More updates from the drama-tastic battle between Sony vs Geohot. As you know recently Sony was denied the request to expedited discovery, and the ridiculous subpoenas they asked for. However not all is a win, today Sony scored another one and Geohot is now forced to give up his HDD with all his data including those of PS3 hacking. 
To quote an article from Wired:
PlayStation 3 jailbreaker George Hotz must allow console-maker Sony to comb through his computer’s hard drive and retrieve information “that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation,” a federal judge ruled Thursday.
U.S. District Judge Susan Illston’s ruled from the bench in Sony’s ongoing legal action against the New Jersey hacker, who goes by GeoHot. The lawsuit is in connection to the 21-year-old being the first to fully hack the 4-year-old console, a jailbreak allowing it to play pirated and home-brewed games.
Hotz posted the code on his website last month, and put a how-to video on YouTube. That landed him in court here on Digital Millennium Copyright Act civil allegations. Among other things, Sony accuses him of trafficking in devices that circumvent controls meant to protect copyrighted works.
In the Thursday hearing, Hotz’ attorney, Stewart Kellar, objected to the judge’s bench order, saying Sony would be able to “observe” the contents of all his client’s files.
“That’s the breaks,” Illston said.
Hotz has already removed the YouTube video and the code from his website to comport with the judge’s earlier orders.
The judge had originally ruled weeks ago that Hotz must surrender all of his computer gear to Sony. But Kellar asked for reconsideration, and a hearing was hastily called Thursday
Illston informed Kellar that it was routine for the entire contents of computers to be searched in a bid to isolate what is being sought, as in child pornography prosecutions.
“Your honor, we’re certainly not dealing with child pornography in this issue,” Kellar replied.
Moments later, the judge responded:
“Here, I find probable cause that your client has got these things on his computer,” she said. “It’s a problem when more than one thing is kept on the computer. I’ll make sure the order is and will be that Sony is only entitled to isolate … the information on the computer that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation.”
The DMCA makes it either a civil or criminal offense to traffic in wares meant to circumvent devices protecting copyrighted works. Performing a similar hack on a mobile phone is lawful.
Sony’s attorney, James Gilliland, was quick to point out to Illston that the mobile phone is not at issue here. “The conduct Mr. Hotz has engaged in is still covered by the DMCA,” he said.
The judge also backed off on an order that Hotz “retrieve” the code from anybody who he may have forwarded it to.
“It’s information. It can’t be retrieved. It’s just not practical,” Illston said. “What would they do, Xerox it and mail it back? ”
Illston said she changed her mind because she was not clearly aware of the details in her earlier order.
“This kind of got away from me and I apologize for that,” she said from the bench.
The judge ordered Sony and Kellar to confer with each other on the parameters of where and when Hotz would allow Sony to sift through his computer. She also ordered him not to delete or modify any files connected to the jailbreak.
Meanwhile, Sony is threatening to sue anybody posting the code, even though Sony accidentally tweeted it earlier this week.
Sony’s attorney, Gilliland, said the Japanese console maker has been sending out an undisclosed number of DMCA “takedown” notices to websites demanding the code’s removal.
Sony is also asking Judge Illston to order Google to surrender the IP addresses and other identifying information of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on Hotz’ private YouTube page. The game maker is also demanding that Twitter provide the identities of a host of hackers who first unveiled a limited version of the hack in December.
A hearing on that is scheduled next month. Sony is seeking unspecified damages.
02-10-2011
09:19 PM
Damnit! I bet geohot has way more ps3 hacks that he never released and now sony has em all!
02-10-2011
09:19 PM
That's stupid
... Maybe one day, sony will loose all the customers for this attitude
02-10-2011
09:19 PM
i better go destroy my hdd just in case they try to sue me for breathing their air
02-10-2011
09:22 PM
and boom goes the dynamite.
seriously, EVERYONE"S ip adress, what, they planning a sue-a-thon or something? sheesh.
02-10-2011
09:24 PM
I am stuck between mad and happy.
I am happy because geohot ****ed up the ps3! if he didn't even begin to hack the ps3 otherOS would still be there and everything would be all good!
but I am mad because Sony is over reacting and ****ing up everything! I kinda hope sony goes down and the Playstation is history, I wouldn't mind moving BACK to xbox.
02-10-2011
09:28 PM
02-10-2011
09:37 PM
Everybody thought Sony was wasting there time and had no case. Mark my words Sony will win this.
They arent going to get a payday or a secure system out of it, but they will win in court atleast. Egohot could have avoided alot of trouble by keeping his identiy secret.
02-10-2011
09:41 PM
im certain it isnt backed up in about a hundred more places
02-10-2011
09:42 PM
I would assume he at the very least had a copy of Sony's SDK... They will tear him to pieces if he does.
02-10-2011
09:42 PM
geohot is in big trouble
he had better not take credit for failoverfl0ws hack :thefinger:
02-10-2011
09:46 PM
02-10-2011
09:48 PM
I hope he already formatted his hard drive!
02-10-2011
09:50 PM
my question,
What could have prevented him to remove all the crap he already had in this period ?
was his stuff hold by authority till judge ruling ?
02-10-2011
09:51 PM
02-10-2011
09:53 PM
:O This is where we find Sony integrating geohot's intellectual property in their next version of PS.
Then Mr. Hotz can sue them and get all their HDD's ! ALL OF THEM
02-10-2011
09:54 PM
When I was 14 years old (13 years ago already? geez) I learned how to wipe my hard drive to all 0's in accordance to DOD standards.
If geohot knew this was coming as long as he did, and didnt completely wipe everything off that hard drive, then he deserves to get eh screwed(?) up
If it was me I would have backed it all up somewhere secure then completely wiped that hard drive to the point where you couldnt even tell what operating system i used to run, much less what ps3 information I had.
02-10-2011
09:57 PM
i hope they will get hhd from wrong pc. what stupid will give the righte disc .i see a video of hem hem had many pcs and ps3s in the room
02-10-2011
09:58 PM
Everyone calling Geohot Egohotz and all that are missing the facts. I was on board when everyone said ohhh geo only took everyone else's work and tried to profit off it. But guess what... nothing huge has happened since the legal b/s started. Eg., no 3.56 CFW even in the works, and only way to run linux on 3.55 is asbestOS (no disrespect kmeaw)... Don't call him Egohotz... Geo was trying to JAILBREAK the ps3... for homebrew and freedom to do what you want to the console like he did to iphones, now even your grandma jailbreaks her iphone... You guys are ungrateful.
02-10-2011
09:59 PM
I think everyone is looking at this all wrong, think about it if anyone knows or recalls the Directv when it was hacked and everyone was watching free tv. Directv took the hacker to court draged him through every legal aspect months and months of court dates and after everything was said and done Directv hired him and is paying him $250,000 a year and since then there system has never been hacked again... So I wouldnt be surprised if GeoHot becomes an employe of Sony...See you dont have much choice when that becomes your only option.
