Long time PS3 Dev SKFU posted a link on IRC and his twitter, to quite an interesting article, discussing the security of the Playstation Network(PSN), the article is written by a group calling itself “The Anonymous Data Protection Officers“, here it is in full:
Prologue
Due our objective research of the SONY PlayStation Network, we decrypted nearly 100% of the traffic transferred over proxies, http and https to and from the PSN. Just out of curiosity, not to harm anyone or anything and not like SONY may want people to see it. As SONY calls the scene hackers “evil”, we surely do not address pirates and skiddies, we wondered how SONY is treating
the users’ privacy and rights (remember the Music CD/DVD and USB stick rootkits). After we noticed a few badass functions they have built into the PSN/PS3 functionality, we just call it the “Call of Privacy: Modern Spyware” case.
Below we list and explain a few of the shady PSN functions and data mining stuff. And remember: EVERYONE has a right to know about YOUR OWN PRIVATE data being transferred over the networks !
Sensitive data
Even if a connection is SSL encrypted, companies are aware of the big risk behind custom CA files and it’s possibilities. SONY seems not to care about those known vulnerabilities. It is a big company and a HUGE network. With huge we mean a magnitude of hundreds and even thousands: the PSN utilizes thousands of servers, handled by a very small group of administrators and quality assurance people. (Copied from PS3Hax.net) The IP ranges and domains of these servers are retrievable by anyone, cause this is how the Internet works ! It is all public data and information ! An example is the credit card information and the login authentification itself.
Take a look at the traffic:
creditCard.paymentMethodId=CC_COMPANY&
creditCard.holderName=EXAMPLENAME&
creditCard.cardNumber=1234567890123456&
creditCard.expireYear=2012&creditCard.expireMonth=2&
creditCard.securityCode=123&
creditCard.address.address1=EXAMPLESTREET%2024%20&creditCard.address.city=EXAMPLECITY%20&
creditCard.address.province=EXAMPLEREGION%20&
creditCard.address.postalCode=12345%20
The credit card information should ALWAYS be encrypted. In ANY case. At least the security code. SONY is only relying on it’s https connection. With all those CFWs spreading around, this is not secure anymore. Same goes for the user details:
serviceid=IV0001-NPXS01001_00&
loginid=example@mail.com&
password=examplepassword&
first=true&
consoleid=EXAMPLEID123
Such sensitive data can now be captured by anyone who builds his own custom firmware with custom certificates. There are enough n00b-friendly tools by now. Means, little scriptkiddies can spread their little CFWs and phish user data. As many of these people are using a third party DNS, they are a potential victim of phishing. At the beginning of the PS3 launch, this user data was even transferred over http ! That being said, we continue with…
Information gathering
The PlayStation Network agreement states that SONY is allowed to collect nearly any data that is connected with your privacy.It is clear, that SONY won’t tell you WHAT they are collecting in the TOS etc., as many people would never accept that TOS. A few month ago we noticed the TOS silently beeing updated without a new user agreement request. It was about that you have the right to contact a “Data Protection Offier” at SCEE, who can can give you details about what data is collected. So we phoned SCEE. Beeing forwarded to many people, it turned out that there is no so called “Data Protection Officer”. Funny right? Shortly after this call, the clause was removed from the TOS. SONY itself told us, that they do not know, what we are talking about regarding this Officer.(Copied from PS3Hax.net) They told us, that there was never such a position inside SONY, neither a phone number. Even the address was non existing ! Still it is an impudence what huge amounts of data they are collecting. One example is an information list which is transfered everytime you login the PSN as well as at some random time.
A few short quotes:
TFT-TV
This is a string sent to SONY which includes your TV model. The list is long and contains a lot more like information about
attached USB devices, your home network, your playtime behaviour, installed games, apps, homebrews or their so called
“circumvention devices” and so on. Details about your Home network, statistics etc.
Modern user tracking we guess 
They try to make every PSN user transparent like a glass figurine. It seems that not only
the governments are going for such plans.
The BANHammer
Now SONY is swinging the “mighty” banhammer. Some users are banned, some are only warned. But who warns SONY? Their semi-legal tactics against the enduser are a joke. We again remember their rootkits on Audio Media and USB Sticks.
