• PS3 Hacks , 05.02.2011

    Sony is pushing out more legal actions against all major PS3 hackers/devs including: Cantero, Peter, Bushing, Segher, hermesEOL, kmeaw, Waninkoko, grafchokolo and kakaroto. Sony is planning to subpoena (definition) various internet sites such as; PSX-SCENE, YouTube, Twitter, PayPal and Slashdot inorder to find the hackers.You can grab and see the legal documents below.

    What do you guys think of all this legal action by Sony? Do you think it is feasable to go after these hackers…after all if one goes down we all know 3 other will pop up in his place. Let us know VIA comments below.

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    1. 2die4
      02-05-2011
      12:01 PM
      1

      lol this is madness and funny Sony are going crazy they are like some japanese guy whos family were wiped out and now they are going on a revenge plot movie script

    2. Wolfie708
      02-05-2011
      12:19 PM
      2

      PayPal??????

      If they manage to subpoena them to disclose private information, then all I can say is that US law really is as corrupt as the films make it out to be PMSL

    3. SparkyBlaze
      02-05-2011
      12:19 PM
      3

      Sony are just gay.......

    4. GregoryRasputin
      02-05-2011
      12:31 PM
      4

      Thanks Dusky, front paged.

    5. Dusky
      02-05-2011
      12:38 PM
      5

      Welcome. I edited it put it in my own words, but yours is always better.

    6. Qraze1
      02-05-2011
      12:48 PM
      6

      well, they should all go out for war with blood on their minds, bring down the tyrant sony. bring down their websites, bring down their buildings, bring down kaz hirai and put his head on a pike being help up by a copy of ridge racer.

    7. bigo93
      02-05-2011
      12:53 PM
      7

      Originally Posted by 2die4
      lol this is madness and funny Sony are going crazy they are like some japanese guy whos family were wiped out and now they are going on a revenge plot movie script
      Madness? This is Sparta!! lol sorry couldnt help it not hear it in a bit.

      Yes this is nothing short of madness, Sony, in an effort to stop piracy have only repeatedly and increasingly alienated their customers, normal, homebrew and pirates alike.

      I wish Sony would go the way of ACS:Law and MediaCAT (if you havent heard we won that case and both are closing their current business) but Sony has many more divisions.
      Yes I probably will buy the PS4, but only when it gets hacked. This is from someone who went straight to the PS1 from a megadrive, then a ps2, and now ps3; we have all felt how Sony treats us and now it is time to say goodbye to them.

    8. jazneo
      02-05-2011
      12:53 PM
      8

      If sony want to stop hacker then they should never made USB port,flash memory stick and blue-ray disk drive on the ps3. they should made full close off base system only hook internet from wifi

    9. yusky03
      02-05-2011
      12:56 PM
      9

      An action like this makes me want to learn code. So I can bring there world crashing down around them.

    10. d34thc0d3
      02-05-2011
      01:04 PM
      10

      Well then, judging by $ony's latest actions I guess the XMB background music for the PS4 will be the "Imperial March"....

      YouTube - Star Wars-Imperial March

      Chances of me going to buy $ony's next console generation are decreasing on a daily basis :thefinger:

    11. mafiaboy300
      02-05-2011
      01:05 PM
      11

      Idiots....Sony are pushing it... I hope someone does a DDOS on psn :aetsch:

    12. hashoo
      02-05-2011
      01:05 PM
      12

      Sony kiss my ass.

      I am from pakistan and if anybody wanna upload anything or wanna hide from any legal action from sony you are more than fuking welcome brothers.
      SONY can't do **** in here.
      Why ?
      Because they just can't.

      Attention

      No swearing or bypassing the swear filter



    13. taijiangah
      02-05-2011
      01:05 PM
      13

      I guess they're just trying prove a point... don't f*ck with our console (even though you paid 300 for it) or we'll sue. It probably WILL discourage some hackers from doing stuff but its also going to encourage hacker who never did anything before to step up, and tbh there's probably going to be a lot more hacking going on now than before, so all Sony is doing is kicking a hornets nest...

      Since the USA have some pretty stupid f*cking laws I'm sure good lawyers can always find loopholes around things so if this thing does pull through and they take down the hackers in the US, they still can't touch people in other countries.

      I guess Sony's main concern is piracy with hacked consoles... but there's no point wasting money on DRM, its always going to be a losing battle for the company, no matter how much money you spend and time you spend making an awesome security, it will eventually get cracked because when it comes down to it there is ALWAYS going to be more people working to crack it than there are to protect it. So instead of wasting millions and millions trying to prevent it from getting cracked (which will only prolong the inevitable), why not spend that money on improving the console so there is LESS reason for people to hack it.

      When you make and advertise a console that can do everything, its going to f*cking do everything even the sh*ts you don't want.
      Well there's my rant for day...:aetsch:

    14. grimshard
      02-05-2011
      01:09 PM
      14

      [may contain offencive words]

      [SPOILER]i sence a war a brewing that sony cant possable win, oh unless it gives all those promising coders jobs.... mind you im sure more then half of them would spit in sonys face,

      what i think is that sony hasnt had its ass kicked in a long time and they are too over confident, and will sorly be reminded that a monoply on somthing is not legal never has been and wont be , or our friends at mirco$oft would come flying in lay a ninja arse kicking to sony and take them internally , as last i checked every banking system and any IMPORTANT system runs Nt based programs , not to menshion , i think bill gates got his suied 5 years back badly for trying to monoplise something to do with apple and ipod or something , i vaguley remember...anyway, where is it going to end , sony is going to piss in so many peoples cornflakes that , NO ONE is going to buy anything sony , maybe sony will turn out like daewoo and have to stick to building cars and get out of the electronics business ...doughtful but in some sences possable if they make every one in the world that has money mad at them ...

      sony will have to resort in bribe insentives to make me buy anything hardware from them from a long time...

      im really really really saddened and furious at the same time , hell when i was a kid and i was growing up , people and companys wouldnt give **** if you modded things After spending your hard earned money on it . like come on i bought a asus system back in the day just to mod / upgrade it when it needed it or i wanted to / or could afford to.

      this is just kinda making is so sony has marshall law over "its" name sony doesnt own the system , i do , sony owns the name ,sony dosnt own the compliers and or the software used to make their systems to work , sony doesnt own me , and if i could remove every instance of the name sony off the black boxes that sit in my living room i would surly have and would do , but i think they look better with non filed off sections .....

      anyway i really stongly feel that sony is and has gone too far ... they piss off enough places and people , there may be some few of us that start making trj or what not to mess with sony , hell alot of us know that sony has the crappiest dns ever!! can snap info insta, anyway lil off topic here and there , but my oppinions very , all i hope is that , my hacker brothers and sisters dont get the **** end of the stick.

      but im kinda sure that this will be a battle that sony will eventully end up losing, as they have to pay people to fight for them , and the most of us that are. We will help out eachother for free or id hope you would help out your family / friends anyway,

      on@justice = 1
      if justice == 1 , outright_slap_sony_in_the_face()
      elseif
      cry_alot()
      end.

      lol anyway , some of my thoughts , lookforward to reading others posts
      [/SPOILER]

    15. upsman1999
      02-05-2011
      01:10 PM
      15

      Well with good intent I dont see a problem taking some sites underground that way all the hackers and members will have a place to go...

    16. Hailfire101
      02-05-2011
      01:14 PM
      16

      How do you delete comments?

    17. HY83
      02-05-2011
      01:22 PM
      17

      All govt' agencies noes dat taking down a bad guy today, 10 will gladly take his place tommorow. SONY understand ur consoles form PS1 to PS3 & The PSP inclusive is only selling because people are able to run homebrew/hacks on them as to outperform the original limitations of the original OS juz like how APPLES iPhone's & iPods are selling like hotcakes due to the very same fact unlike other smartphones even with android based, SONY this is a war i definitely hope u'll lose to learn that lesson, I guess u win some & definetly u will lose some!!!

    18. shoto
      02-05-2011
      01:32 PM
      18

      hahahahaha $ony because of u deleting other OS and lots of features on the PS3 in the past year, i have CWFed 12 of my friends there ps3.

      up urs

    19. jazdream
      02-05-2011
      01:33 PM
      19

      id love to see sony fall flat on their face on this one i paid for my console if i want to run homebrew i want to play old classics on my console!! oh god i own a citroen car are the french going to sue me if i modify the engine? NO! so FU FONY sorry i mean SONY!!

    20. VideoX
      02-05-2011
      01:33 PM
      20

      Originally Posted by Hailfire101
      Didnt Graf warn Sony not to do this?

      Wonder what he'll release now.
      Where did you read that?, I want to know what graf said (the only warn from hackers to Sony was from geohot).

    21. japsander
      02-05-2011
      01:37 PM
      21

      Originally Posted by VideoX
      Where did you read that?, I want to know what graf said (the only warn from hackers to Sony was from geohot).
      graf_chokolo said if sony didnt stop what they were doing then he would release all the info he has gained on the hypervisor.

    22. mafiaboy300
      02-05-2011
      01:42 PM
      22

      Fony are finished now! Hope every site they own gets brought down to it's knees

      F**K u Fony

    23. whatever2u
      02-05-2011
      01:46 PM
      23

      Sony is just waisting their time trying to scare the scene by attacking the top leaders of the scene. they think that if they can scare the scene enough it will stop further developments and more dev's from coming to the scene. They feel like if they can control the dev's they have control of their system back. Thats why they are going after all the big names in the scene. Because according to sony even though we bought the system its not ours it is theirs. Im not scared of sony and will never be because if youre gonna sell a product you shouldnt worry about what somebody does to it because its none of thier business. I dnt think ill ever be a fan of sony ever again but now im just against them. when the ps4 comes out and i find one of their surplus models in a pawn shop for $50 i might get it then. but im gonna be working on it because i rather jump in the ocean (i cant swim) then buy anything to benifit them anymore.

    24. SpitvenoM
      02-05-2011
      01:47 PM
      24

      Yeah graf did warn sony i read on another (not so good) ps site this is just stupid its done its been hacked theres nothing they can do about it its like if someone buys a new car are they not allowed to change the exhaust the wheels and the dash of course they are its there car and they own it, why does sony not get this. If anything this could help sony i mean i hope they get the psn secured and safe from idiot game modders who want to ruin online gaming and if they sort it then of course i will buy another ps3 for uncharted 3 sony get another ps3 purchase from me how is this bad for them?