02-10-2011
10:00 PM
Guys i know its sad but stop dreaming and accept the true, the CFW is dead......
02-10-2011
10:02 PM
Does everyone remember what happened in the early 2000s, when DVD encryption was cracked (DeCSS)? Companies like Universal went apecrap over it, suing everyone they could and issues similar cease-and-desist letters to anyone who so much as thought about the code. The internet fought back, posting the code in every way, shape and form imaginable...as haikus, MIDI files, even printed on T-shirts.
I say its time we do it again. I've already ordered a T-shirt with the key printed on it from Cafe Press and intend on taunting Fony as much as humanly possible with it. What are they going to do, sue me over clothing? :P
02-10-2011
10:07 PM
If Geohotz has any sense these files would have been kept encrypted or deleted and overwritten from the moment it appeared Sony would be acting like this before such a time as he was under the courts jurestiction.....
Let's just hope he thought of that....This really is a Landmark case. Looks like Sony is really out for blood, eh? and from everyone it would seem!
02-10-2011
10:08 PM
02-10-2011
10:11 PM
02-10-2011
10:13 PM
i think Sony have to clear this Up before the new PSP2 comes out, becose of the Securety, They want know how GeoHot do all this Magic!
GeoHot you are AMAZING!! all the Power to You!!!
Now i know why Michael Jackson was murdered! from Sony, if you don't want be anymore the puppet from them, they come after you.
Sony for you i have only one thing, :thefinger:
02-10-2011
10:14 PM
sony can win the court case but they lost the battle and money
02-10-2011
10:17 PM
PSP2=GEOHOT as a sony EMPLOYEE
02-10-2011
10:18 PM
since Hotz's locked up errr sorry sued, not one's able to sign anything on 3.56
02-10-2011
10:20 PM
:aetsch:
:musicus:
02-10-2011
10:27 PM
Well I don't know why the hackers won't come together are bring $ony to it's knees like in the movies HACKERS or ANTITRUST. It can be done. As of now there will never be anymore CFW's. GH is phaqed. $ony Wins, and we all LOSE!!! If GH is was so smart he should've gave all other hackers his work and we would be always a step ahead of $ony. But, I guess he's not worrying about us peeps here in the scene, but only what can help his life. So everyone might as well update to 3.56 just to get back on PSN. KaKaRoTos aas left the PS3 scene. $ony scared him off. Keamw is gone as well. The new PS3MFW will never support 3.56 the developers say. So why even bother is we go online anymore and have our homebrew as well.
02-10-2011
10:36 PM
i would laugh my ass off if he sent them a blank hardrive and if they do sue him and win just file Bankruptcy then you cant pay the damages lol jokin:aetsch:
02-10-2011
10:43 PM
i have a real bad feelinmg about all this... i hope geohot has nothing to hide and that everything he did is back up by the law otherwise he and all of us are screw ..too bad the trials are in cali i would go to the court house and support him but i am in NYC ... best of luck funny looking dude
02-10-2011
10:46 PM
sony wins again take this hackers
02-10-2011
10:55 PM
What most of you missed is the fact that sometimes you have to strategicly pull back and study your enemies movements. right now, the devs are out there watching and waiting. they haven't left the scene. they just needed to slow down, watch and wait.
02-10-2011
10:57 PM
Seems to me, all you people mostly care about is getting your CFW. You dont really seem to be discussing details of the case, or really understand how this is impacting you. Let me give you an example I noticed.
Did anyone else notice that the Judge had made a ruling, to deny Sony some of the requests, Then out of nowhere, comes back and says, "I kind of got lost with everything and didnt understand the depth of what was going on, now I have changed my mind."(Paraphrase).
To me, this is REALLY alarming. The ruling was made, Sony didnt like it, went back to the Judges office, told her that she needed to change her ruling, and this is why,.blah blah, then the ruling gets changed.
THAT is a BIG problem. It smacks of corruption and it needs to be investigated. At the very least, it is unethical and unconstitutional, at the most, it is criminal cronyism.
02-10-2011
11:28 PM
you want homebrew, piracy and near complete freedom, you stay on 3.55 and lower.
if you just need to play cod pissing contests with strangers and trophy levels, update to slave.56 and be privy to what sony thinks they should give you. i mean, just look how they treated the psp go and that old game voucher promise that failed to do. and all those failed promises of what home was suppose to be/do. (trophy room, hdd media streaming, fun). yeah, have some grand adventures tricking people into thinking you're a woman, but then again, you're probably getting a chubby doing it.
that's that. what about the psn is so godam special? the world and your life will continue without it. i went 24 years without online gaming, i don't pay to be on psn and i don't need it to get my kicks from games.
blaw blaw blaw. 3.55 is where its all at for me.
02-10-2011
11:55 PM
Am sure geohot thought ahead and not much data will be lost. Who doesn't keep some sort or back up these days? Not many people.
02-10-2011
11:59 PM
Think for a minute, if you were a hacker and you had a CRAP LOAD of information on hacking the PS3 and got served the papers, what would be the first thing you would do. Back up all of your data regardless if it is cloud storage of a hidden physically HDD, then only leave certain data on your computer that would keep you clean, then do more then just 0 out the data on your computer, possibly do a 35x Gutman pass on the old hacking stuff then DL files like crazy to cover up the Gutman pass so the hard drive would seem as if it has just had that data (the new downloaded files) on it for a while. So if sony did get the computer they would see all of the files you want them to see, and would be able to see if alot of data got scrambled b/c the newly downloaded files (if done right) would cover it up.
I hope that is the case for GeoHot.
02-11-2011
12:14 AM
Ok so he has to hand over the hard drives and not delete anything on them.
I would be encrypting the data (and doing a better job that Sony did LOL) and arguing the exact point that Sony are.
I'm very surprised that the court allowed this....under what authority?
02-11-2011
12:26 AM
You know he can just copy huge multiple files and delete it, over and over again till its impossible to scan old files or format the hard drive fully like 16 times. Also he can just drop the hard drive accidentally its curtains for the hard drive.
02-11-2011
12:41 AM
well this is getting more and more boring. regardless of the win on sony's side people will still modify items they pay for
02-11-2011
12:47 AM
"Guys i know its sad but stop dreaming and accept the true, the CFW is dead"
Only if you screwed up and upgraded to 3.56. :aetsch:
Yea, I don't understand the whole handing the drives over to $ONY so that THEY can look through them. How do we know they aren't going to inject their own data on to the drive which could falsely incriminate GeoHotz? It seems like if it is that big of a deal then they should be handed over to a governmental investigative department.
