• PS3 Hacks , 28.03.2011

    Mathieulh recent tweets have basically outlined new information relating to dumping of LV0 for PS3 FW 3.60 and obtaining the new firmwares keys. He has not released the full method on how to do this, but at this point has given enough for someone to figure out the rest. There also a team by the name of “Ps3WeOwnYoU” on Twitter claiming to have cracked the new firmware VIA Mathieulth’s tweets.

    Below are the recent Mathieulh tweets:

    “You can’t overflow user processes, the NX bit applies here, you can only overflow lv2 or a process with higher privileges.”

    “You can update from your pwn pup only from 3.55 or lower, unless you have an exploit.”

    “Of course that should be fixed in upcoming lv0 revisions anyway (By moving the ldrs to the top of lv0)”

    “You run the 3.60 lv0, then you switch the nor, and pull the cell reset line, and you dump the extra KBs where the loaders are.”

    “Basically you have a nor with 3.55 (or lower) lv0 and your own small lv1 code that does the dump, and 3.60 lv0 on the other.”

    ” You wont get all of lv0 but the part with the loaders shouldn’t be overwritten.”

    “You can actually get all the 3.60 keys/loaders without knowing lv0 keys by dumping lv0 from ram with dual nor and signed lv1.”

    “That’s from an older lv0, the method to get the data isn’t the same, the one I posted was a dump, this one is a decryption ”

    “There is a nice way to dump pre 3.55 lv0 as well by using a small lv1 binary, it’s a risky process though.”

    “Oh! You mean my pm ? congrats, you just figured I have had lv0 dumped/decrypted for quite some time xD”

    “Reminds me of those stupid lv2 overflows I spotted ages ago in the bdemu code, which are useless now on 3.55+ anyway.”

    “To those planning on building a 3.56+ pup for whatever reason, the files attributes changed, the group and user ids for the files as well.”

    “The new 3.56+ values for tarballs are the following: owner_id, “0000764″ group_id, “0000764″ owner, “tetsu” group, “tetsu” ustar, “ustar ”

    “You can use fix_tar to use those new values. Use with caution.”

    “By comparison, those are the pre-3.56 values. owner_id, “0001752″ group_id, “0001274″ owner, “pup_tool” group, “psnes” ustar, “ustar “


    To quote a bit more information about LV0:

    So, to decrypt this LV0 thing, we need to get to know it better. In the latest blog post by rms, he has explained briefly what LV0 is in the console’s security.

    Anyway, let’s really discuss something PS3 instead of my PC xD, let’s start with Lv0, the most unknown level of the PS3. Lv0 initializes PS3 base hardware such as PowerPC/PPU portion of Cell/BE, SPU isolation for asecure_loader, and gelic ethernet/WLAN device. Lv0 also proudly proclaims itself as the “Cell OS Bootloader”. In older firmwares, 0.80-ish to 3.56, Lv0 initialized SPU isolation on one of the SPUs, then it loaded and decrypted asecure_loader. Asecure_loader or metldr then decrypts the isolated loader, in this case, lv1ldr, then lv1ldr decrypts lv1.self. In 3.60 this changed. Lv0 now has all of the loaders integrated into it as one large fat binary. All the keys one needs such as Public ECDSA key/AES CBC key and Initialization Vector and ECDSA curve type are in there. Just go ahead and grab them if you can get the ldrs out of the binary.

    So, unless you can decrypt Lv0, no 3.60 “CFW” for you icon razz Decrypt Or Dump LV0 For 3.60 CFW+ Exploit   Mathieulh . Is there any need for it anyway?

    Mathieulh also has some facts to clarify about LV0.

    1. lv0 isn’t a loader it’s a ppu binary

    2. Lv0 isn’t encrypted per console and can be updated with the rest of the coreos

    3. Lv0 is decrypted by the bootloader, there is no such thing as a lv0ldr.

    4. The bootloader keys cannot be updated/modified on EXISTING hardware

    5. lv0.2 is NOT a binary, it’s a new metadata for lv0 which is to be decrypted and verified by a new bootloader (which is to be available on future ps3s), it is NOT used by the current bootloader (and thus in current playstation 3 consoles)

    Time will tell, hopefully PS3 FW 3.60′s “defense” is wearing out :)

    [VIA PS3Crunch]

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  • 121 Comments

    1. SpecialK79
      03-28-2011
      09:43 AM
      1

      saw this yestaday, ive got no such skills to utilize this info but hopefully "someone" takes this further..

    2. zaspan
      03-28-2011
      10:10 AM
      2

      If this is true then i appologize for everything i said about this guy.He could have said so in the first place.I dont have the sklls but out of 6.91 billion people in the world there might be a couple of people capable of using this.

    3. majid25
      03-28-2011
      10:14 AM
      3

      Well isn't that some stuff..as you guys said, if theres someone who can utilize this

    4. advocatusdiaboli
      03-28-2011
      10:21 AM
      4

      Originally Posted by zaspan
      If this is true then i appologize for everything i said about this guy.He could have said do in the first place.I dont have the sklls but out of 6.91 billion people in the world there might be a couple of people capable of using this.
      I believe you should learn to calculate with implementation time.

    5. Pockets69
      03-28-2011
      10:24 AM
      5

      this is not the whole info he has left some bits for us to figure out :P
      anyway math thanks for revealing such methods, but you know next week, people will keep the flaming XD

    6. zaspan
      03-28-2011
      10:41 AM
      6

      Originally Posted by advocatusdiaboli
      I believe you should learn to calculate with implementation time.
      Clearafy please.I dont quite understand what you're saying.

    7. advocatusdiaboli
      03-28-2011
      10:50 AM
      7

      When people say they know how to solve a problem, it does not mean that it’s a packaged, finished, tested thing for people with upgrade-package-skills to try out.

      Implementing a hack does take some time, even when you know how to do it.

      It’s like you have an idea in your head, you do the following( maybe more )

      • buy land
      • draft
      • blueprint
      • mason
      • carpenter rough
      • carpenter indoors
      • painter
      • pipelines
      • electrician
      and the list can be a lot longer, but you know how to build a house, and it still takes time to build it( also known as implementation time. )

    8. zaspan
      03-28-2011
      11:06 AM
      8

      Lol tnx.Im just glad things are finaly moving again and not at a stand still.This is the first progress in like a month.I wonder if sony would sue people if there was a sudden outburst of cfw-s and homebrew with hundreds of devs all around the world.This way its easy for them sience there are a few people to attack.i mean i started reading about cfw's abouth a month ago and already know about everybody on the scene.Its way to easy to seek and destroy.

    9. advocatusdiaboli
      03-28-2011
      11:33 AM
      9

      No, it’s not, there has been progress every day, but people have been accused of lying, because nothing has been released... Do you know how discouraging that is?

      I really do recommend other hobbies than staring at paint that is drying however.

      BTW I doubt you know everyone in the scene.

    10. zaspan
      03-28-2011
      11:59 AM
      10

      What can i say other than haters gonna hate.I stare at the paint since i work for like 12 hours a day and my job is really boring (need something to keep me awake) and its better to keep up with the scene because its interesting unlike the crap they call news these days.I didnt say i know everyone,i said that i know of them(heard of them).Its not that hard to find out who they are and find their pics and information bellive me.You'd be supprised what a lille googling can do.

    11. advocatusdiaboli
      03-28-2011
      01:37 PM
      11

      You probably only know of those who are first at releasing stuff.

    12. zaspan
      03-28-2011
      02:44 PM
      12

      Goehot
      Mathieulh
      Kakaroto
      Naima
      Graf_Chokolo
      Kmeaw
      PSP:Dark_Alex

      Thats all you need to destroy the scene or to piss everybody off (in theory).

    13. advocatusdiaboli
      03-28-2011
      02:50 PM
      13

      There are quiet alot more people capable of doing it.

      You mentioned those names known to release stuff first.

    14. Pockets69
      03-28-2011
      03:19 PM
      14

      you see advocautus?? that is almost the same post another user made here!!! there are only 3 devs in the scene! at least zaspan can name a few more but still!!!
      you do not have an idea of what is happening behind the scenes.

    15. advocatusdiaboli
      03-28-2011
      03:38 PM
      15

      I still have my hopes high for something from netkas; like: AmigaOS, MacOS X Rhapsody DR2, NeXT Step, or MacOS X TigerPPC running natively perhaps? But maybe not before a bootloader is compiled for "the right places"

    16. Pockets69
      03-28-2011
      03:43 PM
      16

      I would go for the tiger running natively, with a bit of luck!
      but netkas seems to be focused on Lion now...i hope he has some good breakthrough on it.
      talking about Lion, it would be sweet for a new distro from iatkos ideneb or any other with Lion!

    17. advocatusdiaboli
      03-28-2011
      03:45 PM
      17

      I believe there aren’t really that many people that can do kernel hacks the way netkas does this... there might be a couple of others of the hackintosh, but still quiet limited from my understanding.

    18. djhazardous
      03-28-2011
      04:12 PM
      18

      People will keep flaming him and rightly so. In the 7 years or so he's been on console hacking scenes he's always been the same and never released anything on his own beneficially useful to end users.

