• PS3 Hacks , 27.09.2010

    garyopa over at PSX-Scene has posted an interesting article today, releasing many possible recent court documents.

    To quote:

    In this boring legal filings by Sony, it now covers not just PSJailbreak, but also names PSGroove, PSFreedom, OpenPSJailbreak, and they have filed printouts from various blogs, forums, with comments and tutorials people have been writing up on how to use these various programs. They even mention of course the phone ports & TI84 calc. hacks.

    Sony is using this information, to get the courts to order up faster service, to force the various ISP’, Domain Register’s, and Web Hosting Services to give up the personal info on their clients so that can serve more court papers on those people, and issue DMCA takedown notices to shut down various sites.

    So for the Judge has only granted one order so far, this one is directed to YAHOO! to within 5 business days to turn over all the information they have on a [email protected], all IP’s he used to access his mail, his personal info stored by Yahoo, his email of course, and other logs.

    This E-Mail address is the one that was used to rent the mail-drop box in Texas used by http://shoppsjailbreak.com as their virtual office for orders, shipments, registering the domain name, etc.

    Recently, that above name site which also goes under the company name of Zoomba stop using the “.com” domain and now is operating under a http://shoppsjailbreak.net domain. — Plus also the http://psjailbreakcanada.com site which seems to point IP wise to the older site, has suddenly been changed to DOJ/IPR/ICE notice that has been used in the past for “Torrent/Movie” site take-downs!

    Anyhow, here is all the public court documents you can read thru them now, and see just what SCEA has been printing out about yourself online, they are asking the court they need to findout the true identify of everyone that sells, makes, offers for sale, or even has just knowledge of the real people behind any project called PSJailbreak, PSGroove, OpenPSJailbreak, PSFreedom.

    Don’t be surprized if the next few days, you see less sites online, or you find yourself answering the door to a person serving you a Summons to Appear! — The good reading stuff is the PDF’s called Exhibit or Exhibits!

    You can see all the documents at the source below:
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  • 89 Comments

    1. calnorak
      09-27-2010
      10:02 PM
      1

      lame!!! It is annoying they would pull this kind of stunt. Oh well. at least this will be interesting, that is for sure

    2. yiyopr
      09-27-2010
      10:06 PM
      2

      I'm afraid to even comment on this page now!

    3. Lurkhard
      09-27-2010
      10:06 PM
      3

      We'll Sony can screw themselves if they try going after homebrew app makers. I could care less about "Psjailbreak retailers" I use my ps3 for legitimate uses, and actually purchase my games, but if they start going after everyone that's ridiculous.

    4. ALEXIIT
      09-27-2010
      10:11 PM
      4

      Wow, this shows how desparate sony are getting..

    5. indecks
      09-27-2010
      10:12 PM
      5

      Ah sony. You only make me want to buy less of your products.

    6. gatz85
      09-27-2010
      10:12 PM
      6

      And the flood gates where opened!!!!

    7. lessthanzach
      09-27-2010
      10:15 PM
      7

      There is nothing illegal about creating Homebrew apps that don't in any way support piracy. I can definitely see them going after software creators who are giving capabilities to people to pirate games, but some of us would rather use this exploit to port emulators, create a more open operating system to enhance the functionality of the system and maybe unlock better file compatibility (.mkv files anybody??). There is no reason to go through this much headache to take down everyone who is creating means to do these things, especially since I'm sure a lot more people will buy the system now just because they now know that they can do what they want with it now. WTF SONY?

    8. KillerBug
      09-27-2010
      10:22 PM
      8

      There isn't even anything wrong with using the Backup Manager...so long as you answer the questions within honestly.

      I really don't care about the people selling ports for $50...but I do care about the people behind PS Groove...I have never met them or known anything about them, other than the obvious fact that they support freedom, and they did not try to make money on providing freedom.

    9. Cyberxion
      09-27-2010
      10:27 PM
      9

      No doubt. All I've used my PS3Key to do so far is play around with the SNES emulator (Which works great! :D). I'm not interested in piracy. I've got a stack of games that I'm sure I'll keep adding to just the same as if this exploit had never come out. That said, this is way too hostile a move for my tastes. Sony has already lost me as a customer whether or not I ever get a summons personally. Besides, I'm not so sure I like the message that Sony is sending here, that purchasing the console doesn't actually mean that you own it. If I spend $400 on something, I can damn well do what I please with it and Sony can screw themselves if they don't like it.

    10. ZanderCross
      09-27-2010
      10:40 PM
      10

      XBOX 720 is sounding good right about now...

    11. YungClipze
      09-27-2010
      10:50 PM
      11

      Lol Wait so if we have any homebrew on our ps3 Sonys goin come after us?

    12. ShortFuse
      09-27-2010
      10:51 PM
      12

      What about United States Code, Title 17:1201 section IV:

      The Librarian of Congress has announced the classes of works subject to the exemption from the prohibition against circumvention of technological measures that control access to copyrighted works. Persons making noninfringing uses of the following six classes of works will not be subject to the prohibition against circumventing access controls (17 U.S.C. 1201(a)(1)) until the conclusion of the next rulemaking.

