Well that was fast. According to internet reports, it seems the first PS3 game, F1 2010, requires a firmware update of 3.42 to play. If you attempt to decline firmware update then you are returned back to the XMB. Of course playing around with the dumps file (param.sfo?) SHOULD allow us to bypass the firmware restriction.
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09-20-2010
07:10 PM
I have no doubt people will find a way to play 3.42 games on 3.41 or lower. It's not like 3.42 really added any features
09-20-2010
07:15 PM
I hope this now drives the chase to crack 3.42, seeing as I now find myself updated! But this is a very selfish attitude, and very bad of me.
One thing I find unbelievable is how quickly this has been taken to market. If genuine, this means the image was built, tested and manufactured extremely rapidly.
09-20-2010
07:17 PM
09-20-2010
07:20 PM
I doubt anyone will work on 3.42. 3.50 is out tonight in my region I believe so Your hope lies there.
09-20-2010
07:21 PM
It would be almost impossible to press all the games with the 3.42 firmware and release the game on time.
There is one option, that the firmware is an old version of the 3.42 and the jailbreak killer one is a mod of that version.
But there is nothing solid on that yet...
09-20-2010
07:22 PM
09-20-2010
07:25 PM
There could be 2 versions of 3.42... The one the game would have would possibly not contain the patch for the exploit, which would be great for us, but it wouldn't really matter since 3.50 is coming... Maybe everything is already planned >.<
09-20-2010
07:27 PM
Its a deadly game of cat and also cat.
09-20-2010
07:35 PM
OMG, cars? Updating now!!!
jkjkjk
09-20-2010
07:41 PM
so there is no 3.42 without the patch.
09-20-2010
07:53 PM
I'm pretty sure by deleting the folder PS_UPDAT you can get pass that firmware check!
someone should give it a try, or I'll try if I get a game requiring it
09-20-2010
07:54 PM
have confirmation that 3.42 update can be bypassed, and has already been.
Hackers +1
09-20-2010
08:10 PM
No need to panic, move along...
09-20-2010
08:17 PM
09-20-2010
08:25 PM
09-20-2010
08:36 PM
I'm pretty sure by deleting the folder PS_UPDAT you can get pass that firmware check!
someone should give it a try, or I'll try if I get a game requiring it
That would probably work, assuming there's nothing within the game code itself that runs a hash check on the on board firmware or something.
09-20-2010
08:50 PM
09-20-2010
09:09 PM
Actually there isnt anything in the game code itself that checks the firmware of the console. The game has nothing to do with the update system. The console itself checks the game directory for the folder and update file upon starting the game, when an update file is found its checked against the current firmware, if its higher it requires you to install and if not than you never receive any notice of it. Removing the folder or changing the update file to 3.41 will work fine.
09-20-2010
09:13 PM
This has been confirmed on psx-scene to be false. The guy was either very misinformed or was trolling.
09-20-2010
09:13 PM
I certainly don't care about this game, but I did win a copy of GT5 from Subway's contest. I should have that arrive right around it's November 2nd release... So I'm hoping by that point the scene has a firm handle on getting around these required updates, lest I have to wait with a copy of the biggest release of the year for the system (if not top 5 all time), with a PS3 in hand, unable to play it :/
Also hoping to have decided upon the best USB microcontroller solution and have it in hand at that point. I don't want to invest in something that will not continue to have the wide support of the scene, and I am having large trouble finding any comparison threads amongst all the options. I suspect in a few weeks time we shall see, as people receive all their originals and clones and knockoffs, which units are best reviewed.
I don't really want to do anything 'illegal', i guess by my terms, but what I would like is to eventually have OtherOS support, support for playing my PSP games on my PS3 (and I don't consider SNES, NES, Genesis, Dreamcast etc, dead systems as a moral emulation issue). I'd also like to see PS2 software emulation again, given my 30+ legit game library that I can't play anymore due to my dead launch day PS2. Oh, and streaming games off the drive should promote better load times. I'd also like better media support (through OtherOS if necessary) for MKV as well as others, and HTFS or other systems... So I don't have to freaking organize my library around my ps3. Ok, so it's a lot, but I have convidence in the scene.
