• PS3 Hacks , 23.01.2010

    “Hello hypervisor, I’m geohot”.

    Probably the last thing we would expect to see on the PS3, after 3 years it seems legendary iPhone hacker George Hotz (Geohot) has managed to crack the PS3 security in under a month (Geohot was the first person to unlock the iPhone). He has posted on his blog that he has full hypervisor access and read/write access to the entire system memory. He also says that this is not patchable and plans to reveal the method soon. There is still more work to be done according to Geohot.

    Original post:

    I have read/write access to the entire system memory, and HV level access to the processor. In other words, I have hacked the PS3. The rest is just software. And reversing. I have a lot of reversing ahead of me, as I now have dumps of LV0 and LV1. I’ve also dumped the NAND without removing it or a modchip.

    3 years, 2 months, 11 days…thats a pretty secure system

    Took 5 weeks, 3 in Boston, 2 here, very simple hardware cleverly applied, and some not so simple software.

    Shout out to George Kharrat from iPhoneMod Brasil for giving me this PS3 a year and a half ago to hack. Sorry it took me so long :)

    As far as the exploit goes, I’m not revealing it yet. The theory isn’t really patchable, but they can make implementations much harder. Also, for obvious reasons I can’t post dumps. I’m hoping to find the decryption keys and post them, but they may be embedded in hardware. Hopefully keys are setup like the iPhone’s KBAG.

    A lot more to come…follow @geohot on twitter

    Very good news for PS3 hackers who have waited very patiently for this day, and great job Geohot, we will bring you more updates as they are available.

    [VIA]

    UPDATE #1 (1-23-2010):
    [I know some function names...]

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  • 117 Comments

    1. gliitch
      01-22-2010
      07:50 PM
      1

      Could this well be true? :D If so, Yipeeeeee!!! no more slow crappy linux :D.. ok ok .. i mean... **** YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH, im practically salivating at the thought of the possibilities, this will bring. :D

    2. grimlord
      01-22-2010
      08:02 PM
      2

      **** my brains... if this is true then... Hell fckin' yeah, champagne is on me!

    3. David562
      01-22-2010
      08:31 PM
      3

      That guy is famous in the iphone/ipod section and now the PS3 section DAYUM! Nice job Geohot! PROPS TO YOU! :D

    4. weed37
      01-22-2010
      08:46 PM
      4

      Before you all ji**is your pants this is only a start and will take time to figure out how to compress all his gadgets and software into one simple install untill then i recommend you all keep your hands in your pockets

    5. senas78
      01-22-2010
      09:19 PM
      5

      That doesn't change the fact that beast has been slain. :D
      I might just take the hard way and not wait for software. Time to take the solder iron from the 360 and apply it on this beast.

    6. $n!pR
      01-22-2010
      10:26 PM
      6

      Not quite hacked yet, he's only dumped the hv for now...

    7. ShaX5
      01-23-2010
      12:44 AM
      7

      This is great news, now I actually have a reason to buy a PS3.

    8. Spiker
      01-23-2010
      01:10 AM
      8

      Proof please? At least a 'Hello World' would show us like everybody else does on a new hacked piece of technology.

      Don't get me wrong, I believe this guy more than 100%, but there still must be SOMETHING to show...

      Understandable that this is extremely exciting. I about sh@ myself when I read it also. Reversing is going to be the hardest part as well as finding decryption keys and the software needed to run everything correctly through all the hardware.

    9. senas78
      01-23-2010
      01:46 AM
      9

      The PS3 have their security key inside the chip itself. All the checking and decrypting of the firmware occurs on inside one of the spus on boot up. During this isolation mode, nothing can view this process.

    10. Spiker
      01-23-2010
      01:58 AM
      10

      Nice copying what Alin Amasan says.

      Even if they are hidden in the chips, if you have the decryption codes, you can access and read while it's in that mode. You just have to sneak in there and catch them in so called terms

    11. David562
      01-23-2010
      02:52 AM
      11

      Originally Posted by Spiker View Post
      Proof please? At least a 'Hello World' would show us like everybody else does on a new hacked piece of technology.

      Don't get me wrong, I believe this guy more than 100%, but there still must be SOMETHING to show...

      Understandable that this is extremely exciting. I about sh@ myself when I read it also. Reversing is going to be the hardest part as well as finding decryption keys and the software needed to run everything correctly through all the hardware.
      That would give Sony a chance to fix that exploit.... NO THANK YOU!

    12. senas78
      01-23-2010
      03:44 AM
      12

      Originally Posted by Spiker View Post
      Nice copying what Alin Amasan says.

      Even if they are hidden in the chips, if you have the decryption codes, you can access and read while it's in that mode. You just have to sneak in there and catch them in so called terms
      Ohh? Do I need to quote myself? :D. Now if he has full control over the CPU and all of ram, memory ranges as well, including I/O hardware etc. That would mean post firmware lockout stage. :P

    13. Spiker
      01-23-2010
      05:42 AM
      13

      Originally Posted by David562 View Post
      That would give Sony a chance to fix that exploit.... NO THANK YOU!
      Do you even know what 'Hello World' is? It shows that there is unsigned code running, nothing that shows where, how, or when it is ran. That is what i was meaning.

      I know this will take awhile to do, but I'm still gonna be looking for it cuz thast's the ultimate proof for homebrew and a hacked system.

      Also, can we not fight about this for crying out loud. We are turning into ******* with all the fighting and stuff. Let's all get along cuz we are all here for the same reason. Okay?

    14. senas78
      01-23-2010
      05:50 AM
      14

      Originally Posted by Spiker View Post
      Do you even know what 'Hello World' is? It shows that there is unsigned code running, nothing that shows where, how, or when it is ran. That is what i was meaning.