      He's either piggy-backing off someone else with a big release or taunting and teasing he has it all by himself.

      What he's tweeted recently is useless. Far from the makeup of a 3.6 exploit.

    19. Pockets69
      03-28-2011
      04:16 PM
      19

      no its not useless and he has every right to do what he wants with the info he gets or obtains. if he wants to release it then so be it, if he doesn't well though luck.

    20. Annelies
      03-28-2011
      04:24 PM
      20

      Originally Posted by Pockets69
      you see advocautus?? that is almost the same post another user made here!!! there are only 3 devs in the scene! at least zaspan can name a few more but still!!!
      you do not have an idea of what is happening behind the scenes.
      ....lol

      It's actually sad that I, as well as many others can only think of the 'big-name' Dev's. If the other Dev's actually released 'great' things or dare I say, revolutionized the scene, then they'd be on my list. They're not on my list.

      Don't get me wrong, I still 'respect' them in the sense that I won't go flaming one or talk sh*t about one, but still. They aren't on my list.

    21. Pockets69
      03-28-2011
      04:27 PM
      21

      well at least yeah you don't go on insulting devs! and don't forget for a dev to deliver something he generally has help from many people don't think they do it alone!

    22. djhazardous
      03-28-2011
      04:44 PM
      22

      There's no danger of him releasing anything, he's all talk and always has been.

      Some people just stay positive towards him because they depend on him because he's the only talk of the scene moving forward right now, but the fact of the matter is, it's just that, talk.

    23. Pockets69
      03-28-2011
      05:25 PM
      23

      surely psgroove was just talk.

    24. rizcom
      03-28-2011
      07:38 PM
      24

      nice keep up the great work

      give Mathieulh a break noobs man, i like his tips of the day he's a dev in action just wait

      if you are looking to play online,get a next ps3 lol

    25. jdawg6996
      03-28-2011
      08:36 PM
      25

      thats awesome although 3.65 is probably awaiting release as soon as this gets cracked wide open...but its a start cant wait to see where this goes

    26. depblkman
      03-28-2011
      08:54 PM
      26

      Are people waiting with bated breath for all of this info to turn into the next CFW? Is breaking 3.60 for the purpose of running OtherOs or is it more than that? Trust me, i know what it is about but i want to hear from others as well.

      i hope that this is not a trolling question...

    27. darksony
      03-28-2011
      09:19 PM
      27

      finally, now i just need a little time to download Davinci's dissapearance(dlc AC BH)

    28. Qraze1
      03-28-2011
      09:26 PM
      28

      i don't really care for a 3.60 cfw as all my current 3.55 homebrews may not work, but i hope this is able to give people stuck in service mode a way out if it all comes to fruition.

      i do miss all my psn buddies and playing online poker and constantly uploading every new trophy to get to see how little in level i've grown, but until i get a new slim, i don't really need a new cfw or the psn.

      and i'm sure sony has a 3.61 just ready to put out once, if any 3.60 cfw is released.

      but to all the devs, good job and good luck. i had a small problem with Math not releasing his knowledge a while ago, but he hasn't been unhelpful, he just us to work for our meal, which i totally respect. i don't know where he lives, but if its in the states, than i can see why he doesn't want to risk getting sued by the scea-nazis.

      but the cats outta the bag now. i'm sure sony is taking the steps to render this moot if they can.

      what i want is a non-patchable exploit. when Geohot cracked otheros, he had said his exploit was non-patchable, does his jailbreak exploit have anything to do with his otheros crack? he did use some hardware to gain full control of otheros. or so he says.

    29. Wolfie708
      03-28-2011
      09:35 PM
      29

      Originally Posted by depblkman
      Are people waiting with bated breath for all of this info to turn into the next CFW? Is breaking 3.60 for the purpose of running OtherOs or is it more than that? Trust me, i know what it is about but i want to hear from others as well.

      i hope that this is not a trolling question...
      I wouldn't say trolling at all........ They are all waiting to get back on PSN so they can get their fix LOL

    30. BoredUltimatum
      03-28-2011
      09:38 PM
      30

      Originally Posted by rizcom
      if you are looking to play online,get a next ps3 lol
      I did (get another system). It may be a load of crap to not be allowed to mess around with your system as you see fit, but Sony has every right to prevent your hacked/modified/compromised system from interacting with legitimate ones over their network. If they sit back and let all systems to play online through PSN, then it is only a matter of time before online play descends into the anarchy of the PSP days. If you want to play online, do so with a legit console. You can expect Sony to allow you to use your hardware how you like, but don't expect them to let you online. They have to assume every compromised system will cheat online. Otherwise, they have an unrealistic burden of finding and banning systems that actually are cheating. This may be unpopular and many probably don't want to hear it, but don't expect to maintain PSN access if you're modifying your system outside of Sony's TOS. They have a right and responsibility to maintain the integrity of PSN.

    31. Annelies
      03-28-2011
      09:51 PM
      31

      Originally Posted by depblkman
      Are people waiting with bated breath for all of this info to turn into the next CFW? Is breaking 3.60 for the purpose of running OtherOs or is it more than that? Trust me, i know what it is about but i want to hear from others as well.

      i hope that this is not a trolling question...
      I have a growing desire to play on PSN everyday. This desire is shared among many people who've decided to 'hack' their systems with custom firmware. This exploit will benefit me because it'll re-enable me to use the only thing I care about at the moment: PSN.

      I anticipate the day a permanent method to PSN access is found because I have no particular interest in Sony's 'new-features' coming to the PS3 and I'd also like to stop updating my PS3's firmware, whether it be CFW or OFW. The only 'new-feature' I care about that Sony still hasn't delivered on is cross-game chat. Till' then, I don't care about firmwares, more so I care about PSN access. This is the only way to get on PSN?--so be it. Give me 3.60 CFW.

    32. ibivibiv
      03-28-2011
      09:54 PM
      32

      I'm with many others, who needs more CFW? I have some cool emulators running and Linux. Maybe a nice media player would be cool. But other than that why waste any more time? And I don't get Math, I mean he says he's afraid of $ony, but really? I mean they are probably kicking themselves for not crucifying him instead of Geo. Geo is like a folk hero suddenly, sort of a Robinhood. Can you honestly say that Math would get the same donation flood that Geo did at this point? So Math just basically made himself a prime target really if you think about it. It seems like by half #$!%-ing it he is just irritating the masses and still doing enough to make $ony interested in him. I'll quote Mr. Miagi from the FIRST Karate Kid (see-> the good one):

      Either Karate you do yes, or Karate you do no. If Karate you do maybe.... SQUISH, just like grape.

    33. depblkman
      03-28-2011
      10:01 PM
      33

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      I wouldn't say trolling at all........ They are all waiting to get back on PSN so they can get their fix LOL

      the sad thing is you're right. PSN is like crack to addicts.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Originally Posted by Annelies
      I have a growing desire to play on PSN everyday. This desire is shared among many people who've decided to 'hack' their systems with custom firmware. This exploit will benefit me because it'll re-enable me to use the only thing I care about at the moment: PSN.

      I anticipate the day a permanent method to PSN access is found because I have no particular interest in Sony's 'new-features' coming to the PS3 and I'd also like to stop updating my PS3's firmware, whether it be CFW or OFW. The only 'new-feature' I care about that Sony still hasn't delivered on is cross-game chat. Till' then, I don't care about firmwares, more so I care about PSN access. This is the only way to get on PSN?--so be it. Give me 3.60 CFW.
      i think for the most part, i agree with not wanting to keep updating. I'm actually fine with my ps3 being Jb'd. the best thing about it is not having to have people scratch up my disc. the PSN i can care less about. I guess it's because i play more one player games then i do multi. you can say i'm on COD burnout. online play overload.

    34. frederic1
      03-28-2011
      10:12 PM
      34

      I've yet to see anything released. This Mathieulh talks too much. He pretended that he managed to crack the 3.60 PSN protocol a few days after it was activated. But nothing was made public.

      He also pretended a long time ago that he jailbroke 3.60

      I think this guy is a major bull****er, we want acts not words

    35. geocold
      03-28-2011
      10:27 PM
      35

      Originally Posted by frederic1
      I've yet to see anything released. This Mathieulh talks too much. He pretended that he managed to crack the 3.60 PSN protocol a few days after it was activated. But nothing was made public. He also pretended a long time ago that he jailbroke 3.60. I think this guy is a major bull****er, we want acts not words
      my thoughts too. this guy is a big impostor, what will happen is that he will wait for the next firmware release and say "sony has fixed lv0 exploit in ofw 3.61 by moving the ldrs to the top of lv0 so my exploit is now useless”

      the difference between geohot and mat is that geohot acts. mat wants to show his knowledge of the ps3 but the truth is that since psgroove he's never relesed anything serious (even before Sony sued the hackers). this guy gets on my nerves

    36. rizcom
      03-28-2011
      10:28 PM
      36

      yea BoredUltimatum the next one means legitimate

    37. MysterySword
      03-28-2011
      10:35 PM
      37

      It'd be nice to see some cfw with extra options added (similar to rebug's Beta 3.41 cfw). The ability to load saves that weren't created on an individual's PS3 would be nice (I'm guessing that would require editing of savedataplugin_game.sprx).

