• General , 24.01.2011

    The Geohot vs Sony case is still ongoing and more drama has unfolded for you. Sony has made allegations that GeoHot’s actually owns a PSN name known as “Geo1Hotz” (thereby violating PSN ToS), but Geohots lawyers disagree and are calling for a dismissal of case all together. Now it could be very true that Sony may have created a fake account to “frame” Geohot (just like the donation trick they pulled), but looks like time will tell.

    PSX-Scene brings the latest court documents and here below are some of the highlighted/important facts:

    The only evidence it has put forth to prove Mr. Hotz has entered the PSN Agreement is an improperly authenticated screen shot of a PSN Network account with the username “Geo1Hotz.” Declaration of Gilliland Exh. A. Mr. Hotz does not own or have access to this account. Mr. Hotz does not live in Rhode Island, does not use the name “Geo1Hotz” which, in contrast to Mr. Hotz‟s common handle, utilizes capital letters and a numeral, and Mr. Hotz was not born in 1995 as in the screen grab. Id. Sony further falsely states that Mr. Hotz is “reffered to online as „GeoHot.‟” This is untrue. All exhibits submitted by Sony purport to show that Mr. Hotz goes by the internet name “geohot” without any capitalized letters or numerals.

    In the present case, Sony cannot demonstrate that Mr. Hotz‟s activity could even arguably be construed as expressly aimed at California. To the contrary, the sole alleged tortious activity alleged in this action involves Mr. Hotz- who is located in New Jersey- purportedly improperly accessing portions of his own Playstation Computer- which is also located in New Jersey. Sony’s primary allegation is that Mr. Hotz violated the circumvention provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (“DMCA”) by allegedly circumventing control access to the Playstation Computer. Sony also includes various other inexplicable claims for good measure, including Mr. Hotz violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and the California Computer Crime Law for allegedly “exceeding access” to Mr. Hotz’s very own Playstation Computer, as well as for Mr. Hotz purportedly “trespassing” on the very Playstation Computer he lawfully purchased and owns. Sony also alleges that, by engaging in such conduct, Mr. Hotz has breached the PSN TOS (which is actually not applicable to Mr. Hotz as demonstrated above). Nonetheless, this suit centers around the allegation that Mr. Hotz improperly accessed portions of his Playstation Computer.

    Sony thinks that an unnamed defendant called “Bushing” resides in California but this person remains a Doe defendant, is not named as a defendant, and has not been served with process. Further, all evidence put forth by Sony regarding “Bushing” is improperly authenticated hearsay. This court should not rely on Sony‟s speculation of a Does defendant‟s place of residence to assert jurisdiction over a nonresident who is actually named with an address that has been identified, in New Jersey. Further evidence in this matter is found primarily on the internet.

    Contrary to Sony‟ assertions, most of the physical evidence and Mr. Hotz himself, are located in the state of New Jersey. The bulk of Sony‟s claims regard evidence found on Mr. Hotz‟s media devices and in Mr. Hotz‟s testimony as a witness. Other than those items, the bulk of the evidence Sony puts forth may be found on the internet which is accessible just as easily in New Jersey as in California.

    Sony relies on the unsubstantiated residency of the unnamed defendant “Bushing” as a basis for California being the best forum. However, “Bushing” has not been identified, named, served, or connected with Mr. Hotz in any way that would warrant bringing the only identifiable defendant out to California. If “Bushing” does exist and can be ascertained at a later date, Sony would have to amend the complaint to properly name him/her which has not occurred. Thus, New Jersey is an alternative forum that exists to provide Sony with adequate relief. If Sony can obtain jurisdiction by merely including a hypothetical defendant by the name of “Bushing” that may live in California, then any Plaintiff can file suit in California and obtain jurisdiction by adding “Bushing” as a defendant.

    What do you guys think about the PSN claims? Do you think Sony created a fake PSN to “frame” Geohot? Let us know via reply below.