Just for your interest, we quote a guy from SONY:
Thomas Hesse, President of Sony’s Global Digital Business, literally says: “Most people, I think, don’t even know
what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?”
This is not an urban legend -> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051108/0117239_F.shtml
So we could take this for an example and say: “Most people inside SONY don’t even know what security is, so why should they care about it?”
If SONY cares about their customers, why are they treating them like totally douchebags ? Of course the quote does not reflect the view of the company itself, but HELL, this was not from a Jon Doe inside SONY, it was from a Department’s President !
The PSN is a core feature of the PlayStation3, like OtherOS was. So why do they ban the PSN of users who LEGALLY run homebrew (not backups!) on their consoles? Just because they do not like it? It is a fact that reversing a system is legal in most countries all over the world, and if someone who really only wants to run his own code (no, not backups!), which he legally signed and coded without any SONY libraries or documentation, would sue SONY, they would may lose.
Reverse engineering is also allowed for analysing purposes. E.g. is a software/hardware implementing/running, rootkits, spyware, malicious code, security flaws, transferring privacy data and so on. Imagine if this wouldn’t be legal, any antivirus software would brake the law ! The companies of antivurus software are reverse engineering virus code, that is NOT copyrighted by them !
So why are those companies allowed to RE and even PUBLISH their findings to the public but not people like fail0verflow
etc. ? By studying the PSN since it’s launch we know it’s vulnerabilities pretty good right now and unbanning consoles might be as easy as banning consoles. It is an infinite circle of “who-is-better”. Sony just can not, or just don’t want to, make a clear distinction between pirates&skiddies and hackers, who only want to OWN and UTILISE what they OWN and PAID for. Hackers are responsible for creating stuff like the PC, Unix, Windows, Macs, the Internet, the WWW, AAA games etc. Guess what IBM is calling their Cell/Hypervisor docs ? Make an educated guess: Hackers Guide.
Research Hypervisor Hackers Guide:
This document is intended for programmers who wish to discuss the code of the Research Hypervisor Project. It also attempts to introduce the hopes and dreams of the maintainers of the code that, hopefully, will make those dreams a reality.
http://www.research.ibm.com/hypervisor/HackersGuide.shtml
One last thing:
Our research is based on PUBLIC information, Hardware/Software we OWN and PAID for and the right for our PRIVACY to be PROTECTED !
- The Anonymous Data Protection Officers
Download the PDF here.
02-17-2011
10:50 AM
02-17-2011
10:53 AM
i hope its true
02-17-2011
10:57 AM
If Sony bans us for running legal homebrew, I am filing a class action lawsuit. Who's in?
02-17-2011
10:59 AM
If this is true then sony may be in contradiction to european law on data protection and The Data Protection Act 1998 in the UK
02-17-2011
11:01 AM
WOW, nice thread! Sony should start respecting our privacy! SONY - :thefinger:
02-17-2011
11:04 AM
Fony can suck on my salty nutz!! :thefinger:
02-17-2011
11:08 AM
Sony was right to ban hackers. Fed up of online cheaters using modified games.
02-17-2011
11:23 AM
btw has anyone tried to change the consoleid in charles and see if he's unbanned ? if so, it's a big problem because it means that you can access psn by just changing the console id, and on top of that you can ban a legit user's ID
02-17-2011
11:30 AM
Good post, but the only thing I disagree with it your logic for asking sony to use more than SSL.
The only eventuality where it isnt secure enough is when a PS3 is jailbroken. Jailbreaking your machine then expecting sony to patch up the vulnerabilities caused by doing so is a bit much.
02-17-2011
11:31 AM
without reading i moved to the ''reply'' button, what a freaking funny name i lmfao!!!---- now im g2 read
02-17-2011
11:34 AM
I think its time to contact geohot lawyer and do a clss action lawsuit to sony. With all the information we have against them I think we probably will win.
02-17-2011
11:36 AM
@hax3ps
I hope someone steals your credit card info next time you sign on to psn. Just because I want to run linux on my ps3 doesn't mean I should be denied the right to play games I LEGITIMATELY bought (ie, Bionic Commando), or other services connected to psn (Netflix).