      [...]

      (4) Video games accessible on personal computers and protected by technological protection measures that control access to lawfully obtained works, when circumvention is accomplished solely for the purpose of good faith testing for, investigating, or correcting security flaws or vulnerabilities, if:

      (i) The information derived from the security testing is used primarily to promote the security of the owner or operator of a computer, computer system, or computer network; and
      (ii) The information derived from the security testing is used or maintained in a manner that does not facilitate copyright infringement or a violation of applicable law.

      [...]

      http://www.copyright.gov/1201/

      Start patching stuff and we can have legal jailbreaks.

      By the way, classes II and III apply to telephone devices (iPhone) but we'll see how that plays out in the future.

    13. ZanderCross
      09-27-2010
      10:51 PM
      13

      Originally Posted by YungClipze
      Lol Wait so if we have any homebrew on our ps3 Sonys goin come after us?
      Not quite... They are looking for all sources of the hacks and information about them... Not the end user as much.

    14. aminthemachine
      09-27-2010
      10:53 PM
      14

      i would love to see someone show up at my doorstep. i would beat him within an inch of his life, show up to court, turn to the sony rep and tell him where he can stick his papers, turn to the judge and say :thefinger:

    15. YungClipze
      09-27-2010
      10:54 PM
      15

      Thanx For The Quick Reply

    16. chead
      09-27-2010
      10:58 PM
      16

      yea sony pulling out all the stops but whos to say they wont create a hombrew app that brick our ps3's

    17. ZanderCross
      09-27-2010
      11:04 PM
      17

      Originally Posted by chead
      yea sony pulling out all the stops but whos to say they wont create a hombrew app that brick our ps3's
      I think that Sony is behind some the fake crap we've seen lately that is making the community fight amongst ourselves... If you want to take down any army, then start a civil war...

    18. Cyberxion
      09-27-2010
      11:15 PM
      18

      Originally Posted by ZanderCross
      Not quite... They are looking for all sources of the hacks and information about them... Not the end user as much.
      That's what I initially thought, and you're probably right.

    19. Takeshi Kovacs
      09-27-2010
      11:18 PM
      19

      I think that Sony is behind some the fake crap we've seen lately that is making the community fight amongst ourselves... If you want to take down any army, then start a civil war...

      If that's true, then you got to hand it to them. At least they're not giving any ground.

    20. Willie C.
      09-27-2010
      11:19 PM
      20

      They can suck my ******* and I hope they get a Peanut. Fag *****es!!!!! They're gonna get blazed when they show up on door steps!!!!!:thefinger:

    21. ArcBarron
      09-27-2010
      11:33 PM
      21

      It's not a huge deal, regardless.

      They'll go after the manufacturers of all of the official and clone devices but I seriously doubt they're interested in communities like this one or the people in it past what they can get from us in terms of ammunition against said manufacturers. The absolute worst thing that can be said of us is that we may or may not be stealing some of their code. That depends on the individual.

      No. They're just doing what any other console maker would do if there were a new mod chip for their hardware. They're trying to stop it. The difference in this case is not only that it's a "mod chip" that requires zero internal modification of the console, but also that it quickly became unnecessary to buy anything to use it.

      The best they can do is stop production of devices specifically used to jailbreak the system and ban anyone that uses a system showing telltale signs of tampering.

      Just to be on the safe side, though, I suggest using a fake name from now on.

      Did I mention my name is James Ford?... Because is so totally is!

    22. jumpman3
      09-27-2010
      11:41 PM
      22

      Nothing really surprising, the dude who made the mod chip for Xbox1 got ten years of jail time.

    23. marta088
      09-28-2010
      12:01 AM
      23

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Too bad for them i live in IRAN... or maybe North Korea :aetsch::thefinger:

    24. killa5k7
      09-28-2010
      12:26 AM
      24

      This is sad indeed. I debated even using backup manager. When I did it didn't work for me. The only thing I can see it being useful for is if Sony's horrible hardware blu drive goes out. See, sony can take away from the consumer until the consumer does what they want with thier own product...I would love for them to come knocking at my door and tell me I was wrong using a compiled(not by sony) program with my purchased mp3 player to jig my ps3. With places like gamefly selling used games for cheap often who needs to pirate. Sony is just mad because the PS3 "really does everything". Someone should sue them for misadvertisement on the product.

    25. vcheese
      09-28-2010
      12:38 AM
      25

      They seem to be desperate.

    26. DLM
      09-28-2010
      12:41 AM
      26

      With every action against a homebrew community, Sony convinces me to chose Microsoft. Soon they'll be dressing and red with crosses torturing people in the name of all that is good. This is getting out of hand.

    27. mr_xzibit
      09-28-2010
      01:04 AM
      27

      come on sony try your luck! im beggin you I CREATED PS FREEDOM!!!!!!
      come get me(i didnt really) but dont tell them that!

