• PSJailbreak Detectable and Bannable on PSN

    PS3 Hacks, PSN , 22.08.2010

    While we are all up and excited about PSJailbreak (PSjb), there might be a risk on playing with PSjb on PSN. According to SKFUand RichDevX, the Backup manager game ID (LAUN-12345) could be logged/recorded by Sony when logged into PSN (when online). This would obviously allow Sony to see who would be using the illegal PSjb/clone and we could very well see ban waves similar to the Xbox 360. Sony does currently ban PSN/consoles that results in the 8002A227 error code.

    As people start getting their PSjb in the next few week, we highly advise that you do not log into PSN while using the backup manager, which means no playing online.

    Stay tuned for the latest development on PS Jailbreak.

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  • 29 Comments

    1. demologik
      08-22-2010
      04:58 PM
      1

      well then how about being able to patch the game id? maybe use a legit game's id?

    2. $n!pR
      08-22-2010
      04:59 PM
      2

      Don't use their lame backup manager, simple as that.

    3. CTID10
      08-22-2010
      05:03 PM
      3

      Would I be able to use psn if I take the dongle out ? Do u think it's worth paying for or do u think we should wait on a free or cheaper version even ?

    4. Dorsz914
      08-22-2010
      05:34 PM
      4

      I think you will have to delete the bootmanager too, and probably backup games. Put out the dongle stick and then log in to psn. But maybe dongle will leave something even when you stop using him, then you can be banned too. But i am not a spec. And i don't know how it really work's.

    5. mcd1992
      08-22-2010
      05:35 PM
      5

      Originally Posted by CTID10
      Would I be able to use psn if I take the dongle out ? Do u think it's worth paying for or do u think we should wait on a free or cheaper version even ?

      Most likely yes, as long as you dont run the backup manager. When you launch a game (im assuming this pkg is no different) it reports the game id to the psn server to change your status to show your playing game X. Dont launch the backup manager and sony shouldn't know.

    6. d0zs
      08-22-2010
      09:23 PM
      6

      they won't be able to detect it until a new fw comes out, right now the fw has no code to detect such a thing...my 2¢

    7. GregoryRasputin
      08-22-2010
      09:42 PM
      7

      Originally Posted by d0zs
      they won't be able to detect it until a new fw comes out, right now the fw has no code to detect such a thing...my 2¢

      If you had read the article properly, you would have seen that this has nothing to do with firmware.

      the Backup manager game ID (LAUN-12345) could be logged/recorded by Sony when logged into PSN (when online).
      This means that as soon as you sign online, Sony will be able to detect that ID and ban.

    8. d0zs
      08-22-2010
      09:48 PM
      8

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      If you had read the article properly, you would have seen that this has nothing to do with firmware.



      This means that as soon as you sign online, Sony will be able to detect that ID and ban.
      i read the article properly, just because they found that the process ID is called LAUN-12345 doesn't mean it can get sent on this current fw. sure it can pick up the process ID, but why would it log it to the servers if the code for sending it isn't implemented yet? i'm willing to prove that as noone will get banned until a new fw comes out, just watch.

    9. $n!pR
      08-22-2010
      09:52 PM
      9

      The PS3 connects to the PSN and lets it know what application is running, that's why you can tell what game people on your friends list are playing.

    10. d0zs
      08-22-2010
      10:00 PM
      10

      nah you can see what games your friends are playing because the game calls a function to set the caption of your status like a comment, that's why you can see exactly what levels people are playing on certain games like LBP. i know i'm not explaining it that well, but what i'm trying to say is none of that gets authed, it's merely a caption.

    11. GregoryRasputin
      08-22-2010
      10:17 PM
      11

      Originally Posted by d0zs
      i read the article properly, just because they found that the process ID is called LAUN-12345 doesn't mean it can get sent on this current fw. sure it can pick up the process ID, but why would it log it to the servers if the code for sending it isn't implemented yet? i'm willing to prove that as noone will get banned until a new fw comes out, just watch.

      When you connect to PSN, Sony see's what you do, it see's the ID it shuts down.

    12. Hailfire101
      08-22-2010
      10:19 PM
      12

      How do you delete comments?

    13. d0zs
      08-22-2010
      10:31 PM
      13

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      When you connect to PSN, Sony see's what you do, it see's the ID it shuts down.
      it's not as simple as "sony see's what you do" though, there's a communcation exchange involved for these "requests" that get sent from/to PSN. if the code doesn't exist for sending a response back for a specific request, then there's no reason why it would log such a response. not only until a new fw would it be able to deliver that request.

      that's the best as i can explain, of course i have no hard proof, so we'll agree to disagree.

    14. davidthefat
      08-22-2010
      10:33 PM
      14

      So if I hadn't updated my PS3 from the older firmware with Linux enabled, can they still track it? I can't connect to PSN, but it connects in the backend so IDK if they still can track me

    15. BobbyBlunt
      08-22-2010
      10:57 PM
      15

      just a theory...If you were to stay logged out of PSN while using the backup manager then load a game then log in wouldnt the system report the disc (backup) id number instead?

    16. wolf_a_z
      08-23-2010
      12:15 AM
      16

      I have a question guys.
      If you remove the PSJailbreak from your ps3 and run the game and play online, are you will be identified by sony, and they will ban your device or not?
      you have my thanks

    17. JeNeI
      08-23-2010
      12:52 AM
      17

      It doesn't matter for me,as I am banned for about a year now.I got the f*ing 8002A227.I will be the happiest person when there will be a free method of running backup and will newer buy PS3 games again.