@frederic1
Don't worry, I'm sure Sony in their infinite wisdom will take care of their customers as they always have in the past. All you will have to do is send them your ps3 and a check for $100, allow them to dissect it to verify you haven't done anything that they would deem questionable, and wait for 2 months to get it back. Then they'll let you back on psn. They're very good to their customers, Sony is.
02-17-2011
11:37 AM
PS3 Foruns should ban SONY 4ever too
02-17-2011
12:37 PM
Just goes to show that even major corporations can completely suck at securing their network. Legal team is no excuse for poor security, SONY.
02-17-2011
12:38 PM
Ya, Sony is so good to their customers that they would charge YOU the END USER $100 to send your unit to them so they can check for homebrew or any other type of hack on your system. Sony is so nice to their customers they use ROOTKITS to track what your doing. I OWN MY CONSOLE AND I HAVE ALL RIGHT TO DO WHAT I PLEASE WITH IT! No company will tell me what to do with my $600 console. Got that? Removing Other OS was a good step to consumers as well too right? Sony FAILS!
02-17-2011
12:41 PM
i was waiting for this to be made front page news
Every one who has had a read into and understood what this invasion of privacy means to you the PS3 / PSN user should contact there local trading standards and report sony and ask them to look into this matter.
There is also the matter of the software that sony use on there servers, you would think it was some secure highly encrypted operating system. Infact its an old outdated version of Red Hat Linux with known flaws in its security.
At the very least i would hope the credit card company's get involved in this mess and take action against sony for the handling of there customers data, even shop owners have a responsibility to store credit card transaction slips securely.
Lastly it makes you wonder if peoples credit card info has already been exploited this way as its not as if anyone up to now would suspect that the data was stolen via the PS3/PSN.
02-17-2011
12:42 PM
Errrrrrrrrr.. Me thinks he was being sarcastic. Google the word if you don't know what it is
EDIT Seriously, read both parts of his post and see that he is supporting the right to run homebrew and be online etc and is actually criticising Sony.
02-17-2011
12:48 PM
If so great.
02-17-2011
12:50 PM
this is great info!!! but its all just talk cuz no one is gunna do anything bout it!! we all are just gunna read make a comment or 2 and thats it!!
b.t.w. NOT EVERYONE THAT JAILBREAKS THE PS3 IS CHEATING ONLINE!! I USE THE BACKUP MANAGER JUST IN CASE ONE MY GAMES BREAK!! I DONT MOD ONLINE NOR DOES ANYONE I KNOW SO STOP TAKIN OUT UR ASS AND DONT PUT US ALL IN THE SAME CATEGORY!! TALK BOUT THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE DOIN IT NOT THE REST OF US!!
02-17-2011
12:51 PM
As I said relax and don't take everything too literally
02-17-2011
12:52 PM
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02-17-2011
12:55 PM
02-17-2011
12:59 PM
can people please stay on topic as there has been 6 posts already that serve no purpose other then ruin a good thread with Bullsh#t
02-17-2011
01:10 PM
Really sweet but it's a new battle.
02-17-2011
01:48 PM
unfortunately for ”The Anonymous Data Protection Officers” sony is going to go after them harder than the US went after julian assange.
this information is important for sony just as much as it is for us, only by recognizing their flaws and weaknesses can they build their next system with enough security for us, the consumers and for themselves and investors.
02-17-2011
01:59 PM
sarcasm doesn't always translate well to text. To clarify, Sony sucks, and will likely use this as one more way to draw another dime from their customers.
And for trolls on here who don't agree with ANY part of the hacking / homebrew community, just get the hell out. Nobody cares what you think about us, and we definitely don't want to hear about how you like to suck Sony's c*ck.
