Many people have been talking about the exploit found by Mathielh and some people got too excited about it. His exploit would let us hack all future firmwares which are soon to come.
Whether or not it can be compared with the exploit that geohot used to obtain metldr keys is still not clear, even from Mathieulh himself since geohot has been keeping his mouth shut about it although he did told everyone on IRC, the metldr exploit was done (or use) on a OtherOS enabled 3.15 console.
Now, Mathielh posts:
Actually the revocation list exploit doesn’t allow you to exploit isoldr, you could however sign a revoke list if you had the revocation list keys and knew the sign fail, and use that to dump isoldr. Metldr does not load revocation lists.
@jarmster
Ya well without a disassembly i guess its all speculation isn’t it math
This has been tested, how do you think I could release the lv2ldr and appldr keys ? (about 24hrs before Geohot showed up with metldr keys) This has been tested, how do you think I could release the lv2ldr and appldr keys ? (about 24hrs before Geohot showed up with metldr keys)
You can also dump any loader using a signed metadata (including metldr) though that means you need to have the keys for it in the first place (kinda kills the purpose)
Your entire purpose is to get the isolated process (the code running inside the spu) to jump to your instructions
For exemple the following instructions will dump the isolated LS to the SPU mailbox:
loop:
rdch $3, ch29
lqd $3, 0($3)
wrch ch28, $3
rotqbyi $3, $3, 4
wrch ch28, $3
rotqbyi $3, $3, 4
wrch ch28, $3
rotqbyi $3, $3, 4
wrch ch28, $3
up_one:
br loop
br up_one
Of course you’ll need a ppu payload to fetch the mailbox data.
Metldr is trivial to dump now that you can sign your loader, but I wont say anything more on this.Finally the problem with isoldr and the revoke list exploit isn’t so much that the exploit doesn’t work (it actually does) It’s that the payload from the crafted revoke list overwrites isoldr keys (which kinda kills the whole purpose), You can however get the revoke list keys from lv2ldr or appldr using the revoke list exploit and then sign a revoke list metadata to exploit isoldr later on. (There are other ways to get isoldr though, including the 3.60+ exploit I have (but there is at least another I know of) Again, good luck in your endeavor.
When he was asked about the NPDRM key in the equation. Here’s what he said:
There is more than one npdrm key. It’s not been released because the ones who have the skills to do it do not remotely care about pirating playstation store games (obviously).
03-22-2011
05:07 PM
Moved to front page.
03-22-2011
05:17 PM
You really think you should have front paged this? Are you trying to get the sued? I am just saying if he helps the keep it on the down low.
03-22-2011
05:21 PM
If Mathieulh really wanted this to be kept a secret, he wouldn't have said anything would he?
03-22-2011
05:25 PM
it would not supprise me if the ps3 goes down the same road as the psp. one day a new dev will appear with a cfw, the dark alex echo!!
03-22-2011
05:27 PM
and the thing about thee psp is nobody cared if they couldnt play online, people (like me) just wanted Iso's and Cso's (free games)
03-22-2011
05:29 PM
but at the end of the day, he is smarter than all of us and probably has his reasons.
03-22-2011
05:45 PM
Lol Math is a modern Leonardo Davinci giving us hints inside his misterious codes.He s just saying stuff nobody can understand so it seems he s onto something when clearly he s waiting for geohot to come back and takes his knowledge and claim that he knew it all along.Trust me he doesnt have the answer,he just enjoy s the e-fame.
03-22-2011
05:47 PM
nice up! everything is at the horizen =) i think mathieulh is working on something big and thats why he isent releasing or he is just letting hint to hackers who knows the way around in what he is saying!
03-22-2011
05:59 PM
I think everyone is just waiting to see how the hearing with geohot and sony goes. I'd say once geohot wins that the scene will explode with release after release of homebrew, cfws, and other things for the ps3. So just sit back and relax and wait.
03-22-2011
06:12 PM
Some court casses go up to 3-5 years so i wouldnt get my hopes up.If anything people should realese it so that they show sony that they cant sue everybody.In my country you have stores with ps3 consoles/games and for a fee of 100$ you get a cfw installed and a 1 year waranty and get this you also get a bill.And this is not underground,the guy at the store asks you (recomends) that you get it.Thats why this whole sony lawsuite is dumb.If i realesed it here from my country legaly nothing would happen to me :thefinger:
03-22-2011
07:04 PM
everyone should know by now that Mathieulh talks the talk but never releases anything.
he's useless for the hacking community
03-22-2011
07:06 PM
03-22-2011
07:07 PM
How can they say it will hack "ALL FUTURES FIRMWARES" when Sony proved everytime to get on top of the hackers ? This is all bs to me.