    28. N3O
      09-28-2010
      02:20 AM
      28

      im pretty sure Jailbreaking in the UK is legal, well for iDevices it is

    29. Frosty3k
      09-28-2010
      02:36 AM
      29

      this is pathetic, its so pathetic i might think that sony tries to scare ppl...so as ray william would say " hide U're kids ! hide U're wifes ! cause sony if coming for you !"

      rolf

    30. advocatusdiaboli
      09-28-2010
      02:38 AM
      30

      Most of this would probably not happen for another 5 years if they delivered Linux fully fledged in the first place...

    31. rhazielz
      09-28-2010
      03:06 AM
      31

      we cant be stopped we are the new sony

    32. advocatusdiaboli
      09-28-2010
      03:13 AM
      32

      ... but then again we are talking about Sorry Computer Entrapment ... It’s very unhealthy to be trapped in a computer game.

    33. japsander
      09-28-2010
      04:16 AM
      33

      Originally Posted by ArcBarron
      Did I mention my name is James Ford?... Because is so totally is!
      Pleased to meet you James.
      My name is bill.
      You may have heard of me. I have a small business in the computer industry. "Microsoft"

    34. advocatusdiaboli
      09-28-2010
      04:22 AM
      34

      Looking to find who? I am still on 3.15 because I actually use Linux.

      Of course Sony pissed my kids off totally because they blocked PSN, but that does not change the fact that I do some development on Linux PPC.

    35. petros111280
      09-28-2010
      04:22 AM
      35

      i am a PIRATE i play EMULATORS ON PS3 .I HAVE THE INFORMATION YOU NEED ABOUT REAL NAMES BEHIND THE SITES . SONY COME AND GET ME:aetsch:

    36. spleen
      09-28-2010
      04:24 AM
      36

      Warning

      what you posted has nothing to do with the topic in discussion



    37. Boris2682
      09-28-2010
      04:43 AM
      37

      One thing i dont get is, sony will force us to use newer firmware for newer games as it happened before. So whats the point of investing into the psjailbreak and then after 6months you cannot play anything anymore? I was watching on ebay to buy one of these but then gave up becouse then i saw an article about new sony firmware which blocks apsolute everything.

    38. prhotosho
      09-28-2010
      04:59 AM
      38

      There are > 100K members of this forum alone. Add members of other forums and 'Sorry' has to spend a lot of money to get to each of us.
      BTW my name is Howard Stringer.

    39. mupet0000
      09-28-2010
      05:20 AM
      39

      It's out there. No matter what Sony do now, they wont change a thing, development will continue and people will jailbreak their consoles. Sony are wasting their time and money.

    40. Wolfie708
      09-28-2010
      05:20 AM
      40

      My name is Bunglebert Dumpertruck, and on a related note, can anyone tell me definitively just what I do own on my PS3 because as far as I know I can do anything I please with MY property.

      As a wee kick back at Sony, have they given anyone compensation etc for removing OtherOS as I know that was the reason that some people bought their console over others?

    41. tech3475
      09-28-2010
      05:43 AM
      41

      The following is based upon the assumptions that this is true and not fake:

      I wonder how long it will be before Sony force everyone to have some South Park style V-Chip which will ensure that you never intend on doing anything you don't like.

      Seriously, Sony can go **** themselves over all this ****. Ever since they removed Other OS I have no respect for them.

      Bring on CFW, bring on mass piracy (not that I intend on doing this myself, I just want to be able to run emulators/homebrew), because the only way to make them pay is to hit them where it hurts.

    42. Nil3E
      09-28-2010
      05:47 AM
      42

      Sony starts to be a little bit Ridiculous

    43. d_spaniard
      09-28-2010
      05:55 AM
      43

      I hope they don't take down this site!! This is the only/best site I have found!! Balls!!

      Sony - GIVE UP ALREADY!! There are so many free versions that you can do nothing about!!

    44. advocatusdiaboli
      09-28-2010
      05:56 AM
      44

      Originally Posted by Nil3E
      Sony starts to be a little bit Ridiculous
      ... or ridonkulous...

    45. tech3475
      09-28-2010
      05:58 AM
      45

      I wonder if this will end up like the AACS key where Sony trying to suppress it will cause it to spread?

    46. wetz99
      09-28-2010
      06:10 AM
      46

      I'll give sony an E for effort

      but seriously, they need to loosen up and realise that by allowing homebrew they`re gonr have more happy customers .

    47. Gooner-declan
      09-28-2010
      06:36 AM
      47

      Originally Posted by wetz99
      I'll give sony an E for effort

      but seriously, they need to loosen up and realise that by allowing homebrew they`re gonr have more happy customers .
      To be fair, most of these happy customers who are benefiting from the exploit will more than likely using it for piracy as well, even though most people will assert that it is for homebrew purposes only.

    48. japsander
      09-28-2010
      06:49 AM
      48

      Originally Posted by d_spaniard
      I hope they don't take down this site!! This is the only/best site I have found!! Balls!!

      Sony - GIVE UP ALREADY!! There are so many free versions that you can do nothing about!!
      They shouldn't take down this site as we all do not codone piracy and are only interested in the homebrew which was enabled on the ps3 as default using otheros.

