• PS3 Hacks, PS3 Legal (Sony) , 04.03.2011

    This is some nasty news pouring in, according to The Wired, Sony has gotten permission to subpoenaed Bluehost (Geohot.com hosting company) to reveal a list of IP addresses of every visitor (and more) that visited Geohots site (which is most of you reading I assume). Full article and what Sony is looking into below.

    To Quote:

    “A federal magistrate is granting Sony the right to acquire the internet IP addresses of anybody who has visited PlayStation 3 hacker George Hotz’s website from January of 2009 to the present.

    Thursday’s decision by Magistrate Joseph Spero to allow Sony to subpoena Hotz’s web provider (.pdf) raises a host of web-privacy concerns.

    Respected for his iPhone hacks and now the PlayStation 3 jailbreak, Hotz is accused of breaching the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and other laws after he published an encryption key and software tools on his website that allow Playstation owners to gain complete control of their consoles from the firmware on up.

    Sony also won subpoenas (.pdf) for data from YouTube and Google, as part of its lawsuit against the 21-year-old New Jersey hacker, as well as Twitter account data linked to Hotz, who goes by the handle GeoHot.

    Bluehost maintains Hotz’s geohot.com site. The approved subpoena requires the company to turn over “documents reproducing all server logs, IP address logs, account information, account access records and application or registration forms” tied to Hotz’s hosting. The Bluehost subpoena also demands “any other identifying information corresponding to persons or computers who have accessed or downloaded files hosted using your service and associated” with the www.geohot.com website, including but not limited to the “geohot.com/jailbreak.zip file.”

    Sony told Spero, a San Francisco magistrate, that it needed the information for at least two reasons.

    One is to prove the “defendant’s distribution” of the hack. The other involves a jurisdictional argument over whether Sony must sue Hotz in his home state of New Jersey rather than in San Francisco, which Sony would prefer. Sony said the server logs would demonstrate that many of those who downloaded Hotz’s hack reside in Northern California — thus making San Francisco a proper venue for the case.

    The DMCA prohibits the trafficking of so-called “circumvention devices” designed to crack copy-protection schemes. The law does not require Sony to prove that Hotz received payment for the hack, which was designed to allow PlayStation 3 owners the ability to run home-brewed software or alternative operating systems like Linux. It builds on a series of earlier jailbreaks that unlocked less protected levels of the PlayStation’s authentication process.

    Jailbreaking a console is also a prerequisite to running pirated copies of games, which Sony emphasizes in its lawsuit.

    “I think the these subpoenas, the information they seek, is inappropriate,” said Corynne McSherry, a staff attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation. In a letter to Magistrate Spero, she termed the subpoenas “overly broad.” (.pdf)

    The judge also signed off on a Google subpoena seeking the logs for Hotz’s Blogger.com blog, geohotps.3.blogspot.com.

    A YouTube subpoena, also approved, seeks information connected to the “geohot” account that displayed a video of the hack being used: “Jailbroken PS3 3.55 with Homebrew.” The subpoena demands data to identify who watched the video and “documents reproducing all records or usernames and IP addresses that have posted or published comments in response to the video.”

    A fourth subpoena is directed at Twitter, demanding the disclosure of all of Hotz’s tweets, and “documents sufficient to identify all names, addresses, and telephone numbers associated with the Twitter account.”

    Sony has threatened to sue anybody who posts the hacking tools or the encryption key. It is seeking unspecified damages from Hotz.

    A hearing on whether Hotz will be tried in San Francisco or New Jersey is set for next month in San Francisco federal court.”

    [VIA The Wired]

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  • 126 Comments

    1. gregory2590
      03-04-2011
      08:23 PM
      1

      You've gotta be ****tin me.

    2. yusuo
      03-04-2011
      08:30 PM
      2

      This is a giant breach of privacy, ive watched the video out of curiousty, does this mean sony can come knocking at my door demading money for loses from me, sorry sony but you've taken it a little to far this time.

    3. DaveOMac
      03-04-2011
      08:42 PM
      3

      lmao... bring it ******es!!!

      So sony is gonna get the ip's for everyone who went on sites, posted anything or downloaded the jb-file. Thats gonna be ALOT of numbers on many sheets of paper. I aint worried, Sony can't see that well. My mum always said I'd lose my eyesight if I played with myself too much so what luck have these people got when they are the biggest W*NKERS in history.

    4. mathuali
      03-04-2011
      08:54 PM
      4

      this is a joke this, there is no way the UK will let Sony have access to people's IP addresses who have visited his site or youtube page. this i against out privacy rights and also this will be against the data protection act in the uk.

      Good luck with you Sony, you might have won in the USA but you will not get anywhere in the UK.

      Also our ip adresses change every few days/weeks in the uk so they will hit a brick wall (depending on the ISP)

    5. ricker
      03-04-2011
      08:57 PM
      5

      Ok, sony is putting to much effort into all this.

      Hey Sony, how about sueing people that create and distribute online game hacks? Track peoples ip of sites that stand for nothing more than ruining your customers (that's right, the people that give you your money) experience on PSN?

      Your system got circumvented, move on and deal with it, nothing is perfect, deal with the future not the past.

    6. BobbyBlunt
      03-04-2011
      09:00 PM
      6

      Here's a solution, everyone that has a hacked ps3 mail Sony $5 because they won't get more than that from George Hotz.


      lol

    7. Dusky
      03-04-2011
      09:05 PM
      7

      Originally Posted by BobbyBlunt
      Here's a solution, everyone that has a hacked ps3 mail Sony $5 because they won't get more than that from George Hotz.


      lol
      I'll send more than 5 dollars

    8. solution19
      03-04-2011
      09:17 PM
      8

      Bring it Sony! If you have a problem with me, talk to me directly, not through this ip address bullsh*t. Go ahead and call me 707-356-0852.