02-17-2011
02:07 PM
from what i have seen this is what happend to me on my psp because it got blocked forever due to the fact that $ONY said that i had used someones credit card and spent over $10,000 dollars on PSN the only thing is I NEVER DID but $ONY swears i did but will NOT give any information as to how this could have been done and about a month or so later i see on CNN news that people are able clone your wifi device onto another device via wifi hotspots and then use it as if it was your device and then commit credit card fraud as that is what happend to me and the bad thing is that i CAN PROVE it was not me but the aholes at $ONY refuse to listen to anything i have to say and tell me that dont have to listen or do anything about it so i think $ONY relized the screwed up and instead of dealing with the issue they just blocked me and said deal with it so to anyone who may know this address "akaliljosh@hotmail.com" might want to report it as it was found on MY psp when i went to re-up my trend micro security so if anyone has had the same problem then you should check your security on your ps3 and make sure its still registerd to you and not someone else also DO NOT USE PUBLIC WIFI HOTSPOT CONNECTIONS or someone could STEAL YOUR INFORMATION
02-17-2011
02:33 PM
im anti piracy when it comes to the ps3. im not happy with sony at the moment... we dont deserve these actions that they are taking against us. sony seriously needs to be sued and or forced to stop these actions.
i say we all make a protest site against sonys actions... i wish it was as easy as just making the great world of people to not buy the ps3 console so sony will have no choice but to give our privacy rights back. god seriously think about it they're so concerned about the ps3 that they have no idea how bad it is to put android os on psp2...
im one happy person to take part in this sony modding hacking scene and i hope to god that some one makes it possible for us owners of the ps3 console have our privacy given back to us...
02-17-2011
03:42 PM
That quote from that guy at Sony speaks volumes, not only in regards to concerning rootkits etc. But it also hints to the overall image that Sony may have about it's consumers, the fact that they generally "don't care" yet call their customers "loyal" (and seem to generally ass kiss as seen in that blog post about the console banning) is contradictory, it also explains why a lot of features were taken off the console (you all know the list by now) and a lot of features not added that have been requested by a very very very large mass of users for what feels like now, an eternity(i.e. cross party chat). The PS3 is just a bottomless pit of money for Sony now, they are and always have been since the launch of the PS3, drenched in a sea of red tape.
02-17-2011
04:16 PM
Reading this is quite interesting..
some of you may recall years ago a game publisher got slammed because they were sending more than "anonymous usage data" back to their servers.. and were forced to stop..
why oh why, can't we all raise a query regarding this and have Sony required to play by the rules..
sure there are people pirating games and cheating, there are other ways to take care of these guys (CD keys tied to PSN accounts, etc).
I bought GT5 and I'd really like to play it online, I'd also like to have the freedom to jailbreak/modify a device I paid for, as the law says I'm allowed to do, without fear of having my privacy violated.
seriously, why don't we start a petition to request the consumer protection authorities in our respective countries force Sony to respect our privacy???
rather than just talking about it, screaming "f.u. sony", etc on forums.. get something going demanding that Sony respect the law and a) be prohibited from stopping people from modifying their consoles in a manner that the law clearly has proven they are allowed to AND b) bans them from clear privacy violation in obtaining information which is considered beyond a reasonable scope of "anonymous usage data".
02-17-2011
04:16 PM
so, is the law with us? if someone gets banned from running a homwbrew that's not signed with sony's copywrited tools, that means legal stuff, can we stand against it or we would lose to sony?
02-17-2011
04:32 PM
All who are against piracy are fools ^^ less piracy of games leads to more corporate power leads to more exploitation $ony being a big example. but Steam, Monsanto(chem company),Apple, Microsoft and many more are as corrupt as the come, "absolute power corrupts absolutly"
02-17-2011
04:39 PM
And for those who want to make the car comparison because people love making those comparisons. If you modify a car to the point in that it's not street legal and drive it on the road, it's obviously illegal. If you get caught, you face the consequences. In the same sense, you are taking a PS3 thats no longer legal to use on PSN because you modified it and use unauthorized methods to access PSN. If you get caught, you face the consequences.
As far as the other data being sent, it's still legal as long as they aren't keeping specific identifiers that can lead back to you like serial numbers. Legally, they are allowed to gather just about anything that they can detect, whats illegal is if they keep information that can uniquely identify you. Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc all do the same thing.
02-17-2011
04:39 PM
EVERYONE READ AND SIGN MY PETITION. THIS IS OUR LEGAL RIGHT, AND I EXPLAIN WHY WITH THE LAW STATURES THAT PROTECT US! SPREAD THIS AROUND PLEASE. ITS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BRING THE ISSUE TO CONGRESS SO THEY CAN ENFORCE THE DMCA REVERSE ENGINEERING EXEMPTION LAWS ON SONY!
