• PS3 Hacks, PS3 Linux , 24.03.2011

    graf_chokolo got raided, lost all his equipment, has Sony breathing down his neck, yet he still works on the PS3, the guy is awesome.

    Recently graf_chokolo revealed to PS3Crunch that he is working on a 3.55 CFW, which will have dual boot built in, here is a quote from the source:

    I plan to implement dual boot feature in HV, just like i did on my PS3 3.41, and you can boot with it either gameos or linux or some other system like freebsd. You won’t need any bootos on gameos for that. I will also patch HV and enable more features icon smile Graf Chokolo Is Working On 3.55 HV CFW, With Dual Boot Linux Option

    I will do it on PS3 slim, first i will resize HDD and add a partition for Linux there icon smile Graf Chokolo Is Working On 3.55 HV CFW, With Dual Boot Linux Option

    SOURCE PS3Crunch

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  • 210 Comments

    1. jacker300
      03-24-2011
      02:25 PM
      1

      You rock!! Looking forward to the CFW :D

    2. PiXeLbLuE230
      03-24-2011
      02:26 PM
      2

      Sweet sounds great

    3. japsander
      03-24-2011
      02:26 PM
      3

      awesome, this guys a legend

    4. Annelies
      03-24-2011
      02:27 PM
      4

      Attention

      editing your post after I did to be a smart@** will not be tolerated either. Enjoy your infraction.



    5. killuinurface
      03-24-2011
      02:33 PM
      5

      this sounds very sexy to bad im on 3.60 o well but nice going graf

    6. OoZic
      03-24-2011
      02:34 PM
      6

      Reading the text between the lines there will be support for internal HD? That would be great

      Turning on my PS3 and start with a bootscreen to choose between several OS's is one of my "most wanted" options. Great work again Graf !!!

    7. DeanR 1977
      03-24-2011
      02:37 PM
      7

      Graf_chokolo is the king of the PS3s & not afraid to share his creations! top man Graf

    8. BobbyBlunt
      03-24-2011
      02:37 PM
      8

      Well I can't wait to see this. It will be like having OtherOS all over again with fewer restriction because of graf. Now Maybe we can take his findings and get a tri-boot going on. One partition with OFW, one with CFW and of course a linux partition. I can't wait to see what the future holds for this machine. What I mentioned may never happen, but hey I can dream.

    9. djhazardous
      03-24-2011
      02:42 PM
      9

      Shame there's no mention of dual booting 3.55 CFW along with 3.60 OFW. Oh well, progress is progress. :D

    10. stayboogy
      03-24-2011
      02:48 PM
      10

      i'm not really interested unless we can boot cfw and ofw on the same machine.

    11. archangelptx
      03-24-2011
      02:51 PM
      11

      Y'know what's one of the favorite things of my day? Checking the front page for news. Everytime I see a new icon I just get filled with joy to see what the great minds here have put together, or what's going with all of the legal issues. Anyway, great job, just wanted to give the community some props for making my work day more bearable.

      And major ups to Graf for this one, I'd love to be able to dual boot. Looking forward to this. Cheers!

    12. tscheinis
      03-24-2011
      02:55 PM
      12

      this is the right direction. great news!

    13. takuma120981
      03-24-2011
      02:57 PM
      13

      Graf i bow to you m8 amazing job but you guys believe we will ever have 2 FW on the PS3, OFW and CFW??
      Cause one thing is one option to boot CFW/OFW and another to boot linux
      Boot CFW or OFW i dunno im no expertiii but maibe thats to much but still i do hope so.
      Go Graf GO

    14. Qraze1
      03-24-2011
      02:59 PM
      14

      this is just pure amazing.

    15. depblkman
      03-24-2011
      03:01 PM
      15

      has Christmas come early? YAY!!! OtherOs!!!!

    16. bevve
      03-24-2011
      03:08 PM
      16

      graf is amazing =) ruler of ps3 =) i hope there is a way to have both CFW and OFW =) would be awesome =) keep up the good work graf =)

    17. Thelostdeathknight
      03-24-2011
      03:09 PM
      17

      This is what I have been waiting for, graf you are a god among men! Oh and Sony instead of suing him you should be kissing his butt

    18. djhazardous
      03-24-2011
      03:34 PM
      18

      Originally Posted by stayboogy
      i'm not really interested unless we can boot cfw and ofw on the same machine.
      Did he just say what I said?

    19. japsander
      03-24-2011
      03:37 PM
      19

      Originally Posted by djhazardous
      Did he just say what I said?
      no, you acknowledged it as progress at least, he just dismissed it.

    20. Thebenno
      03-24-2011
      04:16 PM
      20

      Im intrested in dual boot with OFW 3.60 and later, and CFW 3.55
      Than I can enjoin psn and play al my hacked games
      I HOPE HE RELEASE DUAL GAMEOS FOR 2 FIRMWARES

    21. Sidewinder_2011
      03-24-2011
      04:25 PM
      21

      there can never be one piece of news with out some one going on about 3.60 . did graf mention 3.60 ofw duel boot no . so stfu and get over it it not going to happen at this moment it would say if he was doing but hes not if your on ps3 3.60fw shouldnt update simple , if u on 3.55 cfw but want psn , well update to 3.60ofw or buy another ps3 other wize stfu about 3.60 cfw and be happy u got and what devs are doing for us for FREE . if u want other stuff that devs are not doing. all i can say is go and learn and make your own stuff other

    22. budsta
      03-24-2011
      04:39 PM
      22

      Loving your work sir.

    23. englishtrog
      03-24-2011
      04:55 PM
      23

      Originally Posted by djhazardous
      Shame there's no mention of dual booting 3.55 CFW along with 3.60 OFW. Oh well, progress is progress. :D
      now that would be a dual boot we would all want......erm

      quote:there can never be one piece of news with out some one going on about 3.60 . did graf mention 3.60 ofw duel boot no . so stfu and get over it it not going to happen at this moment it would say if he was doing but hes not if your on ps3 3.60fw shouldnt update simple , if u on 3.55 cfw but want psn , well update to 3.60ofw or buy another ps3 other wize stfu about 3.60 cfw and be happy u got and what devs are doing for us for FREE . if u want other stuff that devs are not doing. all i can say is go and learn and make your own stuff other

      erm, i dont go on about it but that would be a cool cfw, so should i stfu too?

    24. MysterySword
      03-24-2011
      05:11 PM
      24

      Well, this would make it possible to boot other OS's at startup before GameOS is booted, so theoretically, 3.60 dualboot is possible, since it's possible to unpack (no real need to repack, I believe).

      I'm glad a good Linux for PS3 is on its way

    25. Wolfie708
      03-24-2011
      05:17 PM
      25

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      now that would be a dual boot we would all want......erm

      quote:there can never be one piece of news with out some one going on about 3.60 . did graf mention 3.60 ofw duel boot no . so stfu and get over it it not going to happen at this moment it would say if he was doing but hes not if your on ps3 3.60fw shouldnt update simple , if u on 3.55 cfw but want psn , well update to 3.60ofw or buy another ps3 other wize stfu about 3.60 cfw and be happy u got and what devs are doing for us for FREE . if u want other stuff that devs are not doing. all i can say is go and learn and make your own stuff other

      erm, i dont go on about it but that would be a cool cfw, so should i stfu too?
      I think I've established enough times on here I don't actually give a monkeys left nut about PSN, but a True dual boot PS3 where it can either run OFW or CFW would be a wonderful thing as the One important fact about that would be that Sony could not do a single thing as even they admit that the hardware is ours to do with as we please, just as a regular PC is ours to run whatever OS we wish on it. I think this is hopefully the first step towards that as current CFW's are basically a modded OFW. Now should I also stfu Carl? lol

    26. Sidewinder_2011
      03-24-2011
      05:30 PM
      26

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      I think I've established enough times on here I don't actually give a monkeys left nut about PSN, but a True dual boot PS3 where it can either run OFW or CFW would be a wonderful thing as the One important fact about that would be that Sony could not do a single thing as even they admit that the hardware is ours to do with as we please, just as a regular PC is ours to run whatever OS we wish on it. I think this is hopefully the first step towards that as current CFW's are basically a modded OFW. Now should I also stfu Carl? lol
      im not saying saying it not a good idea and it be good to duel boot 3.55cfw and ofw cos that be great . the point is that 1) this thread is about cfw with linux , nearly every thread goes off topic like is started to 2) any think that comes out eg pkg builder ppl goes on about 3.60 cfw ,3.60this and that , it just gets on ya nerves seeing ppl go on about it when its got nothink to do with the news . im not gunna commet any more on the matter cos i dont want it go ofg topic ne more and yes a few weeks back i read that graf is working on cfw and ofw booting thought thats been posted ages ago must of read it from some other site

    27. kristjanga
      03-24-2011
      05:30 PM
      27

      linux on internal harddisk is great
      dualboot is just fantastic
      and the fact that it is graf doing it IS JUST AWESOME!!
      man that guy doesn´t take crap from no one!!
      great news!

    28. projectorfreak
      03-24-2011
      05:43 PM
      28

      Gotta start somewhere as far as dual boot goes
      Remember when the wii was cracked and how far that or any other hack has come
      Dual boot will eventually work with other fw but sony will figure out a way to spy it and this will start all over again with people saying , I am waiting for 3.61 or 3.7 whatever it will be
      Great job by graf , well done

    29. lisapower
      03-24-2011
      06:17 PM
      29

      Sounds Fantastic!!! Nice!

    30. cheezyness
      03-24-2011
      06:44 PM
      30

      Pardon my ignorance, but I've always wondered what all the hubbub over linux on the PS3 was all about. Does it run as well as, or dare I say better than, a standard PC? Does it work exactly like I would expect linux to work with all the same features?

      Or is this an "it's cool because we can do it" type of deal? No disrespect implied.

    31. OoZic
      03-24-2011
      06:44 PM
      31

      If Sony needs one serious reason and one moment to use the Banhammer it will be the moment multiboot CFW/OFW will be reality. For everybody's own protection this is not something to do. CFW/Linux is great but no OFW on that same machine.
      Till now Sony has ways out and they are fair for normal CFW users (extremely unfair for non-pirating devs) so almost no banning besides cheaters but that will change if they have no other way out. Only security changes for now to keep us out of PSN, I have no real problem with that.
      This multiboot option explains a little why their claim is that high (€1.000.000). Sony understands as no other what options Graf his kernel and tools can bring to the PS3 and is why they really want to have his work stopped

    32. zaspan
      03-24-2011
      06:51 PM
      32

      Cfw/ofw dual boot is not possible because a piece of firmware is stored on a Nand and linux is stored completly on a hard disk so unless you are going to buy a device wich can modify the nand flash forget about it.These are the only options cfw/linux,ofw/linux or any other os.You know what would be great.If somebody developed an os similar to sony's so we wouldn't have to update and we would have our own pirate psn wich somebody would host but we would pay for like 2$ a month to cover the hosting expenses.That's the anwser

    33. jdawg6996
      03-24-2011
      06:53 PM
      33

      yeah!!! more progress what will tomorrow bring?

    34. japsander
      03-24-2011
      06:53 PM
      34

      Originally Posted by cheezyness
      Pardon my ignorance, but I've always wondered what all the hubbub over linux on the PS3 was all about. Does it run as well as, or dare I say better than, a standard PC? Does it work exactly like I would expect linux to work with all the same features?

      Or is this an "it's cool because we can do it" type of deal? No disrespect implied.
      price up an ibm blade server, then compare it to the cost of a ps3. :D

    35. jdawg6996
      03-24-2011
      06:59 PM
      35

      Originally Posted by zaspan
      Cfw/ofw dual boot is not possible because a piece of firmware is stored on a Nand and linux is stored completly on a hard disk so unless you are going to buy a device wich can modify the nand flash forget about it.These are the only options cfw/linux,ofw/linux or any other os.You know what would be great.If somebody developed an os similar to sony's so we wouldn't have to update and we would have our own pirate psn wich somebody would host but we would pay for like 2$ a month to cover the hosting expenses.That's the anwser
      i would pay 2 bucks a month and with all of grafs progress couldnt it be possible to spoof a nand on the hd it would only need to be emulated not actually exist

    36. Pockets69
      03-24-2011
      07:16 PM
      36

      this has already been acomplished by graf, but for 3.41... i wish he would release it, but hey he is working on it on 3.55 for everyone, and since he already knows what to do it won't take long for a release...

    37. zaspan
      03-24-2011
      07:25 PM
      37

      I just dont know what to say about graf.That man is just awesome,he is getting sued and raided by sony and he acts like nothing is happening.He acomlished all of this recently without a ps3 and most of his data wich sony took.I mean he is facing a lawsuit worth a cold mil. and he doesnt seem to care.Highest respect for him.

    38. fromzero
      03-24-2011
      07:42 PM
      38

      Can you guys quit asking Graf about dual boot ofw / cfw. The function of this project is to fully restore OtherOS in dual boot form, kinda like before but with full use of the cpu + video. So that you have a really nice computer with a small amount of ram. I'm sure some one will come along and fix that one (ala xbox 128mb). Graf doesn't care about giving blood sucking pirates psn. He cares about bring linux back to ps3 and from a development standpoint, having an extra linux box around is always handy. Especially one with a beast of a cpu. My point is that he said exactly what it's working on now. Don't ask how long for a feature that he's not even working on. If you're dying for ofw/cfw code it. Let him finish the linux thing first and maybe, his next project that HE chooses to work on will be something you like. Just say thanks for what you're getting, don't ask for more before the last thing is ready. That's so greedy, leeches always want to know the next way to play games for free. What about buying your ****ing games and if you love your CFW like I do, get a 2nd ps3 for OFW like my room mate did. I think my favorite feature is simply playing the emulators in hd and not having to go to storage to bust out my old consoles. When we want to play psn we play on his. At this point with sony trying to deter our favorite ps3 hackers, getting ready to start charging for SNEA & bye bye to psn... We should all buy xbox360's, even if we already own then. So that sony can loose even more market share and see what their effect is on its customers. Stay off of psn for 3 months, let them take a financial hit and maybe they'll call back the law and show our favorite hackers some real respect.

      'm probably wasting my time here because if they didn't read it after every developer says what their biggest pet peeve is... They're probably too lazy to read it here too.

    39. gliitch
      03-24-2011
      07:49 PM
      39

      Originally Posted by Annelies

      Attention

      editing your post after I did to be a smart@** will not be tolerated either. Enjoy your infraction.



      Haw Haw!! XD whateva! i what i want XD. heh ahh quality infaction. ^_^

    40. ibivibiv
      03-24-2011
      07:55 PM
      40

      Why oh why are they wasting their time chasing THIS guy? Is linux THAT bad? If they are truly against piracy go after backup manager devs, or better yet do a sweep on the torrenters. Going after a guy doing stuff this technically cool only makes $ony look like jerks and makes enemies of some VERY talented people. I think those are 2 very bad things for them in the long run. Imagine them trying to hire technical talent now and the candidates passing on jobs because it is for the company that arrested people over LINUX.

    41. cheezyness
      03-24-2011
      09:14 PM
      41

      Originally Posted by japsander
      price up an ibm blade server, then compare it to the cost of a ps3. :D
      Thats aside from the point... I mean an old $50 PC could run linux. Question is would I use it?

      Seriously though. Is there no one who has linux on the PS3 that could tell me if it's even usable?

    42. LuckySnake
      03-24-2011
      09:30 PM
      42

      Of course linux is useable. Very much so. I just can't wait to have the full potential.

    43. OoZic
      03-24-2011
      09:37 PM
      43

      Originally Posted by cheezyness
      Thats aside from the point... I mean an old $50 PC could run linux. Question is would I use it?

      Seriously though. Is there no one who has linux on the PS3 that could tell me if it's even usable?
      I have BootOS installed, problem is it is on an USB stick (slow) and not on internal, only half the ram is usable (128 Mb) and no support for RSX yet.
      So atm it is usable but very slow because of the low ram and swap needed. Nice to play around with but not for serious graphic or memory-hungry stuff.

      and why you want to run Linux on a PS3? Put that old $50 PC next to your expensive TV and try to watch a movie on that noisy thing. And why 2 devices if one can do it?

    44. Annelies
      03-24-2011
      10:16 PM
      44

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      there can never be one piece of news with out some one going on about 3.60 . did graf mention 3.60 ofw duel boot no . so stfu and get over it it not going to happen at this moment it would say if he was doing but hes not if your on ps3 3.60fw shouldnt update simple , if u on 3.55 cfw but want psn , well update to 3.60ofw or buy another ps3 other wize stfu about 3.60 cfw and be happy u got and what devs are doing for us for FREE . if u want other stuff that devs are not doing. all i can say is go and learn and make your own stuff other
      And if I released CFW that allowed you to use PSN, I bet you'd be the first one to praise me for it.

      Stop acting like you don't care about PSN.


      Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk

    45. iMan89DK
      03-25-2011
      03:48 AM
      45

      Would it be possible to make 2 partitions? One with 3.55 CFW, and one with 3.60 OFW?

      That would be freakin' awesome!

    46. tech3475
      03-25-2011
      03:57 AM
      46

      God I hope he can get 3.55 OOS on phat consoles.

      If he can introduce a real OOS to 3.55 I will say goodbye to 3.15.

    47. Pockets69
      03-25-2011
      09:37 AM
      47

      Stop acting like you think everyone cares about PSN! do you know how many times i have been on PSN since i bought the machine? it was when i had 1.50 firmware!!!! do you know how long ago it was? ever since then i never went to psn, i never cared about it either!
      So please don't make it sound like we care about psn cause we certainly dont! although i will admit that some people do!