      I know this will take awhile to do, but I'm still gonna be looking for it cuz thast's the ultimate proof for homebrew and a hacked system.

      Also, can we not fight about this for crying out loud. We are turning into ******* with all the fighting and stuff. Let's all get along cuz we are all here for the same reason. Okay?
      Agreed. And I hope he doesn't in any way have anything to do with those ******* guys.. somethin not right about them.

    15. ginjaninja88
      01-23-2010
      06:29 AM
      15

      bet sony is preparing a new firmware update right now

    16. NeoSabin
      01-23-2010
      09:00 AM
      16

      Originally Posted by Spiker View Post
      Also, can we not fight about this for crying out loud. We are turning into ******* with all the fighting and stuff. Let's all get along cuz we are all here for the same reason. Okay?
      Nice copying NeoSabin...


      Good to hear the news and hope to see what comes out of it all

    17. Disane
      01-23-2010
      09:01 AM
      17

      Don't think they can do anything about this atm. We are not even sure if we can do anything with Geohot's findings. He also mentioned that Sony can't really patch it ,but maybe update the hardware later on when introducing new models. Anyway i think Geohot will need more people involved when it comes to analyzing the dumbs he made.

    18. Zep24
      01-23-2010
      10:17 AM
      18

      was funny telling Greg the news lolz.. poor guy.. but this is great news, and i hope to see more information in the next coming days, not about the exploit itself. but more one the lines of where are we now, what has to be done, and the future of the ps3. im hoping for homebew, and great apps, full linux support. so many great things to come..

    19. GregoryRasputin
      01-23-2010
      10:23 AM
      19

      Originally Posted by Zep24 View Post
      was funny telling Greg the news lolz.. poor guy
      You've a weird sence of humour, i dont care either way, also everyone is getting all exited, where is the proof ?

    20. Phair
      01-23-2010
      10:52 AM
      20

      geohotz is 100% trustworthy, he is very known in the iphone scene.

    21. Zep24
      01-23-2010
      11:12 AM
      21

      your always the one that has to say, things are not true etc greg.. do you really think geohot would acutely bs with anyone, with the reputation he has. The things this guys has done.

      i dont think so.. i think u need to start be leaving things and learn when to say something and when to step back.. you always have a negative attitude bout many subjects.. :P. try to act positive, u mind find it feels good.

      And if u want proof i would wait.

    22. $n!pR
      01-23-2010
      11:19 AM
      22

      Originally Posted by Zep24 View Post
      your always the one that has to say, things are not true etc greg.. do you really think geohot would acutely bs with anyone, with the reputation he has. The things this guys has done.

      i dont think so.. i think u need to start be leaving things and learn when to say something and when to step back.. you always have a negative attitude bout many subjects.. :P. try to act positive, u mind find it feels good.

      And if u want proof i would wait.
      He's just grumpy cause he looks like the sasquatch.

    23. GregoryRasputin
      01-23-2010
      11:48 AM
      23

      Originally Posted by Zep24 View Post
      your always the one that has to say, things are not true etc greg.. do you really think geohot would acutely bs with anyone, with the reputation he has. The things this guys has done.
      lol i remember you helping Spiker out with his "hacking the PS3", you thought he had a good reputation, look how that turned out
      Before you say it Spiker, im not attacking you.

      Anyhow, if Gehotz has hacked the PS3, well done to him, i will have egg on my face as i did with the open remote play thing, everything else i have said is fake, has been fake, if i get 2 things wrong out of hundreds of fakes, so what


      Originally Posted by $n!pR View Post
      He's just grumpy cause he looks like the sasquatch.
      You know im a damn sexy sasquatch.

    24. GregoryRasputin
      01-23-2010
      12:46 PM
      24

      Well done George Hotz

    25. grimlord
      01-23-2010
      12:46 PM
      25

      Now we're just waiting for some kind of proof and more news. But I have a feeling this is a real deal.
      P.S. this news is from yesterday, speed up the news on this topic a bit in the future pls. :D

    26. Pirate
      01-23-2010
      01:06 PM
      26

      [Threads Merged]

    27. fungusfeet
      01-23-2010
      01:50 PM
      27

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      everything else i have said is fake, has been fake, if i get 2 things wrong out of hundreds of fakes, so what
      Is there a prize for calling the most things correctly?

      Just about everything has been fake for the PS3 so denouncing everything as a fake is a pretty safe bet you'll have a high percentage of "I told you so"s...well done you.

    28. GregoryRasputin
      01-23-2010
      01:51 PM
      28

      Originally Posted by fungusfeet View Post
      Is there a prize for calling the most things correctly?

      Just about everything has been fake for the PS3 so denouncing everything as a fake is a pretty safe bet you'll have a high percentage of "I told you so"s...well done you.
      Your point being ?

    29. Spiker
      01-23-2010
      03:13 PM
      29

      As an old english teacher said, "123 Friends".

      I don't think Gregory is saying he is fake, but he feels the same as I do. How are we 100% SURE that this is true, and we believe him, but with all the good reputable people that have come out with something, nothing has been true. The only real proof that we can get is proof itself that we can't debunk. I mean, look at my video's. You can even SEE the d4mn tape. If this guys comes out with a video about hacking the PS3 and it is legit where nobody can debunk it, we have a real hacker.

      I'm not saying Geohot is a fake, but there still needs to be proof, ya know?

    30. NeoSabin
      01-23-2010
      03:14 PM
      30

      I Have Proof that it's not fake right here Link has been removed
      and can we stop the bickering please, it gets redundant after so many times over the years... Wait for the good word to be released and to able to play with and code some homebrew yourself.

      Originally Posted by Spiker View Post
      If this guys comes out with a video about hacking the PS3 and it is legit where nobody can debunk it, we have a real hacker.
      Pretty hard to believe in videos with software nowadays...