    9. MizuhoChan
      03-04-2011
      09:22 PM
      9

      I don't think this even applies to me, but if it did and they came to my house, they'd be very welcome to check out my PS3. I've never had any hacks on it. =)

    10. T-R-M_Assassin
      03-04-2011
      09:25 PM
      10

      This is now getting ridiculous
      This is a major invasion of privacy
      The ip addresses are international, to get everyones the case would have to be taken through each countries court first

      I'm just hoping having a dynamic ip will help

      I might still buy your products but I've lost all respect for Sony now

    11. SniperSnake
      03-04-2011
      09:33 PM
      11

      Originally Posted by solution19
      Bring it Sony! If you have a problem with me, talk to me directly, not through this ip address bullsh*t. Go ahead and call me 707-356-0852.
      lol ur gonna want to edit out your phone number...sony isnt gonna call u

      everyone is jumping to conclusions. people need to calm the hell down.

      what is or can sony do with the IPs of everyone who visits youtube vids and and egohotz web site? do you really think sony is going to do anything to the people whos IPs they get? probably nothing. at the most they will add the IP addresses to a list and check them against the IPs of people going on PSN and watch them like a hawk for jailbreaking or CFW.

      i want to say sony is just collecting evidence for their court case aginst geo hot. they will probably just use the mass ammount of IPaddresses as a exaple of how many people were looking into ps3 hacking. whats stoping sony from demanding the ipaddresses from all the members of this website?

    12. Schnitter
      03-04-2011
      09:39 PM
      12

      lol @ sony

      I am sure they will lose more customers than gain off this.

      Never again, shall I buy something from them.

      3 days ago, I went to buy Nih-HC or some thing like that rechargable batteries for my wireless phones... I was offered SONY branded ones to which I replied "got another brand?" I was told they didnt, but I could buy the PANASONIC ones that came with their boxed telephones. I paid extra, but got the PANASONIC ones.

    13. NeoSabin
      03-04-2011
      09:40 PM
      13

      I can imagine they backup the list and reference it to anyone logging into psn right now... Though they can't do much, anyone who visited or read his site could have just read it because of news or any other reason. Though it is getting ridiculous how public our information is getting nowadays and how US Government and businesses are trying to push for it and control what we access nowadays.

    14. N3CHAY
      03-04-2011
      09:44 PM
      14

      Wow this sucks for my neighbor, cause im using his internet.

    15. ark3typ3
      03-04-2011
      09:58 PM
      15

      Bear in mind, everyone, that sony can't sue you for visiting a website holding that information or downloading that information because it has not been clearly defined as illicit (Example of clearly defined would be child porn). However, they can sue the **** outta geohot for distributing the information and they CAN ask for logs of visitors if it serves to prove it was distributed.

      Hopefully geohot can get out of this, but I really don't see this ending well for him.

    16. D_O_A
      03-04-2011
      10:00 PM
      16

      This is all getting ridiculous, I don't expect Sony to do anything at all with the information, but it is very worrying how easily they obtained it. Last i checked viewing youtube videos/blogs was not illegal. What happened to the so called protected freedom of speech you Americans supposedly have?

      Sony is stomping all over your rights. Something needs to be done.

    17. johnnyb15613
      03-04-2011
      10:02 PM
      17

      Originally Posted by N3CHAY
      Wow this sucks for my neighbor, cause im using his internet.
      LMAO @ ^

      They will use this info to prove that there is considerable interest iks hacking. Nothing more, nothing less!

    18. echto
      03-04-2011
      10:03 PM
      18

      BIG ****ING DEAL! WHO CARES. Oooooooo IP addresses. That's the weapon!
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************

      Originally Posted by ark3typ3
      Bear in mind, everyone, that sony can't sue you for visiting a website holding that information or downloading that information because it has not been clearly defined as illicit (Example of clearly defined would be child porn). However, they can sue the **** outta geohot for distributing the information and they CAN ask for logs of visitors if it serves to prove it was distributed.

      Hopefully geohot can get out of this, but I really don't see this ending well for him.
      Why don't you take your spew and go back to Sony and tell them that you failed at your attempt to populate the forums with your subtle statements aimed at spreading doubt. This is not a psychological war.

    19. racoonfrenzy
      03-04-2011
      10:18 PM
      19

      geohots website was on stumbleupon, and tinyurl.... how is this proving that this has jurisdiction anywhere but the server is hosted.

      Everyone I've talked to about this has said they aren't buying Sony products anymore.

      I was using the ps3 for linux when they removed it, afterall the ps3 is just a cell based ppc computer.

      Thanks geohot for giving us what we payed for... A gaming computer.

    20. tripellex
      03-04-2011
      10:21 PM
      20

      I wouldn't worry about it. A) They don't have the money or resources to sue everyone whose ever even mentioned jailbreaking, and B) these are just discovery documents. This isn't the judge ruling in their favor or siding with them. This is the judge seeking expanded evidence. The court case hasn't even started yet.

      Ultimately Sony will fail at this whole endeavor, once this actually goes to trial and Geo and the other defendants have a chance to testify, and clarify to the judge and jury the difference between a pirate and a hacker, and their intentions.

      These are all just scare tactics by Sony to drive us into hiding and cause the hackers-in-question to abandon any future endeavors. I think graf had the right idea...they pushed him, he retaliated after stating he would if it came down to it.

    21. daddycolson
      03-04-2011
      10:22 PM
      21

      Whatever they say... jajajja i dont care ****ing usa laws.. i live on south america... THEY CANT WITH US AJAJAJAJ

    22. lebofly
      03-04-2011
      10:23 PM
      22

      We just visited a website they have no evidence of anyone actually getting involved. :P Unless you downloaded a file lol

    23. MitchenX
      03-04-2011
      10:24 PM
      23

      I've been to ps3hax, and ps3-hacks, but I don't believe with all my research that I even once went to geohot.com.
      I may have to now, as their legal battle is now a topic in my term paper. ^_^

    24. NeoSabin
      03-04-2011
      10:24 PM
      24

      Also i'm pretty sure the whole of SCEA has gone to his website and they hired someone to send a bunch of California based hits to say the case should be held in California...

