On April 1st 2011 (seriously, all the days in the world THIS day?), Sony Computer Entertainment America LLC (“SCEA“) will become known as Sony Network Entertainment America Inc. (“SNEA“). All current PSN users will be asked to accept a new TOS, failure to accept will result in immediate account closure and refund of PSN funds. There has been no set date of when you need to actually accept the agreement, but at the moment is safe to ASSUME that if you do not accept the new TOS you will remain open.
To quote (snippet of original email):
On April 1, 2011, Sony Computer
Entertainment America LLC (“SCEA”)
will transfer its online services
operations, including your wallet
and the funds in it, to Sony Network
Entertainment America Inc. (“SNEA”).
The first time you sign in to your
Sony Online Services account on or
after April 1, you will be asked to
enter into a new Terms of Service and
User Agreement with SNEA. If you do
not wish to enter into a contract with
SNEA, you may decline the terms of
service and we will close your account(s)
and return your funds. You can preview
the new Terms of Service and User
Agreement with SNEA at:
03-23-2011
10:00 PM
ohhhhhhhh boy. this is bad. I hope a fix for psn comes soon so I can at least get my PSN content back first! yikes!
03-23-2011
10:01 PM
those SNEA-ky snakes all part of their plan for world domination
03-23-2011
10:01 PM
So this means what?Accept TOS or no PSN
03-23-2011
10:04 PM
what do they mean "return your psn funds." I used a PSN card....
03-23-2011
10:06 PM
@Pirate did you just deleted my post that i actually posted 5 minutes earlier than yours and posted the same bs as yours ... and this is what you call an administrator ... and if am wrong correct me because my post literaly *vanished* exactly when yours was posted. Than if this is the way admins like you work whats is the poit of having a members news or news if what users posts are deleted and reposted by ppl like you being an admin doesnt hide the truth that you copied and if by some magical reason my post vanished from the forums than tell
03-23-2011
10:06 PM
03-23-2011
10:10 PM
yeah cause pirate surely has no source for his stuff and has to steal stuff from you!!
Grow up this is not a race to see who posts more! news are news! that have to be posted! do you feel the urge of having your posts front paged?
Its not the end of the world dude, get over it.
03-23-2011
10:11 PM
someone answer me. How is the PSN funds going to be "refunded"
03-23-2011
10:12 PM
03-23-2011
10:16 PM
03-23-2011
10:18 PM
dude he was not trolling! did you read what doa posted? that what probably happened.
03-23-2011
10:19 PM
They will be refunding people with checks written out to "chumps who used our services" becuase sony loves to F their customers in the A.
Joking aside, no clue.
03-23-2011
10:20 PM
@kingbooforums
its probably stated in the terms of servise or probably all your money inside your account(s) is going to be refunded to the credit card /debit card that was used in that or those accounts and if you used an "Plyastation Networks PSN" card than at that time they should have ppl complaining about it and by then they`ll probably have answers
03-23-2011
10:24 PM
03-23-2011
10:27 PM
If they are going to return the money in the account, what about the PSN downloads? Do people get refunds for those, is sony just cutting them off, will they be transferred over (and if so, then why wouldn't the funds transfer as well?)
BTW...sony chooses April 1 because no one believes that anyone would actually do the terrible things that sony does every april 1.
03-23-2011
10:28 PM
April 1st is the start of Sony's fiscal year. That's why the do all the big stuff then (like remove OtherOS).
03-23-2011
10:32 PM
Hahaha... Very funny Sony you got us good April fools joke.... but I don't think your supposed to tell us before you prank us...
03-23-2011
10:34 PM
03-23-2011
10:41 PM
Keep your greedy hands off my wallet Sony!!!!!
03-23-2011
11:12 PM
Donīt know about you guys, but this is the last time I bought something from Sony...they really over react.
03-23-2011
11:14 PM
do you think they will ask for a credit card to give the refund?
03-23-2011
11:17 PM
03-23-2011
11:24 PM
how am I even gonna accept the new user agreement if it asks for an update?