      Mods please merge my posts

    31. DNAM
      01-23-2010
      05:22 PM
      31

      did u guys see what this guy did before he took on the ps3
      i have a good feeling about this

    32. Grock
      01-23-2010
      05:47 PM
      32

      Am I right in thinking that Matheiulh (sry if its spelt wrong), had a hand at this accomplishment by pointing Geo in the right direction?

      Also, I've been wanting to say this for ages..

      NOT fake! xD!!!!!

    33. fabiosimoes
      01-23-2010
      06:20 PM
      33

      Well done sir, keep up the great work :D
      and
      Thanks

    34. pcmacro
      01-23-2010
      07:14 PM
      34

      Originally Posted by NeoSabin View Post
      I Have Proof that it's not fake right here Link has been removed
      and can we stop the bickering please, it gets redundant after so many times over the years... Wait for the good word to be released and to able to play with and code some homebrew yourself.



      Pretty hard to believe in videos with software nowadays...


      Mods please merge my posts
      why was the link removed?

      btw I think it is proof enough that it is real considering it is from GeoHot. The dude does not bull****. Is the blog site really his? if yes then yes it is real.

    35. Judgement
      01-23-2010
      07:18 PM
      35

      Im kind of with greg here, scepticism is necessary even though he has a extremely well known reputation.

      You don't propose a theory without evidence.

      Anyway, props to GeoHotz for being awesome.

    36. David562
      01-23-2010
      07:36 PM
      36

      Originally Posted by Spiker View Post
      Do you even know what 'Hello World' is? It shows that there is unsigned code running, nothing that shows where, how, or when it is ran. That is what i was meaning.

      I know this will take awhile to do, but I'm still gonna be looking for it cuz thast's the ultimate proof for homebrew and a hacked system.

      Also, can we not fight about this for crying out loud. We are turning into ******* with all the fighting and stuff. Let's all get along cuz we are all here for the same reason. Okay?
      Seriously...? -_- DUR I know what it is... It's depending on how he does it... If he does it in some wrong way, Sony may make it harder... So no video is always a plus... -_-

    37. elvezisdead
      01-23-2010
      09:36 PM
      37

      stop *****ing. it's geohot. it's hacked. first with the iphone @ 17 and now the PS3 @ 20.

      Kid's a Genius.

    38. Pirate
      01-24-2010
      12:44 AM
      38

      Update: Saturday, January 23, 2010

      I know some function names...
      And now if calls have restrictions I don't like, I zap them.



      Function names were previously known/recorded here, so is nothing really new.

      [VIA]

    39. hen555
      01-24-2010
      01:03 AM
      39

      Geohot is seriously the coolest guy.

      He is going to be one of thoose legondary consol hackers
      up there with
      Dark Alex
      C4ever
      and now finally
      Geohot.


      Geohot is also seen on tv and everyone knows what he looks like, he is young and not afraid...young and intellegent.

      If I ever do get extra cash, i will surely donate to this guy if he reall did hack the ps3.

      Also i dont know how he did it in under a month

      when ppl have been working on the ps3 for years... those guys must be pissed lmao.

    40. Krovel
      01-24-2010
      02:19 AM
      40

      Well, I've been checking haxnetwork almost every 2 days since... quite a while now, and no other news made me smile like this one. When everyone's hope whas about to fade away, Geohot made it burn like hell xD I just hope this make us able to put some homebrew in our consoles, and make us glad that we didn't bought that GayBox 360 ...

      Could he be the one that make so many thousands of people happy, plus all the ones that he already made with Iphone unlocking?

      Hell, he made me see some light at the end of the tunnel!

    41. levendi2nv
      01-24-2010
      02:30 AM
      41

      il def donate to this guy when i get some spare cashhiee

    42. denero1
      01-24-2010
      03:42 AM
      42

      lol yeh greg has been right a few times lmao n most have turned out to be scams

    43. SamS
      01-24-2010
      05:55 AM
      43

      Wait hold on one second...



      Now that thats over with. George come here for a big gay sloppy kiss

    44. Dark.30oN
      01-24-2010
      06:05 AM
      44

      I'm curious whether this hack will also work for the Slim Version.

    45. spec8320
      01-24-2010
      06:11 AM
      45

      for me it's to beautiful to be true

    46. jaasumbra
      01-24-2010
      06:52 AM
      46

      This does look promising indeed. But as there is still a long way and yet a lot to do, I wouldn't get my hopes up too much. just because Geohot has HV access, doesn't mean that stuff still can't go wrong.

      I'm just going to chill, lean back, and let the pro's do their work. Hopefully within a few months, we will all be able to run homebrew fingers crossed...

      Props out to Geohot you hot sexy man

    47. spec8320
      01-24-2010
      07:36 AM
      47

      hmm I'am interested in what software version he do it I have the newes like probably 90% people on this forum and I'm afraid that will be some problems likne in PSP

    48. Disane
      01-24-2010
      10:06 AM
      48

      As it was mentioned ,there's nothing released yet. Therefor regardless of what HW you have you can't run this. I don't wanna go into wild speculations but i think he has a 40 GB older phat PS3 with linux installed. So its easier for him to communicate with the system. A guy on Geohot's blog mentioned that Geohot has a FPGA connected to the SIP and that's all we know about this hack.

      Don't think i wanna try it out. Looks pretty risky...

      btw i think pstrinews are trying to make big money out of this finding by blocking users who have AD-Block. Don't think i ever wanna visit their site again...

