Things are seeming to go from bad to worse in Sony’s image. Just a few hours ago the well known DNS bypass trick has been blocked forcing you to update if you wish to play on PSN (an all other tools/methods). We must wait for the 3.56 CFW if we want to play on PSN again (or update to OFW 3.56).
In further news the Sony vs Geohot case is starting to pickup heat as Sony is now gathering evidence. Sony has demanded that Youtube give up information of Geohot’s youtube account where THIS jailbreak video was originally revealed AND, how many users had accessed the video, the usernames and IP addresses of everyone who viewed/posted/published comments related to the video…meaning this information probably includes YOU. A bit of an overkill don’t you think?
Furthermore, Sony has demanded Twitter to give information related to everyone on the Fail0verflow Team (good luck with that), and take them down as well.
Geohots attorney replied: “The discovery they call for in my opinion is overbroad,” when asked by The Wired.
What are your guys thought on this recent move by Sony? Do you feel they are taking the right tactics to stop hackers? Or are they just ruining there public image more than they need to? Let us know via comments below.
[Click here to view the subpoena for Youtube (PDF)]
Thanks to garyrobsi, and ry31 for news tip
02-08-2011
06:36 PM
WOAH.... this can NOT be legal.....
02-08-2011
06:38 PM
I won't be purchasing any Sony products for along time. Jerks.
02-08-2011
06:38 PM
Looks like my PS3 will remain on until I get a sign out error! :D
02-08-2011
06:39 PM
ah i am going to watch that jailbreak video again
in the meantime, i ll have a look at the views, and laugh while i think about sony requesting those ips XD
02-08-2011
06:40 PM
hmm sony does not want my money anymore is what i think. i was about to buy a new tv from them
to oh well i hear lg makes good tv as well, to think i spent over 10000 on there products last year 
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with sony attacking everyone including there own mother i wont buy another console from them o any other product for that matter, xbox and there faulty hardware no thx, nintendo and the over usage of mario,zelda and few others has got old. this is officially my last console gen now can anybody recommend a high end pc
02-08-2011
06:40 PM
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02-08-2011
06:42 PM
well, this has gone from bad to worse.
Im pretty sure that is a huge invasion of privacy. Why would they need our IP's if they can easily just check our run game data, or whatnot. I think sony is expressing its "legal powers" too much.
But from sony's side, they dont wanna loose money. Sure, geohot didnt release back up running homebrew but others did because of the research geohot did. Their whole game market is the only source of income for sony, they still loose 17 cents a ps3. Sure its not much but if you think about about 17 cents builds up fast.
Anyway, i have other things to do, So i wont be updating
Offtopic: Lol'd at googlehotz.pdf
02-08-2011
06:43 PM
Privacy laws fony
the law doesnt exist just for fony
good luck suing 50% of ur own customers
i am now in the other 50%
i suppose ul ban every 1 who viewed the geohot vid when u get their ip's
hmm better move house !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
rip fony was fun while it lasted
every 1 with fony stock sell sell sell
lets wall street 2 their asses
02-08-2011
06:43 PM
they are jokers,this will never get anywhere,how many million ips do they want to check,lol.man,they are scare tackting,its funny really.any dev who can crack 356 cfw,goto an internet cafe and show them how to play hard ball,release that **** and laugh when they chase round mcdonalds looking for the hacker.come on,anyone with a brain logs onto a public server to release anything remotely illegal,dont they?I would.
02-08-2011
06:44 PM
hum i forgot that they took the video down... oh well! they will not have any money from me! its the end i am going to buy a new samsung tv or LG i am going to buy a next gen machine, its going to be a Microsoft product, my jtag xbox360 never let me down... I don't ****ing care sony will loose most of its Consumers soon, if they start acting like this on every single product they have.
02-08-2011
06:44 PM
This is madness & there will be plenty of upset people 2day or 2night who want there online multiplayer fix! Sony has cut you off short & there will be a lot of people going cold turkey
& untill someone finds ether a way round or crack the new 3.56 fw.... alot of people will be unhappy to here this news!
Im glad i own 2 PS3's!
I will still be online!:aetsch:
02-08-2011
06:44 PM
Sony can only request that the videos be taken off youtube, as for asking for viewers and commenter's info, kinda wrong there.
Go ahead Sony, infringe on my privacy, I'm sure my Canadian government would love to hear about this.
02-08-2011
06:45 PM
if sony succeeds we should definitly think about why we would want to support a company like this.
forcing companies to give sony information like they do right now is just to heavy. we wont let a company get that much influence, right?
dont let us forget that it was SONY'S assignment to make their console "not hackable".
simply: sony's security team is just weak and now george and the failoverflow team have all the problems for just beeing better than them.
in my opinion sony would deserve loosing al lot of customers for that move they made.
02-08-2011
06:46 PM
Sony went from having right to infringing on all of our rights. this could be really bad for Sony
02-08-2011
06:47 PM
Will the proxy trick work or is it blocked im just wondering as it wasnt mentioned or is that one of the tools also? Also this is for SONY:thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger:
02-08-2011
06:49 PM
If the hackers were able to take down apple, sony its a joke 2 them:thefinger:
02-08-2011
06:51 PM
unfortunetly all dns tricks and proxy tools no longer work.
02-08-2011
06:52 PM
does the proxy trick still work?
Edit: ah darn, i guess they dont
02-08-2011
06:52 PM
Look at item 4 of Document requests.
Is this information to be viewed solely by the courts, or will be Sony allowed to view and record it as well?
If the latter then watch out peeps as this court case is now rewriting International laws, and that is Not just me exaggerating.
02-08-2011
06:52 PM
02-08-2011
06:53 PM
NEW UPDATE SONY RELEASED ON February 8th, 2011 (6:00pm Tuesday) PATCHES DNS Numbers Waiting for PS3hax.net to confirm on what to do before doing anything...
:aetsch:
If you have a ton of friends that mod games just like me i sugest you copy this message above and send to all ur friends until then lets hope our famous hacking team is working on getting a CFW for 3.56 ASAP cause i really cant wait till Sony cant keep up with our hacking and having to give up on the Firmware updating so we can hack like no tomorrow.
02-08-2011
06:54 PM
i think we should start uploading all jailbreak/hack videos everywhere and make this is a mess...it's ridiculous....we buy the console and we can do anything we want..it's doesn't say you hired the console..you bought it! It's like selling you a house and because you decided to change the paint, the seller comes and sue you...
YouTube - Ps2 elfs running on Jap 60GB PS3 FW 2.35
btw check my video..it's an old trick i made about 2 years ago...now sony will sue me? F*** $ony
02-08-2011
06:58 PM
I've been sort of championing Sony lately in another thread, saying they are just protecting their investments- but this crosses the line even in that regard.
To request the IP of everybody who viewed the video is ridiculous. On what grounds? They may have JB'd their console? Then while you are at it, hit up google for every IP that searched for hack, hax, ps3, console, jail, break, custom, firmware, firm, ware, and a whole slew of other terms that could possibly relate to jail breaking.
Enough Sony. Go after the devs, I'm fine with that. You are trying to protect your bottom line, and they are the ones responsible for the ripple effect (*Side note- While I say 'go after the devs' I in no way favor anybody being sued, subpeona'd, or drug through the ringer and hope that all of them walk free and continue to do their amazing work for the scene, free from any scare or hassle on behalf of Sony) and leave the 'bystanders' out of this.
02-08-2011
07:02 PM
I think the best thing we could do is tottally skip NGP launch date/pre-orders and if anyone wants something from Sony that much, get it used, I mean seriously somebody should make a post and frontpage it and share it/spread it over all PS3 related sites to make the same post, Sony must understand that we have control on their market not them...