03-23-2011
11:29 PM
03-23-2011
11:30 PM
Just mess with people they should send the refunds to all those fake addresses listed in profiles:aetsch:
03-23-2011
11:31 PM
so basiclly go on my PC. log in. dont accept the new user agreement and get my money back?
03-23-2011
11:32 PM
Clearly an April fool joke
03-23-2011
11:33 PM
so basiclly go on my PC. log in. dont accept the new user agreement and get my money back?
Sounds like what I'm gonna do
03-23-2011
11:38 PM
03-23-2011
11:46 PM
03-23-2011
11:49 PM
im thinking as long as u can get on your account on any o jailbroken ps3 u should be fine, is that right guys
03-23-2011
11:50 PM
you know what this means to me? nothing, I haven't accepted their last TOS, and and I sure won't be signing this new one if it tries to remove ownership of MY PS3 from me.
this also means that I have nothing to fear about jailbreaking MY PS3's as Sony can't ban me if I don't have an account... effectively Sony doing this removes any control they might have over me... Score!
03-23-2011
11:53 PM
I think I may want to deactivate my account now. How do I do that again? woulden't mind refunding my purchases.
03-23-2011
11:56 PM
03-24-2011
12:00 AM
Ok so I need this cleared up sorry.
You will need to update in order to go back on PSN correct.
it will ask you for a user agreement.
you decline.
It refunds the games you have bought.
am I getting this right?
I am wondering cuz I recently got my account back but of course signing in is not possible. I went to exsisting account and put in my info. I think I got it because there is the sign in screen. Or did I make a new account? I really can't tell...
03-24-2011
12:03 AM
I have never purchased anything through PSN, but NO, they will Not refund any game you have bought because you bought it as a game and have played it. You MAY possibly be able to claim a percentage back on it if it is for online play only, but I doubt that.
03-24-2011
12:06 AM
As i said, they will only refund credit in your PSN wallet, your purchases will be lost.
03-24-2011
12:07 AM
well this sucks. So I would need to accept anyway. and nothing would be refunded.
But can you answer my question? did I retrive my old account when I went to exsisting user or did I make a new one? I went to exsisting user and used my info and I can see my message box. But obviously can't sign in without an update...
03-24-2011
12:10 AM
03-24-2011
12:11 AM
alright thanks. Still, no PSN acess and once this new user agreement comes out were all screwed
03-24-2011
12:15 AM
03-24-2011
12:20 AM
does this mean if i dont log in to psn in the next few weeks to accept the new tos they delete my gamertag meaning no more syncing trophies
please tell me im wrong
03-24-2011
12:31 AM
personally i'm glad i never had any use for the P.O.S .... I mean PSN
03-24-2011
12:35 AM
03-24-2011
01:29 AM
Sounds like bollocks to me.
03-24-2011
02:10 AM
Good, they can go f*ck themselves with their 15days tos. Soon we will take pix of our asses if we wanna play.
03-24-2011
02:15 AM
So...terminating our accounts because we can't access PSN is their alternative to console bans?
03-24-2011
02:34 AM
this basically just consolidates all Sony online services into one agreement.
I very much doubt this has come about just because of the console hack.
instead of a department for each type of service, one that spans them all will be better for cost and manageability and let's face it, Sony (Computer) Entertainment is much less about the computers now anyway.
03-24-2011
02:46 AM
They call it a refund, but it is really store credit.
So I have no idea how they plan on doing this.
For those of you that have no way to access the PSN with your CFW PS3, You can always log in to your PSN account from the internet, on Sony's Web-based PSN Store and accept the new Terms of Service there.
03-24-2011
02:59 AM
just wondering if this will apply to europe as i havnt recived an email
03-24-2011
04:00 AM
So, does anyone know what happens to PSN content that is already purchased? Will it be re-download-able, or will it get a refund, or is it just, "Yeah, we know you just bought it last week, and you only need it again because the PS3 is unreliable, but f**k you anyway".
03-24-2011
04:11 AM
all you need to do is sign in, download and then not accept the upcoming TOS.
it sucks but even without the new TOS you would have to update to 3.60 to get your content again.
the ability to redownload the content unfortunately is part of their service.
in case if hardware failure they would be required to replace the content on them repairing/replacing it.
edit. a simple solution is to accept it on another console/thru pc/psp and just keep your hacked console offline. your content will continue to be available for redownload.
