• PS3 Hacks , 28.03.2010

    Yes you heard it, no its not an April Fools joke. Sony has confirmed and posted on their blog today that FW 3.21 will go live this Thursday, and it will block OtherOS. We highly recommend the hacking scene to stay away from updating their PS3 coming this Thursday. This is in no doubt Sony’s response to GeoHots PS3 hack.

    The next system software update for the PlayStation 3 (PS3) system will be released on April 1, 2010 (JST), and will disable the “Install Other OS” feature that was available on the PS3 systems prior to the current slimmer models, launched in September 2009. This feature enabled users to install an operating system, but due to security concerns, Sony Computer Entertainment will remove the functionality through the 3.21 system software update.

    In addition, disabling the “Other OS” feature will help ensure that PS3 owners will continue to have access to the broad range of gaming and entertainment content from SCE and its content partners on a more secure system.

    Consumers and organizations that currently use the “Other OS” feature can choose not to upgrade their PS3 systems, although the following features will no longer be available;

    * Ability to sign in to PlayStation Network and use network features that require signing in to PlayStation Network, such as online features of PS3 games and chat
    * Playback of PS3 software titles or Blu-ray Disc videos that require PS3 system software version 3.21 or later
    * Playback of copyright-protected videos that are stored on a media server (when DTCP-IP is enabled under Settings)
    * Use of new features and improvements that are available on PS3 system software 3.21 or later

    For those PS3 users who are currently using the “Other OS” feature but choose to install the system software update, to avoid data loss they first need to back-up any data stored within the hard drive partition used by the “Other OS,” as they will not be able to access that data following the update.

    Additional information about PS3 firmware updates, including v3.21 (once it becomes available), can be found here:

    http://us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps3/index.htm

    PS3 owners who have further questions should contact Consumer Services:

    http://us.playstation.com/support/ask/

    800-345-7669 (800-345-SONY)

    Definitely a shocking move on Sony’s part, dropping entire Linux support on PS3 (not to mention many people/companies who use the PS3 Linux/otheros feature).

    What is your take/opinion on this? Post and let us know.

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  • 35 Comments

    1. chaposoft
      03-28-2010
      09:10 PM
      1

      hack rule's fu shigeru miyamoto

    2. denero1
      03-28-2010
      09:17 PM
      2

      omg my ps3 just messed up n im shippin it into sony they wont update my firmware for me will they :\

    3. BobbyBlunt
      03-28-2010
      09:53 PM
      3

      Great. At least I have 2 ps3s. The BC unit doesnt get updated or really played on and the slim keeps me on psn.

    4. Bretmaster5
      03-28-2010
      10:02 PM
      4

      Thank you pirate.

    5. Krovel
      03-28-2010
      10:20 PM
      5

      I just want to yell the F word over and over again!

      Time to use ps3proxy again...

    6. BobbyBlunt
      03-28-2010
      11:06 PM
      6

      Originally Posted by Krovel
      I just want to yell the F word over and over again!

      Time to use ps3proxy again...
      This is crap. The sad thing is that they are within there rights and state that you can use the otheros feature on a lower firmware.

    7. Qraze1
      03-29-2010
      02:28 AM
      7

      i think its a joke, april fools day release, a sunday blog, the fw jumped from 3.16 to 3.21,what of all those ps3 clusters in labs, most fws release early in the week giving more weekday time to address anything that could possible go wrong, its easter weekday, and what happens to the space that linux is in? will they just reformat my drive to erase it? then what about all my game os hdd space?

      logic makes it sound like an april fools joke when you put it into deep thought.

      i could be very wrong though and if i am, **** me and **** sony.

    8. SuperDre
      03-29-2010
      03:29 AM
      8

      This is crap. The sad thing is that they are within there rights and state that you can use the otheros feature on a lower firmware.

      no they aren't, as not upgrading the firmware stops you from using it for your (future) games and even bluray playback.. Since you cannot sign in to PSN it will propably also prevent you from playing bought PSN-stuff..

    9. GregoryRasputin
      03-29-2010
      03:58 AM
      9

      Originally Posted by SuperDre
      no they aren't, as not upgrading the firmware stops you from using it for your (future) games and even bluray playback.. Since you cannot sign in to PSN it will propably also prevent you from playing bought PSN-stuff..
      Your wrong, you can use the proxy method to bypass such things.