    25. projectns
      02-05-2011
      01:49 PM
      25

      Warning

      watch your language, let the swear filter do its job



    26. the_imperfectionest
      02-05-2011
      01:49 PM
      26

      Well I'm going to assume here, but I believe that Graf_chokolo's knoweldge is welcome to all ps3 devs far and wide!

      Ddos is too much, everyone should just take sony to court in their local regions all on the same day, oh we should surprise them at th last minute too, just like sony did to Mr. Hotz

    27. nookupeous
      02-05-2011
      01:50 PM
      27

      The US Supreme court declared iphone jailbreaking legal. Why isn't that a precedent for the PS3?

    28. makaveli101
      02-05-2011
      01:54 PM
      28

      for god sakes sony give up you fags hackers will still be hacking, both wii & 360 are hacked but they still sell like crazy, even the games will still sell, i guess they deserve these things for overpricing things, they make enough so why so serious?

      they're just worried that the small profit loss they won't be able to buy the extra chopsticks for summer.

    29. Mig
      02-05-2011
      01:56 PM
      29

      epic fail, Sony.
      All of this is only giving us more motivation in doing what we want with our 300 euros consoles... Which are our property...
      :thefinger:

    30. GeneWeen
      02-05-2011
      01:58 PM
      30

      I've been following SONY's bullying for quite sometime now. I have been dissapointed with the way they have been handling this situation. I once used to be quite the SONY fan, but now... now I've decided that I will give the NGP a miss and PS4 a miss. I feel I am gravitating towards Microsoft for my gaming fix and look forward to their next console.

      If even 5% of consumers are turn off by your behavior and decide not to purchase any more SONY products, that will be quite the dip in profits. Explain that to your shareholders.

      For Shame SONY, for Shame

    31. PiXeLbLuE230
      02-05-2011
      01:59 PM
      31

      I think Sony:thefinger: has gone to far and it will only end in tears for them (I hope)

    32. tha1eyedmonsta
      02-05-2011
      02:12 PM
      32

      thats just stupid looks like sony is just a bad loser they should take what they know and start to make ps4 with all the security that they need to stop this again.

    33. yigal33
      02-05-2011
      02:21 PM
      33

      sony take this :thefinger:

    34. depblkman
      02-05-2011
      02:23 PM
      34

      Sony is running scared. they really don't have any clue as to what CFW can do for their business. Let's be honest, how many people bought a PSP, Wii, Xbox 360 or a DS just to either play the games or put CFW on them? if you noticed, you don't hear a word from Microsoft nor Nintendo. Do you think that they are really worried about CFW when their sales numbers are on top?

      Right now the Ps3 ranks 3rd in sales around the world. With this move, their sales are going to start really sliding. If i ran SCEA, the only thing that i would worry about would be the sites that allow people to pirate ISO's. I understand the need to protect the Video Game developers and publishers alike, However most of us actually buy the games we like and want them to last a long time. That's the blessing we get from Devs who take their time to create ways that we can archive and play our games for generations to come. To be quite honest, i still own a atari and a original Nintendo that i take out from time to time just for nostalgia sake.

      Sony need to take a page from Nintendo and Microsoft and just let things be. They are spending too much time and money trying to stop a tsunami. We will not be bullied nor will we back down. Power to the players!!! :thefinger: Sony!!!

    35. johnnyb15613
      02-05-2011
      02:24 PM
      35

      As was stated above, I also believe that Sony is simply buying some time to try to close the console back up! Pick on the big names, scene slows down, new OFW! More names pop up, pick on them, scene slows down, you get the idea! They will probably have the power to do this until GH case is over. Everybody making anything right now are all going to be evidence of things that have happened because of GH findings. Whether these guys used any or all of GH findings. Sony will try to say that without him JBing the console, none of these guys would be able to do what they do.

    36. hashoo
      02-05-2011
      02:26 PM
      36

      FSony is doing all this to make sure they have support of (OFFICIAL) software developers for the PS4 and if they don't take these ginormous stupid measures they are ofcourse gonna loose it all for PS4.
      And for the demonstration purpose they have released PSP2 which is SECURE for now.
      It does have a Memory card slot.
      FONY you fAils make a console which can only work when it goes online and connect to your servers. Don't make one single hole in it otherwise that console gonna get raped.
      Thank You for your stupendous UPDATES, followed by hidden V2

    37. mot787m
      02-05-2011
      02:33 PM
      37

      sony really are sore loosers...i love their products but basically this is just pushing it. They are probably selling more consoles like this but they still want to act like a****** , they're carrying on like pre-schoolers. They should have rather invested more money into the ps4> they are like a bunch of crazy jap people seeking revenge for WW2...BURN SONY BURRRNNN....anyone who feels I'm over doing it and criticizing too much then wake up,,yeah i know sony made a great console but this is just too much...give it up and try improving the system. Jailbreaking leads to more sales for them. Look at the xbox...thats the only reason I own one.. I always liked sony but after all I've seen and heard them do , theres a huuuuugggge chance ,like 99.98% that I WILL NOT buy a ps4....hope you're listening sony cos you just killed you're own business.

    38. cianz13
      02-05-2011
      02:51 PM
      38

      put me in a room with the ceo for 5 miutes and i guarantee that this nonsense will stop.

    39. Mystt
      02-05-2011
      02:55 PM
      39

      Meh this will blow over eventually; they are picking at straws. Not all of them reside in the USA for one, which is the origin of law they are pertaining too; if they want the others outside USA, Sony will have to play at politics for each country, and they are not all powerful. This is a complete scare tactic at best, and there is still no conclusion to the Geohot case.

      Basically Sony is hoping they win out on the Geohot case and then hope they can take that win on a global scale. Frankly they are wasting a lot of $ and resources at this, which will only come back to hurt the consumers which in turn will hurt Sony. They have to make up the costs for these suits somewhere, and I can tell you the board members aren't paying for these lawyers out of their own pocket. No they will throw it back into the price of games and hardware as they usually do. No one is a winner in the end, as people will get more tight with their money, especially since we are still in a global recession.

      All that's left to say now is GOOD LUCK SONY

    40. mgillespie
      02-05-2011
      02:59 PM
      40

      fddddddssdfsdfsdfdsfsdfsd

      Attention

      try to be more mature instead of typing nonsense



    41. tallzilla
      02-05-2011
      03:25 PM
      41

      Will sony be shutting down all these sites and sueing the people that view them next? Sony is out of there mind, they need to just chill out, there update pretty much fixed there problem, so whats there deal?

    42. CaelThunderwing
      02-05-2011
      03:32 PM
      42

      they've even gone the non famous ones including Gatz85, he recived an DMCA letter about his github for his tools and LiveCD, my own ps3 projects blog got shut down due to Sony's Request >_>

    43. ibivibiv
      02-05-2011
      03:40 PM
      43

      I know that it sounds counter-intuitive to say $ony is giving up, but if they really had a solid technical solution to this problem that they thought would work long term they really wouldn't be doing all of this. Somewhere in the bowels of that mega corporation there is a room of guys brainstorming on how to un-F this situation for them. The answers must not be good coming out of that room. So imagine if you will some big fat suit getting the weekly status on the brainstorming and getting nothing definitive. He has to do something right? Those idiot engineers aren't helping. Let's try legal again, that worked on that Geo guy right? They got a restraining order to work with that judge they bought right?

      I guess this means after their failed attempt to fix this in the courts all will continue on as the development moves to places they can't touch. I imagine there are rooms in China all alive with developers working on this thing right now. Short of forcing everyone to log into P$N to play a game and validating the new encryption on the disc before ANY new game will run with some brand new encryption handshake there isn't much they can do. I am sure that room has told them that solution and it is a "no go".



      Just let them beat their collective faces against the brick wall until they work this out of their system. They are really angry and scared right now. That makes most normal humans behave fairly irrationally.

      Oh yeah and we are talking about the Japanese. They hate failure and hate PUBLICLY EMBARRASSING failure even more. Having a bunch of freaky looking foreigners labeling their work as "FAIL" is really going to urk them bad on the mainland.

    44. clipper01745
      02-05-2011
      03:46 PM
      44

      This is nothing new in the world of the internet, remember that far bigger organizations then SONY have try'd and failed at stoping online sites containing ether hack info or illegal downloads.

      No one has even come close to stopping it like someone else stated where one dies 3 more appear, So let them try the court stuff unless you live in the USA.

      As for requsting IP's from psx-scene and the like all i can say is dont waste your time SONY as IP's are not worth a toss in court, So what can they really do to us

    45. Prplehz
      02-05-2011
      03:49 PM
      45

      Don't forget that corporations don't have to follow the rules like you and I. They can do what ever the hell they want to do. They just have to pay more, but guess what? Sony has bottomless pockets and that means they can do what ever they want whenever they want, they just have to pay fines or pay off politicians to get new laws passed in their favor. The average Joe doesn't have a chance against an elitist corporation like Sony. Money talks, especially to judges and politicians.

    46. lernatix
      02-05-2011
      03:52 PM
      46

      So I guess this means a lot more releases by "Anonymous" and more private trackers?

      I'll live.

    47. TehAwesome
      02-05-2011
      04:00 PM
      47

      I've sat here quietly watching all the ranting and raving for long enough.

      It's all condescending and stupid. How can people actually fault Sony for trying to protect their own work? Really?

      Oh. The took away linux! Based upon what I've seen around the forums here and at psx- the sheer number of people saying "stupid n00b. read the tutorial and stay on topic. question NOT answered!"...I don't honestly hold a shred of hope that a legitimate number of users on these boards actually used the otherOS option. I tried it out and thought linux ran terribly. That was the end of that.

      Or how about our "legal right to play back ups!"... Ok fine. I challenge each and every person who says they are running 'legal backups' to prove it. Fact of the matter is, while some may be using legal copies, the vast majority are pirates.

      I just don't understand why a company defending it's business is so frowned upon. Just recently on reddit I caught an article about somebody who purchased a game from the applestore, changed the name and is now selling the exact same game as if it were their own. There is outrage about that! How dare they steal his hard work! Death to Apple for letting this happen!

      But Sony trys to protect their own interests, and CRIMINAL!

      Somebody said "put me in a room with the CEO..this whole thing will be over" or something similar. What are you going do? Beat him? Murder him? What will that prove? Just another statement counter-intuitive to the collective mind that there are people who just want homebrew capabilities for their own doing.