03-24-2011
04:41 AM
15. GENERAL LEGALSNEA, at its sole discretion, may modify the terms of this Agreement at any time, including imposing a fee for creating PSN accounts. By accepting this Agreement or by accessing Sony Online Services, you agree to be bound by all current terms of the Agreement. To access a printable, current copy of this Agreement, go to http://www.qriocity.com on your personal computer. If material changes to this Agreement are made, you will be notified by e-mail or other communication when you sign in to Sony Online Services. If necessary, you will be given additional choices regarding such change(s). Your continued use of Sony Online Services, including use of your associated Sub Account(s), will signify your acceptance of these changes. If you do not accept material changes to the Agreement, contact us to terminate this Agreement and your account(s).This Agreement shall inure to the benefit of the parties, including any successors in interest of SNEA. SNEA has the right to assign any and all of its rights and obligations hereunder to any affiliate(s) or to any company in the Sony family group of companies.If any provision of this Agreement is held illegal or otherwise unenforceable by a court of competent jurisdiction, that provision shall be severed and the remainder of the Agreement shall remain in full force and effect.Except as otherwise required by applicable law, this Agreement shall be construed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of the State of California applying to contracts fully executed and performed within the State of California. Except as otherwise required by applicable law, both parties submit to personal jurisdiction in California and further agree that any dispute arising from or relating to this Agreement shall be brought in a court within San Mateo County, California. In the event of litigation to enforce any part of this Agreement, all costs and fees, including attorney's fees, shall be paid by the non-prevailing party to the extent permitted by applicable law.
this mean they cud charge us ?? smh f u sony
03-24-2011
04:46 AM
by accepting you agree to fall under jurisdiction of California?
clever move by them *cough-*******s-cough*
03-24-2011
05:42 AM
SONY playing an April's Fools Joke???
03-24-2011
06:26 AM
Ok, it's time I believe that the devs release the NPDRM key and we **** Sony in the rear, then they can keep PSN.
03-24-2011
06:42 AM
how very dare they attempt to protect their network and legitimate users.
what right do Sony have to keep hackers/cheats/pirates offline. [/sarcasm]
instead, why don't we just stay offline and enjoy our hacked consoles?
03-24-2011
06:42 AM
This is only about SCEA, not about SCEE. They can't seriously think I will fly to the US of A if they want me to.
Every ToS/EULA I did ever accept was under protest because it was forced to me after buying the device, not before. It also conflicts with the way I think think about who has root-rights on a device I own. With OtherOS I had a kind of root-rights for the OS, with GameOS I don't.
03-24-2011
06:47 AM
SNEA applies only to America.
Europeans will not accept the American TOS.
if something similar does eventually come over here, then obviously they will find it more difficult to get away with their current methods.
03-24-2011
07:26 AM
03-24-2011
08:15 AM
A lot of non-JB'd users are going to get caught by this.
What if the user is away, or doesn't have internet access atm, or is in the hospital, or simply doesn't go online very often?
I can think of a number of irl friends who will get their accounts turfed for one of the above reasons.
03-24-2011
08:44 AM
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Thelostdeathknight - 03-23-2011 10:01 PM
those SNEA-ky snakes all part of their plan for world domination
Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/03/scea-t...#ixzz1HWZY72VI
snakes, snakes, i don't know no snakes.
03-24-2011
08:49 AM
15. GENERAL LEGALSNEA, at its sole discretion, may modify the terms of this Agreement at any time, including imposing a fee for creating PSN accounts
GG guys...PSN is going to be pay to play
03-24-2011
09:01 AM
all the measures that need to be put in place have to be payed for by someone. with the risk of losing money, people may think twice before abusing it in future.
03-24-2011
09:08 AM
03-24-2011
09:23 AM
Or Europeans with American accounts, my main PSN is US, i have no doubt that i will have to accept.
