Remember a bit ago we told you about the sixaxis PS3 port that was in development? Well now have a proof of concept video up:
Details are scarce, but we are told by Hasuky that we can expect a release tomorrow.
To quote:
Starting by telling you, not to say bad words for those many people that maybe criticize the work of others without having done any research or evidence. I feel sorry for these people and for those who doubted in this project: I’ve spent a bit of my time and achieved what I wanted to do, not having a separate usb device, I wanted to run from the command Psgroove Sixsaxis and step be updatable via PC with just the controller and a USB cable for your bad luck has made the video I’m uploading it now takes a bit because my connection is shared. If you wait about 30 minutes more or less what you see, long time I was interested by the different consoles, as amended. I tell you to cool something that was the first to repair a bad nand extracted from a xbox 360, I have a couple of tutorials that many served him. And thanks to EOL and many people who make this forum what is now really. Tomorrow I will have to make the tutorial and make the respective tests.
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09-25-2010
11:36 AM
I just bought a PS3KEY... awesome...
09-25-2010
11:36 AM
Wow, it would make everyone able to join the ps3 jb boat. Nice!!!
09-25-2010
11:36 AM
6 seconds into the video you can clearly see there is a button or switch on the back of the controller.
Fake? Yup
09-25-2010
11:36 AM
some sexy piece of info thats for sure!
09-25-2010
11:39 AM
This is sooo fake... But I would truly like it isn't.
09-25-2010
11:39 AM
SONY now just cry!!!!
09-25-2010
11:41 AM
'6 seconds into the video you can clearly see there is a button or switch on the back of the controller.
Fake? Yup"
yeah but it could be a reset button ?
09-25-2010
11:41 AM
Nice, but I got only one controller. Does psgroove require to run only once or like psjb a device must be connected every time on boot? Sorry for such a stupid question, but I don't remember.
09-25-2010
11:45 AM
not an easy mod i think.
maybe we have to open the sixaxis to make it.
tomorrow we will know ...
09-25-2010
11:46 AM
No when you launch the jb you can plugoff the jb device.
This author have not say if it's only software or hardware/software modification.
So wait tomorrow after saying "OMG it's another fake".
09-25-2010
11:49 AM
Please! Please! be true.
I also read somewhere that the button of the back could be a rapid fire button
09-25-2010
11:59 AM
nice background audio :D
09-25-2010
12:03 PM
stick in controller wired to a button switch underneath wired to the mini usb port, fake but nice mod
lets see inside
09-25-2010
12:22 PM
Here's me waiting paitently for an IPT2G port when this comes along.
I'm desperately hoping this isn't fake, I can't bear all these hacking stories without being able to try some!
09-25-2010
12:31 PM
either A) faked by putting a small enough AVR micro controller board inside the Sixaxis and adding a button to the bottom of the Controller (visible at ~0:06) to toggle between regular functionality and the internal Teensy/whatever
or B) real, but it requires you to open up the controller and do some soldering / modding, since there's clearly a switch/button visible at the bottom of the controller, it could be a requirement for the hack to work though
I hope tomorrow we'll see if it's real or not, I for one wouldn't mind to do some soldering. I have an old spare non-dualshock3 Sixaxis at hand anyway and I was about to order an AT90USB162, resitors, condensators, etc. for soldering my own custom Teensy. Now I'm gonna put it on hold until this is confirmed fake or real.
09-25-2010
12:32 PM
i can't spot any switch or whatever you guys are talking about, i am not screaming fake on this one just yet.
09-25-2010
12:36 PM
Some guy said that button under is a rapid fire mod type thing is that true? never seen one before =/
09-25-2010
12:37 PM
I believe its just a rapidfire button.
Oh no that ps3 hacker has a modded controller! That video must surely be fake!!!
09-25-2010
12:40 PM
I'm not sure if it's a rapid fire button though, have a look how he holds the controller once he triggers the exploit, it really looks like he has to hold this button at the back of the controller while he's booting up the PS3. (see my theories above)
[edit]: He obviously presses the button during bootup, just have a look at ~2:25 ... once the PS3 theme shows up you can clearly seen AND even hear how he releases the button (I'm just saying :D)
09-25-2010
12:41 PM
He's a fake..
Here's a screengrab I took when he shows the back of it..