    You can grab the latest court case documents and Sony’s reply below:
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    [VIA PSX-Scene]

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  • 40 Comments

    1. njking25
      01-24-2011
      06:38 PM
      1

      hahahaha. I like the photo it only sues everyone. T

    2. Evan64
      01-24-2011
      06:44 PM
      2

      I want to see someone in the court room try to backup and load Black Ops using ONLY geohotz jailbreak.

      Oh, what's that? It doesn't load?
      He's not supporting piracy?
      Odd.

    3. kidrock1023
      01-24-2011
      06:50 PM
      3

      sony is so framing him, i added the psn name and there are no trophies, no about me details.....

    4. Carty
      01-24-2011
      06:54 PM
      4

      The irony is that the only thing geohot is really guilty of is making Sony look like a massive bunch of asshats for failing to govern their security policy correctly, and these lawyers are making them look like even bigger ones.

      They are claiming massive damages? (Enemy crab? :D) Have they put any value on this or demonstrated what these damages might be financially?

      If Sony had managed their security protocols correctly, they wouldn't be in this mess. They claim EA will suffer massive losses. Well, technically if this is true then it is Sony that is to blame. EA should sue the hell out of them for losses caused by their own negligence.

    5. Denitorious
      01-24-2011
      06:55 PM
      5

      ..this is starting to get really hilarious.

    6. Wolfie708
      01-24-2011
      06:56 PM
      6

      I doubt even they are stupid enough to frame a person using incorrect location and age details lol

      Most likely it is just a PSN ID created by someone else, and the details don't have to be publically visible do they?....... I have no real experience in signing up for PSN, but if like most things you have to fill in basic details I assume? (kept on database)

    7. scrumbleyj
      01-24-2011
      06:58 PM
      7

      I am Bushing!

    8. jazneo
      01-24-2011
      07:06 PM
      8

      wonder if ban geo1hot the user of the psn account. if they did the person should sue because of false info

    9. profixit
      01-24-2011
      07:09 PM
      9

      i Hope Sony are "buying time"
      It's about time Egohotz was taught a lesson.

      the guy craves attenion, so bring it Sony.

    10. jazneo
      01-24-2011
      07:15 PM
      10

      Originally Posted by profixit
      i Hope Sony are "buying time"
      It's about time Egohotz was taught a lesson.

      the guy craves attenion, so bring it Sony.
      sony is loseing not wining they get worse and worse every court case. there make them self look bad againts a 20 year old. they should just stop and work on better game system so geohot can crack it :P

    11. Wolfie708
      01-24-2011
      07:21 PM
      11

      Originally Posted by profixit
      i Hope Sony are "buying time"
      It's about time Egohotz was taught a lesson.

      the guy craves attenion, so bring it Sony.
      Yes, most definately he is an attention whore, but all said and done, if he loses it is bad for all of us as it gives Sony and every other console maker, not to mention every software house, a clear and open way to dictate exactly what we can do with their products.

      He needs a kick in the ego (BIG Kick lol), but I still want his case to win.

    12. mecks
      01-24-2011
      07:36 PM
      12

      Lol while sony is wasting there time with geohot who just released a simple jailbreak that only installed pkgs, now there is cfw that work full with backup loaders even if they win or loose they still loose in the end waste of money and time.. if we buy the console we should be able to do what we want aslong as we are not moding and selling for a price we are not doing anything wrong if you bought a car from dodge and you added rims i dont think they would sue you for moding there product.

    13. Wolfie708
      01-24-2011
      07:47 PM
      13

      Originally Posted by mecks
      Lol while sony is wasting there time with geohot who just released a simple jailbreak that only installed pkgs, now there is cfw that work full with backup loaders even if they win or loose they still loose in the end waste of money and time.. if we buy the console we should be able to do what we want aslong as we are not moding and selling for a price we are not doing anything wrong if you bought a car from dodge and you added rims i dont think they would sue you for moding there product.
      The thing is if they do win, they can then use that judgement to stop any and all subsequent applications which were made possible by it. As so many people have stated that it is his original 'hack' that made the development of CFW possible, it will be extremely hard to disprove that, even if an individual used his/her own methods with no recourse to Mr Hotz's information.