      Boycott PS4! Explain that to shareholders! Explain what? It's the shareholders that are putting the pressure on Sony to defend its property. Not to mention the sheer number of people that pirate vs. those that buy legitimate are ridiculous. I'd be surprised if the number of JB ps3's broke 20,000. Amongst the millions sold. The US military has probably purchased more PS3's alone then all the JB consoles.

      And not buying a PS4 just means Sony has one less person to deal with. One less person to say "I cant waits till teh ps4 is haxxed!". It will ultimately mean nothing to their overall business model.

      What will mean something though, is the 3rd party content creators. Nobody wants to put out software for a company that can't protect its properties. Oh gee, Sony just rolled over and let people tear their system wide open. Let's give THEM our game. Only for people to turn around and complain "this game is terrible! stupid sony! put out good games!".

      Now to clarify after my long rant. I do fully support jailbreaking the console. I am all for the ability to play "back-ups". I am all for the idea that I paid $400 for the console, I should be allowed to alter it as I please.

      But for the love of sanity, stop blaming Sony for trying to protect themselves!

      /commence flaming.

    48. japsander
      02-05-2011
      04:09 PM
      48

      @tehawesome

      while i agree with you for the most part, sony are going about it in the wrong way.
      they are not trying to protect their property, they are trying to write law.
      they are contacting everyone demanding that personal information be handed over stating that everything that the hackers have done is illegal when it is most definately not.

      sony made a huge mistake from the very beginning, claiming their system was airtight, challenging hackers to break their security and now look at them.

    49. HackMac
      02-05-2011
      04:15 PM
      49

      I think it time to make it public in radio and tv or other "Public" Boards. So that not only the scene is informed how silly business can be.

    50. plex
      02-05-2011
      04:20 PM
      50

      For people saying if GH didn't release the stuff he had then there wouldn't be other dev's doing what he is doing. No offense but Geohot isn't the only dev who would have managed to crack down the PS3 for further development.

      By the way Sony is there own company, Does anyone think any other company (ie; MS/Nintendo) would care with what is going on with their console.

      Everyone here has good explenations and points about this topic in general, And sony has to take these reviews seriously. Last thing needed in my opinion is for Graf to release his OtherOS emulator and half the dev's that are releasing stuff now wouldn't have to do more than what they have done because of other dev's not familiar with how the PS3 works will have the ability to do what ever they want with full system control over the PS3.

      I don't see any of this a big F-U to sony, It's just a Hobby for some developers and if sony wants to step out of line and and be the next generation console Nazi's then let them. Sony is just a company with money and i do believe some people have to watch out with what they can do whether or not they can touch the law in other countries.

      If there's a will, There's a way - That's for both Dev's and Sony.

    51. B1uBurneR
      02-05-2011
      04:23 PM
      51

      if thats the case, we should have a hacker named ****sony, let them have that in the courts paper. Why not have fun with it.

    52. sangrenegrv
      02-05-2011
      04:24 PM
      52

      More madness from a little group of mercenaries,
      Sonī no kore ijō no meiyo
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      In this cases, the original japaneses men should do harakiri.., come on sony, do it.

    53. B1uBurneR
      02-05-2011
      04:27 PM
      53

      how about a hacker named "innocent" or better yet a hacker named "Sony"

    54. leetwolf
      02-05-2011
      04:46 PM
      54

      @TehAwesome
      I am 100% in agreeance with you. I don't have a problem with protecting your IP (intellectual property), it's the manner in which they are doing it sometimes. A rootkit? Really!? I guess they were just protecting themselves when they came out with XCP and Mediamax? Infecting people with rootkits and stealing source code from other people? http://psh4x0rz.wordpress.com/2011/0...y-the-rootkit/ for more on that topic!

      I believe in freedom of the products we buy. Microsoft understands this model to some degree, they are coming out with official drivers for the Kinect and even gave us the ability to make backups on the console...so they do understand we have our needs! They even make it easy for us to develop for the 360...

      So, Sony is going way way too far with some of it's tactics. Sueing someone is not going to resolve the issue, just make them look like jackasses.

      Refusing to buy a PS4 won't prove anything, you're right unless it was 100,000 people or something doing it.

      All I want is homebrew, let me play my SNES and classic systems...thats all I really want!

    55. gle80
      02-05-2011
      04:47 PM
      55

      playstation should spend money on producing a gradeA product, instead of high priced flying lawers

    56. japsander
      02-05-2011
      04:49 PM
      56

      Originally Posted by gle80
      playstation should spend money on producing a gradeA product, instead of high priced flying lawers
      they did produce a grade A product.
      their arrogance and customer relations are what is at fault, not the console.

    57. ibivibiv
      02-05-2011
      05:05 PM
      57

      Why don't they just be brave and go open source? Some sort of back to the future thing. PC's don't have hardware based security and games and developers seem to do just fine there. Be brave $ony, you already make it hard as hell to develop on your system. Most of the devs will have to implement their own security now anyway. You know what they say, "If you can't beat 'em, join em". Think of what you could gain by embracing all of these smart people rather than fighting them. You lose nothing since your entire platform is compromised at the deepest level. Go for it. Be bold. It just might turn your entire situation around?

    58. gle80
      02-05-2011
      05:07 PM
      58

      Originally Posted by japsander
      they did produce a grade A product.
      their arrogance and customer relations are what is at fault, not the console.
      no offence dude, i'v had 3 ps3 two died within warranty,

      the first one was only 4months old

      and third died just outside of it, dvd drive failed

      compared to the lenth of time i had it, to the amount of times its been used

      nothing should have failed, so in my case the comment still stands "gradeA inferior product"

      my ps1 n 2 are still going strong, old faithful i call them

    59. krillen
      02-05-2011
      05:22 PM
      59

      Is this Sony admitting they have nothing they can do but sue all the hackers cause the hackers have won? I think it is myself. All I know is this will not stop the hackers. It will just drive then and the scene underground to irc or something else I don't know.

    60. TehAwesome
      02-05-2011
      05:23 PM
      60

      I'm not disagreeing that Sony are going about it the wrong way. Suing people never helps. However, at this point, what are they to do? They already tried having the information taken down, people said FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU! And made 10 million mirrors of it. Legal seems the next step.

      As for the 'pc developers are doing just fine'...I disagree whole heartedly. PC game developers are churning out more multiplatform games to help compensate for the dying PC game market.

      As for the quality of the PS3, I'd say its still grade A. I went through 3 ps2s. One of them dying before it was a month old. My PS3 however seems to be doing just fine. No laser issues. No YLOD. nothing... compared to the 360, I'd say its a solid system.

      I am relieved, to be honest, to see people agreeing with the 'get over Sony defending themselves' idea, and rather just disagreeing with the methods. Really was a breath of fresh air.

    61. Starteck2002
      02-05-2011
      05:23 PM
      61

      Got to agree with TehAwesome - It's obvious that Sony are going to protect their system in any way they can, regardless of how futile that may be. They have obligations to their shareholders, game developers and 3rd party licensees.

      Every time one of these threads comes up all the idiots jump in with their 'OtherOS' this,'Legal Backup' that and 'i should be allowed to run homebrew' statements when the truth of the matter is that they just play games that they have not paid for. Most of them don't know their CentOS from their Ubuntu, backups are NOT legal and the choice of homebrew is overwhelming.

      My PS3 has a 640GB drive in it, I have a 50meg cable connection and an account with GigaNews. I purchased my PS3 when the first JB appeared as I knew things were going to get interesting. Prior to that I had no interest whatsoever. I have not cost Sony or it's developers money (or sales) as I would never have purchased games anyway. I am a realist. I care not for homebrew, backups or Linux on a console. I am a pirate and I understand that Sony will do all they can to stop me doing what I do - and rightly so. It's about time some others joined the real world too :-)

    62. hexmagix
      02-05-2011
      05:34 PM
      62

      ok......
      So sony are taking their battle in the courts to yet more devs... well firstly it seems to me they are "hunting" and trying to make a figure (scape goat) public and try and hang them out to dry.......... hmmmm maybe they will....but I dont think so. there are too many holes in their argument... and the reprocutions world wide would be enough for most courts to throw it all out regardless of the company in question being SONY...

      Secondly if they had not of downgraded/reduced the end product devs/hackers wouldnt be so annoyed that they HAD to hack it all to bring it back.......

      IF IT CAN BE HACKED IT WILL BE HACKED....
      and sony to be quite frank, if you had sorted the security codes that were supposed to be random in the first place this would not have happened... looking for someone to blame.... heres a mirror.

    63. AboveUnrefined
      02-05-2011
      05:37 PM
      63

      I personally disagree with the recent complacent statements.
      If you're benefiting from these efforts you're involved and should stick up for these people getting hammered for their efforts. I could say that you're somewhat right, however, if people find out how to do something cool in the future, they'll end up keeping it secret and to themselves for the fear of losing their freedom. It's ultimately an assault into everyone's personal life -- it's one thing if these people were on a Sony premises announcing their findings without consent. Sony would have the right to tell you to leave. This is not the case, Sony should back down and work harder to keep their hardware controlled the way that they wanted, not throw smoke and mirrors about initial other os to get people like me to buy it to find how it's locked down, and then removing it. It's really unacceptable.
      The only way I can find Sony practices acceptable is if they leased their devices. Then you don't own the physical device...

      By the way, don't play Blu Ray movies in conventional ways while connected to the Internet. There's a lot of effort out in the industry to try to collect information based on what you've been doing with your player. They should be paying you for that or at least asking you before sending that information off.

    64. hukfed
      02-05-2011
      05:39 PM
      64

      Dear Mr $ony,

      Your origional law suit was flawed from the start, if you'd handled this in the right way, looked and followed the examples set by M$ and Nintendosh and took stock of what happened with the Iphone and the outcome of that Law Suit then you wouldn't have so much egg on your face now..

      Because even if you do (and that's a big IF) win these Law Suits ect, what exactly will you have achieved, will it stop the alternative code from being installed, do you really think that everybody (Dev's current and future/ end users) will suddenly decide to erase all CFW/HomeBrew/Dev Tools form their PC's and or Consoles, do you think you can now stop the development of HomeBrew and CFW's, are you really that nieve ?