    48. samson
      03-25-2011
      09:56 AM
      48

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      And if I released CFW that allowed you to use PSN, I bet you'd be the first one to praise me for it.

      lol.. tehehe ha ha ha yeah lol .... funny..

      dont write checks your butt cant cash XD

    49. gliitch
      03-25-2011
      10:20 AM
      49

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      And if I released CFW that allowed you to use PSN, I bet you'd be the first one to praise me for it.
      Oh my do my eyes decive me, or is that a flying pig? Nawww... thats just Annlies being catapulted outta here, for talking sh*t XD Haw Haw.

    50. CrystalWolf
      03-25-2011
      11:09 AM
      50

      Although i do not use linux on my ps3 i have to give respect to MR graf_chokolo thank you kind sir

    51. englishtrog
      03-25-2011
      11:28 AM
      51

      i dont get the linux on a ps3 thing.......here comes the rants........but its true. i have a kick arse laptop and a kick ass games console, why would i want one to run the other,and visa versa.
      my daughter had a 7" laptop with linux on it and in my book it was bollox!

    52. Pockets69
      03-25-2011
      02:07 PM
      52

      let me help you, the linux on ps3 for us is because WE CAN! but some of us got rid their desktop pc, and started using the ps3 as a working machine no need to have two pcs at home right? but yeah most us do it because we can, and linux represents freedom and open source, that is what we represent also, so i would say its the ultimate thing having linux installed on our ps3!

    53. SuperDre
      03-25-2011
      02:41 PM
      53

      Originally Posted by OoZic
      I have BootOS installed, problem is it is on an USB stick (slow) and not on internal, only half the ram is usable (128 Mb) and no support for RSX yet.
      So atm it is usable but very slow because of the low ram and swap needed. Nice to play around with but not for serious graphic or memory-hungry stuff.

      and why you want to run Linux on a PS3? Put that old $50 PC next to your expensive TV and try to watch a movie on that noisy thing. And why 2 devices if one can do it?
      As far as I know OtherOS has 'full' access to the both RAM types (remember the PS3 has a total of 512MB memory, of which 256MB is superfast memory but difficult to get to, and 256MB of regular memory (which is where OtherOS is running it's linux).. Also according to Geohot the RSX wasn't exactly restricted, but there just isn't a driver written for it (which is a lot of work compared to the current driver which does ship with it's simple framebuffer)
      And I also get a bit sick of people saying 'why? it's slow as hell', stop *****ing, Linux on PS3 on 3.15 runs perfectly for being able to do some emailing/writing letters,documents,whatever/browsing.. I personally want it as a replacement for all my old consoles under my tv, and linux as a backup when my PC actually would die.. I bought my PS3 WITH OtherOS and gaming, now I can only use it for OtherOS and 'old' games and 'old' bluray movies as I'm still at OFW 3.15, and I also cannot get onto PSN with my PS3 even though I'm not doing anything illegal.. But if Graf get's this working perfectly also on the Phat, I'll load his CFW 3.55 so I can at least play some newer games with Move (the move I bought for also toying around with it on the PC and hoping OtherOS would be restored officially one day)..

    54. Annelies
      03-25-2011
      06:10 PM
      54

      Originally Posted by gliitch
      thats just Annlies being catapulted outta here, for talking sh*t
      Before you quote me and attempt to humiliate me, I suggest spelling my name correctly.

      But I am curious as to how I was talking sh*t. Care to elaborate?

    55. VHD
      03-25-2011
      06:12 PM
      55

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i dont get the linux on a ps3 thing.......here comes the rants........but its true. i have a kick arse laptop and a kick ass games console, why would i want one to run the other,and visa versa.
      my daughter had a 7" laptop with linux on it and in my book it was bollox!
      The only thing stopping the ps3 from being what it truly is, a "computer", is the lack of a "proper" OS. Linux is a proper OS, one which has its roots within the notion of freedom.

      The desire for Linux actually is at the core of the hacking movement. I don't get the people not "getting the Linux on a PS3 thing", other than for pirating of course (but hey I'm a cynic).

      ETA: I realised the earlier part sounded stupid (a computer), of course the ps3 IS a computer, I used the notion of computer in what it means to most people and not the technical description. I have therefore put speech marks around it.

      VHD

    56. warkbt
      03-25-2011
      06:21 PM
      56

      "I plan to implement dual boot feature in HV, just like i did on my PS3 3.41"

      How?

      I still have 3.15 OFW, and I would like to use CFW but only if keeps my linux, so

      Which CFW 3.41 has dual boot?

    57. VHD
      03-25-2011
      06:34 PM
      57

      Originally Posted by warkbt
      "I plan to implement dual boot feature in HV, just like i did on my PS3 3.41"

      How?

      I still have 3.15 OFW, and I would like to use CFW but only if keeps my linux, so

      Which CFW 3.41 has dual boot?
      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      this has already been acomplished by graf, but for 3.41... i wish he would release it, but hey he is working on it on 3.55 for everyone, and since he already knows what to do it won't take long for a release...
      I hope that answers your question.

    58. seang707
      03-25-2011
      06:38 PM
      58

      Annelies - 03-24-2011 07:27 PM

      attention
      Attention
      editing your post after I did to be a smart@** will not be tolerated either. Enjoy your infraction.


      Thats harsh lol 1st time i ever heard of that. Usually the mods are encoriging not spelt corect i know. To edit to make it there own words. No offence but cumon

    59. englishtrog
      03-25-2011
      07:02 PM
      59

      Originally Posted by VHD
      The only thing stopping the ps3 from being what it truly is, a "computer", is the lack of a "proper" OS. Linux is a proper OS, one which has its roots within the notion of freedom.

      The desire for Linux actually is at the core of the hacking movement. I don't get the people not "getting the Linux on a PS3 thing", other than for pirating of course (but hey I'm a cynic).

      ETA: I realised the earlier part sounded stupid (a computer), of course the ps3 IS a computer, I used the notion of computer in what it means to most people and not the technical description. I have therefore put speech marks around it.

      VHD
      i got what you meant about a computer. i just still dont get the linux ps3 conection. if linux came first then with emulators etc and then we got cfw i could see the point of os. there has to be some point to me installing linux on my ps3 and not on my laptop. i dont see it. its like playing ds games on my psp and psp games on my ds(example). i....personally just would not do it.

    60. Pockets69
      03-25-2011
      07:09 PM
      60

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      there has to be some point to me installing linux on my ps3 and not on my laptop. i dont see it.
      You clearly don't cause you don't have linux installed on your laptop! that answers all the questions! if you are not a linux user, why would you install it? you wouldn't, we want to install it because we are linux users!

    61. englishtrog
      03-25-2011
      07:18 PM
      61

      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      You clearly don't cause you don't have linux installed on your laptop! that answers all the questions! if you are not a linux user, why would you install it? you wouldn't, we want to install it because we are linux users!
      and like i said earlier my daughter had linux on her laptop and it was garbage.
      each to their own i say, its just not for me. if you said having a os on my ps3 would open my ps3 up to a new world that my laptop could not dream of doing, id see the point of os. but to have the only point of it is to have a os on a games console, i just dont get it. but like you said maybe its my ignorance

    62. samson
      03-25-2011
      07:30 PM
      62

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      Before you quote me and attempt to humiliate me, I suggest spelling my name correctly.

      But I am curious as to how I was talking sh*t. Care to elaborate?
      ok miss frank i am sorry but gliitch is not about so i'll elaborate on his behalf..

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      And if I released CFW that allowed you to use PSN, I bet you'd be the first one to praise me for it.
      "if I released CFW" AKA talkin' poo.. like i already said dont write checks your butt cant cash..

      and i think its a safe bet that graf has no interest in psn whatsoever because in time (weeks) sony would block it so its a huge waste of time to implement psn into duel boot cwf.. end of.

      the ps3 scene would move a lot faster if everyone that wanted something tried to do it for themselves first before complaining about what we do or dont have.

      and before you replay with a well worded smart comment... dont as you would just be trolling.

      @ englishtrog.. try linux (google tinycore or ubuntu) its free XD its just you have been brainwashed my MS, we forgive you for being ignorant.

    63. GregoryRasputin
      03-25-2011
      07:33 PM
      63

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      but to have the only point of it is to have a os on a games console, i just dont get it. but like you said maybe its my ignorance

      The PS3 isn't a games consoles.

      Also samson and gliitch, leave Annelies alone.

    64. gliitch
      03-25-2011
      07:50 PM
      64

      *sighs... samson started it...* XD

    65. cheezyness
      03-26-2011
      01:06 AM
      65

      Originally Posted by OoZic
      I have BootOS installed, problem is it is on an USB stick (slow) and not on internal, only half the ram is usable (128 Mb) and no support for RSX yet.
      So atm it is usable but very slow because of the low ram and swap needed. Nice to play around with but not for serious graphic or memory-hungry stuff.

      and why you want to run Linux on a PS3? Put that old $50 PC next to your expensive TV and try to watch a movie on that noisy thing. And why 2 devices if one can do it?
      Originally Posted by SuperDre
      As far as I know OtherOS has 'full' access to the both RAM types (remember the PS3 has a total of 512MB memory, of which 256MB is superfast memory but difficult to get to, and 256MB of regular memory (which is where OtherOS is running it's linux).. Also according to Geohot the RSX wasn't exactly restricted, but there just isn't a driver written for it (which is a lot of work compared to the current driver which does ship with it's simple framebuffer)
      And I also get a bit sick of people saying 'why? it's slow as hell', stop *****ing, Linux on PS3 on 3.15 runs perfectly for being able to do some emailing/writing letters,documents,whatever/browsing.. I personally want it as a replacement for all my old consoles under my tv, and linux as a backup when my PC actually would die.. I bought my PS3 WITH OtherOS and gaming, now I can only use it for OtherOS and 'old' games and 'old' bluray movies as I'm still at OFW 3.15, and I also cannot get onto PSN with my PS3 even though I'm not doing anything illegal.. But if Graf get's this working perfectly also on the Phat, I'll load his CFW 3.55 so I can at least play some newer games with Move (the move I bought for also toying around with it on the PC and hoping OtherOS would be restored officially one day)..
      Thanks to both of you for your replies. I hope I didn't come off as if I were saying that this whole thing was pointless. I really was just asking about the current state of its usability. I think I'm gonna give it a shot; it'd be nice to have a spare computer seeing as how my laptop is starting to show its age and won't even dual monitor anymore without overheating...

      While I'm here I might as well ask what version of ubuntu would be best for the PS3? I see that 10.10 is available but I've had some issues with it in the past. For now I've downloaded 9.10; any issues with this version?

    66. Tokobo
      03-26-2011
      12:17 PM
      66

      Great, hope to see it soon graf! =)

      Actually the latest one for ps3 is Ubuntu 11.04.

      However, anyone has the link to the FW update for the asia 3.55.

      In fact, what is the difference between the asian fw and others?

      Will it brick my ps3 if I update with a non-asia ps3 firmware upgrade?

    67. VHD
      03-26-2011
      02:22 PM
      67

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i got what you meant about a computer. i just still dont get the linux ps3 conection. if linux came first then with emulators etc and then we got cfw i could see the point of os. "there has to be some point to me installing Linux on my ps3 and not on my laptop". i dont see it. its like playing ds games on my psp and psp games on my ds(example). i....personally just would not do it.
      Nice bluff. Anyone willing to install Linux on their laptop/pc will see the point of Linux on ps3. I think your problem lies with not getting Linux, irrelevant to the connection to the ps3.

      Also your analogy is incorrect, since Linux IS an official feature Sony touted.

    68. Sidewinder_2011
      03-26-2011
      03:01 PM
      68

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      And if I released CFW that allowed you to use PSN, I bet you'd be the first one to praise me for it.

      Stop acting like you don't care about PSN.


      Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk
      your defo 1 person that can stfu , evey time i see you name you give someone sh1t no matter what it is , u always trying to be a smart arse , you alway trying to put them down u think your all that , listen you cant even raise your self let alone raise a cfw . ne 1 that make a cfw with psn yeah good on them . will i use it yeahn course i would when my kid is here so we can go on line together . when hes not i use my ps3 that on 3.60ofw for psn and even though i got psn on it i havent used psn for ages

    69. GregoryRasputin
      03-26-2011
      03:06 PM
      69

      Right any more fighting/flaming/arguing/insulting and i will hand out a three week ban for any and all parties involved.

    70. gliitch
      03-26-2011
      03:23 PM
      70

      YouTube - Father Jack says sorry!

      did my part

    71. Sidewinder_2011
      03-26-2011
      03:39 PM
      71

      lmfao thats so funny glitch

    72. gliitch
      03-26-2011
      04:04 PM
      72

      Dont thank me, thank samson XD
      YouTube - "We're Sorry" South Park

      On behalf of me and Samson

    73. seang707
      03-26-2011
      04:53 PM
      73

      Lol awwwww so sweet like a fairytale ending

    74. gliitch
      03-26-2011
      05:17 PM
      74

      :D thanks heh

    75. englishtrog
      03-28-2011
      03:07 AM
      75

      Originally Posted by VHD
      Nice bluff. Anyone willing to install Linux on their laptop/pc will see the point of Linux on ps3. I think your problem lies with not getting Linux, irrelevant to the connection to the ps3.

      Also your analogy is incorrect, since Linux IS an official feature Sony touted.
      erm, what bluff?
      my analogy is 100% correct because its what i use my pc and ps3 for.


      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      The PS3 isn't a games consoles.

      Also samson and gliitch, leave Annelies alone.
      if the ps3 is not a games console then what is it?
      cause i use mine for playing games!

    76. japsander
      03-28-2011
      03:11 AM
      76

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      erm, what bluff?
      my analogy is 100% correct because its what i use my pc and ps3 for.




      if the ps3 is not a games console then what is it?
      cause i use mine for playing games!
      officially according to Sony, the ps3 is/was a multimedia computer/gaming system

    77. englishtrog
      03-28-2011
      03:35 AM
      77

      Originally Posted by japsander
      officially according to Sony, the ps3 is/was a multimedia computer/gaming system
      i understand that but so was the psp/360/ps2. my point is that i didnt buy my ps3 because it could play movies. i bought it because its a kick a$$ games console, the multimedia is a bonus.
      i just dont get it, if someone said " linux on a ps3 so that we can get the full potential out of our games console/multimedia system. linux is used because its the easiest os to install to anything"......i would buy that. but to just say your wrong you dont get it your not a linux user.
      dont get me wrong i stick to what i have said, im ignorant to linux because i have never used it, but i still dont get the ps3/linux connection.

    78. Pockets69
      03-28-2011
      03:43 AM
      78

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      erm, what bluff?
      my analogy is 100% correct because its what i use my pc and ps3 for.




      if the ps3 is not a games console then what is it?
      cause i use mine for playing games!
      Its a PC it was always advertised as a PC, prior to its launch and until they removed other os.

    79. englishtrog
      03-28-2011
      03:59 AM
      79

      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      Its a PC it was always advertised as a PC, prior to its launch and until they removed other os.
      that makes no sense!
      im sure other os was implemented in a firmware for students?
      sony took it away because of people killing their ps3's with it?


      i might be wrong!

    80. japsander
      03-28-2011
      04:35 AM
      80

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      that makes no sense!
      im sure other os was implemented in a firmware for students?
      sony took it away because of people killing their ps3's with it?


      i might be wrong!
      no, otheros was actually available for everbody from the beginning, it was a core function of the ps3.
      nobody killed their ps3 using it, Sony just didn't want to support it when the slims were released so they removed it from old ps3 consoles as well as new.

    81. advocatusdiaboli
      03-28-2011
      09:53 AM
      81

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i understand that but so was the psp/360/ps2. my point is that i didnt buy my ps3 because it could play movies. i bought it because its a kick a$$ games console, the multimedia is a bonus.
      i just dont get it, if someone said " linux on a ps3 so that we can get the full potential out of our games console/multimedia system. linux is used because its the easiest os to install to anything"......i would buy that. but to just say your wrong you dont get it your not a linux user.
      dont get me wrong i stick to what i have said, im ignorant to linux because i have never used it, but i still dont get the ps3/linux connection.
      But you can’t blame the users for fulfilling the expectations set by the vendor.

      Geohot made an attempt to keep Sony’s promise:
      Originally Posted by japsander
      officially according to Sony, the ps3 is/was a multimedia computer/gaming system
      It’s NOT Geohot’s mistake that Sony failed to fulfill the users’ expectations through their own marketing.

      On the contrary he almost managed to make the system work as announced in media by the vendor; Sony.

    82. Pockets69
      03-28-2011
      10:20 AM
      82

      there so much people having no clue whats going on... a firmware for students?? otherOS bricking machines?? No way, the ps3 was supposed to be a computer!! how many times have we heard, the PS3 is a super-computer.

    83. advocatusdiaboli
      03-28-2011
      10:47 AM
      83

      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      how many times have we heard, the PS3 is a super-computer.
      Probably more times than the phrase game console.

    84. englishtrog
      03-28-2011
      11:57 AM
      84

      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      there so much people having no clue whats going on... a firmware for students?? otherOS bricking machines?? No way, the ps3 was supposed to be a computer!! how many times have we heard, the PS3 is a super-computer.
      the firmware wasnt made for students, the other os was made for students for a university,cell programming. otheros didnt brick machines but people messing with something they had no clue of meant sony having to repair machine after machine.
      as for the super computer, you are the first person i have heard call it a supper computer. the reason linux is used is because thats all it can handle.
      PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
      * 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
      * 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

      thats not a super computer, if it was then my laptop was made and design for nasa. after all if it was a super computer then it would be able to install anyos not just otheros

      Originally Posted by advocatusdiaboli
      Probably more times than the phrase game console.
      when i bought my ps3 this is what it said Sony PlayStation 3 Slim Game console, but for some reason no one has ever heard of this, you were all sold a Sony PlayStation 3 Slim Super computer........with less than a gig of ram!
      make a topic asking people what games consoles they have.......they make one asking what super computers they have.