Subpoenas for Google to hand over IP addresses? It is obviously just scare tactics directed towards everyone on the scene. They realize that they can't undo the fact that a large number of people have this CFW. So what they are attempting to do is scare people away from using it. Nice try $ony, but even you don't have enough money or power to pursue all the people behind every IP address that you might get. Where would they even begin? Don't believe them for one minute. They seem to think their power level is on par with the FBI. I can't believe the judge keeps granting these ridiculous requests. She needs to be removed.
02-11-2011
12:49 AM
All we have here is the progress on how Sony is going along with this court procedure, And it's anoying seeing how well sony are doing. Can we have a front page news of how Hotz is going along and what his defence againts all this crap?
Anyway, Hotz didn't release what he discovered 'for bad intentions' or to abuse sony in any way. He clearly made a point and prove'd the PS3 is capable of doing more than what sony limits it to. He gave the users (You/Me) the ability to customize/backup and create small apps that expands the consoles useage turning it into more than just a console.
Off topic about this topic - He wasn't the one that encouraged other developers to allow the console users to pirate/backup there-own or for that matter hired games. He only gave developers the ability to do what they wanted with there machine at there own risk whether or not it was for good or bad intentions.
Not everything that has been done to the PS3 as of this date can be held up apon his shoulders. Sony's intentions for these court hearings would in my opinion be based on them losing profit (what money has been lost?).
What ever sony manages to retrieve off Hotz harddrive will be used not only as evididence againts Hotz but for future console security.
Everyone has to have a open mind about this, It's not all just F-U $ony - But with what is being released in the News sections on this site makes it look like sony is trying to take-over its users. Just like Hotz allowed the ability of many people to take-over the PS3.
Don't get me wrong, I'm on Hotz side more than sony but everyone has to keep it open-minded with both sides of the story.
02-11-2011
12:55 AM
lol Sony can't read the drive because Geo used a truly random number for his HDD encryption.
02-11-2011
01:05 AM
Is it just me, or am i the only person who has looked up who this piece of **** judge is. And just found out that she was born in tokyo japan? Soooooo i mean. Where does her loyalty lay?
02-11-2011
01:09 AM
02-11-2011
01:58 AM
plex, I think he has a good point.
It isnt really racism, but more an issue of intent on Sonys part.
Did Sony INTENTIONALLY file to get this judge, because they thought that the Judge might lean more towards them, due to the Judges race/heritage?
If so, that's criminal.
You see the pattern here?
Breaking the D.M.C.A. without making a profit is CIVIL not criminal.
Sony's current tactics are CRIMINAL not civil.
WTF is going on in this country?
Also, if this is the same Judge I remember from San Fransisco, Hotz is in deep ѕhіt.
02-11-2011
02:04 AM
I will continue to buy Sony Products because they are GOOD product. There games (the exclusive ones at least) are good and they deserve every penny. Sony wanted to be a good company and give us a product for LESS than what it takes to build it. And the playstation has always been like a TANK!(right behind a nintendo products) I have an original playstation and it still works and my PS3 is now like 5 years old (I maintain it myself). I want Sony to succeed and do well. I hate Bill Gates and M$ and their P.O.S. Xbox360. I hope they lose against Geohotz tho. But maybe they will learn a lesson. They should be more like the android market and allow home made apps. What if they made a Backup manager but made a way for them to track what ps3 each game belongs too. What if the ps3 was open source and anyone caught cheating on psn gets banned. What if home was more like second life. And Why can't they allow emulators. Don't give me the excuse of wasting the products life on it cause I used to play music on all the time and that waste life. I for one am going to go out very soon and buy a couple playstation exclusive titles, (brand new not used) and then back it up on my hacked ps3. The only reason I wanted to have linux on the ps3 in the first place is so i can make some video games for it in its own native environment. But its now step further. All Sony needed to do was make linux with full compatibilities. WHY DID HYPERVISER HAVE TO BLOCK FULL RSX ACCESS! We never would be here right now if they just allowed it. I would buy my ps3 games and be happy with linux. Sony you made one wrong move and you must learn from your mistakes when making the ps4 (which I will buy unless geohotz go to jail) or we will eventually hack it too. P.s. I can now make ps3 games and i will be making homebrews soon. but I want to be a game designer too and work for Sony's R&D. Always will be a Sony Fanboy. I live In CA and I wish I could somehow be a witness in this Case.:shakehands:
02-11-2011
02:17 AM
But unfortunately that is not how it works, If one is qualified to be a judge then why not be a judge? No one knows what happens behind the scene of court trials whether its 100% ligit or 100% phony.
We don't get to choose what judge one person gets whether the judge makes unfair decision or not.
02-11-2011
02:24 AM
02-11-2011
02:35 AM
And I saw in a dream, the sky was a dark grey and there stood Sony, with its doors closed. it was 2013 and the giant corporation was closed for good.
Not just because the PS3's, but angry consumers turned there backs on Sony because of there dishonesty. and the PS3 that were operational were well hacked and made into super computers that breached Sony's own security as the hackers laid under ground, for they all gathered there PS3 made them themselves a cluster of 500 and then they poked and peeked and found the truth of SCEA, The truth of how they had built plans to build inferior items and cause the consumer much grief Sony began with publishing infereiour updates for the PS3 causing them to malfunction . and yet the consumers grew aware of what SCEA was doing and had chosen not to update any more.
And soon the woman of Sony became infertile and was laid barren and was no longer able to conceive.
She had become a harlot distrusted and despised just like a poisonous serpent that slithers on the ground.
Oh Woe unto you Sony for you have saught greed and you have drank the blood of the innocent, Woe unto you Oh Sony, For your doors sahll come to a close, You will lose your gold and silver and you will bleed gold and silver like a severed artery will bleed.
You Sony, Have no morals and no values. and now Comes your judgement for you think you are winning, but in truth you are nailing your own coffin closed.
Be ye warned, for your time is coming near all who work at Sony.
Sony you are a cursed for what you have unleashed will return unto you 100,000 fold. Just wait and see what your victory will bring.
Your so called victory will be your downfall.
So shall it be.
************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
I apologize for the above comment... I hope that no one took offense to it. in the mean tiem did you guys take notice that Sony mis-filed a docket in the other os case, they filed a docket that has bearing on sony Vs Gehot. man , I bet the poor plaintiffs are going like what the heck?
If SCEA is doing this it means they are stressed, if there making mistakes like this, there sacred about something.
02-11-2011
02:43 AM
02-11-2011
02:58 AM
Heh, it must be more than 6 months since he changed HDD last time, that was about time, now he can get a new one.
02-11-2011
03:17 AM
i needed to log in and say this.