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/ps3homebrew
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i already did. http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/ps3homebrew
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A court can force a company to take things out of a contract that violates our rights. For instance, if all of a sudden they put in the TOS, "you cant own a gun if you use this service" Then the supreme courts would force them to change their agreement. Rights that are protected under federal law can not be taken from you to use a service. But im pretty sure that sony reserved the right to refuse psn service to anyone. Which is still very arguably unconstitutional.
02-17-2011
04:57 PM
thx. great post. always a pleasure to see such topics. and sad the privacy is kicked in its back - not newbut still sad...
p.s: there was a post containing stuff like: "the psn was secure without jailbreaking you cant sued sony for being insecure when comes to psn..."
well, "jailbreaking/cfw" is nothing new and if you sell a device like a ps3 with its features(psn), from the beginning on you have to suggest jb/cfw will happen and you have to take care. reversing/hacking could be called "native" in the age of web_2.0. ask yourself the otherway round: could a car-manufactor sell you a machine with the feature to control temperature inside and then dont care/update if it doesnt work anymore, cause it is 3 degrees colder then suggeested from the manufactory?(temperature variation is also native on our planet...)
so you see if they would care about you they would update their security. but obviously they dont. all they care for is a legit psn so you are going nasty for games and buying more and more and more and ... and maybe misuse your data additional to get more money from you. yeah, **** yourself and support this company
02-17-2011
05:12 PM
Ok so sony tries to install rootkits on their CD/DVD's.
They Fail and get in trouble
Ok so sony decides to now try including rootkits on their USB Drives.
They Fail and get in trouble
Ok so now sony decides to try and install a rootkit on our PS3's?
Status pending.....
This sounds to me like they are doing the same thing over and over but they are expecting different results. I do believe that is the clinical definition of Insanity.
02-17-2011
05:51 PM
@hax3ps, @frederic1
If you two jerkoffs (and other equally retarded like-minded "people" on here) are so against pirates/hackers/jailbreakers, then WHY THE F**K are you on a friggin website called PS3HAX? Go pollute the official Fony forums with your particular brand of trolling, and get the h.e.l.l. off our boards.
I smell Fony plants. Take this back to your bosses (and lawyers):
02-17-2011
05:51 PM
Lol now i know why Sony is so scared and trying to stop the hackers and claiming they will face "damage". Because they are hiding stuff. I bet they are ****ting their pants right now waiting for this **** to go public. I hope they can post some concrete proof that this is all true. Can any one confirm these claims?
02-17-2011
06:21 PM
Someone should find and post the $0NY presidents credit card info so he can see how it feels knowing that hundreds of people know what he does and what he spends his money on and even what porn sites he visits LOL maybe then the assbag might get the point and quit the BULL$HlT :thefinger: SUK IT $0NY :thefinger: also if im not mistaken this IS invasion of privacy via the internet thats UNLAWFULL and ILLEAGLE its like tapping a phone WITHOUT a FEDERAL WARRENT and by LAW you CANNOT do that EVER and for all we know $0NY could be selling said information to any third party for any reason and then say they ($0NY) have all the right in the world to do so so stand up people and say HELL NO to $0NY and DEMAND our RIGHTS be regonized
02-17-2011
06:28 PM
This i think is the only way we can really challenge what Sony is doing, as it stands now in the eyes of the public and people who deal with sony will not believe a word of this if it come from uncredited source. Where as if this is investigated by the right people and made public (none hack scene news) it will be more valid in the eyes of the public credited and backed up by evidence.
I really hope this happens as it will damage Sony badly not only through bad publicity and cost's of revamping and securing PSN but also the possibility of court case been brought against them resulting fines. I bet Sony are sweating there little Jap balls off over this.
02-17-2011
06:56 PM
Ok normally i dont reply but i have to agree about us all getting blaimed for idiots that make mistakes
This means that i agree that we shouldnt be punished for idiots who exploit online play such as hacks such as idiots on Call of Duty. I dont even own any Call of Duty games. Of course i would mess around with a hack but on my own time not with dozens of players online where it hinders their experience.
