Is this for real or a joke/hoax, whilst it may seem that GeoHot running away to South America, is quite far fetched, the court document, below seems to prove that he may have had a PSN account and lied about it under oath, if this is the case, then GeoHot may have put winning his fight against SCEA in huge jeopardy, here are a few quotes from the document:
The evidence clearly establishes that this Court has personal jurisdiction over
Defendant George Hotz (“Hotz”). Contrary to his prior denials, Hotz did consent to
personal jurisdiction in California. In March, 2010, Hotz signed up for a PlayStation®
Network (“PSN”) Account using a new PlayStation® 3 computer entertainment system
(“PS3 System”) that he purchased. Moreover, Hotz has plainly directed his unlawful
conduct at Plaintiff Sony Computer Entertainment America LLC (“SCEA”) here in the
Northern District of California and has caused harm to SCEA, a resident of this district.
Hotz circumvented the technological protection measures (“TPMs”) in the PS3 System
and through his website, Hotz distributed circumvention devices to thousands of
California residents. Discovery from the third party webhost for Hotz’s website shows
that approximately 5,700 unique IP addresses1 in California downloaded the
circumvention devices from Hotz’s website before the commencement of this lawsuit. It
is impossible to seriously characterize Hotz’s widespread distribution of his hacking
software in this forum as “passive.” Indeed, this is precisely the type of interactive
website activity that, time and time again, courts have held is sufficient to establish
personal jurisdiction.
Contrary to Hotz’s declaration under oath,3 jurisdictional discovery has revealed
that Hotz did register for a PSN account. In response to SCEA’s inspection demand,
Hotz identified four PS3 Systems in his possession. Bricker Decl., ¶4, Exh. C. He
explained that he had purchased one of these consoles new in February 2010 and
provided the serial number for that console. Id. SCEA used that serial number to
determine that on February 25, 2010, Hotz purchased the PS3 System at a Gamestop
store just miles from his home. Law Decl., ¶6; Bricker Decl., ¶6, Exh. E. SCEA’s records
show that the same PS3 System was used on March 10, 2010 to create a PSN account
under the user name “blickmanic.” Law Decl., ¶6, Exh. A. The IP address associated
with the registration is located in Glen Rock, New Jersey, where Hotz lives. Law Decl.
¶6. Hotz’s ownership of the “blickmanic” account is further supported by the fact that an
Internet search of the user name “blickmanic” reveals a posting discussing the
jailbreaking of cellular phones – Hotz’s original “claim to fame.” Bricker Decl., ¶7, Exh. F
(“Just curious what people would pay for exclusive rights to this solution. [Motorola]
Tracfone W175g unlocked and debranded. PM me.”) As discussed above, to create his
PSN account, Hotz was required to first agree to the terms of the PSN User Agreement
and thus he is clearly subject to personal jurisdiction in California.
In January of 2011, without authorization, Hotz accessed and circumvented the
technological protection measures in the PS3 System. Not only did Hotz publish the
“Metldr Keys” on his website, he also provided links on his website to his other
circumvention devices, including the 3.55 Firmware JailBreak and the Signing
Tools, encouraging and enabling individuals to download these circumvention
devices, and thus facilitating video game piracy. Bricker Decl., ¶9, Exh. H.
Indeed, discovery from the web host for Hotz’s website shows that individuals from
approximately 5,700 unique IP addresses in California downloaded Hotz’s circumvention
devices prior to SCEA’s filing of this lawsuit. Bricker Decl., ¶10; Pierce Decl., ¶6, Exh. A.
By the time this Court’s injunction issued, the number of downloads in California had
increased to approximately 13,300. Even after the TRO required that the devices be
removed, approximately 3,200 unique IP addresses in California still tried to download
the circumvention devices. Bricker Decl., ¶10.
The large volume of downloads from Hotz’s website was not a fluke. Hotz
promoted his circumvention device by publishing a link to geohot.com at www.psxscene.
com, an online forum for PlayStation hackers and gamers.
When SCEA echoed TIG’s request that the components of the hard
drives be delivered immediately, Hotz’s counsel responded that Hotz was in South
America.
To continue reading the PDF, grab it here.
Source
UPDATE
Popular legal website, Groklaw has also mentioned the possibility of GeoHot having a PSN account, read what they have to say about it here.
UPDATE 2
IGN and The Wired were able to get information from Geohot’s attorney regarding the manner:
“The ‘integral components’ SCEA is talking about are stock controller cards, not the hard drives themselves,” Kellar told IGN in an e-mail. “The neutral subsequently had to explain to SCEA the form and function of hard drive controller cards. Those controller cards have since been provided to the neutral so the point is moot.”
Kellar also states Hotz is using the donation money he received for the lawsuit only and will donate any leftover funds after the case has been resolved.
“You can never take a vacation from a lawsuit. Mr. Hotz has had to make himself available 24/7 for this litigation, which has been quite demanding on him,” he said. “You have to remember that Mr. Hotz didn’t choose to fight this battle, but now that he has been sued, he has put his heart into fighting this case that has enormous implications for consumers world-wide.”
“As for any question as to whether Mr. Hotz has used donation money to take a trip to South America, that’s pretty silly. Litigating against a massive company like Sony, who is represented by five attorneys, is very costly for a 21-year-old,” Kellar added. “The donation money George has received is being used exclusively for his legal defense. If there are any funds left after the lawsuit, George is planning to donate the money to the EFF [Electronic Frontier Foundation].”
Stewart Kellar, Hotz’s attorney, said the issue is overblown.
“They didn’t have the controller card attached. That’s it,” Kellar said in a telephone interview Wednesday from his San Francisco office.
He said that Hotz has since turned over the cards, solving the problem.
Sony did not respond for comment.
Hotz, who is also well-known in iPhone hacking circles, so far is fighting the case on jurisdictional grounds, and maintains he should be sued in New Jersey instead of California.
As part of that battle, Sony claimed that it uncovered evidence that Hotz maintained an account on Sony’s PlayStation Network, which is based in Northern California. Hotz had denied holding a PSN account.
In its filing, Sony also pointed out that Hotz has left the country.
“Hotz conveniently traveled to South America in the midst of jurisdictional discovery, including his court-ordered deposition,” Sony said.