Notice how quick he flips the controller..?
Link to pic here..
09-25-2010
12:50 PM
Oh no doubt hes holding something down. To me it looks like the up button. This would be more logical then added circuitry.
09-25-2010
12:51 PM
Damn, guys, just have a little faith in him. I mean, he did say that he was releasing this tomorrow. So let's just keep the badmouthing down for a bit; at least until tomorrow.
09-25-2010
12:53 PM
09-25-2010
12:57 PM
FAKE!!!!
What's the freaking hole you hid it?? Around 6s you show the "hole" and after that you cover it.. IT IS fake!!
Also, the controller isn't charging with the USB cable... Fake by all means!
09-25-2010
01:00 PM
It could be a button so he dosent have to hit the power and eject button at startup.
Lol at the sounds of a third world country in the background
09-25-2010
01:00 PM
thanks for the screen cap! well that might be real, i mean he doesn't said it won't need hardware mod. why would you think this would only be plug to the pc to flash, it wouldn't be that easy in my opinion.
09-25-2010
01:19 PM
yes i can see the button on the back...or at least thats what i think it is. the video is grainy. I cant see y someone would go thru all the work it would have required to faking this video without something large to gain...i still have high hope for tomorrow!
09-25-2010
01:19 PM
FAKE! the dev just said it, he said that it's a MOD, He just put a microcontroller within the controller lol
BTW, sorry about my bad english
09-25-2010
01:24 PM
hey gyus.
this is a rapid fire mod.
here's the PDF to do the same (4Mo)
http://www.2shared.com/document/R1oy...ps8D9Btmp.html
09-25-2010
01:27 PM
some of you guys are so cynical. give the freakin guy a break. there have been new breakthroughs every day in this scene. yet there are still doubters and haters. i find that ridiculous. i'll believe it until its proven fake.
09-25-2010
01:41 PM
AND YES, WE CAN ALL SEE THE BUTTON THING IN THE VIDEO 6 SECONDS INTO THE VIDEO! No need to repeat it. Damn.
09-25-2010
01:46 PM
if you guys would just go read that thread you might just answer some of these questions yourselves. From what i could get from using googles translator it sounds like there will be soldering involved. He said something about 8 spots of soldering but he also said it wont cost you anything. He is getting alot of flak on that board too so it sounds like he is working on the tutorial right now and will post it soon. People are so quick to yell fake, do some research and relax a bit!
09-25-2010
01:50 PM
perhaps its a button combo to initiate the loading of the jig :D hopefully its easy enough to do ^_^
09-25-2010
02:20 PM
I'll hold my breath until tomorrow. Hope it's real.
09-25-2010
03:03 PM
Back on topic, I understand why people are make a big deal about the "FAKE" screaming. I mean, most of those people are the ones still waiting for a port (particularly those who were so desperately waiting for the PSP port) I do not condone it, but I understand it. I hope this guy is genuine and I definitely will be pulling out my soldering iron for this tomorrow. :aetsch:
09-25-2010
03:21 PM
09-25-2010
03:44 PM
09-25-2010
03:50 PM
I think its true and I hope I can do the mod if it needs.
09-25-2010
03:54 PM
09-25-2010
03:58 PM
I was just reading on PSX-Scene, apparently it will require some soldering. They sourced the info from Elotrolado.
Edit: Sorry meant to say PSX-Scene not PS3Hax lol >_>
09-25-2010
04:07 PM
its good to know it can be done.
im happy with my xplain but it cant hurt to make this hack available to everyone who cant afford/get another option.
if its true = best port ever
if its not = no great loss.
09-25-2010
04:33 PM
how do you know that the button isnt needed to be held so it acts as a psjailbreak?? i think thats what its for.
09-25-2010
04:38 PM
Well put japsander, this would be the most exciting news yet, we will just have to wait till tomorrow when somone from ps3hax.com confirmes it working. Either way i'm very excited!!
09-25-2010
04:44 PM
This so called button if yall rember the orginal post long ago it had a pic.
http://www.ps3hax.net/wp-content/upl.../dsc00034k.jpg
clearly stated on the picture is a reset button. would it not be hard to assume that he had to make a external reset button?
09-25-2010
04:59 PM
I always look at this kind of news pessimistic!
Of course it would be great, if this is real but if not than it will not be a huge smash in my face.