GeoHot is a badass, and sony can suck a big one.
this is all a ploy to scare ppl and make a huge scene.
think about this for a second... why doesnt sony sue gamestop for selling used games...?
if i had a modded ps3, what is to stop me from buying "used" ripping them to my HDD and returning them... it is all bits... data... i bought the data some way, and now i am manipulating it... it is still my data!
sony is going after him to scare the public into not modding and get his data so they can block it out. its truly a sign of weakness, when a company that has been in the computer industry for so long and done so much for the industry, goes after a 21 year old that dominated their product.
this is a fight over bits of information... there should be no laws on a network... this is essentially the wild wild west; but we arent killing people, just wait and see what happens, hackers are/going to have a field day with this weakness. i feel like going to a pay phone like the good 'ol days and sending a fax to sonys office anonymously, of the ps3 BOOTKEY.
02-11-2011
03:23 AM
I can telly ou exactly what is happening in this country, to many people stopped caring. When we protest we don't protest like the way we used to..Look at Egypt and many other countries, when they protest a few 100,0000 join forces. if we were to do this SCEA would be hiding behind locked doors saying who are those hordes of people. Why on earth have we become afraid? Have we become Sheeple?
You know what happens to sheep? there not even aware that they became dinner.
maybe my mother is rite, just so as we have change in our pockets and our toys, were happy with th the status quo?
I can't make it to cali for many reasons more then one...But you that are there rise up go to the court hosue picket out side chant do something...
Call the FTC call the Attorney generals, draw attention to what is being done.
At least here I been making it known ..
02-11-2011
03:24 AM
Holydiver -> In this case it does not matter what they learn from geohot’s methods, the failure is on their side and can only big fixed if they change their hardware, so for all consoles released... there is no real way back.
02-11-2011
03:48 AM
02-11-2011
03:49 AM
My guess, there is nothing in the HDD, most people with ideas keep them in their head.
02-11-2011
03:52 AM
02-11-2011
04:35 AM
Geohot asked for this. Like a few others said. If he just kept his identity secret this would not have happened. He had to go on TV. he had to agrivate sony with his "when is the PSP2 coming out?" bullcrap.
It's not that "deserves" it. It's just he was asking for it. Plus. He used overflows tools to make the custom firmware....
But whatever. What's sony going to do? put the 800,000 or so people who watched the video in jail? pfff yeah right.
02-11-2011
04:36 AM
I wonder what **** Sony has been taking recently? Because that sure would explain allot of their actions.
After all, why do they want the IP address of anyone who just WATCHED the video?
02-11-2011
04:55 AM
And another thing. How can they prove just because someone watches the geohot video they watched it to learn how to hack?
That's like saying because I watched a war movie I used it as a tool to plan on killing people.
No no Sony. This will not work in your favor.
02-11-2011
05:09 AM
I'll tell you what it is, the D.M.C.A. is the very 1st LARGE step in having our freedom of speech taken away.
Eyes need to be open here, its not some small thing going on, its a BIG deal people.
02-11-2011
06:26 AM
Another win for corporate America and another loss for civil rights.
02-11-2011
06:28 AM
Would the iphone still be a popular if it had never been jailbroken!
I mean we all pay good money for top of the range and powerful consoles, handsets etc..... To finally get them home to find they are factory locked to an os that doesn't even use half of the pontential that the system has!
This is why the likes of geohot step forward and open up our consoles (which we own and should be entitled to do what we wish to them) and give us what we should have had in the first place!
Good luck geohot
I'm also glad I have a 28 day return policy on the 700 Sony Bravia TV I bought 2 weeks ago! :thefinger: Samsung or Panasonic?
02-11-2011
06:52 AM
You know what Sony needs right now? A drastic increase of pirates,will serve them right.
02-11-2011
07:06 AM
Soon ps3hax will have to give our IP to Kevin Butler and each one of us will be added to the FBI terrorist list.
02-11-2011
07:08 AM
give Sony more ammo to use in court.
this is exactly the reason hacking systems gets a bad rep.
Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk
02-11-2011
07:10 AM
Sony must realize that GEORGE HOTZ is a f***** HERO!!!
02-11-2011
07:17 AM
You people realize why Sony wants the IP addresses, right? They will probably scrutinize each of those IP addresses whenever they attempt to login to PSN. Use current, and future security checks to determine any violation of the EULA and then ban them from using PSN. I wouldn't be suprised if Sony somehow manages to cripple those PS3s. I wouldn't put it past them.
02-11-2011
07:23 AM
02-11-2011
08:21 AM
Seriously?? You are comparing people who are revolting for democracy and against oppression to a bunch of punks (me included) who want free video games? Ridiculous.
02-11-2011
08:24 AM
I wonder what is the penalty for not revealing the password of an HD encrypted with 4096 bit key compare to what he could face if they find SDK or other relevant information on his HDs.
in this case it might worth doing it...
02-11-2011
08:25 AM
maybe geohot encrypt his data better than sony, lol
02-11-2011
08:49 AM
I would be like, what computer? The mobo caught on fire and destroyed it all.
02-11-2011
09:13 AM
Wait a sec does the judge really think he has child porn on his PC? *facepalm* Oh god. What if he did lmfao
02-11-2011
09:30 AM
So this all sucks and is starting to smell kinda fishy, I think most of us can agree on that.. Ultimately, though, this case was brought in the US because NO OTHER COUNTRY'S COURTS WOULD SUPPORT THIS CRAP! Because of that, I seriously doubt this will have a significant impact on ps3 hacking, regardless of the outcome (I believe Sony has the money to win.) It just means that all the hacks will come from outside the US and, worst case scenario, we may have to navigate to some Norwegian site to get the latest version of multiMAN.
Obviously there's no way to know all of this, but it sure seems to me that though all the other hackers like KaKaRoTo, Waninkoko, and even all the fail0verflow guys are just laying low, but not uber-concerned, while Sony is scrambling to do whatever they can to catch them. And once this is all over, and GeoHot gets screwed because he lives in the US, everyone else will go back to business as usual, because their countries' court systems actually stand for something other than corporate money.
02-11-2011
09:54 AM
IMO, all the hackers out there are enjoying this, because this is a game like cat and the mighty mouse, plus this is the real challenge for them... I know for the fact that our haxor can hide their ID as long as they want. its just Mr. Hots tried to get their attention, remember when he posted about "if you want your next system to be secured, contact me -all of you three". I dont know if he just playing jokes with them but it seems it back fired at him. neway I'm sure even if they get Mr. Hots HDD they will only get a few info's and forsure it'll be encrypted more than Sony's PUP itself.