    49. gliitch
      01-24-2010
      11:08 AM
      49

      I cant wait to be able to delete all the crap(facebook,picture library,home)that sony puts on the beautiful machine :D Seriously though, this machine in a few months- perhaps a year will be a fully unlocked god umoung consoles :D Bring on the homebrew :D i'll actually help to develop for this too ^-^

    50. Disane
      01-24-2010
      11:29 AM
      50

      Originally Posted by gliitch View Post
      I cant wait to be able to delete all the crap(facebook,picture library,home)that sony puts on the beautiful machine :D Seriously though, this machine in a few months- perhaps a year will be a fully unlocked god umoung consoles :D Bring on the homebrew :D i'll actually help to develop for this too ^-^
      hehe i see ,im studying what ps2devs have found out about the PS3 on linux. LPAR ,and some of the lv1 instructions that were mentioned today. Wonder what are the lv0 instructions or lv2 ...

    51. gliitch
      01-24-2010
      11:38 AM
      51

      Im not too techinal with the ps3's innards(nor of the HV eaither), but im a fast learner. Im quite well versed in linux though, which seems to be a good thing heh. Now, that we have unrestricted access to the HV thanks to geohot, it's just a matter of time untill we have our own programs running. im aware it will be a mamoth task, this is just the tip of the iceburg, but im sure all the devs will pitch in on this. Is there only 2 LV's of the HV or are there more ?: \

    52. Pirate
      01-24-2010
      12:47 PM
      52

      A reply by GeoHot on his blog:

      You can't expect to know everything and dump every piece of code. This hack is enough for homebrew, full linux, and even backups.

    53. gliitch
      01-24-2010
      01:01 PM
      53

      :D Fantastic :D Woohoooooo!!!!

    54. kAs1m
      01-24-2010
      02:22 PM
      54

      Originally Posted by Pirate View Post
      A reply by GeoHot on his blog:
      Then cake is not a lie?
      I don't think so...
      Why he posted some hypervisor's functions? It's been released already: http://wiki.ps2dev.org/ps3:hypervisor
      Or it's just some piece of my paranoia...

      PS
      Sry for trying to speak on yours language, please don't hurt me badly if you see some kind of mistakes.

    55. XeroFlo
      01-24-2010
      03:20 PM
      55

      I'm sure this is legit, as 90% of the people in this world do too. Guess we have to wait to see what he says next

    56. Zeruth
      01-24-2010
      03:45 PM
      56

      Hey guys, I've been around as long as some of the administrators but i very rarely make a post because I'm the type to watch **** happen. I do not get hyped up, I do not get disappointed. The only thing I have to say is I'm tired of hearing the bickering about wether or not hacks are true or fake. Noone knows except the one who has made it.

      Let me give you folks one example. Tiger Woods. It doesnt matter how reputable you are, just remember, the bigger you are, the harder you fall

      But I do trust Geohot, because my iphone is oh so wonderful now.

      I just want forums to be filled with less drama. nuff said

    57. Qraze1
      01-24-2010
      03:55 PM
      57

      this guy is something entirely else. he ain't no hacker, he's a genius and absolutely the stuff legends are made of. it may take some time but in about 2-3 months i expect the scene to explode with homebrew.

    58. jaasumbra
      01-24-2010
      03:56 PM
      58

      For anyone that wants to understand the different levels lvl1 lvl2 etc. Mathiuelh explained a little about what each level does some time back. It can be read here: http://www.haxnetwork.net/showpost.p...2&postcount=18

    59. Disane
      01-24-2010
      04:27 PM
      59

      Here's what Mathieulh said:

      About replacing the hv (lv1) of course you can't do it, you would need a code to flash it, this code would need to be signed (in order to run), then the hypervisor data would also have to be signed (otherwise lv1ldr wont start it (lv1ldr also needs to be signed in case you are wondering))
      I'm guessing this is where all the magic happens. GeoHot claims that he can R/W LV0 (loads LV1 ,does LV0 have any instructions like LV1 has?) and LV1 (Loads LV2 the GameOS ???). He managed to trick the PS3 to load his code which is impressive indeed (LV1 needs to verify that hes the real LV1). This means GeoHot should be able to trick the system to gain access to the isolated SPE that has the codes we need.

      I keep my fingers crossed

    60. gliitch
      01-24-2010
      10:03 PM
      60

      So, we are all waiting on him to crack the 8th SPE? ...then we have can have our unlocked ps3's? :D .. i know that sounds simple in text, but man the amount of pressure this guy has on him to pull this off must be unimaginable...

    61. Qraze1
      01-24-2010
      10:23 PM
      61

      i got a feeling he's down for the challenge and won't give up so easily. he's already at the backdoor finding the front door key. this man is no joke and it shows.

      he needs a movie made about him.

    62. Spiker
      01-24-2010
      11:16 PM
      62

      In what LV are all the security checks? Is it LV1?

      Also, if somebody could tell everybody what LV1, LV0, LV2, HV, RAM, and LPAR is. I'm not 100% sure on what they all are.

      For instance, what runs first, second, third, fourth and so on.

    63. SniperSnake
      01-25-2010
      05:33 AM
      63

      maybe now i can FINALLLLLLLLLY use my extra 1.10fw launch 60gb ps3 ive been hording ever since i got the dam thing at launch $650.00 investment that finally pays off...

      i think there is ALOT of behind the scenes action going on right now, we have the underground ps3 legit hackers in contact with geohot, we have sony probably tripping ballz thinking OMG we ****ed up again, and everyone waiting to see this all pans out. there will be rioting in the streets mark my word

    64. levendi2nv
      01-25-2010
      08:20 AM
      64

      playstation havent f**kd up considering the consoles security did last 3 years, it wasnt inpenetrable seeing as how geohot cracked it in 5 weeks BUT looks like sony played their cards right till now and i believe in 3-5 months time this whole forum will be filled with homebrew developers releasing great additions to our ps3s to makez them a 100 times better i mean yeah sure sony did a good job but having homebrew oh my god how that feels great

    65. Gorgatron
      01-25-2010
      08:42 AM
      65

      I hope that this means we can finally get full hardware access in Linux. If that's invisible to the firmware, then we can have a great homebrew device without getting cut off from PSN.