So what I wanted to say is, keep cool and don´t wait hours in front of your PCs!
PS: This is my first post :D
cheers fenomeno0chris
09-25-2010
05:05 PM
i have respect for you already my friend
09-25-2010
05:17 PM
I Already Ordered My PS3Break Doongel For $24, But If This Works I Think Im Going To Return It. Hope It Work, Good Thing I Got A Backup ;P
Cheers!
09-25-2010
05:30 PM
why would someone make that neat-looking button just to fake people? i dont see the point. Just get your hope up, i wont hurt at the end, nice job to whoever making effors to post this
09-25-2010
05:38 PM
Unfortunately my first post is to say this:
It's just me or no one else repair in the 56s bug..
I will cry to my room now...
take care!
09-25-2010
05:45 PM
hope its true because thats the only way i have to jb my ps3
09-25-2010
06:08 PM
Now this is interesting ! It is inevitable that Sony would have to roll out the stops to discourage people from using the JailBreak style solutions. But if it really is possible to use the SIXAXIS to the same effect, then Sony are going to have to give us FREE GAMES to try to get us to update. They would also have to make new, unprogrammable SIXAXIS pads, and give us even more incentive to buy these. Lets hope that Hasuky is a man of integrity and honor, and not another sensationalist.
Awesome site BTW ppl ! My first stop for PS3 news !
09-25-2010
06:30 PM
Guys everyone at elotrolado.net are saying this is partially fake. Because according to them they have discovered this mod only involves putting a pic or avr chip inside the six-asis so there isn't any hack at all just a simple hardware mod to fit a chip inside, so don't get your hopes up.
09-25-2010
06:30 PM
You can see its fake :D
look the first 6 seconds :D a button behind the controller? lol first he show the back from the controller and than fast the front and after that he put a finger on the black button behind the controller to hide it :D lol? wtf :D
09-25-2010
06:32 PM
Can't wait. Also who are these people that troll around posting FAKE on everything, like WTF, really? I bet those same people were like FAKE when the original boot keys were announced what a buncha fags. If it is fake, fine, but you people seem to post fake on everything.
09-25-2010
06:38 PM
not taking anyones side about the dispute if it's fake or not, i will just wait and see, if it works = truly awesome
if not = eh
09-25-2010
06:59 PM
no body knows anything yet so stop posting that its a fake! Just cause you cant do it does not mean it cant be done. The guys on elotorado are say the exact same crap everyone else is, they dont know anything either.
09-25-2010
07:09 PM
Does it contain any extra components besides the ones already inside the original controller? I don't know, but that doesn't really matter. This is a great hardware mod, that eliminates having some calculator, usb stick, phone .... lying around. Who knows, knowing how the chinese market works we might even see Chinese controllers popping up with this build in already.
Nice mod Hasuky, good work
I just hope the mod won't be hard to do.
09-25-2010
07:19 PM
i'm leaning toward this being a teensy in an old sixaxxis with a dpdt momentary switch that just allows the teensy access to the usb while the button is depressed. cause it seems to look like he's holding down the button while powering on the ps3 doing the power / eject then once the exploit is loaded, he releases the button, removes the usb cable then powers up the controller to show the exploit and controller works.
after rewatching the video, i notice he doesn't remove the usb cable, but during the power on sequence with the controller attached and while he's holding the back button, the controller receives no signal and lights up no lights on the controller. it's only after he releases the back button and hits the ps button to power up the controller do the controller power leds light up. this leads me to believe it's just a switch and a teensy board in the controller.
09-25-2010
07:23 PM
might be, and why is that a bad hardware mod?
If you check the internet for hardware mods on other consoles then you'll see worse mods then that. Ok, in that case you would still need a teensy to do it, but it's still a nice mod in my book.
09-25-2010
08:48 PM
some guy in some god forsaken country (who happens to own a ps3?), is making efforts to waste your time by creating a fake and yet is dumb enough to show you a switch hidden underneath the controller, while at the same time he could be working his ass off to feed his children?
let me guess Sony payed him, and that noise in the background is some weird laugh at the people his going to piss off.
09-25-2010
09:47 PM
He said explicitly in the source thread at elotrolado.net, though in spanish, that the mod will require 8 solder points. He said nothing about additional hardware, though with 8 solder points I'm imagining we will have to solder more than just a momentary switch...