02-11-2011
09:57 AM
If Geo was smart..and i will assume he is one bright cookie. He already stated he fixed his CFW to not allow backups and that he doesnt condone piracy. Tons of remark codes in it stating so, would pretty much be sony's downfall especially if it states in his code that it does not allow piracy. For all we know he probably put in code blocking the syscalls properly to allow backups. This being the case, technically he did not per say hack it to allow backups like the courts/media are saying. Oh and according to SCEA... once you purchase the PS3, its yours. If i had my way, i would send him the following email straight to him to use as evidence that the ps3 is not Sony's once it crosses the counter and payment is paid. According to theirselves and this following SCEA email to me. Oh and this time, i didnt omit my name, just my email address.
--------------------------
From: PlayStation Consumer Services <playstation@mailnj.custhelp.com>
Date:Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:33 am.
Response Via Email (Sarah E.) 02/09/2011 08:33 AM
Hello Tobby,
Thank you for writing back regarding the ownership of the PlayStation(R)3 computer entertainment system. Once you have completed payment on the PlayStation 3 then ownership transfers to you. If you allow anyone, including 3rd party vendors to use, accept the EULA, or make purchased on your PlayStation(R)Network account, You would be responsible. You can view the Terms of Use and User Agreement in the link below.
Terms of Use and User Agreement
Article Link: http://playstation.custhelp.com/app/...tail/a_id/1109
I hope this information has been helpful. I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to assist you. If you have any further questions and/or concerns regarding this or any other issue you may have with any PlayStationproduct please, email us again.
Regards,
Sarah E.
02-11-2011
10:03 AM
Relax kids, the internet is very very large, who cares if the server is in India or Norway, sony can't control every area, geohot got his ass sued cause he lives in new jersey, the original ps jailbreak team are located in croatia or slovenia or something, their site is down, but thats not sony. besides, they wont get sued, there are many limitations on what sony can do. Even I who do not develop homebrew, knows where to get the keys if I ever hypothetically wanna use them. So no big deals, friends, at worse , Hotz will be doing some hard time and learn something out of it, haha, sorry, don't trust him, nor sony.
See ya'll .
02-11-2011
10:06 AM
Dont buy Sony products at all then!!!
02-11-2011
10:16 AM
Did they just request for him to hand over the drive? or did they get a search warrant and forcibly remove it.
The guy has had plenty of time to wipe his drives.:thefinger:
02-11-2011
10:55 AM
Actually he can't wipe his drives..Files in hdd cannot be deleted at all. And as we are talking about sony they will not use recuva or other undelete programs...GEOHOT IS OUR HERO!
02-11-2011
11:00 AM
Poor guy but kinda seen this comming ....... i just hope the inspection of his HDD is supervised by someone on his side as i rekon sony will try and discredit him and might play dirty and place some items on his HDD and say .....look what we found !
02-11-2011
11:07 AM
This may sound bad, but Sony could accidentally copy/move files that are NOT PERTINATE to this case to another drive for evidence...WITHOUT PERMISSION from GeoHotz that may deal with a client instead. He could then SUE SONY for wrongfully stealing intellectual property from his computer that pertains to confidental client. Taking information that does not belong to the case physically from his hard drive, which does not pertain to the case, can be considered physical hacking of his home computer. Oh how the shoe can quickly fall on the other foot if they are not VERY careful with thier sifting proceedure. Only Sony's supposedly information to the jailbreaking should be retrieved. Nothing else according to the TRO.
Would suck for a news story to get out that states "SONY Hacks 21 year old and takes confidential data from home computer." or "Sony copies Apple's jailbreak source code". then go into the story about it. Which would be bad for the new PSP phone coming out. (hmm, does that mean its fair game to jailbreak since it has a MOBILE PHONE in it?)
02-11-2011
11:40 AM
Ok now, for all those who are saying Geohot should wipe the hard drive clean, encrypt the data and so on, wheres a bit of legal tidbits for you. If he tampers with the data concerning the case in any way or attempt to hide or remove it, the judge has the right to pretty much find him guilty and push the max penalty against him. There has been several court cases in the USA where people have attempted such things (Most notably in the Music industry and Music file sharing) where defendants tried to delete the music, encrypt, wipe or damage the hard drive and was then fined the max penalty possible in the case, sometimes up to millions of dollars and the maximum probable jail time.
Pretty much if the Judge or Sony believe Geohot is with holding or tempering with the evidence, he is screwed to put it lightly. It would pretty much end the case right then and there.
Also if Geohot does lose the case, it would be a major blow to hackers as future trials would use the Sony vs George Hotz case as a basis for all future charges brought against others. So if Geohot loses, Sony could go on a lawsuit ramage and pretty much bring to court and pretty much winning any case concerning those Sony calls "hackers".
So in the end, this is about more than just Geohot, its about our freedoms and civil rights. If Sony wins the case, don't expect them to back down any time soon and expect many more trials and lawsuits as well as DMCA take down notices.
The problem with Sony is, they have money, they have power and they have influence. They don't necessarily have to win the case. All they have to do is prolong it to the point where defendants can't continue any further. Many big corporations do this, they use multi-million dollar lawyers while the defendants either get appoint a lawyer (Which pretty much means they are screwed as court appointed lawyers could care less) or run out of money in long legal battles and pretty much have the case collapse on them.
------
Now in my personal opinion I find it annoying to see all the kids on these websites cry over losing PSN access or worrying about when a CFW is released or dear god, what if they can't pirate their games. There is much to this than that, this case will pretty much set the legal precedence for all future cases.
People need to be more grateful with all the work these hackers do and everything they provide for everyone. They put themselves in a lot of risk for what they do, point in case GeoHot. They don't need to do what they are doing and many don't even get paid for it. So please, less whining and more gratitude.
On a last note, support the developers. If you really like a game, go out and buy it so in the very least, the developers get income to make future games. Developers base what future games (If any; due to lack of sales) they will develop. If everyone just started pirating them, then expect more and more crappy games and bigger companies either going out of buisness or get bought out by others (Which, 99% of the time is a bad thing as it pretty much means that the staff gets restructured and future games deter from the previous ones). Case in point, look at the DS. Piracy started early for the DS and got to the point where developers don't really bother much with the games so now probably only a handful of games that come out for it are decent while the rest are shovel ware.
Just remember, everything in life has a consequence, be it good or bad. That is all.
02-11-2011
12:10 PM
Well Done!
02-11-2011
12:11 PM
Something REALLY needs to be done about this taking down of code from social software dev sites like github. Its an attack upon the ideals of open source itself. It makes me sad. All the source code for all the tools & utils sonys using to make an example with needs to be posted, EVERYWHERE, to make an example right back at them that we are not going to stand for this. It needs to be posted on facebook, myspace etc.. anyplace you can type or post text, hell use text-to-speech on the whole thing and lets make audio of it. Create as many torrents as possible, and keep seeding them, its only a bunch of text, it will take 2 mins everytime on a new torrent to go from leech to seeder. Make channels in IRC as many as possible, with bots to continuously *say* all the sourcecode...