      I can't remember where I read it or if it was 100% true but modifying anything you own to put it back to the way it was when you bought it is fine even if it is against any changes in the terms and conditions from the way they were when you bought it.

      If You bought it a certain way , you are entitled to have it that way again.

      On another point, how the hell do Sony seem to hold so much weight in court? They should be fixing their security issues from within their own company.

      If an employee leaves a window open and a bird ****s on the desk you don't file a cease and desist on the bird do you? You sack the stupid employee.

      End rant.
      I'm having a bad day lol. Its Good to let off steam at someone who deserves it.

    49. passat1900tdi13
      09-28-2010
      07:22 AM
      49

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA i am delighted sony is getting a taste of their own medicine hahaha
      sony do u remember when 3.41 caused my console to burn its blu ray lens instantly and i rang ye several times any ye gave me bull**** like "oh pure coincidence!!" "give me 160 euro and ill send ya another dodgy second hand one!!" when ye just didnt give a **** about peoples ps3s crshing due to dodgy firmware!??
      well guess what sony i got a free lens of a good mate of mine put it in and its working perfect!!
      and guess what else?? ive got at90usb162 hacking the balls of my ps3 backing up hundreds of euros worth of games to my ps3 aall the newest releases!!
      HAHAHAHA now do u think i give a **** about yer dodgy updates not a chance!!
      the hackers own sony and ps3, sony used to own it but they are gone out of the picture now i am delighted they are faced with this battle after they give such ****ty support for their products.
      EVERYBODY HOMEBREW IS GOOD WE OWN PS3 NOW 3.41 FOR LIFE YALL!!!

    50. vizard00
      09-28-2010
      07:32 AM
      50

      so sony say by that , if toush ur ps3 we wil catch u hahaha pure no sense . guys pls read us laws and ull understand how sony is losing the ball .

      - sony can not show how to use my own ps3
      - sony can not stop news sites in the land of freedom
      - sony can not stop people knowledge

      - beside that
      - howbrew community do not kill people as sony should stop importing "coltan" google it .


      lol they owned teh corupted australia and now they wana own the world , no sory sony you cant .

    51. ips3
      09-28-2010
      08:09 AM
      51

      Originally Posted by vizard00
      so sony say by that , if toush ur ps3 we wil catch u hahaha pure no sense . guys pls read us laws and ull understand how sony is losing the ball .

      - sony can not show how to use my own ps3
      - sony can not stop news sites in the land of freedom
      - sony can not stop people knowledge

      - beside that
      - howbrew community do not kill people as sony should stop importing "coltan" google it .


      lol they owned teh corupted australia and now they wana own the world , no sory sony you cant .
      it's people like these who give Sony the impression they've got a chance at winning this war,

    52. johnnyb15613
      09-28-2010
      08:10 AM
      52

      I wonder what burns sonys ass the most........
      The fact that people are getting free games (even though 70% are rubbish)
      Or the fact that the worlds best coders and devs don't work for them!

      On another note even though people are stealing games they WILL still buy the ones they want. Look at the person you know who loves movies the most. They have a large collection of burned dvds. But then go look at that same persons real dvd collection. People will still buy the titles they want the most. They will just stop wasting hard earned money buying bull**** titles that have no business being in existance!

      Just my $0.02
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      First and foremost I DO NOT CONDONE PIRACY!

      But lets examine the facts.............70% of video games marketed and sold are HORRIBLE!...........Do you honestly believe the producers and devs of ANY game created deserve your money twice? How the **** do I spend $60 on a game to have it stop working 6 months down the line. Then tell me I should go buy the same game again? Trippin!.............I hold video games to a relatively high standard these days! I have absolutely NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER to buy Iron Man 2 for instance. So what harm is it to burrow my buddys OG copy and rip it real quick? Play it and then erase it. The game was trash anyhow. I would have never bought it! Nobody lost money! I now have that $60 to go buy a better title! All this will do is enhance development of better software! Bull**** games are not being bought....THEN STOP MAKING THEM!

      My WII has been hacked for a long time now. I've DL'd a bunch of games. New Super Mario Bros. for example. I played it and loved it. I WENT OUT AND BOUGHT IT 4 days later!

      Even Blu-Ray movies come with a digital copy these days! People WANT TO PROTECT THEIR INVESTMENT!

      So instead of pissing around in court SONY, embrace the homebrew world! Give the people who payed $$$$ for this system what they deserve. Give them PS2 Emulation. Give them a digital copy of their game along with their disc. Give them the PSFreedom to cut a hole in their console and **** the insides out of it! Give them features they could never dream of. Then, sit back and watch PS3 sales rise, rise, rise, to the top of the Himalayas!

      And for all those who are getting so upset about this that they are bashing SONY and thinking of reverting to a XBox........feel free! That console is a piece of ****! Anybody who disagrees doesn't know ****! I would rather JB my PS3 and never play online again than even think about buying an XBox!