    25. surmiklo13
      03-04-2011
      10:28 PM
      25

      sony are stupid what they need to do is go after web sites that are salen pirated torrents games, sony is really hurting there companys name by doing this,

      if you sue everyone theres know one left to buy your stuff

    26. chemixal
      03-04-2011
      10:32 PM
      26

      It's even more frustrating knowing that we individually can't do **** about this.
      ****ing judge, what the hell.

    27. DigitalP1R4t3
      03-04-2011
      10:35 PM
      27

      I could give 2 ****s, sony cant do dick all up here in Canada regardless of whos ip they have. I can legally visit any site I damn well choose. I can legally back up any game I damn well chose as well.
      id like to see them even try to send me an email.

      eat it sony:thefinger:

      EVERYONE GO TO HIS SITE NOW! JUST TO GET A MASSIVE FRIGGIN INCREASE IN IP ADDYS, THE SONY LACKYS CAN SPEND MORE TIME AND MONEY SORTING THROUGH.

    28. chefcrank
      03-04-2011
      10:40 PM
      28

      Originally Posted by echto
      BIG ****ING DEAL! WHO CARES. Oooooooo IP addresses. That's the weapon!
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************


      Why don't you take your spew and go back to Sony and tell them that you failed at your attempt to populate the forums with your subtle statements aimed at spreading doubt. This is not a psychological war.
      I'm in no way being rude but this is something to worry about picture this: Sony has your ip in essence all contact information to use against you later should they find the same ip or an ip belonging to you downloading any pirated software torrents ect....you can't just format your hard drives or format your ps3 any software company can find files on drives you've erased and presto you are now facing a copyright lawsuit which is against the law. Mark my words they will make examples out of more than just geohot.

    29. PirateKing
      03-04-2011
      10:47 PM
      29

      Hey Sony how about S**K My B**LS ?

    30. Trollin
      03-04-2011
      10:53 PM
      30

      Originally Posted by surmiklo13
      sony are stupid what they need to do is go after web sites that are salen pirated torrents games, sony is really hurting there companys name by doing this,

      if you sue everyone theres know one left to buy your stuff
      Pretty much this ^

      Try to earn my money when the playstation 4 comes out sony.

    31. henry caine
      03-04-2011
      10:53 PM
      31

      having access the geohot website does not prove u hack ur ps3 and it is certainly not a crime but for the record i used my school's ip to access his web so i'm safe :aetsch:
      :thefinger: sony

    32. JJCool09
      03-04-2011
      11:13 PM
      32

      This has nothing to do with Sony trying to ban IP's. This is going to be used as evidence against Geohot to prove interest and distribution of hacking to the PS3 which they will try to correlate into piracy figures. Everyone saying "bring it Sony" and blah blah needs to just chill out. We all know how much of a bad*** everyone is on the internet so its ok.

      Actually this may be a pretty smart move on Sony, granted a little skewed on the way the figures can be derived, but could show that there really is a bigger audience to the hacking the PS3 the Geohot makes it seem. As much as I think Sony is going after the wrong people here if their motives claims to be the piracy aspect, Geo doesn't make it any easier the way he runs his mouth all ****y about it. Guess we will see how this turns out.

    33. zNightHawkz
      03-04-2011
      11:13 PM
      33

      the funny thing here is
      i didn't even have a ps3 console at all when i looked at his video and site

      only the last 2 months ii had a ps3 so sony can stick it where it don't shine

      i mean wtf are they gonna sue me for just looking ive looked at 360 sites and wii ds and psp doesn't mean i hack them

    34. scristopher
      03-04-2011
      11:17 PM
      34

      Sent to sony via
      http://us.playstation.com/support/ask/
      and any other method i could find to contact them

      Dear Sony,

      I am contacting you because you are trying to obtain IP addresses which visited geohots blot etc and web addresses of anyone who has posted such said playstaion software
      I would like to report myself as an offending individual. I have posted links for others to use not sony approved software for the ps3, (but not for using the software for copyright infringement) My ip addresses are **.***.***.*** + **.***.***.*** + **.***.***.*** + **.***.***.*** + **.***.***.*** + **.***.***.*** + **.***.***.*** + **.***.***.*** I would like to thank you for all the "hard work" you have put into all the "security" on the ps3, and locking it down tighter than a nuns ass. If you are going to sue geohot your going to have to sue all of us.
      please feel free to sodomise yourselves with a baton.

      sincerely yours,

      ************

    35. 14spauldinga
      03-04-2011
      11:31 PM
      35

      They might as well not even come to my house because they aren't getting **** from me or if they do its going to be the worlds greatest ass beating

    36. dan1982
      03-04-2011
      11:42 PM
      36

      Sony can get my ip, but i believe in my amendments and i stay true to them, bring it on lets play. :thefinger: sounds like some good law suits to go there way for invasion of privacy on public web sites not deemed bad by the US government. they have not censored the sites and shut them down, there for its fair game and anyone can look at them with no worry

    37. CryptoCore
      03-04-2011
      11:44 PM
      37

      Lol thats freaking halarious!!! Good luck $ony. All i know that if they tried to sue me i would counter sue and i honestly dont have a problem with that. Also they need to have jurisdiction to sue me cus i dont live in the US or EU for that matter. Major privacy concerns there and i am sure the judge is beeing paid off to do $onys dirty work. What? Did she her license to be a judge in a cracker jack box? Also a note to all!! Make sure u get ur IPs changed up and get behind proxies....

    38. Sillyboy18
      03-04-2011
      11:48 PM
      38

      Sony might be trying to do what direct tv did, when everyone was hacking the **** out of direct tv. Direct tv went after the company's that sold card writers. Then went after all the people how bought one. Does any one know if this is the same law firm.

    39. KillerBug
      03-04-2011
      11:55 PM
      39

      Considering that sony asked for IPs used by people who visited before any form of jailbreaking existed, and that the judge actually went along with it, I would say the case is decided. Maybe George should move to the Netherlands where sony is kept on a nice tight leash.