      Your horse has bolted, the console is compromised and there is nothing you can now do (well maybe shut the internet down, that's a Law suit I'd like to see !)...Other companies understand this and except it as part of the process and life cycle of their systems, they still make their profits and customers still have alot of respect for their products.

      You are losing respect and a substantial customer base, for what, a bit of pride...please stop.....

      Yours, a PS3 Fan.....

    65. Prplehz
      02-05-2011
      05:48 PM
      65

      Originally Posted by HackMac
      I think it time to make it public in radio and tv or other "Public" Boards. So that not only the scene is informed how silly business can be.
      Problem with that is they own the media too. And they aren't about to broadcast what they don't want people to know...

    66. fahadj2003
      02-05-2011
      06:03 PM
      66

      japans way of taking over the world
      lets sue all the bloody bastards! right on!

    67. Jeepet
      02-05-2011
      06:06 PM
      67

      "Well then, judging by $ony's latest actions I guess the XMB background music for the PS4 will be the "Imperial March"....

      YouTube - Star Wars music video: Imperial March"

      - EPIC WIN! :D

    68. Junishin
      02-05-2011
      06:08 PM
      68

      Aren't a lot of these guys in Spain? Where Sony already lost and Jailbreaking/Hacking is legal?
      What does Sony hope to gain? It really makes no sense. God I wanna be a Flay on the Wall in their Legal Department.
      "The boss says stop these guys!!"
      "How?"
      "He doesn't care."
      "mindless Lawsuits?"
      "Sure! Yes! They have Plenty of money and we need some!!!"

    69. happy4ever
      02-05-2011
      06:10 PM
      69

      rofl,its chuck norris birth song :D

    70. hukfed
      02-05-2011
      06:14 PM
      70



      Sony's next xmb background.......

    71. AboveUnrefined
      02-05-2011
      06:20 PM
      71

      Originally Posted by fahadj2003
      japans way of taking over the world
      lets sue all the bloody bastards! right on!
      I wouldn't say Japan, it's these empire companies like Apple and Sony. Apple's the US equivalent to Japanese Sony.

      EDIT
      /\HAHAHA Nice!/\

    72. chemixal
      02-05-2011
      06:29 PM
      72

      lol, so they're THAT pissed.... but that's good! it means that the ps3 scene was granted with great devs, keep up people !

      by the way, I'd like to start a petition so everyone that dont want sony to do this have a way to say it.

    73. reggiemando
      02-05-2011
      06:43 PM
      73

      The lawyers are gonna be happy Not due to the fact that they'll be fighting back the hacker (pretty sure a few of them even have cfw/jailbroken consoles :aetsch but for the fact that those working in the legal/law department must be reelin' in mega bonuses from SONY :thefinger: what a f**king lose-lose war for Sony

    74. plex
      02-05-2011
      06:45 PM
      74

      Please don't call the homebrew developers as "hackers", It's a ugly term to use towards people that 'prove' the ps3 security is a failure, And to enable homebrew and backup - Just stick with the term 'developers' it's much nicer and meaningful.

      I don't think a petetion will work, Seeing it isn't a law change or a new law. But you never know what will work, It's worth a try!

      And to be honest, Sony isn't going to respond/reply back to any of us on a PS3 modding or as most like to call it 'hacking' site like this one.

    75. AboveUnrefined
      02-05-2011
      06:47 PM
      75

      Originally Posted by plex
      Please don't call the homebrew developers as "hackers", It's a ugly term to use towards people that 'prove' the ps3 security is a failure, And to enable homebrew and backup - Just stick with the term 'developers' it's much nicer and meaningful.

      I don't think a petetion will work, Seeing it isn't a law change or a new law. But you never know what will work, It's worth a try!

      And to be honest, Sony isn't going to respond/reply back to any of us on a PS3 modding or as most like to call it 'hacking' site like this one.
      It is hacking, period. There's nothing negative about the term -- it's been used before the computer age. In computer world, it generally means that you've accomplished a goal through an unconventional method.

      Many would consider many Microsoft softwares as hacks, as an example. You can call it what you want, but anything outside of the scope of what Sony intended is a hack, in my view.

    76. guakamole345
      02-05-2011
      07:42 PM
      76

      Ugh, this is as stupid as sueing somebody for SMASHING a PS3 with a hammer, using the parts for something else then learning others how to do it.. =3=

    77. Sexbox
      02-05-2011
      07:54 PM
      77

      This is why i hope Sony never get another generation of being #1 under their belts, they are ****ing scum and people say things about Microsoft, but make no mistake, Sony is the leech.

    78. Sk8ergrl
      02-05-2011
      07:59 PM
      78

      I think its time for us to go underground and have our own private irc where its password protected so the devs can release to us in the irc room. They can give us the temp password in private but password expires once its been used. We need to be a secret family now. Sony have done this to us and so be it let's give them HELL!!

    79. johnnyb15613
      02-05-2011
      08:05 PM
      79

      Originally Posted by plex
      For people saying if GH didn't release the stuff he had then there wouldn't be other dev's doing what he is doing. No offense but Geohot isn't the only dev who would have managed to crack down the PS3 for further development.

      By the way Sony is there own company, Does anyone think any other company (ie; MS/Nintendo) would care with what is going on with their console.

      Everyone here has good explenations and points about this topic in general, And sony has to take these reviews seriously. Last thing needed in my opinion is for Graf to release his OtherOS emulator and half the dev's that are releasing stuff now wouldn't have to do more than what they have done because of other dev's not familiar with how the PS3 works will have the ability to do what ever they want with full system control over the PS3.

      I don't see any of this a big F-U to sony, It's just a Hobby for some developers and if sony wants to step out of line and and be the next generation console Nazi's then let them. Sony is just a company with money and i do believe some people have to watch out with what they can do whether or not they can touch the law in other countries.

      If there's a will, There's a way - That's for both Dev's and Sony.
      Im not saying that its because of GH that these devs have progressed,nor am I saying nobody else could have broke it! What I am saying is that these devs are examples of GHJB allowing more and more. It is for that reason these other devs' names are getting call3d. Their work will become evidence!
      And until that case is closed, they will continue to do so!

    80. killuinurface
      02-05-2011
      08:06 PM
      80

      i think its quite funny that they are doing this cuz if one of the major dudes is goine down others are going to take there place to keep there work going so all in all sony is never going to win at this on matter what they do

    81. echto
      02-05-2011
      08:29 PM
      81

      Yooohooooo, Sony, Over here!

    82. ghostnik11
      02-05-2011
      08:34 PM
      82

      Sony is losing there minds if they think they can pull off stopping developers who want to develop there own software for there own device (ps3) in which they bought and own, and if they choose to put up a source code of there work to a git hub, how is that breaking the law? its a persons device, not sony's device, if its sony's device even after a person went into a store and purchased it with there own cash, then sony and any other company who believes SCEA is correct in suing people for writing there own software for there own device that they paid for, should be boycotted world wide.

      People should never buy another device from sony if they are going to sue people on outrageous charges that in a court room with a fair judge who has common sense and not one corrupt in which they are taking money under the table to rule in sony's favor. This is just crazy, that sony could do this and get away with it, all b/c of money.

      This massive law suit might end homebrew for future consoles as we know it, if they win or is enable by corrupt judges to do this kind of crap, then they will probably get senators to pass a law saying that any third party software on a console is a crime and then the end of homebrew as they would enforce such a rule, and have FBI agents searching the nation for developers who write there own software.

      Sony needs to just chill and let people who want to develop there own software for there own console that they paid for be free, its not like they will lose money over it, there consoles will still be sold and bought, look at the 360 and wii, both are hacked and can run 3rd party software and that hasn't destroyed nintendo and microsoft money off of those consoles.

    83. VideoX
      02-05-2011
      08:41 PM
      83

      Ken Kutaragi must be cursing all Sony's employees right now. To see how a company destroys the reputation and fame that he achieved with the PSOne and PS2 so hard, must be a kick in the nuts.

      And really, as most of you guys have pointed out on several ocasions, Sony is the only company that removes features with FW releases instead of adding new ones (which is ilogical and ridiculous). They've opened that thing in the PS Blog to propose features by popular vote, yet they don't include them in FW releases (and I'm talking about requests from many years ago, not some feat. someone asked yesterday).

      It's not bad that Sony sues every major character in the Scene, it's what companies do when someone messes around with their products in a way they didn't mean to. The problem are the arguments to do that and the actions taken.

      The hackers did take intelectual property from Sony by using OFW to reverse engineering it and release CFW (as GameOS is still running in the background), but Sony can't do nothing to them by publishing methods nor source code from their own developed applications (it's illegal to use Sony's code, it isn't to use own developed code).

      Now, if someone can release an OS (Linux, a copy-cat of GameOS or whatever), then Sony can do nothing to prevent the PS3 users from using it nor sue the developers since the OS has nothing to do with the company, as long as it doesn't use Sony's code (partially nor totally). As Linux is protected by the GPL license, modifying it to be run in a PS3 is allowed.

    84. echto
      02-05-2011
      08:50 PM
      84

      Originally Posted by hashoo
      Sony kiss my ass.

      I am from pakistan and if anybody wanna upload anything or wanna hide from any legal action from sony you are more than fuking welcome brothers.
      SONY can't do **** in here.
      Why ?
      Because they just can't.

      Attention

      No swearing or bypassing the swear filter



      How about a server in Egypt? That would make it interesting for Sony.

    85. Jailbreak
      02-05-2011
      09:02 PM
      85

      Well this is the arguement everyone has - We bought it, we own it, so we should be able to do whatever the hell we want with it. Just like when you by a pc, no one will stop you putting stuff on it. So why isn't it the same. SONY failed by leaving their own private key on the PS3. Its our ps3 so we should be able to do whatever we want with it. SONY think they "are all that and a baseball bat" they are just big company with all the money in the world that talk out of their ass.

    86. santaro
      02-05-2011
      09:45 PM
      86

      I think Sony is just wasting there time by doing this. There will always be hackers and there will always be someone willing to take time to hack it. Sony is running scared and what was once the largest name brand for electronics is nothing more then the avergae joe. Microsoft , Nintendo, Sega etc... the list goes on and on. There has always been ways to "hack" consoles, systems, softwars etc.. what they doing is just going to back fire and just irrate the hacker community into focusing all there efforts on to Sony.