“I don’t want to comment on that stuff,” Kellar said. “He has done nothing to make himself unavailable.”
UPDATE 3:
Update from Geohot’s blog, says he has not fled and is merely on vacation.
Factually, it’s true I’m in South America, on a vacation I’ve had planned and paid for since November. I mean, it is Spring break; hacking isn’t my life. Rest assured that not a dime of legal defense money would ever go toward something like this. And of course Townsend loves the idea of painting me as an international fugitive. I have been in contact with my lawyers almost every day; I would not let the case suffer. That said, I also won’t let this ridiculous lawsuit run my life either. Then the fearmongerers win.
I will be back, I hear it’s hard to come by the Xperia Play down here.
03-23-2011
07:57 AM
what is the source for this story ?
03-23-2011
07:58 AM
Only the link I provided above.
03-23-2011
08:22 AM
Thank you Sexbox, front paged, whilst i have doubts about him running away, the court documents are filed by http://docs.justia.com, who belong to http://justia.com.
03-23-2011
08:41 AM
So what if he has a psn account, the terms are unreasonable, I mean Sony think they still own the ps3 console after having sold it to you!
" 5,700 unique IP addresses in California downloaded the circumvention device" I bet that;s just the number of hits to the site, how can they prove each visitor downloaded something, and maybe it was not he cfw either.
As for the psn account, its circumstantial evidence, no proof t wa him who created the account, maybe he lent it to a friend or something and they created an account :P
The big question is, When is Sony going to sue itself for Causing Harm to SCEA and SCEJ? Also will be subpoena Paypal to give all the details of people who donated to geohot and try to sue them claiming them to be accessories to geohot's actions?
Bad news from all of this, if geohot lied, the judge will automatically rule in favour of Sony.
03-23-2011
08:45 AM
I smell so much BS, I just threw up.
5700 IP's from Cali? Maybe.
5700 D/L's from Cali? no way... no frikken way.
I bet there's less than 20k people world wide that have a Hacked PS3...
The Math just dont add up.
Hoaxers suck more than dev's who troll.
03-23-2011
08:46 AM
If he has lied, this will be his downfall and if he has really "run away", then he has no hope and all of those people that donated, did so, for nothing.
There has to be loads more than that, 20,000 is such a small number, compared to the consoles out there.
03-23-2011
08:49 AM
Google "blickmanic"
All results are about this post on various forums.
So doing an internet search, Like they say... dont show up jack.
03-23-2011
08:50 AM
lol run away, you guys are funny...
03-23-2011
08:52 AM
It does look grim, but there is one ray of light at least...
Sony forgot to issue an order preventing him from modifying or deleting items when they first started this case; he had a whole week to delete anything even remotely incriminating...and it would not have been a crime as there was no court order to leave the stuff alone.
You know, I almost hope he is in S. America under the protective wing of some druglord hacker guy or something...all these court cases really get in the way of his hacking.
03-23-2011
09:03 AM
Updated front page:
03-23-2011
09:08 AM
This definitely sounds out of character for what we know of geohotz.
03-23-2011
09:12 AM
can't read link
03-23-2011
09:12 AM
This news is now also mentioned on the popular sixthaxis site:-
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/03/...ohot-heats-up/
03-23-2011
09:13 AM
03-23-2011
09:24 AM
Thanks, fixed
03-23-2011
09:28 AM
Ok..... In this document i see the word "PURCHASED a ps3". PURCHASED. Ok let me make this more visible: PURCHASED a ps3. So he OWNED the console. He gave sony money for his 4 ps3s!!! Ok and if he had the account... Did he use it to hack anything with it? Did he use it to get online with a hacked ps3? To cheat? To steal other users info? To spam? To... whatever?! Seriously, i don't get it... (or maybe I just need to sit and read 10 pages of sony's psn ELUA, but i don't like reading about how i don't own my, read again: *MY*, stuff.)
03-23-2011
09:30 AM
Bye Bye Geo-Hotz :D
03-23-2011
09:36 AM
Ok so let's ask the obvious question: Why would Geohot run? in this court doc, there is no proof that he's in south america and i really doubt that very much. then again, correct me if i am wrong here, but if geohot decided to go on vacation, what can Sony do to stop him from leaving the country to go on vacation? it's not like he was arrested or Mirandized. I haven't seen anything that states that he is not allowed to leave.
I'm also quite sure that more than just Geohot is jailbreaking cell phones and it is not a unique situation that someone is using a user name that is hosted on the PSN network. furthermore, the fact that SCEA took the time to do a internet search for any conversation that the user, blickmanic, had and come up with a statement but no name of the forum nor the date and time that said conversation took place seems kind of suspect to me.
So i wonder what would happen if someone was to use blickmanic in another forum and started talking about Jb ps3's and cell phones? would that person be "mistaken" to be Geohot? You make the call.
03-23-2011
09:36 AM
so what if he had a psn account and lied. are we not allowed to change our minds however many times sony is allowed to change their tos?
if i signed up to be a nazi, than saw the atrocities they were commiting, could i not (risk my life and) quit being a nazi becuase i didn't agree with what was happening?
sony seems to think its okay for them to change their minds on a dime.
they do not have more rights than i, i am a person, a man, i think therefor i am. what the **** is sony? they are not a man, not a human, they are a company and can change face and policy on a whim, but me as a man and locked into a decision for some make believe network i can't touch with one physical thing?
03-23-2011
09:41 AM
If he has really done a runner....What a pussy he is, And what a waste of peoples money that funded him...
The facts are Geo Is just stupid and immature and attention grabbing skinning liittle ******
03-23-2011
09:44 AM
He must have known that by telling them he bought that console new given that someone had used PSN on it was insane.....
He could still claim that someone else at his home address must have done it....solongas he personally didn't agree to the psn terms Sony don't have anything on him, right?
Also lying to the court is legal suicide given my understanding.......
03-23-2011
09:51 AM
Ha Ha
:thefinger:
03-23-2011
09:52 AM
his lawyers did confirm geohot was out of the country sometime in early march. But claiming he ran away to south america is retarded and utter nonsense.