    40. Sillyboy18
      03-04-2011
      11:57 PM
      40

      Oh yeah Sony it ****in didn't work for direct tv, it almost cost getting bought out by Dish network. Get smart like Direct tv and make unhackable smart card (so make an unhackable console). How the competition is doing. Xbox 360 hacked 3 months after release, is Mircosoft going after anyone? NO is Mircosoft been the number one console last 6 months? Yes. Come in Second place is the WII hacked 4 months after release is Nintendo suing the hackers? NO. Is Nintendo suing companys selling Piracy only devices. Yes. Is xbox and Nintendo Kicking the **** out of you on the game market? Yes.

      Good luck Sony.. FYI I was at costco and was going to buy a TV, I had a choice between you and Samsung. What do you think I bought.

    41. CryptoCore
      03-04-2011
      11:58 PM
      41

      Originally Posted by scristopher
      Sent to sony via
      http://us.playstation.com/support/ask/
      and any other method i could find to contact them

      Dear Sony,

      I would like to thank you for all the "hard work" you have put into all the "security" on the ps3, and locking it down tighter than a nuns ass. If you are going to sue geohot your going to have to sue all of us.
      please feel free to sodomise yourselves with a baton.

      sincerely yours,

      ************
      Lmfao that is sooo funny but true. Man u should write for stand up comedy or something. Almost peed myself laughing.

    42. specie8470
      03-04-2011
      11:59 PM
      42

      Sony prefers San Fransico. I prefer Sony to F off.

    43. bolivariano
      03-05-2011
      12:00 AM
      43

      :aetsch: If all that about subpoena thing is true; Catch Me if you can, 'cause I'm playing your brand new game Dragon Age 2 that's supposed run only on 3.56 firmware in my 3.55 CFW hacked PS3 console with my one and only static IP

    44. CryptoCore
      03-05-2011
      12:15 AM
      44

      I say let $ony sue all of us. By the time they are done they will have no money to even buy a big mac mcdonalds lol. Then we should all put a bunch of donations in a secured location and sue the crap out of $ony for evading privacy and personal infringement for profite gain.

      Quick put the master root key for the PS3 on this forum and paste it web wide for everyone that has not seen it. LOL

    45. OoZic
      03-05-2011
      01:03 AM
      45

      Nice way for advertising the use of proxy's. I think I am going to buy shares from a big proxy company right now because if this is going to happen no one is safe in any way in the future. Every sucking company will go after IP addresses if they think their rights are harmed. Just go like a little cry baby to an american judge and everybody's fundamental rights are worth nothing. Freedom, yeah right!! (Rage Against The Machine).

      Next option for sony to remove from FW: the proxy option

      Now go to a dutch judge and tell him the following: Dear judge, we have sold this person, who hides behind the name OoZic, a PS3 with Linux on it. we tried to remove this illegally and now he is trying to put it back. Please sue him for using Linux on the PS3 Linux computer he bought. And please make it clear to him we do own his PS3 (and the whole world)?

      Edit: I have to change my location info on this site. My location is not only "just ask Sony" but now also "just ask youTube", "just ask Google", "just ask Geohot's host" and "just ask any american judge".

    46. Sphaa80
      03-05-2011
      01:20 AM
      46

      Kids, relax
      Sony can't sue you for visiting a site, and I'm pretty sure they can't sue you for downloading something from geohots site.
      My guess is that this is to create fear, nothing else. And it worked

    47. Evan5935
      03-05-2011
      01:25 AM
      47

      Sony **** u hacked my ps3 and I'm not afraid of **** all I backed up games but they were all mine and I I'd it because it is cool and less noisy and if u ban me (psn name evan5935) I'll never buy one of your products again and I'll switch to xbox and I'd love to go to court about this just to see how I ( a 15 year old ) kicks ur ass in court because u think the consumers of ur product are stupid and can't stand up for themselves and jailbreaking brought u more money in because I had 5 people I know to playstation 3 were xbox fags and the other two were non gamers and they switched just because u could run homebrew P.s if you have a problem or want to sue me call me at 705-356-6950

    48. ReaL_AlrOy
      03-05-2011
      01:35 AM
      48

      Mexico too?

      I dont think so :thefinger:

    49. Au{R}oN
      03-05-2011
      02:09 AM
      49

      LOL, Owned


      Originally Posted by Evan5935
      I'll never buy one of your products again and I'll switch to xbox
      1 less cheater, nice ;D

    50. customsatan
      03-05-2011
      02:10 AM
      50

      The CEO of Sony need to get laid honestly. I mod through out with no worries. If in Louisiana come see me> I will give everyone a free mod xbox,ps3 or wii. come one come all.

    51. depblkman
      03-05-2011
      02:13 AM
      51

      WOW!!! miss one day on the scene and you miss a life time of stuff. So Sony's checking out ip addresses. big deal!!! Sony don't have enough money to sue all of us so don't worry about it and we need to look at the legals of it should sony decide to be stupid and start swinging the sue hammer.

    52. gpax
      03-05-2011
      02:15 AM
      52

      Ok so I tried geohots hack when it came out then went straight back to ofw but all these little things that Sony are doing are really adding up to p*as me off , so I think this weekend il be going back to cfw and installing multiman also I had planned on getting a psp2 I'm just not gonna bother now .
      I know I'm gonna be the one misses out playing one but I not going to buy another Sony item.

    53. tech3475
      03-05-2011
      02:19 AM
      53

      Ok, WTF?!?!

      He'll not even viacom got the ip addresses iirc.

      Why do Sony need them?

    54. XEO
      03-05-2011
      02:21 AM
      54

      SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAMMMM!!!! :thefinger:

    55. sayargh
      03-05-2011
      03:03 AM
      55

      Hey Sony, good luck proving anyone who visited the site hacked their PS3 because of it.