      Im sorry I dont want P off the hackers thats something you just dont want to do as regardless if you win you still lose becuase the information will always make it out there via one source or another.

      The consumer has a right to once the product is bought they can do with what they please. So you telling me if i went and bough a chevy added a corvette engine, painted black , etc... that no i cant do that hmm ...

    87. vp5665900
      02-05-2011
      10:11 PM
      87

      You can cry and stomp your feet and throw out court orders as much as you want Sony but you will never win and you will never stop the hackers from doing what they do we will hack any and everything. electronics or like sex if they where cheap we wouldn't find ways to get it free. :aetsch:

    88. krazikurd
      02-05-2011
      11:14 PM
      88

      my advice to paypal or youtube or who ever wants to give private information on these hackers is simple. the hackers will return the favor by doing what sony is doing to them SUEE YOU guys

      and then you will be like

      THAAEEEYYY TAAWWWKKK ARREEEE JAWWWBBBSS

      GOODLUCK HACKERS
      kick some sony ass

    89. Rogerdodger91
      02-06-2011
      12:10 AM
      89

      You guys pretend like sony has a choice about this. They have to fight because the 3rd party game developers will stop developing games for their platform if they dont do something about this. The wii doesnt have that many great games coming out for it, neither does the psp or ds. While the consoles themselves get sold the games doesnt sell. The only developers that wont suffer are the ones who make big blockbuster games like call of duty. Because even if a million people pirate the game, there is still millions more who buy it.

    90. darkfroggy
      02-06-2011
      12:34 AM
      90

      S.o.n.y.w.a.r.s----) Attack of the Clone hackers Episode 1

      One day one boy called Luke Geohot learned his force to unleashed the force against the Emperor.The Emperor heard what was going on,so he released his bounty hunter for Young Master Geohot.But Master Geohot was not afraid of the emperor so he hacked the device so called PayStation3.The Emperor got more fury so fury and that his people was so against his Policy Terms. For the Emperor he did not care and continue his quest for another plan............

      Coming Soon Episode 2 : A NEW DARTH HATER ???

    91. Willie C.
      02-06-2011
      01:20 AM
      91

      If SONY is to be scared there is 1 thing that can do it. Bring the Enola Gay out of moth balls and tell them it will bomb them (again).

    92. TehAwesome
      02-06-2011
      01:51 AM
      92

      Saw this quote:

      "it's one thing if these people were on a Sony premises announcing their findings without consent. Sony would have the right to tell you to leave. This is not the case"

      and immediatly thought of this quote:...dang. can't find the quote. But it was somebody on here blathering about how they were going to take all of the info about OFW/CFW and homebrew and how to install and blah blah blah and put it on a usb stick or something like that, go down to the sony store and give it away to everybody...

      And what is all this talk about "if one dev falls, another will take his place"... If it were really that easy to code for the PS3, don't you think the scene would be moving much quicker then it is, with a LOT more prevalent names as well?..

      And the "its my machine, I can do what I want" mentality holds no water for me either. Since the fated day on April 1st, 2010 when Sony removed the otherOS option, roughly 1,644,000 PS3's have been sold. That's a whole lot of people who don't care about the otherOS option. But let's be realistic. They advertised linux on the PS3 and took it away. That's not exactly fair. Then along came fail0verflow who gave us the tools to put it back on. This next part is important here..

      People started complaining "can I play my backups on PSN! (read as "Can I cheat while playing my pirated copy of MW2 on PSN?")...so next came the backup manager apps and that is when things went from 'homebrew' and 'otherOS' to Sony trying to protect it's profit margin.

      Dangnabbit. My steak is now done and I've lost my train of thought, but if you really hate Sony, I'll buy each of your PS3's for a single dollar. That'll really show em how much you hate them. Any takers?

    93. advocatusdiaboli
      02-06-2011
      04:26 AM
      93

      Sony does not admit to receiving money for their sale of PS3s, and still claim ownership through their redonkulous efforts. This alone is both trespassing and also taking into their "own hands"

      Do you want to live in a world such as this?

      If you buy a knife and the knifesmith wants you to only cut their artificial beech tree with... they can claim you broke the terms of use if you cut regular beech tree with it?!?

      I vote for death penality for Sony in this case, attempting to do monopoly in a free market.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************

      Originally Posted by Willie C.
      If SONY is to be scared there is 1 thing that can do it. Bring the Enola Gay out of moth balls and tell them it will bomb them (again).
      We’d need the LATLONG for that to happen.
      Fear was always a control factor.

      What I was hoping for was understanding.

      Sony to sell their consoles always scammed off the initial home computer market and therefor owes the market in terms of marketing act to stimulate to the level of the precursor artifacts in the market such as VIC-20, Commodore 64, Amiga 500 and others.

      The users believe that the world has progression.

      Therefore it is wrong to remove development features for the boxes that are plugable to the TV. There is also an environmental aspect of this feature removal; people will end up having more boxes in the living room, adding power consumption.

    94. smeppy
      02-06-2011
      06:31 AM
      94

      To anyone getting sued under U.S law that doesn't reside in the U.S they should consider getting a knowledgeable lawyer and forcefully reminding Sony of, subject matter jurisdiction, which means.
      The basic foundation for an attack on a claim, brought against foreign defendants in U.S. Courts, is that subject matter jurisdiction does not exist over a claim of foreign copyright infringement.This is so because the “copyright laws do not apply extraterritoriality, each of the rights conferred under [the Copyright Act] must be read as extending ‘no farther than the [U.S.] borders.

      This even applies to us supreme court cases.

      The Supreme Court recently reminded us that “it is a long-standing principle of
      American law ‘that legislation of Congress, unless a contrary intent appears, is
      meant to apply only within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.’ ”
      EEOC v. Arabian American Oil Co. ( Aramco ), 499 U.S. 244, 248, 111 S.Ct.
      1227, 1230, 113 L.Ed.2d 274 (1991) (quoting Foley Bros., Inc. v. Filardo, 336
      U.S. 281, 285, 69 S.Ct. 575, 577, 93 L.Ed. 680 (1949)). Because courts must
      “assume that Congress legislates against the backdrop of the presumption against
      extraterritoriality,” unless “there is ‘the affirmative intention of the Congress.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Essentially what Sony wants to establish is that we cant modify the Playstation, due to the fact that we don't own the system. Apparently we are leasing it since we agreed to the EULA upon boot up. That lead's me to believe that since we LEASED these systems and don't own them. We should be provided legal exemptions for damage to the system relating to faulty design. Meaning repairing unchargeable controller's due to dead batteries. Fixing faulty Blu-ray drives instead of charging to repair them, replacing faulty power supplies. Fixing or replacing faulty consoles with YLOD. FREE replacements for people whose console was bricked as a result of an OFFICIAL firmware update.

      When you sign a lease for an auto or apartment you are entitled to specific consumer protections not afforded to people that purchase. Like, oh I don't know, NOT REMOVING FEATURES THAT WERE IN THE ORIGINAL TERMS OF THE LEASE. If I truly am leasing this piece of consumer electronics, then why did I have to pay full retail price when I purchased it?. Instead of paying a reduced rate, lets say a small percent of cost of production, think somewhere between 10 and 20 percent. Followed by monthly payments until the lease term ends, upon which I return it to Sony, or I pay a balloon payment that results in TOTAL UNFETTERED OWNERSHIP. Check out car leases for a rough example. What exactly am I getting for my four hundred dollars. Other than a sore rectum.

      If the argument is that I am leasing the code that execute's on the system instead of the system itself. Then I would expect to be provided with an alternative from Sony that allows me to run my own code, on the system instead of the code they ship it with. Like something, that might be, LINUX BASED.

      Please read DMCA page 1088 section 3. This part of the law states that computer code is protected speech covered under the first amendment of the U.S constitution. It even cites Bernstein vs Department of Justice, specifically covering an encryption algorithm, ( not Sony's forte apparently ) that Mr Bernstein wrote. That, coincidentally, the U.S government didn't want him to distribute.

      If Sony wants to wrangle legalese in U.S courts, they better be prepared to back up their mindless drivel with something other than buckets of cash funneled into reelection campaigns for a sorry excuse of a handful of hackneyed judge's, with the constitutional education of a roundworm. The judicial system is intended to serve the people, not a large multinational conglomerate...

    95. gambit01dc
      02-06-2011
      10:27 AM
      95

      ---S.O.N.Y ---why cant they live up with the hackers???are they not happy that their console now adays sold alot due to the effort of people who cares for the consumer public???...GREEDINESS:thefinger: the root of evil that sony wants to be...people are buying ps3 now a days because of GRAF--WANIN--KMEAW---THE MASTER GEOHOT!!...solid effort to make the console more useful to the ownership of every human being who bought their product,so whats their problem???paranoid that,a oridnary human being that cannot wear such creepy outfit that they wear,will turn their console around???MAN!!!S.O.N.Y,,BARE IN YOUR :thefinger: MIND"YOU DAMN,FU$%&*# ASH$%#LES YOU DONT OWN THE WORLD!!!!!,your just people like us in this community...take this"you will regret the peoples anger if you take down,the people your gettin into right now....WW3 VS. S.O.N.Y!!!

    96. VideoX
      02-06-2011
      11:26 AM
      96

      Originally Posted by Willie C.
      If SONY is to be scared there is 1 thing that can do it. Bring the Enola Gay out of moth balls and tell them it will bomb them (again).
      Just remembered this: South Park's Enola Gay

      Sorry, couldn't help it

      Ontopic:

      I still don't quiet get which is Sony's position on the PS3, a retail product or a leased product. Also, the PS3 is still refered as a "Home Entertainment System" or now can it be called "Home Computer" as it's always been?.

    97. SuperDre
      02-06-2011
      11:36 AM
      97

      after all if one goes down we all know 3 other will pop up in his place.
      Oh yeah, because we already seen that happening.. NOT!
      It takes knowledge and time, and a lot of people don't want to invest time like the current 'hackers' have. Also if all major players on the PS3 scene are succesfully sued (which at this moment we all might think impossible) it will prevent other hackers from publishing etc (because if you loose it will cost you a lot of money). Also the current scene isn't big at all, yeah there are some people who develop hacks, but most of them are based on information already provided by the ones that are currently sued, so with a new protection and those original people not available it will be hard to find people willing to invest all that time with such prospects of being sued..