The PSN account has NOT been proven yet.
the name/address/ip/consoleid were not supplied in the court documents (they may be sealed from public but meh)
If he bought a used/refurbed/used sold as new console then there would be a PSN account on the PS3
the account name "rumored" is not one of geohot's known aliases.
Additionally in the court documents filed by SCEA the account name changes from blikmanic to blikmaniac
A google search yields a phone hacking forum post (a picture was posted and the geolocation yields Boston not NJ)
There are ALOT of holes in what SCEA is saying and it is very sad that this is all they got from supeona-ing everyone and everything
03-23-2011
09:52 AM
Omg there s a hacker on the loose.Hide your women and children.He is armed with c++ and he s dangerous to any ps3 consoles.Sony better catch this mad hacker and put a stop to the insanity.
03-23-2011
09:52 AM
Well the runner part is 99% fake, people are over reacting on this running part!
Other than that it doesn't sound good for geohot, hope the guy stays true, i mean a lot of people has helped him out on this by donating, i sure hope he doesn't **** up!
george hotz on Peru
Yo Quiero.... ****...
03-23-2011
10:25 AM
Have you noticed that Sony has not said in any statement that they OWN the PS3 after we, the consumer, have purchased it but yet their actions have shows different? you might as well say that you paid a one time Lease agreement on your PS3 to sony. So should sony be sued along with gamestop, walmart, kmart, target, bestbuy and countless other retailers that has sold Ps3's and withheld information about a lease agreement with the ps3 and sony?
according to www.Dictionary.com, purchase means "to acquire by the payment of money or its equivalent; buy." if this definition holds true, then Geohot has done no wrong because all he did was allow others the right to customize what they own. geohot did not tell anyone else to develop any software that would allow piracy. on top of that, he didn't force anyone to d/l his work. Let's be real here, Sony is putting up a good fight to protect the PSN and to protect the intellectual properties of game developers. Nobel cause in itself and i, for one, applaud Sony for it however, Sony cannot assume that every one that calls themselves "hackers", "developer" or has been categorized as a hacker is going to pirate.
Personally, i think that sony's mad that they didn't think about making a backup manager and thinking about all the money they could have made on the ideal.
03-23-2011
10:35 AM
the software contained in the ps3 is theirs and we as users accept a license agreement to use it.
hardware mods and homebrew are beyond their control but it's having their software modified to remove security that's the issue. if we had a pure CFW using no Sony code then there would never be an issue but unfortunately that's way beyond us yet.
that's why they are going after these devs HARD.
their motivation for doing this is understandable but their methods are wrong.
03-23-2011
10:50 AM
on a lighter note, here's what's going down south of the border.
Geo gots a shwell new jobby job offer, and Geo can perhaps build a team.
Geo is getting Hermes wherever Hermes is.......
?
PROFIT.
now thats how you start a rumor!
03-23-2011
10:51 AM
yeah, come to brazil
03-23-2011
11:03 AM
Geohot is in Brazil learning Jujitsu at the Gracie academy.
Soon he'll be back on US soil to tap out Sony.
03-23-2011
11:07 AM
sorry mite be a bit off toppic but, why didnt sony get upset when the psp was hacked to play homebrew? you can still hack a psp in 5 mins so why dont they do something about that to? i dont get it, whats the diff?
03-23-2011
11:31 AM
Oh as said already, he has more than one ps3, so what if he created a psn account on one ps3 but then hacked a different ps3?
Also how can you accept evidence from Sony as they are the prosecutor? Would be very easy for them to fabricate the "evidence" they need in order to win this case!
03-23-2011
11:31 AM
having a PSN account is neither here nor there... but lying about it under oath is just plain stupid.
Sony may have made a little progress, but they are still just crying over spilt milk. And they are wasting the company's money on this when they should really be investing it into a better security system for the future!!! If they keep wasting time and money on this crap, their next system will be just as flawed as this one.
03-23-2011
11:33 AM
03-23-2011
11:33 AM
if he did lie then he is screwed,
and for all the people who dont get it, psn is not yours it is sonys you have to agree to a tos to use it and in the tos it states you wont "hack"(in more words) the ps3, if you do they can take you to court. so if he does have one then he did lie and he just caused his own downfall
Sony could be pulling **** out of there asses as they tried saying he had one before
03-23-2011
11:35 AM
this case could go on for years if his lawyers are smart they will first start with contesting the " Eula contract" to see if it is binding as that would set a precendent that sony cant afford to lose...
and we as the consumer cannot afford to lose either
03-23-2011
11:43 AM
Poor guy,he must have never imagined he'll end up in this situation....Lets hope he win's....In my opinion we cant blame sony also,because they are trying to prevent piracy.I can see lot of comments saying we brought the console and its ours nd we can do anything with it..Seriously how many people would now be playing pirated games because of the hack..it's a major loss for the developers..i am not saying the hack is bad or anything but people are misusing it thats all and sony is simply trying their best to protect the developers..
03-23-2011
11:46 AM
Again I say....geohot is NOT a hacker...he just steals the limelight from other people. A hacker would have known that this stuff would tie back to him. He would have known that businesses track serial numbers, he woulda known that his home IP address is not a good place to register a fake PSN account, the list goes on about how little he actually understands about tracking. Skilled is as much as I'm willing to give him. Hacker? no sir...(not even for metldr)
03-23-2011
11:51 AM
When we purchase a PS3 we are not given a lease agreement...Sony can't repo our console for one simple fact... we own it and they do not... What we choose to do to our property is our business plain and simple. The TOS and EULA are not even in play here... whether he has a PSN account or not doesn't matter... If you make a deal with someone and then they break their part of the agreement, it makes the deal then void and null... Sony broke the agreement by removing OtherOS.
Now that being said... If you intend to play online with your console, Sony has every right to ban your console from PSN access... however if they cripple your console like how Microsoft has done, they are also in breach of their EULA.
If they want to ban you, Sony should simply ban your PSN account, send you a check with the remaining amount of credits you may have purchased and call it a day...
03-23-2011
11:51 AM
Well, technically they're not wasting the company's cash. They have reserves for this very reason (anti-piracy, lawsuits, etc.)
03-23-2011
12:43 PM
Warning
no spam please
03-23-2011
12:53 PM
Others used those to create *other* methods to facilitate piracy.