      I really want GeoHot to win the case he's in, so more devs can start working on the PS3.

    38. depblkman
      03-28-2011
      10:36 PM
      38

      Originally Posted by geocold
      my thoughts too. this guy is a big impostor, what will happen is that he will wait for the next firmware release and say "sony has fixed lv0 exploit in ofw 3.61 by moving the ldrs to the top of lv0 so my exploit is now useless�

      the difference between geohot and mat is that geohot acts. mat wants to show his knowledge of the ps3 but the truth is that since psgroove he's never relesed anything serious (even before Sony sued the hackers). this guy gets on my nerves
      you ever wondered why Math has not released anything else? It don't help to throw insults at developers because they are not moving at your pace. there's a reason why programs are released when they are released. Just show some restraint and let him do what he do. Whatever reason why Math has not released anything is his own reason. If he don't want to share, so what? Maybe if people learn what it takes to develop and program, some people's thoughts would be totally different.

      sorry i had to say that.

    39. geocold
      03-28-2011
      10:40 PM
      39

      When people say they know how to solve a problem, it does not mean that it�s a packaged, finished, tested thing for people with upgrade-package-skills to try out. Implementing a hack does take some time, even when you know how to do it.
      and $ony will probably fix this "exploit" (if it's really one) before anything is released. it's not smart to reveal the security flow and tell their engineers how to fix it. the best hackers are the ones who remain silent.

    40. lebofly
      03-28-2011
      10:43 PM
      40

      Math has given him self an image of being a poser. He said he was scared of sony, Now he shows every ****ing person how to Exploit LV0 for 3.60, this guy is full of ****.

    41. Annelies
      03-28-2011
      10:49 PM
      41

      Originally Posted by lebofly
      Math has given him self an image of being a poser. He said he was scared of sony, Now he shows every ****ing person how to Exploit LV0 for 3.60, this guy is full of ****.
      Don't jump to conclusions just yet. Wait until something comes out of this, and if not, then say what you like. Till' then, sit back and enjoy the movie like the rest of us.

    42. lebofly
      03-28-2011
      10:54 PM
      42

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      Don't jump to conclusions just yet. Wait until something comes out of this, and if not, then say what you like. Till' then, sit back and enjoy the movie like the rest of us.
      I cant, my fat brother keeps on annoying me for PSN access.

    43. imaemoguy
      03-28-2011
      11:10 PM
      43

      oh how I miss you my dear online play. I can't wait for psn access. keep up the great work devs.

    44. init2winit1982
      03-28-2011
      11:15 PM
      44

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      Don't jump to conclusions just yet. Wait until something comes out of this, and if not, then say what you like. Till' then, sit back and enjoy the movie like the rest of us.
      Just keep on gaming and learning from all of your sources and you will find the key. Annilies,
      i have my own site so if you can help with signatures just send me a private message and i can give you the site. my friend and i just got the site up so we are still in the making.......

    45. astig99
      03-28-2011
      11:30 PM
      45

      All good things come to those who wait

    46. lebofly
      03-28-2011
      11:36 PM
      46

      Originally Posted by init2winit1982
      i have my own site so if you can help with signatures just send me a private message and i can give you the site. my friend and i just got the site up so we are still in the making.......
      That was completely irrelevant, If you wanted to tell him that then you should of sent him a PM instead of going off-topic.

    47. init2winit1982
      03-29-2011
      12:36 AM
      47

      The exploit will be out soon, so for the time being, just go hands on and learn for yourself.

    48. bobbintb
      03-29-2011
      12:43 AM
      48

      from maths twitter account:

      Just posting that after seeing all the news sites reporting how I "revealed" my exploit xD
      Those earlier tweets aren't the exploit, they just explain you how to get the 3.60 keys, that's all, it has NOTHING to do with the exploit.

    49. frederic1
      03-29-2011
      02:00 AM
      49

      it gives him a woodie to see the sites post his news

    50. advocatusdiaboli
      03-29-2011
      02:11 AM
      50

      Originally Posted by djhazardous
      There's no danger of him releasing anything, he's all talk and always has been.

      Some people just stay positive towards him because they depend on him because he's the only talk of the scene moving forward right now, but the fact of the matter is, it's just that, talk.
      At least there is an outline.

    51. Jack_Bauer_the_frog
      03-29-2011
      02:55 AM
      51

      My name is Luke. For those of you who didn't read my previous post, I was and still am Mathieullh's son.
      Please, show some respect to my father. He is as he is because since I defeated him he's nothing but a ghost and cannot take physical form anymore. Which is why he can only guide us on the path to CFW 3.60, through his mystical and sometimes subtle advice, and cannot walk that path himself.
      Patience my friends. Eventually, the Light Side will prevail.
      May the Force be with you all.

    52. Annelies
      03-29-2011
      03:28 AM
      52

      Originally Posted by Jack_Bauer_the_frog
      My name is Luke. For those of you who didn't read my previous post, I was and still am Mathieullh's son.
      Please, show some respect to my father. He is as he is because since I defeated him he's nothing but a ghost and cannot take physical form anymore. Which is why he can only guide us on the path to CFW 3.60, through his mystical and sometimes subtle advice, and cannot walk that path himself.
      Patience my friends. Eventually, the Light Side will prevail.
      May the Force be with you all.
      This made me laugh. I think you should stay on topic, though,

    53. crazycritz
      03-29-2011
      04:22 AM
      53

      Warning

      no flaming other members, and don't forget where psgroove and a lot of the previous keys came from



    54. cricido
      03-29-2011
      04:25 AM
      54

      CFW 3.60 is out from italian site

    55. japsander
      03-29-2011
      04:36 AM
      55

      crazycritz, without him and psgroove we would all have been forced to use expensive dongles with poor support/updates and even the clones were based around psgroove as well as all the payloads since.

      just because he doesn't do what you want doesn't make him full of ****

    56. Wolfie708
      03-29-2011
      04:46 AM
      56

      Originally Posted by japsander
      crazycritz, without him and psgroove we would all have been forced to use expensive dongles with poor support/updates and even the clones were based around psgroove as well as all the payloads since.

      just because he doesn't do what you want doesn't make him full of ****
      I personally have no real gripe against him, but cloning a usb dongle does not reaaly qualify as knowing what is going on in the PS3 FW does it?

      I truly have not followed his work as much as I maybe should have, but all the posts I read in his defence only quote PSGroove.

      I have zero ability at writing code, but to the ones who do have some knowledge I would ask if anyone has actually tested the 'clues' he gives as being genuine or just pants?

      Either way it will end the arguments on whether he is talking garbage or not.

    57. Annelies
      03-29-2011
      04:49 AM
      57

      Originally Posted by japsander
      crazycritz, without him and psgroove we would all have been forced to use expensive dongles with poor support/updates and even the clones were based around psgroove as well as all the payloads since.

      just because he doesn't do what you want doesn't make him full of ****
      I wonder how many times you've had to explain that.

      Anyways, as I've stated earlier, everyone should just BE QUIET AND WAIT to see what comes out of this, THEN talk.

    58. cricido
      03-29-2011
      04:53 AM
      58

      I can write the link? for cfw 3.60 ?

    59. japsander
      03-29-2011
      04:56 AM
      59

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      I personally have no real gripe against him, but cloning a usb dongle does not reaaly qualify as knowing what is going on in the PS3 FW does it?

      I truly have not followed his work as much as I maybe should have, but all the posts I read in his defence only quote PSGroove.

      I have zero ability at writing code, but to the ones who do have some knowledge I would ask if anyone has actually tested the 'clues' he gives as being genuine or just pants?

      Either way it will end the arguments on whether he is talking garbage or not.
      I know what you mean but psgroove was a major release and as such, he should be shown respect instead of all this straight up *****ing about him.
      he also added quite a few keys to the list after the epic fail.

      sure he's arrogant and loves the attention but he is actually releasing enough info for the other devs to start working on releases. if he simply releases everything he knows, he will be sued without question.

    60. Wolfie708
      03-29-2011
      05:00 AM
      60

      Originally Posted by cricido
      I can write the link? for cfw 3.60 ?
      Is it confirmed?

    61. blitz7287
      03-29-2011
      05:06 AM
      61

      im stuck on 3.60 and dying to get CFW

    62. mrdoctor
      03-29-2011
      05:08 AM
      62

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Is it confirmed?
      Confirmed to be fake, according to the ''7 asterisks'' site and the forums over at PS3iso.
      I can't post the links but Google is your friend.

    63. Wolfie708
      03-29-2011
      05:15 AM
      63

      Originally Posted by mrdoctor
      Confirmed to be fake, according to the ''7 asterisks'' site and the forums over at PS3iso.
      I can't post the links but Google is your friend.
      No prob for me as I don't need it as I am a PSN free man lol

      Thought I would ask him though as he posted about it.