*say* >>>>---Because thats what it comes down to, we are all basically being put under a restraining order. I mean, whats the difference between communicating in text form over the net with each other and doing it verbally? Can't i tell someone what I learned about a piece of hardware I baught verbally anymore, or will I be arrested if its something the Mfc of the hw didn't want anyone to figure out? Can I say a bunch of words to you of what I learned, and tell you that if you write them all in a text file on your computer, and compile it you can use it to change something you don't like about that piece of hardware? Well? can't I? or will the "firemen" come to my house and burn all documentation I wrote down, hell, burn everyones books too while they're at it so were too dumb to figure anything out anymore, it all burns at ferinhieght 451 anyway so there ya go- two, birds, 1 stone.
Theyd (almost) be doing some of us a favor, but unfortunately 451 degrees is a little too hot to reflow all the YLODs of the people who didn't follow instructions and played games for more than 6 hours on their $300, *game* console. Sure on a PC we could play 24 hours a day if we wanted <cough.. WoW addicts ..un-cough>... --but theres all those pesky, confusing extra settings in all the games, like "anti-aliasing, HDR,.. and some confusing number thing called resolution?!?!?! All that is preconfigured for me on here, and thats well worth the fact that my made-for-game-console-thing-with-the-gfx-opts_at_low may melt after six hours,.. well,.. well,.. worth it, must get too hot cuz of the advanced technology in there that your not allowed to figure out. THNX Sony !!
......... E O R ......... (end of rant, sorry)
Back to the point,.... make leaflets of src code and drop it from the sky across the globe (recycled please),..... put it in every fortune cookie, the bottom of every "In & out" fry container. Tee-shirts, tatoos... some of us are bound to come across some wet cement, come on, be creative,.. and whatever you do DON'T shut up.
Thank you if anyone read all that.... and yes, I really would be willing to do some of that myself. We need a package of plain text files of the newest/newer src code for all those utils,, every text character, its not designed to be compiled, just to say F***K you.
~ drexalpage@gmail.com
02-11-2011
12:17 PM
So if we commented on his youtube page, we can get sued? LMAO
I went to the doctor this past Sunday morning and stayed there until Tuesday morning. I found out I may have Colitis. In a few weeks I have to have a Colonoscopy done. The first thing they did in the hospital was stick a finger in my butt. At 31 yrs old, I was a little worried. I would love to hear I am being sues for posting a comment on youtube. That would complete my life. BTW: My life sux!
02-11-2011
12:32 PM
so if i tattooed the Metldr key on myself, would i get sued also
lol
02-11-2011
12:40 PM
It sounds like you got it pretty good dood, compared to some XD not sure what that condition is though : \ Having be it objects or medication inserted into your rear, it isnt pleasant.
02-11-2011
12:55 PM
@ Drex and Synd
No one in his right mind will read your text walls.
I remember awhile ago when blog didn't exists and hackers would only e-zines as text files on warez site. These texts were full of philosophy and information of all kind and sometimes stories about the furture of Internet. Like to avoid what happened to Geohot guys would custom their hardrive to low voltage so when the police would seize it and plugt it to regular current it would burn.
02-11-2011
01:58 PM
So you think that "Police" will not check the outside condition of an HDD. They will not check if the HDD is yours or you are lying. Only they will plug it and they will say, Fu**** we burned that...Go on...
02-11-2011
02:10 PM
i honestly support geohots sure we lost os but who cares it was dumb but thanks to him getting it taken away hackers have found out how to make a better os with more priveleges and even put it on the slim and jailbreak if im not mistaking was only possible through his research of the hypervision and lvl 2 so you have to give him some credit i guess
and 2 questions out of curiosity
since $ony wants to block dns and possibly ban us why dont we use our own servers for hacked ps3s online like xlan kai and my second question is if we could dual boot with other OS could we dual boot 2 different firmwares like cfw and ofw
02-11-2011
02:33 PM
Nice one. Next they should rule a jail term for that prick.
02-11-2011
02:37 PM
A few years ago DirecTV access cards were circumvented with smart card unloopers. What DTV did was essentially what $ony is doing now. They are going to send out demand letters to all of the people that have accessed the youtube videos/twitter posts etc. Assuming that google/twitter gives them up. So, for example, what they may do is send out this official looking package with a demand for like $2500.00 because you were involved with piracy or something. Some people will be stupid enough to pay it and they'll pay their lawyers and piracy prevention teams with this money. This is a bit far fetched scenario for just watching a youtube video or reading a tweat, but if they start taking down the dealers for the jailbreak devices and you purchased one, then you better believe you'll be seeing some form of this demand.
02-11-2011
02:42 PM
02-11-2011
02:49 PM
#1 Compared to what others have done he is a tadpole in a big sea of fish
#2 He thought he could showboat and brag without consequence
He will most likely make plenty of $ from all this anyways, so for that I DO say congratulations and good PR management to him.
02-11-2011
02:59 PM
Anybody know the code? I'll post it just to piss them off, what are they going to do to me? I'm fifteen, would they really sue me for posting their code?
02-11-2011
03:05 PM
02-11-2011
03:07 PM
This is just sad, I always loved the Playstation and hated the Xbox but if they push me like this maybe i buy an xbox with kinect
02-11-2011
03:10 PM
02-11-2011
03:22 PM
normal users such as ourselves need not be worried
for example im going to give a very very basic situation. "password" <--- how many people have that as their private passkey?
or maybe "3669" <--- how many have that as a credit card pin number?
are they going to sue me for saying it?
are they going to sue you for reading it?
no of course not, they cant.
if the court rules that the methods for obtaining such a key was illegal, then the "obtainers" will indeed be punished.
the readers will not as they did nothing wrong. there is nothing illegal about reading a publically displayed key on twitter, tech sites, other information sites or watching a youtube video on a public website.
you can not be sued for learning of public information.
even with intent to use it in a certain "illegal way" you break no law in reading/watching it.
sony does not hold exclusive rights to a key, no matter what it is used for
sony does not currently hold the patent on free speech despite what they would have you believe, they would just like you to cower in fear and tow the line.
02-11-2011
03:32 PM
Can I now steal all your money? HeeHee
02-11-2011
04:23 PM
What I dont understand if phones are legally allowed to be jailbroken why cant a console, jailbreaking your phone can lead to piracy as well.
Or look at MS with the xbox 360, they got pissed with the drive being modified but you dont see them doing what sony is. How long has the xbox and xbox 360 been able to be modified, a very long time.
Now Ms just bans your console if they detect it, and you buy a new one i think sony needs to suck it up and be happy that it took so long for hackers to do what they did. And learn from MS and just ban people if they can detect it then that person just goes out and buys another.
