• PS3 Hacks, Uncategorized , 25.02.2009

    Demonhades has claimed to have decypted the Playstation3 hard drive.

    To quote from his website (translated to English):

    Well, to give more details:

    The key is 512 bytes

    it’s a sha1-4096 (512bytes by sector)

    the key is xored

    To be clear it wasn’t a simple xor how some are speculating…

    (we have already located a self)

    Still no mention if it can be reproduce on all PS3′s or not
    Or even how to accomplish it




    This is definitely interesting and very good news we will be keeping eyes on.

    [VIA DemonHades.org]

    UPDATE: We have confirmation that this decryption was done on a RETAIL PS3 (not Test/Debug)

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  • 54 Comments

    1. NeoSabin
      02-25-2009
      04:03 PM
      2

      Pic from Demonhades.org

      Translation:
      As you can see, the route not only of redirection(like i said many times)
      but also the certificates of authentication and validation along with the PS3 Game Key



      Interesting

      **Edit**
      Just asked DemonHades and he said it was done on retail.

    2. homedog
      02-25-2009
      04:19 PM
      3

      i hope this will lead to something, or streetskaterfu? please answer :D

    3. Pockets69
      02-25-2009
      05:58 PM
      4

      finally some decryption done without the damn test ps3...
      thank god great news. Lets see where this leads.

    4. SniperSnake
      02-25-2009
      07:46 PM
      5

      Originally Posted by Pockets69 View Post
      finally some decryption done without the damn test ps3...
      thank god great news. Lets see where this leads.
      how do you know the decryption wasn't done with a test/debug ps3?
      i wonder if they used a retail ps3 in otheros mode, or if they had the ps3 formatted hdd hooked up to a pc...???we will just just have to wait and see how this all unfolds...

      now here is something im interested in, i believe some of the ps3's firmware is on the hdd, and if so can this decryption see those files, and possably edit them....

      edit** i didnt see neos edit lol sorry

    5. Sublimewulf
      02-25-2009
      08:53 PM
      6

      This is FANTASTIC, some real progress. I cant wait to hear more.

      p.s. Not digging the new layout for posts


      *EDIT*
      nvm, it looks normal after you go to the actual thread...

    6. Pockets69
      02-25-2009
      09:09 PM
      7

      Originally Posted by SniperSnake View Post
      how do you know the decryption wasn't done with a test/debug ps3?
      i wonder if they used a retail ps3 in otheros mode, or if they had the ps3 formatted hdd hooked up to a pc...???we will just just have to wait and see how this all unfolds...

      now here is something im interested in, i believe some of the ps3's firmware is on the hdd, and if so can this decryption see those files, and possably edit them....

      edit** i didnt see neos edit lol sorry
      no problem. the sad part of this is that this will bring more questions than answers i think... still its giant step, being able to see whats inside the hdd is always good, maybe a similar methood can be used, so that the nand can be decrypted... it would be nice to have demonhades in here to clarify some stuff...

    7. Tcraw77813
      02-25-2009
      09:23 PM
      8

      This is a great step forward. I hope that this can lead to some even greater finds.

    8. thon0925
      02-25-2009
      09:30 PM
      9

      I wonder if this could allow me to pull service mode files off of my PS3. I heard the service mode jig may copy files to the HDD when it installs the testing FW, so it may be possible (since the HDD is unusable once the FW is installed) to pull files off of it now.

    9. portals94
      02-26-2009
      01:38 AM
      10

      It's 100% true?

    10. chidesd
      02-26-2009
      06:47 AM
      11

      wow this is amazing.

    11. MIDASA
      02-26-2009
      09:50 AM
      12

      Yeah...but well...is there a chance we can find an exploit on the HDD?

    12. Pockets69
      02-26-2009
      10:10 AM
      13

      Originally Posted by thon0925 View Post
      I wonder if this could allow me to pull service mode files off of my PS3. I heard the service mode jig may copy files to the HDD when it installs the testing FW, so it may be possible (since the HDD is unusable once the FW is installed) to pull files off of it now.
      Yeah that is a great idea in theory yes it is possible... but doing it is harder alot of hurdles to pass... we can only see whats inside the hdd not "play" around with it yet... still i think its feaseble.

    13. dasda_
      02-26-2009
      12:16 PM
      14

      Could someone find me the original message? The English translation makes absolutely no sense at all.