03-23-2011
01:15 PM
03-23-2011
01:26 PM
I think a lot of people are missing the point. 'He lied under oath'.
Just saying 'So what if he made a PSN account?', it's not the point whether he made one or not. It's because he lied under oath which perjury. (It can lead him up into prison for between 5-7 years).
If this is the case, I think winning against Sony is the last thing on his mind.
03-23-2011
01:33 PM
Am I the only one who has a problem with the supplied dates?
In January he hacked the PS3
In March they think he created a PSN account and accepted the ToS
So what is exact the problem? He didn't have one when he hacked the PS3. Or does accepting the ToS means also accepting it for the past?
Edit: sorry, i see it is march 2010 and january 2011....
03-23-2011
01:37 PM
edit. just saw your edit
03-23-2011
02:00 PM
Spreading like wildfire, rumours tend to spread quicker than the truth, I'll reserve judgment until anything's confirmed.
What would be great is if this were true and Sony persue it, then it turns out that the system registered is the only one he did not perform any hacks/mods on. (never read the toc in detail, does it actually state you mustn't alter console, or just not access network after doing so - I'd imagine the former)
Sony would be all *****ing saying "yeh...but yeh..but he accepted the toc"
Judge: "Yes Mr Sony but you claim that an individual must be punished as he accepted your toc, but then hypocriticly tell him that any services (game saves, etc.) are restricted to an individual console.
I know that PSN used to allow sharing to 5 consoles, think it still does but Sony are far too restrictive. They need taking down a few pegs, they think the law applies to everyone but them. Even worse is that they think their 'rules' supercede the law.
03-23-2011
02:05 PM
The real questions, as it seems to me, are-
How was the question about setting up a PSN account laid out?
Did he in fact JB the console he registered on PSN with?
If they merely asked if he had agreed to the PSN terms on any console he JB'd, and he did not JB the PSN console, then he has not lied.
Everything here lies in the details of what was said.
03-23-2011
02:45 PM
poor kid
:thefinger:
03-23-2011
02:52 PM
The real question is are electronic signatures to an eula legal also you don't get an eula when you buy the ps3 from The retailer, the gaming consoles and games are the only equipment you buy first and then sign the contract which frankly is bs
geohotz case will set alot of precedents and no matter what your personal opinion on him this is a case that you as a consumer can't affford to lose as it will extend past just the ps3
03-23-2011
02:59 PM
it may be obscure, but they have bases covered most of the time. they dont hide facts from you, they just dont put them in plain sight.
it sucks
03-23-2011
03:20 PM
knowing sony and the court system they could use another system saying he signed up which binds him into a agreement :| who knows :\
money can make amazing things happen but i doubt any of this is true >.>
03-23-2011
03:20 PM
03-23-2011
03:21 PM
this is ridiculous just like all their other stupid claims
Not only did Hotz publish the
Metldr Keys on his website, he also provided links on his website to his other
circumvention devices, including the 3.55 Firmware JailBreak and the Signing
Tools, encouraging and enabling individuals to download these circumvention
devices, and thus facilitating video game piracy
How does that encourage piracy lol Infact he went out of his way to try and prevent piracy and allow only homebrew from this BEFORE they decided to take him to court. I hope Geos Lawyers are smart enough to nit pick all these ridiculous statements scea makes . If Sony wins this and quite frankly with this judge they have who seems like she dont know the first thing about computers and/or video games or piracy, then this will spark a lot of big wig companys to try and tackle the little guys. This would be a prime example of the rich getting richer from the middle/low class guys. when that happens you can expect the country to look like egypt a cpl months ago or even libya now lol Sony needs to suck it up and stop acting like little panzy ass babys ....waaaa he hacked my ps3 BFD you retards ps3 is outdated its time for ps4 They should sue Kevin Butler for publishing the same key geo did in a twitter....But no they keep putting him in stupid ass commercials hoping to sell their **** . like the Killzone 4 lol OMG OMG OMG Kevin Butler plays KZ4 everyone lets run out and buy it ..... NO you ****** bags. Noone really cares about him . Put someone like Charlie Sheen in a commercial playing KZ4 and watch sales go thru the roof.
Nuff Said
03-23-2011
03:21 PM
Update: PS3 Hacker Case GeoHot
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/115/1157239p1.html
Sony says hard drives were delievered with missing components.
Noted PlayStation 3 hacker George Hotz is currently enjoying his time in South America as Sony continues to build its case over the console's recent security breach.
New court documents reveal the hard drives Hotz was ordered to deliver were done so with key pieces missing. The Intelligence Group, the third-party group behind inspecting Hotz's hard drives for evidence, are now asking him to hand over the rest of the components.
"SCEA learned that Hotz had deliberately removed integral components of his impounded hard drives prior to delivering them to a third party neutral and that Hotz is now in South America, an excuse for why he will not immediately provide the components of his hard drives as requested by the neutral," Sony says.
"Hotz's attempts to dodge this Court's authority raise very serious questions."
- geohotgotsued.blogspot.com
George Hotz is enjoying himself in South America.
Sony also says he lied about having a registered PlayStation Network account, which establishes that Hotz agreed to the PSN User Agreement and is thus subject to personal jurisdiction in California. Sony says it traced serial numbers of PS3 consoles purchased by Hotz at GameStop.
"SCEA's records show that the same PS3 System was used on March 10, 2010 to create a PSN account under the user name 'blickmanic.' The IP address associated with the registration is located in Glen Rock, New Jersey, where Hotz lives," the document says.
"Hotz's ownership of the "blickmanic" account is further supported by the fact that an Internet search of the user name "blickmanic" reveals a posting discussing the jailbreaking of cellular phones – Hotz's original 'claim to fame.'"
03-23-2011
03:54 PM
Update:
Its also been noted on IGN and I quote:
03-23-2011
04:31 PM
sony cant prove anything and i love how this has made such big news on various sites saying, he has fled, get your facts right, flee from a civil case? come on now, and sony has to prove that it was him who actually made the account, and which unless they were there looking at him physically agreeing to this agreement there is no proof, screw you sony and the ones hatin on george,
03-23-2011
04:45 PM
@Greg
Update: Stewart Kellar, Hotz's attorney, has responded saying the missing hard drive parts have now been delivered.