    10. spec8320
      03-29-2010
      06:39 AM
      10

      its there any possibility to baypass it when PS3 connect via wi-fi ?

    11. grimlord
      03-29-2010
      07:26 AM
      11

      To Hell with you, Sony! Bunch of scaredy birds... I'll never buy a console again, if it's not already hacked and ready to be used as it should be used, and is manipulated in whatever way the manufacturer wants, not caring for their customers. In other words, f*** you PS4, if you get to be like PS3.

      To Hell with you, Sony, to Hell!!!

    12. Pirate
      03-29-2010
      07:29 AM
      12

      Originally Posted by spec8320
      its there any possibility to baypass it when PS3 connect via wi-fi ?
      Yes you can, read this tutorial to bypass PS3 firmware update and still connect to PSN.

    13. Disane
      03-29-2010
      07:49 AM
      13

      Well, here's my reaction on this:

      First of all if they are serious and want to release a firmware update on April the 1st then they're probably joking. Happy April's fools.

      Secondly I red somewhere that Sony can block this feature and pay for lawsuits when the minority of users get angry about this. They are still better off with paying for lawyers then dealing with piracy.

      What about their partners like YD Linux and such ?

      Now the third thing is as far as "research" goes. No one is planning on hacking GameOS at the moment (at least the serious "devs" have claimed this). I just don't understand why they couldn't just patch the Hypervisor and play Cat & Mouse with the hackers? Looks like $ony is just not getting enough money out of this business or they're too greedy. They have plenty of ways to solve this problem but instead they play dirty on their users.

      Last but not least, the users are going to get really angry about this. Even people who have never thought they would do something like hacking a console, would get furious about this. This would only be fuel on the fire and attract more hackers. They started it by removing the possibility to use OtherOS on the slim consoles and now if it's not a joke then they're planning to remove a feature that allowed legal homebrew. (Sounds like madness to me, most of the hackers hack consoles just because of this. So far they were kept away, cause some legal homebrew was available through OtherOS)

      Anyway if anything happens then just simply don't update, though i still think they're joking :aetsch:

    14. gliitch
      03-29-2010
      08:32 AM
      14

      Ugh, i hope to God they are joking. Not a very nice joke either, may i add.I dont know they would jump updates though, that just that just doesn't add up. Perhaps it was posted just for us to cack our pants? XD

    15. davidbb
      03-29-2010
      09:20 AM
      15

      personally I don't care, for me linux was a big let down and virtually useless to me. and if/when any real user friendly hack comes about i fully expect it to be hardware based anyway such as a modchip.

    16. d34thc0d3
      03-29-2010
      09:32 AM
      16

      PS3 Proxy, here I come. On thursday we'll see if this is actually an early April fools joke or if $ony is dead serious on this one.

    17. aries2k
      03-29-2010
      10:02 AM
      17

      I do hope this is one lame ass April fools joke or their going to have alot of pissed off customers. Is this the treatment the early adopters get?.
      no way, I paid to have that feature.
      what happened to FW 3.2??

    18. gliitch
      03-29-2010
      10:37 AM
      18

      Linux was only put on to avoid tax costs, no wonder they made so cack and slow. Also with the right coders full Linux access (from the start) would have been a very bad idea for Sony but fantastic for the likes of us. If this is true they will have a lawsuit, and well I don't think they would want to risk it.

    19. Pirate
      03-29-2010
      10:58 AM
      19

      Why would they pull an April Fools joke, especially on this matter.

      Also I do not think there can be a lawsuit as they announced before hand that this feature was going to removed and the update is optional (even though you loose connecting to PSN).

    20. BobbyBlunt
      03-29-2010
      11:18 AM
      20

      Goodbye zerogameproject

      This will not stop the hack from progressing because anybody with any sense will not update (well I'm updating my slim but one of my bc 80 gigs is still on 2.41). I hope what was stated earlier comes to fruition. Because Sony wants to be like this I hope better hackers come out of the woodwork and tear apart every aspect of this machine now. Believe it or not there are people in this scene here for just homebrew and now you are taking that away. I hope this machine ends up like the PSP now just to show you guys that for a large corporation, you need another lesson in business ethics.

      What Sony doesn't seem to understand is that there is a lvl 2 dump floating around and if a hole is found in the code then Linux will not be needed anyway.