I guess it was about time for us to make a move like that, it's unevitable...
SOMEBODY FRONTPAGE A POST ADVISING EVERYONE TO BOYCOOT NGP'S LAUNCH DATE!
02-08-2011
07:03 PM
02-08-2011
07:07 PM
they're just making things worst for themselves honestly... either way ps3 will be screwed no matter what... sony can sue everyone "try to atleast" but it wont stop people from doing what they want with they're ps3...
lol sony if you sold a lolly pop you would put a ban on the person from eating it...
were buying you crap and cant do anything with it. its got to the point that we cant even turn on the ps3 with out you treatening us with suing bullsh!t
just think about it for a minute sony... ( if you try to sue everyone dont try to make a comeback with your eye candy game consoles when the world of great people "the ones you see as a threat" come to your main head courtiers and shut you down
02-08-2011
07:08 PM
02-08-2011
07:14 PM
Well I never used home brew, and have no interest in backing up my games / playing games illegally so I guess its time for me to give in and update
I only didn't update because I wanted to go against Sony, but I need my PSN now!
02-08-2011
07:16 PM
I said that I'm against their nazi policy and that they keep pi$$ing off their costumers because hackers are also their costumers wether they like it or not.
If we really want this to stop, BECAUSE WE CAN, we should show them that we could cut their legs if we want, if we boycoot the NGP Sony will fail to make in the planned future NGP profittable and this will cause a huge problem in Sony that invested millions on it's project and maybe then they will know who are they messing with...
Come on, everyone of you knows that if we don't give them our money they don't have power, because our money is what gives them power that they use it in the end against us.
I repeat what I said above.
Make a frontpage post advising people to Boycoot Sony's NGP launchdate and any other SCE thing.
02-08-2011
07:20 PM
Take a quick look at the PS3 gaming sites etc and you will see that the vast majority of PS3 users look on us as scum and they would jump off a cliff if Sony said they could get more Trophies at the bottom of it LOL
02-08-2011
07:22 PM
Korean company LG wants Sony's PlayStation 3 and Bravia televisions banned in the US for what it claims are patent infringements relating to Blu-ray playback.
To quote from EuroGamer: "The http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011...nned-from.html contacted Eurogamer to reveal http://www.itcblog.com/wp-content/up...int-4feb11.pdf filed with the US International Trade Commission in Washington relating to the complaint. mThe ITC has the power to block imports of products that violate US patents.
LG claims Sony is infringing four of its patents in a complaint that broadly relates to "certain electronic devices having a Blu-Ray Disc player and components thereof", but the PlayStation 3 (Model No. CECH-2501A) is the only Sony product to be specifically named in the main document of the complaint.
A http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...ystations.html reports suggests LG's claims are revenge for cases brought against it by Sony in December. Sony claims the Seoul-based company is infringing seven of its patents relating to LG phones. Sony has also filed a civil lawsuit against LG Blu-ray players.
LG and Sony are the world's second- and third-largest TV makers, trailing Samsung."
WHEN U SELL UR FONY STOCK BUY LG
DOES ANY ONE AT LG WANT TO MAKE A REAL HOME COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM
and feel free to put a LG home button on the controller
02-08-2011
07:23 PM
so just by watching that youtube vid, sony can send an IP ban to my ISP?????
I'm sorry but sony are just going overboard now.
02-08-2011
07:24 PM
Weak. You're breaking my balls Sony. But I'm confident within a couple weeks (at most) we will see this bypassed. Still strange how I'm getting a couple of the updates for games and stuff on the XMB though.
I wouldn't upgrade to the 3.56 OFW just yet personally. I can deal without having PSN for now. It's not like I even use it since I'm not much of a gamer, or even playing online. But with the possibility of somewhat downgrading, on the "undowngradeable" 3.55 update, anything can be done now.
I'm expecting a new exploit on tricking the system to think it's a legit OFW from a different console. But I'm new to the scene, so I'll just have to see where it goes. But what does the error code (X8002A212) mean when I try to access the PS Home browser. I've looked it up on Sony's support page, but with no luck. This doesn't mean the system is banned I hope
02-08-2011
07:30 PM
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02-08-2011
07:34 PM
Ok everyone i would like to throw in my "two" cents its taking money out of sonys pockets they can TRY to do what ever the **** they wanna do obviously their extremely profitable console has been hacked. what else do you expect them to do. Every other company didnt do anything sony to me has grew balls and is not ****in around with hackers anymore but hey **** happends.
02-08-2011
07:35 PM
IM Boycotting Sony,it's on now!
02-08-2011
07:35 PM
Tabarnack d'osti de gang de crosseur qui aille chier Sony sont déja multimilliardaire qu'es-ce que sa peut bin chrisé qu'une gang underground partage des connaissances sur leur consoles !!! This my two cents from a French Quebecois
02-08-2011
07:36 PM
Let's just accept the ridiculous possibility that sony gets all those millions of IPs and info about viewers, then what? They're going to sue the whole world?
How can a company attack the people that actually buys/bought for so many time their consoles, games, TVs, Laptops, and many other products, they're overestimating our taste for their products.
02-08-2011
07:43 PM
We can change history if we spread that kind of bοycoot petition around sites and unfortunatelly to Sony nobody can get sued for Boycooting advising it's protected by laws of Amnesty International.(The same happened with other products successfully and since then all trouble stopped.)
Who's gonna help making a site/post that we sign on Boycooting SCEI products?
PS: Is it just me or Sony gives us everyday more reasons on becoming 360 fanboys? XD (Undusts XBOX360)
02-08-2011
07:44 PM
Removal of services, forced updates to play a game either online or offline, and not forgetting the facts that they have always charged for repairs which if faulty within a certain time scale, they are legally obidged to revtify at zero cost.
They have been p*ssing on everyone and not even having the courtesy of calling it rain from day one.
02-08-2011
07:48 PM
My console, not stolen, i can do what i please and thers fxxx all sony can do about i!!! Getting ips from youtube is all bull****!!! Im from the uk, and no one is allowed to share any sort of private and confidential details so screw you sony!
02-08-2011
07:50 PM
Those were the words i was looking for everything you say i agree with.
02-08-2011
07:51 PM
If Sony win then the laws Will be changed and that benefits Every console manufacturer world wide. Why do you think they have been so adammant about where the case is held and why other departments of Sony are keeping quiet? The laws in the US Are weighted more in Sony's favour (sadly) than the UK for example (get the idea I have been ferreting about a bit? lol), but if they win in US, then regardless of where else in the world we are, we will be oblidged to comply with them.
02-08-2011
07:51 PM
This is getting utterly rediculous, your going to try and prosecute people for using an exploit and watching a video! F#$% $ony! Not even M$ is this overboard and thats saying something! :thefinger:
02-08-2011
07:51 PM
sony is screwed if they keep this up. i give it 1-3 years that sony will have no choice but to give up or they will be in great debt of customers.
customers shouldnt have a scare put on them just for taking any part in to making their products even better... if anything they should be thanking us customers then they do then just getting money from us...
02-08-2011
07:52 PM
2 people in!
Come on people, let me see you jump in, SERIOUSLY!