03-22-2011
07:09 PM
If he had something it would be out by now.Even sony knows hes full of it by now
03-22-2011
07:44 PM
yeah you cant guarantee it will work for all future updates but our foot is already in the door sony can never completely close it thats the only guarantee...even if it means fixing the eboots for all the future games released for higher firmwares for compatibility with 3.55 and 3.41 they cant stop whats already been started everything will still be able to be worked around for ps3 already modified with cfw and the like.
03-22-2011
08:32 PM
geocold - 03-22-2011 06:04 PM
everyone should know by now that Mathieulh talks the talk but never releases anything.
he's useless for the hacking community.
Who was it that released PSGROOVE?
03-22-2011
09:06 PM
math isnt interested in releasing anything it seems. he talks too much. he should either release what he finds or stfu. he has as big an ego as geo, but none of his balls.
nobody cares that he has the exploit if he is just going to keep it to himself.
03-22-2011
09:20 PM
Everyones gotta bash on math and they wonder why he doesn't release anything anymore, that and he doesn't care that you want to play your warez on the psn :thefinger: grow up and jb 3.60 yourself
03-22-2011
09:32 PM
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03-22-2011
09:56 PM
@Lebofly I can and will assume people will play warez/back-ups of games they don't own on the psn. if you own the game and wanna play online then go OFW or buy a second ps3, it's that simple. the devs have no obligation to you to jailbreak a firmware. you should be glad math is sharing what he is, if he doesn't want to release something he doesn't have to. Why would he release it for ungrateful leechers to use and run the risk of being sued by sony. if someone else has balls of steel like geo or graf and wanna release a 3.60 jb good for them.
03-22-2011
10:13 PM
of course he doesnt HAVE to release anything. but in that case he should just keep it to himself. what is the point of him bragging about it if he doesnt want to share. that is the issue we have with him. he might as well just say na na na na na.:aetsch:
03-22-2011
10:23 PM
03-22-2011
10:25 PM
his original post about it was basically na na na na na :aetsch: since then i think he decide it was a little childish and started dropping hints that are worth their weight in gold for the people who can put them to use just becuase the average joe can't use them doesn't mean he should stop. But with the first post he proved kakarotoks wrong who said 3.60 wasn't jail breakable, would you prefer everybody think Sony had won against the hackers with ofw 3.60?
03-22-2011
10:39 PM
sounds pretty dumb to be against releasing it and then dropping a bunch of hints so someone else can release it. pretty hypocritical.
i dont know what you are talking about, no one thinks sony has won with 3.60(if they do they are misinformed). just cuz kakaroto said it was all changed, that the old hacks wont work anymore. she never said unhackable.
03-22-2011
10:44 PM
don't know about that he doesn't release it, he doesn't get sued and someone else can do the work and release as anon and no one gets sued
my bad. kakarotoks said it was an epic save and a new exploit would have to be done from scratch.
03-22-2011
10:52 PM
I can jailbreak the ps3 all firmwares and i can also make it play xbox 360 games.
But im not gonna tell anyone how to do it
03-22-2011
11:07 PM
Hey, what does revocation mean? Haha
03-23-2011
12:09 AM
@Jportiz831
LOL, seriously, lol.
03-23-2011
12:11 AM
Put geohot back on I don't like anything about Mathieulh. Also tell him he can keep his damn exploit. I would rather see what comes of Giraffe_Chocobo than this to be honest. I will have more fun in linux than with any CFW or NPDRM signed games.
03-23-2011
12:20 AM
03-23-2011
12:46 AM
the thing is math is on geo and graf's level. geo is too busy with his own life to jb 3.60, graf could care less about it, he's busy with some amazing HV hacking and math has contributed alot to the scene and has made his reasons crystal clear. if you can't be happy with the help he is giving, maybe you should take my advice and jailbreak it yourself and if you can't maybe you shouldn't knock the man who can, and don't say he is B.Sing the guy has proven he has the skills and brain to do so. If he just gave it to us nobody would learn anything and you'd be begging him to jailbreak the next sony firmware update.
03-23-2011
12:54 AM
03-23-2011
01:06 AM
well maybe those 13 year old kids should learn some respect for the devs. if they updated from 3.55 it's their own stupidity, if they bought/were given a system on 3.56 they should learn some patience
03-23-2011
01:14 AM
I've got to side with thelostdeathknight and other like-minded people in here.
It's ps3 sites like this that sensationalize any development from the devs in the first place; to which all of you who rant on a developer's ego point to as them bragging just because you don't get anything tangible on your end, much less understand the exchange in the first place. I'll admit that I haven't read every exchange that's taken place since the jailbreaking began but I'm pretty sure most conversations such as the one detailed in this article are just between the developers themselves. I read this one and I get the technical details on what to do without having to be told everything. For sure it will fly over the head of most people following forums such as this one but a lot probably would not have known about it much less get to show their immature sides without this being front paged (or any page for that matter) in the first place, right? Taking things personal and calling someone egotistical when he wasn't talking to you in the first place just because you're not getting what you want out of him that you feel you're entitled to, is probably the most common trait shared amongst people here who probably haven't stopped breast feeding from birth. That and the penchant to praise someone when they give you something, and laugh and spit on the same person when they don't. I'm not surprised that a developer will start to shy away after initial exposure to such behavior.