"The 'integral components' SCEA is talking about are stock controller cards, not the hard drives themselves," Kellar told IGN in an e-mail. "The neutral subsequently had to explain to SCEA the form and function of hard drive controller cards. Those controller cards have since been provided to the neutral so the point is moot."
Source IGN http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/115/1157239p1.html
Edit i see someone just posted this
03-23-2011
04:50 PM
I would just like to highlight this:
ok the links are censored, i ll fix this in a sec.
03-23-2011
04:54 PM
facts will never be the basis of a thread with rumour in the title.
this title was not claiming as fact he had fled but reporting the rumour that he had fled/lied etc.
get YOUR facts right
03-23-2011
04:59 PM
Okay. Either way, let'z hope to the big man up stairs that some evidence or whatever isn't gonna get our community (in other words, US) screwed, eh? lol
03-23-2011
05:01 PM
I would just like to highlight this:
sorry but i had to double post!
03-23-2011
05:10 PM
its all rubbish. what is sony going to do if it turns out he didnt have a psn account? are they going to drop the case? definatly not! they will try and find some other reason to carry this on. what they are forgetting is that everyday they spend on geohot im still downloading games, and if geohot wins or loses i will still be downloading games
03-23-2011
05:12 PM
Did i say ps3hax? no i said various sites, calm down, can i name all the "websites" that did not put rumor in the heading. calm down ,
03-23-2011
05:13 PM
this is solely about where geohot will go on trial.
if sony cannot prove he should, by law be tried in california, they have very little chance of actually winning the case. if it is proven that geohot has no psn account then it looks like it wont be held there and geo will be on his turf.
03-23-2011
05:24 PM
Personally i hope Sony fails and has to face him on his turf. if so does that mean he will get a judge that isn't in sony's pocket?
03-23-2011
05:34 PM
also in the agreement sony state basically that after 1 year, they have the right to withdraw any service or feature from the ps3, making the removal of otheros legal, therefore making geohots statement of returning it invalid in the courts eyes.
this of course is my interpretation of the court docs that were released previously
03-23-2011
05:46 PM
I agree with you on the way they see the Tos. just wondering if the case wound up in new jersey would the current judge have to go there or would he get a local judge?
03-23-2011
05:50 PM
i guess he would have a local! not on sonys hand like that ***** miss iston or whatever the name is!
He would have more chances of winning if everything happens on NJ.
03-23-2011
05:54 PM
cool.. GEOHOTz lives in Glen Rock, NJ
03-23-2011
05:55 PM
People....
First, A TOC is not a legally binding contract. At all. It is merely an agreement with Sony. The court has to make it binding.
Second, if Geo Hot lied under oath, he can face up to 30 years in prison. In federal pound you in the a** prison. In NO WAY will it effect the result of this law suit. Sony is suing based on the law, not on their TOC. The TOC is simply used as support in their court case.
Third, remember this case is about intellectual property rights. Geo Hot being a liar or not doesn't even come into play. Sony is saying that due to Geo Hot's hacking, they have lost income. They are also saying the law itself makes what Geo Hot did illegal.
Lastly... Man I hope Geo Hot has an explanation. Now the least of his fears should be Sony. Courts take perjury VERY seriously.
Oh yea, don't forget, even if they can't prove he has a PSN account, they can still get jurisdiction in America, just in his home state. The only reason they want California is because the jurisdiction is so corporate friendly.
03-23-2011
06:11 PM
a story in the cell:
Prisoner: So why are you here in the cell?
Geohot: Hacking on Sony.
Prisoner; Bwahahaha!
03-23-2011
06:45 PM
I'm not surprised, What goes around, Comes Round.
He's been riding his luck for far to long. Time to bring a close for Egohots.
I was surprised when the donations just stopped. makes me think he Knew.
Anyone get any money back?
Doesn't do your credibility any good, when you lie.
03-23-2011
06:52 PM
umh this has even reached the legend Kevin Mitnick! hotz is a real buzz right now LOL!
03-23-2011
08:22 PM
03-23-2011
08:24 PM
Does everyone on this site seriously think they are a genius when it comes to the legality of this stuff? You guys think everything on the front page of this website is truth and that you guys are all part of some anti-Sony revolution.
Just accept that you don't need your "backup" launchers, you guys didn't increase sales of the PS3, and that you guys are ruining the PS3 with the cheaters and pirates.
03-23-2011
08:36 PM
03-23-2011
09:04 PM
Guys, this is all a misunderstanding That console that Sony talks about is mine and the PSN account was created by me!!! See, I live next door to George Hotz and weve always been good friends. At the time I bought the console, I was waiting to be connected to the internet by my ISP so I asked Hotz if I could use his for a whileGood neighbours, thats all SUCK THIS $ONY :thefinger::thefinger::thefinger:
03-23-2011
09:22 PM
I support Geo 100% in this matter, I have a ? has anyone went to watch this in court. I would hate to think that Sony and the media are putting all this info out, and all along Sony has done nothing but backed Geo into a corner and made him take a job to prevent hacking of the PS3...
03-23-2011
09:31 PM
You are pointing to the right thing: "violate consumer rights" and that is what Sony does if the real judge makes his standing point.
Ow, and we are part of a ownership revolution. Not anti Sony, but anti locking. I own the device, I have the right to have root access. As simple as it is. If I don't have root, I don't own the device. If I buy a house I also get all the keys. That is what buying is about.
2. You are going to buy me a new game disk if my original gets scratched or damaged? Remember this Xbox drama: http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/...-damage-discs/ ?
Look what M$ has: http://support.xbox.com/en-us/pages/...t-program.aspx
Does Sony have this?
Now why don't we need a Backup manager?
3. You talk like a Sony Fanboy, only the little pirating thing and the invalid cheating argument (done before jailbreaking). Nothing about we had an alternative OS for the PS3 and could use the PS3 without GameOS and now we can only run the $ GameOS.
We had an official legal Custom operating system named OtherOS. So till 3.15 we had the right to run a kind of CFW on the PS3 and Sony took that right away from us without any compensation. Just give me another computer to run Linux on for compensation, like a Vayo or something. It will not make it even for me but it will do if there is no other option for you and I might accept it
03-23-2011
09:32 PM
Updates added on front page, first post.