    66. Spiker
      01-25-2010
      08:56 AM
      66

      If we can get full linux, there really won't need to be a need for computer's in the household other than user friendly Windows. With the power of the PS3 with Linux, can you imagine the processing power that will come out of that? Cracking passwords and hash code in days maybe hours.

      Technically WINE will run EXTREMELY fast which mean's Windows will even be on the PS3. If all this hacking info is real and legit, we are in over our heads a little bit. xD

    67. Gorgatron
      01-25-2010
      09:02 AM
      67

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but Wine won't run on the PS3's architecture.

      Like you said though, I'm sure a lot of those scientists using beowulf clusters of ps3s as a cheap supercomputer will be happy to have more power available to them.

    68. $n!pR
      01-25-2010
      09:24 AM
      68

      Originally Posted by Spiker View Post
      In what LV are all the security checks? Is it LV1?

      Also, if somebody could tell everybody what LV1, LV0, LV2, HV, RAM, and LPAR is. I'm not 100% sure on what they all are.

      For instance, what runs first, second, third, fourth and so on.
      LV0 loads lv1ldr, which loads lv1.self (the Hypervisor). Then depending on the system to be booted, loads the proper Hypervisor policy as well as the lv2loader for the GameOS. The LV2 Kernel is then loaded, which is hash checked (which means we can't change it - its also encrypted too). From there, the rest of the system is brought up. LPAR stands for logical partition and is mainly used in IBM mainframes. It basically splits the processor, memory, and storage into multiple sets of resources so that each set of resources can be operated independently.

    69. devinger
      01-25-2010
      09:59 AM
      69

      sony is investigating the hack (via http://www.incgamers.com/News/20648/...ck-allegations)

      sony has revealed it is investigating allegations that the PS3 has been hacked.

      Earlier today, we reported how George Hotz, the iPhone 2G hacker, claims to have gained access to the PS3’s system memory and processor which, if true, may have profound piracy implications for Sony.

      We contacted Sony on the issue and a spokesperson confirmed that the company is looking in to the issue.

      "We are investigating the report and will clarify the situation once we have more information," said the statement.
      hope it will not effect geohot his work

    70. provo
      01-25-2010
      10:38 AM
      70

      I am sure Geohot is busy at it right now but I am concerned that due to the heat this issue is bringing onto him it might just end up where they get to him before anymore information is leaked out. This why at times it's best to either hold off and release the complete details when 100% is decyphered then to release small bytes of info and create a stur once all of the info and how is released is kinda of hard to shut it down. We shall see how it plays out and I wish Geohot all the best and luck but on sony's end I bet they are already tracing down the source.

    71. Disane
      01-25-2010
      10:39 AM
      71

      Originally Posted by devinger View Post
      sony is investigating the hack (via http://www.incgamers.com/News/20648/...ck-allegations)



      hope it will not effect geohot his work
      Yeah just read that. Now we need to buy a plane ticket to a 3rd world country ,a passport and false ID card for the poor guy :-(

      Seriously ,what can they do to him ? They can't really send him to jail just because hes messing with his own device or maybe I'm just completely wrong ?

    72. provo
      01-25-2010
      10:50 AM
      72

      Originally Posted by Disane View Post
      Yeah just read that. Now we need to buy a plane ticket to a 3rd world country ,a passport and false ID card for the poor guy :-(

      Seriously ,what can they do to him ? They can't really send him to jail just because hes messing with his own device or maybe I'm just completely wrong ?
      Well yes and no know my understanding of the DMCA act is that once the encryption security method is compromised you just broke law due to now
      being able to reproduce digitial copy of a copyrighted material. In this case
      ISO Backups is one count
      and the security keys that enable secure access to copyrighted material.

      but hey I am no expert at this so I can be wrong about it just my opinion and thoughts.

      I don't think he can be sued for hacking his own equipment in this case his own ps3

      but it can go down several ways
      they sue him anyway
      they pay him a large considerable amount to shut him up
      or sony just dismisses the claims and pretends that it has not been hacked when in fact it has been so it's just a cover up until he fully releases the details of his findings.

    73. gliitch
      01-25-2010
      11:16 AM
      73

      I read somewhere on Digg, i think that some dood, did infact get arrested for mucking around with his PS2 : \ I sure hope nothing happens to him though, but now the news is wide spread, perhaps he should of kept it a secret for a while longer, ie running unsigned code, because now the news has spread like wildfire over the internet. Best of luck to mr Geo ^_^. just as provo said, I also think sony will eaither be quiet for now, or even maybe hire him? .. would that be possible?

    74. provo
      01-25-2010
      11:33 AM
      74

      Originally Posted by gliitch View Post
      I read somewhere on Digg, i think that some dood, did infact get arrested for mucking around with his PS2 : \ I sure hope nothing happens to him though, but now the news is wide spread, perhaps he should of kept it a secret for a while longer, ie running unsigned code, because now the news has spread like wildfire over the internet. Best of luck to mr Geo ^_^. just as provo said, I also think sony will eaither be quiet for now, or even maybe hire him? .. would that be possible?
      Anything is possible but what I am saying is we all need to wait up a bit and not run out to bestbuy or newegg and purchase that bd burner yet. You know all the OMG OMG OMG kiddies have already jumped the gun and over hyped it.

      Nothing has changed yet so continue about your bizz and go get grand turismo at launch :-) pick up the logitech g27 steering wheel while your at it. <<<Looking forward to it.

    75. hen555
      01-25-2010
      11:44 AM
      75

      What if Sony offers him a job for encrypting and securing systems. Geohot would prolly take the job than make 0 money and give away his hack.

      I mean I know its bad for us but look at it in his point of view.
      Wouldnt you take the money or job ? or be charged or put in jail.

