Sony just keep doing it over and over again, one small problem after another, most recently the 3.41 HDD problem, it appears that another problem has arisen, a user by the name of AdorableNirvash on PS3Trophies has reported having playback problems whilst trying to watch a movie, on his PS3.
He also show’s a video from a Youtube user called alexsaeed8, who has the same problems, here is what alexsaeed8 said:
Recently Ps3 have come out with this new update that automatically downloads and installs this program called “Cinavia” which protects against piracy movies by analyzing the sound of the movie that is playing and compares that to the original version to see if it matches and based on that it will allow or doesn’t allow the ps3 or BRDvd players to play the movie you will get 2 most common messages
1: it will say it can’t play the movie because of a copy right violation.
2: it will say the audio for this movie has been mute and it wont play any more sound just the picture it all depends.
so based on this information i have made a short video of how i been watching movies on my ps3 and by passing the cinavia technology. The only way i been able to watch movies is to speed it up by x1.5 or higher cinavia can’t pick up the sound at that speed and its not so bad once you get use to it at least for now until someone come out with another solution.
And his video:
AdorableNirvash has said that, it seems to be based on audio, but any attempts he has made to try and alter the audio, have given him the same response.
So if this isn’t an isolated incident, then all of us who back up our movies, to play them on our PS3, will be affected, have any of you had this problem.
07-30-2010
11:20 AM
It doesn't seem to effect movies that are played from an external hard drive...
07-30-2010
11:23 AM
EDIT:
Added information to main post, from that information, it seems that it is only associated with a select few movies.
07-30-2010
12:00 PM
I have had this problem but only with one movie so far, I haven't update am still on 3.15 so it cannot be anything to do with the lastest update.
I just ended up watching it on my HDD divx player. I wonder if it only happens if the machine is connected to the internet?
07-30-2010
12:05 PM
Apparently, this has been around since 3.10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlaySta...ystem_software).
07-30-2010
12:16 PM
From the Cinavia site:
07-30-2010
02:36 PM
Only thing i've seen cinavia effect is pirated movies with audio from cinema source, which is mainly what it was intended for anyway.
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LOL, and i've jsut watched that video, the file is not a legal backup, it's a region 5 (russia) copy of splice.
07-30-2010
07:33 PM
Now Sony are scewing up the PS3 even more :'( I just hope my copies of House still work.. : \
07-30-2010
07:35 PM
i had this problem a few times when backing up some movies for my kid. tried hundreds of way to get around it but a nogo.
07-30-2010
08:43 PM
Added new video to first post.
07-31-2010
03:51 AM
It only does everything...except linux, MKV, legal movie backups, external hard drives with modern file systems, hulu, printing to Sony printers, document editing, and using websites such as Sony.com, Gamefly.com, etc
So basically, it just does games and blurays. Oh, and false advertising...it does that too.
07-31-2010
05:11 AM
LOL, at everyone getting all bent out of shape. Cinavia is currently only on cinema soundtracks and professional equipment. As far as i'm aware it has not appeared on any retail disc.
It is basically an audio watermark that is locked to specific hardware, in theory it would not work on a retail disc anyway as they are made to be played on multiple types of hardware. On a digital download it could work however.
I reiterate it is ONLY present on pirated copies using a line in or cam audio source.
This is just another anti-sony hype.
IF anyone has seen cinavia on a legal backup i'd love them to prove it by posting a youtube video.
07-31-2010
06:31 AM
dont no if this will work but if u disconnect it from the internet it should play the movie because it has no database to compare the sound to. so it should just play the movie.
07-31-2010
06:33 AM
Oh and if you had noticed, the last video was a DVDrip, it didn't have line or cam.
07-31-2010
07:32 AM
So far the only films affected by cinavia have been
The losers (seen on the dvdscr)
Wolfman (on the cam and TS versions)
Shutter island (R5, worked for some people)
Repo Men (TS)
Splice (R5)
Of these i have since downloaded legit Bluray rips or dvd rips of the losers, wolfman and repo men and had no problems. I have never heard of any problems with the rips of shutter island either
I have been around the movie pirating scene for years, and know a lot of insiders and never have i heard of it in a legit scene BRrip or dvdrip.