    14. Pockets69
      02-26-2009
      03:05 PM
      15

      what original msg? (if you post it i can translate it)

      So for what i gathered, from the thread at demonhades.org, they have managed to decrypt essential files that were in hd (files that previously were in the flash but sony dicided to install them in HD cause we already had flash acess)...

      What remains to be seen is... will we be able to modify the contents of the hdd? cause if we do a new window can be oppened... when we update our machine, the update pup writes all files to the hdd first, then the installation proceeds, and the files are installed in the hdd and in the flash... so the pup is signed and cannot be modified, but once its extracted and if we managed to have acess (and modify) the extracted files we could replace for our own files or even debug ones to have a full debug working (of course there must be no more checks) or else it won't work... but its a good theory

    15. Disane
      02-26-2009
      03:19 PM
      16

      what the hell is "NewRodin"?

      also theres a " dev_bdvd " thingie in that Resistance Fall of a Man hex.

      This reminds me on a picture StreetSkaterFU -s dumb of the firmware (i think that was one of the greates development he did).He dumbed the Memory while the machine was booting. There was a similiar dev_bdvd data there.

      Has StreetSkaterFU release those dumbs?

      It would be great if we could compare the dumbed memory and see whats on the HDD.

    16. Pockets69
      02-26-2009
      06:28 PM
      17

      Originally Posted by Disane View Post
      what the hell is "NewRodin"?

      also theres a " dev_bdvd " thingie in that Resistance Fall of a Man hex.

      This reminds me on a picture StreetSkaterFU -s dumb of the firmware (i think that was one of the greates development he did).He dumbed the Memory while the machine was booting. There was a similiar dev_bdvd data there.

      Has StreetSkaterFU release those dumbs?

      It would be great if we could compare the dumbed memory and see whats on the HDD.
      No he didn't he just showed some pics of it never released anything though

    17. the_tom777
      02-26-2009
      08:51 PM
      18

      Could Sony change the encryption in a firmware update?

    18. davidthefat
      02-26-2009
      09:05 PM
      19

      so can he encrypt it back? or just decypt like all the other ps3 stuff that was decrypted?

    19. SCE
      02-26-2009
      09:08 PM
      20

      Originally Posted by the_tom777 View Post
      Could Sony change the encryption in a firmware update?
      Maybe, but it's too late :thefinger:
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Guys, PS3*NEWS is yelling that this is fake Can we trust those *****

    20. MohammadAG
      02-27-2009
      06:24 AM
      21

      Originally Posted by SCE View Post
      Maybe, but it's too late :thefinger:
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Guys, PS3*NEWS is yelling that this is fake Can we trust those *****
      If they're saying this is fake then it's true lol

    21. dasda_
      02-27-2009
      10:09 AM
      22

      The encryption specs are quite faked, that's for sure!

    22. jaasumbra
      02-27-2009
      12:58 PM
      23

      dawn, just got my hopes up for nothing once again...

    23. aries2k
      02-27-2009
      01:30 PM
      24

      Originally Posted by jaasumbra View Post
      dawn, just got my hopes up for nothing once again...
      yep, once again there was alot of deception going on and things were not what they apperared to be. that sucks

    24. tech3475
      02-27-2009
      01:32 PM
      25

      http://www.qj.net/Retail-PS3-HDD-dec.../49/aid/129175

      Why do people bother making up stuff like "we have hacked the PS3"....it serves no purpose at all.

    25. SCE
      02-27-2009
      01:41 PM
      26

      I have read through DemonHades forums. It is not clear if it is fake or not.

      EDIT: For god sake can somebody translate Demonhades and tell us what the heck is going on?

    26. ajpowerranger
      02-27-2009
      02:19 PM
      27

      So its a fake then?

    27. jaasumbra
      02-27-2009
      02:31 PM
      28

      Originally Posted by SCE View Post
      I have read through DemonHades forums. It is not clear if it is fake or not.

      EDIT: For god sake can somebody translate Demonhades and tell us what the heck is going on?
      Not to be a spoil-sport, but as far as I can see, it seems as it is definitive certain a fake.

      Just the sad ****ty facts of the internet...


      I still cross my fingers and hope though...

