• PS3 Hacks, PSN , 22.04.2010

    Sony released their FW 3.30 yesterday, and today they also updated their ToS.
    Their seems to be rumors flying around (mainly by an unnamed site) that in the new terms of service, Sony has implemented a rule that allows them to conduct automatic firmware updates. We believe this is not true, why? Because its actually been in their terms of service since 2008, the only thing that was done was some rewording. I have provided a comparison of the 2008 version and 2010 version that has been causing confusion:

    2008:
    11. MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADES

    From time to time, it may become necessary for SCEA to provide certain content or services to you to ensure that PSN, content or services offered through PSN, your PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system, the PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) system or other SCEA-authorized hardware is functioning properly in accordance with SCEA guidelines. Some content or services may be provided automatically without notice when you sign into PSN. Such content or service may include automatic updates or upgrades which may change your current operating system, cause a loss of data or content or cause a loss of functionalities or utilities. Such upgrades or updates may be provided for system software for your PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system, the PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) system, or other SCEA-authorized hardware. Access or use to any system software is subject to terms and conditions of a separate end user license agreement found at http://www.us.playstation.com/termsofuse. You authorize SCEA to provide such content and services and agree that SCEA shall not be liable for any damages arising from provision of such content or services or maintenance services. It is recommended that you regularly back up any data located on the hard disk that is of a type that can be backed up.

    2010:
    11. MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADES

    From time to time, it may become necessary for SCEA to provide certain content to you to ensure that Sony Online Services and content offered through Sony Online Services, your PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system, the PSP (PlayStation Portable) system or other SCEA-authorized hardware is functioning properly in accordance with SCEA guidelines. Some content may be provided automatically without notice when you sign in. Such content may include automatic updates or upgrades which may change your current operating system, cause a loss of data or content or cause a loss of functionalities or utilities. Such upgrades or updates may be provided for system software for your PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system, the PSP (PlayStation Portable) system, or other SCEA-authorized hardware. Access or use to any system software is subject to terms and conditions of a separate end user license agreement found at http://www.us.playstation.com/termsofuse. You authorize SCEA to provide such content and agree that SCEA shall not be liable for any damages, loss of data or loss of functionalities arising from provision of such content or maintenance services. It is recommended that you regularly back up any archivable data located on the hard disk.

    Source: scroll down to section 11 of Version 3.0 (July 15, 2008)

    Section 11 of The 2010 TOS

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  • 15 Comments

    1. spec8320
      04-22-2010
      01:56 PM
      1

      In my opinion its clearly said that in ''Core Update'' - like removing other ots. They can actualize our system without our permission. Whats more they started some kind of war that shows that we dont have any more free will. What can we do ? Simply pray ... that some hacker, cracker ect. would end this SONY moves. Its hmm pretty fu*ked up cause we cannot disagree with this because we wont get access to PSN. So we - customers are treated like a Donkeys that will do anything to get their carrot (in this case access to PSN)

    2. h@kdpl@net!!!
      04-22-2010
      02:41 PM
      2

      sounds like sum CYA legal mumbo jumbo to say "we own your system, not u, & we can do whatever we want w/ it" well i got a receipt from wal-mart sayin I paid for this ps3, NOT $ony. i'm jumpin ship to M$ as soon as my boat sinks.:thefinger:

    3. Scorcerer
      04-22-2010
      03:35 PM
      3

      I'm just gonna cut PS3 out on my router, so none traffic goes to my console form the net (or other way), ofc just till GeoHot or someone releases their homebrew.


      Long live hackers, homebrew & property ringhts (or whatever states that i own what i buy) !!!

    4. twingolover
      04-23-2010
      01:58 AM
      4

      i spent €500 for have a 60gb Ps3 with other os support, i use linux for navigate check mails and see some divx....so i don't wont to waste mi € removing this feature.

      So i stay away from PSN and downloading contents, so when Sony see that nobody buy their contents and games have to cry cause loose a lot of money.

      I prefer play offline, instead of play online and loose linux.

      I think that soon will appear something of good....

      so be patient
      This thing, it will be a stimulus for hackers/crackers for homebrew and fix to bypass at least FW update

    5. SuperDre
      04-23-2010
      03:45 AM
      5

      Another problem just popped up, I hear people have to update to the latest firmware to be able to play the bluray version of avatar.. Which means your PS3 has become even more useless (as OtherOS and bluray was one of the main reasons why I bought the PS3, really FCK SONY!)..

    6. lernatix
      04-23-2010
      08:14 AM
      6

      Well there are BluRay rips, not sure I want to link to one here however.
      Now I really do not condone piracy, so maybe buy the BluRay then
      download it anyway?