      Cars etc are a different thing as they are not manufactured as a platform with the major, if not sole, purpose of other companies to make monies from.

      That is The item on trial here. Whether what he has done was done with the intention of, or disregard to, depriving Sony and others from financial gain.

    14. mecks
      01-24-2011
      07:55 PM
      14

      You are right then again they have no legal evidence that the use of geohots jailbreak was the stepping stone for creating cfw, the only evidence they could use in the court would be complete proof from the hackers that developed the cfw which i highly doubt they would get any information from them, even if there is 99.9 percent evidence that the only way to make cfw is with geohots jailbreak without the 100% response that the creators did use it there evidence is completely void.

    15. depblkman
      01-24-2011
      08:06 PM
      15

      So now let's ask ourselves, did we buy or lease the PS3? one would think that whatever you do with the PS3, you bought it and if you break it, its your responsibility. if they really don't want people to mod the system, then instead of selling the ps3, rent or lease it. otherwise, let us do what we want with our PS3's and leave us alone.

    16. girugamarc
      01-24-2011
      08:11 PM
      16

      Quick! Everyone start making PSN alts with the words "Geo" and "Hotz" somewhere in them. It'd be funny of lots of people do this and Sony reacted in some way.

    17. Wolfie708
      01-24-2011
      08:14 PM
      17

      There will hardly ever be actual physical evidence beforehand, but there is enough textual evidence online as every forum I have visited in last few weeks has the majority of people saying that it was geo's hack which enabled the CFW devs to do their work, and sorry, but that is enough evidence in this format to have a blanket legal action enforced if Sony wins the case.

      I hope I am wrong, but there have been enough similar actions in the past that lead to me being right

    18. cacab
      01-24-2011
      08:57 PM
      18

      Man,I'm gonna sign in to psn and create some account: geohot,GeOhOt,GEohOT,gEoHoT etc...are you serious Sony?

    19. VIRGIN KLM
      01-24-2011
      09:36 PM
      19

      Something that I never understood about Sony is:
      1. Do they really think they are losing by piracy? Cause sales numbers say the opposite.
      2. If piracy for them is illegal why trading, renting and buing used games isn't aswell?
      This is a point why I don't get why some people (from here too) are so strict with it and they are against it at the time they do all the rest except piracy, it has exactly the same result to development companies.(I work for music industry and it has also the same result)

    20. bigo93
      01-24-2011
      10:45 PM
      20

      Yes they are losing out in sales, but no where near the guestimate they like to claim to have been investigated.

      I think someone linked a post by someone who said along the lines: Of the number of consumers a publisher has, say only 10% pirate games. Now their paying customers will only buy around 10 games a year. The pirate on the other hand may download 100 games a year.

      So yes you can claim for every game sold, 10 copies are pirated. But does that means that that implies a definite loss of 10 sales?
      The answer is obviously no. as stated those 100 copies were downloaded by the same person, not 100 individuals. So even if that person was to buy the games, they would definitely never buy all 100 games, especially if they are $50 a pop!
      In fact many pirate use the "try before you buy" method, so from the 100 downloaded games they may in fact end up buying 15 games they really like. So the pirate actually end up paying these publishers more than a normal customer does!

      So really, as these companies have even boasted, they are making more and more profit per year. The fact is that like all other companies they are greedy and want more. By throwing a tonne of jargon, half truths, misleading figures and lies, they hope that courts will see things their way. Just like we are currently seeing in this case, they have fabricated evidence, created unfair T&Cs, made false accusations, all in the hope that the court sees what sony wants them to see in order to place a ruling over the things the court didnt see. e.g they have added piracy as a charge whilst quoting so many ways to pirate, whilst geohot did not include any method of piracy with his release. It's like charging the owner of a gun store for having a gun for sale which is the same type of gun used in a crime 100 miles away. The gun in question has never been used, but the same make of gun was used in another crime and so all owners of that gun will be charged for the crime.