    28. defeeca
      02-27-2009
      02:53 PM
      29

      very rough translation
      it seems it was raw data which originally were discovered by knightsolidus and then became stolen

    29. NeoSabin
      02-27-2009
      02:55 PM
      30

      lol you guys fail

      It's supposedly not fake they just had a tiff with trusting each other.

    30. ajpowerranger
      02-27-2009
      03:09 PM
      31

      Originally Posted by NeoSabin View Post
      lol you guys fail

      It's supposedly not fake they just had a tiff with trusting each other.
      So now its not fake lol why is nothing ever simple with the ps3!

    31. Ps3Rips
      02-27-2009
      03:25 PM
      32

      Originally Posted by Disane View Post
      what the hell is "NewRodin"?

      also theres a " dev_bdvd " thingie in that Resistance Fall of a Man hex.

      This reminds me on a picture StreetSkaterFU -s dumb of the firmware (i think that was one of the greates development he did).He dumbed the Memory while the machine was booting. There was a similiar dev_bdvd data there.

      Has StreetSkaterFU release those dumbs?

      It would be great if we could compare the dumbed memory and see whats on the HDD.
      I don't think it ever was fake, So its not that its not fake but its that it never was a fake.
      :-)
      The only question about how good a hack is which machine it comes from - TEST/Debug or Retail.
      Only time will tell on that one. I'm guessing like many others that its from Test but lets wait and see.
      If people stop speculating about stuff and just wait then it will stop the rumour mill and keep to facts.

      To answer the questions in the quote above.

      NewRodin is a font typeface made by FrontWorks Japan. - Look at the credits for games like RidgeRacer, Odin Sphere and may other console machines and games.

      Not heard anything from SKFU about this yet but I think he was already very close to being able to read the HDD from ps3 - look at the posts on his forum,
      He has already been posting hdd directories and info for a while now.

    32. ajpowerranger
      02-27-2009
      04:01 PM
      33

      Just tried sending SKFU a message on his site but for some reason it wouldn't let me post. Hope this is real for a chnage

    33. Pirate
      02-27-2009
      04:32 PM
      34

      This method was actually discovered a while ago, but it was never released publicly.
      knightsolidus had actually managed to figure it out on his own how to decrypt the HDD, so obviously it would seem new to him and Demonhades. CJPC/******* did not want this information released so they bribed Demonhades with the PS3 SDK...Demonhades refused and released information on his website. As if this was done on retail or test PS3, it shouldnt matter to be honest because they both are the same (we are not sure which yet though).

      Why ******* is chanting this fake is beyond me (e-fame?).

      Leave it to others to cause drama in the scene.

    34. Ps3Rips
      02-27-2009
      05:26 PM
      35

      The difference between retail machines and test hardware, is that access to system files are operations that can be performed and run is far more limited on retail machines.

      Also most of us own retail machines so access on a test/debug machine is not something that the vast majority can reproduce.

    35. Pirate
      02-27-2009
      06:26 PM
      36

      Originally Posted by Ps3Rips View Post
      The difference between retail machines and test hardware, is that access to system files are operations that can be performed and run is far more limited on retail machines.

      Also most of us own retail machines so access on a test/debug machine is not something that the vast majority can reproduce.
      It can be done on both (no code is being ran), it just takes a long time to do.

    36. H3R3T1C
      02-27-2009
      08:31 PM
      37
    37. Sublimewulf
      02-27-2009
      11:17 PM
      38

      Originally Posted by H3R3T1C View Post
      This has been confirmed fake!
      http://ps3.qj.net/Retail-PS3-HDD-dec.../49/aid/129175
      I'd take that with a grain of salt, their source is *******.com

    38. Disane
      02-28-2009
      04:05 AM
      39

      Thank you Rips for clearing this up for me.

      I`m waiting for SKFUs oppinion on this. How close is he to get past this problem on Retail machines? (you dont have to answer this question guys)

      I can only hope someday we will see...

    39. kimd41
      02-28-2009
      06:38 AM
      40

      Originally Posted by Disane View Post
      Thank you Rips for clearing this up for me.

      I`m waiting for SKFUs oppinion on this. How close is he to get past this problem on Retail machines? (you dont have to answer this question guys)

      I can only hope someday we will see...
      Stop asking SKFU. He doesn't know anything, he won't get to anything. Leave it to the real hackers.