    21. Daniel Benoy
      03-29-2010
      01:26 PM
      21

      This is why we need to hack consoles, because when the console is locked down, the manufacturers pull bull**** like this.

      If they were able to resist the temptation to **** their customers, the hacking community wouldn't be so strong. But they can't.

      What we're seeing here is some pointy-haired executive treating their paying customers like expendable pawns in the quest to annoy hackers; seemingly blind to the obvious fact that the hackers aren't hindered by this in any way.

      I think some sort of human psychology must be at work here. Perhaps they want to slay their own allies just to be able to say they went down fighting.

    22. SuperDre
      03-29-2010
      01:26 PM
      22

      Originally Posted by Pirate
      Why would they pull an April Fools joke, especially on this matter.

      Also I do not think there can be a lawsuit as they announced before hand that this feature was going to removed and the update is optional (even though you loose connecting to PSN).
      You also lose the possibility of playing any new games, also if you bought MAG then it's no more playing that game..
      So by this, they are crippling your hardware, also let's not forget that if someone in your familiy accidently updates the PS3 there is no way of getting back (the data which resided on the otheros partition), or people who didn't hear about this because they don't check the blog..
      Also they announced a while back they weren't removing the option, and now just 2 days before the update releases they announce it will be removed?

    23. devinger
      03-29-2010
      02:00 PM
      23

      geohot updates his blog and says he is sorry for the linux users:

      First off, I want to apologize to all the people who use Linux on their PS3. Before releasing, I weighed the pros and cons, and considered the possibility of an impact on OtherOS support. My logic was this. OtherOS support had already been removed from the Slim(not for technical reasons; I believe it only existed in the first place to promote the Cell for IBM) The builders had apparently no intention of including it in future products. So for the purposes of openness why not release? Not like anything else has(or probably will be) done on the PS3.

      Now you go and remove a feature that people expected to be included with the expensive device they purchased, citing "security concerns". What security concerns? It's not like the exploit can be run even close to without the users knowledge. You have to open the ****ing thing up. How could this harm users? Your blog post doesn't list positive reasons for upgrading like I think most users expect. Instead it lists things you will lose if you don't upgrade. Seriously?

      The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout it's life cycle. Software PS2 emulation, SACD playback, and OtherOS support are all just software switches you can flip. It's unbelievable you would go and flip one, not just on new boxes you are shipping, but on tens of millions already in the field.

      Again I'm sorry users. Sony, I expected more from you.
      but this post is more interesting

      A note to people interested in the exploit and retaining OtherOS support, DO NOT UPDATE. When 3.21 comes out, I will look into a safe way of updating to retain OtherOS support, perhaps something like Hellcat's Recovery Flasher. I never intended to touch CFW, but if that's how you want to play...

    24. ipodtouchdude
      03-29-2010
      02:35 PM
      24

      Is this a early April fools joke and when it is April fools day are you going post some more main news saying april fools

    25. mcd1992
      03-29-2010
      02:55 PM
      25

      Sadly the ps3proxy method dosent work anymore, sony started using ssl (altho its still possible if someone writes a new proxy with sslstrip)

    26. gliitch
      03-29-2010
      04:29 PM
      26

      @Pirate: They did put it as a feature and we did pay for it, so its a bit outlandish that they will be removing it for good. Ah well, whatever comes of it, I'm sure geo has something to compensate with. just like he said in his latest post.

    27. $n!pR
      03-29-2010
      06:57 PM
      27

      Some things smell fishy. The version number is a minor bump to a non-existent major version, the release date doesn't include a time but for some reason specifies that it is JST, and the blog entry is from Patrick Seybold when all the other recent firmware updates have been announced by Eric Lempel. Weird...

    28. Qraze1
      03-29-2010
      07:51 PM
      28

      i hope to God above its a joke, but i'm now thinking its very very real.

      if indeed true, what should i do? i still like to use linux but i still want to be able to sign in to play my white knight chronicles and other games.