    56. kian2002
      03-05-2011
      03:14 AM
      56

      Well if Sony try to do anything about this and we all fight it will be the end for Them.
      Anything on the net can be downloaded for research purposes.
      And I don�t think Sony can afford 1.000.000 individual class action cases of invasion of privacy
      Coupled with the illegal removal of other os by force, failing to protect my financial information, the refusal to replace parts that became faulty after firmware updates not to mention the cases of patent infringement and the case against geohot they will be broke in a year

    57. Renomune
      03-05-2011
      03:15 AM
      57

      As a Microsoft MCSE, MSDBA, MCT, and other sh^t that covers my walls. I just have to laugh at you, for one i am on a Hacked Sb5100, and I have stacks of Nics and other sh^t. CYA guys. :aetsch: but old MS is funding GeoHot, he may be a SpitF^ck but he has a pair.

      Even if you know on my door and serve my papers personally, which will not happen. "Diplomatic Immunity!" And please follow me back to my home land.

      You guys at SCEA have violated more pattens than the US govmint has stolen.

      Your on a sinking ship, I support GeoHot "Monetarily" also. And most people my age 30+ have absolutely NOTHING, I filled a suit When OtherOS was removed, and after talking to your lackeys about how the programs we wrote at MIT were no longer feasible I sold "All 8 of my PS3's." I Still have all those Conversation Recorded and Noted by my company's Business Relation Department.

      I am like the kid, that sees a new game. I can't afford it, or justify the purchase (so you get the drift.). But I had, a small cloud running even at home.

      You gave US a super computer in 06 that just now is hitting store shelves in civilian market. I have been Wronged, :thefinger: I fully support the ones that gave me Other OS back.

    58. ghoozt
      03-05-2011
      03:18 AM
      58

      Someone shuld do some stickers like the one you could buy that sad
      'FREE Kevin Mitnick' That would be an buisnis and some of the money should go to Geohot�s court thingy.

      I would buy them and the word would be sent out to.

      Sorry my BAD english

    59. nexile
      03-05-2011
      03:42 AM
      59

      i love the playstation but its only a video game system. sony is taking this way to far (which most of u agree) and i have to say... next system i buy will have to be from microsoft, never thought i would say that...

    60. ogbrandon
      03-05-2011
      03:48 AM
      60

      Lmao!! Them niggas better be kidding! Wtf are they thinking

    61. fahadj2003
      03-05-2011
      03:58 AM
      61

      ok thats crossing the line
      why would sony go through so much trouble to jus cover up a gaming console?
      is there a bigger picture to this?

    62. alipapa
      03-05-2011
      04:03 AM
      62

      Come on, get real, all the way since Jan 2009 you must be kidding. Luck must be on $ony's side to be able to get such a generous and sweeping order.

      Everyone knows that the PS3 only become hacked in late Dec 2010. Asking for information all the way back to the Jan 2009 is a blatant abuse of the legal system and a absolute waste of resources.

      $ony will find that there are millions of people visiting Geohot's site. But the main purpose is to for blackrain and limerain.

    63. HS0x
      03-05-2011
      04:50 AM
      63

      You gottabe kidding me they get all our ip adresses then :thefinger:
      but sony is taking all this way to serious everybody has the right to do with his console what he wants to update or not update or to install backup managers
      but sony cant just see the people being free with their consoles they dont like it what they like is getting money for PS Move only games that nobody would play if it would not be with move but whatever :thefinger::thefinger::thefinger::thefinger::thefinger::thefinger::thefinger::thefinger::thefinger:

    64. pwrshft99
      03-05-2011
      05:10 AM
      64

      Everbody laughing and saying screw you Sony...

      Obvioiusly your missing the big picture, so far Sony has gotten everything they want.

      There is no practical way for them to sue everybody but be sure.. something bad will come of this. If history is a lesson Sony will get the last laugh.

    65. justin666
      03-05-2011
      05:24 AM
      65

      An ip address does not point to a person so they have no idea of who downloaded what. who are they going to sue your open wifi network which by the way theres no law to say you have to protect your network (UK anyway)

    66. Dark_Timelord
      03-05-2011
      05:27 AM
      66

      say you was just havin a look to see what is all about and you have not even done anything. Thats a P*** take what are sony upto??????? I think ther dummy has come out and its not goinig there way! :thefinger: :thefinger:

    67. fahadsul3man
      03-05-2011
      05:34 AM
      67

      ......come on sony ***** suck my dick yeah nice and slow ooo dont bite me dick too hard....aaah... slow on the balls aaaahhhhhh (sprays his cum all over sony's face )

    68. japsander
      03-05-2011
      05:40 AM
      68

      sony cannot do a thing about regular people, how many sony employees looked at the site, video, downloaded the files?

      if we, the normal users were to be targetted, then those employees would also legally need to be targetted as we have done exactly the same, which by the way is nothing illegal in the slightest.
      the main point i would like to make is the video and downloaded tools contained no sony code whatsoever and are totally legal. what you do with them on the other hand may not be!
      the keys plastered on his site may be a gray area but again, not illegal to look at.

      this is merely a number crunching exercise by sony to see how many downloaded etc and maybe see which of those IPs donated to him. (specifically california residents)

      this cannot be used to track down individuals as this is not the case in hand and using this information in such a way would be a severe breach of privacy laws. you cant obtain info for one case and then use it to start another.

    69. bigo93
      03-05-2011
      06:02 AM
      69

      Those of you who think you are not in the USA so your IP wont be handed over should think again. The web host is in the USA they will simply hand over all the IP addresses to Sony than waste their time sorting through the thousands if not millions of hits.

      This must not only be a violation of privacy laws in the USA but is definitely a violation of many other countries' privacy laws! The judge has not considered that the web site can be visited by people from other countries.

      This violation of our rights show be posted in other forums everywhere, let everyone know how their privacy can be so easily violated by a large corporation when the words "copyright infringement" is used as an excuse.

      Also note, what is stopping Sony from spamming hits from California to increase the count from that area and thereby get what they want there.

    70. alvindarkness
      03-05-2011
      06:10 AM
      70

      People should be submitting the wired.com link to the original article to big tech news sites. Places like engadget should have this on their front page - its a big event for web privacy in general.