02-11-2011
04:56 PM
There is no way a key can be copyrighted, that would be stupid because you'd have to disclose it in the first place. If you're worried about that and the PSjailbreak you've watched on YT you might as well wrap your PS3 with tinfoil in case Sony decides to download your HDD via wifi.
02-11-2011
05:00 PM
Droid-VNCserver-ZERO FILL PC HDD, Its that simple...
02-11-2011
05:06 PM
************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
02-11-2011
05:12 PM
Read it? Who wants to read thousands of lines of sourcecode? I just want it to be put everywhere simply because I believe they have no right to tell us we can't. All the tatoo stuff I was just kidding about BTW... I hope that was obvious =)
02-11-2011
05:34 PM
02-11-2011
06:53 PM
Jailbreaking the iPhone did not directly lead to the copying of games. Whichever way we look at it, breaking the PS3 Has directly led to the copying of games because it Is above all else a games console.
Not sure I understand your logic here, How can you say Jailbreaking the Iphone has not directly led to copying Games/Apps.....Show me one person who has their Iphone jailbroken but paid for every single Game/App ?
Of course jailbreaking the Iphone has led to Copying/Piracy !!
The point is, the Iphone jailbreak was not released for that purpose, that's what it has evolved into, exactly the same as the PS3 jailbreak was released for HomeBrew and the return of the O/S and will probably follow the same course as the Iphone......
And I still would like anybody to show me a COPIED PS3 GAME disc that has come about because of this jailbreak !! Back-up my over priced investment to my PS3 hdd maybe, but an actual copied disc...anyone...??
This is not going to lead to full scale pirating, your not gonna be able to go to your local boot sale on a sunday morning and come home with the top ten games for a 10...This is all just being taken way out of context, the jailbreak as it stands is not going to attract the attention from pirates the way Sony want the courts to believe....
02-11-2011
07:30 PM
I think people are losing grip here. Let me explain this with a simple metaphor.
Just because "jailbreaking" a piece of hardware CAN lead to people pirating games, that in NO WAY has any ground for the "jailbreaking" being illegal or harmfull in anyway.
Guns CAN kill people. You can go to the store right now, buy a gun and kill people. You can go to the store right now, buy a big knife and kill people with it.
Just because an object or method can be used to cause some sort of harm, does not give it grounds to be banned or deemed illegal. They still have legit uses.
On top of that, Think about that I am about to type. I think my following point has merit.
Since Sony is using the DMCA to attack Mr Hotz, they are admitting that the PS3 is a consumer computer device.
This would put them under the same Anti-Trust laws as PCs.
However, you are not allowed to install or even purchase another OS for the PS3. You cannot install your own web-browser, you can not add or even make other applications for the consoles current functions. This falls under the same Anti-Trust laws that Microsoft got hit with.
A Suit can be filed against Sony for Anti-Trust on the PS3.
This could be a legit battleground for all involved.
02-11-2011
07:46 PM
The first thing that was released with (note WITH, not after) the PS3 JB was a utility for backing up (read as copying) a disc based game into the HDD.
I also stated Directly led to... so your comment is out of context.
As to copies, the vast majority of copies for anything are obtained via torrents etc so why even bother with the car boot at all. The evidence you seek is on here and similar sites actually as I am sorry, but it is a practical impossibilty that so many people have broken BluRays as is claimed here and elsewhere as the reason for running 'backups' lol.
Piracy does not mean having to be paid for it, and I'm sorry to say that Piracy became full scale for every single platform (gaming and computer) with the advent of High Speed Broad Band (hence my earlier comment about car boot sales, why pay when it's easier and cheaper to download)
I think Sony ARE over reacting though as MS seem to do more than comfortably with a hacked system.
Ps...... If you are willing to pay for the disc, I will gladly burn you a copy (original owned by myself) as long as I have it in writing that you will destroy it immediately after verification *Cheeky Grin*
Pps.... I am Not saying that Jail Breaking the PS3 should be illegal, just attempting to point out that it was originally done with the sole intent of copying a game (call it a back up if you wish, but it is still a copy of a game)
02-11-2011
08:09 PM
Sony decided to then advertise it as a "multimedia device" which again denotes any claim that its sole purpose is to be used as a "games console", it was also at this point, i believe sony first had the intent to remove the otheros feature from all models of the ps3 they just neeeded an excuse to get round the obvious laws they were in breach of by doing so.
As stated in a previous post, by advertising it as a multi media device (is a phone not a multi media device? or your ipod that can play games aswell?) if its a computer entertainment system then it should be the consumers right to install third party (non sony) apps and features. If its ok to do it with a phone (which once "jailbroken" can be modified further to obtain free calls from the network carrier, obtain gsm details and other illegal activities like changing the devices network block (if the phone has been stolen and blacklisted). Then so should any other device that has user accessable software on it.
I really hope the Judge involved with this court case, keeps an open mind and finds sony at fault for its "mafia" (by not giving the end user the choice or freedom to choose they are basically creating software crackheads, the mafia forcefully sell drugs to teenagers and younger to get them hooked, then use them to take the fall when the going gets tough or worse.... sony are using the same types of tactics, except they do it to keep the end user in line or to take away features) type business model.
Microsoft were sued for a monopoly and forced to allow non microsoft software/hardware on Windows based computers. Why should sony be allowed not to?
02-11-2011
08:32 PM
I make no mention to Sonys abysmal descriptions of what it was or is as they change their mind like the wind, but it is (yet again) above all else (this Does mean it has other functions by the way) a games console.
02-11-2011
09:00 PM
Sorry man, but it is NOT above all else a "gaming console".
When you want to get to the core of the device, you just have to look at the trademarks and patents for it.
Sony themselves registered it as a COMPUTER.
Even if it WAS registered as a game console, it would STILL fall under anti-trust law.
Has any of you ever read the Anti-Trust laws?
For that matter, have you ever read the DMCA?
What is our government even doing making the DMCA law? Why would our government make a law to "protect" companies? That is CLEARLY outside of their purview. Our government is supposed to make laws that protect the people, NOT businesses. The DMCA is unconstitutional, period. The 1st time it is seriously challenged, in front of a legit, non-paid off judge, it will be erased from law.
02-11-2011
09:10 PM
As to the DMCA, and individual EULA's there are some ongoing complaints and initial legal inquiries going on in the UK as we speak due to it being against comsumer rights (not just Sony, but the whole concept).
EDIT... My phone is an iPhone and I actually think the phone part of that is false advertising lol
02-11-2011
09:26 PM
To the people from USA, you have the right to education, claim for your rigths, dont let a company take away your rights.
02-11-2011
10:46 PM
A game console IS a computer.
The law sees it no differently, I dont even know why you are arguing this.
The PS3 processes information with a microchip that uses transistors. That is a computer.