    98. sayargh
      02-06-2011
      11:45 AM
      98

      Originally Posted by SuperDre
      Also if all major players on the PS3 scene are succesfully sued (which at this moment we all might think impossible).
      It IS impossible, they all live in different countries which have different laws, some of them more than likely permit what these guys are doing.

      As for the knowledge thing, well these guys have already laid the foundation, and released the tools, its foolish to think it would take just as long to create a new ps3 hacker as one of these guys.

    99. lewislowlife
      02-06-2011
      12:42 PM
      99

      Why is everyone moaing... i mean yh hacked console can be good buut sony need the games and money to keep the system alive!!

      the psp just went dead due to homebrew and darkalex, the ps3 is a bigger thing but game devs will soon start to think wait i can make for 360 and make a fair amount of profit or develop for ps3 and i dont know loose 10% profits?

      all the good games will soon die for ps3 mw2 already has

      so stop ****ING moaning you just killing the console dicks.

    100. tripellex
      02-06-2011
      01:10 PM
      100

      I'm surprised noone has brought up this twunt of a lawyer $ony has, Holly Gawdawful (name changed to protect the innocent, meaning me :thefinger, who is bringing it upon her slimy ambulance chasing self to go after anyone who so much as mutters plans to modify anything firmware-related. A quick Facebook check shows her in all her skanky bloodsucking succubi glory.

      I know you're reading this, lady. So please, do us all a favor. :thefinger: off and die, you sleazy scumbag lawyer.

    101. VideoX
      02-06-2011
      01:34 PM
      101

      Originally Posted by lewislowlife
      Why is everyone moaing... i mean yh hacked console can be good buut sony need the games and money to keep the system alive!!

      the psp just went dead due to homebrew and darkalex, the ps3 is a bigger thing but game devs will soon start to think wait i can make for 360 and make a fair amount of profit or develop for ps3 and i dont know loose 10% profits?

      all the good games will soon die for ps3 mw2 already has

      so stop ****ING moaning you just killing the console dicks.
      The developers stoped making games for the PSP due to expensive development and production costs; the minis sell well better, don't need to be burned to a UMD (which costs money) and are far more easy to develop and available instantly all over the world.

      The UMD, by being a closed media format, played backwards in the consumers and the PSP, it was a fail attempt to make piracy very difficult. And there you have it, minis were released and a PSPgo without UMD support (not even Sony wants to support their own media format anymore) and yet, half of the PSP's game catalog is still on UMD without it's respective match on the PSN.

      Sony cares in selling consoles, nothing more, nothing less. They are pissed of because some of the hackers used OFW code to create and publish CFW, which is illegal due to Sony's copyright of GameOS. Which is not illegal is the fact that you can develop an app that can be run in GameOS. And as long as the consumers request new games to be develop, the console will be alive (the PS2, for example, still alive after 10+ years with new games coming out).

      The game studios have more troubles with the PC branch, and yet they still develop and publish games, the PC gaming market isn't dying at all, and was (and is) the first pirated one of the gaming world. Nintendo and Microsoft are still releasing lots of games, always, even by the time each console was fully hacked to play backups. And some studios (by not saying most of them) don't say "oh, the PS3 is hacked, tomorrow I will start to develop for Nintendo" because the platforms are different, you can't develop for the PS3, press a button in your computer and expect your game to be converted for the Xbox 360. In other words, game studios always try to stick with one or two consoles, because it's very difficult to port a game between consoles.

      The PS3's game catalog isn't going to die, stuck or whatever, they are going to keep releasing games, some good ones, some bad ones, but releasing them anyway. The business of Sony is to sell consoles, the PSN is another market that Sony controls, which (for now) is the only multiplayer online platform for the PS3 and requires the user to have an original copy of the game in order to play online in the PSN.

      MW2 (and Black Ops) is going down because of the studio that took the Call of Duty brand. I played CoD4 and MW2, and you can see the difference, CoD4 is more polished in gameplay, physics, realism, AI, etc. Forget about graphics because every major studio can now make graphics of so much quality.

      CoD are the only games that I've seen to be cheated in the PSN, not even the Battlefields nor any other FPS or 3rd PS, so that's CoD's studios fault for not repairing their security holes.

      Finally, this is a PS3 hacking forum, if you don't like hacking, then what are you doing here?. I think you missed some turn and ended up in the wrong place. And people always kill consoles (remember the Sega Saturn and the Dreamcast, amazing systems that came at the wrong time and were kill by the consumers), which is not going to happen in this generation.

    102. chusrubi2
      02-06-2011
      01:40 PM
      102

      Why is not Mathieul in the list...
      SONY RAT.

    103. Wolfie708
      02-06-2011
      02:04 PM
      103

      Originally Posted by Willie C.
      If SONY is to be scared there is 1 thing that can do it. Bring the Enola Gay out of moth balls and tell them it will bomb them (again).
      Sorry, but do you actually have a mental defect???

      To you and all the rest of the Japan haters, are you so blind and stupid to realise that it is, and always has been from day one, Sony USA that is trying to rule the roost with all this?

      To the ameoba whose post I have quoted, if you honestly believe what you posted then I have a REAL pity for any offspring of yours and even more pity for the people you and they come into contact with.

      This is supposed to be about Sony and the PS3 etc, not the USA's mass slaughter of human beings.

    104. seang707
      02-06-2011
      02:24 PM
      104

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Sorry, but do you actually have a mental defect???

      To you and all the rest of the Japan haters, are you so blind and stupid to realise that it is, and always has been from day one, Sony USA that is trying to rule the roost with all this?

      To the ameoba whose post I have quoted, if you honestly believe what you posted then I have a REAL pity for any offspring of yours and even more pity for the people you and they come into contact with.

      This is supposed to be about Sony and the PS3 etc, not the USA's mass slaughter of human beings.
      So so true could not have said it better myself

    105. TehAwesome
      02-06-2011
      04:28 PM
      105

      How can you say PC gaming isn't dying?

      The only non-console PC big-budget games to come out recently (or even not so recently) have almost exclusively been from Blizzard. Or another cheap crack of a clone of WoW.

      Yes, there are still MANY games for the PC, but a lot of them are ports over of console games at this point, not the other way around as it used to be. It is difficult for developers to invest just time and money in a single platform these days, whether it be PC, PS3, Wii, Xbox, or whatever. But the PC is definitely lowest on that list in terms of proprietary content.

      As for the "this is a haxxing forum. gtfo" - People can agree with the ideals and methods behind the hacking, but still be rational enough to understand Sony is just trying to protect their business- albeit in a terrible method - but just trying to protect their business none the less.

      And to the example of cars, I have two things there. 1) You can't do whatever you want without consequence. You can't put too dark of a tint on the windows without getting a ticket. You can't drive as fast as you want. You can't bypass a limiter unit that prevents you from going over a certain speed. You can't drive while intoxicated. You can't put lights on it and pretend it's an emergency vehicle. While it is your car, there are many things you still can't do.

      The other thing is warranty. When you buy a new car, if you (usually) do even the smallest of repairs such as having a non-dealer-specific garage do an oil change, they can void your warranty. Seems just as draconian to me. But again. Protecting their business.

      So I reiterate. Be angry about what Sony is doing, but be reasonable enough to realize why they are doing it.

    106. tantan20171
      02-06-2011
      08:24 PM
      106

      Everybody has a very good point.... the modifying cars, the ownership pf the product.... but hopefully someone can remember a news topic i found (sorry i need to find the source) but i believe it was either NASA or USA AIRFORCE that used 100 ps3 to create a massive smart computer!... wonder why sony didn't sue them, surely they had hackers to create it! SONY didn't sue them because it was THEIR LEGALLY PURCHASED PRODUCT:thefinger:

    107. VideoX
      02-06-2011
      09:01 PM
      107

      Originally Posted by tantan20171
      Everybody has a very good point.... the modifying cars, the ownership pf the product.... but hopefully someone can remember a news topic i found (sorry i need to find the source) but i believe it was either NASA or USA AIRFORCE that used 100 ps3 to create a massive smart computer!... wonder why sony didn't sue them, surely they had hackers to create it! SONY didn't sue them because it was THEIR LEGALLY PURCHASED PRODUCT:thefinger:
      I think you missed the point there. USAF was the entity that bought 1760 PS3s in order to make a cluster, which run custom software in Linux, not using CFW nor GameOS.

      They only use the PS3 for computing power, not for gaming; and as they never modified the FW, then it's perfectly legal.

      Source 1: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/ps3-air-...news-5297.html
      Source 2: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthre...om-PS3-Update?

    108. Kondor1
      02-07-2011
      12:54 AM
      108

      Remember....BestBuy will setup your PS3 right out of the box and connect to the tv for you. You dont even have to press a button... THEY WILL ACCEPT THE EULA for you. hmmm, since they are a Sony retail outlet, doesnt that leave you out of the EULA, since you didnt necessarily agree to it yourself? yep. those that have Geeksquad come out and set it up to your tv for you inhome... no EULA read for you. They will even ask you for an email address and help you get the PSN setup, without you having to click on that EULA too. So, saying I got Bestbuy to do all for me, I never filled out any EULA, and i am under assumption that i purchased it, according to Best Buy. I can do whatever i wish. With the non-update of firmware, that keeps you from playing new titles on or offline. BestBuy has a no return policy on open software. Is this a problem too? It is if you have updated firmware 3.56 straight from BestBuy, and dont play the online/multiplayer/psn part. for future updates, as you wont be able to update firmware without internet from there. does that mean that if there is a disc that requires 3.58 within the first year (under warranty) and cant be ran, due to older firmware and no internet. without knowing so..and bestbuy setting up. you cannot return the software either. Bad marketing model. Ok, my rant is over.

    109. advocatusdiaboli
      02-07-2011
      01:08 AM
      109

      If Sony keeps going on about all this legal stuff, they will soon be charged for crimes against humanity.

      Putting those who are capable of real development in court for doing this is an action very close to that of Khmer Krahom.

    110. ninjanutta
      02-07-2011
      03:40 AM
      110

      look,we all know its crap what sony is doing,they are obviously clutching at straws and trying to buy some down time from the scene,slow down the hackers with scare tacticks while they try and work out a solution.
      I dont agree with it at all but i also dont agree with all the idiots on here saying F you Fony and all that crap,we all love sony or we wouldnt be playing the bloody ps3 in the first place,without them we will have no god of war,uncharted,etc.get my drift.
      we are playing a game,been doing it for years with 360 aswell,i dont hate them when i get banned,i just get the best firmware and move on,just love my gaming.grow up guys and girls,you will be more upset if they shut up shop and never released another console or games.