03-24-2011
09:50 AM
once again, new rules, new bullxit, no good stuff for users, and thats how sony keeps f***cking users and theirselfs
03-24-2011
10:48 AM
OK, here are 2 things. #1, IF Sony loses the GeoHotz thing. This seperates the Sony console directly from PSN totally. So if a cfw system accesses the PSN they can kick/ban..sue, etc with one single entity. I am actually impressed and glad they seperate the network entity. This might allow more focus onto the network side to where it gets MUCH better. Instead of a ..yeah its got network capability..but we dont know exactly when/how...etc if thats going to work well. I have a feeling that GeoHotz (hopefully) will get the PS3 declared as a console instead of a COMPUTER, due to the fact that they lost OtherOS, and it doesnt do computer stuff, and can be compared to wii and xbox360 now. This would change things to where they didnt have to offer free PSN whereas technically they might need to make a lil money to support the cloud storage as it aint cheap. xbox charges online fees. PSN+ charges fees. They should make games better for offline play, and allow support for online as a bonus. whether it be paid or not additionally. for those that hate sony, put OFW 3.41 back on your system and ebay it to someone else that might want it. I do not support piracy, but i do like to tinker with anything i buy to see what else can be done with it. Such as getting a multimedia hard drive kit, noticing it is linux based and seeing what all can be programmed to make it work better or for what i want it to do.finding out a desk i bought from Walmart doesnt have support for a heavy old big screen tv to rest on top, and adding brackets and support to it to handle the weight (modding)...etc
03-24-2011
11:04 AM
wonder how Canada will fall into this? We're part of North America, but obviously a (very) different country, with a different TOS and laws regarding piracy, jailbreaking, etc etc.
Nobody every mentions poor Canada
03-24-2011
11:26 AM
03-24-2011
11:45 AM
yeah ........................
03-24-2011
12:00 PM
Honestly, I think this is more support for things like XBSLink and XLink Kai. I know when I got my email, I was extremely inclined to go on and install the other networks to play on with my 3.55 cfw. To me, knowing what's going on with Geohot and what not, then seeing this sudden change... I get a worse taste in my mouth than the company already gave me for it's dealings.
I dunno, maybe I'll grab a second PS3 for PSN functionality, but join up on Xlink and let's play! Haha.
Edit: Totally posted this on the wrong thread this morning. That half a bottle of rum I had playing Borderlands split screen (drink per quest finished) is doing a number on my brain right now... HAHA.
03-24-2011
12:31 PM
Perhaps SCEA( Sorry Computer Entrapment Americas ) did not do it for them?
03-24-2011
01:01 PM
@japsander
I'm definitely not complaining about this specific instance; but in a lot of instances things are made EXCLUSIVELY available to the United States ONLY. Different offers, shipping items, among other things. And even while not made exclusive to the US only, they list other countries alike. Except Canada.
Sorry not trying to go off topic, just a little thing that irks me sometimes.
This is one time I'm definitely glad to be in Canada for. Piracy and copyright laws are just crazy down there. And even bandwidth caps/delegation.
Didn't mean to go off topic.
03-24-2011
03:40 PM
I live in Canada :thefinger: Sony can't sue me in Cali if I don't live in the states :aetsch:
03-24-2011
07:35 PM
Here's the new TOS. I just received it from $ony today via email.
http://www.qriocity.com/psnlegal/us/privacy.html
03-24-2011
10:17 PM
Seems a known phishing company is spamming emails due to this situation.
Double-check the address of any emails you get from Sony, it may not be from them.
03-24-2011
10:59 PM
this is an interesting factor.... Pay to play? hells no! good thing I live in Canada. they would have to try and bend the rules alittle to get me to fly California for a court case that is so dumb that it makes piiwii Herman smart! u never hear oh look out for the canadian Sony trying to screw u in the arse hole. that's why I love Canada cus we don't have DMCA.
03-26-2011
12:14 PM
I call it fake.. I've received a similar email but with a different server, so, to me, it's fake..