It's all a lot of hype about nothing at the moment, cinavia works by applying an inaudible code which basically says "this file should be played on x hardware" if the hardware does not match then it fails to play, therefore applying it to digital downloads would be easy as a drm method, but applying it to a physical disc is difficult due to the many variations in hardware.
07-31-2010
07:46 AM
And no it is not hype over nothing, if and when this starts affecting our backed up movies, we have a big problem.
07-31-2010
04:39 PM
$ony F|_|CK oFf
PS3 media server
THE BEST)) What we have? nothing, why they need to listen us? did you think about it? money money momey WAR [/COLOR][/COLOR]
!!! I WANT TO SHARE MY MOVIES WHITH MY FRIENDS!!! F|_|CK OUT ITS LEGAL !!!
08-01-2010
12:19 PM
08-02-2010
03:49 AM
So let's say it is true that this protection only effects media made with certain equipment...is that any better? I mean, by that logic, this would only serve to prevent the use of media that one owns completely (like a wedding video or something; a video that belongs to you and no one else).
...And if it really is a code that is inside the audio track, it can't be that big...as companies add movie after movie after movie to the database, either the database will get too large to use on a system like the PS3, or the database with be so vague that every video is detected as pirate.
10-17-2010
05:13 AM
I would imagine the Cinavia watermark is a short burst of data code embedded in the audio at just the right frequency to be picked up accurately by a camcorder or any other recording device but not within human hearing range.
It would be one piece of unique code that would be applied to every release so that any machine (e.g. your PS3) that has the Cinavia detection has only to detect one watermark regardless of the film being protected, therefore a huge database of protected content would be unnecessary.
Has anyone tried slowing down the audio of a protected film at the point of detection to see if the watermark becomes audible?
If that IS how it works you could apply a low pass audio filter to that section of the audio track to filter out the data.
Just a theory!
And to anyone complaining about it:
If you don't like it, just wait till you can buy the movie or go watch it in person.
We all know that movie piracy is a game of cat and mouse and you can't blame the cat for chasing! You just have to find a smarter way to get the cheese!
10-18-2010
11:36 AM
That will not work. It seems to be quite a clever system in that respect. There is a work around on some players by playing the movie, rewinding a few seconds and then fast forwarding a few seconds. This does not work with the PS3 though.
12-03-2010
10:14 AM
This "feature" is present on backups of SALT.
12-05-2010
12:22 AM
I had this problem with Salt as well. I did the FF and it went away, but it came back within a few minutes. I also ran across it on the Scott Pilgrim movie. I was able to access my computer as a server on PS3 and play the Salt movie that way without the audio problem, however the video froze a few times for a second or so. I guess it depends on your internet and computer on how well it will play.
12-05-2010
07:44 AM
I have converted all my DVDs approx 450 of them to m4v format using this conversion tool No problems yet. But then again I have blocked my PS3 in the firewall.
My latest addition to the collection was 10( introducing Bo Derek ) however
Is this the movie in question?
12-05-2010
06:39 PM
Yep sure is. I tried streaming it using PS3 Media Server and get the same failure. I finally gave up and watched it via the Media PC using Video Lan and no problems (as expected).
12-05-2010
07:27 PM
So making a patch for Cinavia should eventually be done?
nop nop nop til you drop in a way?
12-05-2010
09:37 PM
so what i hear its a code in the audio "audio watermarking" on TS/cams this is just an inconvenience on the ps3 - so linux is the only option for media on the ps3, i bet sony will soon add it to all formats even legit dvd backups done by the owner.
but you cant say your not surprised, ps3 just keep losing features
12-06-2010
03:34 AM
But the PS3 isn't the only device which recognizes the cinavia, most new blurayplayers have the same protection now.. And you can cry all you want, but in the end 'you' are responsible for the needed DRM yourself, if 'you' had bought your content legit in the past the industry didn't have to come up with DRM.. So you can thank 'yourself' for the added protection..
'you' ofcourse means everybody who copies movies/music/games without paying for them..
12-06-2010
06:28 AM
12-06-2010
11:02 AM
Its on BD's, DVD's, Authorised Downloads and at the Cinema.