02-08-2011
07:53 PM
02-08-2011
07:54 PM
couldn't i technically take legal actions against them for invading my privacy? by forcing youtube to give up information without probable cause against me
not that i will don't really know legal stuff all that well or have the money
02-08-2011
07:55 PM
02-08-2011
07:55 PM
They cant do nothing through youtube thats the silliest thing ive ever heard heard lmaoooooo
as far as this goes we will have to live without psn for a while
untill it is cracked again and again
backup games are still working
02-08-2011
07:55 PM
Nice sony, just ban my ps3 cause i watched a video on youtube....ahahahaha
very lame... now i think that youtube wont give u shiit cause by doin that they are violating their "privacy agreement". Just one advice, stop makin a fool of yorselfs, try to show some dignity and leave people alone.... remember the comercial laws? the customer always has the reason on hes side.... if i would buy a condom from a company she will not tell me how they want me to use it... i use how and when i want it, same happens with my ps3 and yeah i watch a lots of videos from the hacking community... just 1 last "word" GTFO
02-08-2011
07:56 PM
Is this still the SCEA trying to do all of this, or is this actually Sony?
02-08-2011
07:57 PM
02-08-2011
07:58 PM
best part of it all is it cost sony MONIES to prevent this, not gona look good in their accounts is it
02-08-2011
07:58 PM
I know this may be dumb, but by just watching a video, I could get arrested?
02-08-2011
08:00 PM
i watched a video about how to stab someone oooooh does that make me a murderer now, who ever believes this is very STUPID
02-08-2011
08:00 PM
02-08-2011
08:01 PM
02-08-2011
08:01 PM
Then dont buy sony products anymore. Threatening them the way they threatening us. THINK HARDER! Look at Egypt and they fight back and wont stop. Why not do the same ? Dont buy SONY PRODUCTS! Spread your friends and families.
02-08-2011
08:03 PM
02-08-2011
08:03 PM
Sony is sooo silly, a company that just repeats history...
I mean really how stupids they must be, their IQ must be a singe digit one.
With this scandal I remembered about the rootkit in 3.56, which made me laugh for doing such a move after that HUUUUGE SCANDAL that I still remember:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BM...ootkit_scandal
Sony doesn't want to get on court losing again a case about rootkeys, they should better get rid of it sillently ASAP...
Also, don't forget...
BOYCOOT SONY, I happy that some of you get my point!
02-08-2011
08:03 PM
LOL Sony you can have the IP addresses of millions of viewers? Even with them, what the hell are you gonna do? Sue those millions of viewers? Good luck with that.
02-08-2011
08:03 PM
I know Sony have got rights as at the end of the day they are the company that made the PS3!!! So they have got the rights to keep there system keys or anything what as got to do in programming the PS3.
I do feel sorry for Sony as they are losing money fast all by hackers messing about with there programming. Making everybody to hack there PS3's so they can play backup games and do things what it was never made to do.
If it was not for Sony at the start we will never have had the PS3 to play on. So look at it this way. Sony has done a good thing.
If this war keep going on any more. I say Sony will give up on the console making business as.
1) They are loseing money by everyone who like hacking. Downloading games.
2) PS3 breaks by hacking. I bet it cost Sony money to make the parts for every fix they do.
3) People be moving off the PS3 and Sony for GOOD.
4) People be only using PS3 to play backups and not go online to buy stuff.
I do feel sorry for Sony and all there hard work in making the PS3. Like what i put it was Sony that made it and Sony for the top game playing.
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But at the same time why not hack your PS3?
Deep down if you own a PS3 it's yours and you can do what ever you want to do with it.
Not saying play backup games like what people do anyway.
But make it more powerful then what it is!!!
Play homebrew games and emulators. All the old school games that use to be on the old Nes and sNes.
Why not?
At the end of the day you can not win on both sides as Sony as got rights and hackers as got rights not to make Sony go out of business but to make the freedom of playing with something as good by Sony.
02-08-2011
08:05 PM
bottom line is everythink these days can be hacked, bank accounts, mobiles, networks
the list goes on
if a person can make the code, sure a person can crack it.
sony will do everything they can to prevent this hacking but by no means will hey ban ur console as it will breach a lot of sh*t
nways good nyt SONY
02-08-2011
08:06 PM
02-08-2011
08:07 PM
02-08-2011
08:07 PM
With Google being involved, I highly doubt they won't fight back at this. Google won the Viacom case against them, and bigger/more powerful companies such as Disney, NBC Universal and Time Warner were in that. Sony can buy out the judges, but Google, as an equally powerful company, can call them out on such.
02-08-2011
08:10 PM
and so you know the ps3 should be treated like a computer,cause that is what it is... how would you feel if microsoft only allowed windows in your machine and microsoft products, really great huh -.-'
02-08-2011
08:10 PM
its all a big joke :aetsch:
everyone
sony can :thefinger: they will not be able to
they know this better then anyone their lawyers just love the money they will get chasing ghosts and new ones will keep commin they will write off it all as expense. as soon as the share falls the board room will rule to :thefinger: the whole pursuit.!!!
02-08-2011
08:14 PM
02-08-2011
08:17 PM
The only purpose they can use this information for in the current case is to show how much interest there has been in Mr Hotz's 'hack', but this all revolves around what I said earlier...... Just what will the US courts do or allow????
02-08-2011
08:21 PM
Sony will get what they want and people can cry and complain and threaten to boycott. It wont hurt Sony one bit. If everybody on every hack site never bought another Sony product, it wouldnt bother them one bit.
The general public doesnt know or care about the ps3 or if its been hacked or this case. They will still buy Ps3s, TVs, Blu Ray players and Vaios that keep Sony in the game.
02-08-2011
08:25 PM
02-08-2011
08:26 PM
02-08-2011
08:26 PM
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02-08-2011
08:28 PM
This is just getting ridiculous... and I thought Apple went too far in the whole iPhone 4G incident. I just hope that Twitter and Youtube won't blatantly hand out the information so Sony can have the pleasure of getting their request denied in court. I have modified many PS3 consoles and will continue to do so and exercise my rights as a consumer of the hardware.
02-08-2011
08:31 PM
Just because you watch a vid on hacking doesn't mean you hacked. Same with watching movie with violence and so forth. LOL, good luck Sony...
02-08-2011
08:32 PM
The PS3 Scene is slowly dying guys
but on top of that Sony sues the hackers
Not only the 3.56 looks unbreakable (so far) when GeoHot pretended that the PS3 was "hacked for good"
02-08-2011
08:37 PM
Topic poster. At least PLEASE TRY TO get the title right. It really isn't that hard, even for a dyslexic to get "Geohot" correctly.
And btw, someone forgot to close a HTML tag (">" appears top left).
02-08-2011
08:38 PM
I don't play online or use mods in games as I play for fun and fun only, but I do think you are wrong in saying Sony do not care, because if nothing else, their shareholders see Any loss of profit as a bad thing.
02-08-2011
08:42 PM
Instructions from $ony to P$3 sales persons.
You should ask the following questions to your customers.
1. Do you ever heard of 'GeoHot/Kakaroto/Kmeaw/Wanikoko' etc?
2. Do you ever watch any video in Youtube?
3. Do you ever heard of words like 'hack', 'hax' , 'JB', 'Jailbreak', 'CFW' etc?
4. Do you ever use internet?
and finally
5. Do you have any plan to use this P$3 console?
If your answer is 'Yes' for any of the above questions you are not eligible to buy a P$3 con$ole, rather the sale person should dial '911'.. :aetsch::aetsch::aetsch:
02-08-2011
08:46 PM
Sony, we ain't Bleem! sĺ you can't take us out as easy by just suing us, if you snap out of your so called "no hacking imagination land" you will see the truth, and that being = the more you fight against this, the more it will **** you up!.
Besides, since the hack you have been selling far more consoles then you ever would have if it wasn't hacked.
(hope sony ppl read this)
WOOOOT! :D
02-08-2011
08:56 PM
So many replies. I think alot of people are just getting scared that something might happen to them, so they start saying Sony are stupid, out of order and shouldn't be allowed to do this etc.