    64. cricido
      03-29-2011
      05:21 AM
      64

      yes its confirmed ***://**.nextrl.** from ITalian

    65. mrdoctor
      03-29-2011
      05:26 AM
      65

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      No prob for me as I don't need it as I am a PSN free man lol

      Thought I would ask him though as he posted about it.
      Yep, I figured as much

      Me too I couldn't care less about updating to 3.60, but since I expect a lot of links to appear claiming to be genuine 3.60 CFWs - especially after the Mathieulth coming out - a careful approach is needed!

      Also, I'm italian so I can understand what they're talking about in that thread linked by cricido. Basically they're offering "private testing" to anybody willing to send a PM containing their serial number to the moderator (it already sounds shady isn't it?) of a "claimed to be" CFW 3.60 with NTFS support, MKV support, an integrated Backup Manager, eternal spoofing support, OtherOS (sure...) and whatnot.

      Call me skeptic but I wouldn't touch that PUP with a 2 mile long stick, also 1st of April is near so...

      EDIT: April's Fool gone wrong confirmed.

    66. advocatusdiaboli
      03-29-2011
      05:35 AM
      66

      Why don’t people use torproject when releasing stuff?

    67. japsander
      03-29-2011
      05:35 AM
      67

      expect bricks people!
      early releases are jumped upon by the uninformed/misled/impatient
      always treat new CFW as fake until 100% confirmed by the big names on the scene or people who you can guarantee are trustworthy.

      it's April 1st in a couple of days, don't be the fool.

    68. Annelies
      03-29-2011
      05:39 AM
      68

      Originally Posted by japsander
      expect bricks people!
      early releases are jumped upon by the uninformed/misled/impatient
      always treat new CFW as fake until 100% confirmed by the big names on the scene or people who you can guarantee are trustworthy.

      it's April 1st in a couple of days, don't be the fool.
      This man speaks the truth. You're a fool to do otherwise!

      I always [this isn't meant to sound offensive] use other people as scapegoats until I'm positive about my decision to update to a newer firmware. I'll be damned if I brick my PS3 anytime soon!

    69. gliitch
      03-29-2011
      06:03 AM
      69

      is that fudge i see before me? Japsander! :O siding with the enemy *scowls*

    70. Wolfie708
      03-29-2011
      06:05 AM
      70

      Originally Posted by mrdoctor
      Yep, I figured as much

      Me too I couldn't care less about updating to 3.60, but since I expect a lot of links to appear claiming to be genuine 3.60 CFWs - especially after the Mathieulth coming out - a careful approach is needed!

      Also, I'm italian so I can understand what they're talking about in that thread linked by cricido. Basically they're offering "private testing" to anybody willing to send a PM containing their serial number to the moderator (it already sounds shady isn't it?) of a "claimed to be" CFW 3.60 with NTFS support, MKV support, an integrated Backup Manager, eternal spoofing support, OtherOS (sure...) and whatnot.

      Call me skeptic but I wouldn't touch that PUP with a 2 mile long stick, also 1st of April is near so...

      EDIT: April's Fool gone wrong confirmed.

      Where do I sign up for it?........... Not!! lol

    71. fromzero
      03-29-2011
      06:53 AM
      71

      First off you ****ing retards, the man is making immense progress. Maybe he's a little scared, sure, you gonna give him the million like Graf is being sued for? Didn't think so. So shut the **** up. He's given the info to make the hacks possible, maybe it's just too ****ing much coding for him, people have lives. Like Geohot said, hacking the ps3 isn't my life, I gotta get laid sometime. Imagine if all that you did was read the ps3 forums and **** or get to play your games... or even go to work to pay your bills. Get off of his dick. Have you ever sat in #ps3dev on efnet? The man seriously helped out a **** ton of hackers to do their thing. That's usually why teams evolve. Sure, people like geo can share info and steal the spotlight... Then you just get sued. Anyone heard about the failed0verflow suit lately? Not really.


      For anyone *****ing about wanting to play on psn... I have a very ****ing easy solution, it's called OFW 3.60. Done, if you're not willing to loose your homebrew, fine.. buy another ps3 but the fact is you're probably too cheap to support the ****ing developers of the games that you're so thirsty to play and your broke, no job, ps3 playing ass, living in your moms basement can't afford another ps3, otherwise you'd just buy one and shut the **** up. My room mate prefers psn, I prefer cfw so we have both and a **** ton of legit games. We actually have multiple copies of the same games that we really enjoy. Incase one gets scratched, for instance red dead or for 360 we have like 3 copies of halo 3, plus the odst halo 3 multiplayer disk. We support our devs and buy their games. We both have shadow / ico on pre-order. If cfw wont let me play it, I'll gladly buy another ps3. I'm also buying infamous 2 and he's buying prototype 2. Support your devs. If you truly hate sony, buy more consoles. That cost's them money. You need to buy at least 5 games for ps3 to show profit per sale. Buy a ps3 for OFW and another ps3 for CFW. That's it. No more *****ing about CFW + PSN. There's no reason for this unless you're a poor, jobless bastard, in which case why the **** are you on psn instead of applying for jobs? ******! Otherwise, you're a cheater and have no skill / can't win without cheating. If that's the case go find something that you're good at. Like btiching about CFW + PSN, write a book about it and then see who cares...


      In the mean time keep your stupid bull**** to your selves. Don't bug devs with features that they're not offering, don't flame dev's for doing what you're not. If Math sucks, **** him. He's a loser then right? So just go and do it better. Otherwise shut the **** up and let this very respected member of the scene do his thing. He understands the ps3 better than 99.999% of users on this board, if not more. Get off his dick. If he takes too long, do it faster. Otherwise simply say thanks. The real reason why Dev's stop releasing is because noobs get greedy, instead of saying thanks, they don't understand how long it takes, just that they want free games and someone else owes them that privilege. ****ing leeches. Losers. Cheaters. Bums. Flamers. Trolls.




      summary want psn? use ofw
      don't cheat, don't spam, don't pirate, don't *****, don't flame devs, don't ask for **** that's not being offered and don't ask when it's going to be ready. If they knew that, it'd be out by now.

    72. depblkman
      03-29-2011
      06:58 AM
      72

      oooooo a new CFW!!! I now dub this weekend to be "BRICK MANIA".
      All those who got scared and upgraded too soon and are desperate to upgrade, i salute you.

      Do anyone really need cloud storage or online play that badly? most of us, including myself, bought a 2nd Ps3 just to stay legit. (actually, i bought it for the kids). I'll wait for one of the major players to develop a cfw with confirmed video.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************

      Originally Posted by fromzero
      First off you ****ing retards, the man is making immense progress. Maybe he's a little scared, sure, you gonna give him the million like Graf is being sued for? Didn't think so. So shut the **** up. He's given the info to make the hacks possible, maybe it's just too ****ing much coding for him, people have lives. Like Geohot said, hacking the ps3 isn't my life, I gotta get laid sometime. Imagine if all that you did was read the ps3 forums and **** or get to play your games... or even go to work to pay your bills. Get off of his dick. Have you ever sat in #ps3dev on efnet? The man seriously helped out a **** ton of hackers to do their thing. That's usually why teams evolve. Sure, people like geo can share info and steal the spotlight... Then you just get sued. Anyone heard about the failed0verflow suit lately? Not really.


      For anyone *****ing about wanting to play on psn... I have a very ****ing easy solution, it's called OFW 3.60. Done, if you're not willing to loose your homebrew, fine.. buy another ps3 but the fact is you're probably too cheap to support the ****ing developers of the games that you're so thirsty to play and your broke, no job, ps3 playing ass, living in your moms basement can't afford another ps3, otherwise you'd just buy one and shut the **** up. My room mate prefers psn, I prefer cfw so we have both and a **** ton of legit games. We actually have multiple copies of the same games that we really enjoy. Incase one gets scratched, for instance red dead or for 360 we have like 3 copies of halo 3, plus the odst halo 3 multiplayer disk. We support our devs and buy their games. We both have shadow / ico on pre-order. If cfw wont let me play it, I'll gladly buy another ps3. I'm also buying infamous 2 and he's buying prototype 2. Support your devs. If you truly hate sony, buy more consoles. That cost's them money. You need to buy at least 5 games for ps3 to show profit per sale. Buy a ps3 for OFW and another ps3 for CFW. That's it. No more *****ing about CFW + PSN. There's no reason for this unless you're a poor, jobless bastard, in which case why the **** are you on psn instead of applying for jobs? ******! Otherwise, you're a cheater and have no skill / can't win without cheating. If that's the case go find something that you're good at. Like btiching about CFW + PSN, write a book about it and then see who cares...


      In the mean time keep your stupid bull**** to your selves. Don't bug devs with features that they're not offering, don't flame dev's for doing what you're not. If Math sucks, **** him. He's a loser then right? So just go and do it better. Otherwise shut the **** up and let this very respected member of the scene do his thing. He understands the ps3 better than 99.999% of users on this board, if not more. Get off his dick. If he takes too long, do it faster. Otherwise simply say thanks. The real reason why Dev's stop releasing is because noobs get greedy, instead of saying thanks, they don't understand how long it takes, just that they want free games and someone else owes them that privilege. ****ing leeches. Losers. Cheaters. Bums. Flamers. Trolls.




      summary want psn? use ofw
      don't cheat, don't spam, don't pirate, don't *****, don't flame devs, don't ask for **** that's not being offered and don't ask when it's going to be ready. If they knew that, it'd be out by now.
      WOW!!! we get the point!!! thank goodness for the filter or this message would have been very scary...