    53. hooflee
      09-28-2010
      08:33 AM
      53

      i find that when something is marked as 'taboo' in this case jailbreak, psgroove

      it usually compels more people to look into it.

      maybe sony should just shut the hell up and stop goin on about it and practically
      advertising to the world of their console's security downfall.

      me personally i will continue to buy new games that are released because
      i can't afford to dl gigs worth of games and i do 'sorta' support game companies
      that make decent games.

      and anyways these days i find new gen games lack the balls that the classic
      consoles of back in the day had, lately i've had more fun playing gba,snes and
      genesis/megadrive, and with my jailbroken ps3 i've been able to enjoy my old classic snes games (with a few i still own on cartridge) on my ps3 with wireless controllers.

      i'd say ppl hacking the ps3 isn't for pirating, it's for playing classic games
      that are actually good.

    54. ZanderCross
      09-28-2010
      08:40 AM
      54

      Originally Posted by vizard00
      so sony say by that , if toush ur ps3 we wil catch u hahaha pure no sense . guys pls read us laws and ull understand how sony is losing the ball .

      - sony can not show how to use my own ps3
      - sony can not stop news sites in the land of freedom
      - sony can not stop people knowledge

      - beside that
      - howbrew community do not kill people as sony should stop importing "coltan" google it .


      lol they owned teh corupted australia and now they wana own the world , no sory sony you cant .
      Good God man! At least translate your gibberish before you post it! This is an English speaking site! I'm not sure Google will translate gibberish though... You'll just have to learn English I guess...

    55. perry07
      09-28-2010
      08:41 AM
      55

      ahh sony, piracey is a never ending source, you cant beat us! you wont beat us!

    56. Pockets69
      09-28-2010
      08:48 AM
      56

      Originally Posted by japsander
      They shouldn't take down this site as we all do not codone piracy and are only interested in the homebrew.
      Well at least some of us, how many people have you seen asking how you play backups around here.

      its a shame what sony is doing but they have little legal ground to psjailbreak and other devices, as for ours (dev boards) its pathetic i think they should start sueing nokia, texas instruments and apple, its their fault that we can jailbreak our devices, in fact they should sue the stores selling dev boards cause its their fault too, they have no legal grounds to do it, they will fail miserably...

    57. ZanderCross
      09-28-2010
      08:51 AM
      57

      It's only a matter of time Pockets before they try! It is Sony after all...

    58. 0amadeus0
      09-28-2010
      08:54 AM
      58

      For those posts telling sony "come on then if you think your hard enough"

      This legal action is aimed at the developers and the community hosts (forums)

      Unless you're being really dumb and using torrents, Sonys not coming after you but your posts are being used by sony in court cases to proof a case against the developers and forums. They shouldn't be admissible but appears they are being. (see otherOS class action)

      Try not to give them too much ammo eh?

      Hoping this does not scare off any homebrew developers. Don't care about moody games but I want homebrew apps. You may not feel worried but a lot of these devs have day jobs.

    59. ZanderCross
      09-28-2010
      08:59 AM
      59

      Originally Posted by 0amadeus0
      For those posts telling sony "come on then if you think your hard enough"

      This legal action is aimed at the developers and the community hosts (forums)

      Unless you're being really dumb and using torrents, Sonys not coming after you but your posts are being used by sony in court cases to proof a case against the developers and forums. They shouldn't be admissible but appears they are being. (see otherOS class action)

      Try not to give them too much ammo eh?

      Hoping this does not scare off any homebrew developers. Don't care about moody games but I want homebrew apps. You may not feel worried but a lot of these devs have day jobs.
      What he said... Stop talking about piracy in this thread... You will get no love from the people here when discussing this....

    60. domatas
      09-28-2010
      09:17 AM
      60

      I hate to admit that many charismatic Scene members like Mathieulh and richdevx will face accusations from an economical giant like Sony.

    61. Mutual
      09-28-2010
      09:45 AM
      61

      Haha! I can only laugh over this.

      1. This is clearly an attempt to make us scared of using the PS3 for pirating purposes - and an attempt to scare us away from hacking the PS3. It's a clever way to start a mass-hysteria that will frighten people (just look at how many replies this article has gotten) - believe me, Sony will NEVER have any luck in closing a community like this one - and Sony will NEVER have any luck in winning a case against the developers of a PS3 jailbreak (on the other hand, it IS USA).

      2. This is in US ONLY. If you're NOT a US resident, you could care less about this initiative - and if you're NOT using a server located in the US for hosting your "borderline-illegal PS3 page", you could care even less about this article. The US is not the world, and IF and only IF SCEA had any luck in winning a case, which is very unlikely, it would not affect any country outside the US. Americans are crazy, remember that ;-) . I'm from Europe and Sony Computer Entertainment Europe has not begun any suing - this can only happen in the US, even though people claim that the US is a free country. Yeah right. In my country, no private person has ever been caught for pirating software nor making homebrews for that matter.

      - Mutual.

    62. radikal
      09-28-2010
      10:31 AM
      62

      but if someone is making profit with pirated software those people should be caught. but not the ones who make homebrew. those should have support from the companies!