12-06-2010
12:58 PM
But here's my Question. If it's on retail products (DVD's, BD's, etc), what is it about those products that would keep a PS3 from doing that on ANY movie regardless of whether or not it is on physical media? I mean either the signal is there all the time or it's not right? If the signal is there all the time then why does the movie play back when on a retail disk versus a rip of the same movie? Is it possible that buried in the Cinivia signal there is a data burst containing the name of the movie, country code, etc the gets sent to some sort of server to find out if the movie it legit or not? Also, maybe it's triggered by default if it doesn't get an "OK" signal back from said server within x minutes of playing. Maybe that explains why simply unplugging the PS3 from the network doesn't correct the trouble. Has anyone tried that with a confirmed Cinivia protected? Just spit balling here as I have no actual skill when it comes to coding or audio processing.
12-21-2010
08:06 PM
I can confirm that if you downgrade to 3.01 firmware Cinavia will not be in effect.. im trying this on a 40gb fat ps3 although i have a 120gb hard drive in it at the moment.
I was on 3.00 firmware than i upgraded to 3.41 so i could use multiman and play avchds.
i was first on 3.00 from messing around with downgrading noticed cinavia didnt work on this ps3 i thought it had to do with the broken bluray drive it hasda
when i was at 3.41 firmware cinavia came back and watching the other guys showed up half way through the movie and than every 4 seconds after that if i press circle and than x.
so convinced it was the firmware i downgraded back to 3.01( since 3.00 you cant jailbreak it.)
And now i watched the other guys all the way through along with the movie salt. Havent had any problems so far and i hope to stay here. Have fun
12-23-2010
09:03 AM
Now I'm 100% sure....I have no problem with watching TV shows on my ps3 as the sound is from an HDTV source. Yesterday I was playing social network in dvdrip quality but the audio sucked(like it was captured in cinema) and then I got this cinavia msg.
I would suggest to only download movies from Brip or dvdrip to contol this ****ty system.
This 1.5X thing will not work,you'll end up watching it in PC believe me :D
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I found this Video. It may be useful :D
YouTube - Cinavia PS3 , very informational
01-22-2011
02:35 PM
O.K. I have read through this thread and there is a lot of arguing. This copyright is agreed to be an AUDIO WATERMARK. It has a specific signature, so no, it does not need the machine to be on the internet to compare audio, that is a completely different technology.
All this does is identify the Audio watermark exists, and once done, which one and checks the hardware device to ensure authorisiation.
So, as said many times, this effects theatre type releases... for sure, at this time.
So why cams, telecines, and R5... Because all of the above have the audio copied from a source that is NEVER intended to find its way onto any hardware other than professional devices, which can contain proper hardware identification strings. (Like the ps3 or BD players).
Cams: obvious that it contains audio from the theatrical release, as it is actually a film of the film.
TS: This is the exact same thing, but is a more direct copy of a professional theatrical release, done with skill and controlling variables, but the audio is once again theatrical release.
R5: You are right, piracy is HUGE in Russia and India, etc.. the is why we have R5's and why the video quality is so good. These are released in these contries ON DVD, even when we are still going into the theatre to see them. The Audio of an R5 is hard coded in the language it is released in, and there are no other audio options. So, to get an english R5, which can have a fantastic DVDrip video, still has to get its audio.. you guessed it... from a theatrical release, usually ripped from a good cam or TS.
DVD's released to the mass market do not contain this theatrical water mark, or store bought would not work in your PS3.
Sadly though, it is only a matter of time before even these have watermarks that can tell subtle differences in the audio and intended audio... but I personally believe this is not the case yet because other than downloads, I can't find any evidence of this yet.
If you read through the forums, people will say 'legitimate DVDrip or BDrip' but no one has said that they bought a dvd/BD and backed it up, and it did not play. No one knows the source for sure of what they download, so my question is:
Has ANYONE made a copy of a DVD or BD THEY ACTUALLY HAVE that has not played?
Now that would be a true problem.
mp
01-23-2011
04:23 AM
Now that we have more or less full acesses to the Ps3 firmware and system could a clever programmer not release a tool to remove this nasty protection from are Ps3,It was my media hub for everything but since this appeared im not so sure now,sorry to curse but i had to use Xbox last night to watch movie,sorry.
03-09-2011
04:10 PM
03-09-2011
04:39 PM
The DRM is there due to demands from MPAA or similar, not due to Sony or iTunes Music Store.
03-09-2011
09:01 PM
just watch it at 1.5x speed and it will be fine lol