    73. Icepuppy
      03-29-2011
      08:15 AM
      73

      fromzero is right, anyone with a brain already has two consoles. If any of these **** tards could spend a tenth of the time they do whining actually working they could afford their second console and could indeed shut the **** up. I bought and repaired 4 PS3's from ebay fairly easily, that's how I paid for my slim. Anyone asking these questions should be warned and then banned, simple.

    74. advocatusdiaboli
      03-29-2011
      08:17 AM
      74

      Most people with brains only has one console, offline, as supporting Sony is not an intelligent thing to do.

    75. Icepuppy
      03-29-2011
      08:31 AM
      75

      Originally Posted by advocatusdiaboli
      Most people with brains only has one console, offline, as supporting Sony is not an intelligent thing to do.
      Ummm... consoles are still costing Sony money to sell, have you not read that? Profits come in after about 5 game sales, as has been widely reported. Commenting before reading is not an intelligent thing to do, neither are grammatical errors but never mind that.

    76. japsander
      03-29-2011
      08:35 AM
      76

      Originally Posted by Icepuppy
      Ummm... consoles are still costing Sony money to sell, have you not read that? Profits come in after about 5 game sales, as has been widely reported. Commenting before reading is not an intelligent thing to do, neither are grammatical errors but never mind that.
      actually, Sony have been making a profit from consoles for quite some time.
      http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/06/...t-ps3-hardware

    77. Icepuppy
      03-29-2011
      08:55 AM
      77

      Originally Posted by japsander
      actually, Sony have been making a profit from consoles for quite some time.
      http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/06/...t-ps3-hardware
      Fair enough, information to the contrary has been posted here many times recently. And, that just means they are finally making something, that could be .50 cents and it is obvious that over 90% of the revenue is from games and accessories.

      Shuhei Yoshida, president of Sony's Worldwide Studios, let it be known that Playstation's parent company's finally making money on every PS3 it sells. The quote from IGN:

      "This year is the first time that we are able to cover the cost of the PlayStation 3," Yoshida said. "We aren't making huge money from hardware, but we aren't bleeding like we used to."

      So, we are talking about covering the cost of the hardware, nothing more. And that is since July 2010, so 8 months later I don't think Sony has recovered their money from the 75 million (not a typo) consoles it has already sold (by 2010). How long do you think it will take to earn that profit back on consoles alone?

      http://www.mcvuk.com/news/39800/Sony...on-PS3-at-last

      Either way, I don't think a few extra consoles is going to change much here. My point was that there are solutions for most peoples scenarios, and whining for solutions that are not available is not helping anything.

    78. Wolfie708
      03-29-2011
      10:59 AM
      78

      @fromzero

      Try starting a post without the insult and I may read it. I don't know about others, but when I am reffered to as a f**king retard I have a tendency to just ignore whatever is being said lol

    79. Icepuppy
      03-29-2011
      12:11 PM
      79

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      @fromzero

      Try starting a post without the insult and I may read it. I don't know about others, but when I am reffered to as a f**king retard I have a tendency to just ignore whatever is being said lol
      I think he's referring to the same group of people I was. Everyone is just getting fed up of trying to keep interesting and relevant threads free of irrelevant questions and wasted posts.

      Back to the topic, does anyone else think the original cell reset line exploit is being used for the latest hacks? Isn't this required to dump the memory that is sitting in RAM after the bootloader decrypts LV0?

    80. tonymontana079
      03-29-2011
      12:57 PM
      80

      Goehot
      Mathieulh
      Kakaroto
      Naima
      Graf_Chokolo
      Kmeaw
      PSP:Dark_Alex

      Thats all you need to destroy the scene or to piss everybody off (in theory).

      Did you mean piss off manufacturers and make everyone else happy?
      Dont think they will destroy the scene if anything they will be the reason why this scene is still going.

      Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/03/mathie...#ixzz1I0lF1WRF

      For anyone flaming matheulh, i wouldnt bother he will make you eat your own words and i think this may have been made public to do just that. He was very helpful on the PSP scene and i got a bit annoyed with all the stuff he said he could do then releasing nothing and he has made me eat my words by posting this. So a big sorry to math for doubting you on PS3 but as you didnt release anything for the ps3 I thought it was all lies like some other users do well not lies but maybe a bit more than what you had actually acheived. Ohh how wrong i was keep up the good work and if you need someone to post something anonymously then i can sort it for you just pm me and ill give you the details to send it to then upload whatever you want to share.
      Of course im not expecting you to do this but if you need it i can do it.

      Would love to see some of your coding skills put to use on the ps3 though with actual releases as the more devs we have the more chance we got of keeping the scene alive. Also it makes it easier for new devs to become part of the scene. im currently learning C++ and understand the ps3 uses this language combined with javascript. I just want to see if i can do something for the ps3 too may even make it my college project if anyone will support me by helping when i run into a problem coding.

    81. JPOrtiz831
      03-29-2011
      01:33 PM
      81

      3.56 downgrade or jailbreak should be here already. I just got a slim for really cheap it had 3.56 on it luckily i have other ps3s with 3.55 or lower on it

    82. komoda11
      03-29-2011
      04:31 PM
      82

      in america everything is wrong if you bought a ps3 it is yours and whatever you do with the ps3 it doesnt concern sony they dont have rights to sue people

    83. jaggy
      03-29-2011
      05:04 PM
      83

      it's funny, so many comments saying "you shouldn't rage against mathieullh, you guys aren't worth anything to the comunity" yeah, such comments ARE helpfull for the comunity

      And honestly, most people in here ARE pirates, and will always be, don't whine about it really :/ it has been PROVEN that pirates spend more on games on a yearly basis then non pirates... all the rest is just bull****, learn to deal with it...

    84. FortyThieves
      03-29-2011
      09:27 PM
      84

      **** yeah!!i hope mybe there will be one soon,i would love to get online
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************

      Originally Posted by jaggy
      it's funny, so many comments saying "you shouldn't rage against mathieullh, you guys aren't worth anything to the comunity" yeah, such comments ARE helpfull for the comunity

      And honestly, most people in here ARE pirates, and will always be, don't whine about it really :/ it has been PROVEN that pirates spend more on games on a yearly basis then non pirates... all the rest is just bull****, learn to deal with it...
      im not going to lie,im a pirate

      Killzone 3 and Homefront are the **** !

    85. Icepuppy
      03-30-2011
      07:38 AM
      85

      Anyone care to talk more about the topic of this post?

    86. Nephasto
      03-30-2011
      08:49 AM
      86

      To all those thinking that they need CFW for online and PSN play take in account that this is only the beginning of things to come.
      http://kotaku.com/#!5787039/rumor-mo...e-pass-to-play
      Get used to this. If you want future online play like with say Modern Warfare 3 or Battlefield 3 you will need to buy an online pass anyways. Dont think that hacker can do anything about this. So just be grateful by what they can do and dont pester them anymore.

    87. jaggy
      03-30-2011
      11:34 AM
      87

      Originally Posted by Nephasto
      To all those thinking that they need CFW for online and PSN play take in account that this is only the beginning of things to come.
      http://kotaku.com/#!5787039/rumor-mo...e-pass-to-play
      Get used to this. If you want future online play like with say Modern Warfare 3 or Battlefield 3 you will need to buy an online pass anyways. Dont think that hacker can do anything about this. So just be grateful by what they can do and dont pester them anymore.
      Online passes are just number which are vallidated by a computer, aslong as they don't use specific dvd bound codes, those passes CAN be faked, not so long ago many pc products used such a passes, fact is, they ARE cracked easly

    88. djhazardous
      03-30-2011
      11:40 AM
      88

      I wouldn't be so sure about that, since CD Keys for PC Games have existed for years and only the legitimate ones work online.

      Still, $10 to play a game you really like online is no big deal.

    89. stuck?
      03-30-2011
      11:47 AM
      89

      Originally Posted by djhazardous
      Still, $10 to play a game you really like online is no big deal.
      But that's also $10 (and taxes) on top of an already $59.99 (or even $69.99) game.

      So, that's ALMOST $100 to spend on a new game, and on online play. 4 games = the price of a new system.

      Sometimes, I can't justify buying games for those prices. Just wait 6 months or maybe a bit longer for them to come down 30-40$ or go to the.. ...collection... thing... where it's a greatest hits game!

      I do, enjoy playing online. But, making people pay a fee just to have access to online features... not very enticing. I realize it's an attempt to fight piracy, and I agree with how they may choose to fight it. But it really doesn't give me much enticement. Maybe through an extra in there too, give us a little bit for our money. Or drop the price of the game by $5 or something...

      I know if you drop the game price you still pay it with that $10 fee, but.. $5 is $5. Maybe I'm just not thinking properly..my logic comes across skewed sometimes

    90. jaggy
      03-30-2011
      02:54 PM
      90

      Originally Posted by djhazardous
      I wouldn't be so sure about that, since CD Keys for PC Games have existed for years and only the legitimate ones work online.