I clarify, as with any MOD there will have to be some soldering done to the controller board, nothing complicated, just 8 of them
09-25-2010
09:54 PM
09-25-2010
10:31 PM
Yesterday I bought a nice ps3 break, many free games
09-25-2010
11:56 PM
09-26-2010
12:11 AM
Video has been removed...
09-26-2010
12:13 AM
09-26-2010
12:16 AM
09-26-2010
12:19 AM
video is up again, he just removed the audio and reuploaded it
YouTube - Psgroove Sixaxis ps3
09-26-2010
01:11 AM
everyone telling that this is Fake - did you really think that you could use your Sixaxis with PSGroove without opening it? It was sure that we are going to solder something in the Sixaxis, don't be sceptics when something new comes and don't be such BIG optimistics (I won't do nothing, others will give me everything) when you should get something for free.
09-26-2010
01:26 AM
the button in the back cud possibly be a rapidfire mod button
POSSIBLY
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why is the video suddenly remove it was up earlier 2day
09-26-2010
02:04 AM
the XPLAIN is what you need.
two left here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...STRK:MESELX:IT
09-26-2010
02:38 AM
THEORIES
* At the moment the PS3 controller is listed as a possible but unconfirmed installation of the PSGroove.
CONFIRMED
* The SIXAXIS control features an EEPROM memory which allows its Programming.
* The name of the Micro is:
15UM3EFG-001 TOSHIBA
JAPAN0703EG1
F0194ZAF
* Connecting via USB LEDs operate without the battery connected to the SIXAXIS, that should mean that the board has its own autonomy through the USB.
09-26-2010
03:28 AM
Well today is here, i wonder what time.....
I'm hopeful though very doubt this will be the real deal.
Only time will tell if this what we have all been waiting for.
09-26-2010
03:35 AM
this mod is based on PsgrooPic.
http://www.elotrolado.net/hilo_guia-...is-ps3_1492833
the guide is under construction.
sorry for my engilsh.
09-26-2010
03:57 AM
this seems really dumb to me. From what i understand of the translation you have to order a micro controller and put it in the sixaxes controller.. solder etc.. lame.. I think this would be cool and worth the anticipation IF you didnt have to modify the controller, or at the very most you only had to bridge a couple wires inside but to have to put the hack inside the controller case, it makes it seem a bit pointless to me... NEXT! try again.. From what ive read "the SIXAXIS controller does have a programmable EEPROM built into it" so once we have the controller itself doing the break then this news is lame.
09-26-2010
04:07 AM
well the tutorial that we waited for is kind ov out, but its not what expected.
doesnt make no sense to me.
reading through it its not really a hack, just more like a mod.
09-26-2010
04:11 AM
Good to finally know that it's basically an additional uC inside the Sixaxis that is used for the actual exploiting, this is not what we have been waiting for. I'll just stick to my original plan of ordering an Duemilanove uC board the upcoming week.
:aetsch: Ze Siksaxises, zey do nozing :aetsch:
09-26-2010
04:12 AM
where do we find this tutorial?
09-26-2010
04:21 AM
its still a good mod.
nobody can deny it even if it does require additional hardware.
lets face it, theres less chance of losing it and its in a good strong housing
09-26-2010
04:24 AM
not that what we waiting for ... but still a good work ! *thumbs-up*
09-26-2010
04:24 AM
I have to agree with japsander here. no one said that it didn't need any modification or soldering or anything, so lets just wait, i might do this to my controller too, it will be one more jailbreaking device.
09-26-2010
04:25 AM
not that what we expected ... but still a good work *thumbs up*
09-26-2010
04:34 AM
Well look real to me all be it a bit complex but i will get the parts together and give it a go hopefully by that time there will be a bit more detailed walkthrough and confirmed working cos i only have 1 controler cant aford to kill it
09-26-2010
05:11 AM
Spanish to English translation
This Mod is based on a pic 18F2550 PsgrooPic with Sixaxis PS3 controller adapted to take into account that will comply with 2 main functions:
Ps3 launch debug mode without losing any original settings and also be updatable.
Clarified, as any MOD is to make use of solder on the board of control, nothing complicated, only 8 of them.