09-20-2010
09:14 PM
09-20-2010
09:15 PM
so is there a way to play 3.42version game .
09-20-2010
09:17 PM
09-20-2010
09:32 PM
09-20-2010
09:38 PM
Regardless of this being fake. This will become reality very soon. Sony is super serious about this kinda stuff.
09-20-2010
10:27 PM
I upgraded my hard drive to a 500gb drive and when you do that you need to be able to have the same or higher firmware and install it. I had read parts of the agreement and using any way to by pass security features, hard or soft or to reverse engineer or make any derivative work of the sony code is against the LICENSE of using sony firmware. So we own the hardware but not the software on our machines.
So we need to be able to create a custom firmware that has no sony code and is not derived from any sony code, yet still plays games in order to do this legally.
I guess the next thing is to see if the games have the license restriction clause or find one that does not, then reverse engineer that game or software
I know this would be hard work and most people will not even want to attempt this, but if we want to be legit, it must happen other wise we are breaking contracts we agreed to. ( I for one will continue using home brew and Linux if we can get it going, even though)
09-20-2010
11:20 PM
We're fine until 3.50 comes out. Then it's either CFW or no new games since 3.50 will add API calls that aren't in 3.41/3.42. I doubt games will be using those calls for another few months though. Thing is, at this rate, CFW isn't really going anywhere. We need more people who actually want to work on stuff (maybe 5 people in IRC) instead of people who have no idea what they're talking about and want people to do everything for them (everyone who commented on this post).
09-20-2010
11:24 PM
If they get the JB ported to 3.15 that's definitely one game that could be used to test the theory of the FW check.
09-20-2010
11:36 PM
This is false: Sony spies involved to create confusion in the resistance....lol
09-20-2010
11:38 PM
09-21-2010
12:31 AM
09-21-2010
12:32 AM
09-21-2010
12:33 AM
I couldn't care less, that game look like arse anyway.
But I do hope to be able to play a legit BR or backup of GT5 someday.
09-21-2010
12:52 AM
09-21-2010
03:02 AM
there is more to the ps3 update process thatn just editing the sfo or chaning the pup file the task itself is controlled somewhere else in the ps3
and if a game it required to have an update there is hard to pass by this right now as edting the sfo wont work because once the ps3 checks the sfo
and it asks for a higher firmware you cant get thee message to go away by changing the sfo to a lower firmware version
this update checker is called before the ps3 will even take a look at the sfo or eboot.bin
i have tried this with my backup manager where i edited the param.sfo to read as 3.42 and it asked me to update but then i put the original param.sfo back and it still asked me to up date
from there i have tired it in both non jb mode and jb mode nothing but it asking me to update to 3.42
from there i deleted everything in the laun12345 folder(except gamez) including the eboot.bin and it still asks for the 3.42 update
this means that the task the controls the updates doesnt jsut stem from the sfo it stems from somehwere else withint the ps3
the only other thin i can think of is the pdb files in the task folder but idk their hex codes well enough to mess with them and even fi you delete them it will still ask u for the update.
09-21-2010
04:13 AM
Hey everyone,
I just found something out.
I was just trying some things with my GT5P Backup.
I changed it so, that it now requires 3.50.
And I think you can do it the other way round and make a game which really requires 3.50 to 1.50 or any other FW.
Greets
09-21-2010
04:25 AM
Changing .sfo to override FW requirements in an option for now, but the big question is what it going to happen when new games will start to call functions from newer versions of prx modules, therefore even the sfo trick won't work and we will need to find something else. I guess the only real answer to the issue is CFW... Let's see what the future brings us! I think (if not before) when GT5 comes out, we are going to see real SONY's response on there fight against backup games...
09-21-2010
04:27 AM
yes that is true but for the next few games it may work...
I think someone who want to buy one of those games could try that and tell us.