      Still, $10 to play a game you really like online is no big deal.
      Ehrm, only legitimates work online? :s that's weird, all my pirated pc games do work online, it's all about using the correct key and the right crack :D

    91. Wolfie708
      03-30-2011
      03:03 PM
      91

      Originally Posted by jaggy
      Ehrm, only legitimates work online? :s that's weird, all my pirated pc games do work online, it's all about using the correct key and the right crack :D
      You do know that what you just wrote is admissable in court don't you? lol, but of course you were speaking hypothetically

    92. jaggy
      03-30-2011
      04:03 PM
      92

      i AM speaking hypothetically, also, I don't play pc games, i just know this stuff :D

    93. bagster
      03-30-2011
      04:12 PM
      93

      I hope this doesnt go public yet there really is no need for a new jailbreak/cfw yet. If there is an exploit in 3.60 surely it should be kept quiet until really needed!.
      If people want PSN that bad then it should be through a seperate method similar to ****PSN and the dns method.

    94. tonymontana079
      03-30-2011
      05:57 PM
      94

      stuck?
      Originally Posted by djhazardous View Post

      Still, $10 to play a game you really like online is no big deal.

      But that's also $10 (and taxes) on top of an already $59.99 (or even $69.99) game.

      So, that's ALMOST $100 to spend on a new game, and on online play. 4 games = the price of a new system.

      Sometimes, I can't justify buying games for those prices. Just wait 6 months or maybe a bit longer for them to come down 30-40$ or go to the.. ...collection... thing... where it's a greatest hits game!

      I do, enjoy playing online. But, making people pay a fee just to have access to online features... not very enticing. I realize it's an attempt to fight piracy, and I agree with how they may choose to fight it. But it really doesn't give me much enticement. Maybe through an extra in there too, give us a little bit for our money. Or drop the price of the game by $5 or something...

      I know if you drop the game price you still pay it with that $10 fee, but.. $5 is $5. Maybe I'm just not thinking properly..my logic comes across skewed sometimes

      Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/newreply.php?d...#ixzz1I7sZ2f24

      Yes I agree most games are too expensive but then �45 even �50 for a high quality game is fair in my opinion its how future games are made with the investment of sales from older titles.

      I think that games should be priced by their content and quality i.e a game with 5 levels like the first army of two was not worth the same as a game with 6 chapters full of levels. Also sports games should always have a lower price as they are the same game sold on each year with a few updates which make little or no difference to gameplay 2 examples PES and FIFA, even the stores know this and will only offer about �2 for FIFA 10 just because 11 is out.

      Just my two cents

    95. Nephasto
      03-30-2011
      06:27 PM
      95

      That is a very misinformed comment. $10 for an Access code is if the game is used not new. If you buy it new the online pass is included. And yes you may Key Generate a Windows Key to activate but how long does that last online?

    96. Honcho
      03-30-2011
      09:07 PM
      96

      just becasue u cant see it dont mean its not there eh , if it comes it comes if it dont it dont !
      untill then il just crack on with what eva

    97. mathieulh
      03-31-2011
      07:04 AM
      97

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      I personally have no real gripe against him, but cloning a usb dongle does not reaaly qualify as knowing what is going on in the PS3 FW does it?

      I truly have not followed his work as much as I maybe should have, but all the posts I read in his defence only quote PSGroove.

      I have zero ability at writing code, but to the ones who do have some knowledge I would ask if anyone has actually tested the 'clues' he gives as being genuine or just pants?

      Either way it will end the arguments on whether he is talking garbage or not.
      It wasn't about "cloning a usb dongle" that's what x3 and co did, reproduce the traffic sent by the psjailbreak without understanding it, that's not what was done with psgroove, psgroove was about understanding how the exploit works, its fundamentals, and as such documenting it and open sourcing it, that's a lot harder than just "cloning a usb dongle"

      You should also know that I've contributed plenty and not just with psgroove, Perhaps you should look it up a bit more and see what I've actually done.

      And yes, my "clues" are genuine ? Why wouldn't they be ? What interest would I even have to be spreading a bunch of BS?
      You could also ask KaKaRoToKS who confirmed my exploit's existence on twitter more than once (mostly because I told him and a few others how it works) as you can see here: http://twitter.com/#!/KaKaRoToKS/sta...17472910217216
      or here: http://twitter.com/#!/KaKaRoToKS/sta...05897852481536

      As I use to say though, you're free to believe what you want, whether you think it's real or fake is up to you, but perhaps you should try those "clues" of mine for yourselves and see if I am true to my words.

      As for not releasing, most of you should understand that I am facing possible prosecutions from Sony Computer Entertainment by just sharing keys, tools, or exploits. I do not believe this would be worth the risks, at least not for me, that's my personal decision, please respect it just as I would respect your own.

      I do remember when Geohot didn't want to release his 3.21 cfw (the one with Otheros in it, which was really just an update package swap) people started complaining (I am being polite here) at him and whining as they are doing now (with me).
      History proved them wrong just as they prove me right when I say that people wont stop to literally demand more and more, this is taxing but I have to live with it, so do other developers that do anything remotely public on the scene, and I do feel sorry both for them and the people who are whining (mostly because those could do more constructive things of their lives).

      People should learn that developers chose to release their work out of kindness and not out of obligations, that sceners only get things for free because developers are generous enough to share them, but it's up to the developers and the developers alone to chose what to do with their work, if for whatever reason they chose not to share something, you have to respect that. If you want something done, nothing prevents you from achieving it on your own. The developers have to put hard work and time to achieve their goals.

      Finally because of the risks and various other reasons that led me into not sharing actual "end results" I end up doing what I can to help other developers in achieving their goals and eventually share their own work with the community, it's the best I can do and it's not that bad given the circumstances, people should learn to do with what they have, if they have someone willing to help them out (but not sharing the actual solution) they should take what is offered to them and accept this help without complaining while using this help to perform a solution of their own.

      As the adage says, Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

      Best regards.

    98. Wolfie708
      03-31-2011
      07:29 AM
      98

      Originally Posted by mathieulh
      It wasn't about "cloning a usb dongle" that's what x3 and co did, reproduce the traffic sent by the psjailbreak without understanding it, that's not what was done with psgroove, psgroove was about understanding how the exploit works, its fundamentals, and as such documenting it and open sourcing it, that's a lot harder than just "cloning a usb dongle"

      You should also know that I've contributed plenty and not just with psgroove, Perhaps you should look it up a bit more and see what I've actually done.

      And yes, my "clues" are genuine ? Why wouldn't they be ? What interest would I even have to be spreading a bunch of BS?
      You could also ask KaKaRoToKS who confirmed my exploit's existence on twitter more than once (mostly because I told him and a few others how it works) as you can see here: http://twitter.com/#!/KaKaRoToKS/sta...17472910217216
      or here: http://twitter.com/#!/KaKaRoToKS/sta...05897852481536

      As I use to say though, you're free to believe what you want, whether you think it's real or fake is up to you, but perhaps you should try those "clues" of mine for yourselves and see if I am true to my words.
      Thank you for clarifying a few things for me, but in all honesty do you really think the masses (including me) will go ahead and risk bricking their console on what is still just rumour (regardless of whether you say it's fact or not).

      As to me looking it up, I have and sorry, but you do not figure enough in my life for me to trawl through 100' and 1,000' of references of you and PSGroove to weed out the other things you have done. No where did I deny you have done other things, but do a quick search yourself and you will see that you are primarily linked with PSGroove and also as being someone who talks a lot of hot air. The first is proven, the second is something only You can change isn't it?

      At no point does my post insult you and actually I think it is quite in your favour compared with the majorities opinion of yourself, but if you do not want misunderstandings of your work then stop acting childish and explain it, and no, that does NOT mean release a new CFW etc.

      As to reasons for giving false clues and BS, you like the attention (no real bad thing) and dependent on how you feel about your critiques, you may actually want them to try it and brick their console. I say again that you are seen by the majority as an attention seeking whore, so I have valid grounds for speaking as I just did.

      I am curious why you seem to have singled out my post when it does not say in any way that I believe you are a fake. Or is it that I appeared an easier target than the ones who do have some coding knowledge and call you a fake?

      I will end by saying again, Thank you for clarifying the PSGroove details, and I still neither believe nor disbelieve your 'clues' as I am not knowledgeable enough to do so.

    99. volition134
      03-31-2011
      07:33 AM
      99

      I agree with you matt.
      As a senior in a Computer Science degree, I'm just now starting to really understand what you guys are(were) doing with the PS3 as far as the coding goes. Sometimes when I'm bored(which is rare) I feel like I'd get started with contributing to the scene. But then I see who I would be contributing to(and I'm referring to the worst of the sceners) and I think its really not worth it because of those people who demand more MORE MORE functionality. But I really do appreciate what you guys have done so far and applaud all of you for putting up with the bull**** because if that were to happen to me I would release a forkbomb program out of hate and thats wrong.