Materials:
* 1 PS3 Sixaxis Control (in my case I have one of a pack of 80g without vibration, worth also for the Dualshock 3 but I have not tested).
* 1 Pic 18F2550 and have a list to create a Picgroove both components as the programmer. In EOL there are many tutorials about it, I personally used the scheme th0rin in version 1.2, ie PSGroo 1.2.pdf. Also do you can see from this link: hilo_tutorial-psgroopic-developer-home-schema-elsemi_1484968_s580 in a quote from our friend calvo225, follow all the steps until you have the pic set. I recommend the program developer Art2003 WinPic800 NOTE: The pin 26 has to go to ground if you selected the option LVP tab WinPIC800 Config. If not used the LVP option, not necessary.
* Cable for posts (use data cable for hard disk ide 80-wire very pratico and a single hair.
* Soldering iron, tin, scissors, paste flux, etc.
Construction:
We take the pic and the file previously scheduled PSGrooPIC_wBTL_HEX_V1.5.hex all legs will bend to fit it neatly into a place of control:
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This is the place you got the pic goes perfect, put the legs, facing away
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And seeing where it goes our pic we took, we cut pieces of ide cable no more than 5 cm. And proceed to solder the points: 1,8,9,10,13,14,15,16,19,20,25,26 one for each point. Remember that the pic is looking out the points 15,16,19,20, 25 and 26 are below the pic and would have to fold them up, nothing complicated for the other points is easier as they are in the superior.
Now we have to weld all the components necessary for the Pic:
2 resistance of 10 k.
1 330 ohm resistor.
1 Capacitor of 220 or 470 nf.
2 22 pf capacitors.
1 Crystal 8, 12, or 20 mhz.
1 Capacitor 100 nF.
1 LED (any color, I have not installed).
POSE follow this outline for easy interpretation
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Using pieces of ide cable to connect a pic, the theme of Jumper and DC outputs, D, D, and leave enough cable GRN about 10 cm or so to be comfortable installation whether to cut it short. The LED do not place out and I do not think it takes, now if someone wants to put it, in this photo show more or less as it should be before welding something I also can find another way to put to me was the best I found:
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CLARIFICATION:
Before welding something in command must prove that it works correctly pic I connect to the outputs VCC, D, D, and GRN USB connector and see if I tore the exploit, if all goes well we proceed to the step of welding at the helm, the points are marked with colors that are welded to the plate as is without changing anything.
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See diagram that goes as everything goes online are simple welds, in the part of JUMPER must draw the two lines and put in the right stick button (THIS IS TO UPDATE THE PIC FOR FUTURE UPDATES PSGROOVE).
In the top right Note that there is an extension of the RESET button I have elongated and have added a switch that is adapted to the control unit had to use a Dremel to fit it and leave it outside (this is the most important of all for that the action cancels any usb functionality sends ushering in the Exploit). Authorities recommend any place to plug insulators between the wires, the pic and mini usb connector to ensure proper operation.
Operation
* To start the Xploit just put the usb cable to the console and controller, previously turned off and turned the console on the back button after having pressed the RESET button and then press the POWER button then the button to activate Ejeta DEBUG, wait until you leave the logo of the console, you can remove the knob and press the PS button (the middle of the panel with the initials PS, look for games and you'll see two folders that indicate that everything went well.
* To update the PIC must have these programs installed on your PC:
*
1. vcredist_x86.exe
2. dotNetFx40_Full_setup.exe
After installing run the program:
3. HIDbootloader.exe
which is responsible for programming the pic, put the usb cable on the remote simultaneously acontinuación have tightened RESET button and left stick button (reset button is to disable any USB activity in the control and the left analog stick makes its way to activate the bootloader mode of the pic) and have fulfilled that is enough to install the other end of the usb cable to pc. The program will automatically detect the device. The same is done at the beginning of the Institute prior to installation on the remote to program. Hex of the exploit, the program's interface is very easy to interpret.
Note: do this only when we have a new update for Pic, we must take into account that you have installed the latest updates and we can play without a disc inside (in some cases there are games that deserve it.)
Well so far all for now, I hope for something to serve this project for me has been very encouraging to have done it despite the bad reviews I've had thanks to all who supported me and the team of Eol.
Greetings
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For anyone to lazy to read my above post it is confirmed on eltorado's site that we will need extra hardware to complete this mod.