09-21-2010
06:55 AM
i think hackers will get around the fw checks with temporary solutions until CFW will appear.
why? i am sure most things will follow psp's suit as their software is quite similar (altho sony did learn a lot from psp hackers and were thus able to for so long time to keep the ps3 protected).. i'd guess a game launcher will appear similar to one created by MPH for psp that allowed playing 2.00 games on 1.50 fw. it had flash0 and flash1 from 2.00 fw and used those to sort of emulate 2.00 enviro or something, but only ingame. or maybe jaicrab's fw loader (or another app) will evolve into something like booster's devhook on psp and will allow us to run the fw completely from mass storage. however, both of these steps will require decrypting the firmwares and those things haven't been done yet. i hope some pioneers from psp scene will move onto ps3 as that'd give a great boost for the scene, they know their 5h1t. it's unfortunate dark_alex stopped as well.
-- or, possibly if the fws won't be decrypted anytime soon, we will be able to swap some prxs from older games, also editing sfo and possibly hexing the eboot.pbp.
time will tell.
09-21-2010
08:23 AM
There are reports that F1 2010 is 3.41 actually, so the rumor is false.
09-21-2010
09:53 AM
Its loading fine on 3.41. Not asking to update the FW.
But the PS3 controllers isnt working.
09-21-2010
10:25 AM
some people game work with 3.41 need a wheel to play
09-21-2010
11:02 AM
I told everyone on this site that this was going to happen days ago, as I was informed by a PS3 game developer a week ago or more that this was going to happen.
When I posted a thread to tell everyone the moderator was like big deal of course they will do this at some point. I was like, "No they have done it."
Then he called the thread pointless and closed it.
Now here it is a week later and they are doing full coverage on it, but are saying "internet reports" say a certain game can't be played..... bull****.
I told them....
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It's a fact, I know this 100 %
09-21-2010
11:05 AM
09-21-2010
11:07 AM
09-21-2010
11:09 AM
09-21-2010
11:12 AM
Butt Hurt ? You mean ass rape ? You must be 12. What ass rape ?
Comparing what a moderator did to me and what your BF makes you feel
like after sex isn't really fair.
I mean come on, all I tried to do is help where I can and I've taken nothing but **** for it it seems from like everyone on this site.
That makes you knobs, not me :thefinger:
09-21-2010
11:35 AM
09-21-2010
11:39 AM
Right, I understand that and of course they are going to do it.
I guess everyone just wants to pretend that they haven't already taken the measures, but will.
Should I calm down? Maybe if people were a little less dickish I'd have a reason to be chill. I really don't care for the politics on this site... it's full of **** heads. Good bye !
09-21-2010
11:41 AM
and thats something micro****e dont actually do luckily, if ya cant play it on ps3 then download it for 360...
its no real biggie and its obvious this would be the case anyhow, i dont need a 12yo kid to tell me what we already knew, in fact the kids post above he is trying to claim he knew this that and the other a week ago LOL, you didnt at all pal it just fell into place for you thats all so stop the bs already.
I cant think of 1 person that didnt realise certain games in the past needed the update to play, updateing before game release was never an issue as we just did it and didnt really care.
so now we totally rely on the FW being properly decoded.
if its not you all do understand all piracy from now onwards kinda stops simply because you will only ever be able to play GAMES BEFORE YESTERDAY.
as for playing gt5 you could always just buy the ones you care about most and use PSJB for the other older stuff or use your 360. simples.
Spinifex.
09-21-2010
11:53 AM
I'm a 30 year old married man that owns 3 business, and the businesses make more money than you've probably seen in your life.
Oh, and I knew on Saturday Sept 21 2010... yeah cuz it's so hard to believe someone on a PS3 haxs site would know a PS3 game developer.
You dorks seem to be missing the point, this is not a ****ing guessing game I'm telling you it happened. Like it's news, not like I' guessing or saying that you didn't know it would happen... just confirming it did.
Nothing you can say can change that fact.
Yeah I'm so smart, lol I really think I'm sharing something new with you guys that you weren't smart enough to figure was going to happen.
You guys are argonaut, and are not half as bright as you think you are.
09-21-2010
12:00 PM
theres also no need to get into an ar5e over hacking, im also meself not jumping up and dwn that today i finally jailbroke my ps3, im just glad i did to see what all the fuss was about thats all, i could not care less what happens to the ps3 but it does look rather exciting and promising.
The ps3 scene will only survive if more leaks happen from sony and not just some kid writing progs. sony mucked up and we took it by storm, was it intentional or was it a mistake?
who cares its all just funny...
chill if you want or dont chill it does not matter to the community so grow up act your age and play your games.