I respect Sony. They're stopping Piracy on the PS3 (Yes, almost all of you posting here use Homebrew for this purpose) and trying to keep their product hacked free, for the original purpose it was intended for. The ways they're going about it are rough and 'could' be beyond the books but I think I would do the same if it was my product that I designed and/or made.
Rather, perhaps the hacking community (or leechers) are just so laxed until now is because neither Nintendo nor Microsoft took these measures before. Though hey, no point in me as you would say 'preaching' because ignorant people won't see both sides of the point. I do understand that people don't want their privacy being divulged but you should have known what you was getting into when you did what you did.
I'm not going to reply anymore but I'll still read comments. Perhaps someone will give a good opinion about the situation which puts both parties views into account.
I don't hate or love Sony but I respect them.
02-08-2011
09:01 PM
Someone should start a petition and send it to the case's judge or a protection group like EFF stating how we don't condone Sony's recent actions and that something more than what's happening now needs to be done or something along those lines. If anyone has any legal backround that would be willing to create one, I would sign.
02-08-2011
09:02 PM
Just because you watch a vid on hacking doesn't mean you hacked. Same with watching movie with violence and so forth. LOL, good luck Sony...
This isnt the way there headed. They want ips for the simple reason to look into those offenders who download copywritten material via your isp's to have those people reported and prosecuted for obtaining said materials. Of course i think this would pertain to people who have grossly abused piracy law. Unfortunate, but i believe to be true. No they wont prosecute thousands but a few in my opinion to set example.
02-08-2011
09:05 PM
02-08-2011
09:05 PM
I just don't understand all of this stuff. I mean, how can Sony do all that is doing if FailOverFlow told them the Console is hacked and there's nothing they could ever do because they have the MASTER KEYS!!! They also said the only way Sony could fix this is if they changed out hardware. So Sony with all these firmware updates can always stop the hacking if you update to OFW. So how can we stop all this, keep our homebrew, backups, PSN access without ever updating to OFW if we OWN THE CONSOLE AS HACKERS SAID (FOF), If you've hacked something beyond repair by software updates then the system is truly blown wide open for hacking and continuous updates. COME ON DEVS LETS GET THIS PARTY STARTED!!! LET US HAVE OUR CAKE AND EAT IT TO!!!!
02-08-2011
09:17 PM
Hey why not go the whole hog and get underaged Taiwanese call girls to hand out the documents,that might make Sonys image a little worse,that is what they are determined to do right?!
But i suppose thats a whole different "being served" (sorry!).
02-08-2011
09:30 PM
Basicly, the Sony apps had another key we didn't know about and none of ore Homebrew apps had. Now the PS3 checks for that newly discovered key too but since our Homebrew apps are missing this other key, it doesn't pass the validity test.
02-08-2011
09:32 PM
IF SONY JUST STOPPED PUTTING UP ROAD-BLOCKS EVERYWHERE WE TURNED, I THINK IT WOULD PAY ($$$$$$$) OFF FOR THEM, IN THE LONG RUN.
I JUST PURCHASED 2 50 DOLLAR PSN GIFT CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW I CAN'T GO ONLINE (well i could, but now i refuse to)
LEAVE US ALONE AND U WILL MAKE MORE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!
I THINK THEY SHOULD: - BRING BACK, OTHER OS
- ALLOW HOMEBREW
- LET THE GAME DEVELOPERS WORRY ABOUT ONLINE ACCESS, FOR INSTANCE EA SPORTS REQUIRES U TO PURCHASE AN ONLINE PASS.....IF THEY DONE ALL THIS, I THINK SONY WOULD GET RICH *****!! (RICHER)
02-08-2011
09:35 PM
Well sony went overboard now but face it its their own right to protect a system they created i hate how people say they will not buy products from them again i dont think most of guys are here for pirating and some for homebrew! what are pcs made for! well dont worry yea i am here for homebrew and pirating sometimes but i never complained that much .. i dont actually know if i was in their place what i would have done but if they release a ps4 i will buy it IDC if it is secure i will just pay alot of money on games... na i wont buy a game for more than 60 bucks i wonder with the ps4 games will reach which price point
02-08-2011
09:38 PM
SCEA Consumer Services
Discussion Thread
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Customer By Web Form - 02/08/2011 06:13 AM
If i purchase a new ps3 from bestbuy. Have them bring it out and setup the
system via thier optional plan. If they clicked through all the EULA. Since i
dont get a chance to agree or accept it, am i bound to the EULA. I figured I
would ask since they are a Sony Licensed reseller of yours. Oh ..and if someone opens the box, doesnt accept, are they subject to the restocking fees? Must you have the newest firmware to play the newest games offline?
Question Reference #110208-000129
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Product Level 1: PS3™ system
Product Level 2: Install & Setup
Category Level 1: System Software Update
Date Created: 02/08/2011 06:13 AM
Last Updated: 02/08/2011 06:13 AM
Response Via Email (Sarah E.) 02/08/2011 03:16 PM
Hello <ommitting my name>,
Thank you for contacting us regarding the EULA , restocking fees, and offline gaming on your PlayStation(R)3 computer entertainment system. First, you purchased the PlayStation 3 and if you allow someone other than yourself to accept the Terms and Conditions for you, then you are still bound by the EULA. Second, If you open the box and do not accept the EULA and want to return the PlayStation 3 it would be up to the retailers policy as to the restocking fees. Third, if you do not wish to accept the EULA you can still play games offline as long as they do not require an update. If the game requires an update you may be asked to accept the EULA at the time of the update.
I hope this information has been helpful. I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to assist you. If you have any further questions and/or concerns regarding this or any other issue you may have with any PlayStation®product please, email us again.
Regards,
Sarah E.
02-08-2011
09:39 PM
02-08-2011
09:43 PM
SCEA Consumer Services
Discussion Thread
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Customer By Web Form - 02/08/2011 05:55 AM
I was told that when updating my old ps3, (at firmware 2.76) that if i update to
the newest firmware 3.56 that "OtherOS" will no longer work. I currently have
YellowDogLinux installed and use this. Does it state in the newest firmware that
this feature has been removed?.... when?... I currently have the 60gb launch
model and play PS2 and PS1 games as well. Will this affect this too? I was told
that backwards compatibility was taken out in future firmware revisions.
......Is this true or is my friend yanking my chain? Please let me know. It has
been quite some time at playing games and i would like to get back into the
swing of things with the new games.
Question Reference #110208-000118
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Product Level 1: PS3™ system
Product Level 2: Install & Setup
Category Level 1: System Software Update
Date Created: 02/08/2011 05:55 AM
Last Updated: 02/08/2011 05:55 AM
Status: New
Response Via Email (Sarah E.) 02/08/2011 02:38 PM
Hello <ommitting my name>,
Thank you for contacting us regarding using another OS on your PlayStation(R)3 computer entertainment system and the backwards compatibility being removed with the software update. If your PlayStation 3 is backwards compatible the system software update will not remove this feature. In regards to the other OS With System Software 3.21 and greater, "Install other OS" feature has been deleted. This feature was previously available on the PlayStation 3 prior to the current slimmer models which launched in September 2009. This feature enabled users to install an operating system, but due to security concerns, this feature has been removed through system software 3.21.
***Notice for customers who are using another operating system***
Before performing the system software update, follow the steps below:
Back up data from the other operating system
If you install the system software update, you will not be able to use the hard disk partitions used by the other operating system. The data saved in these partitions cannot be restored after the system software has been updated. Back up all data to storage media before updating the system software.
I hope this information has been helpful. I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to assist you. If you have any further questions and/or concerns regarding this or any other issue you may have with any PlayStation®product please, email us again.