      Dam if only Geohot didnt reveal himself lol.

      I dont know what he will do but maybe he can work for sony and open some holes for us. Tell an outside person about it and then we can get it hacked + he will get money.

      anyways only time can tell .

    76. Disane
      01-25-2010
      12:10 PM
      76

      Here is what GeoHot said earlier today:

      the stupid hypervisor is PPC and C++
      if it were C and ARM, maybe i'd have a public sw exploit already.
      pff ,any idea what PPC is ? C++ sounds great

    77. GregoryRasputin
      01-25-2010
      12:18 PM
      77

      Originally Posted by Disane View Post
      any idea what PPC is ?
      PPC = PowerPC

    78. gliitch
      01-25-2010
      12:20 PM
      78

      Originally Posted by provo View Post
      Anything is possible but what I am saying is we all need to wait up a bit and not run out to bestbuy or newegg and purchase that bd burner yet. You know all the OMG OMG OMG kiddies have already jumped the gun and over hyped it.

      Nothing has changed yet so continue about your bizz and go get grand turismo at launch :-) pick up the logitech g27 steering wheel while your at it. <<<Looking forward to it.
      I was talking to Grimlord the otherday, as i announced that the ps3 was hacked, he was was over the moon, i said i was also saddened by it (dont ask why XD)
      I would be more than happy to support the game developers, and buy the games, rip them and play the ISO's rather than wait hours downloading what may be a hoax and some of my download gone. I was happy about it, but ive also been reading that Geo is at the castle gates of the ps3, the Hypervisor is just the moat, now that he's bypassed that, he still has a long way to go. We've waited 3 years 11 days and whatever on what may never of come true, so waiting a bit longer wont hurt, we here at HAXNETWORK are a patient bunch of hackers. ^-^

    79. Zeruth
      01-25-2010
      12:55 PM
      79

      Originally Posted by gliitch View Post
      we here at HAXNETWORK are a patient bunch of hackers. ^-^
      To be honest, the vast majority of us arent hackers (90% at least), the rest of us are just good instruction followers from hack makers

    80. provo
      01-25-2010
      01:11 PM
      80

      We aren't hackers we are just script kiddies who follow other leader's work and instructions we are merely deciples of the true ones.

      A true hacker is the one who actually creates the hack for us to follow

    81. gliitch
      01-25-2010
      01:58 PM
      81

      ...you both got me there.. ^-^ but im sure we can go on to do great things too :D

    82. GregoryRasputin
      01-25-2010
      02:32 PM
      82

      Its made the BBC News
      They have claimed that George Hotz spoke to them.



      A US hacker who gained notoriety for unlocking Apple's iPhone as a teenager has told BBC News that he has now hacked Sony's PlayStation 3 (PS3).

      George Hotz said the hack, which could allow people to run pirated games or homemade software, took him five weeks.

      He said he was still refining the technique but intended to post full details online soon.

      The PS3 is the only games console that has not been hacked, despite being on the market for three years.

      "It's supposed to be unhackable - but nothing is unhackable," Mr Hotz told BBC News.

      "I can now do whatever I want with the system. It's like I've got an awesome new power - I'm just not sure how to wield it."

      Sony said it was "investigating the report" and would "clarify the situation" when it had more information.

      'Open curiosity'

      Mr Hotz said that he had begun the hack last summer when he had spent three weeks analysing the hardware.

      After a long break, he spent a further two weeks cracking the console, which he described as a "very secure system".

      He said that he was not yet ready to reveal the full details of the hack but said that it was "5% hardware and 95% software".

      "You can use hardware to inject an insecurity and then you can build on that," he said.

      He admitted that he had not managed to hack the whole system, including the protected memory, but had worked out ways to trick the console into doing what he wanted.

      Mr Hotz said that he was continuing to work on the hack and, once finished, would publish details online in a similar way to his previous iPhone exploits.

      In particular, he said, he would publish details of the console's "root key", a master code that once known would make it easier for others to decipher and hack other security features on the console.

      He said his motivation was "curiosity" and "opening up the platform".

      "To tell you the truth, I've never really played a PS3," he said. "I have one game, but I've never really played it."

      Opening the system could allow people to install other operating systems on their console and play homemade games, he said.

      In addition, he said, the hack would allow people to play older PS2 games on their consoles.

      Recent versions of the PS3 do not have the ability to play PS2 games after Sony controversially removed a piece of hardware.

      He admitted that it could also allow people to run pirated games.

      "I'm not going to personally have anything to do with that," he told BBC News.

      Gaming firms do not take the issue of game piracy and console modification lightly. Recently, Microsoft disconnected thousands of gamers from its online gaming service Xbox Live for modifying their consoles to play pirated games.

      Mr Hotz said that the nature of his PS3 hack means that Sony may have difficulty patching the exploit.

      "We are investigating the report and will clarify the situation once we have more information," said a Sony spokesman.

      Mr Hotz rose to fame in 2007 at the age of 17 when he unlocked the iPhone, which could only be used on the AT&T network in the US at launch.

      The hack allowed the popular handset to be used on any network.

      He has since released various other hacks, allowing people to unlock later versions of the popular handset.
      Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8478764.stm

    83. provo
      01-25-2010
      02:43 PM
      83

      I think it's now fair to say that the chance of his findings coming to light are now at a stagering %5 chance. :musicus: The publicity is what is going to lead him into trouble <<FBI Field office wants to talk to you. What is this about hacking the ps3 <<Refresh my memory again
      Dont play games with me we need you to voluntary come down to speak with us

    84. The King
      01-25-2010
      03:06 PM
      84

      yes hacker and finallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ps3 is hacked ... these news is great very very great .