    63. japsander
      09-28-2010
      10:44 AM
      63

      Sony would benefit greatly from a similar sort of store such as apple app store where devs could submit homebrew for approval and then put them on a community page in the psn store for free or a fair price.

      The people who matter in the community would be happy and the ones that would suffer would only be the pirates.

      Sony would still retain most control and sell more hardware.

    64. 0amadeus0
      09-28-2010
      11:10 AM
      64

      As a long term mac user (lookup mac classic)...
      Much as I hate Apples pandering to the iCrowd they got it right with the app store.

      Currently teaching myself Objective C and Cocoa touch to make my own applications.
      All the dev tools and docs for free and $99 dollars buys me into the store.

      An environment like that on a console would be fantastic.

      BTW you want eye strain, use photoshop 1.0 on a 8 inch monochrome CRT....

    65. General Plot
      09-28-2010
      11:21 AM
      65

      Originally Posted by Mutual
      I'm from Europe and Sony Computer Entertainment Europe has not begun any suing - this can only happen in the US, even though people claim that the US is a free country. Yeah right. In my country, no private person has ever been caught for pirating software nor making homebrews for that matter.

      - Mutual.
      Well, I live in England, but I'm originally from the US, and you seem a bit ignorant to some things. I'm not sure about your country in particular (I don't even know which one you're in), but I know in the EU things like this happen here too. Look at oink (the music file-sharing site) where the owner is in prison now and ordered to pay a ridiculous fine and the legal hot water that the pirate bay keeps finding themselves in as well. If you don't see it happening in Europe, it's because you're not looking hard enough.

    66. mcd1992
      09-28-2010
      11:26 AM
      66

      Originally Posted by marta088
      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Too bad for them i live in IRAN... or maybe North Korea :aetsch::thefinger:

      $50 says you live in Venezuela.

    67. General Plot
      09-28-2010
      11:39 AM
      67

      Originally Posted by mcd1992
      $50 says you live in Venezuela.
      LMAO. Can you say pwnt?

    68. ziggyman
      09-28-2010
      11:54 AM
      68

      Please correct me if I am mistaken, but for Sony to pull file information off of my hard drive without my consent and try to use it against me would be illegal and they would be liable for such actions. I would hope they are not stupid enough to do so. I do not check for updates or go on PSN, if that constitutes some strange form of consent.

    69. blaze0036
      09-28-2010
      11:57 AM
      69

      Hold on when the playstation 3 came out i swore they said there system is unhackable and they dared us too try to hack it because they said it could'nt be done. They should just be happy it took this long to hack it unlike the xbox 360...

    70. JPOrtiz831
      09-28-2010
      12:07 PM
      70

      NOw Sonys Gonna see all The Porn I Have On My Hard Drive.. HAHAHAH You cant stop Anyone sony.. The More You tell Us Not To hack into the PS3, The More People Are gonna want to hack into it.. i already own every games for the xbox 360 and i harldy ever play them anymore. why is sony so scared hackers cant even play online yet.

    71. ArcBarron
      09-28-2010
      12:30 PM
      71

      Sony isn't "after us," everyone. Sony doesn't care what you do with your console. If you find a way to hack and get online, the worst you'll get is a permaban on your system that puts you back to where you are now.

      People making homebrew programs have nothing to fear, either. At the worst, they get a cease and desist but that's only going to happen if they're trying to reverse engineer Sony code (CFW and the like).

      You guys should read some of the provided documents past PSX-Scene's misleading title. I mean... I know some of you can barely write and asking you to read is a bit of a stretch, but come on. Come on.

      You can do it. There are pictures. haha

      With love,
      James Ford
      (My friends call me "Sawyer." You can call me "Jim.")

    72. Pockets69
      09-28-2010
      01:08 PM
      72

      Jim XD

      its not as easy as you think, bud the stance sony is taking on the ps3 hacking and homebrew community has never been like this, look at the psp, sony didn't do anything never, tried anything against us, it got to the point that every firmware that sony launched for it got hacked in a week, but all of the sudden sony is all about the PS3, and i really can't understand why??? sure it was hacked and that could hurt, but hey! from everyone around the world owning a ps3 i bet 80% or more updated their machine to 3.42/3.50, what is their problem, noobs don't know about this, some of them found out by pure accident, others will find it when it and by that time it will be to late! the rate of jailbroken ps3 are less than 20%, now that could change depending on what psjailbreak team is announcing.

    73. Xtrminatr
      09-28-2010
      01:17 PM
      73

      Originally Posted by jumpman3
      Nothing really surprising, the dude who made the mod chip for Xbox1 got ten years of jail time.
      He got 5 months and a $28000 fine... not 10 friggen years... the max sentence was 5 years

    74. ArcBarron
      09-28-2010
      02:15 PM
      74

      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      look at the psp, sony didn't do anything never
      Back when I had a PSP and was involved in the hacking and homebrew scene, the only way to get the custom firmware flashed to your system was to hope you hadn't upgraded your firmware past a certain point, use an already hacked PSP to downgrade, or modify a battery to load an altered EEPROM from the memory stick.