Regards,
Sarah E.
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02-08-2011
09:43 PM
02-08-2011
09:45 PM
B*llocks
They are obligated to notify you of any and all agreements (upon request) prior to purchase and you can request the agreement in any durable form you so choose, ie paper or disc. Of course I am talking about UK here, so it may stand differemtly with SCEA
EDIT.. Regardless of location it is an agreement, and any agreement must be reached prior to exchange of goods or monies. This does cover software as well even Windows for example.
Basically, until we are fully informed, no valid agreement can be reached so they have no chance making the restocking fee hold water.
02-08-2011
09:54 PM
the best way to shut sony up is for someone to release a 3.56 cfw.
hackers need to be smart like github and move their sources outside US LAWS, or just away from sony laws.
it would mean we can finally have complete control.
02-08-2011
09:57 PM
Well, all I can say is good luck with that. nobody who tried couldnt control the net. You simply cannot. As for their image, I don't think average joes cares about all that hacking stuff IMHO, neither they care about CFW, most folks wanna play online and enjoy their vaio win7 without too many glitches.
as for us, well... KEYS! hahah
have a nice day everyone
02-08-2011
10:20 PM
pwrshft99 - 02-08-2011 08:21 PM
Sony will get what they want and people can cry and complain and threaten to boycott. It wont hurt
Sony one bit. If everybody on every hack site never bought another Sony product, it wouldnt bother
them one bit.
The general public doesnt know or care about the ps3 or if its been hacked or this case. They will still buy Ps3s, TVs, Blu Ray players and Vaios that keep Sony in the game.
are you serious you bell end do you know how much they got to earn to make a profit on next gen console going on the reports that the ngp cost to make and to buy plus all the money they are throwing away on courts and other **** do you really think they can just throw away customers so easily it may not bankrupt them but it will hurt there buttom line and that a hard loss to take for any company and one more thing you remenber how long it took sony to get a profit on the ps3 and the ngp cost a lot more than the ps3 to design and make and there is a lot of ps3 jailbreakers out there and more coming every day thanks to sony and you think it wont hurt them, you must live in a dream world or you work for sony its the same thing
02-08-2011
10:21 PM
as far as i know the rules floating around on the internet,
the login info and anything related to the account cannot be given to any third party under any situations, if they do so youtube and twitter be ready to be sued by as many number of people that they cant even imagine for breaking the law & this law states for almost every country.:aetsch:
Even if they secretly provide the info sony cant sue us based on those evidences and they might just ban us based on IP but we all know how to change or spoof our IP. :thefinger:
02-08-2011
10:25 PM
On the bright side, as least piracy should go down a bit and COD games might start being playable again
02-08-2011
10:27 PM
Grr they can try to control it all like nazi's and in the end they will fail like their counterparts did... though this is all bad, I was still signed till 5 minutes ago w/dns...
I tried to play play black ops zombies online (with disc), got an error when looking for servers (wonder why) but then system froze when tried to quit game, had to force a restart.. after keeping it powered on for two weeks fearing this.. its all gone.. Had fun while it lasted though.
02-08-2011
10:28 PM
02-08-2011
10:30 PM
02-08-2011
10:38 PM
we are all free to think and write/talk. people has the right to know what's happening....Is sony attacking all social networks? well, we have to use social network to fight back sony! sony is really tring to infringe our privacy (i use this word but i don't even know what it means).let's go writing something on sony's wall on twitter or facebook! this forum where we talk, read news, ask for help is a "little community". The normal consumer is ignoring what's really happening. this forum is not a direct attack to sony. using a social network could be a good attack... the worst thing for a trade company is bad advertisment. and i think that we can fight the system using a non-conventional press. I live in Italy and i din't notice about sony against geohot on tv news or newspapers. let's fight back scea straight in their buildings!
I'm free, we're all free.:thefinger:
02-08-2011
10:48 PM
I miss the old times... by now Sony would had their sites attacked, displaying messages like "we love geohot", databases messed up... Sigh.
02-08-2011
10:58 PM
ITS ON NOW
LETS DDOS ~SONY~
02-08-2011
11:10 PM
i think what im going to do is turn wifi on, make a hole behind my ps3 and stick my D**K in it and hope they can see it because thats all they getting from me!:thefinger:
big F- for sony for trying to be the boss ........ there can only be one boss and thats SNAKE!!!!!!
02-08-2011
11:15 PM
ok this is going far too long. sony, give it up. you know you don't have a chance getting people's ips LOL.
02-08-2011
11:21 PM
okay so I have made up my mind, I hope 3.56 is not jailbreakable and the ps3 is back to being secure! Then maybe sony can release 3.57 and actually start adding new features again instead of removing them.
Thanks to hackers the PS3 is going DOWN! If geohot didn't open his ****ing mouth and say he was messing around in otherOS that would still be there along with a million more features.
Really Hackers made the ps3 what it is today, and sony is just over exaggerating and ****ing it up more..
02-08-2011
11:27 PM
okay so I have made up my mind, I hope 3.56 is not jailbreakable and the ps3 is back to being secure! Then maybe sony can release 3.57 and actually start adding new features again instead of removing them.
Thanks to hackers the PS3 is going DOWN! If geohot didn't open his ****ing mouth and say he was messing around in otherOS that would still be there along with a million more features.
Really Hackers made the ps3 what it is today, and sony is just over exaggerating and ****ing it up more..
QQ
02-08-2011
11:29 PM
now its our turn
02-08-2011
11:31 PM
@ chefcrank
Idiots like you are plenty. Sony didn't add ANY USEFUL Features whatsoever when PS3 was not hacked in fact they took away features such as the Other OS you dumb ass...there is no reason sony can't add new features just cause people have hacked the ps3..there is no relationship here..think b4 you type dumb ****
02-08-2011
11:33 PM
As for what they are doing, it may seem a little overboard, but they won't be doing anything to hurt us. Of course, a site like this is made to get people riled up, so it sounds worse on here than it really is. Your IP is not private information and your username isn't either. That is all Sony is wanting, which like many have stated earlier, they can't do anything with these documents other than use them in the court case.
Also, to everyone saying they are boycotting Sony, they could careless since hackers are a minority. What is a couple thousand spoiled brats to Sony other than just a bunch of people on a website? "lololol $ony, you suck, we will always win" is the most common comment on here now. All that most of you guys on here care about is cheating online and getting free games. Sony wouldn't have cared that much if all that happened was a couple emulators came out, but no. The majority of the apps for Jailbroken PS3s has to be "backup" launchers. How would you feel if you owned a game company and couldn't make money because a bunch of teenagers who know how to read a tutorial online were stealing what you made?
02-08-2011
11:34 PM
Hurry Up with the 3.56 cfw....... SONY sUxx
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02-08-2011
11:35 PM
With sony pulling all this, i can only hope the devs get found not guilty so they can band together and rape the psp2 when it releases.
02-08-2011
11:44 PM
By law Twitter nore Youtube can give out personal information to someone that just 'asks' for it. A judge will have to allow that to happen before sony gets any information off of any of the related websites.
All-in-All Sony is WAY over their heads with everything they have been trying to do eversince they got their hands on geohot.
Are they going to go over to hongkong and ask the JB Device managers to stop producing JB Devices? They can try but believe me, They won't get far!
As for wanting to get IP's, How many people have a dynamic address? A bloody lot if you ask me, So even if they do get IPs and decide to ban people that have only 'viewed' a video or have been following geohot or F0F could 'possibly' get banned even though they haven't done anything to effect the PS3.
I vote 'Sony has let their image fall in a 6ft hole', Their reputation for customer service has gone through a waste dispenser.