    85. japsander
      03-28-2011
      12:29 PM
      85

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      the firmware wasnt made for students, the other os was made for students for a university,cell programming. otheros didnt brick machines but people messing with something they had no clue of meant sony having to repair machine after machine.
      as for the super computer, you are the first person i have heard call it a supper computer. the reason linux is used is because thats all it can handle.
      PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
      * 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
      * 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

      thats not a super computer, if it was then my laptop was made and design for nasa. after all if it was a super computer then it would be able to install anyos not just otheros



      when i bought my ps3 this is what it said Sony PlayStation 3 Slim Game console, but for some reason no one has ever heard of this, you were all sold a Sony PlayStation 3 Slim Super computer........with less than a gig of ram!
      make a topic asking people what games consoles they have.......they make one asking what super computers they have.
      otheros was created for all by sony, not just for students. the bootloader which is called otheros was available on sonys own site with instructions on how to use it and different distros were used on the ps3 like ubuntu and YDL

      it runs linux because the OS needs to be PPC, windows is not PPC, and being open source, linux is the best one to get working.
      dont forget, some of the most powerful computers on the planet use linux.

      your "slim" was sold as a console/multimedia system but the "fats" were sold and advertised as a complete multimedia computer/ games machine (slims never came with otheros), but that doesnt mean the hardware is any less capable of utilizing it.

      as you have only had a slim you will never have had any need/reason to look into otheros as it was never available to you until now (still in its infancy)

      as for your specs of the ps3, the cell cpu far surpasses the cpu in a standard pc and is fast enough to keep up with the small amount of ram, which by the way is extremely fast and more than capable of keeping up with the cell.

      go price up the cost of a blade server and compare it to a ps3 console that can do exactly the same job at a fraction of the cost. why do you think the DOD used them in their cluster.

      the only reason otheros was slower in the gfx department was that sony limited hardware access.

    86. Wolfie708
      03-28-2011
      12:31 PM
      86

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      the firmware wasnt made for students, the other os was made for students for a university,cell programming. otheros didnt brick machines but people messing with something they had no clue of meant sony having to repair machine after machine.
      as for the super computer, you are the first person i have heard call it a supper computer. the reason linux is used is because thats all it can handle.
      PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
      * 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
      * 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

      thats not a super computer, if it was then my laptop was made and design for nasa. after all if it was a super computer then it would be able to install anyos not just otheros



      when i bought my ps3 this is what it said Sony PlayStation 3 Slim Game console, but for some reason no one has ever heard of this, you were all sold a Sony PlayStation 3 Slim Super computer........with less than a gig of ram!
      make a topic asking people what games consoles they have.......they make one asking what super computers they have.
      I won't go into lots of crap here, but...

      A single PS3 is not a super computer, but Unlike your laptop it Can be linked with many more PS3' successfully so the end result can be a 'Super Computer'

      You are also being pedantic with the Games Console use. Of course it is a Games Console, BUT.. It was originally sold as being Much more, and one of the Major marketing points was that is can be USED as a computer.

    87. GregoryRasputin
      03-28-2011
      12:34 PM
      87

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      you are the first person i have heard call it a supper computer. the reason linux is used is because thats all it can handle.
      PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
      * 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
      * 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

      thats not a super computer, if it was then my laptop was made and design for nasa. after all if it was a super computer then it would be able to install anyos not just otheros
      Try learning some Playstation 3 history, it will make you appear somewhat less ignorant, the father of the Playstation, Ken Kutagri, dubbed the Playstation 3 as a super computer, he stated that the PS3 would not be a games console but that it would be a super computer, also i would like to make a correction of your PS3 spec's, when the PS3 was released, most people were using dual core processors, dual meaning 2, at that time, im sure there wasn't any PC that was running a dual core 3.2GHz processors.

      The PS3 was running a PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz, with 7 x SPE's @3.2GHz, that is basically 7 cores running at 3.2GHz, so at that time, the Cell processor was a power house.



      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      when i bought my ps3 this is what it said Sony PlayStation 3 Slim Game console, but for some reason no one has ever heard of this, you were all sold a Sony PlayStation 3 Slim Super computer........with less than a gig of ram!
      make a topic asking people what games consoles they have.......they make one asking what super computers they have.

      You bought a slim console, a console already raped to the bare bones a console who's fater version was a computer, a super computer, you have to remeber that most of us, are old school PS3 owners, we are the owners of the Original 60GB PS3, the super computer. they games console, the hub of home entertainment, so when it comes to OtherOS, when it comes to the pure power of the Cell processor, we know our stuff.

      I know you dislike Linux and you have every right to do so, but don't let that cloud your judgement or understanding of the usefulness of Linux.

    88. SuperDre
      03-28-2011
      12:35 PM
      88

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      the firmware wasnt made for students, the other os was made for students for a university,cell programming. otheros didnt brick machines but people messing with something they had no clue of meant sony having to repair machine after machine.
      as for the super computer, you are the first person i have heard call it a supper computer. the reason linux is used is because thats all it can handle.
      PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
      * 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
      * 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

      thats not a super computer, if it was then my laptop was made and design for nasa. after all if it was a super computer then it would be able to install anyos not just otheros

      when i bought my ps3 this is what it said Sony PlayStation 3 Slim Game console, but for some reason no one has ever heard of this, you were all sold a Sony PlayStation 3 Slim Super computer........with less than a gig of ram!
      make a topic asking people what games consoles they have.......they make one asking what super computers they have.
      Uhmm. Sony never had to repair any PS3's due to OtherOS. Well, the military have created a supercheap supercomputer, with what? with a lot of PS3's..
      I don't know how old your laptop is, but if you're laptop is just as old as the PS3 is, you sure bet your a$$ that the PS3 is a supercomputer when it comes to calculations compared to your laptop.. You clearly have no idea what the PS3 is capable off when it comes to math and correctly using the SPU's..
      And OtherOS is not Linux... Linux is just one example of an OS that can run in OtherOS..
      I just checked my box which my Phat came in, and nowhere on the box is mentioned it being a gamesconsole, it even says Sony Computer Entertainment...

    89. rlme1
      03-28-2011
      03:58 PM
      89

      I wonder, can Graf's linux kernel be implemented in a distro of linux through fw 3.15 OtherOS?

    90. Pockets69
      03-28-2011
      04:02 PM
      90

      you sir keep embarrassing yourself!!

      try learning something about the ps3 first, when you are discussing it with somebody else!
      look i suggest having a look at wikipedia, and at the ps3 history that greg has been compiling!

      OtherOS was made for everyone! not for students or university!
      OtherOS never ****ed up any machines! it didn't have such previleges it couldn't just all of a sudden brick or ruin machines!
      now two things... how many cores has the PS3?? i suggest you to once again have a look at wiki or gregs ps3 history.
      and the machine was a beast, when it was announced in 2005! do you know how long that was??? uh my pc is a supercumputer!! yeah i would like to see your pc with such specs in 2005!
      And that ram part is laughable! this machine was made to have high processing power! PROCESSOR, not ram!! get your facts right! with such a beast machine wouldn't you want to have a better GPU well it also sucks! the only thing we want is processing power, and that is what it does best!

    91. advocatusdiaboli
      03-28-2011
      04:05 PM
      91

      Originally Posted by rlme1
      I wonder, can Graf's linux kernel be implemented in a distro of linux through fw 3.15 OtherOS?
      Sure can.

      Just download and compile.

    92. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      02:16 AM
      92

      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      you sir keep embarrassing yourself!!

      try learning something about the ps3 first, when you are discussing it with somebody else!
      look i suggest having a look at wikipedia, and at the ps3 history that greg has been compiling!

      OtherOS was made for everyone! not for students or university!
      OtherOS never ****ed up any machines! it didn't have such previleges it couldn't just all of a sudden brick or ruin machines!
      now two things... how many cores has the PS3?? i suggest you to once again have a look at wiki or gregs ps3 history.
      and the machine was a beast, when it was announced in 2005! do you know how long that was??? uh my pc is a supercumputer!! yeah i would like to see your pc with such specs in 2005!
      And that ram part is laughable! this machine was made to have high processing power! PROCESSOR, not ram!! get your facts right! with such a beast machine wouldn't you want to have a better GPU well it also sucks! the only thing we want is processing power, and that is what it does best!
      im not embarassing myself at all mate, i read a article that said the otheros was designer for students studying cell proccessors. the specs i post i copied and pasted from the ps3 spec list
      you read one thing that makes you right, i read one thing and that makes me wrong.......erm.....got ya!!!
      im going shopping today with my beautiful misses and im going to ask every shop i can and ask for sony playstation super computer
      my laptop is a supercomputer vs the ps3. the ps3 is a awesome games console my laptop is a awesome pc/laptop. and because i dont get the two mixed up im wrong????.........thats embarassing!!. you can call yours fred if you want but because i call mine a sony playstation games console ive read something wrong somewhere.......

    93. capatao
      03-29-2011
      03:03 AM
      93

      hello i own a phat ps3 with Kmeaw 3.55 CFW i just wana ask something
      is it possible to boot windows XP\7 on ps3?
      i ve been searching the web and theres a ps3 magic boot for windows but is a pay software and idk iff it works i just leave the question i leave here for pros is can i use windows on ps3?

    94. japsander
      03-29-2011
      03:15 AM
      94

      Originally Posted by capatao
      hello i own a phat ps3 with Kmeaw 3.55 CFW i just wana ask something
      is it possible to boot windows XP\7 on ps3?
      i ve been searching the web and theres a ps3 magic boot for windows but is a pay software and idk iff it works i just leave the question i leave here for pros is can i use windows on ps3?
      no, windows wasnt designed to run on PPC architecture.

    95. GregoryRasputin
      03-29-2011
      04:54 AM
      95

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      ive read something wrong somewhere.......
      Obviously you haven't been reading enough.

    96. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      01:13 PM
      96

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      Obviously you haven't been reading enough.
      i need to readSony playstation 3 games console more?
      i dont think i can, this site is the first site i have ever come accross where the ps3 is called a supercomputer......that carnt install windows!

    97. Pockets69
      03-29-2011
      01:16 PM
      97

      and you know why it can't install windows??

    98. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      01:17 PM
      98

      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      and you know why it can't install windows??
      because its not a supercomputer!

    99. GregoryRasputin
      03-29-2011
      01:22 PM
      99

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i need to readSony playstation 3 games console more?
      i dont think i can, this site is the first site i have ever come accross where the ps3 is called a supercomputer......that carnt install windows!

      Now you are just being stupid, i will respond no more to you, as you clearly have an inability to understand anything and that inability is making you ignorant to the people trying to explain to you.

      pockets69, don't explain any more, he doesn't possess the mentality to understand.

    100. Pockets69
      03-29-2011
      01:31 PM
      100

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      because its not a supercomputer!
      yes! nice answer, just shows how much you know about the machine you own!

      i find amazing that everyone here is contradicting you, but you still say whatever you want, it just shows ignorance you know, its worst not being able to admit that you are wrong, then to be wrong because you don't have knowledge.

    101. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      01:34 PM
      101

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      Now you are just being stupid, i will respond no more to you, as you clearly have an inability to understand anything and that inability is making you ignorant to the people trying to explain to you.

      pockets69, don't explain any more, he doesn't possess the mentality to understand.
      i laughed at that, very loud. its not a supercomputer because it only has 512mb of ram, windows 7 needs atleast a gig. on the other hand you might be able to install linux then virtualbox, but again the ram might hold it back. even if the ram was not a issue then you would still have problem because of the ps3 cpu architecture. windows 7 works on a x64 and x86, linux and ubunto just happen to have the right ppc to run on a ps3. thats why its not a supercomputer and thats why its a games console.

      dont act like we are idiots because we dont agree with the same as you. i have done my reading millions of times when my fav sites have been down. i read a article that said that the otheros was made for students, people got upset because when it was taken away in a update some of the students had not finished their work. when the university asked sony first they said for security reasons then they told them it was for safety reasons.
      i didnt dream all this up, then it would be rubbish. you read somewhere thats its a super computer, ive read somewhere its a games console. just because you disagree does not make you right!!!!!!

      enough said really!!!

      you replied whilst i was typing, as you can see by the above i was being sarcastic!
      i know more than enough about my machine

    102. GregoryRasputin
      03-29-2011
      01:44 PM
      102

      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      yes! nice answer, just shows how much you know about the machine you own!
      Because i know my history on the PS3, i will posts some quotes from the masters of the PS3.

      Quote 1.
      This is a quote from the father of the Playstation, its creator, its originator, so you know, he knows what the hell he is talking about:

      Originally Posted by Ken Kutaragi
      Since PS3 is a computer, there are no "models" but "configurations"", and continuing (though talking in the theoretical): "I think it's okay to release a [extended PS3] configuration every year!
      Quote 2.
      This is also from Ken Kutaragi
      Originally Posted by Ken Kutaragi
      As PS3 is a computer... it also wants to evolve. We'll want to upgrade the HDD size very soon - if new standards appear on the PC, we will want to support them. We may want the [Blu-ray] drive to [have a writable version upgrade].!

      Quote 3.
      This is from
      Originally Posted by Phil Harrison
      We believe that the PS3 will be the place where our users play games, watch films, browse the Web, and use other computer functions. The PlayStation 3 is a computer. We do not need the PC

      Now i know from your post's, you are the ignorant type, you will say both those guys are wrong to, but who cares, i guess we find it slightly amusing that you are being stupid about the whole thing.

    103. SuperDre
      03-29-2011
      01:55 PM
      103

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i laughed at that, very loud. its not a supercomputer because it only has 512mb of ram, windows 7 needs atleast a gig. on the other hand you might be able to install linux then virtualbox, but again the ram might hold it back. even if the ram was not a issue then you would still have problem because of the ps3 cpu architecture. windows 7 works on a x64 and x86, linux and ubunto just happen to have the right ppc to run on a ps3. thats why its not a supercomputer and thats why its a games console.

      dont act like we are idiots because we dont agree with the same as you. i have done my reading millions of times when my fav sites have been down. i read a article that said that the otheros was made for students, people got upset because when it was taken away in a update some of the students had not finished their work. when the university asked sony first they said for security reasons then they told them it was for safety reasons.
      i didnt dream all this up, then it would be rubbish. you read somewhere thats its a super computer, ive read somewhere its a games console. just because you disagree does not make you right!!!!!!

      enough said really!!!

      you replied whilst i was typing, as you can see by the above i was being sarcastic!
      i know more than enough about my machine
      You really have ABSOLUTELY no clue what you are talking about, most 'SuperComputers' don't run windows at all.. So because it can't run windows it isn't a supercomputer? what a dimwit you are.. A Supercomputer can also be a gamesconsole (if you write the correct software for it). also the ammount of memory isn't important to be called a supercomputer..

      just a few reading links for an ignorant B like you:

      http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/bu...ercomputer/220
      http://www.physorg.com/news148749271.html
      http://arstechnica.com/security/news...er-efforts.ars
      http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/05/07/...uter-clusters/
      http://www.ps3cluster.umassd.edu/

      http://www.ps3station.com/playstatio...rcomputer.html


      Now, I go watch a movie or play a game on my supercomputer..

    104. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      02:06 PM
      104

      i might have read wrong again but didnt the creator of the ps3 also say it was unhackable?

      maybe thats me reading it wrong again!
      the ps3 has some of the same funtion of a pc, but its not a computer!

      a definition of a computer is not to play games and upgrade a hdd. the definition of a computer is a programmeable machine that respond to new instructions that it is given. a ps3 cannot do this.
      a computer can execute a programmed list of instructions. a ps3 cannot do this.
      a pc can have its internal organs ripped out, upgraded and so on. a ps3 cannot do this.

      im pretty sure the handfull of people you have picked out know there buisness, and see the ps3 in a different light to......lets say a zx spectrum. but to compare the ps3 as a computer as its known today, they are wrong.
      the main fundimental reason why the ps3 is not a computer is for the following reasons:
      the ps3 cannot have all its parts upgraded and changed. a pc can
      the ps3 cannot run and install a endless catalogue of programmes for its os. a pc can
      the ps3 can not have its os changed at the owners will. the pc can
      on the other hand the ps3 is a multimedia player with web browsing capabilities, which by the way i cannot change it to google chrome like i can with my pc

      if the ps3 was just a extension of the dual core 4 gig laptop i have on my knee then why would i pay £300 for a ps3 when i can buy a pc for half the money?

      the ps3 is a awesomw games console not a super......s******!!!....computer!!!

      @superdre, i didnt say that a supercomputer runs windows 7, these arguements are getting better and better. but, ill bet you my sony playstation games console that i can install anything on a supercomputer that i tell it to. for some reason my games console wont let me do that
      all i will say i must have been robbed when i bought my games console. a super computer with 512mb or ram, i was ripped off. i demand my money back from sony.
      i love it, the first link you posted."take 8.......8 ps3's", hahahahahahahahahahaha
      if i glued 3 mini's together im sure i could make a people carrier, hahahahahahha, does not make it a people carrier it makes it 3 minis stuck together to look like a people carrier......8 ps3's. so your arguement now is that my ps3 is not a super computer, but if i connect 8 together.....hahahahahahahaha!
      and the second link.....8, if memory is not a issue then maybe my laptop could be turned into a super computer, or even.........my ps3 with 512mb of ram not the 1-3petabyte that is needed. well. well well, you learn something new everyday.
      the reason why the links you gave says you need 8 ps3's is because portentially all the ram added together will make a blacked amount of ram, and with the technically know how you could use that 8 ps3's combined abilities to make a super computer....ish!
      do i even need to read anymore?