      They did do something, however, as the batteries that could be hard modded quickly disappeared from the market. You can still buy Pandora batteries for ten dollars online but inconveniencing people is at the top of Sony's list when it comes to stopping piracy.

      I'm guessing the whole PSP debacle was enough for them to learn their lesson, but they're still just going to go after the people selling and manufacturing the official and clone products. Everything else cited is to make a case against those sellers and manufacturers, to show that it had the ability to compromise their sales if left unchecked.

      Granted, I'm sure Sony knows that there are two kinds of people out here: The kind that is going to continue to buy their games regardless of whether they back them up or whatever and the kind that wouldn't have bought the games in the first place. The latter are going to get hefty fines from downloading their games from torrents. The former have nothing to worry about so long as they continue to play it safe.

    75. SniperSnake
      09-28-2010
      02:29 PM
      75

      no joke i got a call this morning from my local DA for a subpoena for a court summons, idk what for yet but omg mabe i shouldt have said how i kinda circumvented sonys ps3 firmware update process.....

    76. logock
      09-28-2010
      02:48 PM
      76

      they are just trying to get attention :D

    77. lagzilla
      09-28-2010
      02:57 PM
      77

      should Sony do ? sit on their ass'es and see their precious diamond disappear ? the ps3 has just finally begun to really make money, and with the blockbuster title coming up in start of november, offcause they will do anything to close this hole, no matter the cost. Here in Denmark the PS3 are being sold in a speed the importer cant follow. Most of those stocks are 3.30, but when 3.42/3.50 hits the stores, the sales will stop. People are not buying dongles and consoles to play homebrew, usenet torrent sites all over the world are having massive traffic because of PS3 dumps gettin spread at a very rapid speed.
      I cant blame Sony for trying to close this hole, but Padora's Box has been opened, and Sony will never win this battle, but it might kill te PS3.

    78. marta088
      09-28-2010
      03:10 PM
      78

      mcd1992
      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, OK iM BUSTED
      Dont call sony please, hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      (i know you are a mod so you can view ips and ****...)

    79. brarei200
      09-28-2010
      03:23 PM
      79

      Man up Sony, maybe if you would of tested your firmwares before releasing them you wouldn't have this problem.

    80. Pockets69
      09-28-2010
      03:40 PM
      80

      Originally Posted by lagzilla
      should Sony do ? sit on their ass'es and see their precious diamond disappear ? the ps3 has just finally begun to really make money, and with the blockbuster title coming up in start of november, offcause they will do anything to close this hole, no matter the cost. Here in Denmark the PS3 are being sold in a speed the importer cant follow. Most of those stocks are 3.30, but when 3.42/3.50 hits the stores, the sales will stop. People are not buying dongles and consoles to play homebrew, usenet torrent sites all over the world are having massive traffic because of PS3 dumps gettin spread at a very rapid speed.
      I cant blame Sony for trying to close this hole, but Padora's Box has been opened, and Sony will never win this battle, but it might kill te PS3.
      Sony is not doing stuff the way it should! the hole is already fixed! who updated lost the train of homebrew! no way to go back!
      it doesn't need anymore fixing.

    81. vizard00
      09-28-2010
      06:10 PM
      81

      devs , sony can not and will not sue you , its your code your creation you may sue them if they use it , once you create the code and publish it with disclaimers your done just like the ( buckup manager ) , even if they dont worth it

      ( they said we have removed otheros to protect people so we say we install buckup manager to protect our BD's ) ,

      the law give us the right to buckup our bought code as we buy the code not the BD's .



      sony use a teror tactic right now and agian who !? young devs bcz they can not do anything again the source ( t-84 , amtel , blackcat , ipods , rockbox ...)

      sory for my eng ido my best

    82. ZanderCross
      09-28-2010
      06:12 PM
      82

      Pockets is right, and just because we have PSP custom firmware, doesn't mean we will have PS3 CFW. Everyone is assuming that this will happen because it did for the PSP. Sure it may happen and I also think someday it will, but what if it doesn't? If it doesn't then Sony won part of the war. Sure some people will backup all their games on a system and be able to use all the homebrew out, but they will never be able to play online and play new games that require newer firmware without a newer system with newer updates... (hypothetically speaking if no CFW is developed)

      So as of right now, Sony has gone way beyond what they should be doing now to stop this. The scene is already too far along to keep people from doing what they are already doing.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************

      Originally Posted by vizard00
      devs , sony can not and will not sue you , its your code your creation you may sue them if they use it , once you create the code and publish it with disclaimers your done just like the ( buckup manager ) , even if they dont worth it

      ( they said we have removed otheros to protect people so we say we install buckup manager to protect our BD's ) ,

      the law give us the right to buckup our bought code as we buy the code not the BD's .



      sony use a teror tactic right now and agian who !? young devs bcz they can not do anything again the source ( t-84 , amtel , blackcat , ipods , rockbox ...)

      sory for my eng ido my best
      I don't think you're following the scene well enough. You will see that a lot of homebrew is using Sony's SDK. Because of this, it is a illegal for them to even link to the code or the pkg file. Also, if what was released was true about PSJailbreak, it is using Sony code to jailbreak your system. This is illegal. If PSGroove and all these others are using Sony code like that, regardless of what people use it for, it is illegal.