03-23-2011
10:13 PM
guys stop feeding the troll!
03-23-2011
10:15 PM
wonder if theirs anything to that xperia play comment
03-23-2011
10:29 PM
03-23-2011
10:32 PM
sony should worry about japan not about him
03-23-2011
10:32 PM
03-23-2011
10:43 PM
It is amazing just how fast other media are jumping onto this!
Yet none of them are reporting on Sony's actions and underhanded tactics used by their lawyers, nor the false accusation they have put forth, nor that they planted evidence by paying money into geohot's paypal account and used that as evidence.
Is this our media now? They would rather try ruin one person's life than ruin a corporation who clearly do not care for their customers.
03-24-2011
01:05 AM
I'm loving peoples comments over this subject, Everyone has a Valid Point.
I'm not sure how the court system works in california or USA for that matter. But the accusations againts geohot's situation with having a break and going to south america is a little overlooked.
It isn't illegal to have a break as long as it has been discussed and agreed between the court and his lawyer (Whether that actually is the case or not i'm not sure). He's not on parole or maintained under home detention.
Like another member mentioned - People are publishing stories about geohot rather than Sony, Thus giving Geohot a bad name and puts him in a bad position with what people start thinking about. Regardless of how many of us know that Sony is scum it doesn't help and show everyone else who reads these news threads what sony Has done in the past and present on what they have done.
Afterall How many News Articles have you read that give Sony a Bad name with this court case?
03-24-2011
02:32 AM
wow sony are getting Desperate that account could be anyone if it is his he could have joined up on the psp or pc that has nothing to do with the ps3 and even if he joined on the ps3 the old pos ah i meen tos are different from the new and did not cover alot of what they are using against him aswell as any tos he agreed when they Brought the new tos out to fight hacking have voided the old tos from the date the new tos came out
so Voiding his Agreement with sony or he could have joined on a different ps3 voiding there claims as long as the ps3 was not modded
03-24-2011
03:02 AM
I told you guys about this punk.
He messed around with his rap video, didn't take anything seriously and got caught committing perjury.
Now he is going to end up taking your money, that you donated and waste it on running away.
That's just great.
Mark my words, his actions are going to DESTROY the PS3 Homebrew dev community.
I called it from day one and tried to warn everyone here about it.
I can only hope he turns it all around, and apologizes for his actions, then he should get to work, trying to disprove, or set up reasonable doubt, that he was ever on the PSN.
It will be pretty hard to PROVE it was him on the PSN.
Non-the less, his behavior not only hangs himself, but all of us along with it.
03-24-2011
07:53 AM
I couldn't agree more.
Stay in South America.
03-24-2011
11:26 AM
Attention
You may not like someone, that person may indeed be very ignorant, but do not flame or insult him/her
03-24-2011
01:19 PM
Your post count = 2
What does this say about your post with unproven facts?
03-24-2011
01:38 PM
if thats the case then the www is......well world wide. could sony deport him to a state or city or country where he could be convicted?
03-24-2011
06:39 PM
Here is a good example, what happens if a person signs onto PSN and is a minor? What if they do not speak english but use an english console? Things like this is why our court systems to not provide the power of Judge and Jury to corporations.
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03-24-2011
07:14 PM
I have to reset my name in the database and rejoin with it, this resets my join date and post count.
On top of that, a persons post count is NOT indicative of the knowledge that they possess. The fact that you are implying that it is, speaks more about your level of knowledge, then mine.
As a matter of fact, to any moderator reading my post, please feel free to reset my post count to Zero and set my join date to the current date, whenever you see my name posting on the forums, it will be funny and I don't mind.
Either way, It is pretty easy to find the "GeoHot Makes a Rap Dis Video" topic on this site and find what I typed.
It seems like you are here to try to look important and insult people and NOT to contribute to the topic at hand. I hope that's not the case.
The entire reason I posted what I did, was an attempt to wake people up and to get more people talking about it.
The more people that are aware of what is going on, how HE is behaving and the implications of what it will cause or how it will impact the rest of us, the better.
Geo is about to single handedly kill ALL of the PS3 dev community.
I know you think that people will still be able to get around it, if he is found guilty and thats true to some extent, but what I am talking about, is if he is found guilty, also while being found guilty of perjury and trying to evade the courts, then it will ultimately lead to a LAW that will make ANY modification to the console, Illegal.
Giving Sony the right to BRICK detected consoles on the network that have been modified and actually put the modifiers themselves, in jail.
He just doesn't seem to care.
Not even after everyone showed him support, gave him crazy amounts of money, even though EVERYONE is hurting in our current economic situation.
He is repaying you all, by taking your future and destroying it. All without having ANY concern for how this will ultimately effect/affect YOU and everyone else.
The truly horrible thing about it, is there is absolutely NOTHING we can do about it right now.
I honestly can't think of any move, at all, legal or not, that can alter or prevent the damage he is about to do, to ALL of us.
And that sucks, period.
03-24-2011
07:18 PM
acct supposedly created March 10th, same day Sony DISABLED PSN for MAJOR UPDATES. Then only allowed access to 3.60 FW users when getting back on. Am i stupid for thinking he was supoena'd back in February....about the January CFW on Jan 8. Am i stupid for not saying he has not released a CFW that supports Backup managers, or 3.56, or 3.60 access. Hmm without these in place, nor did he hack a ps3 3.60 fw in 1 day to allow piracy, this leaves me to believe he did it on a non hacked system which has ZERO BEARING ON ANYTHING. Vacationing in SouthAmerica with parents, when he does not have a stipulation saying he cannot leave USA, and has roundtrip tickets...leads me to believe he is NOT RUNNING AWAY. George, y wou arent allowing PSN with your CFW, which is great why they are splitting the PSN to thier own division (which hopefully will make it better)
maybe this will help if you win, the console part will lets us do what we want...the PSN part...who cares. Make them post FW revisions for games on boxes/site so that way we can know if we purchase a game that may/may not work if we wish not to do "optional" updates. or better yet, just update to allow PSN access and stop with the FW crazyness. online = fw check, offline...who cares.