I will have to admit that it is tempting to back up games on multiple systems just so you can have a fair round of gameplay and be able to communicate with your buddies in the same room. Otherwise you have to depend on 3 other friends paying 60 bucks on the same game every single time. Well i can tell you that my friends have a varied interest in games :| I dont even understand why you cant even provide a 2 player LAN on every game so you can simply have 2 console and have a versus. In generally i have to give credit to the older days where multiplayer accessibility was maxed out and u could have 4 people on one system or simply juss hook your system up to another and have 4 to 6 players on two systems which would have only cost you 30-50 bucks back then depending on how far you went back.
>So ya sharing my games definatly sounds tempting (like this has not gone on for a million years anyway) but it doesnt make me a hacker trying to rig online play<
02-17-2011
07:16 PM
http://www.ps3hax.net/ps3/smilies/thefinger.gifGO HARD OR GO HOMEhttp://www.ps3hax.net/ps3/smilies/thefinger.gif
02-17-2011
07:34 PM
As of now, they are doing what they are legally allowed to do. Disable PSN access to those caught on PSN using a hacked PS3. Microsoft did worse and crippled the 360 consoles that were caught.
02-17-2011
07:41 PM
It makes me sick when a game like black ops makes 2 billion dollars. and they ***** about the 60 million they didnt make due to piracy. Honestly pirating games isnt even worth the time to download (24+ hours on 8bit cable) or hard drive space. Back ups should be allowed, because alot of people own games but do their blue ray drives broke for no reason passed warranty (thanks sony) or they broke or lost the games themselves. Over the years ive bought over 800 dollars worth of games for the ps3 that i lost or broke when i got my console ripped off. There is alot of honest people being crucified for the people who steal games. And i would not be surprised if dead space 2 and killzone 3 was leaked by sony early to demonize the jailbreak scene. Sony is trying to put TROs on people to prevent this kinda of information from coming out. Because like Geohot said, putting a tro on hackers wont put the cat in the bag. But putting a tro on them will stop them from looking back in the bag and finding all the cat sh*t left behind.
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And you are very uneducated in law if you think the supreme court will rule in favor of sony after all this **** just hit the fan. They are going to sit down, put their arm around sony's shoulder and say,
"man, you just keep f**kin up. You know, we really like you sony. You make some damn good technology. But were just going to have to break up. Its not working for us any longer. You cant keep violating our citizens rights and sue everyone who would expose your corrupt ways. Im so sorry i really am, aww dont cry. You will find better i promise. Your so much better than me anyways. How about iraq, i heard she was checking you out."
and what violates my rights and everyone elses. Is the fact that sony promised me a system that only does everything when i bought it including the functionality of psn. And now it does. Except make toast, im still trying to figure that one out.
02-17-2011
09:00 PM
The problem here is, they know we won't organize ourselves.
Most of the kids that want to "hack" the PS3, are all out to make a name for themselves and to brag about it.
GeoHot is a good example. He took other peoples work, wrote a few lines of code that was already public and just because he was the first to put out a custom firmware(due to his lack of checking if it was safe, because he wanted to be the 1st and get sole credit for it), he gets credit for it by a lot of people that don't know any better.
Most other developers waited to release because they were trying to make sure they didn't wreck other peoples consoles.
Then Geo released his prematurely, just to get E-Fame, so some of the other guys had to go ahead and release theirs early and this ended up ruining a whole bunch of peoples PS3's.
All because of a stupid quest for E-Fame.
Let me tell you, you don't WANT E-Fame. They think they do, all up until they get it. I went through this myself on the PS2 when I help make some popular homebrew software and programming hardware/interfaces.
I couldn't sign on without being bombarded. Somehow, people got my AIM name, my personal E-Mail and they just would NOT STOP begging me for unreleased software & hardware. 24/7. E-Fame SUCKS, period.
However, everything I wrote above, is EXACTLY why Sony isnt scared to do these illegal activities.
They know everyone is out for themselves and they have an entire company with HUGE amounts of capital and their own permanent legal team.
When they go after us, its everything they have, against ONE person. None of your so called E-Friends will help, they wont show up, they dont help with legal bills, nothing. People disappear when it gets legal.
The ONLY solution, is one that I see as possible, but KNOW it is almost impossible.