    71. yenkna
      03-05-2011
      06:11 AM
      71

      Lets see if those SOBs try to get my IP address. My network is encrypted and if I find anyone that enters my network w/o permission will be serverly punished. Also, my IP address is hidden so Sony can just screw themselves. LMAO :thefinger:

    72. KFallon
      03-05-2011
      06:28 AM
      72

      People should do some research before flashing the finger. The MPAA/RIAA has been doing the same thing for years and though they've stopped their main lawsuit campaigns, they've been able to set precedents. Read the ff.
      #1
      #2

      And if some of you think there isn't a working model out there to get a lot of people, if not everyone, here's something interesting

      If you read all 3 articles then you'll know that:
      1. Sony has a notification method to follow
      2. IP addresses are tagged with activity and content data, so even if your dynamically assigned one each session or given one that has violated some laws, all that matters is what the IP was doing at the specified time and who was using it then. Again, to reiterate a point, content associated with the IP use can be seen if no methods to mask the fact are employed
      3. Sony will not go bankrupt suing everybody (esp. when all they really care about atm anyway are the productive markets like the U.S.) since even 3rd party groups are more than willing to pursue people for the profit settling a case gives. Someone earlier pointed out forums like this being targeted and it's a sound observation since the populations in these are relatively small, concentrated & not entirely anonymous.

      For those living in countries which the laws referenced by Sony have sway, I would go with the suggestion made earlier and setup proxy relays. The performance hit is worth the peace of mind albeit it might be a little late for some. And yeah, I do agree with an early post stating that people should RTFA and chill out since the initial 2 reasons for the subpoenas were to prove distribution and allow the trial to be held in SF, CA should there be evidence that a sufficient # of people who downloaded the hack (I'd imagine the other cfw versions as well) reside there.

      [Edit]
      Oh and for those who mentioned they were from UK, Canada, Mexico etc. haven't you heard of ACTA?

    73. japsander
      03-05-2011
      06:35 AM
      73

      Originally Posted by yenkna
      Lets see if those SOBs try to get my IP address. My network is encrypted and if I find anyone that enters my network w/o permission will be serverly punished. Also, my IP address is hidden so Sony can just screw themselves. LMAO :thefinger:

      i dont think you understand. this isnt your internal network information, its your external IP address
      "IF" sony went after users, they could just pick an IP from the thousands that they have xD, then trace it back to the origin, lets say comcast in new jersey for example, get in touch with them and see who had that IP at a specified time

      the only real way to be safe is to be using proxy/VPN with no connection logs then even if they wanted to give out your information, they couldnt.

    74. loukas77
      03-05-2011
      06:41 AM
      74

      Sony, i'm waiting for you in my house With a shotgun. Cheers.

    75. vaalir
      03-05-2011
      06:55 AM
      75

      What about those people who have watched this video trough a news site? and visited that link provided there? here in norway, it was big new on itavisen.no

      with a embedded video and link to geohot.com
      ALOT of people read that newssite, will all those be under investigation also?

    76. Chris9191
      03-05-2011
      07:01 AM
      76

      yea so... what they guna do.

      must of been 1000K plus easy.

      plus you cannot get in trouble for JUST visiting a site

    77. hax3ps
      03-05-2011
      07:06 AM
      77

      We can notice that since the beginning of this case, the US judges are on Sony's side. I think that Microsoft would also be pleased to see GeoHotz locked up as they're also losing a lot of money from piracy.

      I'm 100% sure that Sony will win the case.

    78. reno5gtt
      03-05-2011
      07:09 AM
      78

      I think they are just trying to use scare tactics, just because you visit a site or watch a youtube video containing perfectly legal information it doesn't make you a criminal.

      What reason did they give for requiring this information? Can't see it being of any use to them whatsoever unless they plan on banning everyone from PSN, not really a smart move for them.

    79. hrock420
      03-05-2011
      07:11 AM
      79

      just went and visited over and over again. good Luck sony

    80. CryptoCore
      03-05-2011
      07:12 AM
      80

      NOTE FOR ALL:

      1. Don't be worried about ur privacy being used and abused because honestly it already happened.
      2. Change ur IPs and get into the PROXIES to protect urself of any further abuse that $ony will try to do.
      3. Make sure u dont buy $ony products cus basically ur helping $ony win this one financially.
      4. Inform ur friends, facebook, twitter, online forums or anywhere else u can get ur hands on to announce what $ony is trying to do and what harm that made us victims. (Also post PS3 root keys and HV bible on any site that u can think of)
      5. GIVE $ONY HELL BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

      Good luck $ony. This is a battle that u already lost

    81. advocatusdiaboli
      03-05-2011
      07:21 AM
      81

      Originally Posted by CryptoCore
      3. Make sure u dont buy $ony products cus basically ur helping $ony win this one financially.
      Only the publicity alone that Sony gets from suing geohot makes up for any boicot 10 folds, if not 100.

    82. janhei77
      03-05-2011
      07:32 AM
      82

      lol gl with my ip i got my HDD encrypted with 256bit AES :D

    83. CryptoCore
      03-05-2011
      07:34 AM
      83

      Originally Posted by advocatusdiaboli
      Only the publicity alone that Sony gets from suing geohot makes up for any boicot 10 folds, if not 100.
      I beg to differ. Only cus its annoying "legitimate" PS3 owners to the point of Jailbreaking a PS3 to spit $ony so in a way it causes more frustration for $ony than anything. The code is already out there as I am sure 20% of the population has the jailbreak resources and thats not taking in affect that there is still about 50+ websites that cant be touched that is hosting the root keys and CFW 3.55 FW.

    84. Sexbox
      03-05-2011
      07:39 AM
      84

      There is no more freedom, Sony and Corporate America ftl.

      Pirates and hackers who condone piracy, go underground.

    85. Chris9191
      03-05-2011
      08:03 AM
      85

      haha look at all these people hating sony..

      if it wernt for sony then you would not even have a PS3.