    21. KFallon
      01-24-2011
      10:47 PM
      21

      Something that I never understood about Sony is:
      1. Do they really think they are losing by piracy? Cause sales numbers say the opposite.
      2. If piracy for them is illegal why trading, renting and buing used games isn't aswell?
      This is a point why I don't get why some people (from here too) are so strict with it and they are against it at the time they do all the rest except piracy, it has exactly the same result to development companies.(I work for music industry and it has also the same result)

      Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/01/geohot...#ixzz1C0kfES4k
      1. Old tired argument that you wouldn't have probably made had you gone beyond just the sales count. You didn't even specify what was sold. If you meant consoles then do your research and you'll find out that console makers earn profit of cuts from game sales revenues and not the consoles themselves, which they researched on and developed in high costs and manufacture to sell at near or less than the production cost. Even if production values have lowered, the ratio still remains the same as the decrease of pv also equates to a decrease in adoption price. On the other hand, if you're talking about game sales, are you kidding me? Our local game store got by on their PS3 sales when nothing moved on their Xbox, PSP and Wii shelves. Last time I checked, they were about ready to close.

      2. What exactly do you do in the music industry? Nothing that involves promotion, profit and growth obviously. Buying used, renting and trading are transactional processes that do not affect, much less endanger, the business model; and at times, even serve to help promote the industry. Buying used or trading are just change of ownership transactions where the items involved are, even in bulk, 1 is to 1 in terms of items exchanged or paid for to purchase. Renting, actually yields further profits for the console makers and game developers through the fees paid by game rental stores to get the rights to rent games bearing their branding. You didn't really think that these rental stores' don't pay a dime beyond what they paid for when buying the games they rent, did you? The bottomline is, the examples you cited deal with unitary exchange, only one copy, where the movement of such copies either positively impacts the industry or does no harm to. Piracy breaks the game by allowing infinite and free copies. Do you need an explanation as well as to why that is a bad thing for people making a living out of developing the freebies you love?

      The fact that you imply Sony as being dense in employing these business model defense strategies despite "obvious" reasons not to ("increased sales", "piracy is the same like buying used") makes me want to imply that you're the dense one here.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Originally Posted by bigo93
      Yes they are losing out in sales, but no where near the guestimate they like to claim to have been investigated.

      I think someone linked a post by someone who said along the lines: Of the number of consumers a publisher has, say only 10% pirate games. Now their paying customers will only buy around 10 games a year. The pirate on the other hand may download 100 games a year.

      So yes you can claim for every game sold, 10 copies are pirated. But does that means that that implies a definite loss of 10 sales?
      The answer is obviously no. as stated those 100 copies were downloaded by the same person, not 100 individuals. So even if that person was to buy the games, they would definitely never buy all 100 games, especially if they are $50 a pop!
      In fact many pirate use the "try before you buy" method, so from the 100 downloaded games they may in fact end up buying 15 games they really like. So the pirate actually end up paying these publishers more than a normal customer does!

      So really, as these companies have even boasted, they are making more and more profit per year. The fact is that like all other companies they are greedy and want more. By throwing a tonne of jargon, half truths, misleading figures and lies, they hope that courts will see things their way. Just like we are currently seeing in this case, they have fabricated evidence, created unfair T&Cs, made false accusations, all in the hope that the court sees what sony wants them to see in order to place a ruling over the things the court didnt see. e.g they have added piracy as a charge whilst quoting so many ways to pirate, whilst geohot did not include any method of piracy with his release. It's like charging the owner of a gun store for having a gun for sale which is the same type of gun used in a crime 100 miles away. The gun in question has never been used, but the same make of gun was used in another crime and so all owners of that gun will be charged for the crime.
      Good god man. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. Your method of argument accuses a party of applying weak statistics when you don't cite actual figures of your own. You're asking a lot when you ask people to believe you when you can't correctly point out where you're citing information (i.e. someone linked a post written by someone).