My email:
PlayStation(R)Network =================================== An important message to you from the PlayStation(R)Network team at Sony Computer Entertainment America LLC. On April 1, 2011, Sony Computer Entertainment America LLC ("SCEA") will transfer its online services operations, including your wallet and the funds in it, to Sony Network Entertainment America Inc. ("SNEA"). The first time you sign in to your Sony Online Services account on or after April 1, you will be asked to enter into a new Terms of Service and User Agreement with SNEA. If you do not wish to enter into a contract with SNEA, you may decline the terms of service and we will close your account(s) and return your funds. You can preview the new Terms of Service and User Agreement with SNEA at: http://playstation.innovyx.net/r?xncJlcWEcWlJqTEHWWHvWvcqTPq PlayStation(R)Network will continue to provide you with the highest standard of interactive entertainment. Your access to the best games, movies, TV shows, music and friends will remain intact. Thank you very much for being part of the PlayStation(R)Network online community! We look forward to continuing to bring you the best in innovative online entertainment! Your PlayStation(R)Network password and Sign-on ID (------------) is required to sign in to your Sony Online Services account. Please go to >> http://playstation.innovyx.net/r?xncJlcWEcWlJqvEHWWHvWvcqTnH to ensure your account information is accurate and updated. The PlayStation(R)Network Team =================================== LEGAL "PlayStation" and the "PS" Family logo are registered trademarks and "PS3" and "PlayStation Network" are trademarks of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (C) 2011 Sony Computer Entertainment America LLC. Sony Computer Entertainment America LLC 919 E. Hillsdale Blvd., Foster City, CA 9440403-28-2011
08:39 PM
Sony wants to go jail happy with everyone how bout lets talke about the $200 i spent on psn for games that i can't play that they wont refund me for what do you call that again? ohh yea i know THEFT
03-29-2011
02:37 AM
it's not theft at all.
you purchased the items and it became your responsibility to look after it. if you deleted them, it's not sonys problem.
they allow you to redownload the content at no extra charge as long as you are a PSN member. nowhere does it say they are required to store your payed for content indefinitely.
simple analogy.
in an all you can eat buffet you can go to the counter (PSN) and fill your plate (payed for content) as often as you like but as soon as you exit the resteraunt (PSN) you lose the right to use the all you can eat service.
03-29-2011
02:49 AM
Like he said, it's your problem! Not Sony's!
03-29-2011
02:11 PM
No you seem to miss what im saying i was told from sony via email that if you dont accept the new UA that any psn games you have on your system or not wont work and your psn account will be closed aka you can't play the games you paid for i did not erase them from my system they are still on there but sony is saying they will no longer allow me to play them if i dont accept there UA in 30 days. that is like saying if you dont reply to my message im ganna go in your house and take all your games thats stupid. Just because i dont agree on how sony thinks they rule the world and how they want to boss everyone around i can no longer play what i paid for to me that is like theft though i might be wrong thats just how i look at it. Thats like paying for a all you can eat buffet and they say you can only fill your plate one time.
03-29-2011
02:40 PM
why? because unless you sign into psn, they cant do a thing. they can/will delete you account but can not remove the license that already exists on your ps3.
03-29-2011
02:41 PM
Are your games playable offline?
If so and they are stopping that then Yes, they are not following the rules. If they are online games then, No they are not.
The new terms can only direct what we do with PSN not the PS3 in this case, and even though they have been paid for and used, if by not accepting the new terms they become unplayable then Sony are obligated to give you a percentile refund.
Hope that makes sense and clears it up?
03-29-2011
04:52 PM
They are playable offline i can play them now. I e-mailed sony via the ps3 website for more information about the UA and i was told that all psn games will not be playable even the ones im playing now that i have on my system like Dead nation i have siren, pain, all the RE games and a bunch more. not sure if i was told wrong by someone working for sony but the way they said was that any and all psn games wont be playable unless you accept the new UA even the ones you already have. Im out of town should get back late tommrow night and ill upload the email as a pdf here so you can take a look at it. maby im missing something but from what i gathered from the email you wont be able to play anything
03-29-2011
04:56 PM
if they attempted to do so, they would 100% lose any case worldwide.
03-29-2011
04:59 PM
I think the important bit is PSN games as that to me means online use only.