    105. GregoryRasputin
      03-29-2011
      02:10 PM
      105

      Great post SuperDre, that last link is what ive been looking for, for my PS3 history, thanks.

      Id also like to add something further.
      What is a Supercomputer:
      ""A supercomputer is a computer that is at the frontline of current processing capacity, particularly speed of calculation.""
      Note that that says PROCESSING CAPACITY, it doesn't mention ram, why because ram isn't necessarily important.

      What Operating Systems do Supercomputers run:
      ""Supercomputers today most often use variants of Linux""
      You notice the word LINUX.

      Both the above quotes, explain exactly what the PS3 is.

    106. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      02:55 PM
      106

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      Great post SuperDre, that last link is what ive been looking for, for my PS3 history, thanks.

      Id also like to add something further.
      What is a Supercomputer:
      ""A supercomputer is a computer that is at the frontline of current processing capacity, particularly speed of calculation.""
      Note that that says PROCESSING CAPACITY, it doesn't mention ram, why because ram isn't necessarily important.

      What Operating Systems do Supercomputers run:
      ""Supercomputers today most often use variants of Linux""
      You notice the word LINUX.

      Both the above quotes, explain exactly what the PS3 is.
      again your arguments get worse and worse. so ram is not a neeeded to build a supercomputer!
      if something can install linux then its a supercomputer.

      my 10 month old son plays with a supercomputer!!!!....wow!
      a bus has seats and so does my car that makes it bus.hahaha
      you are just using stupid comparisons to try and win a pointless arguement. i thinks its a games console you think its a super computer, good luck to you!
      but i dont mind continueing.
      so its not power or what you can get a machine to do its the fact it can install linux that makes it a super computer.
      im still laughing at a quote from the maker of the ps3, like anything he says can be taken as gospel

    107. japsander
      03-29-2011
      02:59 PM
      107

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i might have read wrong again but didnt the creator of the ps3 also say it was unhackable?

      maybe thats me reading it wrong again!
      the ps3 has some of the same funtion of a pc, but its not a computer!

      a definition of a computer is not to play games and upgrade a hdd. the definition of a computer is a programmeable machine that respond to new instructions that it is given. a ps3 cannot do this.
      a computer can execute a programmed list of instructions. a ps3 cannot do this.
      a pc can have its internal organs ripped out, upgraded and so on. a ps3 cannot do this.

      im pretty sure the handfull of people you have picked out know there buisness, and see the ps3 in a different light to......lets say a zx spectrum. but to compare the ps3 as a computer as its known today, they are wrong.
      the main fundimental reason why the ps3 is not a computer is for the following reasons:
      the ps3 cannot have all its parts upgraded and changed. a pc can
      the ps3 cannot run and install a endless catalogue of programmes for its os. a pc can
      the ps3 can not have its os changed at the owners will. the pc can
      on the other hand the ps3 is a multimedia player with web browsing capabilities, which by the way i cannot change it to google chrome like i can with my pc

      if the ps3 was just a extension of the dual core 4 gig laptop i have on my knee then why would i pay £300 for a ps3 when i can buy a pc for half the money?

      the ps3 is a awesomw games console not a super......s******!!!....computer!!!

      @superdre, i didnt say that a supercomputer runs windows 7, these arguements are getting better and better. but, ill bet you my sony playstation games console that i can install anything on a supercomputer that i tell it to. for some reason my games console wont let me do that
      all i will say i must have been robbed when i bought my games console. a super computer with 512mb or ram, i was ripped off. i demand my money back from sony.
      i love it, the first link you posted."take 8.......8 ps3's", hahahahahahahahahahaha
      if i glued 3 mini's together im sure i could make a people carrier, hahahahahahha, does not make it a people carrier it makes it 3 minis stuck together to look like a people carrier......8 ps3's. so your arguement now is that my ps3 is not a super computer, but if i connect 8 together.....hahahahahahahaha!
      and the second link.....8, if memory is not a issue then maybe my laptop could be turned into a super computer, or even.........my ps3 with 512mb of ram not the 1-3petabyte that is needed. well. well well, you learn something new everyday.
      the reason why the links you gave says you need 8 ps3's is because portentially all the ram added together will make a blacked amount of ram, and with the technically know how you could use that 8 ps3's combined abilities to make a super computer....ish!
      do i even need to read anymore?

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      programmeable machine that respond to new instructions that it is given
      in one word, everything that has happened homebrew wise, CFW wise is new and new fw updates etc are new

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      a pc can have its internal organs ripped out, upgraded and so on. a ps3 cannot do this.
      we are not talking about an everyday home, upgradeable pc, rip your laptop/netbook open and upgrade all of its components if it is a real computer

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      if the ps3 was just a extension of the dual core 4 gig laptop i have on my knee then why would i pay £300 for a ps3 when i can buy a pc for half the money?
      by what you say, that what you have on your lap is not a computer either

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      the ps3 cannot run and install a endless catalogue of programmes for its os. a pc can
      incorrect, linux can install almost any app and run it with no problems


      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      the ps3 can not have its os changed at the owners will. the pc can
      on the other hand the ps3 is a multimedia player with web browsing capabilities, which by the way i cannot change it to google chrome like i can with my pc
      linux has any browser you want, different distros of linux, almost every app there is for linux could be run on the ps3. how is this not a computer?

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      if memory is not a issue then maybe my laptop could be turned into a super computer
      you make your computer handle a cell cpu and it will happen


      you really have no idea what you are talking about im afraid.
      a computer doesnt need to be able to be upgraded hardware wise like a standard pc, is a laptop a computer, or how about a solid state pc? of course they are. what about the computer systems in a car/aeroplane/missile etc, the list goes on. just because you are blinded by the stereotypical pc in most peoples houses does not take away the fact that the ps3 "was/should still be" a computer.

      compare the speed of cell cpu and the ram the ps3 uses to your ram and cpu in your pc.

    108. GregoryRasputin
      03-29-2011
      03:00 PM
      108

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      you are just using stupid comparisons to try and win a pointless arguement.

      Im glad that you acknowledge that it is a pointless argument, simply because you have had your brain electrocuted and don't understand anything...

    109. samson
      03-29-2011
      03:00 PM
      109

      @ englishtrog

      DUDE i beg you please go educate yourself on otherOS, linux, why sony sucks.. and why graf is a true god-like genius super hero
      (writing drivers in his head... wtf .. how???)
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_on_the_PlayStation_3
      follow the links and USE google well, spend a few days, weeks .. look up the ps3's hardware .. rsx, the ibm cell and how it works in a way that it is future-proof and how sony restricted it!! READ what it can do.. AND WILL DO better with grafs work.. (read his blog & his comments) your just making yourself look more foolish with every pointless post.

      guys just dont feed XD you cant stop people being waaaaay to stupid for there own good..

    110. japsander
      03-29-2011
      03:07 PM
      110

      Originally Posted by samson
      you cant stop people being waaaaay to stupid for there own good..
      no, but it gives you a sense of wellbeing in educating them to their own ignorance sometimes.

      if someone buys it as a console then thats all they will ever see it as.
      if they are ignorant to the actual real world possibilities of the hardware and architecture, they cant be blamed but to call those "in the know" wrong is just plain rude.

      you wouldnt call failoverfl0w and graf_chokolo stupid and wrong. after all, they are the ones with the knowledge that we need and they all know the power in the ps3 and they are the ones who are bringing it back with avengeance

      but if this guy wants to use it only for what he "believed" it was then fair play

    111. Sidewinder_2011
      03-29-2011
      03:09 PM
      111

      @ englishtrog you say which by the way i cannot change it to google chrome like i can with my pc

      look like u dont know much about pc iver .origanal on a pc you could never install any 3rd party software , microsoft was agaist it just like sony is with the ps3 and guess what there was a court case cos microsoft want only there software on the pc just like sony with the ps3 ,your probley too stuiped to guess what the out come in the court case was , microsoft lost and well now we can legal install 3rd party software on out pc , so when it becomes legal to jailbreak our ps3 and devs cam make what they like for the ps3 and not get sued then u will see lot coming to the ps3.

    112. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      03:11 PM
      112

      Originally Posted by samson
      @ englishtrog

      DUDE i beg you please go educate yourself on otherOS, linux, why sony sucks.. and why graf is a true god-like genius super hero
      (writing drivers in his head... wtf .. how???)
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_on_the_PlayStation_3
      follow the links and USE google well, spend a few days, weeks .. look up the ps3's hardware .. rsx, the ibm cell and how it works in a way that it is future-proof and how sony restricted it!! READ what it can do.. AND WILL DO better with grafs work.. (read his blog & his comments) your just making yourself look more foolish with every pointless post.

      guys just dont feed XD you cant stop people being waaaaay to stupid for there own good..
      i must be stupid because i have missed all the news of this super computer, the army needed nearly 2000 ps3's, a prof used 80 ps3's but you guys are telling me that 1 ps3 is a supercomputer because it can run linux, i mean only run linux.
      send me the links that will convince me that 1 ps3 is a supercomputer!!!
      there isnt any!!
      a ps3 has pc capabilities, thats it!

      @carldenning, now i dont know what a pc is....well well well.
      im sure i had a few pc's when i was a kid that were code input based. thats the definition of a pc, a ps3 cannot do that. i must have dreamt that too. just because you disagree does not make you right, i think ive said that!
      and you wont see a lot more coming to the ps3 because what can you make that my pc wont do?, or what i think it can do because i dont know pc's neither. people will not ditch a dual core 4 gig pc for a ps3 with linux, i giggled a little there!

      @japsander, i watched the 45min video that failoverflow made. and not once did i hear them meantion the new super computer capabilities. i must need educating, to hear things people dont say. its not just about full capabilities, its about what benefits can be made from these capabilities, and from what i can personally see there is nothing, but hey that makes me wrong.....right?

    113. GregoryRasputin
      03-29-2011
      03:13 PM
      113

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i must be stupid

      Yeah i think that's what we are are trying to tell you.

    114. Sidewinder_2011
      03-29-2011
      03:17 PM
      114

      @ englishtrog o yeah u can install google chrome on a ps3 via linux

    115. japsander
      03-29-2011
      03:17 PM
      115

      @englishtrog

      go read there and then drop the matter. if that is not a supercomputer, especially so for however old it is then what is?
      http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthre...than-i7-965-XE

    116. samson
      03-29-2011
      03:21 PM
      116

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      send me the links that will convince me that 1 ps3 is a supercomputer!!!
      there isnt any!!
      a ps3 has pc capabilities, thats it!
      http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-PS3

    117. japsander
      03-29-2011
      03:25 PM
      117

      Originally Posted by samson
      http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-PS3
      Starting in 2006, we began looking forward to another major advance in capabilities. This advance utilizes the new Cell processor in Sony's PLAYSTATION 3 (PS3) to achieve performance previously only possible on supercomputers

      above is the part that should be highlighted to make this point.

      if you still do not agree englishtrog then obviously you should contact all of these people and school them personally as they obviously have no concept of what the hardware is possible of

    118. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      03:32 PM
      118

      @carldenning, google chrome was a example of the difference between a ps3 and a pc. will look forward to safari with ihackintosh then, it wont happen because the ps3 does not have the capabilities.

      @japsander, that does not say its a supercomputer, it says the ps3 has a cell prossesor previously only seen in supercomputers. this does not mean they dont know what they are talking about. nowhere does anyone of them say therefore the ps3 is a supercomputer. there was no need to copy i read it.
      listen if there is something there that tells me that a ps3 is not a games console its a supercomputer, not has a cell like we have only seen in a supercomputer, not 80 put together, i would be convinced and i would hold my hands up and say you are right, but your not!

      @samson,that does not say my ps3 is a supercomputer, its asking to link ps3's to make a supercomputer.

    119. japsander
      03-29-2011
      03:35 PM
      119

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      @carldenning, google chrome was a example of the difference between a ps3 and a pc. will look forward to safari with ihackintosh then, it wont happen because the ps3 does not have the capabilities.

      @japsander, that does not say its a supercomputer, it says the ps3 has a cell prossesor previously only seen in supercomputers.

      @samson,that does not say my ps3 is a supercomputer, its asking to link ps3's to make a supercomputer.
      you define a supercomputer.
      you have info that clearly atates that "PS3 Cell Faster than Core i7 965 XE"

      when the ps3 first came out, what would the Core i7 965 XE be classed as??

      and as for your complete misunderstanding of the "linking"
      the cell cpu before ps3 was only seen in supercomputers. the cpu is the heart of the computer.

      link them together makes a cluster of supercomputers. remote computers connected over the internet do not make a single computer, how can you even think that??

      http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ne...ssupercomputer

    120. Sidewinder_2011
      03-29-2011
      03:37 PM
      120

      englishtrog you can install Safari on a ps3 via linux

    121. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      03:43 PM
      121

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      englishtrog you can install Safari on a ps3 via linux
      i think you will find safari and google chrome needs directx 9 which linux does not use.....supercomputer!!!!
      hahahahahahahahahahaha

    122. GregoryRasputin
      03-29-2011
      03:44 PM
      122

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      f linux came first then with emulators etc and then we got cfw i could see the point of os.

      You see that is the thing, with Linux on the PS3, we were able to play Emulators, we were able to do all that stuff before CFW came along, as i said, educate yourself, you will end up looking less stupid

    123. japsander
      03-29-2011
      03:46 PM
      123

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i think you will find safari and google chrome needs directx 9 which linux does not use.....supercomputer!!!!
      hahahahahahahahahahaha
      http://www.google.com/chrome?platform=linux
      http://www.junauza.com/2010/02/insta...fari-4-on.html
      now shut up

    124. Sidewinder_2011
      03-29-2011
      03:48 PM
      124

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i think you will find safari and google chrome needs directx 9 which linux does not use.....supercomputer!!!!
      hahahahahahahahahahaha
      http://www.google.com/chrome?platform=linux

      http://www.junauza.com/2010/02/insta...fari-4-on.html

      http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008...untu-with.html

    125. SuperDre
      03-29-2011
      03:49 PM
      125

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      maybe thats me reading it wrong again!
      the ps3 has some of the same funtion of a pc, but its not a computer!

      a definition of a computer is not to play games and upgrade a hdd. the definition of a computer is a programmeable machine that respond to new instructions that it is given. a ps3 cannot do this.
      a computer can execute a programmed list of instructions. a ps3 cannot do this.
      Hmmmm.. So games just magically appear on the PS3, being able to play movies on the PS3 also just appears out of nowhere... this, is really getting ridiculous, you really REALLY have no clue to what a computer is... EVERY GAMESCONSOLE IS A COMPUTER YOU MORON!!!! Your mobile is a computer.. Your calculator is a computer..... Upgradability hasn't got anything to do with a computer.. a PC is a computer but a computer isn't always a pc (you know the P in PC stands for PERSONAL)..

      You just have a very misunderstanding of what a computer is.. I guess you are just 10 years old or something.. but then again you magically heard of the ZX spectrum so I presume you are a bit older, like say 12, because that's what I can gather from your unintelligent posts.. but I just gather you are nothing but a troll...

    126. Sidewinder_2011
      03-29-2011
      03:49 PM
      126

      Originally Posted by japsander
      http://www.google.com/chrome?platform=linux
      http://www.junauza.com/2010/02/insta...fari-4-on.html
      now shut up
      same links i got

    127. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      03:49 PM
      127

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      You see that is the thing, with Linux on the PS3, we were able to play Emulators, we were able to do all that stuff before CFW came along, as i said, educate yourself, you will end up looking less stupid
      gameboy emulator?
      you copied part of the quote, the point was if linux was such a thing that everyone wanted for the supercomputer....hahahahaha, then why has it taken longer to get a linux running on a ps3 but cfws took less time, i shall tell you why. cfw was made with pirates in mind nothing else, even failoverflow took the credit for piracy capabilities.
      i still dont get why i look stupid because i see the ps3 as a games console!

      quoteyou define a supercomputer.
      you have info that clearly atates that "PS3 Cell Faster than Core i7 965 XE"

      when the ps3 first came out, what would the Core i7 965 XE be classed as??

      and as for your complete misunderstanding of the "linking"
      the cell cpu before ps3 was only seen in supercomputers. the cpu is the heart of the computer.

      link them together makes a cluster of supercomputers. remote computers connected over the internet do not make a single computer, how can you even think that??

      if you link 300 ps3's together then im sure it will make a kick arse system, but the one i have at home is a games console with the ability of installing linux. simple!

      @carldenning, have you read the replies with people having problems and people having to manually update, how do you think that will be possible on a ps3?
      crashing........
      crashing........
      netflex not working......

      bad examples guys!

      Hmmmm.. So games just magically appear on the PS3, being able to play movies on the PS3 also just appears out of nowhere... this, is really getting ridiculous, you really REALLY have no clue to what a computer is... EVERY GAMESCONSOLE IS A COMPUTER YOU MORON!!!! Your mobile is a computer.. Your calculator is a computer..... Upgradability hasn't got anything to do with a computer.. a PC is a computer but a computer isn't always a pc (you know the P in PC stands for PERSONAL)..

      You just have a very misunderstanding of what a computer is.. I guess you are just 10 years old or something.. but then again you magically heard of the ZX spectrum so I presume you are a bit older, like say 12, because that's what I can gather from your unintelligent posts.. but I just gather you are nothing but a troll...

      Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php...#ixzz1I1Ym9HKd

      some......some mobile phones are up there to be called a hand held pc, this one my son plays with is a computer.......

      i dont think txt messages are the same as code.
      i magically heard of a zx spectrum, so........what i said a pc can do is wrong, what i said a ps3 cannot do is wrong, what i said my kids mobile phone is wrong......and cause i dont see a supercomputer i see a ps3 im wrong, gotcha!
      computers!!!
      every games console is not a pc,sorry computer. the dreamcast was the first games console with pc...sorry computer capabilities, through time the games consoles have become better and faster but with always games in mind. because you stick linux on it does not make it a supercomputer, i must be a moron!

    128. GregoryRasputin
      03-29-2011
      03:49 PM
      128

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i think you will find safari and google chrome needs directx 9 which linux does not use.....supercomputer!!!!
      hahahahahahahahahahaha

      ROFLMAO you silly silly boy.

      Google Chrome - Get a fast new browser. For PC, Mac and Linux.
      http://www.google.com/chrome?platform=linux
      Oh dear does that just happen to be a link for Google Chrome on Linux O.o

    129. japsander
      03-29-2011
      03:50 PM
      129

      this is going to be a long night

    130. GregoryRasputin
      03-29-2011
      03:52 PM
      130

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      then why has it taken longer to get a linux running on a ps3 but cfws took less time,

      What the hell are you talking about, Linux was on the PS3 long before CFW came along, four damn years before CFW came along and on PS3 Linux you can play Snes, Nes, Mega Drive etc.

    131. japsander
      03-29-2011
      03:54 PM
      131

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      if you link 300 ps3's together then im sure it will make a kick arse system, but the one i have at home is a games console with the ability of installing linux. simple!
      i hope you dont mind but im going to send these organisations a link to this thread so they can have a little chuckle

    132. Pockets69
      03-29-2011
      03:56 PM
      132

      hey make sure to send this link to devs too, they will have a laugh!

    133. GregoryRasputin
      03-29-2011
      03:58 PM
      133

      I think he lost any credibility he had with the Google Chrome statement

    134. madshaun1984
      03-29-2011
      04:00 PM
      134

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      if the ps3 is not a games console then what is it?
      cause i use mine for playing games!
      You said it yourself, you use yours for mainly games, others use theirs for mainly music, others for mainly watching movies, then theres even the load that just use it for otheros.

      The Playstation 3 is a multimedia device (or entertainment computer) not just a games console!!!

      Just becuase you use it for games, doesnt make it just a games console.

      Argue it all you want, you'll just make yourself look stupid.

    135. samson
      03-29-2011
      04:11 PM
      135



      XD

    136. Pockets69
      03-29-2011
      04:13 PM
      136

      Originally Posted by madshaun1984
      Argue it all you want, you'll just make yourself look stupid.
      thats what he has been doing the whole thread, when we quote ken kuturagi he says the guy is not telling the truth, the ****ing father of the machine is lying about what he wanted the ps3 to be... this is crazy...

    137. madshaun1984
      03-29-2011
      04:15 PM
      137

      All I can say is, this **** should be tweeted, I had a good old laugh at it, so would many many others xD

    138. Pockets69
      03-29-2011
      04:17 PM
      138

      we have been twitting about it! XD

    139. Hailfire101
      03-29-2011
      04:19 PM
      139

      I had to log in and leave a comment.
      I'm sorry, but that Englishtrog is a troll. NO ONE... is that f*cking dumb.

      He's blatently ignoring people, who know far more than he does. Only trolls do this.

      If you really are that dumb Mr Englishtrog, please... kill yourself and give evolution a helping hand.

    140. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      04:25 PM
      140

      Originally Posted by madshaun1984
      You said it yourself, you use yours for mainly games, others use theirs for mainly music, others for mainly watching movies, then theres even the load that just use it for otheros.

      The Playstation 3 is a multimedia device (or entertainment computer) not just a games console!!!

      Just becuase you use it for games, doesnt make it just a games console.

      Argue it all you want, you'll just make yourself look stupid.
      thats been the arguement all the way through, i see it is a games console everybody else see it as a supercomputer, not a entertainment computer. their argeument has been because i dont see the link between supercomputer and ps3, this makes me a moron. ive said it before, i would love to have bought a supercomputer for £150, but i dont see it.......twitter that

      @Hailfire101, why am i troll because i dont agree with supercomputer(hahahahaha) and ps3 conection. its not!
      you should read all the replies. say its not a supercomputer and give rreasons why, the arguement changes, then i answer that then it changes again, but im a troll.......how?

    141. Hailfire101
      03-29-2011
      04:30 PM
      141

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i say its not a supercomputer and give rreasons why

      http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-...rcomputer.html

      Now F*ck off.

    142. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      04:38 PM
      142

      Originally Posted by Hailfire101
      http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-...rcomputer.html

      Now F*ck off.
      language please, thats old news thats not 1 ps3 is a supper computer, thats 1760 ps3's connected together to make a supercomputer!

    143. madshaun1984
      03-29-2011
      04:38 PM
      143

      @ englishtrog, the ps3 is actually both and much more, its a supercomputer because the cell processor is capable of extremely fast calculations when used in such a way. It a games console becaus eit plays games, and its a media device because you can watch films/tv and listen to music on it.

      Sony didnt sell it as a just a games console, so you are in some ways correct (due to the fact it does play games), but you are actually wrong when you say its a games console. Its not, its not been advertised as one, and you didnt buy a games console when you purchased it (in your head you may of thought that though). You bought a sony computer entertainment device. (check the ps3's original packaging to confirm that for yourself).

    144. japsander
      03-29-2011
      04:45 PM
      144

      Originally Posted by madshaun1984
      @ englishtrog, the ps3 is actually both and much more, its a supercomputer because the cell processor is capable of extremely fast calculations when used in such a way. It a games console becaus eit plays games, and its a media device because you can watch films/tv and listen to music on it.

      Sony didnt sell it as a just a games console, so you are in some ways correct (due to the fact it does play games), but you are actually wrong when you say its a games console. Its not, its not been advertised as one, and you didnt buy a games console when you purchased it (in your head you may of thought that though). You bought a sony computer entertainment device. (check the ps3's original packaging to confirm that for yourself).
      if he bought a slim, he did buy it as a console mainly but he doesnt understand anything before sony switched from otheros as the slim wasnt sold with full computer capabilities

    145. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      04:48 PM
      145

      Originally Posted by madshaun1984
      @ englishtrog, the ps3 is actually both and much more, its a supercomputer because the cell processor is capable of extremely fast calculations when used in such a way. It a games console becaus eit plays games, and its a media device because you can watch films/tv and listen to music on it.

      Sony didnt sell it as a just a games console, so you are in some ways correct (due to the fact it does play games), but you are actually wrong when you say its a games console. Its not, its not been advertised as one, and you didnt buy a games console when you purchased it (in your head you may of thought that though). You bought a sony computer entertainment device. (check the ps3's original packaging to confirm that for yourself).
      again, 100% agree, its a games console for what i use it for but its a entertainment system because it plays games movies music and stores pictures.
      but its not a supercomputer, the cell processor has been compared to the same used in a supercomputer. thats a kick a$$ processor but it was fitted to run crisper clearer better faster games. it takes more than a processor to make a supercomputer, and 512mb ram is not it!

      @japsander, i have a slim but i dont think thats it. i have been aware of othos, linux for some time. its what i see my console as. i see it as a kick arse games console. i carnt get my head around the supercomputer idea, not with 512mb and not with linux.

    146. japsander
      03-29-2011
      04:51 PM
      146

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      again, 100% agree, its a games console for what i use it for but its a entertainment system because it plays games movies music and stores pictures.
      but its not a supercomputer, the cell processor has been compared to the same used in a supercomputer. thats a kick a$$ processor but it was fitted to run crisper clearer better faster games. it takes more than a processor to make a supercomputer, and 512mb ram is not it!
      you see, you think of performance as size.
      im sure youve heard the saying "its not the size that matters, its what you do with it"

    147. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      05:01 PM
      147

      Originally Posted by japsander
      you see, you think of performance as size.
      im sure youve heard the saying "its not the size that matters, its what you do with it"
      again i agree, if i use my 4 gig for all the rubbish i can find then my 4 gig will go from fast to crawl in no time.
      i must be ignorant, i dont see the supercomputer 512mb connection, i see the cell processor conection, but thats where it ends for me

    148. Pockets69
      03-29-2011
      05:05 PM
      148

      let me ask you this? what is the point of having a supercomputer? millions of calculations per second right? meaning High Processing power!!! why the hell did you switch to the ram talk now??
      you see the cell processor connection right? well that is enough to call it a super computer you don't need to see any other connection!

      Are we done?

    149. japsander
      03-29-2011
      05:07 PM
      149

      the faster the ram, the less you need.
      and its 256mb for system and 256mb for RSX use but even with just 256mb ram for the cpu, the speed of it can pass data fast enough so as not be a bottleneck.

      in a normal pc, data is loaded into ram, the more ram you have, the faster the computer can access that data.

      the ps3 ram is fast enough to load data as and when needed without needing to store it for faster access

      that is the simplest way i can explain it

    150. madshaun1984
      03-29-2011
      05:08 PM
      150

      The ps3 uses 256mb GDDR3 ram and has 256mb video ram. GDDR3 is optimized for speed, so while being less suited to multitasking, when used on one application combined with the potential from the spe's (which have their own ram for calculations and such) you end up with a greatly improved system compared to a quad core system with 4gb ram purchased at the same time as the ps3.

      The ps3 has been used in super computer situations by the US army (search the site for more on that), and compared to a normal home computer, is infact, a supercomputer!.

      Please also bare in mind the ps3 is now 5 - 6 years old, and technology, has since, improved quite a bit. So this may no longer be the case, compared to some top end home pc's today.

    151. Wolfie708
      03-29-2011
      05:14 PM
      151

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      again i agree, if i use my 4 gig for all the rubbish i can find then my 4 gig will go from fast to crawl in no time.
      i must be ignorant, i dont see the supercomputer 512mb connection, i see the cell processor conection, but thats where it ends for me
      Will you do me ONE favour please?

      Change your name on here as I am English and you are embarrasing me!! PMSL

    152. japsander
      03-29-2011
      05:18 PM
      152

      at least the thread has calmed down now from an arguament to an explanation (how it should have been)

      im gonna get off for the night while the coast is clear xD

    153. samson
      03-29-2011
      05:30 PM
      153

      my face hurts from grinning.. that was like a nerd sitcom .. supper time XD

    154. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      05:31 PM
      154

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Will you do me ONE favour please?

      Change your name on here as I am English and you are embarrasing me!! PMSL
      and im a troll!
      you should read the other replies, that was my simple explaination, you should read the more complicated ones

      @samson, im not sure if thats a dig or a compliment

    155. Wolfie708
      03-29-2011
      05:33 PM
      155

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      and im a troll!
      Nooooooooooooooo. you is a Trog, much cuter HeeHee

      Ps That was not me saying I want to have little Trog babies with you
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      and im a troll!

      @samson, im not sure if thats a dig or a compliment
      Take it all as fun mate. In the end we all have different opinions and as long as it doesn't get nasty it can be a fun debate.

    156. madshaun1984
      03-29-2011
      05:35 PM
      156

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Nooooooooooooooo. you is a Trog, much cuter HeeHee

      Ps That was not me saying I want to have little Trog babies with you
      LIES! you want his troglets! xD

    157. Wolfie708
      03-29-2011
      05:36 PM
      157

      Originally Posted by madshaun1984
      LIES! you want his troglets! xD
      Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... I have an image to keep up

    158. englishtrog
      03-29-2011
      05:37 PM
      158

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Nooooooooooooooo. you is a Trog, much cuter HeeHee

      Ps That was not me saying I want to have little Trog babies with you
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************


      Take it all as fun mate. In the end we all have different opinions and as long as it doesn't get nasty it can be a fun debate.
      ive been trying to keep it as fun, but some people dont like difference, they just say thank you to replies but dont have a lot to say

    159. kakaroto
      03-29-2011
      10:30 PM
      159

      sorry, but.. I *HAVE* to answer...
      @english-troll : you are being a troll, and nothing more, the way you answer people, and your constant, childish "hahahahaha" at every sentence to which you disagree are making you a troll and making you look stupid.
      Why do you even register in this forum if it's just to go against every user in it ? If you don't agree, then just leave, go somewhere and leave the world in peace...
      Also, if I may suggest something, you said a couple of times that you have a 10 months old son.. my advice to you : give it to adoption before it's too late. I honestly hope that child doesn't end up being as brain-free as you, and it would do him service to give him up to a family that can actually educate him into not being a moron.

      Now, about your 'arguments'.. I can go back 10 pages and pick every single thing you said and show you clearly how wrong/stupid it was.. but I will refrain from doing that if I want to finish writing this tonight.
      I've seen many good arguments from people trying to explain to you where you are wrong, but you just don't seem to get it.. so I honestly believe that all of this that I'm writing is going to be a waste of my time as you will probably just ignore it, say something stupid again, add a little "(hahahahah)" to mock me, without realizing that you're mocking yourself, then life will go on.. however, I can't, in good conscience, leave here without trying at least to give you some insight into your own flawed logic.

      So here are the few things I can think of and my response to you :

      - You say it's a gaming console : yes, you are right, the PS3 *is* a gaming console.. that doesn't mean it's not something else.

      - You bought the PS3 for games, good for you, some people bought it only for watching bluray movies (at one point, it was the cheapest bluray player on the market), good for them, they'll say "the ps3 is a bluray player", they're not wrong either. But if they start telling you that you're stupid and ignorant and wrong because you say it's a gaming console, then you won't like it.

      - People here aren't telling you you're stupid because you think it's a gaming console, they're telling you that you're stupid because you disagree on the fact that it's a computer and you refuse to comprehend the simplest things, and because pretty much everything you said seemed to be written by the greek goddess of stupidity.

      - You say it's not a supercomputer because it can't run windows... because it only has 512MB of RAM (it actually has 256MB, not 512MB).. because it doesn't have directx 9, because you can't upgrade its components, etc.. that is just laughable.. you clearly have absolutely no understanding of what a super computer is...

      *WHAT IS A COMPUTER? That's the real first question.. a computer is *ANYTHING* that can COMPUTE, anything that can make a computation, something you give it a number or data and can transform it and give you the result. your calculator is a computer, your coffee machine has a computer in it (assuming it shows a clock, or has a timer to shut down, etc..).. your tv remote is a computer (you give it a button press, it computes an infrared frequency associated with the button and transmits it), etc..
      that's what a computer is... Some of these computers have a specific task (like your coffee machine's clock which only computes time or a timer), and others are "general purpose" computers, where you can actually tell it what task to do.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer

      *WHAT IS A PC? A PC is a "Personal Computer", and here is wikipedia's definition of "Personal Computer" :

      A personal computer (PC) is any general-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and original sales price make it useful for individuals
      So a PC is basically any computer that is "general purpose", which means you can make it do whatever you want instead of having a single task that it repeats, and that it's affordable by normal people (when the "PC" term was created, most computers, like IBM's mainframes for example, would cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars).
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer

      *WHAT IS A SUPER COMPUTER? Again from wikipedia :
      A supercomputer is a computer that is at the frontline of current processing capacity, particularly speed of calculation.
      So a super computer is basically just a computer, BUT one that can do ALOT more computations than its same-generation computers.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_computer

      *WHAT IS A CLUSTER? A cluster is a group of computers linked together to form a single, more powerful, computer.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_(computing)

      - Now that we got those definitions out of the way. first things first..
      can the PS3 do mathematical calculations? yes, so it's a computer!
      Is it general purpose ? Yes since it's processor is based on PowerPC.
      Is it affordable? Yes, so it is a Personal Computer (a PC)?
      Is its processing power superior to the standard of its generation ? It has a Dual core 3.2GHz PowerPC core with 7 separate 3.2GHz SPU Cores. It's 'generation' based on Moore's Law is in the 18-month span since it's release, and considering that we are now over 5 years later (so, at least 3 'computer generations' later, by Moore's Law), I believe that there aren't yet any substancial processors that have the same raw processing power of the PS3, so even to this date, it is a super computer, so it was definitely a super computer in 2005.
      By the way, IBM's BladeCenter server which is also based on the Cell BroadBand Engine (the same processor as the PS3) still costs 10.000$, and this is a quote from IBM's website about the BladeCenter system :
      IBM BladeCenter servers hold 17 positions of the top 100 energy-efficient supercomputers in the world; HP, Dell & Sun blade servers combined hold 2.
      So as you can see, the system itself, based on the Cell CPU, is still considered to date as one of the top supercomputers in the world (in terms of energy efficienty).

      When you start laughing like an idiot saying "EIGHT, hahaha" or "200 PS3S!!!" when you're trying to discredit the arguments of others concerning the PS3 supercomputers built by the DOD and other institutions, you fail to realize that ONE PS3 IS a supercomputer, but MANY PS3s together *form a cluster (as explained above)* which is in itself an even more powerful supercomputer, but that doesn't make a single PS3 any less a supercomputer.

      - When you talk about the RAM being only 512MB (256MB in reality), you fail to understand that RAM means absolutely nothing when it comes to computations. Why do you need RAM anyways? so a program can keep information in memory and access it quickly at a later time when needed. But when you want to do computation on data, how much data do you really need to keep in RAM? none.. even if the PS3 only had 1MB of RAM, it would still be a super computer, assuming that the computations it needs to do are on a small set of data. Any more than that is useless.
      This is why your argument is flawed.. noone said that the PS3 is a "memory bank", we said it's a "super computer" (see definitions above to see why memory has nothing to do with it).