      While you're cleaning that up, better take some abstraction and math classes. Your example about only 10% of a publisher's consumer base are actual pirates with all the rigmarole that came after that falls flat on the face that 90% of pirates that prey on publishers are NOT consumers and will never be customers since they can get the products for free.

      Lastly, you shouldn't talk like you did when you ended your post when you don't even know the technical details involved in both the making of the cfw and the aspects of the legal case, much less without a trace of evidence of such beyond your opinions that you value highly. You basically are doing what you are accusing Sony of being like.

      I appreciate the perks of an open system but I'm enough of a software engineer to not lambast Sony or any other company for that matter for trying to preserve their business model. I wonder what you'd do if you caught someone stealing from you wholesale.

      P.S. that gun analogy is tepid man. guns are way more versatile than cfw, which gives them that neutral aura of "the blame lies in the hands of the user". the reasons for which cfw were made, though varied, are specific (i.e. for the PS3) and similar and much of the weight of its use is, to borrow a word from you, obviously for piracy.

    22. chemixal
      01-24-2011
      11:49 PM
      22

      Sony did put up some of the most incredibly strongest security system ever to come up in a video game system. Lasted wha..5 years ?

      I understand how pissed the engineers can be right now...but hell... 60 bucks a pop ? Thats allright for a metal gear solid 4 BD-Disc, you know... but how the **** can someone ask 60$ for miniNinjas ......

      If the games were priced according to its quality, there would be 3 bucks games all over the counter, let's face it.

    23. KFallon
      01-24-2011
      11:52 PM
      23

      Originally Posted by chemixal
      Sony did put up some of the most incredibly strongest security system ever to come up in a video game system. Lasted wha..5 years ?

      I understand how pissed the engineers can be right now...but hell... 60 bucks a pop ? Thats allright for a metal gear solid 4 BD-Disc, you know... but how the **** can someone ask 60$ for miniNinjas ......

      If the games were priced according to its quality, there would be 3 bucks games all over the counter, let's face it.
      I totally agree with you man. Merit, thus pricing, where it is due.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      So now let's ask ourselves, did we buy or lease the PS3? one would think that whatever you do with the PS3, you bought it and if you break it, its your responsibility. if they really don't want people to mod the system, then instead of selling the ps3, rent or lease it. otherwise, let us do what we want with our PS3's and leave us alone.
      Sophistry. What could you do with your system anyway if devs like geohot, kmeaw, waninkoko et.al didn't spoon feed everyone with mods? It is not the act of modification of the platform they are concerned about but rather the purpose of the modification and who drives this purpose forward.

      Though backup managers couldn't run on geohot's cfw, it was through omission and not commission; in other words, backup managers didn't run because he simply didn't add it in his cfw and not because he wrote code to prevent them from running, two very different things. We saw some of his latter posts stating that he added such blocks but its likely belated if it was true at all. Seeing that there were "fusions" between his cfw and other releases where tutorials on this and other sites recommended installing his cfw as part of the process of enabling b.u.ms to work just underscores the point that at least one of his cfws did not have an active bum block coded in. Furthermore his CFW was extensible and even other devs chose not to springboard off it, it was surely used for review and perhaps for code cannibalization.

      What some people on here need to see before calling Sony names is that they're reading only one half of the legal procedure, where the defending lawyers are trying to establish that geohot's work was solely confined to his personal system (contrary to the fact that he personally released his work to the public domain for use in ALL systems), that he was not in congress with others (like Bushing) bent on breaking the PS3 system (contrary to all the twitter and other feeds we've witnessed or been privy to in late December), that he was nowhere near California when his acts to "jailbreak" were done to avoid being tried under the California Computer Crime law (California being one of the handful of states that explicitly, meaning in written letter, prohibits the release of malicious software (California Statutes, Title 13 (Penal Code), �� 502(b)(10) and 502(c)(8))).