I use CFW and the 3rd applications to my own use and advantage over the PS3 and to meet it's capability. It has been proven the PS3 offers more than what it was originally capable when it first got released. And for sony to captain the law is something words cant explain.
02-08-2011
11:44 PM
If the assclowns at SONY would have just kept backwards compatibilty and otherOS then maybe hackers would not have gone as far as they did but SONY thinks its good PR to take away things and in return give the customer nothing in return unless you call crappy 3D something but to get that you gotta buy a $2000.00 dollar tv and i doubt alot of people can afford to go there and the fact that the ps3 web browser hasen't been updated since the release of the first ps3 and they have a crappy customer service so the only thing left is to ask why not hack my ps3 and get some really good apps and tools so unless you worship SONY i say go for it because SONY will realize they F#%KED UP by NOT listening to the people that made SONY what it is today and STOP letting there wallets do the thinking :aetsch: :aetsch: :aetsch: :aetsch: :aetsch: :aetsch: :aetsch: :aetsch:
02-08-2011
11:46 PM
do you people not remember when you sign up for PSN you have to put in your street adress and stuff?m
:/
02-08-2011
11:50 PM
tava tao legal jogar , agora pediu pra atualizar 3,56, espero que saia um updat logo.xd
02-09-2011
12:10 AM
02-09-2011
12:20 AM
wait. so sony is saying theyre gonna find my ip address to my Router/modem that i connect my ps3 to the internet ? if so thats an epic fail. for one i can change the ip on my router. if not then ill just buy another one. sony wtf is going on with you.
:aetsch::thefinger:
02-09-2011
12:36 AM
Changing your router won't do a thing. That's like switching welcome mats to try and change your home address.
02-09-2011
12:59 AM
02-09-2011
02:32 AM
Everyone should believe that sony will try to invade everyones privacy to subpoena each individual hacker, and to see if they have pirated games. Its a 250,000 dollar fine and a maximum of 5 years in jail. You should believe that they will try and make an example of thousands of people who use their own leased systems against them. BUT, they are stupid angering the world. All the game websites are demonizing them. Not just hack sites, but major game sites. They throw words like leased consoles out. That legislation will be brought up and the Judicial System will make jailbreaking a console advertised as a computer, or as sony should put it "our leased system that can do everything except what doesnt make us money", legal. If sony implemented their hardware to do the things hackers hack it for. Their wouldnt be this problem right now. Its a simple argument. Are these hackers responsible for a pirate? Is a gun seller responsible for the family that gets slaughtered 4 months later. Is a car dealer responsible for selling a car to the person who killed another driver while drunk. When we buy a playstation we possess everything inside except the playstation name and design. You can buy a chevy truck and upgrade it to perform better. And you can also install nos that will never be street legal but you cant turn around and start making chevy trucks and label yourself a chevy manufacturer. So why cant I hack a ps3, and distribute code that is on the system when I bought It. This is not going to be a lawsuit sony will win without controversy.
02-09-2011
02:34 AM
02-09-2011
03:00 AM
I have to say, lol @ the people riding sony's **** back when the ps3 first came out but are now saying "**** psn, i'll just get a 360 and go on live".
02-09-2011
04:11 AM
sony wins yesss hackers lose again :thefinger::aetsch:
scene is dead
02-09-2011
04:26 AM
http://community.eu.playstation.com/
may be more to your taste
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02-09-2011
05:13 AM
**** $ony..vamos the hackers all the way
02-09-2011
05:21 AM
This is all just stupid, People your all doing exactly what Sony want.....
Your panicing, scare mongering, reading things into this that aren't actually there. This is exactly how a Dictatorship works, place the seeds of fear, attack a few of the weaker population and the rest of the populus will fall into line....
Like all Dictatorships, Sony will (have) overstep the mark, get the attention of the free thinking people and so will begin their downfall....
They can try and tell us what we can and can not do with their system, that's one battle that may or may not be legitimate...
But they can't tell us what we will do with sytems they don't have a vested interest in, for example my PC.....If I wan't to go to YouTube and watch and leave a comment about a Sony product with MY PC, what can they do ? So what if I watched Geo's vid, so what if I commented on it, Sony can not prove that as a result I installed a CFW...
Who do they think they are trying to tell me what I can and can not do with my PC/internet equipped system by using these kind of scare tactics, what site's I can and can not visit, what media I will and will not watch, what I will or will not write in an open forum/video response.
So this is what I think...Your all getting mad, upset and some even scared over nothing...Sony can't get away with telling us what we can or can not do with our internet equipped systems...we need to stop doing their job for them with all the panicing etc, wait and see what they intend to do with this info, if they can even get it !!
I for one will do whatever I want with my PC, Smart Phone and any other internet equipped system I have, If I want to watch a vid about the PS3 on YouTube and leave a comment, I bloody well will, let Sony prove that just by me doing that I am in breach of any EULA,TOS etc....:thefinger:
Come on people don't get stupid, leave them, let them get on with it, they are hurting no one but themselves, as sales in all their products will start to show....
And for those who think that a few Hackers/CFW/HomeBrew users can't impact on Sony's sales then think on this:- Would I now buy another Sony Product...No, will I advise friends family to buy Sony products....No, and the more Sony chuck S**T around the more people they'll hit, like the completely innocent people that just watched Geo's vid to see what the fuss was about, who have now been left scared (back to my Dictatorship theory) they'll think twice. This will be a PR disaster if they carry on, and it will take them years to rebuild their reputation. Word of mouth is a powerful tool..!!!
Sony are doing nothing but sinking themselves, and the men at the top have gone totally power crazy, and like all mad men, they will push to far and eventually crumble....RIP SONY.....
02-09-2011
05:36 AM
I wonder. aren't canadian residents technically protected from this?
02-09-2011
05:44 AM
Seems to me this is a major loss for $ONY with all the comments "well that's up, time for some live" and seems that this is a major boost for the competition
(M$). $ony needs to start a revolution and harden the F*** up, the console isn't making them any money so why stop people going on P$N and buying S*** off it. aaaaaaagggghhhhhh....... Live anyone????
02-09-2011
05:55 AM
i got a noob question: well...you can't log in without updating to ofw 3.56..right? So that means that you can't ''interact'' with the psn.But when you try to recover your password(''Forgot your password''),then it doesen't ask you to update to 3.56....right?...
My question is: can't we (they,the hackers) make some kind of bridge to that,some kind of bug that is send with the informations like: when we want to recover our password(birth of date,secret question etc.)?
02-09-2011
05:56 AM
if this is true, i am done with sony. and also if youtube (google) or others give sony information about me, then i am also done with them, and i will destroy my ps3 and my android device. they are completely retarded.
02-09-2011
05:58 AM
So does that mean that we can get prosecuted?
02-09-2011
06:07 AM
Sony have no respect for anyones privacy, or the law itself. If they dont care about either, why should the end user? Get your ddos tools ready, its time to bring sony to its knees.
Use the proxy trick (even though it doesnt work) and get the links the playstation connects to. do a traceroute on those links and get the origin. Ping flood the origin till the psn is no more!!!
Sony want trouble... So give it to them!!!
(btw this act is very illegal, so I wouldnt actually do it, but wouldnt it be nice to get em where it hurts....)
02-09-2011
06:17 AM
yeah, that would be awesome, sony can suck my little wiener.
02-09-2011
06:50 AM
HAHAHHAHAH That's the funniest thing I ever heard!
Sony can't sue anyone for only watching a freakin youtube video. This is bull****!