    100. mathieulh
      03-31-2011
      07:37 AM
      100

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Thank you for clarifying a few things for me, but in all honesty do you really think the masses (including me) will go ahead and risk bricking their console on what is still just rumour (regardless of whether you say it's fact or not).

      As to me looking it up, I have and sorry, but you do not figure enough in my life for me to trawl through 100' and 1,000' of references of you and PSGroove to weed out the other things you have done. No where did I deny you have done other things, but do a quick search yourself and you will see that you are primarily linked with PSGroove and also as being someone who talks a lot of hot air. The first is proven, the second is something only You can change isn't it?

      At no point does my post insult you and actually I think it is quite in your favour compared with the majorities opinion of yourself, but if you do not want misunderstandings of your work then stop acting childish and explain it, and no, that does NOT mean release a new CFW etc.

      As to reasons for giving false clues and BS, you like the attention (no real bad thing) and dependent on how you feel about your critiques, you may actually want them to try it and brick their console. I say again that you are seen by the majority as an attention seeking whore, so I have valid grounds for speaking as I just did.

      I am curious why you seem to have singled out my post when it does not say in any way that I believe you are a fake. Or is it that I appeared an easier target than the ones who do have some coding knowledge and call you a fake?

      I will end by saying again, Thank you for clarifying the PSGroove details, and I still neither believe nor disbelieve your 'clues' as I am not knowledgeable enough to do so.
      Among the other ps3 related things I've contributed, there was (at least for what I remember of) :

      - Documentation of the self cryptography (the fail0verflow makeself and unself tools are based on this)

      - Releasing the lv2 and appldr keys from 0.80 to 3.31 (That was about 24 to 48 hours before geohot released the metldr keys)

      - Releasing a game packages decrypter (Open source with all the algorithm and keys for you to look upon)

      And plenty of other things I totally forgot about.

      (That's just ps3 related stuffs by the way, not counting psgroove itself, not counting the other exploits, hacks, reverses etc etc I shared privately with other developers either. (and there was plenty))

      I also did plenty of sharing on PSP (I was part of M33 and Prometheus (the group behind the pandora hack)) as well as other platforms such as Dreamcast (Long ago). So I believe I could say I've done my share of contributions when it comes to console scenes in general.

    101. Wolfie708
      03-31-2011
      07:43 AM
      101

      Originally Posted by mathieulh
      Among the other ps3 related things I've contributed, there was (at least for what I remember of) :

      - Documentation of the self cryptography (the fail0verflow makeself and unself tools are based on this)

      - Releasing the lv2 and appldr keys from 0.80 to 3.31 (That was about 24 to 48 hours before geohot released the metldr keys)

      - Releasing a game packages decrypter (Open source with all the algorithm and keys for you to look upon)

      And plenty of other things I totally forgot about.

      (That's just ps3 related stuffs by the way, not counting psgroove itself, not counting the other exploits, hacks, reverses etc etc I shared privately with other developers either. (and there was plenty))

      I also did plenty of sharing on PSP (I was part of M33 and Prometheus (the group behind the pandora hack)) as well as other platforms such as Dreamcast (Long ago). So I believe I could say I've done my share of contributions when it comes to console scenes in general.
      Thank you, and that actually was the main point of my original post, that without information, rumour is just rumour. By all means tell the other devs you have spoken to in private, but when you trickle feed information to the masses can you truly expect anything but doubt and negativity?

      EDIT On a lighter note, I will now change my name to Doubting Thomas lol

    102. mathieulh
      03-31-2011
      07:45 AM
      102

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Thank you, and that actually was the main point of my original post, that without information, rumour is just rumour. By all means tell the other devs you have spoken to in private, but when you trickle feed information to the masses can you truly expect anything but doubt and negativity?
      I don't mind the doubts, or the negativity, it's their rights to have doubts. What I mind are the daily insults given without reasons nor restraints.

      I also dislike the attitude of people believing that devs owe them everything, when the truth is the actual opposite.

      We are civilized people, there are manners to behave, I personally am not insulting those people, nor am I demanding/requesting/ordering anything off them.

      You should also consider that developers do not earn a single dime for their work, if I was doing it for the money, I'd be working for a modchip manufacturer by now.

    103. Wolfie708
      03-31-2011
      07:46 AM
      103

      Originally Posted by mathieulh
      I don't mind the doubts, or the negativity, it's their rights to have doubts. What I mind are the daily insults given without reasons nor restraints.
      Well now I know a bit more about things then I will just sit back and relax, although I do not think the actual 'haters' will so go stroke a kitty cat, it always relaxes me lol.

    104. Chanakya
      03-31-2011
      07:53 AM
      104

      Math,


      If you cannot release the package, then DONT.

      Give it to someone you trust in another country. Let him upload anonymously and thats it.

      the best. TORRENT IT.


      WHATS WRONG IN THAT???

      Also, can you tell me whether 3.56 is downgrade-able in future??? or a PUP for 3.60 is possible???

    105. 2die4
      03-31-2011
      08:05 AM
      105

      Originally Posted by mathieulh
      It wasn't about "cloning a usb dongle" that's what x3 and co did, reproduce the traffic sent by the psjailbreak without understanding it, that's not what was done with psgroove, psgroove was about understanding how the exploit works, its fundamentals, and as such documenting it and open sourcing it, that's a lot harder than just "cloning a usb dongle"

      You should also know that I've contributed plenty and not just with psgroove, Perhaps you should look it up a bit more and see what I've actually done.

      And yes, my "clues" are genuine ? Why wouldn't they be ? What interest would I even have to be spreading a bunch of BS?
      You could also ask KaKaRoToKS who confirmed my exploit's existence on twitter more than once (mostly because I told him and a few others how it works) as you can see here: http://twitter.com/#!/KaKaRoToKS/sta...17472910217216
      or here: http://twitter.com/#!/KaKaRoToKS/sta...05897852481536

      As I use to say though, you're free to believe what you want, whether you think it's real or fake is up to you, but perhaps you should try those "clues" of mine for yourselves and see if I am true to my words.

      As for not releasing, most of you should understand that I am facing possible prosecutions from Sony Computer Entertainment by just sharing keys, tools, or exploits. I do not believe this would be worth the risks, at least not for me, that's my personal decision, please respect it just as I would respect your own.

      I do remember when Geohot didn't want to release his 3.21 cfw (the one with Otheros in it, which was really just an update package swap) people started complaining (I am being polite here) at him and whining as they are doing now (with me).
      History proved them wrong just as they prove me right when I say that people wont stop to literally demand more and more, this is taxing but I have to live with it, so do other developers that do anything remotely public on the scene, and I do feel sorry both for them and the people who are whining (mostly because those could do more constructive things of their lives).

      People should learn that developers chose to release their work out of kindness and not out of obligations, that sceners only get things for free because developers are generous enough to share them, but it's up to the developers and the developers alone to chose what to do with their work, if for whatever reason they chose not to share something, you have to respect that. If you want something done, nothing prevents you from achieving it on your own. The developers have to put hard work and time to achieve their goals.

      Finally because of the risks and various other reasons that led me into not sharing actual "end results" I end up doing what I can to help other developers in achieving their goals and eventually share their own work with the community, it's the best I can do and it's not that bad given the circumstances, people should learn to do with what they have, if they have someone willing to help them out (but not sharing the actual solution) they should take what is offered to them and accept this help without complaining while using this help to perform a solution of their own.

      As the adage says, Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

      Best regards.
      why waste your time explaining your self to these noobs when you should be working on 3.60 cfw lol Dark alex, fanjita didnt have to explain themselves and neither should you who cares if people chat **** as they are the minority its just like no one starts a thread saying my ps3 is working but as soon as it ylod theirs a thread about it you know they are just jelouse they cant do what you can and have done so they chat crap about you on forums its like people who love a footballer but then when he signs for another team they hate him with a passion and dont even remember all the good things he did for them

      just like that so who cares if you dont release 3.60 cfw exploit to the masses you gave us enough already not saying we dont want you to release more stuff but in your own time and only if you want to

    106. projectorfreak
      03-31-2011
      09:29 AM
      106

      Please don't let these impatient children bug you
      Do you have a place I can donate with paypal?
      You are the man

    107. lebofly
      03-31-2011
      09:38 AM
      107

      Originally Posted by projectorfreak
      Please don't let these impatient children bug you
      Do you have a place I can donate with paypal?
      You are the man
      Does it look like he needs the money? Give it to me i live in a box.

    108. projectorfreak
      03-31-2011
      09:58 AM
      108

      Internet in a box
      What will they think of next?

    109. itai84
      03-31-2011
      10:15 AM
      109

      So whats the huge deal about 3.60 cfw anyway, just to go on PSN? Chances are you'd end up with a banned console pretty quickly and Sony will just release another firmware to combat it. I don't think any known dev will release a CFW at any rate, not with Sonys heavy handed tactics of late. Maybe we'll see one but more than likely it will be from someone anonymous.

      Math seems to cop a lot of flak for drip feeding info, personally I think it's great he's contributing to the scene but doing it in an almost indirect way so Sony can't point the finger. You can google ingredients to make explosives but if you blow some sh!t up that is your problem not the people who give you the knowledge... probably a bad analogy but thats how I see it anyway. Plus it's better to be made to think a little instead of having it handed to you on a plate.