We all have to get organized, or we will lose our rights to OWN things we buy. This is MADNESS. You have to purchase something they admit is YOURS, yet you cant rip it apart and make your own things to work with it. On top of that, they STEAL information from you, without permission. The law on this CLEARLY states that you cannot HIDE data mining agreements deep inside of a Terms of Service agreement. Data mining is required by LAW to have its own separate agreement and Sony does NOT do that.
We not only need to band together, we MUST bend together. A class action lawsuit needs to be filed against Sony. Every single dev is going to have to bite the bullet and show themselves to do this. I am already willing to do this.
We will have to raise capital for legal bills and transportation. So we will need a website dedicated to getting donations for the cause. This website needs to be handled by a 3rd party attorney. That way it is legal and the trail of money is open for everyone to see.
We are all going to have to work together. You cant have in-fighting, you cant have these e-fame competitions. If you disagree with someone, then talk about it in a civil manner. The internet has gone insane with keyboard warriors who are scared and quite in real life, yet go online and talk MAD garbage to make up for their low self esteem. There is no room for that here. You can disagree with someone, lay out your points and back it up with fact as much as possible. At some point, finding some common ground and agreeing with whatever the result is.
People that want to learn, need to ask. NOT to just have completed work handed to you like you are some king that deserves it. NO, you need to follow directions and do that work.
People that are the Elite of the scene and know more than most, need to teach, openly. When someone asks for help, try to help in a very tight and concise manner. I know it can be a pain in the aѕs, but this is what we need.
We all need to get educated on laws connected to this subject(Electronics & DMCA). Then people will have the ability to hunt down and expose laws that these huge companies are breaking with impunity.
Congress needs to get involved. They didn't obviously mind getting involved when everyone decided to pass the DMCA law, even though it glaringly breaks many of our constitutional rights. You can just tell they never read the proposed law, they just signed it because Sony donated money to them. It's that simple. Evidence needs to be collected. Abuses needs to be exposed and this is the way it will have to be done.
Now do you see how complicated this is?
This is exactly why Sony does what they do. They know how complicated it would be, for us to do anything about it.
Well I know there are some Rich people that care about this subject.
Their will NEVER be a better and more pure use of money than this situation. We need people with money to help kick off this entire situation.
I really just hope we can all get together, someday soon and put behind all of the petty motivations people have had and exchange them for better motivations that will benefit everyone, even more-so, themselves.
-TheCyndicate
02-17-2011
09:08 PM
@claytonian I'm in
02-17-2011
09:15 PM
I cannot say much about the US Laws, but the UK ones do have a lot of things in place that Sony are severely bending if not actually breaking (the EULA rules for one), but most people do not seem bothered about the legal side. They just like to shout F**K Sony and such lol
02-17-2011
09:16 PM
i understand entirely but here's the thing name one thing in history that has been "free to the public" that was not once monitored by a higher power...whoever has the money makes the rules weather we like it or not, i'm sure that they are governed by the notion that if anyone has a problem with them monitoring their system they can just not join psn or online gaming...hell even at facebook if you want to participate in any app you have to grant them access to your information
My brother in law wrote this on behalf... we both have cfw and homebrew and we use our ps3 for everything...
so we understand how this is for everyone...
02-17-2011
09:48 PM
I would love to see people taking advantage of all the holes sony has written into 3.56; I really don't want to see the theft of accounts and credit card info, but I would really love to see sony getting sued by 5,000,000 people who all had their credit card stolen as a result of a backdoor that sony installed intentionally, and locked with a (now public) key. Granted, the corrupt courts would let them off with a slap on the wrist (in about 10 years), but it would at least wake people up to the existence of rootkits.
02-18-2011
01:52 AM
i don't really care about psn it sucks anyways.sony i will only update if you improve your dam service.i will use my xbox for exclusives and my ps3 for exclusives and some multiplateform why you may ask because the ps3 has no games worth playing online = )
02-18-2011
02:09 AM
Just like to take this time to post these wallpapers
:thefinger: sony.
02-18-2011
08:41 AM
Just use Xlink kai until something new will come out, you can play there black ops online and there are daily more people joining. Here is the Tutorial Lets Go Online ! \(^.^)/
02-18-2011
12:47 PM
as far as i am concern you can use xkai only for games that support ad hoc multiplayer, not for any game that can be played online.