      Albeit, when one thinks of malicious software, trojan horses, computer virii and other forms malware are what come to mind first and not cfw. Sony wishes to establish in its prosecution that cfw is malicious software (who wants to be the first to argue that piracy is not injurious to Sony and application/game developing companies and that newly released cfw allow rampant piracy to ensue?) and that one the first versions was released by geohot himself (who admitted to its release thus earning the appellation of egohot). Seeing that all current cfw projects are open sourced, a comparison of codes will likely yield interesting genealogies. If any of the new contain pieces of code that trace back to the original geohot cfw then who knows what can be done to make it incriminating evidence of collusion?

      So basically, if Sony secures California as stage of trial, the combination of that and geohot's public admissions on breaking the PS3 and releasing his CFW as its product, proving that geohot colluded with other hackers especially the ones that released bum enabling cfw (evidence of which is all over the web), along with finally establishing malicious intent was part of the making of cfw - then Sony does not really have such a weak case. But it all still hinges on California I believe.One has to look at New Jersey Computer Crime Law at a glance to know it has no teeth even if geohot is convicted:

      New Jersey Computer Crimes Laws
      Code Section 2C:20-23, et seq.
      Note: Section does not specifically classify crimes listed as either felony or misdemeanor. Offenses listed in misdemeanor or felony columns are based on the levels of punishments imposed rather than by explicit classification.

      Mental State Required for Prosecution Purposely, knowingly
      Misdemeanor Computer Crimes Access; any of the following, causing damages less than $200: access plus scheme to defraud; alter, damage or destroy hard/software
      Felony Computer Crimes Access: any of the following, causing damages greater than $200: access plus scheme to defraud; alter, damage or destroy hard/software
      Attempt Considered a Crime? No
      Civil Lawsuit Permitted? No

      Call me a Sony fanboy or whatever but I'm not a hypocrite. In fact, it is because I despise hypocrisy that I write pieces like this and not for any love for Sony or hate of piracy. We all know why we love these mods. We all know why we want Sony to lose. A lot of outcry has been made over "I bought this therefore it is mine to do as I wish" but if we sift through everything, not everything on what we bought is ours. The Sony brand name is on the console, does that mean you can take that word and do with it as you wished? What about the OFW in the console? I'm pretty sure the keys, OS, OFW and similar components coded to protect publisher IP did not become yours (or geohot's for that matter) when you bought your PS3. I didn't see anything on this list on my PS3 packaging allowing me exploit the software internals of the PS3 as I wished. I'm not entirely sure but though one may purchase a copy of Windows 7, he/she is not allowed to modify it in any way and without an opening license, what makes people think that modifying OFW through the discovery of compromised root keys is legal?

      Defending counsel wants to make this issue about hardware and the rights of the buyer to it the focal point of the case to obscure the fact that what was compromised here was the proprietary software within the PS3. Last time I checked, proprietary software piracy and/or hacking were illegal. Honestly, Sony didn't do itself a favor with trying to tie in a PSN alias to an actual person and it certainly was used to ridicule them here, reinforcing the fallacy that all who work for Sony are stupid. So they should just stick to their guns on hacked proprietary software and release of malicious software tried in the State of California if they want any hope of winning.

      I'd like to apologize if I offended anyone in this forum with what I said. I just strongly believe that we should be content with the benefits of an open system without demeaning the "defeated" ones that made the product we all like to use. Sony does what it needs to do, even if seeming desperate at it, to protect not only its business interests but the interests of all parties involved: the faceless programmers and artists that come up with all the flashes and bangs, the marketing and localization teams that work to make these games an engaging experience wherever they're sent around the world etc. It is because it defends these people rights (albeit, for the love of profit) that I have enough sympathy for Sony to not raise the hand of my written or voiced words to strike against them. Thank you.