      Yes I use custom firmware but for one reason only, to put the games I bought on the hard disc. Sony could add this to an update but they haven't so it's their fault to an extent why so many people use CFW. I certainly don't advocate piracy, I don't own one single pirated game, infact the last game I copied was Populous II on the Amiga but then I was a broke kid at the time. I'm sure most devs hate piracy too which is why they are reluctant to release stuff, it would be better to keep it for yourself. You want PSN access then don't be cheap and go buy another ps3 or go the official firmware route.

    110. Asmodei
      03-31-2011
      11:39 AM
      110

      Originally Posted by itai84
      So whats the huge deal about 3.60 cfw anyway, just to go on PSN? Chances are you'd end up with a banned console pretty quickly and Sony will just release another firmware to combat it. I don't think any known dev will release a CFW at any rate, not with Sonys heavy handed tactics of late. Maybe we'll see one but more than likely it will be from someone anonymous.

      Math seems to cop a lot of flak for drip feeding info, personally I think it's great he's contributing to the scene but doing it in an almost indirect way so Sony can't point the finger. You can google ingredients to make explosives but if you blow some sh!t up that is your problem not the people who give you the knowledge... probably a bad analogy but thats how I see it anyway. Plus it's better to be made to think a little instead of having it handed to you on a plate.

      Yes I use custom firmware but for one reason only, to put the games I bought on the hard disc. Sony could add this to an update but they haven't so it's their fault to an extent why so many people use CFW. I certainly don't advocate piracy, I don't own one single pirated game, infact the last game I copied was Populous II on the Amiga but then I was a broke kid at the time. I'm sure most devs hate piracy too which is why they are reluctant to release stuff, it would be better to keep it for yourself. You want PSN access then don't be cheap and go buy another ps3 or go the official firmware route.
      Well, I'll add my reason for PSN access (while using CFW): To (purchase and)download content such as Rock Band 3 songs, thereby adding to what i allready own. The PSN is just a transfer medium currently performing poorly. To say "just go and buy another PS3 or upgrade to 3.60" is to give in to $ony, and not without risk (not original HD bug anyone?). I do not condone piracy but would also like to see the equivilalent of a XBMC for the PS3 -Something that, in time, will emerge, but not likely from $ony. They milk their media content for what it is worth.

      The short period a solution might work (f**kPSN actually worked for quite a while) would mean that I could catch up on downloads and then go offline again.

    111. SixShooter
      03-31-2011
      01:21 PM
      111

      Originally Posted by mathieulh
      It wasn't about "cloning a usb dongle" that's what x3 and co did, reproduce the traffic sent by the psjailbreak without understanding it, that's not what was done with psgroove, psgroove was about understanding how the exploit works, its fundamentals, and as such documenting it and open sourcing it, that's a lot harder than just "cloning a usb dongle"

      You should also know that I've contributed plenty and not just with psgroove, Perhaps you should look it up a bit more and see what I've actually done.

      And yes, my "clues" are genuine ? Why wouldn't they be ? What interest would I even have to be spreading a bunch of BS?
      You could also ask KaKaRoToKS who confirmed my exploit's existence on twitter more than once (mostly because I told him and a few others how it works) as you can see here: http://twitter.com/#!/KaKaRoToKS/sta...17472910217216
      or here: http://twitter.com/#!/KaKaRoToKS/sta...05897852481536

      As I use to say though, you're free to believe what you want, whether you think it's real or fake is up to you, but perhaps you should try those "clues" of mine for yourselves and see if I am true to my words.

      As for not releasing, most of you should understand that I am facing possible prosecutions from Sony Computer Entertainment by just sharing keys, tools, or exploits. I do not believe this would be worth the risks, at least not for me, that's my personal decision, please respect it just as I would respect your own.

      I do remember when Geohot didn't want to release his 3.21 cfw (the one with Otheros in it, which was really just an update package swap) people started complaining (I am being polite here) at him and whining as they are doing now (with me).
      History proved them wrong just as they prove me right when I say that people wont stop to literally demand more and more, this is taxing but I have to live with it, so do other developers that do anything remotely public on the scene, and I do feel sorry both for them and the people who are whining (mostly because those could do more constructive things of their lives).

      People should learn that developers chose to release their work out of kindness and not out of obligations, that sceners only get things for free because developers are generous enough to share them, but it's up to the developers and the developers alone to chose what to do with their work, if for whatever reason they chose not to share something, you have to respect that. If you want something done, nothing prevents you from achieving it on your own. The developers have to put hard work and time to achieve their goals.

      Finally because of the risks and various other reasons that led me into not sharing actual "end results" I end up doing what I can to help other developers in achieving their goals and eventually share their own work with the community, it's the best I can do and it's not that bad given the circumstances, people should learn to do with what they have, if they have someone willing to help them out (but not sharing the actual solution) they should take what is offered to them and accept this help without complaining while using this help to perform a solution of their own.

      As the adage says, Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

      Best regards.
      Wow, that has to be the most deepest most sincere thing I have ever read coming from you man. I was impressed, very nicely said man, every word. You have my respect. Thank you for everything math, it's very much appreciated.

    112. akbar987
      03-31-2011
      01:22 PM
      112

      Warning

      do not spam threads with the same question



    113. advocatusdiaboli
      04-01-2011
      11:22 AM
      113

      Originally Posted by djhazardous
      There's no danger of him releasing anything, he's all talk and always has been.

      Some people just stay positive towards him because they depend on him because he's the only talk of the scene moving forward right now, but the fact of the matter is, it's just that, talk.
      FYI: In this thread there is stated: Thanks to Mathieullh:

      Even though Mathieullh does not release stuff s/he is still a contributor of knowledge. The link was posted on April 1 and might be an april fools’ but my point still stands strong.

      Most architects don’t build the house, still...

    114. Fulaeetoy
      04-01-2011
      12:42 PM
      114

      It's still math's decision whether he release it or not. Respect it.


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    115. akbar987
      04-01-2011
      01:14 PM
      115

      hu eva cracks this code is a top man !!!!!!!!!

    116. [_DaNCeR_]
      04-01-2011
      03:30 PM
      116

      Most of you read the insults to Mathieulh. Some have said that he was being selfish, some said that he should release his findings. Some defended that he should shut the **** up.... what some of you do not know is that himself said something a few years ago that go against what he is doing now.

      Quoting: " 23rd March 2007
      Well known and respected PSP/PS3 scene dev give his opinion on the Paradox ISO Loader, here is a quote from his post on Max Console:

      Answer from Mathieulh to paradox
      I have yet to see their exploit in action, so far all they came up with were nice sentences in nfo but no proofs. If the exploit got patched in 1.54, then why don't they release anything ? It smells more and more like bull**** to me.

      The way I see it is that if pdx do not release anything within a week, then I will (and probably so will the rest of the ps3 scene) think that this is just a scam in order to promote their group. Everyone knew for more than a week now that EU ps3 came with 1.50, so it could have been long since pdx could have released it, yet I thought �maybe they plan a release for the EU release date� but yet we still see nothing and all we have are useless clues. Either they have something, either they don't, and if they don't plan on releasing anything, then they should just not talk about it. "

      Read the full thread here.

      I'm only saying he's doing the exact opposite of he previous defended.

      Graf you're the MAN

    117. a1ihan0
      04-02-2011
      04:18 AM
      117

      Honestly...I think everyone should lay off Mathieulh a bit. Even if he did release it tomorrow Sony would just patch it up...you either stay on 3.55 and be happy with your cfw or you update. He has his reasons for not realeasing and tho we may not know what they are I respect him for not caving to all the constant whining about people wanting thier PSN. I personally think that Sony should take a page out of the Microsoft handbook and just start dropping the banhammer anyway...CFW doesn't belong on PSN that just leads to misuse of CFW and makes people like us look bad. So give the guy a break, and btw my system was updated to 3.60 before I heard about the 3.55 cfw so I'm actually waiting with the rest of you.

    118. DaveOMac
      04-02-2011
      04:38 AM
      118

      Doesn't care about a CFW... a downgrade system thats what I am hoping. F*ck 3.60CFW, F*ck PSN.

    119. advocatusdiaboli
      04-02-2011
      04:20 PM
      119

      Originally Posted by [_DaNCeR_]
      Either they have something, either they don't, and if they don't plan on releasing anything, then they should just not talk about it."
      Perhaps there should be sub forum only for devs and testers? So that entertainment addicted minors with high expectations do not have to become disappointed when people tell their ideas and findings without releasing a consumer level package. Rasputin?

    120. japsander
      04-02-2011
      04:34 PM
      120

      Originally Posted by advocatusdiaboli
      Perhaps there should be sub forum only for devs and testers? So that entertainment addicted minors with high expectations do not have to become disappointed when people tell their ideas and findings without releasing a consumer level package. Rasputin?
      a private section would be nice but we dont really have enough active devs to warrant it IMO

    121. Pockets69
      04-02-2011
      06:27 PM
      121

      that and worst people would end up leaking stuff. not worthy imo, although in a "perfect" world, it would be a great idea!