02-09-2011
06:50 AM
For my IP: I have worked at my ISP and they will change my IP if I complain I am being stalked. So if I have to complain to my ISP Sony is stalking me I have a new IP in no time. Otherwise there is also VPN so good luck with your costly lawyer team with their stupid moves. Looking at the very late reaction from your lawyer team after the release of several keys we know now they think a christmas holiday is more important to them than your product security.
Edit: Sony should go after X3Max.... they started the whole masterkey thing with their (fake?) youtube vid.
02-09-2011
06:51 AM
Total Bull****... If Sony couldn't protect their own damn console don't blame the ones that cracked it... What you should do is make more safer... Dip****s all at Sony
02-09-2011
06:58 AM
02-09-2011
08:10 AM
@all the guys above which said that sony does not want your money anymore
That is not a problem, you pirates never bought a game. :thefinger:
02-09-2011
08:21 AM
Whoooaaa whoooaa hold on a second those ****ING JERKS don't have the right to access somebody else's property!!! IF they get access to our YouTube and Twitter accounts they'll have to deal with us then!!! **** YOU SONY! Stupid company!!
02-09-2011
09:23 AM
if sony had an unbreakable security they wouldnt have this problem now, they will and are doing there very best to secure it again, but im afraid once exploited theres no chance of bringing back the same level of security. they got a team of security so does the outside world. its a constant battle. only difference is there losing money, soon shareholders will sell their share for cheap, bad publicity against sony about the BIG FAIL and then BANK RUPT happily ever after
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i wouldnt be suprised if they actually employ geohot to come up with a good security lol
02-09-2011
10:07 AM
like i said..
japan is taking over
02-09-2011
10:48 AM
Warning
No flaming
02-09-2011
10:49 AM
02-09-2011
01:17 PM
02-09-2011
01:39 PM
Yeah, that song is f*n' brilliant!
02-09-2011
01:58 PM
What the Hell? here in AMERICA? what have we become.Our founding fathers would be rolling in there grave. This is flat against the Constitution.. Ok Guys sing me up..I am sick and tired and I want to be an active member in protecting what freedoms we have left.
I don't want to breal the law..I jsut want to know How I can be come more informed learn everything I can Because I am ONE angry Consumer *eyes burning red* smoke coming from Nostrils* I may be 40..but there aint no way in hades I am going to take this kind of stuff lying down.Sony has crossed the lines. its bad enough that I get lies when I call the CSR number.'
OO I am burning mad.. I am a law abiding citizen... this...erg I can't even type any more.
02-09-2011
03:14 PM
ps398632 is so right i love the fact we have people like you here in the scene ps398632...
anymore our rights are not even real to this day it seems...
02-09-2011
03:47 PM
do you think if i slammed the shyt out of my ps3 with 3.56 on it and i mean in pieces then send it fed ex to there headquarters with my psn account name can they sue me????? fuk em that how i feel right now!!!!!!
02-09-2011
04:11 PM
Response Via Email (Sarah E.) 02/09/2011 08:33 AM
Hello <my name omitted>,
Thank you for writing back regarding the ownership of the PlayStation(R)3 computer entertainment system. Once you have completed payment on the PlayStation 3 then ownership transfers to you. If you allow anyone, including 3rd party vendors to use, accept the EULA, or make purchased on your PlayStation(R)Network account, You would be responsible. You can view the Terms of Use and User Agreement in the link below.
Terms of Use and User Agreement
Article Link: http://playstation.custhelp.com/app/...tail/a_id/1109
I hope this information has been helpful. I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to assist you. If you have any further questions and/or concerns regarding this or any other issue you may have with any PlayStation®product please, email us again.
Regards,
Sarah E.
Customer By Email 02/08/2011 06:43 PM
So to clairfy, after purchase the machine is my ownership. The PS3 belongs to me after payhment, and It is my responsibility no matter what your 3rd party vendor does?
Response Via Email (Sarah E.) 02/08/2011 03:16 PM
Hello <my name ommitted>,
Thank you for contacting us regarding the EULA , restocking fees, and offline gaming on your PlayStation(R)3 computer entertainment system. First, you purchased the PlayStation 3 and if you allow someone other than yourself to accept the Terms and Conditions for you, then you are still bound by the EULA. Second, If you open the box and do not accept the EULA and want to return the PlayStation 3 it would be up to the retailers policy as to the restocking fees. Third, if you do not wish to accept the EULA you can still play games offline as long as they do not require an update. If the game requires an update you may be asked to accept the EULA at the time of the update.
I hope this information has been helpful. I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to assist you. If you have any further questions and/or concerns regarding this or any other issue you may have with any PlayStation®product please, email us again.
Regards,
Sarah E.
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Customer By Web Form 02/08/2011 06:13 AM
If i purchase a new ps3 from bestbuy. Have them bring it out and setup the system via thier optional plan. If they clicked through all the EULA. Since i dont get a chance to agree or accept it, am i bound to the EULA. I figured I would ask since they are a Sony Licensed reseller of yours. Oh ..and if someone opens the box, doesnt accept, are they subject to the restocking fees? Must you have the newest firmware to play the newest games offline?
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02-09-2011
04:13 PM
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02-09-2011
04:15 PM
I am sorry that i played stupid to ask Sony for an answer..but this proves that the product, transfers ownership and is no longer sony's product. Therefore why are they griping about what a person does with it??? Oh btw...my emails back and forth were from to/from SCEA via playstation@mailnj.custhelp.com form, then email.
02-09-2011
04:36 PM
LMAO Twitter and Youtube wont give Our IP's or Info
Its against The Privacy law they need Goverment Authorization
Hey sony, :musicus: Take That
->sony->
Us->
02-09-2011
04:53 PM
Sony cannot have the info, but the courts can.
02-09-2011
05:24 PM
Oh Sony,
looks like someone made a boo boo by retweeting a certain something something...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/p...ler-no-punchl/
hurts to drop the soap doesn't it....
02-09-2011
06:36 PM
02-09-2011
07:49 PM
This needs to be the only thing that anyone in homebrew should fix I need to get online with 3.55 lets all join together here and come up with an idea im working on it 24/7 we will fix this homebrew will always live on
02-09-2011
09:02 PM
maybe sony should write in the user agreement before purchae 'THE PS3 IS STILL MINE SONY OWN IT OK NEVER YOURS! then we see how many people will buy.
jailbreaking is perfectly legal
pirating is illegal
02-09-2011
09:18 PM
i think we can forget PSN for the next 3 months (or more)....
02-09-2011
09:39 PM
Now that the dns bypass is gone, is there any other way to still stream netflix from my ps3? Sorry for the noob question
02-10-2011
02:56 AM
I have an idea...I know I am from the peanut gallery, but were forgetting one thing . we can go here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
copy and paste :
Sony Computer Entertainment America, 919 East Hillsdale Boulevard, Foster City, CA 94404
and write a review. Have all your friends and family members , co-workers write a review of this cooperation.
you really want to vent...You really want to be heard..I would encourage this route.
How to break a Multi-billion dollar company.
Well, I am not sure how to go about doing that.. we need to figure out where there are weak at, even super man has a weakness... What we need to find is Sony's kryponite .instead of getting angry we need to get even.
We need to start filing counter suits . perhaps suing them for defective updates , Updates that state that have made there products more secure supposedly ..Maybe what needs to happens is the full break down of the code, see what SCEA has placed in that code.
And for those that are suffering the break downs due to updates? like the 5.56, well maybe it is time we take Sony to court for that.
I guess what were saying is, were in war, it is time to start planning how we want to fight this war. We need to use the law, we need to use there greed against them, we need to get consumers to stop purchasing games. Now I have began to inform customers about the lawsuits, i first start off with the gehot case, that gets them to think well sony is protecting there product, but then I also explain the Other OS issue to them 4 out of 5 customers thus far have not purchased the PS3.