09-26-2010
06:48 AM
A clever mod indeed, but not that special after you read what he did and how it works. Basically this will work with quite any custom made PsGroove board schematics out there from what I can see. You simply need to connect the 4 USB pins of the PsGroove board to the Sixaxis controller USB connector pins.
Other than that you need to solder two cables to the pins of the Sixaxis' "reset" button and attach another button to them, which needs to be outside the casing in the end so you can press it during startup of the console.
By pressing the (now external) "reset" button you disable all of the USB functionality of the Sixaxis and only the PsGroove board will be able to exchange USB data with the PS3. Once the Exploit is finished you can release the reset button and power on the Sixaxis.
On a side note:
Since I'm really interested in trying this mod out myself I've just opened my old Sixaxis and to me it seems that the creator of the tutorial is not using an official Sony Controller to do it (or maybe one of the very first revisions of the official one). At least if I have a look at my own Sixaxis compared to the pictures that are contained in the tutorial, most of the soldering pins of my own Sixaxis are much much smaller (tiny!) compared to the ones visible at the tutorial. I'm just trying to say that if you want to do this with an original Sony controller, you'll need to have a very steady hand and fast soldering skills when you solder the cables to the reset button pins of the Sixaxis. Otherwise you'll end up destroying/unsoldering a SMD capacitor that is located right beside the button or the LEDs on the other side of the board.
vs.
(the reset button is labeled "SW2" in the right upper corner, and right beside it is the mentioned capacitor C12)
Here are the already known schematics of the Teensy boards: http://www.*******.com/images/img_22463.jpg
As far as I can tell this mod will work with any of these.
[edit]:
I've just checked the pin layout of the reset button, and actually the pins on the left should do the trick, therefore you can use these to connect your switch to without coming near the tiny and fragile SMD capacitor on the right.
Just another hint ... if you are actually wanting to do this mod, you might as well just connect the reset button cables to some onboard buttons instead of adding an ugly external switch/button. I for one would maybe connect the L3, R3, Start and Select buttons instead, but I'll have to do some voltage measuring before I can confirm that this would work.
Cheers
09-26-2010
08:25 AM
this will be good for all the people with none of the other dongles, phones and other devices that can do the exploit....................sudeki300
09-26-2010
08:45 AM
Hey guyys, come on, I don`t think it`s a PORT on Sixaxis controller...It`s just takes the USB by soldering some wires...
Ok, trying to use the Sixaxis controller as a port is a very good idea, but let`s try by Right way that we have to remember that ps3 fw 3.50 has disabled almost USB devices that`s not signed by Sony.
We have to make a workarround and take sixaxis advantage to by pass using the controller sony`s signature !
regards,
saormart.
09-26-2010
08:52 AM
This workaround is highly feasible if you have common knowledge of soldering. I will give it a go later on. See what i can do to get it working. I am highly aware the consequences of this mod, it does not bother me that i may end up with a lemon controller. I have to work today so it will not be done until after i get off. in about 10 or so hours. So give me roughly 15 hours and i will report back with my results.
Now where did i stick my soldering iron? :D
09-26-2010
09:25 AM
After this unspectacular news, I decide to buy a new stick, for hacking my PS3!
But the problem is, that I dont know which stick to buy. Ive looked around on the internet and youll find a lot of sticks out there.
So which stick is the best?
It should be upgradeble!
Could you sent a Link where I can buy that stick?
cheers fenomeno0chris
09-26-2010
09:28 AM
i ordered at90usb1287 2 weeks ago and it will arrive in 8/10/2010 should i cancel the order or continue with it by the way i updated to 3.42
i think with this new mod i dont need at90usb key anymore what u guys think
09-26-2010
09:49 AM
@dodo815
you seriously updated to 3.42?
if so you may as well cancel as you wont be jailbreaking it anytime soon.
@fenomeno0chris
i would recomment the atavrxplain just for the flash size. more than enough for any future payloads. its a bit bigger than the others but i like it.
09-26-2010
11:54 AM
Where is the guy with the solution for the controller , said today will release the tutorial but nothing happens ! I think is not real what him say ! To bad !
10-02-2010
09:41 AM
If that is possible than I could use my second controller made by Snakebyte, right? Finally is it fake or not since there are no new posts in last few days.