The main use of the computer, is determined by its OWNER.
You might use it to play games.
Right now, the Navy and the Air force use it to make WAR in the form of a super computer. They are not playing Call of Duty on their PS3's.
The Mayo clinic and other medical facilities, use the PS3 to fold cancer causing proteins in order to find a cure. They are not playing video games.
Even further, I know people that own a PS3 and ALL they use it for, is to watch BluRay Movies, because it was the cheapest,best player they could get at the time. They are not playing games.
The law understands that the OWNER of a device determines its use.
With objects or devices that are DANGEROUS for the owner to determine its use, they are controlled, like drugs. The PS3 is NOT controlled.
Both the PS3 and XBox violate AntiTrust laws. Period. The End.
The DMCA is an attack on American rights. Period, The End.
If the law is to be true and fair, it should prosecute blindly. It should see FACTS, not money or power.
02-11-2011
11:21 PM
Correct me if i am wrong, if you read the system software agreement, you will see that it covers just that. the system software. so if i wanted to run my own software on my system, the only thing i see unless i overlooked something, is that i would invalidate my warranty and i can't access their network. is that a bad thing seeing that i don't use my ps3 for online play? one would think that you should be able to use the system for your own purposes, just not the system software.
i wonder if Dell would be mad if i switched bioses with a emachine (before you laugh, really think about this question. it has revelance to Geohot's case)
02-11-2011
11:28 PM
What are the keys I should post them just to piss Sony off and they can't do **** about it because I'm fifteen and I'm from Canada and they have no ****in jurisdiction here so **** u Sony suck a big one ad release Geohot :thefinger:
02-12-2011
02:13 AM
Actually, the PSN is advertised as an included feature with the unit itself. I am pretty sure that the law would still claim an Anti-Trust violation if they added exceptions for accessing the PSN. It would be considered unfair practices & non competitive, because a 3rd party software company would not sell many products because people will not want to lose the PSN for using it.
Seriously, what would you do?
Use the OS the console came with and stay on the PSN?
Or would you purchase a new OS, that after you installed it, completely removed your access to the PSN, permanently?
That is a foundation for an Anti-Trust violation.
02-12-2011
10:06 AM
I hate Sony, woke up this morning to find that my ps3 magically updated to 3.56
02-12-2011
12:49 PM
I would worry for Geo I would wonder what ELSE he has on those drives apart from PS3 hacking.
Lets look at this way, anyone that says its wrong to hack need to take a look at themselves, thats like saying you shouldnt modify anything to make it yours.
Now look at GH, I can guess he has a fair amount of pirated software etc on those drives. No matter the outcome of this case against him I dont doubt each copyright holder will be informed of the breachs on his machines.
Good luck Geohot whatever you say the hacking reason was has been lost to piracy but hopefully you will have a god job from Sony afterwards
02-12-2011
06:42 PM
You people have to remember, that copying a game, is not piracy.
As a matter of fact, copyright laws says that media companies MUST allow purchasers of media to make backup copies of what they buy, for themselves only.
So just because people make software that runs copies of games, does not say that they were made for piracy.
I do not have a SINGLE pirated copy of a PS3 game.
I DO however run Backup Managers to play the games I own. Its easier, it loads faster and it prevents damage to the disc AND the BD Drive.
If anything, Sony's attack on this custom firmware breaks copyright law, because they are trying to circumvent media owners from making and using legitimate copy's of the media they own.
02-12-2011
06:53 PM
Below is section 8 of UK Copyright Law, last ammended 27th November 2009. Notice item 8 please, and feel free to point it out to Sony if you wish lol....
8.Acts that are allowed
Fair dealing is a term used to describe acts which are permitted to a certain degree without infringing the work, these acts are:
•Private and research study purposes.
•Performance, copies or lending for educational purposes.
•Criticism and news reporting.
•Incidental inclusion.
•Copies and lending by librarians.
•Acts for the purposes of royal commissions, statutory enquiries, judicial proceedings and parliamentary purposes.
•Recording of broadcasts for the purposes of listening to or viewing at a more convenient time, this is known as “time shifting”.
•Producing a back up copy for personal use of a computer program.
•Playing sound recording for a non profit making organisation, club or society.
(Profit making organisations and individuals should obtain a license from PRS for Music.)
If they argue the toss, it could be quite legitimally argued (I believe??) that any BM is allowable for this reason alone.
EDIT... As I mentioned before there is some investigation going on into DMCA and EULA's as these do go totally against a lot of the actual Copyright laws. Also Item 1 does seem to me to include Sonys FW? The line gets blurred when any results are then made public to the internet though.
************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
Playing Devils advocate as well now lol.....
Notice Item 4, as this could be said by Sony what CFW does to it's property, although if it can be arranged to dual boot between OFW and CFW then this argument becomes mute as the hardware is not being adapted in any way as no limits can be put on the use we choose to make of it.
7.Restricted acts
It is an offence to perform any of the following acts without the consent of the owner:
Copy the work.
Rent, lend or issue copies of the work to the public.
Perform, broadcast or show the work in public.
Adapt the work.
The author of a work, or a director of a film may also have certain moral rights:
The right to be identified as the author.
Right to object to derogatory treatment.
02-12-2011
09:29 PM
The Restricted Acts clause is ALWAYS trumped by personal ownership inclusions, such as making a copy of a piece of copyrighted material that you purchased legally in the first place.
02-12-2011
10:08 PM
Subject
When i purchase the PS3 from Walmart, BestBuy, etc, is the system mine?
Discussion Thread
Response Via Email (Jeannette P.) 02/12/2011 05:22 PM
Hello Tobby,
Thanks for writing with your purchase question. If you purchase a PlayStation3 system from any retailer, it is in fact your system. If you have any other questions feel free to contact me.
Regards,
Jeannette P.
Are you a member of the PlayStationNetwork yet? Play games online, chat with friends, access exclusive titles, downloadable games, PS oneClassics, free demos, movies, TV shows and more! Highly connected and endlessly entertaining.
Welcome to the PlayStationNetwork. Join now!
Auto-Response 02/11/2011 07:07 AM
Thank you for contacting Sony Computer Entertainment America, LLC (SCEA).
You have received this auto-acknowledgement to confirm that we received your message. We will respond to your message within 24 - 48 hours. For immediate online support, please visit our PlayStation Knowledge Center at http://us.playstation.com/support 24 hours a day.
Thank you for your patience.
SCEA Consumer Services
02-14-2011
09:55 AM
@ Gliitch - It's a large intestinal inflammation disease.
I know it is off topic just wanted to respond real quick.
on topic: So it is ours, according to what the guy above me said? That well guess Sony will be changing that soon also.
02-15-2011
01:21 AM
Won't matter, they already said it, and it reflects their policy at the time of the GeoHot event.