So i think you cant play online GT5...
Am i wrong?
02-18-2011
04:09 PM
true. only lan or ad hoc enabled games work on xkailink. But that does not mean a virtual psn private servers for small amounts of people is not possible. especially since we can redirect where the ps3s connect to through charles.
02-18-2011
09:18 PM
@Supa_Sick.
The PSN isn't free.
I paid 700 bucks for my PS3 at launch.
The reason you pay for the XBox Live service, is their console costs less than half of the PS3 cost at the time.
So we all paid for the PSN, it is NOT free.
Just because we don't pay monthly, isn't to say its free.
On top of that, LAW says they cannot install these things without consent and SEPARATE agreements. They are NOT allowed to hide rootkit/spyware agreements inside of the normal TOS agreement.
Sony knows this, that's why they just updated the agreement.
The problem is, they didn't expect us to be able to crack the firmware and the keys. So they didn't think we would even know about the rootkit or spyware contained in it.
They have been caught. Now it is up to us, to take it a step further and make sure this goes legal instead of just talking about it.
02-19-2011
06:58 PM
somethings shouldn't be transferred by http or transferred at all im declaring war on sony whos in
03-01-2011
10:49 AM
awwwwwwwwwwwwwww aint that shhweeeet here have some flowers
04-27-2011
01:24 PM
THATS IT!!!!
My PS3 is available on ebay tomorrow!
04-27-2011
07:44 PM
I have seen 3 purchases made that i did not do ? now i am going to get the complete detailed list from my bank . then i will see if there is more purchases other than than caught by me
. i was just looking around ps store & i came across the little ps3 bag icon .this showed that i made a purchase .just to say about cfw & homebrew + modding games like me. i only mod my games for offline to have fun & since the old gaming world has been ruined by online gaming. every game had cheats so what is the difference if devs give us cheats, or we enable them ourselves cause they took them away ? i miss the cheats that we had in all games till ps3 anti cheat bull crap system . they could at least put them back + they can disable the cheats as easy as 123 when u play online with DEV in game cheats.also let us who used cheats in the begining of the nintendo,snes.sega, ps1 ,ps2 & so on have our fun. is not gaming supposed to be fun ? my god everyone who complains about cheats is a joke . not everyone cheats online ,so stop talking about cfw users are just cheaters ,cause you who says this is way off . people who use them online should know better . offline cheats & modding dont hurt nobody. we who have been gaming for 30+ years, had these options inb every game. i can speak for me & others my age who miss having these options in games !!! CFW gives a whole new world of excitement ,this is how gaming is supposed to be ( FUN !) NOT lawsuits + take our in game cheats away . we have a right to the devs cheats we buy these games @ $60 a pop ,so we should get what the game had b4 they patch the cheats that the devs get to use when ever they feal like it ! why is it ok for the devs to have unpatched games with cheats but we get screwed out of the full game options . sorryt if i am off topic a little but i think this still falls into ofw & cfw ,there is no difference . the only difference is sony hides the data from us & we dont get to move,install nothing on it & thats a crop os $hiznits .to me this is bull especially now we are in 2011 game systems. we should have full controll of our game systems just like a pc . my ps3 is the main system that runs my home theater with a 30 foot screen ,spent over 12,000 just to have a killer setup ,so you better believe i am going to have my ps3 cracked wide open for me to have homebrew & cheat offline + have my own ripped movies that i paid 4 to my own personal collection.. kids now these days have no idea how gaming was when it started with atari so they should have no say so in this subject & complain about anything ,unless players cheat against them. this doesent mean we are all cheaters !! .my god these kids just got started ,& us elders have been there since day 1#.. i hope sony takes it dry with sandpaper ,they deserve nothin less than to be sued like they have sued the innocent... 
as for our data being stolden & sony lying i knew they were hiding something + much much more .. now i cant wait to see my full psn purchases liust from the bank ,im shure there will be more than what i had caught 4 shure.if so i will be suing them to ..ps FU Fony sony. spyware is completly overkill & illegal & a dirty a$$ move the firmware will never touch my ps3 !!