    111. advocatusdiaboli
      02-07-2011
      04:36 AM
      111

      Is there a date yet for the court case yet?

    112. mikhael
      02-07-2011
      06:11 AM
      112

      Originally Posted by jazneo
      If sony want to stop hacker then they should never made USB port,flash memory stick and blue-ray disk drive on the ps3. they should made full close off base system only hook internet from wifi
      really?! you dont think much ahead right?
      So anyone who dont have wifi dont have the right to play ps3?

    113. Wolfie708
      02-07-2011
      06:34 AM
      113

      Well it would stop hackers......... Mainly because noone would buy it LOL

    114. mikhael
      02-07-2011
      06:37 AM
      114

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Well it would stop hackers......... Mainly because noone would buy it LOL
      lol exacly...thats why sony dont do that...
      They prefer selling alot of consoles and then fight piracy

    115. advocatusdiaboli
      02-07-2011
      07:07 AM
      115

      I sure do hope the judge states the content of the following:

      philosopher 200 BC = inventor 1490 AD = hacker 2011 AD

      one way or the other.

    116. Kondor1
      02-07-2011
      07:38 AM
      116

      well, i did read somewhere that firmware 3.60 will allow saves and all on thier server instead of hard drive. In another note they did say that the future consoles were thought of to be cloud computing. where you don't get a physical copy of the game, but run it off of a server. Consoles were in the future going to be totally discless and the sort.( so back to terminal era but with gaming) I guess this will reduce hardware requirements on the user end. because it will be all server side. Well, at least that will prevent hacking. Might as well be PC online gaming then in my opinion.

    117. mikhael
      02-07-2011
      07:56 AM
      117

      Originally Posted by Kondor1
      well, i did read somewhere that firmware 3.60 will allow saves and all on thier server instead of hard drive. In another note they did say that the future consoles were thought of to be cloud computing. where you don't get a physical copy of the game, but run it off of a server. Consoles were in the future going to be totally discless and the sort.( so back to terminal era but with gaming) I guess this will reduce hardware requirements on the user end. because it will be all server side. Well, at least that will prevent hacking. Might as well be PC online gaming then in my opinion.
      A future very far...
      for that cenario to work...most people have to have a internet connection (+ a good one) and with very very very little of connection problems...
      Like i said...a future very far for now...

    118. malek609
      02-07-2011
      09:06 AM
      118

      Pls refer to 62-4 doc...
      "The term "CIRCUMVENTION DEVICES" refers to any circumvention technology, product, service, method, code, software tool, device, component or part there of that circumvents the technological protection measures ("TPMs") in the PS3 SYSTEM, including but not limited to the Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm Keys, encryption and/or decryption keys, 3.55 Firmware Jailbreak, dePKG Firmware Decrypter, Signing Tools, root keys, and/or FailOverflow tools and/or any other technologies that enable unauthorized access to and/or copying of the PS3 SYSTEM and other copyrighted works that are accessible through or compatible with the PS3 SYSTEM."

      Will i get sue if i put my PS3 into washing machine? Hahahaha..... I can do what ever i want to my PS3... I pay for it...So what the big deal Sony? Even i dunt use HB@JB my warrenty still expired after 12months. If it get broken after 12months i need to pay for the services. Am I right? Get lost looser!!!! Its my PS3 n im not renting from u SOOOONYYYY!!!!

    119. XxRaVeNxX
      02-07-2011
      09:09 AM
      119

      1 2 Sony's coming for you ಥ_ಥ
      3, 4 They'll sue some more
      5 6, no hope of patch or fix
      7, 8 they're gonna litigate.
      9, 10, never hack again...

    120. VideoX
      02-07-2011
      01:46 PM
      120

      Originally Posted by Kondor1
      well, i did read somewhere that firmware 3.60 will allow saves and all on thier server instead of hard drive. In another note they did say that the future consoles were thought of to be cloud computing. where you don't get a physical copy of the game, but run it off of a server. Consoles were in the future going to be totally discless and the sort.( so back to terminal era but with gaming) I guess this will reduce hardware requirements on the user end. because it will be all server side. Well, at least that will prevent hacking. Might as well be PC online gaming then in my opinion.
      Most of the gamers out there (and I'm not talking about casual gamers like the Wii's) like to have the best performance while playing, which is achieved only with 0% lags (the Internet is full of them).

      And most important, gamers want to have a physical copy of the game, the box and the manuals are worth enough. I'm scared that if my PS3's HDD goes bad because of an upcoming OFW release, all my downloaded games will be busted, and I don't have another PS3 to make a backup nor an external HDD. That's why physical media still rules and will be out there for a long, long time.

    121. TehAwesome
      02-07-2011
      02:30 PM
      121

      Your point on if your HDD goes down for whatever reason is invalid. If all games are stored on the server side, it'd be akin to you having a bunch of blizzard games and your PC goes down. Slap in the new/repaired hard drive, connect to service and redownload any games you have already licensed.

      And ninjanutta said it quite well. Even all the haters here still love the PS3 regardless of what they say, or they wouldn't be bashing Sony for 'taking away' their ability to play games.

    122. VideoX
      02-07-2011
      02:45 PM
      122

      Originally Posted by TehAwesome
      Your point on if your HDD goes down for whatever reason is invalid. If all games are stored on the server side, it'd be akin to you having a bunch of blizzard games and your PC goes down. Slap in the new/repaired hard drive, connect to service and redownload any games you have already licensed.

      And ninjanutta said it quite well. Even all the haters here still love the PS3 regardless of what they say, or they wouldn't be bashing Sony for 'taking away' their ability to play games.
      For you to know, some of the games that I have, are shared from my PSN friends, and they have limits to do that. Each downloaded game can be shared up to five times (not five people, not five consoles, five times), if your HDD breaks (which some OFW have done so much times), you have to pay again for what you've already owned; so NO, my point is valid, nothing is better than have the media at home instead of waiting for it to download. Have some thoughts with video and audio streaming and you will see that playing games like that just sucks.

      And quit that stupid things of Blizzard and stuff, PC and consoles are very different and can't be compared, the PC requieres to install the game + configure it, the consoles requieres to put a game + play.

    123. tantan20171
      02-07-2011
      06:33 PM
      123

      @VideoX thanks for the reply with the sources... but don't forget when the ps3 first came out people were able to install linux on their ps3's and now we all lost the benefit of doing that.... other people don't use the ps3 just for gaming.... it's a multifunctional device in which the USAF tried to proof because Sony's advertisment say's IT DOES EVERYTHING... in which now people are upset do to their OFW update of deleting that option and this is why MODIFYIERS not "hackers" wants to bring back to the ps3.... now if people want to PIRATE games than so be it they're more lickely to get banned from PSN but it's unfair to others to use the ps3 as a Computer device.....

    124. art789
      02-07-2011
      06:58 PM
      124

      I say we should all go to geohots and etc.'s trial hearing and when the judge says " Will the defendant please rise", then we ALL stand up and each of us one by one say " I AM A PS3 HACKER, (next person) I AM A PS3 HACKER (next) I AM A PS3 HACKER, etc, etc, until the whole court room is filled with us standing a nd reapeating and chanting "I AM A PS3 HACKER" !!!! lol that would rule.

    125. VideoX
      02-07-2011
      10:59 PM
      125

      Originally Posted by tantan20171
      @VideoX thanks for the reply with the sources... but don't forget when the ps3 first came out people were able to install linux on their ps3's and now we all lost the benefit of doing that.... other people don't use the ps3 just for gaming.... it's a multifunctional device in which the USAF tried to proof because Sony's advertisment say's IT DOES EVERYTHING... in which now people are upset do to their OFW update of deleting that option and this is why MODIFYIERS not "hackers" wants to bring back to the ps3.... now if people want to PIRATE games than so be it they're more lickely to get banned from PSN but it's unfair to others to use the ps3 as a Computer device.....
      Yes, you are right, it's unfair because of the false advertisement. But we have to point the difference between Linux on OFW and CFW. The USAF only used own developed software for Linux on PS3's OFW (and the USAF never needed to update their PS3's because they don't use them to play).

      CFW was achieved by using and modifying Sony's software, and that is one of the reasons behind the trials. The hackers in trial can use the argument of false advertisement and some others, yet we have to make some differences here.

      geohot went through modifying Sony's OFW in order to make CFW and allow the installation and execution of PKG apps. Team fail0verfl0w exploited the security breaches discovered by geohot and themselves in order to execute Linux using AsbestOS, a custom piece of code that can be run in a PS3 ir orden to load Linux.

      geohot can be judged, team fail0verfl0w can't. One used Sony's software and the other run own custom code.

      Anyway, hope Sony wakes up and stop acting like an idiot. If not, PS4, PSP2 and PSPhone will go down by poor sales (Sony had already lost some of the market share in the 7th generation of consoles).

    126. SuperDre
      02-08-2011
      03:45 AM
      126

      Originally Posted by TehAwesome
      Your point on if your HDD goes down for whatever reason is invalid. If all games are stored on the server side, it'd be akin to you having a bunch of blizzard games and your PC goes down. Slap in the new/repaired hard drive, connect to service and redownload any games you have already licensed.
      You forget one thing, what to do if the servers are down (because the company went bankrupt or just stopped), and what if the game is dropped from the servers in like 5-10 years? I still play games on my old atari/snes/sega megadrive/philips G7400 sometimes, but that isn't possible if I didn't own an original cart (unless I go the illegal way and get them from the internet without owning the original). That's already a reason for me to have a physical copy, as some digitalonly content provider have already stopped their servers without you getting your backupcopy..

    127. Fugitive
      02-08-2011
      05:32 AM
      127

      sony is reminding me of that ugly girl in school that you take to one dance cuz ur mom is friends with her mom, so she makes you. then this insecure ugly girl, just wont leave you alone after wards and no matter what, she will do anything to fk up ur day because if she cant have you...nobody can!

    128. Wolfie708
      02-08-2011
      06:10 AM
      128

      Originally Posted by VideoX
      For you to know, some of the games that I have, are shared from my PSN friends, and they have limits to do that. Each downloaded game can be shared up to five times (not five people, not five consoles, five times), if your HDD breaks (which some OFW have done so much times), you have to pay again for what you've already owned; so NO, my point is valid, nothing is better than have the media at home instead of waiting for it to download. Have some thoughts with video and audio streaming and you will see that playing games like that just sucks.