There are some other things we should be able to do as well.
We can also should be contacting the FTC as well.
We need need to get organized , Sending them viruses and such could hurt our cause. Calling them up and cussing them out can hurt our cause..
We need to use our anger in a positive and very powerful way.
The question is How? Any ideas?
02-10-2011
03:20 AM
there is no other way to get them to notice that their actions are hurting their business.
even then, they will carry on making huge profits regardless and it would take years of us refusing to buy their products before it would actually harm them
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02-10-2011
04:52 AM
We can't access the PSN but let's see the positive side, who else can play Pacman on Ps3?
02-10-2011
05:38 AM
i rely on online gaming, a gaming console is useless to me if it doesn't have online gaming. I never play stories or campaigns, i like social gaming with friends. Xbox live was the reason i kept my xbox 360, now if ps3 never get release a of cfw 3.56 then my ps3 will most likely be sold.
i used the dns trick hoping that b4 it gets patched there would be a newer cfw. but i guess they are stuggling, hackers are getting sued, people are gaining fear for $ony. $ony are not very smart, i bought a ps3 as soon as i found out it got hacked, if somehow all hacks are stopped, then i will sell my ps3. If anything the ps3 getting hacked will increase hardware sales, i doubt it will effect game sales, as pirates never intend to pay for a game in the first place.
02-10-2011
08:10 AM
If pirates never buy games in the first place, then could someone please explain to me why they bought the console?
This is where most people are way off mark, and are wrongly using the term Pirate to mean anyone that copies a game as if noone else copies them.
Let's be truthful here, the ones who are most eager to get a 3.56 CFW are the ones who are using copied (read as pirated) games, The ones who are happy to stay on an earlier version are typically the 'old school crowd' who are more intersted in emulators and Linux etc.
Pirating houses of the past (and some have actually come into existance with the PS3 now selling VERY cheap BluRay copies although not sure if they work lol) don't actually buy games as a rule and generally either download the game or rent it for the night in the case of new releases then copy it to re-sell.
There are Huge differences in a hacker and a pirate, the most basic one being a hacker likes the fact that he can make a piece of kit perform in ways he wants it to by exploring and finding solutions to the manufaturers enforced limits (fOf for example with their OS work) whereas a pirate usually has nothing at all to do with the coding and hacks and uses it mostly to play illegally copied games or applications.
So called pirates DO buy games but when given the choice they will more happily use a copy.
Rant over, but please peeps, let's not pretend the whole JB scene is not based on game copying.
02-10-2011
11:36 AM
dont buy sony products people :aetsch:
02-10-2011
11:52 AM
haha i think they are making themeselves a "bigger" hole, they ask the failOverlow team to give up their info? all their work? just bcuz sony is losing .00000001% of their profits per month lol, there is gonna b a CFW 3.56 soon and theres nothing sony can do about it. all they can do is roll on those patches. i bet by next month we go frm 3.55/56 to sumthin like 9.95/96 lol :thefinger::thefinger::thefinger:
02-10-2011
01:10 PM
any one here understand the stock market?
It appears that Is below a certain blue dotted line...and the main corperation has lost 10% of its value?
I am wondering if all these lawsuits are having something to do with the market?
I do realize that the PS3 is a fraction of that market.
Could "Fear Mongering" from a company hurt their business.
I suspect it can.
My other question is could the judge be allowing Sony enough rope to hang themselves. that is just how much will she allow the company get away with before snapping the noose.
Also if the company becomes a "Dictator Ship" then where would the US laws and so forth com in to practice?
I feel that there is a deeper issue at hand, we need something smiler to the Boston Tea Party.
We need to boycot yes, but we need something more powerful too. we need to start jabbing them with the constitution . We also need to start seeing on about consumer rites as well. If SCEA wants to attack our privacey then we need to use the privacy laws. to attack them.
or we very well just might need to get other organizations involved. Organizations of sound mind that is lol.
People in other countries demonstrate and they do it in the hundreds of thousands.
Why not here in the US? I think SCEA would be excessively afraid if a few hundred thousand were to show up surrounding the cooperate office.
We here in america that that right. We need to use that right or we will lose it.
It is time for us to stop arguing and talking amongst each other and start creating chapters Not jsut in the US but in all countries.
Were more then hackers, were more then gamers, were more then consumers, We are people with rights and if we can band together were a force that would have to be reckoned with..
I can't start something like this because I do not live in California. but what I can do is start something here Locally like starting a petition to stop Sony's invasion of privacy, but I will need to check into that. I bet of we could start petitions stating that our state upholds the constitutionally right to privacy and that "Data Mining" the Ip address is a form of that violation and then send it to where it needs to go, I bet Sony would be a tad shaken. Sony counts on our fears and lack of knowledge to proceed forth.
I will see what I can do about starting a petition in my state , but who here is willing to do the same or is this a foolish idea?
02-10-2011
01:18 PM
Kondor1 - 02-09-2011 04:11 PM
Response Via Email (Sarah E.) 02/09/2011 08:33 AM
Hello <my name omitted>,
Thank you for writing back regarding the ownership of the PlayStation(R)3 computer entertainment system. Once you have completed payment on the PlayStation 3 then ownership transfers to you. If you allow anyone, including 3rd party vendors to use, accept the EULA, or make purchased on your PlayStation(R)Network account, You would be responsible. You can view the Terms of Use and User Agreement in the link below.
Terms of Use and User Agreement
Article Link: http://playstation.custhelp.com/app/...tail/a_id/1109
I hope this information has been helpful. I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to assist you. If you have any further questions and/or concerns regarding this or any other issue you may have with any PlayStation�product please, email us again.
Regards,
Sarah E.
Customer By Email 02/08/2011 06:43 PM
So to clairfy, after purchase the machine is my ownership. The PS3 belongs to me after payhment, and It is my responsibility no matter what your 3rd party vendor does?
Response Via Email (Sarah E.) 02/08/2011 03:16 PM
Hello <my name ommitted>,
Thank you for contacting us regarding the EULA , restocking fees, and offline gaming on your PlayStation(R)3 computer entertainment system. First, you purchased the PlayStation 3 and if you allow someone other than yourself to accept the Terms and Conditions for you, then you are still bound by the EULA. Second, If you open the box and do not accept the EULA and want to return the PlayStation 3 it would be up to the retailers policy as to the restocking fees. Third, if you do not wish to accept the EULA you can still play games offline as long as they do not require an update. If the game requires an update you may be asked to accept the EULA at the time of the update.
I hope this information has been helpful. I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to assist you. If you have any further questions and/or concerns regarding this or any other issue you may have with any PlayStation�product please, email us again.
Regards,
Sarah E.
Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/02/sony-p...#ixzz1Da5ifR4f
This is great. We need a statement of some sort that Sony can't squirm out of, or for pepole to actually try it and for Sony to refuse, either way it's win - win.
Senario 1 Sony denies this policy and their EULA becomes void (on purchase, which legally it is anyway)
Senario 2 we all by PS3s an refuse the EULA, refunds, which in turn are passed back to Sony. This would really hurt them.
02-10-2011
09:46 PM
Guys i know its sad but stop dreaming and accept the true, the CFW is dead......
02-11-2011
05:11 PM
i think i will turn my ps3 to xbox :D i will never again buy sony consoles
seem they dont want our money
02-11-2011
07:52 PM
to all you d icks who say you are gonna boycott sony,brilliant best news i heard you wont be missed.also to all you little pu ssy hackers SONY FOR THE WINso get over it and also one last thing to everyone on this site:thefinger::thefinger::thefinger::thefinger::thefinger: bye bye a ss ho les