    7. Raze
      04-23-2010
      08:22 AM
      7

      I hope I'll be able to play Red Dead Redemption/every other game on 3.15 until the PS3 is open. If not, that's really ****ing stupid of Sony. I'm not a small kid and Sony aren't my parents. I decide if I update or not, ffs.....

      I'm not buying any PS3 games until Sony comes to their senses again, or (more likely) someone hacks the PS3 for homebrew/CFW. Until then, I've got other consoles to play with.

    8. Pockets69
      04-23-2010
      10:27 AM
      8

      Sony deserves no respect from anyone with their dodgy business tactics, shady updates, and all that crap, I will never buy another machine from them.
      When the playstation brand goes down from stupid moves like these, i will be there spitting on that grave, its a shame what they are doing to people who payed good money to have a good machine (it was in fact a good machine) and now it only does nothing.

    9. NeoSabin
      04-23-2010
      01:49 PM
      9

    10. shooshmashta
      04-23-2010
      01:52 PM
      10

      everybody, doo your part and go get yourselves an account on dhgate dot com and buy the 150 dollar accounts for 6 dollars towards psn and then rob them blind!

    11. GregoryRasputin
      04-23-2010
      01:58 PM
      11

      Originally Posted by shooshmashta View Post
      everybody, doo your part and go get yourselves an account on dhgate dot com and buy the 150 dollar accounts for 6 dollars towards psn and then rob them blind!
      Those accounts are bought with stolen credit cards, Sony wont lose out.

    12. pelmaster
      04-24-2010
      06:25 PM
      12

      Some people whine too much about the moves Sony is taking, but ...c'mon, they are just trying to protect their money.

      Most of those whiners just want piracy (not the Other OS back), while they wait for a hack that will allow homebrew. IF it is achieved, how long it will take? As far as I know, we are far behind to see a decent hack coming out. And when it comes... good luck downloading 25 gbs from each game.

      I would just submit my system to a hack if it had usefull features (like allowing ps3 to read srt files while watching movies) while still being able to connect to psn.

      Why wait for "god knows when" with an out-of-date console, not being allowed to play online or recent games? That's just stupid.
      But worse, is to say that "Sony is making the wrong moves", "I won't support them, never again". Well... there is still no piracy for their games... so I guess they are pretty right at what they are doing.

    13. GregoryRasputin
      04-25-2010
      03:41 AM
      13

      Originally Posted by pelmaster View Post
      Some people whine too much about the moves Sony is taking, but ...c'mon, they are just trying to protect their money.
      By annoying loyal customers, who payed for Linux as a feature, those same customers, who have now given up on Sony and vow not to buy future consoles from them.

      Originally Posted by pelmaster View Post
      Most of those whiners just want piracy (not the Other OS back), while they wait for a hack that will allow homebrew.
      The decent members of this forum, dont care about piracy, we want homebrew.

      Originally Posted by pelmaster View Post
      And when it comes... good luck downloading 25 gbs from each game.
      Most games are below 20GB.

    14. pelmaster
      04-25-2010
      11:04 AM
      14

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      By annoying loyal customers, who payed for Linux as a feature
      I know that some companies and projects uses a lot of ps3's with linux, but I believe they've got no reason to update and take the Other OS away, since they don't use it for gaming. And Sony knows that.


      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      ...those same customers, who have now given up on Sony and vow not to buy future consoles from them.
      Now...for the rest of the people.... I hope, and believe, they got a pc instead. As I've mentioned, the ones who used ps3 only for Linux would have no reason to update it (smart hackers didn't). That's why I think this complaint is just a bit too much.

      But I do agree that taking a feature is not fair. But the majority don't care about other os, since it got nothing to do with gaming, it was just something you could do with a pc.

      Sony even took PS2 emulation away (which is a HUGE thing, and was also one of the key features that sold the ps3), people complained A LOT, we never got it back, but in the end of the day...everybody got over it.

    15. KillerBug
      04-28-2010
      04:46 AM
      15

      I think I must be reading that wrong...that makes it sound like they can do remote updates whenever they want, and without even a prompt? This seems wrong for a lot of "freedom" type issues, but also for some serious practical issues...

      1.) I turn on my PS3 during a lightning storm, and a PS3 update starts installing without permission. Power goes out, and now my PS3 is bricked.

      2.) An update installs on it's own, destroying my data...and I didn't back up everything before the update because I was never even told that there was an update, let alone that it started.

      3.) A hacker figures this all out and decides to stick it to sony, by remotely bricking every PS3 system on earth.

      4.) GeoHot finally gets around to writing his firmware, and decides to distribute it by this method, so every PS3 now has hacked firmware, all without any user consent.