    24. lernatix
      01-25-2011
      12:11 AM
      24

      Originally Posted by chemixal "Sony did put up some of the most incredibly strongest security system ever to come up in a video game system. Lasted wha..5 years ?"

      Yeah, it was called otherOS. But they removed it, so we had to find something else to do. :P

    25. shonnick
      01-25-2011
      12:55 AM
      25

      Originally Posted by profixit
      i Hope Sony are "buying time"
      It's about time Egohotz was taught a lesson.

      the guy craves attenion, so bring it Sony.
      so what he freed the ps3 i love playing snes games onps3 he will win because its not illegal and he is not selling it. this is just a scare tactic and a shot in the dark, Sony knows they are not going to win they just want to scare every body that thinks it is cool to to hack there stuff lol.

    26. darkfroggy
      01-25-2011
      01:55 AM
      26

      well what he did for our people ps3 afterall was it worth it?? To piss Sony Off??? Sony is a multi$$$ Company and 1 will stand foward?? Or people give him hands to help him out of that mess??U all did use his CFW?? right?? If he only had a paypal account :S

    27. KillerBug
      01-25-2011
      02:07 AM
      27

      LoL...Sony should sue Sony for removal of OtherOS, as this was the reason that this whole thing got started.

    28. ddsdavey
      01-25-2011
      02:08 AM
      28

      I find it truly disgusting and COMPLETELY hypocritical what i now see daily here and i now find myself not wanting to come to my favourite site simply because i leave WOUND UP!
      Im sick and tired of hearing people slate the hackers yet use there applications.
      Lets not forget that whatever Geo is HE IS STILL A KID so give the guy a break Jesus!
      Alot of you are just so full of **** its unreal,truly!

    29. dpspcdrgn
      01-25-2011
      02:32 AM
      29

      I agree 100%.
      Anybody who is bashing on geohot, considering what he has done for this scene is a f^@$!%& idiot.
      What kind of ungrateful ****** (other than somebody working for Sony) would ever take Sony's side on the matter anyways?
      I mean, who's side are you on?
      If you don't appreciate people helping you get the most out of YOUR ps3 than why are you even here?

      Profixit, you really need to give your head a shake.
      Besides, who can blame geohot for tooting his own horn at least a little?
      He's young and damn near a celebrity for his hacking skills.
      Good on him.

    30. TheCyndicate
      01-25-2011
      03:26 AM
      30

      Dude, he didnt really do anything.
      He took someone else work, threw it together and gave it out to everything on earth with a heartbeat.

      I have still yet to see him come up with anything original.

      And because of this, the case should be dropped, instantly.
      They just want to pick on someone, because the bully got his nose busted a-la "The Christmas Story" style.

    31. georged_31
      01-25-2011
      03:27 AM
      31

      This is getting nutss...

      Why are they suing him for how he is using his product/property?�?�?

      I mean this is like someone suing you for living in your own house. wtf!?! Why is sony telling us how to use our consoles btw?

    32. blu9987
      01-25-2011
      03:48 AM
      32

      so... sony is throwing his PSN account into the lawsuit...
      what does that mean for those of us who have Kmeaw and logged into a PSN account (I know you can get banned I don't care about that I have 2 ps3s for a reason) but legal wise; is it "safe" using backup loaders/non-stealth packages and playing online and not clearing our logs (again in a legally lets not get sued way not a ban question)

    33. Sutorcen
      01-25-2011
      06:45 AM
      33

      Imho Sony knows that the Pandora’s Box has opened and they are desperately trying everything they can to salvage whatever they can. Their whole PS3/PSN ecosystem has just collapsed. It is not as simple as running backup games. We are able to transfer DLC’s, Add on content, like songs from RockBand or Singstar. Soon we will be able to unlock trophies at will. Maybe even acquire Home items for free. All this negates the existence of PSN as a concept. Truth be told all those DLC’s (like LPB, ModNation Racers and others) are a major rip-off and it suits them right that we can obtain them for free.