      If it is NOT Sony code then people are fine, but until someone comes out with an open source SDK, a lot of homebrew and ways to jailbreak will be illegal... from what I understand about all of it. Correct me if I'm wrong people.

    83. Cyberxion
      09-28-2010
      06:58 PM
      83

      Originally Posted by ArcBarron
      You guys should read some of the provided documents past PSX-Scene's misleading title. I mean... I know some of you can barely write and asking you to read is a bit of a stretch, but come on. Come on.

      You can do it. There are pictures. haha

      With love,
      James Ford
      (My friends call me "Sawyer." You can call me "Jim.")
      Eh, it's human nature to panic first and ask questions later, in much the same way that it's also in our nature to be pompous ******-nozzles just to show everyone how superior to them we believe we are. The great thing is that neither behavioral quirk is all that tough to ignore when they make their presence known. :P

    84. ArcBarron
      09-28-2010
      11:53 PM
      84

      Originally Posted by Cyberxion
      Hello, Pot. My name is Kettle.
      What I was implying is that people should look into the source of a story, especially when the writer of said story seems to make things up as they go. In this case, PSX-Scene would have us believe that SCEA is investigating each and every one of us and that we might all be called in to testify. If that were true it would make for some juicy breaking news. Unfortunately for PSX-Scene, it was hyperbole.

      Then again, who knew we could count on the same masses that were screaming "FIRST!!1" and "fake. epic fail." at the reveal of the initial jailbreaking devices to assume instantly that this drivel was the Word of God? It's hilarious when you think about it.

      By the way, Adam Corolla isn't funny regardless of what Dustin Diamond might have lead you to believe.

    85. denero1
      09-29-2010
      12:44 AM
      85

      i believe cfw will come even if i have to do it myself lmao

    86. phibermon
      09-29-2010
      04:24 AM
      86

      what's that you say? leaked SDK? I'm spartacus!

    87. ricpinto
      09-29-2010
      05:21 AM
      87

      Good luck with the Portuguese law Sony douchbags.

    88. vizard00
      09-29-2010
      11:56 AM
      88

      Originally Posted by ZanderCross
      Pockets is right, and just because we have PSP custom firmware, doesn't mean we will have PS3 CFW. Everyone is assuming that this will happen because it did for the PSP. Sure it may happen and I also think someday it will, but what if it doesn't? If it doesn't then Sony won part of the war. Sure some people will backup all their games on a system and be able to use all the homebrew out, but they will never be able to play online and play new games that require newer firmware without a newer system with newer updates... (hypothetically speaking if no CFW is developed)

      So as of right now, Sony has gone way beyond what they should be doing now to stop this. The scene is already too far along to keep people from doing what they are already doing.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************


      I don't think you're following the scene well enough. You will see that a lot of homebrew is using Sony's SDK. Because of this, it is a illegal for them to even link to the code or the pkg file. Also, if what was released was true about PSJailbreak, it is using Sony code to jailbreak your system. This is illegal. If PSGroove and all these others are using Sony code like that, regardless of what people use it for, it is illegal.

      If it is NOT Sony code then people are fine, but until someone comes out with an open source SDK, a lot of homebrew and ways to jailbreak will be illegal... from what I understand about all of it. Correct me if I'm wrong people.
      actualy PSjailbreak use no sony code according to the reverse Engineering report on ps3hax , so i think im folowing the event more than you ,

      ok so the ps3 is cracked by a no sony code right ? , now the devs use the Sony's SDK but they dont sell their codes and that is not a reason to sue the planet . ( hope nintendo sue sony for the psmove pure clone of concept , and the analog too )

      sory for my english i do my best

    89. ZanderCross
      10-01-2010
      12:42 PM
      89

      Originally Posted by vizard00
      actualy PSjailbreak use no sony code according to the reverse Engineering report on ps3hax , so i think im folowing the event more than you
      We can THINK all we want, but actions speak louder than words my friend. Also, you thinking you know one more thing then everything else I stated gives you no leverage what so ever. I'm talking about more recent news that may have lead people to this conclusion and you're talking about old news.

      now the devs use the Sony's SDK but they dont sell their codes and that is not a reason to sue the planet . ( hope nintendo sue sony for the psmove pure clone of concept , and the analog too )
      Sony had every right, according to law, to sue the users of their own SDK if they haven't acquired a license for it's use. Also, note that any code made with this SDK is the property of Sony, as far as law is concerned, and this is why programs that just post source code for this, are not released on this site. It is a illegal even to link to it or the SDK. The only reason game making companies can even use it is by buying a license. So maybe you haven't been following the scene that well after all.

      Edit: I do stand that the original jailbreak was not made with Sony code, but this is what was going around lately. So it seems Sony has less of an excuse to stop the jailbreaks.