So either break the fw yourselves or stop thinking that whining to the developer community will get you your precious cfw. It makes the whole argument of "I bought the PS3 so I own it therefore I can do anything I want to it" weak since, face it, most of you can't do much with it without being spoon fed what to do. Finally, I don't think devs come into forums like this to show off but rather they do so in order to share knowledge to those interested in learning more regardless of their technical level of expertise. I'd do the same thing if I want to stimulate developer growth in the community. Math wasn't talking to you, people, so just get over yourselves.
03-23-2011
01:38 AM
kfallon speaks the truth
03-23-2011
03:15 AM
i actually agreee with the last few big replies!
dont moan because you updated, or trusted a friend and they updated,or like my brother swapped a 3.41 for a 3.56 cause a guy told him the 3.41 was broke........it wasnt!
if there is a cfw to be had then we will get it, moaning at the devs wont make it come any quicker,its more likely to slow it down.
03-23-2011
03:29 AM
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03-23-2011
03:32 AM
Why do you guys always copy posts from ps3crunch or others.. every time i see same posts from other sites in here.
03-23-2011
03:45 AM
a lot of people don't visit all the other sites, so if a site is the first to announce something, the news spreads.
if this site had a brand new news item first, obviously it would be quoted on other sites.
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03-23-2011
03:53 AM
i have been on the psp/360/ps3 forum scene for a good few years now. and i wish i had 1 for the amount of topics/threads/posts i hhave read with people wanting you to find/unrar/install for them. people want to be spoon fed because its easier.
imagine if he releases a 3.60 cfw, he would never get a moments peeace.....how/why/when........help!!!
03-23-2011
03:53 AM
My name is Luke. I am Mathieulh's son.
Just like my father, I happen to have some very rare powers.
I managed to jailbreak OFW 3.60 without even using a PS3. All I needed was an old Nintendo Game Boy with no batteries, a 32ko floppy disk and my left foot. I let the Wind of Life blow inside my Chi and then the code suddendly appeared in my mind, just like a lightning flash.
For those of you miserable humans who do not have the Force inside their heart and who do not understand this, unfortunately I can do nothing.
But to all my fellow Padawans who understand what I'm talking about, I trust you to follow my precious hints and to achieve the most valuable work I already started.
Thank you. That's all I have to say for now.
By the way, no irony there fellas...:aetsch:
03-23-2011
04:51 AM
03-23-2011
04:59 AM
i dont believe that guy how is he supposed to get it working on future firmwares its lie trying to play ps3 games on a ps1
03-23-2011
06:53 AM
#1 sony is sueing devs. getting sued for releasing something..sux for anyone
#2 if he released it. the same day there would be a lot of griping that my blah blah blah homebrew may or may not work on it, when will it be fixed? you broke my free homebrew by tempting me to update.
#3. I think its best right now that Sony in thier court hearings can be said that no one has hacked thier newest firmware so basically that would be helpful on the developers scene as that would only work in favor.
#4. 80+ percent only care about cfw for psn... Listen that part is SONY's baby...thier servers...etc, so drop that as a reason.
#5, if you like a game, buy it. Support Sony's developers too
#6, i want to thank EVERYONE that has assisted and contributed to the homebrew/dev scene as they have put in hard work, time, and dedication without any compensation.
03-23-2011
07:18 AM
Are you on drugs, or just like talking crap, i copy and past nothing, i hate copy and paste, copy and past is for un original idiots, if you read the news properly, you would see that not a word i have written is a copy and paste, the only sites that copy and paste are the likes of ************* and JailbreakScene, i never visit any of those sites as the are trash.
When it comes to posting news, if it has appeared on another site, the due course is to write it in your own words and source said site, Pirate and i both do that.
If any of the other decent English sites had a problem with what i wrote or posted, they would say to me, just as i would say to them and the only other decent English speaking sites apart from this one, are psgroove, ps3crunch and psx-scene, so you see you have four top sites posting news, regularly at the same time.
But i will repeat my statement, Pirate nor myself copy and paste.
EDIT:
I WILL REMIND YOU GUYS THAT Mathieulh IS A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM, SHOW HIM THE SAME RESPECT THAT YOU SHOW OTHER MEMBERS.
03-23-2011
08:00 AM
If you guys think math is useless theres something you should keep in mind. He released PSGROOVE. Now hes giving everyone hints that the hackers of the ps3 are trying right now and once they figure it out it will be released. Hes not releasing his hack because:
#1 Doing so may cause sony to raid his home(as they proved with graf_chokolo_
#2 Sony might do alot worse then just raiding his home.