    85. nOT
      01-25-2010
      03:14 PM
      85

      This is entertaining. Now that the existence of what may be the first true PS3 hack has become recognised by many reliable media and news websites all over the world, a mass amount of people are definitely going to be overhyped by the whole thing.

      What will be the outcome of this? Will Sony manage to stop the most-known hacker from releasing his findings onto the Internet? Will Geohost actually release his findings before Sony does something about him? What if his findings turned out to be not expected? We will have to see, shall we?

      /popcorns

    86. Pirate
      01-25-2010
      03:50 PM
      86

      Originally Posted by nOT View Post
      What will be the outcome of this? Will Sony manage to stop the most-known hacker from releasing his findings onto the Internet? Will Geohost actually release his findings before Sony does something about him? What if his findings turned out to be not expected? We will have to see, shall we?

      /popcorns
      "Stay tuned for the next episode of Dragon Ball Z..."

    87. brarei200
      01-25-2010
      04:34 PM
      87

      Dude's a genius, In Yo Face Sony.

    88. Disane
      01-25-2010
      05:19 PM
      88

      George Hоtz said...

      I'm quitting, because it's impossible to hack ps3
      January 25, 2010 3:00 PM

      ah come on your just too tired mate ,call it a day and go to sleep

      Looks like the guy was fake ,look at his ID ,hes not George "GeoHot" Hotz. Huh i couldnt breath for a minute.

    89. devinger
      01-25-2010
      05:35 PM
      89

      Originally Posted by Disane View Post
      George Hоtz said...


      January 25, 2010 3:00 PM

      ah come on your just too tired mate ,call it a day and go to sleep

      Looks like the guy was fake ,look at his ID ,hes not George "GeoHot" Hotz. Huh i couldnt breath for a minute.
      so you red my reply there:P

    90. GregoryRasputin
      01-25-2010
      05:38 PM
      90

      Seems he is getting annoyed by people posting.

      George Hotz said...

      Seriously, with all the noobs posting here, selling out sounds like a reasonable plan.

      This is quickly getting worse than the iPhone scene.
      January 25, 2010 4:58 PM

    91. Spiker
      01-25-2010
      06:25 PM
      91

      Originally Posted by Geohot
      People have been hacking video game systems for a long time, back to Bunnie and the Xbox. If I am hit with a lawsuit, I will fight it. I have not, nor do I plan to, circumvent any DRM, which is what the DMCA targets. Get your facts straight. A kid running around posting on a blog that he hacked the PS3 is nothing warranting a lawsuit.
      Everybody needs to know that every good hacker has that one person that he tells everything to. Kind of like a good friend of yours, every hacker has one. Somebody that George Hotz is very close to knows all the info and things will get sorted out.

      I still don't think this is 100% legit because there is no proof of anything really, but that's just my opinion.

    92. Stylez
      01-25-2010
      06:26 PM
      92

      I can understand him being annoyed, but call them noobs? Sounds to me like he's the noob, I understand he's a genius and all but you don't have to be one to know what was going to happen. Put the honeypot out and the bees will come George, should have kept a lid on it! /durrrrr

    93. GregoryRasputin
      01-25-2010
      06:30 PM
      93

      Originally Posted by Stylez View Post
      I can understand him being annoyed, but call them noobs? Sounds to me like he's the noob, I understand he's a genius and all but you don't have to be one to know what was going to happen. Put the honeypot out and the bees will come George, should have kept a lid on it! /durrrrr
      When you have a blog spammed with a couple of hundred idiots asking dumb questions, what do you expect, people should stop bugging him and let him do his stuff, he will have other pressures to deal with, like Sony possibly going for a law.

    94. Spiker
      01-25-2010
      06:32 PM
      94

      Originally Posted by Spiker
      (01:51:42 AM) Biggistheish: If you find something major with the Playstation 3, aren't you worried Sony will see it and do something about it before you find a big enough result?

      (01:56:32 AM) Geohot: If I find something large enough, nobody will know until I get things figured out myself.

      Posted Here.

      Also Gregory, the only thing Sony can do at this point is watch and wait just like everybody else. Of course they have a few 100 people reading everything and anything about PS3 at this time, they can't do anything since he is not circumventing DRM. It would be illegal for them to do that and I doubt Sony wants to start doing illegal things.

      Remember everybody. Don't trust anybody but yourself.

    95. BobbyBlunt
      01-25-2010
      06:55 PM
      95

      I can understand the annoyance. Everybody needs to leave this alone for now, and see what we learn from this. As many of us have already said this will take months before anything good comes.

      Geohot should also understand that we were waiting for a big breakthrough for over three years, and that most of us are just excited.

    96. $n!pR
      01-25-2010
      07:15 PM
      96

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      Seems he is getting annoyed by people posting.
      Where are you getting that quote from?

    97. GregoryRasputin
      01-25-2010
      07:17 PM
      97

      Originally Posted by $n!pR View Post
      Where are you getting that quote from?
      From the blog, madshaun1984 pasted it on IRC , i went and looked and then pasted it here.

    98. $n!pR
      01-25-2010
      07:36 PM
      98

      I don't see that posted anywhere...

    99. Qraze1
      01-25-2010
      11:29 PM
      99

      i would be getting annoyed too from all the bluray iso burn asks. but good luck to him, i got plenty of patience and think it'll still take a few months before anything gets made from a release by him.

    100. Spiker
      01-25-2010
      11:29 PM
      100

      Originally Posted by MaxConsole.com
      Well known PSP hacker and Dark_Alex's right hand man previously 'Mathieulh' has confirmed to us that Geohot's PS3 exclusive is indeed the real deal. He didn't want us to publish exactly why he knows it is the real deal, but let's just say he has some first hand evidence .
      Source

    101. levendi2nv
      01-25-2010
      11:29 PM
      101

      good updates guys lets hope were running homebrew before april or may

    102. Spiker
      01-25-2010
      11:32 PM
      102

      My computer has a auto refresh on all my web tabs so if something new comes up, I notice right away. I will be posting everything I find. I am going to try and get a hold of Math also but I can't promise anything.