      And quit that stupid things of Blizzard and stuff, PC and consoles are very different and can't be compared, the PC requieres to install the game + configure it, the consoles requieres to put a game + play.
      Just to get this correct...

      If your HDD breaks down you have to pay for the game again? What are you actually paying for, as in my experience with any software that allows multiple users I have always paid for the license to run it regardless of where I obtained the software (ie disc or download).

      Each PS3 has a unique ID when online or it would be impossible to ban them (MAC etc), so in the case of a replaced HDD then for all intents and purposes, the game would be on the same console so to make you pay for the License again is wrong (possibly illegal???). Even MS with Windows Authentification did not try this when they had the silly idea that if you changed too many components of your PC then Windows would not install again on it. They had a free phone number if you reached that point (I did on more than one occasion) where all you did was give them the valid disc code/key and they reactivated it, or gave you a new key.

      I will say that the more I read about how Sony treat their customers the more I am coming to believe that the vast majority of customers are like blind sheep who are taking what Sony say as law. The fact that Sony are automatically taking everyone as guilty before being proven innocent seems to have missed the majorities attention.

      Noone will ever win whilst the majority so blindly lay down and accept being manipulated, but I do give a word of advice to VideoX, if your HDD fails tell Sony to check the MAC etc of the machine you are attempting to reinstall your games on and then tell them that they are bound by contract to give you it for free as you have paid for it already. They have 2 choices then.. Either do as you ask, or say they are assuming you are a thief.

    129. VideoX
      02-08-2011
      08:03 AM
      129

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Just to get this correct...

      If your HDD breaks down you have to pay for the game again? What are you actually paying for, as in my experience with any software that allows multiple users I have always paid for the license to run it regardless of where I obtained the software (ie disc or download).

      Each PS3 has a unique ID when online or it would be impossible to ban them (MAC etc), so in the case of a replaced HDD then for all intents and purposes, the game would be on the same console so to make you pay for the License again is wrong (possibly illegal???). Even MS with Windows Authentification did not try this when they had the silly idea that if you changed too many components of your PC then Windows would not install again on it. They had a free phone number if you reached that point (I did on more than one occasion) where all you did was give them the valid disc code/key and they reactivated it, or gave you a new key.

      I will say that the more I read about how Sony treat their customers the more I am coming to believe that the vast majority of customers are like blind sheep who are taking what Sony say as law. The fact that Sony are automatically taking everyone as guilty before being proven innocent seems to have missed the majorities attention.

      Noone will ever win whilst the majority so blindly lay down and accept being manipulated, but I do give a word of advice to VideoX, if your HDD fails tell Sony to check the MAC etc of the machine you are attempting to reinstall your games on and then tell them that they are bound by contract to give you it for free as you have paid for it already. They have 2 choices then.. Either do as you ask, or say they are assuming you are a thief.
      Don't go in computer jargon, if we have to talk properly, then what we really have when we buy a game is a license to play it.

      And I wasn't saying that the PSN paid games are unavailable to re-download, I was talking about the shared ones, which do are limited to be copied (as I said before, these copies have nothing to do with unique PS3's IDs, MAC addresses, etc.).

      And I'm not going to call Sony because in my country costs a lot of money to call them by phone, and the service's main office is 187 miles away (shipping service that I have to pay, not Sony, besides the service cost itself).

      The console isn't meant to be broken by an update released by Sony, because they don't take care of your machine unless it's under the conditions of the warranty (which for most of us, has expired).

    130. TehAwesome
      02-08-2011
      04:06 PM
      130

      We are talking about two things here.

      First the 'shared' games. Sony isn't obligated to let you share anything you purchase from PSN. I'd consider it a gratuity on their behalf, especially since ideas like that are so few and far between these days. If somebody else paid for it, and THEY are able to re-download it if their system goes down, Sony has kept it's end of the bargain. If you lose your FREE game because the system goes down, tough loss, that sucks, but get over it or pay for it yourself.

      The second thing we are talking about is the future state of games. We aren't talking about 'now', saying effective immediately everything has to be distributed via download, and no physical medium is coming out. We are talking about what developers can do in the future.

      SuperDre, you are absolutely right. Developers, if switched to an online only medium, will really have to take into consideration how they will allow the consumer to continue to play legacy games. Again, much to the chagrin of some, I'll reference Blizzard (since they seem to have a reasonable idea how to run a business). I have registered my CD key for Starcraft 1/Broodwar with battle.net. Mind you, Starcraft is 10 years old, and I can still get it from their servers. Now yes, it has only been 10 years, what happens after 20? That is still something that will have to be taken into consideration. However, if a major company stopped all retail distribution, they would save a fortune on packaging/shipping/etc.. and could put that money directly towards servers specifically geared towards legacy games. Or they get even pay 3rd party companies to host the content, and it'd still be easier to get to then say, getting my hands on an original SNES copy of Chrono Trigger...

      Lets also not forget the physical media is prone to time as well. The internal battery on NES games can die causing you to lose save functionality. Even disc-based media can decay over a long period of time (say 20 years) and possibly lose functionality.

      I'm not saying it's flawless, I'm not saying it's even a good idea- being that I am pro-physical-media, but if that is the way people say the tides are shifting, I say it can be done regardless of how inconvenient and how much of a bad idea it would be.

      Random last thought. Bandwidth caps would be more of a immediate concern of mine (versus longevity) if everything went digital. Then somebody who has a low cap could kill their entire months bandwidth with a single blu-ray game. Because of this, I say if games do go entirely digital, an option to special order a physical copy should stay available for those that want to go that route.

    131. VideoX
      02-08-2011
      05:37 PM
      131

      TehAwsome, it's true that Sony isn't obligated to let me share what I purchase, but if they adopted that marketing strategy to sell better, then they have to stick to it. I didn't choose Microsoft's Xbox because the PS3 had more features and (at that time) better benefits over price.

      Then, if Sony has nothing to do with the "shared" games, we can't even lend a game to a friend, which is impossible since the beginnings of XX Century all the consumers share, trade, lend media formats.

      Still remember when I've bought my PS3, it was the Uncharted bundle, which has of course Uncharted game, and a voucher to download PAIN. Do you have any idea what is to have that two games and some demos to play, until you save enough money to buy a new one?. Believe me, to share games is one of the most traditional things in gaming culture. I've been trading, sharing, lending, selling used games since the NES times and we all enjoyed it and Nintendo wasn't angry or disagree with our actions (and they didn't have a share marketing strategy like Sony does).

      Of course, the physical media has limited life time, but as SuperDre has already pointed before, what will happen if the publisher or the game goes down because of bankruptcy or anything?. Perhaps in the near future, the industry can come up with some new durable and secure physical format, like the one Sony wants to use with the NGP (flash memories are one of the most durable media formats out there).

      Also, as you well pointed out, bandwith caps are a major thing nowadays as the tendency is to make better games, which grow up in size each generation. Still, we have some time until the 8th generation comes up, then we can see if our predictions were right or wrong.

    132. TehAwesome
      02-08-2011
      06:50 PM
      132

      It seems we have reached a common ground, which is a good thing. At this point, I think I can safely say that the vast majority thinks going all digital is a poor idea.

      As for the bankruptcy argument, I have no counter, its a valid argument. Unless you consider that if the company goes bankrupt, their game was probably terrible anyway.

    133. VideoX
      02-08-2011
      07:07 PM
      133

      Originally Posted by TehAwesome
      It seems we have reached a common ground, which is a good thing. At this point, I think I can safely say that the vast majority thinks going all digital is a poor idea.

      As for the bankruptcy argument, I have no counter, its a valid argument. Unless you consider that if the company goes bankrupt, their game was probably terrible anyway.
      It took me some time, but I've finally found the lists of active and defunct game publishers and developers. It's very interesting to remember some of the best studios of the 90's that are now extinct or were absorbed by other studios. Some of the now dead ones, have made the best games of the time (Acclaim and Midway, with the 2D Mortal Kombats, for example), yet some other studios made awful games (Atari with their ET game, remember?).

      Here are the links from Wikipedia, for further reading:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ame_publishers
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ame_developers

    134. ps398632
      02-09-2011
      07:26 PM
      134

      I left a message at HQ I told them how they way that they are treating the consumer is unfair I also left a message for Kazi on his personal box, no threatoning, I had told him how I felt that the Lying CSRS were stating hat there was never an issue with 3.56 and I told him also that I am not updating the PS3 Nor di I ever intend to and I am not interested in the games... I think if we all were to call SCEA at there 650 number an dleave them a message maybe we all will get a repsonse.

      People, I never thaught I would say this... but, I now understand the valid reason you all have for hacking the PS3, I had to learn for my self how evil this entity has be come. Fine, lets give them a security issue, lets see how they like there Stocks become Unsecured, that is to say...its time to see what we can do about affecting an influence on there investors.. any way to do that?

    135. zeveroth
      02-14-2011
      11:56 AM
      135

      When everything is said and done, assuming that Sony loses, I think that the ps3 may be the last console they make. They will be hurting from this fight more than the average person being sued will.

    136. XxRaVeNxX
      02-14-2011
      12:29 PM
      136

      Originally Posted by zeveroth
      When everything is said and done, assuming that Sony loses, I think that the ps3 may be the last console they make. They will be hurting from this fight more than the average person being sued will.


      You can't be this naive? Sony is a multinational conglomerate corporation. They make more than video games and play stations. The only companies that have more money than them is Walt Disney, Time Warner, News Corp. and Viacom.

      Yea, they sure were hurting when the air force was upset when they removed linux, or the original DRM rootkit scandal. Or when Immersion sued them for 82 million and won claiming they infringed with the dual shock controller...

      Come on people don't be so ignorant...

    137. SuperDre
      02-14-2011
      02:05 PM
      137

      Originally Posted by zeveroth
      When everything is said and done, assuming that Sony loses, I think that the ps3 may be the last console they make. They will be hurting from this fight more than the average person being sued will.
      Sony isn't really hurt by doing this, it's only a small group of people that actually hears anything about this, and most of the people that own a PS3 which are gamersonly support what sony is doing.. Remember, you are NOT a regular PS3 gamer/user..