      Even if they manage to win the trial, what then? Will they get all their financial loses from geohot? Likely not. Will the JB code magically disappear? Likely not. It will most likely scare off some people. That will be all. Maybe they will even offer geohot a job to help them lock the PS4 or the PSP2.
      What this whole JB thing will most surely do to the PS3 is skyrocket it’s sales. Many people stay away from current gen consoles because their games cost too much. These same people will surely buy one since they will only have to pay for the console. I know a lot of people who were just waiting for the PS3 to be hacked. I am sure most of you know too. Everyone is hush hush about it though because they know that piracy benefits them more than harms them. It seems crazy right? Well just think about the early days of Microsoft and you will see someone who without piracy probably wouldn’t be so powerful today.

      This trial is also a major ad campaign. Whoever didn’t know about the PS3 now definitely knows about it.

      What I want to say is that, this is all a drama, a play. It is neither the first anti piracy lawsuit that a major company will lose nor the last. You must understand that they have to put up a fight for appearances. For their stockholders, their partners, for the public (oooohhhh piracy is baaaad). That’s why you will see them pull some odd stunts.

      Cheers

    34. t0mps0n
      01-25-2011
      08:33 AM
      34

      who cares about ego when hes actually was trying to help us progress... is that such a bad thing sure he has the guts to show his face but all hackers stay underground and in the shadows because they dont want themselves to look like a show off, he did what he did simply because he could i dont understand why that confuses people and he didnt hide in the shadows he had guts to show who he was... any hacker who shows his face is immediately hated for it how obvious!

    35. TheKeiron
      01-25-2011
      10:30 AM
      35

      A guy on twitter tweeted this:

      On Tuesday 25th January 2011, @N3Ur0t0x1c said:

      SONY vs GEOHOT

      The fw agreement states that in the event of a conflict the fw agreement is the one that shall be used.
      The fw agreement states that no personally identifyable information will be collected about a user.

      if the psn agreement states it collects information against the user that is personally identifyable, then the fw agree,ment overides it, and sony have violate dthey own terms and conditions xD

      as if it violates sony's own t&c's then the info about the psn account cant be used as evidence, (if he hasnt then violatred the psn agreement, he has broken no laws xD)

      courtesy of Shaun Young
      Is this right? Does sony's EULA's for PSN and FW conflict with eachother?!
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Originally Posted by Sutorcen
      I know a lot of people who were just waiting for the PS3 to be hacked.
      I for one used to have an xbox 360 with a flashed dvd drive so I could play backed up games, but as a hacked wii owner it annoyed the sh1t outta me that I couldnt do half the stuff I could do with the wii (in particular a media player that plays everything i throw at it), the minute I heard the ps3 was ripped wide open by the hackers I sold my xbox and bought a PS3, and if the wii scene is anything to go by I wait wait in eager anticipation for the amazing things the PS3 will do (considering the power of it is considerably more than the wii)

    36. profixit
      01-25-2011
      12:41 PM
      36

      dpspcdrgn, Hardy a little. Provoking a sleeping giant is not a good idea.

      And bring it to Sony's immediate attention could of been avoided, to protect Egohotz and the scene, at lest for awhile.

    37. Near
      01-25-2011
      02:26 PM
      37

      Cmon anyone could've created that account.

      If I make an account named God, does it mean God has been playing some PS3 lately?? Does it??

    38. TheCyndicate
      01-25-2011
      11:13 PM
      38

      TheKeiron, he is absolutely correct on that. That is a pretty big opening for Mr Hotz, lets hope he learns about it, and looks into it.

    39. zeveroth
      01-26-2011
      02:37 PM
      39

      I'm gonna create an account that says GeoH0tz and see if they use taht name next. LMAO :thefinger:

    40. apff420
      01-26-2011
      02:52 PM
      40

      To all the whiny critics, go buy yourselves a bottle of johnson & johnson baby shampoo, no more tears for the cry baby pansies