    103. levendi2nv
      01-25-2010
      11:33 PM
      103

      cool thanks spiker sounds good keep as ull informed this is pretty exciting for the whole ps3 community as it has been 3 years and absolutely no progress, now seeing such a big step into hacking the console makes everyone edgy so let us know how u go

    104. Spiker
      01-25-2010
      11:35 PM
      104

      Originally Posted by Mathieulh On Twitter
      I must admit that I was sceptical at first but after talking to geohot it seems his hack is real, If so, congratulations are in order.


      Ha, trust me, I haven't slept in two day's. There has to be a better word than edgy for that.

    105. levendi2nv
      01-25-2010
      11:37 PM
      105

      haha yeah i have been checking these forums every couple of hours to find more news so it has kept me on the edge of my seat

    106. Spiker
      01-26-2010
      12:13 AM
      106

      Originally Posted by Geohot
      First off, this is not a release blog like "On The iPhone". If you are expecting some tool to be released from this blog like blackra1n, stop reading now. If you have a slim and are complaining this hack won't work for you, stop reading now. WE DO NOT CONDONE PIRACY, NOR WILL WE EVER. If you are looking for piracy, stop reading now. If you want to see the direction in which I will take this blog, read the early entries in the iPhone one. Information on this blog is for research purposes only.

      That aside, I'll tell you what I have so far. I have added two hypercalls, lv1_peek and lv1_poke. peek reads memory in real space(including all the MMIO), poke writes it. I can also add other arbitrary hypercalls as I see fit.

      The hypervisor is complicated, it is written in C++ and is PPC, which I am not that familiar with yet. At first I was trying to add a hypercall to add arbitrary real memory to the LPAR, but it kept crashing(because I can't code), which is really annoying, because I have to wait while Linux reboots.

      Some people pointed out that I have not accessed the isolated SPEs. This is true. Although as far as doing anything with the system, it doesn't matter. The PPE can't read the isolated data, but it can kick the isolated SPEs out. Decrypt the PPE binary you need using the intact SPE and save the decrypted version. Kick out the SPE, and patch the decrypted version all you want. And interesting note, by the time you get to OtherOS, all 7 working SPEs are stopped.

      Despite this, I am working on the isolated SPEs now(which I can now load), because what I'd really like to do is post decryption keys here so you guys can join the fun.
      Source

    107. levendi2nv
      01-26-2010
      12:45 AM
      107

      weee were getting closer and closerr

    108. Spiker
      01-26-2010
      12:47 AM
      108

      I don't really understand that last post, so if somebody could explain, I would LOVE it!

      Bed, work in the morning. Will post more in the AM.

    109. levendi2nv
      01-26-2010
      12:56 AM
      109

      i dont understand it either all i know is it means his getting closer.

    110. chidesd
      01-26-2010
      02:55 AM
      110

      So this doesnt work with the ps3 slim?

    111. Disane
      01-26-2010
      05:18 AM
      111

      Ok ,here's what I understood. He got really fed up with people demanding stuff from him. That blog he uses is for research purposes. There will be nothing released on his blog. You can only find information there. Also hes fed up with people asking if his hack will work on the Slim (obviously it will ,just my 2 cents). Also people asking for GAMEZ are not welcome.

      The rest sounds very interesting Too bad i can't comment that. I'm not an expert

      I'm having a good feeling that he's trying to get the codes we need...
      I can only hope he will succeed.

    112. levendi2nv
      01-26-2010
      05:48 AM
      112

      The kids smart if he has gotten this far he can go further i mean he hasn't said his had problems yet, we will see though. I have a lot of faith in this guy

    113. Whytey
      01-26-2010
      06:44 AM
      113

      Go GeoHot !

    114. alex3305
      01-26-2010
      07:21 AM
      114

      I guess it means the following:
      - He won't release tools, appz or anything which can be used to hack the system
      - The PS3 Slim isn't supported (yet?)
      - Lamers asking for illegal content and/or warez are not welcome on that blog
      - The blog is for collaboration, discussions and research on PS3 hacking only!
      - Geohot wants to get the 'master key' which he wants to release to other developers (on his blog).
      - However the 'master key' isn't necessairy with his current method, which he will not share.

    115. provo
      01-26-2010
      09:21 AM
      115

      People do not expect a release from Geo he is merely trying to extract the encryption keys and post them on his blog so others can then do research and perhaps down the road someone else would make it possible for us to play backups but trust me Geo is not the one who will be providing the steps and appz for it.

      It will be months if not an entire year before you and might even get a chance to play any backups let the guy be he is not oblicated nor contracted to anyone to provide anything so back off the guy and let him take his time conquiring the dragon.

    116. Pockets69
      01-26-2010
      09:28 AM
      116

      Originally Posted by alex3305 View Post
      I guess it means the following:
      - He won't release tools, appz or anything which can be used to hack the system
      - The PS3 Slim isn't supported (yet?)
      - Lamers asking for illegal content and/or warez are not welcome on that blog
      - The blog is for collaboration, discussions and research on PS3 hacking only!
      - Geohot wants to get the 'master key' which he wants to release to other developers (on his blog).
      - However the 'master key' isn't necessairy with his current method, which he will not share.
      - Wrong, he will release his work, in the bbc interview he said that he would release everything as soon as he could "pack" everything together.
      - right the ps3 isn't supported yet, and doesn't seem to be supported by this exploit lets see what he can do with it.
      - and fu** backups i just want homebrew

    117. Zeno
      03-25-2010
      06:24 PM
      117

      It's about F'n time !!!

      Been waiting way to long for this to finally come out.