      - You talk about it not being upgradable : can you change the CPU or the graphics card or even sometimes the RAM of your laptop? usually, no.. the macbook air, you can't even change the RAM or even the battery! does that mean "it's not a computer" ? no, it doesn't mean that.. upgradeability is unrelated to the status of a computation machine (again, see definitions above).

      - You say "it can't even run windows, hahahaha" : again, what you fail to understand is that, it's not "not a supercomputer" because it can't run windows, on the contrary "windows is a crappy operating system, it can't run on powerpc machines!".
      Back when Apple's computers were PowerPC, before their deal with Intel, you couldn't install windows on a Mac either.. does that mean that those G4 or G5 machines were "not a computer" because it can't run windows? no, that's a bull**** argument that only an ignorant would make!

      - About the "can't run windows since windows7 needs 1 GHz of RAM", that's also bull****, because again, windows 7 is crap, it's not sony's fault! in 1980, the world's best supercomputer probably didn't even have more than 128MB of RAM, does that mean that it wasn't a supercomputer because windows 7 can't be installed on it? Today's biggest and most expensive supercomputer that the military or some research lab has probably doesn't have enough RAM to run windows 100 that will be released in 2000 years.. it doesn't mean that it's not a supercomputer.. your arguments are pointless, because a supercomputer isn't about what it can run, it's about what it can do, and in comparison with contemporary machines.

      - You say "it doesn't support directx!" : that's also a stupid argument.. directX is a Microsoft API/specification that the graphics card needs to implement, nothing more. it's unrelated to the CPU, it only relates to the graphics card (GPU). I don't see any macs implementing it either, so what's your point ?

      - You say it's not a computer because you can't "run what you want" : that's also an invalid argument because yes you can run what you want, but Sony blocks you.. if I unplug your laptop, and remove the battery, then put it inside a safe, then you can't run your apps on it anymore, because I'm preventing you from doing it, but that doesn't make it any less a computer.
      Also, from launch, the PS3 allowed you to install any other operating system you want (if windows supported powerpc, then it could have been installed without any problems). It turns out that Linux is available, built for powerpc, so that's what we installed, and we could run whatever apps we wanted, firefox, safari, chrome, windows inside a virtual machine, anything. Then sony removed it, but the hardware is still the same, they didn't break the hardware, so the PS3 is still a super-computer, it simply is 'locked down'.

      - You say that otheros was "for students" because you read an article about it :
      Well, I've read an article about acid rain caused by pollution, doesn't mean that if I go out during rain, I will melt because of the acid!!! It's not because it says "students are using the ps3's linux OS" that "sony made the PS3 support linux for students"

      - you say crap about sony removing OtherOS support because they kept repairing ps3s.. I have no idea where you got that idea from.. I haven't heard of a single case, ever, where OtherOS caused any kind of damage to the system..
      If you really want to know why Sony removed Linux support.. I suggest you read this :
      http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...10310172538157
      http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...10311112544990

      I will finish with this little dissection of one of your funniest posts :
      a definition of a computer is not to play games and upgrade a hdd. the definition of a computer is a programmeable machine that respond to new instructions that it is given. a ps3 cannot do this.
      wrong definition, but still, not so bad.. however, yes, the ps can.. what do you think your games are? they are just a bunch of instructions that the ps3 interprets..

      a computer can execute a programmed list of instructions. a ps3 cannot do this.
      same argument here... your games are a programmed list of instructions.. if the ps3 can run a game, then by your definition, it's a computer.

      a pc can have its internal organs ripped out, upgraded and so on. a ps3 cannot do this.
      not true, see examples above, of laptops, netbooks, the macbook air, etc...
      but again, you can change the ps3's hard drive, which, by the way, is a standard 2.5" laptop hard drive...

      the ps3 cannot run and install a endless catalogue of programmes for its os. a pc can
      humm.. yes, it can.. didn't you notice all the games that keep popping up.. I never saw Sony say "sorry, we reached the limit, the ps3 can't run all our catalogue of games"..
      the ps3 can not have its os changed at the owners will. the pc can
      what do you think OtherOS is? it was another OS for the ps3.. what do you think you do when you upgrade your ps3's firmware from 3.55 to 3.60 for example.. you change it's OS...
      oh and btw.. that's not a definition of what a PC is...

      on the other hand the ps3 is a multimedia player with web browsing capabilities, which by the way i cannot change it to google chrome like i can with my pc
      you can't change it inside the XMB, not because it's not a PC or whatever, it's because sony prevents you from doing it... If microsoft wanted to prevent you from installing chrome/firefox/opera/safari, then you wouldn't be able to either. (I think they tried once and got their ass sued). BUT you can change it and put whatever browser you want in linux, an operating system that you can run on the PS3, an operating system which isn't locked down by Sony.

      I think that I've wasted enough time for now, but at least, I think I've made things very clear so you can stop fooling yourself. If you have anything more to say, other than acknowledging your complete ignorance of anything relating to this subject, then I suggest you keep it to yourself, you've humiliated yourself enough for one day.

      Good night,
      KaKaRoTo

    160. Annelies
      03-29-2011
      10:49 PM
      160

      Originally Posted by kakaroto
      sorry, but.. I *HAVE* to answer...
      @english-troll : you are being a troll, and nothing more, the way you answer people, and your constant, childish "hahahahaha" at every sentence to which you disagree are making you a troll and making you look stupid.
      Why do you even register in this forum if it's just to go against every user in it ? If you don't agree, then just leave, go somewhere and leave the world in peace...
      Also, if I may suggest something, you said a couple of times that you have a 10 months old son.. my advice to you : give it to adoption before it's too late. I honestly hope that child doesn't end up being as brain-free as you, and it would do him service to give him up to a family that can actually educate him into not being a moron.

      Now, about your 'arguments'.. I can go back 10 pages and pick every single thing you said and show you clearly how wrong/stupid it was.. but I will refrain from doing that if I want to finish writing this tonight.
      I've seen many good arguments from people trying to explain to you where you are wrong, but you just don't seem to get it.. so I honestly believe that all of this that I'm writing is going to be a waste of my time as you will probably just ignore it, say something stupid again, add a little "(hahahahah)" to mock me, without realizing that you're mocking yourself, then life will go on.. however, I can't, in good conscience, leave here without trying at least to give you some insight into your own flawed logic.

      So here are the few things I can think of and my response to you :

      - You say it's a gaming console : yes, you are right, the PS3 *is* a gaming console.. that doesn't mean it's not something else.

      - You bought the PS3 for games, good for you, some people bought it only for watching bluray movies (at one point, it was the cheapest bluray player on the market), good for them, they'll see "the ps3 is a bluray player", they're not wrong either. But if they start telling you that you're stupid and ignorant and wrong because you say it's a gaming console, then you won't like it.

      - People here aren't telling you you're stupid because you think it's a gaming console, they're telling you that you're stupid because you disagree on the fact that it's a computer and you refuse to comprehend the simplest things, and because pretty much everything you said seemed to be written by the greek goddess of stupidity.

      - You say it's not a supercomputer because it can't run windows... because it only has 512MB of RAM (it actually has 256MB, not 512MB).. because it doesn't have directx 9, because you can't upgrade its components, etc.. that is just laughable.. you clearly have absolutely no understanding of what a super computer is...

      *WHAT IS A COMPUTER? That's the real first question.. a computer is *ANYTHING* that can COMPUTE, anything that can make a computation, something you give it a number or data and can transform it and give you the result. your calculator is a computer, your coffee machine has a computer in it (assuming it shows a clock, or has a timer to shut down, etc..).. your tv remote is a computer (you give it a button press, it computes an infrared frequency associated with the button and transmits it), etc..
      that's what a computer is... Some of these computers have a specific task (like your coffee machine's clock which only computes time or a timer), and others are "general purpose" computers, where you can actually tell it what task to do.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer

      *WHAT IS A PC? A PC is a "Personal Computer", and here is wikipedia's definition of "Personal Computer" :

      So a PC is basically any computer that is "general purpose", which means you can make it do whatever you want instead of having a single task that it repeats, and that it's affordable by normal people (when the "PC" term was created, most computers, like IBM's mainframes for example, would cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars).
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer

      *WHAT IS A SUPER COMPUTER? Again from wikipedia :

      So a super computer is basically just a computer, BUT one that can do ALOT more computations than its same-generation computers.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_computer

      *WHAT IS A CLUSTER? A cluster is a group of computers linked together to form a single, more powerful, computer.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_(computing)

      - Now that we got those definitions out of the way. first things first..
      can the PS3 do mathematical calculations? yes, so it's a computer!
      Is it general purpose ? Yes since it's processor is based on PowerPC.
      Is it affordable? Yes, so it is a Personal Computer (a PC)?
      Is its processing power superior to the standard of its generation ? It has a Dual core 3.2GHz PowerPC core with 7 separate 3.2GHz SPU Cores. It's 'generation' based on Moore's Law is in the 18-month span since it's release, and considering that we are now over 5 years later (so, at least 3 'computer generations' later, by Moore's Law), I believe that there aren't yet any substancial processors that have the same raw processing power of the PS3, so even to this date, it is a super computer, so it was definitely a super computer in 2005.
      By the way, IBM's BladeCenter server which is also based on the Cell BroadBand Engine (the same processor as the PS3) still costs 10.000$, and this is a quote from IBM's website about the BladeCenter system :

      So as you can see, the system itself, based on the Cell CPU, is still considered todat as one of the top supercomputers in the world (in terms of energy efficienty).

      When you start laughing like an idiot saying "EIGHT, hahaha" or "200 PS3S!!!" when you're trying to discredit the arguments of others concerning the PS3 supercomputers built by the DOD and other institutions, you fail to realize that ONE PS3 IS a supercomputer, but MANY PS3s together *form a cluster (as explained above)* which is in itself an even more powerful supercomputer, but that doesn't make a single PS3 any less a supercomputer.

      - When you talk about the RAM being only 512MB (256MB in reality), you fail to understand that RAM means absolutely nothing when it comes to computations. Why do you need RAM anyways? so a program can keep information in memory and access it quickly at a later time when needed. But when you want to do computation on data, how much data do you really need to keep in RAM? none.. even if the PS3 only had 1MB of RAM, it would still be a super computer, assuming that the computations it needs to do are on a small set of data. Any more than that is useless.
      This is why your argument is flawed.. noone said that the PS3 is a "memory bank", we said it's a "super computer" (see definitions above to see why memory has nothing to do with it).

      - You talk about it not being upgradable : can you change the CPU or the graphics card or even sometimes the RAM of your laptop? usually, no.. the macbook air, you can't even change the RAM or even the battery! does that mean "it's not a computer" ? no, it doesn't mean that.. upgradeability is unrelated to the status of a computation machine (again, see definitions above).

      - You say "it can't even run windows, hahahaha" : again, what you fail to understand is that, it's not "not a supercomputer" because it can't run windows, on the contrary "windows is a crappy operating system, it can't run on powerpc machines!".
      Back when Apple's computers were PowerPC, before their deal with Intel, you couldn't install windows on a Mac either.. does that mean that those G4 or G5 machines were "not a computer" because it can't run windows? no, that's a bull**** argument that only an ignorant would make!

      - About the "can't run windows since windows7 needs 1 GHz of RAM", that's also bull****, because again, windows 7 is crap, it's not sony's fault! in 1980, the world's best supercomputer probably didn't even have more than 128MB of RAM, does that mean that it wasn't a supercomputer because windows 7 can't be installed on it? Today's biggest and most expensive supercomputer that the military or some research lab has probably doesn't have enough RAM to run windows 100 that will be released in 2000 years.. it doesn't mean that it's not a supercomputer.. your arguments are pointless, because a supercomputer isn't about what it can run, it's about what it can do, and in comparison with contemporary machines.

      - You say "it doesn't support directx!" : that's also a stupid argument.. directX is a Microsoft API/specification that the graphics card needs to implement, nothing more. it's unrelated to the CPU, it only relates to the graphics card (GPU). I don't see any macs implementing it either, so what's your point ?

      - You say it's not a computer because you can't "run what you want" : that's also an invalid argument because yes you can run what you want, but Sony blocks you.. if I unplug your laptop, and remove the battery, then put it inside a safe, then you can't run your apps on it anymore, because I'm preventing you from doing it, but that doesn't make it any less a computer.
      Also, from launch, the PS3 allowed you to install any other operating system you want (if windows supported powerpc, then it could have been installed without any problems). It turns out that Linux is available, built for powerpc, so that's what we installed, and we could run whatever apps we wanted, firefox, safari, chrome, windows inside a virtual machine, anything. Then sony removed it, but the hardware is still the same, they didn't break the hardware, so the PS3 is still a super-computer, it simply is 'locked down'.

      - You say that otheros was "for students" because you read an article about it :
      Well, I've read an article about acid rain caused by pollution, doesn't mean that if I go out during rain, I will melt because of the acid!!! It's not because it says "students are using the ps3's linux OS" that "sony made the PS3 support linux for students"

      - you say crap about sony removing OtherOS support because they kept repairing ps3s.. I have no idea where you got that idea from.. I haven't heard of a single case, ever, where OtherOS caused any kind of damage to the system..
      If you really want to know why Sony removed Linux support.. I suggest you read this :
      http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...10310172538157
      http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...10311112544990

      I will finish with this little dissection of one of your funniest posts :

      wrong definition, but still, not so bad.. however, yes, the ps can.. what do you think your games are? they are just a bunch of instructions that the ps3 interprets..


      same argument here... your games are a programmed list of instructions.. if the ps3 can run a game, then by your definition, it's a computer.


      not true, see examples above, of laptops, netbooks, the macbook air, etc...
      but again, you can change the ps3's hard drive, which, by the way, is a standard 2.5" laptop hard drive...


      humm.. yes, it can.. didn't you notice all the games that keep popping up.. I never saw Sony say "sorry, we reached the limit, the ps3 can't run all our catalogue of games"..

      what do you think OtherOS is? it was another OS for the ps3.. what do you think you do when you upgrade your ps3's firmware from 3.55 to 3.60 for example.. you change it's OS...
      oh and btw.. that's not a definition of what a PC is...


      you can't change it inside the XMB, not because it's not a PC or whatever, it's because sony prevents you from doing it... If microsoft wanted to prevent you from installing chrome/firefox/opera/safari, then you wouldn't be able to either. (I think they tried once and got their ass sued). BUT you can change it and put whatever browser you want in linux, an operating system that you can run on the PS3, an operating system which isn't locked down by Sony.

      I think that I've wasted enough time for now, but at least, I think I've made things very clear so you can stop fooling yourself. If you have anything more to say, other than acknowledging your complete ignorance of anything relating to this subject, then I suggest you keep it to yourself, you've humiliated yourself enough for one day.

      Good night,
      KaKaRoTo
      Wow. What a post.

      This definitely was worth the read! I highly recommended anyone skipping this because it's too long re-think their decision. This is amazing. I couldn't have said this any better myself!

    161. a1ihan0
      03-29-2011
      10:58 PM
      161

      I've been reading and laughing about this thread all day long now...as for you Englishtrog, it's just shameful that your ignorance runs so deep and so true that it takes such a well known and respected dev to take time away from the work that everyone is waiting on to set you in your place.

    162. japsander
      03-30-2011
      12:48 AM
      162

      kakaroto thankyou very much.

    163. pbanj
      03-30-2011
      12:56 AM
      163

      kakaroto
      that just made my day

    164. Pockets69
      03-30-2011
      01:35 AM
      164

      Kakaroto just made my day! but why do i see him coming back with a hahaha in a few hours... :S

      so who is up for caping englishtrol post count? i think he did this for the post cout XD

    165. englishtrog
      03-30-2011
      02:01 AM
      165

      im bored of it, i think its a kick arse games console, you think its a supercomputer, im happy with that!

    166. euss
      03-30-2011
      02:01 AM
      166

      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      Kakaroto just made my day! but why do i see him coming back with a hahaha in a few hours... :S
      that would only prove he is not interested in facts or truth, but only seeding ignorance and trolling...



      Anyone capable enough to use Google or read Wikipedia is empowered enough to educate themselves lightyears ahead.

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      im bored of it, i think its a kick arse games console, you think its a supercomputer, im happy with that!
      The boredom proves to me you're not a superuser with a supercomputer, but a gamer bored he can't pirate his way into PSN and decides to kick arse (and fails) on a forum where he is outclassed by the scene & hackers he is begging for a new exploit to find for his spoonfeeding machine.

      BTW your signature "Exhibit This in the courtroom......" > look up "supercomputer" + "computer" in the geohot and otherOS courtpapers be amazed how many times it is mentioned..

      look up what the C in the acronym SCEI means before arguing (& failing) that it's not a computer nor a supercomputer

      Oh and to give you food for though, here is a Playstion 2 quote:

      "The National Center for Supercomputing Applications and the Computer Science department at the University of Illinois are exploring the use of the Sony Playstation 2 game console for scientific computing and high-resolution visualization. The PS2's Emotion Engine CPU has two "vector units" that are designed to manipulate 3-D polygon graphics for gaming. Sony's Linux Kit (for Playstation 2) provides programmers direct access to the vector units in the CPU, allowing them to be used for these non-graphics tasks. - http://arrakis.ncsa.uiuc.edu/ps2/"

      "Playstation 2: Computational Cluster

      The National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) has constructed a Playstation 2 Linux cluster as a test bench for scientific computation on "toy" hardware. The cluster consists of 65 compute nodes, 4 user login and development nodes, and 1 prototype node for software installation tests. All the nodes run the Sony Linux distribution for Playstation 2. The compute nodes fill a 24-inch rack; 5 shelves at 13 per shelf - http://arrakis.ncsa.uiuc.edu/ps2/cluster.php"

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2940422.stm



      And to think of it, the PS3 is even more powerfull when compared to a PS2 (i know, i have them both, PS2s and PS3s running several OS builds)

    167. japsander
      03-30-2011
      02:29 AM
      167

      it takes a big man to admit when your wrong.
      unfortunately it only takes a small mind to deny it.

      still trying to dispute proven facts with personal opinion is sad

      if you drive your Ferrari under the speed limit does it make it any less of a sports car?
      if you have a gun without bullets is it any less of a weapon?

      if you use it as a games console, that's fine, but stop telling the world they are wrong because you have limited knowledge.
      you think it's a console, we know it's so much more. this scene is wasted on you

    168. GregoryRasputin
      03-30-2011
      02:54 AM
      168

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      im bored of it, i think its a kick arse games console, you think its a supercomputer, im happy with that!