    86. VoleSJ
      03-05-2011
      08:24 AM
      86

      And I can tell you. Its very very unlikely that bluehost kept a record that far back.

      They are a shard hosting. Every server has about 100 people on it.

      Sooo I'm not exactly worried.

    87. xche78x
      03-05-2011
      08:49 AM
      87

      great now sony has an IP list of all possible iphone jailbreakers, some curious people, ps3 jailbreakers and what not. its amazing what money and power can do. i wonder where does privacy stands anymore.

    88. junior2k9
      03-05-2011
      08:56 AM
      88

      I visited the site as well I'm in Delaware which is where sony is licensed and people license their business in delaware because of how familiar we are with corporate law and the millions in tax breaks we have. They are more then welcome to sue me. I'll counter sue them right here If I lose fine I'll file bankrupt Planned on doing that after my car was repo'd anyways , that'll just give me more initiative Thanks sony! How about this half ass judge they got. it wouldnt surprise me if she was on their payroll. Its obvious she has no idea what the hell is going on or how to deal with it. You would think this was a criminal case not civil lol Maybe shes over there in cali smoking that medical ish ..."oh the stress is killing me"

    89. Sexbox
      03-05-2011
      09:20 AM
      89

      I downloaded Geohot's CFW, so what happens now?

      Sony going to raid my home and take my PC?

      I do not have a PS3 anymore...

    90. CYB3R
      03-05-2011
      09:48 AM
      90

      This is getting ridiculous, i have a complete other IP by now,
      what does SONY try to achieve by gathering the IPs?
      Finding out the PSN-Users through their IPs and ban them?
      Seriously what the ****.
      SONY you lost my trust as a customer.

    91. marty370
      03-05-2011
      09:53 AM
      91

      Ha Ha

      The noose is tightening on geohot.

    92. Veloxin
      03-05-2011
      10:02 AM
      92

      Well.. What does $ony wants to do.. I mean. They can nock on my door and I'll let them in for a cup of coffee and show them my kmeaw-3.55 PS3. They don't got the rights to take it with them. So a cup of coffee would be great sony!

    93. null_Dereferenced
      03-05-2011
      10:15 AM
      93

      Even if they have the ip addesses from the websites they would still have to get subpoenas in order for the ISPs to turn over any information linked to those IP addresses. Then $ony could have my home address so that they can come to my house and blow me because that's all they could do. Scare tactics, that's all.

    94. fahadsul3man
      03-05-2011
      10:20 AM
      94

      so that means sony is now trying to scare away the ppl who have cfw on their ps3? wtf

    95. clipper01745
      03-05-2011
      10:23 AM
      95

      i would not worry Sony can't do anything with IP address's this is just a scare tactic.

      Lots of others company's have tryed to take people to court over copy right issues using IP address before and due to the fact that IP Address are not a sure way of identifying the person who made the copy right breach due to fact that free open wifi hot spots exist. Almost all case's are thrown out of court unless they are brought by the state or crown in a criminal matter.

      All this which makes IP's virtually useless in the courts unless its a criminal matter in which case the police will seize the computers for inspection, in this case the IP is only used to track down the individual in question. Even then public free wifi makes this task hard thanks to smart phones and the like using other peoples IP is getting very easy to do.

      Lol would like them to try and track IP's from university's/office blocks to the student/worker who used his own device to connect to the net, You have got to love the age of tech we live in where so many ways of simply connecting to the net anonymously exist lol

    96. pwrshft99
      03-05-2011
      10:28 AM
      96

      Quit thinking this is about Sony looking to sue more people......


      My guess is once they win the ban hammer comes out strong and those of you who think your safe will have a rude awakening. I think Sony is going to ask to be able to remotely disable consoles on CFW and I'm betting the judge agrees. The IPs they now posse will give them a good place to start looking.

      If you think its excessive, look how hard they fight music priacy and you talking a $15 disc not a $65 blu ray.

    97. whitedove
      03-05-2011
      10:42 AM
      97

      well the judge should be taken to court for braking International law they got no right to look at any other information from other counties they have to get court orders from the country they seek the information from so they are just using this to bypass law which wont go down well with eu and other countries fony are pushing their luck, i have never moded any of my consoles but i can not and will not support a company with such bad morals and lack of respect for there customers
      they should be working with some of these devs to make the ps3 better as alot of what they are doing is better than what sony is doing and working Together to stop people from cheating online, Imagine how much better the ps3 would be if they joined forces and brought back other os and let you have homebrew on the ps3, made a better dash they could compete with xbox360 dash cause ms is pissing all over sony right now on a lot of what they are doing
      i want to see the ps3 on top where it belongs. BUT AS I SAID I CAN NOT AND WILL NOT SUPPORT A COMPANY WITH SO BAD RESPECT FOR CUSTERMER'S

    98. Mystt
      03-05-2011
      10:57 AM
      98

      Let Sony come to me if they want, i really couldn't care less anymore; at the end of the day they ain't gonna get a dime from me as I have no $ to give and they have no evidence I did anything other than research.

      Either or based on what I can understand Sony saying is, they are only going to investigate people who have downloaded the files, so people who just watched a vid and that's it, is safe from Sony's wrath.

    99. yigga
      03-05-2011
      11:41 AM
      99

      proxytime!

    100. HDC89
      03-05-2011
      12:06 PM
      100

      Well this would all be done if we just tell Sony to let us JB if we won't make back up homebrew. This will once and for all show us if they just want controll or they don't like pirated games. Well, Here's My Idea, I did this to Microsoft. Get your PS3, JB it, :thefinger::thefinger:

    101. Bi0Hazard
      03-05-2011
      12:17 PM
      101

      we should sue youtube, twitter and the rest for invading our privacy and giving out our ip ) lmao.

    102. RiPPERD
      03-05-2011
      12:24 PM
      102

      lol more scare tactics from PONY!

      what exactly they gonna do with an IP address... block it... thats it... then we change IP simples! unless your on static IP...

      if sony use the ip address to come knocking then they are in breach of some MAJOR data protection and if they come here ill see them in court!

      some people may have just visited geohot website for info and updates.... dont mean they actually hacked the ps3....

      i dont see why sony still doing this when they are in court for breaking the law with the consumer purchase act of blah blah...