#3 Sony might go on a major rampage if he releases it
As long as he doesnt release it, he cant be ****ed with by sony.
Now, I dont know about you, but I am currently following math to see what else he will give to us on basis to use, once someone figures out what hes hinting at doing, it will be done, as for release? well thats up to the first person to figure it out.
03-23-2011
08:40 AM
I dont know why half you guys are being so hostile towards Math. Yeah I know he does the whole I know it, but I'm not going to make it happen for you stance. But actually it seems he does help those that want to learn. These little hints he gives are more for people that have a deeper understanding for how things work. Of course if some end users(the majority of the community) are trying to ask for apps like JB CFW, PSN accesss blah blah blah he aint gonna help, its just the way it is. For this, he seems to get bagged. Then when he explains stuff to people(devs or those willing to learn), others seem to copy & paste his comments for all to see and yet again end users are pissed cos he doesn't use his knowledge to get them online or whatever. Yet they look past the fact that he still passed on some info to someone, that may actually help them achieve there goal of learning something and lead to a solution.
Heres have read this may get interesting if the right heads band together in a think tank.
http://psx-scene.com/forums/f149/geo...exploit-83739/
Flamefest in 3....2..... *runs out the door*
03-23-2011
09:12 AM
People, the PS3 scene seems to be the only scene that has the stupidest of trolls and dev's alike. Let me remind you all, what you/we all do is at this point is illegal and as such we are committing a crime. Which the powers that be will do everything to hunt you down and do everything they can to stop you. And what makes it worse is you guys ****ing let them, you use no protection and have information trails 10 miles long.
Answer me this, who else from any other scene has ever been done? iPhone? No xBox? No. Even ****ing Wii Dev's manged to keep this **** undercover, but you guys, you guys are a joke! And honestly, no one is gonna like me for this but **** ya, you all deserve it. The ego's in this scene are just too out of control, from the dev's that hold out to the trolls that ***** and moan that they don't want to put any effort into and get everything in return, boys the real world is not like that, so what the **** do you think it'll happen here for?
Look, there is a **** load of talent here but guys, COVER YOUR TRACKS!!!! **** the ego off and everything will be fine, they can't charge you if they can't catch you. So Dev's, when you release your exploits don't ****ing do it under your own name/nick, and why would you in the first place? Net Cred? Yeah well see what that net cred is worth then your in jail you dumbass. And trolls, shut the **** up, even you guys would have to start hating the sounds of your own voices by now.
Boys, I love what you've done and I wish you all the best in the future, but take this only advise. COVER YOUR TRACKS!!! There is a billion and a half free proxies/VPNs/Ghost/Dummy hosts out there which you should be behind before you end up like Geo. Oh, and another thing, don't put pictures of yourself up either, I mean come on. What kind of **** tard are you?
Trolls, Dev's would release more stuff if you showed respect and helped out around here. Dev's you would release so much more if you just covered your tracks knowing that there was no way they could catch you.
Only way we're gonna win this is by making sure they can't catch us.
03-23-2011
10:08 AM
@thatdudebehind
**** yeah
many valid points
03-23-2011
10:40 AM
nice first post!! hell yeah! you are damn right!
03-23-2011
11:19 AM
03-23-2011
12:56 PM
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03-23-2011
03:34 PM
'I dont know why half you guys are being so hostile towards Math.'
For the record before I say this, I don't care what Math does really, as long as he doesn't keep trolling forums with his ,albeit well intended, taunting. That being said, he basically ran into several crack houses yelling :
"I HAS SOOOO MUCH CRACK IN MY POCKETS WOOOOHOOOOO"
and then tried to gracefully leave. Like I said, he was probably just excited and all, but it just comes off as trolling to the average crack addict.
03-23-2011
03:38 PM
03-23-2011
03:58 PM
like many of you i have much respect for math and his skills but lately he has had an attitude, which is understandable since no one is grateful on these forums, but what does he expect? the internet is full of trolls and haters, he cant get mad just cuz now they are talking about him, he knew the risks when he put his name out there. he could release anonymously if he wanted to, but he wants the fame of it, so he just tells us what great thing he has done to put it in our face it seems, and that is something i have no respect for.
i love the crack house analogy. beautiful
03-25-2011
03:18 PM
im sure everyone just like me watches for the next biggest and greatest posts because its every entertaining and everyone wants to be on the cusp of the newest and greatest console technology. And you have to if you want to stay ahead of everyone else.
But when something is released like 3.60 JAILBROKEN and there is nothing to download. there is 1000s of people who posts the same bullSIHT On youtube everyday and its all fake Just like this BULLISHT.
Its now what you know its what you can prove.