      You think its a games console, we know its so much more.

      Its unfortunate, that with 11 people telling you that you are wrong, one of them being a highly respected PS3 dev, that you didn't have the testicles to admit how wrong you are, its a shame

    169. englishtrog
      03-30-2011
      03:37 AM
      169

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      You think its a games console, we know its so much more.

      Its unfortunate, that with 11 people telling you that you are wrong, one of them being a highly respected PS3 dev, that you didn't have the testicles to admit how wrong you are, its a shame
      sigh!
      for what the dev needs to do its a supercomputer, and nothing will make them see it as a games console. i need it for a games console and nothing will make me see it as a supercomputer. again......just because you disagree it does not make you right, or wrong for that matter.

      can we move on or are we going to continue to bang heads over this

      as for the digs at my son, whos the moron?
      who got personal?
      the dev!
      the guy with the respect we should all bow down to!!!!
      im sorry again i dont see it. does he know his buisnesss in the ps3? sure. am i convinced of everything. no!
      his entire post is full of assumptions, and as we all know assumptions are the mother of all f**k ups. i assume coffe maker, i assume you are angry for psn.

      i will say again, im bored not because im not a superuser, whatever one of those are. im bored because its a matter of agreeing to disagree. simple you agree i dont. no harm done.

      a dev with a opinionj on my parenting because i dont see a ps3 the same way as he does........thats a joke!

      one last thing, even your replies are saying what i am saying.......
      Sony Playstation 2 game console
      Sony Playstation 2 game console
      Sony Playstation 3 game console
      Sony Playstation 3 game console

      but then arguing with me that the ps3/ps2 is not a games console!!!!!!!!
      then read before you copy and paste and take out the part you are arguing with me over.
      if the ps3 was advertised as a sony playstation supercomputer multimedia enetertainment games console, which by the way it wasnt and never will be, its inteneded to be a games console, im right, has the possibilities to be a supercomputer,your right.
      i see it as a games console, you see it as a supercomputer, someone else see's it as a multimedia entertainment system, who's wrong? nobody!
      but apparently not!
      aparrently a dev giving me parenting advice because of how i see a ps3 makes me wrong.....a carnt stop laughing. do any of you realiise what the point of all this is?.....ill tell you, nothing.
      a dev taking the time out of his busy......he's not that busy then, cause i would say" let him beleive what he likes"....still laughing

      "son you are going to have to go live with a new family"
      "why dad?"
      "because thats black/white box i have upstairs is not a games console, and i dont see it as anything else so you are doomed, its for your own good son!"



      i laughed whilst typing!!!!

    170. japsander
      03-30-2011
      03:53 AM
      170

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      sigh!
      for what the dev needs to do its a supercomputer
      it's nice to see you finally admit it.

      the ps3 IS a supercomputer, whether you use it for that or not is nobodys concern but yours.
      this argument wasn't about your lack of need or want for it, it was about you 100% refusing to acknowledge the fact of what it is, calling everyone else wrong.

    171. englishtrog
      03-30-2011
      04:16 AM
      171

      Originally Posted by japsander
      it's nice to see you finally admit it.

      the ps3 IS a supercomputer, whether you use it for that or not is nobodys concern but yours.
      this argument wasn't about your lack of need or want for it, it was about you 100% refusing to acknowledge the fact of what it is, calling everyone else wrong.
      again the word wrong pops up, i never used the word wrong, everyone else did. i dont see a supercompter, 1760 ps3's connected together, thats a supercomputer. if you want to see a supercomputer...fine. i dont. the only connection i have seen is a post on the cell proccessor being compared to that used in a supercomputer.
      if i said my case mod was the best out there, thats what i beleive because i did a good job,but some one will say "ive seen better"this thread has become a blown up version of that arguement.
      getting a ps3 to run like a pc does not make it a pc. even the parenting guru said that. you can run a os on a ps3 and a pc, does not make a ps3 a pc. the arguement has to work the other way around. i have snow leopard on my other laptop, does that make it a mac book?, no!
      if a ps3 emu comes out for windows does that make my pc a ps3? no!
      psp can play psx games does that make it a ps1? no!
      do you think because all of the above can do more than they were iintended to do makes them awesome peices of kit?yes!!!!
      its as simple as that!

    172. GregoryRasputin
      03-30-2011
      04:45 AM
      172

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      sigh!
      for what the dev needs to do its a supercomputer, and nothing will make them see it as a games console. i need it for a games console and nothing will make me see it as a supercomputer. again......just because you disagree it does not make you right, or wrong for that matter.
      No what makes me right or wrong, is the fact EVERYONE is saying you are wrong, i know you find it extremely hard understanding simple thing's, but with eleven people stating you the damn facts, you still cant get it.



      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      as for the digs at my son, whos the moron?
      He did not have a dig at your son, the dig was purely at you.




      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i will say again, im bored not because im not a superuser, whatever one of those are. im bored because its a matter of agreeing to disagree. simple you agree i dont. no harm done.

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      if the ps3 was advertised as a sony playstation supercomputer multimedia enetertainment games console, which by the way it wasnt and never will be
      You see, that's where your ignorance shines through, you said "if", then immediately say "it wasn't", that is a contradiction of itself.
      Sony advertised the PS3 as a computer, they even got past import tax's to America by stating the PS3 is a computer, as i said read up and learn your stuff, it will stop you sounding so damn dumb.


      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i see it as a games console, you see it as a supercomputer, someone else see's it as a multimedia entertainment system, who's wrong? nobody!
      Only the people to call the PS3 a games console and think of it only as a games console are wrong.


      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      aparrently a dev giving me parenting advice because of how i see a ps3 makes me wrong.....a carnt stop laughing.
      No, he didn't question your parenting skills because of how you see the PS3, its your ignorance he is speaking of.



      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      do any of you realiise what the point of all this is?.....ill tell you, nothing.
      I can, it all stems from the post where i said the PS3 isn't a games console, your reign of ignorance started then.

    173. japsander
      03-30-2011
      04:49 AM
      173

      you originally stated that the ps3 WAS NOT a computer.
      then when it was proven to you by the creator himself and by the ability it came with "out of the box" of being able to install another operating system.
      gameos is a dumbed down operating system. the software does not make the machine.

      you have constantly found one more stupid reason to dispute the facts.

      your analogy if installing osx on a laptop is also flawed.
      a MacBook is a computer, so is your laptop. nothing will change the fact that they are both computers.

      the ps3 hardware as shown to you, primarily the cell is in fact far superior to the CPU you can get in a pc. your claims on limited ram was disproven also.

      was it originally sold as a computer?
      YES
      was it able to hold alternative operating systems?
      YES
      can it run chrome, safari etc using this alternate OS?
      YES (hahahaha!)
      can it be used to compute extremely fast compared to even modern day CPU's?
      YES
      can it play games at a very high standard?
      YES
      can it be used for multimedia?
      YES
      can you do all of your office work on it?
      YES
      can you use it to do all of your web activities?
      YES
      do you have access and ability to install thousands of professional applications ranging from design to programming?
      YES
      can you use it to convert media extremely quickly?
      YES
      can you think of one thing that could prove that the ps3 is not a computer?
      NO

      now you obviously bought your console after Sony locked it down but the hardware is still the same.
      Sony blocked this access, only allowing you to use a small percentage of it's capabilities and obviously they stopped advertising it as a computer because they blocked the ability.

      now as for you thinking that a cluster is required for it to be a supercomputer.
      1 supercomputer = 1 supercomputer
      10 supercomputers in a cluster = 1 supercomputer
      100 supercomputers in a cluster = 1 supercomputer

      now obviously a single ps3 is not the same as the behemoth supercomputer specs that you posted earlier but do you really think there is only one standard for a supercomputer?

      a pc with a lower spec than yours is not a pc?

      a games console is designed to do one thing, play games.
      the ps3 was designed to do everything, remember the slogan "it only does everything"?

      your opinion is your opinion, but these are the facts!

      p.s go to wikipedia and type in the word supercomputer. read the whole thing and then come back and be a man.
      we are not hating, we are trying to educate.

    174. Wolfie708
      03-30-2011
      07:10 AM
      174

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      again the word wrong pops up, i never used the word wrong, everyone else did. i dont see a supercompter, 1760 ps3's connected together, thats a supercomputer. if you want to see a supercomputer...fine. i dont. the only connection i have seen is a post on the cell proccessor being compared to that used in a supercomputer.
      if i said my case mod was the best out there, thats what i beleive because i did a good job,but some one will say "ive seen better"this thread has become a blown up version of that arguement.
      getting a ps3 to run like a pc does not make it a pc. even the parenting guru said that. you can run a os on a ps3 and a pc, does not make a ps3 a pc. the arguement has to work the other way around. i have snow leopard on my other laptop, does that make it a mac book?, no!
      if a ps3 emu comes out for windows does that make my pc a ps3? no!
      psp can play psx games does that make it a ps1? no!
      do you think because all of the above can do more than they were iintended to do makes them awesome peices of kit?yes!!!!
      its as simple as that!
      Yawn......

      EDIT No insult or p*ss take intended, but after re-reading your posts, I truly believe you have a mental problem as you are unable to grasp simple concepts that differ from your hard wired opinions. If this is the case please confirm it so people can give you some leeway.

    175. Pockets69
      03-30-2011
      08:16 AM
      175

      should i now get mathieulh in here?

    176. madshaun1984
      03-30-2011
      08:51 AM
      176

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      sigh!
      for what the dev needs to do its a supercomputer, and nothing will make them see it as a games console. i need it for a games console and nothing will make me see it as a supercomputer. again......just because you disagree it does not make you right, or wrong for that matter.

      can we move on or are we going to continue to bang heads over this

      as for the digs at my son, whos the moron?
      who got personal?
      the dev!
      the guy with the respect we should all bow down to!!!!
      im sorry again i dont see it. does he know his buisnesss in the ps3? sure. am i convinced of everything. no!
      his entire post is full of assumptions, and as we all know assumptions are the mother of all f**k ups. i assume coffe maker, i assume you are angry for psn.

      i will say again, im bored not because im not a superuser, whatever one of those are. im bored because its a matter of agreeing to disagree. simple you agree i dont. no harm done.

      a dev with a opinionj on my parenting because i dont see a ps3 the same way as he does........thats a joke!

      one last thing, even your replies are saying what i am saying.......
      Sony Playstation 2 game console
      Sony Playstation 2 game console
      Sony Playstation 3 game console
      Sony Playstation 3 game console

      but then arguing with me that the ps3/ps2 is not a games console!!!!!!!!
      then read before you copy and paste and take out the part you are arguing with me over.
      if the ps3 was advertised as a sony playstation supercomputer multimedia enetertainment games console, which by the way it wasnt and never will be, its inteneded to be a games console, im right, has the possibilities to be a supercomputer,your right.
      i see it as a games console, you see it as a supercomputer, someone else see's it as a multimedia entertainment system, who's wrong? nobody!
      but apparently not!
      aparrently a dev giving me parenting advice because of how i see a ps3 makes me wrong.....a carnt stop laughing. do any of you realiise what the point of all this is?.....ill tell you, nothing.
      a dev taking the time out of his busy......he's not that busy then, cause i would say" let him beleive what he likes"....still laughing

      "son you are going to have to go live with a new family"
      "why dad?"
      "because thats black/white box i have upstairs is not a games console, and i dont see it as anything else so you are doomed, its for your own good son!"



      i laughed whilst typing!!!!
      Dude, why do I get the impression you were dropped on your head at birth? You have been agreed with many times on this thread by myself, a respected dev (@kakarotoks) and various other users from a vaiety of backgrounds.

      What your failing to see is all others are explaining to you, is that the ps3 is a gaming console for you and countless other ps3 owners. But that it isn't 'just' a games console, its much more than that.

      Your obviously not interested in anything anyone else has to say, so I'm going to end this now, the ps3 to you is a games console, that's fine, we know it 'is' more than that, that's fine too. Now instead of sitting on your pc, I suggest you go and play your games console, because this thread and the intelligent users that have posted replying to you have far better things to do than, serving an idiot that doesn't want to learn.

      Why you posted on this thread in the first place is beyond me, you obviously don't have the mental capacity to accept that everyone here including yourself is correct, or that there is however another side to the console ***computer/super computer*** as users/mods/devs have tried to explain to you.

    177. englishtrog
      03-30-2011
      08:57 AM
      177

      Originally Posted by japsander
      you originally stated that the ps3 WAS NOT a computer.
      then when it was proven to you by the creator himself and by the ability it came with "out of the box" of being able to install another operating system.
      gameos is a dumbed down operating system. the software does not make the machine.

      you have constantly found one more stupid reason to dispute the facts.

      your analogy if installing osx on a laptop is also flawed.
      a MacBook is a computer, so is your laptop. nothing will change the fact that they are both computers.

      the ps3 hardware as shown to you, primarily the cell is in fact far superior to the CPU you can get in a pc. your claims on limited ram was disproven also.

      was it originally sold as a computer?
      YES No
      was it able to hold alternative operating systems?
      YES no, my laptop can install snow leopard,xp,windows 7,vista, linux.....the list goes on, the ps3 is only capable for linux, this why it differs from a computer
      can it run chrome, safari etc using this alternate OS?
      YES (hahahaha!)no, people have run into problems running then on a pc with linux
      can it be used to compute extremely fast compared to even modern day CPU's?
      YESi will give you that one
      can it play games at a very high standard?
      YES yes
      can it be used for multimedia?
      YESyes
      can you do all of your office work on it?
      YESyes
      can you use it to do all of your web activities?
      YESyes
      do you have access and ability to install thousands of professional applications ranging from design to programming?
      YES no, it carnt, in future if we get a good grasp of linux, maybe
      can you use it to convert media extremely quickly?
      YES no it carnt, as been stated before the ps3 is designed to only read certain types of media, m$ could also do the same
      can you think of one thing that could prove that the ps3 is not a computer?
      NO yes, a computer can do all of the above and then even more, a ps3 cannot

      now you obviously bought your console after Sony locked it down but the hardware is still the same.
      Sony blocked this access, only allowing you to use a small percentage of it's capabilities and obviously they stopped advertising it as a computer because they blocked the ability.

      now as for you thinking that a cluster is required for it to be a supercomputer.
      1 supercomputer = 1 supercomputer
      10 supercomputers in a cluster = 1 supercomputer
      100 supercomputers in a cluster = 1 supercomputer

      now obviously a single ps3 is not the same as the behemoth supercomputer specs that you posted earlier but do you really think there is only one standard for a supercomputer?

      a pc with a lower spec than yours is not a pc?

      a games console is designed to do one thing, play games.
      the ps3 was designed to do everything, remember the slogan "it only does everything"?

      your opinion is your opinion, but these are the facts!

      p.s go to wikipedia and type in the word supercomputer. read the whole thing and then come back and be a man.
      we are not hating, we are trying to educate.
      i did read the supercomputer at wiki and lots of other sites. on none of them does it say ram is not needed, on none of them did it say linux capable. on none of them did it even mention the word ps3, other then using a group of ps3's to make a supercomputer......i replied to your claims of a ps3 supercomputer

      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      should i now get mathieulh in here?
      you can bring whoever you like, it will not change my games console into a supercomputer.
      "mr gates, i have a supercomputer here for you"
      "oh yeah let me have a look at it"
      he carnt stop laughing when he sees my ps3 games console box.

      again, i will say it again. i bought my ps3 games console for £150. if its a supercomputer for £150, i would be over the moon, i just dont see it. i dont see how the army needs 2.5 million but i did it with £150

    178. GregoryRasputin
      03-30-2011
      09:01 AM
      178

      Originally Posted by englishtrog

      again, i will say it again. i bought my ps3 games console for £150. if its a supercomputer for £150, i would be over the moon, i just dont see it. i dont see how the army needs 2.5 million but i did it with £150
      Honestly, you need to spend less time on internet dating sites, perhaps it would be best sticking to playing Tickle Spider with your five kids, you seem to be a great father, stick to what you are good at, stay away from discussions regarding the PS3 as you have no clue.

      EDIT:
      I don't mean to stay away from PS3 discussion altogether, just the aspects you cant understand

    179. englishtrog
      03-30-2011
      09:07 AM
      179

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      Honestly, you need to spend less time on internet dating sites, perhaps it would be best sticking to playing Tickle Spider with your five kids, you seem to be a great father, stick to what you are good at, stay away from discussions regarding the PS3 as you have no clue.
      i would just like to quote from another site if i could:

      Nah, with power pcs like Cray out there I dont see the PS3 as a super computer. You cannot upgrade the RAM, it overheats, hard to cluster, limited HDD in most, sony owning it and are anally retentive on what you load on your own kit.

      says it all really!

      englishtrog in google, not bad. and its 8 kids!