    29. d34thc0d3
      03-29-2010
      08:58 PM
      29

      Originally Posted by mcd1992
      Sadly the ps3proxy method dosent work anymore, sony started using ssl (altho its still possible if someone writes a new proxy with sslstrip)
      Wasn't the only trick that ps3 proxy did, to relay the HTTP request for "ps3-updatelist.txt" to a local appropriately modified version ?
      Because I just checked (with a different proxy software), and my PS3 (FW 3.10) is still doing those requests to "http://feu01.ps3.update.playstation.net/update/ps3/list/eu/ps3-updatelist.txt" in my case, can't see no SSL requests in the proxy log so far. But I honestly have no clue other than what I just tried out, can you give some more info ?

    30. mcd1992
      03-29-2010
      10:18 PM
      30

      Originally Posted by d34thc0d3
      Wasn't the only trick that ps3 proxy did, to relay the HTTP request for "ps3-updatelist.txt" to a local appropriately modified version ?
      Because I just checked (with a different proxy software), and my PS3 (FW 3.10) is still doing those requests to "http://feu01.ps3.update.playstation.net/update/ps3/list/eu/ps3-updatelist.txt" in my case, can't see no SSL requests in the proxy log so far. But I honestly have no clue other than what I just tried out, can you give some more info ?

      yea that's all it did but since im on 2.50 i started to try and get it to work again and noticed a ssl session this time around. i have some pcaps from when i tried long ago but being grounded kinda limits my 'time' to help :/

      if i get some time ill try and upload the caps .

    31. FRIJOL
      03-30-2010
      02:27 AM
      31

      I just hope Sony will have a good laugh if its an april fools day joke.

    32. SuperDre
      03-30-2010
      03:00 AM
      32

      Well, at least be sure to also put a message on the us blog, eu blog and the official sony forums.. just to make sure more people are complaining about the removal.

      And for those who think it is an april fools joke, it really isn't.. (it's also stated in the blog that it's not a joke)

      I'd rather have them not remove the OtherOS option so Geohotz doesn't go for a customfirmware (because using customfirmware can be tricky ofcourse with normal games, no-body knows what will happen when you 'get caught' with one).
      Also if sony is even smarter then also give support for RSX under linux, which was the goal for Geohotz anyway, by giving almost complete access to the hardware it would remove the necessity for hackers to try to hack it.. and we as a developer community can really enjoy the PS3..

    33. Sumo X
      03-30-2010
      09:55 AM
      33

      It's a damn shame that they're doing this. I will survive on PS3ProxyGUI as long as I can. As of two weeks ago, it was working on a 3.10 system to bypass 3.15 (and it had previously been working on 3.01 on my system). I only updated for God of War.

      However, I do think it was around the 2.80 update that something changed because I remember I HAD to update- it just wasn't letting me on PSN until I did that. Maybe they change something in the firmware every so often and PSN looks for that change...I don't know. I just remember being ultra-frustrated with that update.

      Legally, I'm not sure what can be done from a consumer end. It's possible someone might be able to bring something to court. Not due to PSN, but because you would be unable to play future games. Even that would be a stretch. However, if a European government wanted to take Sony to task for tax evasion, they probably could. If you'll recall, Sony originally marketed the thing as a computer to avoid certain taxes on the system. By removing the feature, what used to be a computer is no longer a computer.

      But would any government actually step up and do it? Probably not, unless there were a ton of angry customers in that country.

    34. d0zs
      03-30-2010
      11:51 AM
      34

      There is more to the PLAYSTATION�3 (PS3™) computer entertainment system than you may have assumed. In addition to playing games, watching movies, listening to music, and viewing photos, you can use the PS3™ system to run the Linux operating system.

      By installing the Linux operating system, you can use the PS3™ system not only as an entry-level personal computer with hundreds of familiar applications for home and office use, but also as a complete development environment for the Cell Broadband Engine™ (Cell/B.E.).
      excerpt from Sony’s own PS3 Open Website Platform…

      false advertising.
      this isn't legal. it's an april fools joke.

    35. SuperDre
      03-30-2010
      12:31 PM
      35

      Originally Posted by Sumo X
      However, if a European government wanted to take Sony to task for tax evasion, they probably could. If you'll recall, Sony originally marketed the thing as a computer to avoid certain taxes on the system. By removing the feature, what used to be a computer is no longer a computer.

      But would any government actually step up and do it? Probably not, unless there were a ton of angry customers in that country.
      That might be a good case, it's fraud and it sure as hell would mean a couple of million per country on extra taxes.. propably with a penalty.. It's a good thing to look into..