Spinifex.
p.s been on many forums and the scene for long enough to know what i know. im a good person and love debates too hehe
p.p.s all the money in the world cant make you happy! since you would have no challenges left in your life to achieve.
09-21-2010
12:02 PM
Sure, I mean I love to debate, but I don't call the comments other children were marking about me on here a debate... maybe if you were in grade 7.
I hear yeah though.... still pisses me off.
09-21-2010
12:07 PM
i guess you either have it or you dont with programming and what not. tho PSJB was down mainly to a f*up by sony and then got hijacked by hackers, well we call them hackers they are just people in this case that simply exploited a hole in the fw.
grab yourself a beer and keep checking back, its what i do m8, i only pipe up when i see fit.
Spin.
09-21-2010
12:34 PM
In fact as we speak I'm teaching myself to use an IR Re work station.
I'm really hoping it helps me finish paying for all the schooling I need, as even with businesses that make money the eduction I'm getting is vast and therefor 3 time more expensive than most.
Sure there are very smart people out there, but kids aren't them.
Kids lack the logic required to make proper judgments and that affects their learning greatly... I know I was there.
On the other hand, people over all would be much much smarter if they continued learning new things through out there lives and used the mistakes of youth as a point of growth.
09-21-2010
12:56 PM
I am sure everyone has a lot of things to say about his life, but wouldn't it be great if we keep this topic clean for an ontopic discussion? Don't take it as an offense, but we are still trying to understand what is going on with this game and whether it is actually a 3.42 game.
Internet sources are saying the starting rumour was fake cause there is a copy of the game around the net with no require for 3.42. But it hasn't been clear yet if that release has a changed .sfo in order to make it work on 3.41 and, yet, it's not sure whether the widely encountered issue of "Controller not found" for the game is actually a result of a bad rip, or something that has to do with real 3.42 requirement for the game (maybe a call to a slightly changed input module for 3.42+?).
Anyone actually bought this game, should share some info with us (an original unchanged .sfo would be great)...
09-21-2010
02:02 PM
I just played it. and i can confirm it works on 3.41
09-21-2010
03:06 PM
Did you play it from the Internal or the external drive?
With the org. ps3 controller or a wheel?
Had any issues with the game freezing when saving?
09-21-2010
03:11 PM
easy when a game comes out that requires 3.42 we back it up in external hard drive and edit the files so we can play it at 3.41...
PS: theres must be a files that says 3.42 or something
09-21-2010
03:15 PM
09-21-2010
03:34 PM
09-21-2010
03:38 PM
Yeah. it freezes on the loading screen here to, when running from external.
From internal it starts, but after det codemaster intro,
it request you to connect a ps3 controller.
From the PS Jailbreak Compatibility List:
09-21-2010
04:07 PM
Soo, is this going to be a trend with new games? (req. 3.42fw) or just some?
Thanx in advance!
09-21-2010
04:17 PM
its going to be a trend, but will be patchable. I found it hard to believe that the game doesn't run because it needs the update... the update doesn't introduce anything new :S it has to be an incompatibility with backup manager or whatever, like those games that don't boot. a good way to test this would be using that method of booting backups from dvd, i don't know the file size but that might work?!
09-22-2010
12:20 PM
According to a tester in another (german) forum the game even requests a controller if it is started from the original Bluray in devmode.
So it has obviously nothing to do with the BM or the game itself, but with the devmode or psgroove.
Am I right?
09-22-2010
12:38 PM
09-23-2010
04:29 AM
Hi I backed up the game twice internally and both times the intro starts then it says connect controller. I can confirm that without the break on the game works on 3.41 fm.
09-24-2010
05:38 PM
Game works, from Internal HD, using wheel only. Tested using both BM1 and BM2, using disc inside.
Saving is a problem, gives an error, unfortunately. But was able to play multiple races just fine.
Had the problem with the game freezing during initial name setup, deleted files and reinstalled, worked ok after that.
Going to try DVD-R DL, doubt it'll work..
09-28-2010
01:09 PM
what i must do with PARAM.SFO if i wanna play F1 2010
???
this game work with Dualshock 3 sixaxis????
Big THX for anser