    180. Pockets69
      03-30-2011
      09:08 AM
      180

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      Honestly, you need to spend less time on internet dating sites
      Oh snaap!! XD

    181. Wolfie708
      03-30-2011
      09:10 AM
      181

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      Honestly, you need to spend less time on internet dating sites, perhaps it would be best sticking to playing Tickle Spider with your five kids, you seem to be a great father, stick to what you are good at, stay away from discussions regarding the PS3 as you have no clue.

      EDIT:
      I don't mean to stay away from PS3 discussion altogether, just the aspects you cant understand
      To be blunt that does include all PS3 discussions then

    182. GregoryRasputin
      03-30-2011
      09:11 AM
      182

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i would just like to quote from another site if i could:

      Nah, with power pcs like Cray out there I dont see the PS3 as a super computer. You cannot upgrade the RAM, it overheats, hard to cluster, limited HDD in most, sony owning it and are anally retentive on what you load on your own kit.
      ROFL that's a quote of yours from another site, same mentality, same inability to understand .

    183. Wolfie708
      03-30-2011
      09:12 AM
      183

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i would just like to quote from another site if i could:

      Nah, with power pcs like Cray out there I dont see the PS3 as a super computer. You cannot upgrade the RAM, it overheats, hard to cluster, limited HDD in most, sony owning it and are anally retentive on what you load on your own kit.

      says it all really!

      englishtrog in google, not bad. and its 8 kids!
      So you are more than happy to quote and agree with someone elses opinion, just not anyones who disagrees with you? Do you work for Sony by any chance?

    184. englishtrog
      03-30-2011
      09:13 AM
      184

      it wasnt my quote, it was someone elses. if you dont agree your wrong??
      thats wrong!

      To be blunt that does include all PS3 discussions then

      i have been thanked 9 times and ive only been here a few days, so does that mean you are wrong?

    185. Wolfie708
      03-30-2011
      09:15 AM
      185

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      it wasnt my quote, it was someone elses. if you dont agree your wrong??
      thats wrong!
      You really cannot understand the English language can you? I can teach you for a small fee
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      it wasnt my quote, it was someone elses. if you dont agree your wrong??
      thats wrong!

      To be blunt that does include all PS3 discussions then

      i have been thanked 9 times and ive only been here a few days, so does that mean you are wrong?
      No, it means sarcasm is a wonderful tool in the right hands, and worthless to the wrong ears.

    186. Pockets69
      03-30-2011
      09:17 AM
      186

      it has to be a bot! this is not happening...

      I am going to play some stuff in my super computer...

    187. GregoryRasputin
      03-30-2011
      09:17 AM
      187

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      it wasnt my quote, it was someone elses. if you dont agree your wrong??
      thats wrong!

      lol why are you even on this forum, i mean you don't give a crap about the forum or its members, you tell eleven+ people that they are wrong, when we are amongst the top in the scene regarding knowledge on the PS3, ive been doing this stuff for years, long before you even had a PS3.

      Do you disrespect us because we aren't a warez/iso site ?

    188. Wolfie708
      03-30-2011
      09:17 AM
      188

      To all the Mods........... Can I keep him please? HeeHee

    189. Pockets69
      03-30-2011
      09:19 AM
      189

      probably i bet his friends at pspiso know much more than us

    190. japsander
      03-30-2011
      09:21 AM
      190

      wikipedia supercomputer states the cell processor, it even states game consoles and most run Linux. next time you claim to have read something, at least read it first.

      A supercomputer is a computer that is at the frontline of current processing capacity, particularly speed of calculation

      The term supercomputer itself is rather fluid, and the speed of today's supercomputers tends to become typical of tomorrow's ordinary computers.

      Modern video game consoles in particular use SIMD extensively and this is the basis for some manufacturers' claim that their game machines are themselves supercomputers.

      Supercomputers today most often use variants of Linux.[3] as shown by the graph to the right. (for your benefit over 90% of the worlds supercomputers use Linux)

      supercomputers are particularly suitable for parallelization (in essence, splitting up into smaller parts to be worked on simultaneously) and, in particular, fairly coarse-grained parallelization that limits the amount of information that needs to be transferred between independent processing units. For this reason, traditional supercomputers can be replaced, for many applications, by "clusters" of computers of standard design, which can be programmed to act as one large computer.

      Cell is a microprocessor architecture jointly developed by Sony Computer Entertainment, IBM, and Toshiba, an alliance known as "STI". The architectural design and first implementation were carried out at the STI Design Center in Austin, Texas over a four-year period beginning March 2001 on a budget reported by Sony as approaching US$400 million.[1] Cell is shorthand for Cell Broadband Engine Architecture, commonly abbreviated CBEA in full or Cell BE in part. Cell combines a general-purpose Power Architecture core of modest performance with streamlined coprocessing elements[2] which greatly accelerate multimedia and vector processing applications, as well as many other forms of dedicated computation.[2]

      sorry for the copy paste but you did not read the while thing

    191. Hailfire101
      03-30-2011
      09:22 AM
      191

      Attention

      No insulting/flaming, this is a normal discussion, do not bring insults into it




      The last thing mankind needs are people this stupid in the gene pool.

      His fetish for vast amounts of "RAM" being needed to create a super computer amazes me.
      He fetish for ignoring people who know far more than him just shocks me.
      His 9 thanks are from people who just found his posts so damn stupid, they thanked him for the laugh.

      PS.
      Thanks to all the people that put informative stuff in this thread. There is some really good info here.

      PPS. I GET A WARNING AND THAT PRAT DONT?!?!?!!?

    192. madshaun1984
      03-30-2011
      09:23 AM
      192

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin

      Do you disrespect us because we aren't a warez/iso site ?
      I wondered the same thing: /

    193. Pockets69
      03-30-2011
      09:26 AM
      193

      We are wrong, kakaroto is wrong, ken kutaragi is wrong, thousands of quotes and links we have posted are wrong, WIKIPEDIA IS WRONG.

      and you are right! is that what you want us to believe??

      AAHHAAHHAAHHHAAHHHHHHHHHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    194. Wolfie708
      03-30-2011
      09:26 AM
      194

      Originally Posted by Hailfire101

      Attention

      No insulting/flaming, this is a normal discussion, do not bring insults into it




      The last thing mankind needs are people this stupid in the gene pool.

      His fetish for vast amounts of "RAM" being needed to create a super computer amazes me.
      He fetish for ignoring people who know far more than him just shocks me.
      His 9 thanks are from people who just found his posts so damn stupid, they thanked him for the laugh.

      PS.
      Thanks to all the people that put informative stuff in this thread. There is some really good info here.
      Let's be realistic here. He either has a Genuine problem in accepting concepts that differ from his own, or he is enjoying the banter and wind-up of it all. Either way I am enjoying it too lol

      Don't bite as that just feeds the hungry little sausage

    195. japsander
      03-30-2011
      09:27 AM
      195

      can anyone see a resemblance between this guy and colonel gadafy

      their denial astounds me

    196. Wolfie708
      03-30-2011
      09:27 AM
      196

      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      We are wrong, kakaroto is wrong, ken kutaragi is wrong, thousands of quotes and links we have posted are wrong, WIKIPEDIA IS WRONG.

      and you are right! is that what you want us to believe??

      AAHHAAHHAAHHHAAHHHHHHHHHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
      Errrrrrrrrr... WikiPedia often is wrong pmsl

    197. Pockets69
      03-30-2011
      09:28 AM
      197

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Errrrrrrrrr... WikiPedia often is wrong pmsl
      Not in this case it isn't!

    198. Wolfie708
      03-30-2011
      09:29 AM
      198

      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      Not in this case it isn't!
      I know, but will 'he' ever believe it anyways?

    199. englishtrog
      03-30-2011
      09:29 AM
      199

      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      probably i bet his friends at pspiso know much more than us
      indeed they do, thats why im universal mod, but hey i dont know what im talking about.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Originally Posted by japsander
      can anyone see a resemblance between this guy and colonel gadafy

      their denial astounds me
      i like that, you name a guy that if you dont agree with him your gone. i dont agree with supercomputer, im wrong. could not have used a better comparison myself

    200. Pockets69
      03-30-2011
      09:33 AM
      200

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      but hey i dont know what im talking about.
      Thank god, you said it!

      yeah i bet those warez friends of yours know much more than the people that allow you to play your warez...

    201. Wolfie708
      03-30-2011
      09:33 AM
      201

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      indeed they do, thats why im universal mod, but hey i dont know what im talking about.************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************


      i like that, you name a guy that if you dont agree with him your gone. i dont agree with supercomputer, im wrong. could not have used a better comparison myself
      That is the ONE genuine thing you have said, even if it was attempted to be sarcastic lol

    202. japsander
      03-30-2011
      09:36 AM
      202

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      indeed they do, thats why im universal mod, but hey i dont know what im talking about.

      you see, you finally agree.
      thank you, it must have taken a lot to admit you know nothing.

      you just care about games it's clear you have no knowledge about the rest.
      the whole world is wrong because you have no idea how to use something? LOL

    203. Annelies
      03-30-2011
      09:41 AM
      203

      Originally Posted by japsander
      you see, you finally agree.
      thank you, it must have taken a lot to admit you know nothing.

      you just care about games it's clear you have no knowledge about the rest.
      the whole world is wrong because you have no idea how to use something? LOL
      I can't believe the quarrel between PS3Hax.net (basically the whole site) and Englishtrog lasted this long. Never in my years of posting on forums have I seen something like this.

    204. Pockets69
      03-30-2011
      09:46 AM
      204

      yeah it is hard to believe...

    205. englishtrog
      03-30-2011
      09:47 AM
      205

      Originally Posted by japsander
      wikipedia supercomputer states the cell processor, it even states game consoles and most run Linux. next time you claim to have read something, at least read it first.

      A supercomputer is a computer that is at the frontline of current processing capacity, particularly speed of calculation

      The term supercomputer itself is rather fluid, and the speed of today's supercomputers tends to become typical of tomorrow's ordinary computers.

      Modern video game consoles in particular use SIMD extensively and this is the basis for some manufacturers' claim that their game machines are themselves supercomputers.

      Supercomputers today most often use variants of Linux.[3] as shown by the graph to the right. (for your benefit over 90% of the worlds supercomputers use Linux)

      supercomputers are particularly suitable for parallelization (in essence, splitting up into smaller parts to be worked on simultaneously) and, in particular, fairly coarse-grained parallelization that limits the amount of information that needs to be transferred between independent processing units. For this reason, traditional supercomputers can be replaced, for many applications, by "clusters" of computers of standard design, which can be programmed to act as one large computer.

      Cell is a microprocessor architecture jointly developed by Sony Computer Entertainment, IBM, and Toshiba, an alliance known as "STI". The architectural design and first implementation were carried out at the STI Design Center in Austin, Texas over a four-year period beginning March 2001 on a budget reported by Sony as approaching US$400 million.[1] Cell is shorthand for Cell Broadband Engine Architecture, commonly abbreviated CBEA in full or Cell BE in part. Cell combines a general-purpose Power Architecture core of modest performance with streamlined coprocessing elements[2] which greatly accelerate multimedia and vector processing applications, as well as many other forms of dedicated computation.[2]

      sorry for the copy paste but you did not read the while thing
      thats the wiki i read and to quote the very first line!
      wikipedia supercomputer states the cell processor, it even states game consoles and most run Linux.

      its saying games console, ps3 for this thread, have the same cell proccessors that are in a list with of prosessing power has a supercomputer. nowhere in that list does it say supercomputers are as follows......
      Cray, IBM and Hewlett-Packard,(i copied and pasted that time).....ps3. it does not happen
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Originally Posted by japsander
      you see, you finally agree.
      thank you, it must have taken a lot to admit you know nothing.

      you just care about games it's clear you have no knowledge about the rest.
      the whole world is wrong because you have no idea how to use something? LOL
      again the word wrong, i never used the word wrong. your not wrong for thinking your ps3 is a supercomputer. i dont see my ps3 as that.
      this has gone on for so long because of this im right your wrong attitude, i never used that attitude. ive said time and time again i would love to own a supercomputer, i dont see it. why? because the only thing that has been used to link the ps3 and a supercomputer is the cell prosessor. it takes more than that to make a supercomputer. if you dont think so then fine. no problem!

    206. Wolfie708
      03-30-2011
      09:56 AM
      206

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      thats the wiki i read and to quote the very first line!
      wikipedia supercomputer states the cell processor, it even states game consoles and most run Linux.

      its saying games console, ps3 for this thread, have the same cell proccessors that are in a list with of prosessing power has a supercomputer. nowhere in that list does it say supercomputers are as follows......
      Cray, IBM and Hewlett-Packard,(i copied and pasted that time).....ps3. it does not happen
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************


      again the word wrong, i never used the word wrong. your not wrong for thinking your ps3 is a supercomputer. i dont see my ps3 as that.
      this has gone on for so long because of this im right your wrong attitude, i never used that attitude. ive said time and time again i would love to own a supercomputer, i dont see it. why? because the only thing that has been used to link the ps3 and a supercomputer is the cell prosessor. it takes more than that to make a supercomputer. if you dont think so then fine. no problem!
      Just what are you talking about????

      You even quote the line and highlight the relevant part that agrees with what we are trying to tell you???

    207. englishtrog
      03-30-2011
      10:03 AM
      207

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Just what are you talking about????

      You even quote the line and highlight the relevant part that agrees with what we are trying to tell you???
      i must need glasses. what part of what i highlighted says the ps3 is a supercomputer?
      it doesnt!!
      it says the proccessor is used, just like aerplane chips can be used a coffeemachine(example before anyone says "your wrong they use aircraft carrier prosessors"). you have taken the only simularity to a supercomputer and made that your basis for why im wrong.
      *sits back and waits for his coffee machine to fly around the room*

    208. japsander
      03-30-2011
      10:12 AM
      208

      you claimed the ps3 was not a computer, is that not saying we are wrong? you said wikipedia was wrong and basically the rest of the world who's benchmarks prove beyond a doubt that when the ps3 was released it was a supercomputer, it is still on par with today's high end computer systems.

      you say you don't "see" it as a supercomputer which is fine, it's a personal opinion but you "stated" that it is "not" a computer at all

      oh and as for your comment about the processor. the cell is the heart of the computer as I hope you know and it does all the computations.

      the CPU makes the supercomputer, the rest if the hardware is there to support it

    209. Wolfie708
      03-30-2011
      10:18 AM
      209

      Originally Posted by englishtrog
      i must need glasses. what part of what i highlighted says the ps3 is a supercomputer?
      it doesnt!!
      it says the proccessor is used, just like aerplane chips can be used a coffeemachine(example before anyone says "your wrong they use aircraft carrier prosessors"). you have taken the only simularity to a supercomputer and made that your basis for why im wrong.
      *sits back and waits for his coffee machine to fly around the room*
      Ok, English lesson time, and I really hope you can read the English language correctly as it IS a wonderful thing.

      Fluid means not fixed, in this context it means that we cannot seprately catergorise any specific rules to what makes a super computer beyond the fact that it is capable of doing things that cannot be done with the same ease or abilty as a 'run of the mill' computer. The PS3 system can (CAN, not does, as software is needed for any task to be performed) do things that 'run of the mill' computers are either incapable of, or cannot do with the same ease.

      You refuse to accept that anything that does not fit your opinion may be correct and so must be false, and please note, I have not used the word wrong as there is a huge difference between false and wrong.

      You originally refused to even class the PS3 as a computer at all and kept quoting PC this and PC that. I had an ZX Spectrum many years ago and that was a computer and Not a PC. It also could not do almost all the same things you use to deny the PS3 being a computer, but there is NO doubt or argument that the ZX Spectrum was a computer is there?

      I have tried to make these couple of points as simple as possible whilst keep them factual, but if you still fail to understand, then I Truly Do believe you have a mental problem. That is not intended as an insult in Any way, but your inability to understand both English and the idea of difference and fluidity in this context cannot be taken to mean anything else.

    210. GregoryRasputin
      03-30-2011
      10:36 AM
      210

      Ok that's enough, the eleven or so of us have explained enough, this will only end in a flame fest, he doesn't have the ability to understand and never will, so no point in continuing to try and teach him.

      I just want to add this, i read it today:

      Sony: Don't call the PS3 a "game machine"
      Millions enjoy the PlayStation 3 for the video games they play on it, but according to Sony it is wrong to describe the console as a game machine.

      A more appropriate description, according to one Sony executive, is "entertainment media hub".

      "We're trying to turn the PlayStation 3 into an entertainment media hub where you can not only play your games and get online with your Call of Duty community, but also find movies, find music, and bring that across," Sony Network Entertainment boss Shawn Layden told Eurogamer.

      "People like to explore. Gamers are explorers. I worked with PlayStation for 14 years before I took on this position with Sony Network Entertainment. I started back in 1996. It was just that grey rectangle with the toaster lid on it. You threw the disc in and brought the waffle iron down, and that's it, you're good to go.

      "Game machine is the wrong description these days. Console can mean so many things. It's a central hub if you will for all kinds of digital content."

      Sony has attempted to broaden the traditional PlayStation audience in recent years with the addition of non-gaming applications to the PlayStation 3.

      Cloud-based music subscription service Music Unlimited, which Layden runs, is just one example. You can rent and buy movies, view photos, edit video, watch music videos and watch telly through your PS3, too.

      14.7 million PlayStation 3s have been sold throughout Europe. As of 25th January 2011, there were over 69 million registered PlayStation Network accounts worldwide.

      You see, that even after almost five years, Sony still don't want their PS3 called a games console