03-24-2011
07:23 PM
and who were you originally
anyway what you said has no base!!
do you have any proof he has runned away?? NO
do you know what he did with the money? NO
what we know is, he had those vacations, already planned since november, we also know that he has been in contact with his attorney all the time!
and the nickname fiasco is MR Townsend being a stupid **** and lying to the judge, trying to confuse him, it was no honest mistake!
03-24-2011
07:29 PM
It's perjury.
The best thing he could have said, would have been, yes, He did use the PSN, but only while using Official firmware.
His attorneys should have even told him that, I have no idea what THEY are doing either.
I have this video, about why you should NEVER talk to the police or the attorney of an accuser, because of stuff just like this.
As a matter of fact, let me find it, and link it here for you. It's an important video, that might help a LOT of people out on this site.
This is a video of an actual Law Professor AND a Police officer giving a lecture on why you should NEVER talk to the police without guidance from an attorney.
YouTube - Don't Talk to Cops, Part 1
Everything I said has perfect "base".
It is EXACTLY in line with the article on THIS website.
Do I have any proof that he "runned" away?
Yes, where is he right now?
He is in South America.
I don't want to hear this crap about vacations.
How many times has he gone there in the past?
If he goes there often, then it might very well be a vacation, BUT, when you are at trial and you have pending dates, you DON'T leave the country. Hell, you are not supposed to leave the STATE. It looks HORRIBLE on you and cast a HUGE shadow of suspicion on you.
Do I know what he did with the money?
No I don't.
THAT is the problem! When you donate money to a legal fund, that money is supposed to be tracked and the information on its usage is supposed to be PUBLIC.
It is NOT and that is the problem.
It doesn't matter when he CLAIMED to have planned this "vacation".
You say I have no "base" or proof, yet where is yours?
Where is the PROOF that he planned this out in "November"?
On top of that, it doesn't matter at ALL if his attorney knows about it.
That is NOT how the legal system works.
You HAVE to notify the judge for something like that.
At the VERY least, call the judge chambers and leave a message about it with his secretary, or AT LEAST, call the court clerk and notify them.
His attorney has nothing to do with it.
It doesn't matter HOW badly you want him to win, or HOW BADLY you want him to have no fault.
Do you think I want him to lose?
That's CRAZY!
I want him tow in, period. I want him to destroy Sony and everything that they are doing.
The problem is, he is ruining EVERYTHING, for EVERYBODY.
He is ultimately making the choice for ALL of us, without consulting ANY of us about it first.
Sorry man, but Sony is a HUGE company, with unlimited funds.
You have to be SQUEAKY clean in court with someone like them, or you will get annihilated. I said before, when this all started, that his actions were hurting him and will in turn, harm us as a result of them. I even wrote him a REAL letter, asking him to please listen to his attorneys and council and to PLEASE take this seriously, as the result affects us all.
He obviously doesn't care.
Actions speak louder than words.
03-24-2011
07:49 PM
you do realize that the guy they said was geohot has uploaded that PIC from Massachusetts, how could he have been on Massachusetts if he is from NJ, i recomend you to read with more attention this thread. bickmaniac or whatever is called is not geohot! this was mr townsend trying to fool everyone, but we are not stupid, i am sorry mr townsend we do not buy your bull****!
Interesting video BTW
03-24-2011
09:12 PM
@thecyndicate
why the hell would people take a vacation in a place they have been multiple times......BORING.
Personally if i was going on vacation i would go somewhere i have never been before, do things i haven't done before. As for staying in the state he doesn't live in cali, he lives in jersey across the damn country. the way you're arguing just living in jersey makes him look bad. If i had a vacation planned, being sued in a civil case or not, i wouldn't let some jerk like sony cost me more money than they already are or ruin plans i have had since before they got a bug up their bum about me. If he told his lawyers what he was up to it's all good because they are his legal representation and they can let the court know for him since they can speak on his behalf.
As for the PSN account, if my 8 year old cousin created an account on my ps3 does that mean i am responsible for it, HELLZ NO!
and actions do speak louder than words and you say you support him but your actions say you hope sony wins.
03-25-2011
12:17 AM
Bottom line about Geohotz vacation since it's pointless to argue it; you will know if its a vacation if HE COMES BACK. And here's another thing, this is a CIVIL suit, not criminal, so far Geohotz has not been charged with a criminal offense. Therefor all this hype on if he comes back, when he comes back, running not running is all MEANINGLESS.. Geesh.
Also Geohotz is allowed to have attorney's represent his case while away. He does not have to be at the trail itself. Hell even in criminal court, you are no longer liable to be at the trail, you can just send in a live video feed and that's enough, so long as the judge grants. Well so far, I haven't seen a judge tell George to get back. CAUSE IT'S NOT ILLEGAL. Wow... It's been 2 days, and frankly it's sad the amount of people care that he's out of the US. And those arguing he ran, yea you care.. So what... It's not you on trail, and if you don't break the law, you will not be.
May I also point out Geo was arrogant with Apple and won; not only did he win, his case got the law amended to allow jail-breaking on cell phones. That is an accomplishment that will have weight on this case, and regardless of whether or not he commits perjury, lies, is arrogant, didn't even hack the PS3 originally; who's to say he doesn't have a chance against Sony? Who else has stood up in the courts to fight these corporations and won against 1 of em, no one posting here I can tell ya that?
As for perjury prove to freaking courts it IS perjury. That's Sony's lawyer's job, not anyone here. So again, WHO CARES?! Debate the case sure, but don't comment on useless stuff that really has a)no bearing and b)no necessity. It only adds unnecessary bickering that is time better of spent playing games. Which is what we love, no?
03-25-2011
03:42 AM
Every single person, ON EARTH, knows NOT to leave the area, during trial.
If you do not have the sense to understand and follow this rule, when other people's fate also hangs on your actions, then evolution should step in and present the Darwin award to you.
He could have had a vacation ANYWHERE in the US, we have plenty of amazing places to visit.
At least that wouldn't look as bad.
Again, you people are ALL hyped up about wanting the PS3 dev scene to continue, and you will say ANYTHING to back him, because somewhere in your mind, you think that the more backing you give him, the better his chances at winning, or you at least hope you influence his chances to win the case.