    40. SamS
      02-28-2009
      10:55 AM
      41

      *Crys* Oh well. Time for some binge drinking. Just thought i'd swing on by

    41. jaasumbra
      02-28-2009
      11:54 AM
      42

      Originally Posted by kimd41 View Post
      Stop asking SKFU. He doesn't know anything, he won't get to anything. Leave it to the real hackers.
      lol, and who the **** are you? :aetsch:

    42. Pockets69
      02-28-2009
      10:32 PM
      43

      Guys, guys, plz. Calm down, The info is true, it has indeed been cracked, ******* are labeling it fake but its not a fake, guys be carefull when you are reading from ******* or even qj...
      Its not fake i will repeat it, NOT FAKE...

      Cheers

    43. ajpowerranger
      02-28-2009
      11:34 PM
      44

      Can you prove its not fake? or can anyone prove it is fake? I tend not to get to excited about anything with the ps3 anymore because it never leads anywhere.

    44. MIDASA
      03-01-2009
      05:55 AM
      45

      I hope its not a fake, but we cant do anything but wait for more news.
      If somethin new comes its no fake, If not fake.
      If you read at ******* you have to read with caution.
      so let's just wait^^

    45. Pockets69
      03-01-2009
      02:54 PM
      46

      Originally Posted by ajpowerranger View Post
      Can you prove its not fake? or can anyone prove it is fake? I tend not to get to excited about anything with the ps3 anymore because it never leads anywhere.
      do you want the best proof? ******* says is fake lolol, now seriously most people go to the demonhades board troling in english, and trying to understand what they say, whether using online translators or picking a word here another one there... it won't work you either understand what they say or not...
      I speak spanish, and i can tell you for what i read about there is no fake, there is also alot of furstration because now people are saying that its fake only because ******* said so... demonhades almost lost his mind lolool...

      take it easy guys all will be explained.

    46. SCE
      03-01-2009
      03:22 PM
      47

      For those who want proof or who are not registered to demonhades:

      Here is a little speech between knightsolidus and NDT:

      knightsolidus

      For NDT this file is in the flash!??



      NDT's answer:

      NDT

      I'm really happy to claim that i never saw this before.

      Sure you want source:

      http://www.demonhades.org/conseguido...-t954-120.html

    47. Pockets69
      03-01-2009
      03:58 PM
      48

      and there is no need for translation... see this is not fake for christ sake give them some time...

      thanks SCE

    48. Pirate
      03-01-2009
      09:00 PM
      49

      Tutorial on how to decrypt will follow shortly

    49. Zep24
      03-01-2009
      11:07 PM
      50

      wow really cant wait

    50. SCE
      03-02-2009
      05:33 AM
      51

      And here comes SKFU's opinion:

      HDD Decryption - A few words

      HDD Decryption is the very actual topic in the PS3 Scene, but what do you expect of it? A custom firmware + isoloader and choco cookies? The bad truth is that, this "hack" only removed the HDD layer encryption, but not the file encryption itself. Means: You get a few sprx, rco and xml files, possible a few more types but those are useless unless you can remove the encryption of the file itself. But you can't yet. So the only thing you can do for example is getting the firmware part which is on the HDD. But these are only UNPACKED files, NOT DECRYPTED files. You may be able to replace several firmware files ye, so if replacing some text in the XMB or an icon is a custom firmware for you, have fun with the knowledge that this may brick your PS3 and is useless as hell.

      If you now ask me if this hack is even true, I would say yes. There were several very unknown (but public in some forums) HDD decryption methods in the first PS3 days which worked aswell, so why not on the new firmware...
      Soruce:

      http://streetskaterfu.blogspot.com/2...few-words.html

    51. Pockets69
      03-02-2009
      09:28 AM
      52

      see told you guys :P not fake... still not as useful as we thought, at least thats SKFU's opininion... lets see how this turns up...

    52. NTAuthority
      03-03-2009
      07:24 AM
      53

      I hope this would lead to people discovering the real decryption keys... if they are stored under just the first level of encryption, which I'm sure they aren't.

    53. Pockets69
      03-03-2009
      08:02 AM
      54

      Originally Posted by NTAuthority View Post
      I hope this would lead to people discovering the real decryption keys... if they are stored under just the first level of encryption, which I'm sure they aren't.
      yes they are not stored in the first layer, we don't even know where are the keys, but they are not on the first level surely