    18. Hailfire101
      08-23-2010
      04:47 AM
      18

      How do you delete comments?

    19. rainrix
      08-23-2010
      05:03 AM
      19

      They won't ban you because you're using it, they will prevent you from going online next update untill you make the update, simple as that. They have no need to lose customers.

    20. csaraiva
      08-23-2010
      02:52 PM
      20

      Originally Posted by d0zs
      nah you can see what games your friends are playing because the game calls a function to set the caption of your status like a comment, that's why you can see exactly what levels people are playing on certain games like LBP. i know i'm not explaining it that well, but what i'm trying to say is none of that gets authed, it's merely a caption.
      Like you said: it's merely a caption but they have the servers, the software/hardware that they created and the full power to close PSN to upgrade something and maybe we may expect a new firmware very very soon.
      It's not so dificult to filter informations like the game that are you playing... really.

      The time wiil show the scene. I'm already cut the internet connection to my ps3. I've loose the otherOS and will not loose the oportunnity to run unsigned code such Backup Manager. I don't care much about piracy i like to have the real game in the hands, but it's a good idea when i'm at vacations, to leave BD's at home and care an extra HDD.


      Best regards

    21. d0zs
      08-23-2010
      10:12 PM
      21

      Originally Posted by csaraiva
      Like you said: it's merely a caption but they have the servers, the software/hardware that they created and the full power to close PSN to upgrade something and maybe we may expect a new firmware very very soon.
      It's not so dificult to filter informations like the game that are you playing... really.

      The time wiil show the scene. I'm already cut the internet connection to my ps3. I've loose the otherOS and will not loose the oportunnity to run unsigned code such Backup Manager. I don't care much about piracy i like to have the real game in the hands, but it's a good idea when i'm at vacations, to leave BD's at home and care an extra HDD.


      Best regards
      right that's exactly what i was saying until people told me i was wrong for even mentioning the word 'firmware'

      Originally Posted by d0zs
      i read the article properly, just because they found that the process ID is called LAUN-12345 doesn't mean it can get sent on this current fw. sure it can pick up the process ID, but why would it log it to the servers if the code for sending it isn't implemented yet? i'm willing to prove that as noone will get banned until a new fw comes out, just watch.
      Originally Posted by d0zs
      it's not as simple as "sony see's what you do" though, there's a communcation exchange involved for these "requests" that get sent from/to PSN. if the code doesn't exist for sending a response back for a specific request, then there's no reason why it would log such a response. not only until a new fw would it be able to deliver that request.

      that's the best as i can explain, of course i have no hard proof, so we'll agree to disagree.

    22. hijakt
      08-23-2010
      10:31 PM
      22

      what about using two hdd, one for use with the ps3 jailbreak and another for original games. Just stauy offline when using PS3 jailbreak. What about burning the games instead of installing to hdd, is this possible?
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Does the fw version sit on the HDD or on the PS3 itself. Has anyone here replaced there hdd and needed to update the fw before the PS3 would work?

    23. d0zs
      08-23-2010
      10:41 PM
      23

      Originally Posted by hijakt
      what about using two hdd, one for use with the ps3 jailbreak and another for original games. Just stauy offline when using PS3 jailbreak. What about burning the games instead of installing to hdd, is this possible?
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Does the fw version sit on the HDD or on the PS3 itself. Has anyone here replaced there hdd and needed to update the fw before the PS3 would work?
      the firmware data sits within the motherboard, kind of like how a MAC address is engraved on a network card.

    24. hijakt
      08-23-2010
      11:44 PM
      24

      mac spoofing is the future?

    25. d0zs
      08-24-2010
      12:17 AM
      25

      Originally Posted by hijakt
      mac spoofing is the future?
      nah i was just using that as a loose example of data being stored on the device itself, instead of being stored on harddrive.

      mac spoofing would only help people get unbanned from PSN (assuming they ban by MAC)

    26. Pockets69
      08-24-2010
      08:39 AM
      26

      No they don't ban by mac, they ban by keyvault ID probably.

    27. pbanj
      08-24-2010
      08:59 AM
      27

      i hate to break it to you d0zs, but on any ps3 after and including the 40gb the majority of the fw resides on the hdd, that's why when you upgrade the hdds on them they ask for a flashdrive to be inserted with the current/newer fw that ur ps3 is on, but the 20 and 60gb ps3 do not ask for this as all of the fw resides in memory on the mobo

    28. d0zs
      08-24-2010
      05:53 PM
      28

      Originally Posted by pbanj
      i hate to break it to you d0zs, but on any ps3 after and including the 40gb the majority of the fw resides on the hdd, that's why when you upgrade the hdds on them they ask for a flashdrive to be inserted with the current/newer fw that ur ps3 is on, but the 20 and 60gb ps3 do not ask for this as all of the fw resides in memory on the mobo
      didn't know the newer models have the fw on the harddrive, didn't know the hardware really differed that much from the slims & fats. all i got is a 60 so i know that applies to me

    29. pbanj
      08-24-2010
      10:48 PM
      29

      in an effort to save money sony reduced the amount of flash mem for the fw and moved the majority of it to the hdd in the newer models, the hdds are about the same they are all 2.5 sata hdds that spin at 5400rpm the only diff is storage space