As far as your nit picking about what state he is in, if you go back and read my comment, you will see that I was talking about the general rules and common sense on how you should act, while you have a court case in progress. It was NOT a statement just about George. It was a common sense outline.
On top of that, you don't know WHEN he planned the trip.
His claim could be just another lie, like everything else.
Not to mention, we don't even know if he is using the donated money for the trip or not. Until he proves otherwise, I am going to assume he did.
It is NOT his attorneys job, to notify the court or the court clerk that he is leaving, it is his job to not only notify the court, but to ask them before attempting to leave. I am sure his attorney outline the court notification rules, when they were hired.
As far as what you said about the PSN, has you read my entire post, you would have seen that I agreed with you.
As far as you saying that I claim to support him, that is false in the way you phrased it.
I support his attorneys and hope they win the case, in spite of the idiot.
He(AND US) would not even be in this mess, had it not been for his vanity.
03-25-2011
04:18 AM
now as for your apparent hatred of him, seriously you are acting like a jilted lover.
we all know he is a ****y ******* but you are acting as if his ego is a personal attack on you.
03-25-2011
04:53 AM
@TheCyndicate
Stop making judgements about everyone here and labelling them all the same "Again, you people are ALL hyped up about wanting the PS3 dev scene to continue, and you will say ANYTHING to back him, because somewhere in your mind, you think that the more backing you give him, the better his chances at winning, or you at least hope you influence his chances to win the case."
I have a brain and am more than capable of using it without your superior tone.
As to this comment you made "It is NOT his attorneys job, to notify the court or the court clerk that he is leaving, it is his job to not only notify the court, but to ask them before attempting to leave. I am sure his attorney outline the court notification rules, when they were hired."
Of course it it his attourneys job to notify the court of any possible problems or changes in his availability. The court deals directly with his attourneys not him.
03-25-2011
11:58 AM
it might be me being thick but im confused as to why its geohot in the docks.
failoverflow ripped the ps3 apart
geohot took that code and made a cfw
companies took that cfw and made dongles with it and made money from it.
......but geohot could be hung(figuratly speaking) for a psn account.
03-26-2011
04:06 AM
The state of California is Pro big corporations and Anti personal freedom so this is why SCEA wants the lawsuit at California. And this is also why the state of California is almost bankrupt: http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...ornia-bankrupt , all the money goes to the big corporations like SCEA and not to the people or the state
Ow, and the dongles were before Geohot his 3.55 CFW to be correct. No dongle manufacturer used Geohot his CFW 3.55 code, they al used code based on Sony's own JIG board in combination with Geohot his original 3.15 hack discoveries long time ago ( a year
also impossible because dongles don't work anymore after 3.41 because Sony has blocked this.
03-27-2011
04:21 AM
japsander and Wolfie, you need to wipe your chin, you have some GeoJuice on it.
I don't have any hatred for the guy,...YET.
I have a problem with someone acting like a moron, when his actions will end up affecting so many other people around the world.
I'll tell you what, if you EVER get into legal trouble and a Trial date is set, you just go right on ahead, and go to South America and see what happens.
03-27-2011
05:01 AM
this fight was going to happen with or without geohot wether you like to admit it or not. what would you have any hacker do when taken to court? would you have them bend over the dock and lube up? is that what you would do? being a self proclaimed scene founder you must know......
i would rather have someone fight for us who isnt afraid to back down
ok, now that ive said it (yet again) i would like to ask you something. why are you not going all out on failoverfl0w? their "epic fail" speech and explanation did infinately more harm than a crappy rap video but yet i dont see you condemning them at all.
announcing it to the world in the way they did, awarding piracy trophies and such was a lot more damaging to sonys ego, their pockets and indeed their credibility. you cannot deny this.
my previous point to you still stands, while many of us dont like geohot, you seem to hold a personal grudge toward him. you act as if he himself did all this and the whole world is revolving around him and his rap video., is this jealousy, did his 3.55 hack force you to lose money on anything you were planning to do?
and as for your previous comments about "a certain moderator" i stand by his decision when he banned you.
1. you showed no respect
2. your ego seemed to take over your brain
3. you threatened to get the site forced down
4. you even go so far as to show your elite egotistical skillz by using a vbulletin exploit to gain access to your old username.
who does that sound like to you when you combine those points?
yes that is correct, YOU = GEOHOT
now i do believe that you have a bit of youjuice dribbling down your chin
03-28-2011
01:40 AM
Here is the problem with everything you said,..
It is all assumptions tainted with your need to cast insults at people that YOU seem to be jealous of.
I have stated over and over again, exactly what my problem is with him and what is going on.
I can not help the fact, that as an adult, I understand fully the repercussions of this case and its outcomes.
THAT is what I am upset about.
I have typed this over and over again. I know you have seen it, but you just want to make up garbage for insults, so that you can feel good about yourself.
As far as my comment about this site getting shut down, you need to go back and read EXACTLY what was typed.
Instead of making assumptions, understand what was implied by reading it.
If you still don't understand it, then you need to ask me DIRECTLY, instead of inserting your own incorrect assumptions.
Instead of typing it out here, for everyone to see and take advantage of, I would be more comfortable telling you in a PM.
If ANYONE wanted to take this site down and they had enough time and really cared about it, they could do it. They could do the same thing to me. That is how the world works.
03-28-2011
02:37 AM
03-28-2011
05:34 AM
03-28-2011
11:42 PM
Look, why are most of you guys talking smack about geohot? For one, the ps3 scene would not be like it is today if not for him. Quit saying he ran, he lied, etc. You dont know anything based on what you hear from other people. Personally, I think he did not break any laws, but thats my opinion. Now I bet that right when the new jb comes out for ps3 you guys are going to be all over it like white on rice and turn your backs on geohot. Im not saying all of you are but from what I have read on this thread, most of you will turn your backs. Geohot needs our support because you all know that it is the "PS3 Users", not geohot, who has put Sony against geohot. Now ask yourself this, would you turn yourself in, right now, knowing that you have "hacked" your ps3, then went online on psn and "cheated? He deserves our support! I hope geohot reads this and can see that someone is behind him. If you do read this geo, send me private message so I know that you know you have support.