    103. soplox2
      03-05-2011
      12:58 PM
      103

      SONY cant come her to Puerto Rico can they?
      if so they will arrest me?
      I have mi PC and PS3 full of hacks stuff

    104. Nova
      03-05-2011
      01:03 PM
      104

      After many arguments, I was under the impression, Sony was happy for your own code to be on on a PS3 and run (anything else would be illegal), but by running your own code you will inevitably loose access to PSN, understandable.

      The only issue that sony can take a stance on is copyright, Sony already have my name and address, and no doubt linked my ip with that used on this forum, I ran my own code, I didnt play hookie games, but went back to OFW once i satisified myself I could code for console.

      Really this data cant be used for anything.

    105. loohjury
      03-05-2011
      01:06 PM
      105

      SONY, DUE TO THE DANISH COPYRIGHT LAW I CAN LEGALLY BACKUP MY PS3 GAMES, and U can do nothing about it, baaaahhhh

    106. Nova
      03-05-2011
      01:13 PM
      106

      Originally Posted by Nova
      After many arguments, I was under the impression, Sony was happy for your own code to be on on a PS3 and run (anything else would be illegal)
      Sorry to quote my own post, but to backup my post, search MIT using ps3, US airforce, Royal Navy, all using linked PS3's as super computers, I am sure there code is not signed by Sony... lol

    107. budzio
      03-05-2011
      01:23 PM
      107

      Originally Posted by loohjury
      SONY, DUE TO THE DANISH COPYRIGHT LAW I CAN LEGALLY BACKUP MY PS3 GAMES, and U can do nothing about it, baaaahhhh
      Same in Poland AFAIK

    108. FML
      03-05-2011
      01:29 PM
      108

    109. loohjury
      03-05-2011
      01:36 PM
      109

      Originally Posted by budzio
      Same in Poland AFAIK
      exactly, as long as we got the ORIGINAL we can LEGALLY backup all our games. So Sony you are playin at the smallest :musicus: in the world... Ive bin a "Playboy" since ps1, but this is my last sony prod ive bought.... sry for the misspells and the grammer

    110. Wolfie708
      03-05-2011
      01:45 PM
      110

      Originally Posted by loohjury
      SONY, DUE TO THE DANISH COPYRIGHT LAW I CAN LEGALLY BACKUP MY PS3 GAMES, and U can do nothing about it, baaaahhhh
      Ditto for UK
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Also can I just say that Sony cannot legally use or record any individual details that result from the IP records of who has visited the sites etc, but it honestly does look like the USA courts are trying their very hardest to re-write the planets legal system one bit at a time so who knows in the future, we may all be bending down to worship SCEA and the "State Police"? PMSL

    111. prhotosho
      03-05-2011
      02:00 PM
      111

      Originally Posted by CryptoCore
      NOTE FOR ALL:

      1. Don't be worried about ur privacy being used and abused because honestly it already happened.
      2. Change ur IPs and get into the PROXIES to protect urself of any further abuse that $ony will try to do.
      3. Make sure u dont buy $ony products cus basically ur helping $ony win this one financially.
      4. Inform ur friends, facebook, twitter, online forums or anywhere else u can get ur hands on to announce what $ony is trying to do and what harm that made us victims. (Also post PS3 root keys and HV bible on any site that u can think of)
      5. GIVE $ONY HELL BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

      Good luck $ony. This is a battle that u already lost
      Totally agree with you.
      Should start a facebook revolt against fuc...... Sony

    112. lisapower
      03-05-2011
      04:27 PM
      112

      YouTube - Michael Jackson Exposes Sony

    113. hukfed
      03-05-2011
      04:42 PM
      113

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Ditto for UK
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Also can I just say that Sony cannot legally use or record any individual details that result from the IP records of who has visited the sites etc, but it honestly does look like the USA courts are trying their very hardest to re-write the planets legal system one bit at a time so who knows in the future, we may all be bending down to worship SCEA and the "State Police"? PMSL
      I totally agree....

      Surely this judgment made by US Courts can only effect people in the US, people in the UK using UK ISP's for example are not going to be subject to a court order made outside EU...All countries have there own DATA PROTECTION LAWS, Sony will have to get the same order for all ISP's in each country..

      If my UK ISP gives any of my DATA to SCEA based on a US Court order without any Solid PROOF that I am using a CFW on my PS3, and then accessing PSN with it over my internet connection, I will change ISP, and I will be looking into my ISP's breach of the UK DATA PROTECTION LAWS....

      Sony, In the UK we are innocent until we are PROVEN guilty....We are not guilty just because you say we are..!!

      Didn't Hitler want to rule the world aswell.. !! Heil SCEA.. !!

    114. dan1982
      03-05-2011
      05:38 PM
      114

      well for one, comcast has a policy where they dont give out ip address information except in severe criminal cases, there response in the past has always been we dont have the resources to go and do all that work there for we will not give out any information, or could end up like the law suit that qwest received from a lil old lady in utah i believe for someone downloading a movie on her open network. an ip adress proves nothing its the isp companies that would have to give out the information and could get into some legal trouble.

    115. vizard00
      03-05-2011
      07:02 PM
      115

      server ips mean nothing without ISP's LOGS , so sony will get ISP's logs too , woow very impressive company and breach in people data's .

      Its what we CALL "the NEW ORDER" and total control . We are done guys
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      PS3 hack is a sony creation , as hotz said on a video "they used me !" they throwed the KEY waiting it to be found , and then they knew the ps3 will got hacked . they are the only winners after all .

      Geo hope you explode the trouth one day .

    116. krazikurd
      03-05-2011
      07:13 PM
      116

      As micheal Jackson said bless his soul, they don't give a f*ck about us, it's all about the money, if Sony could they would sue every single one of us. They don't care if we like them or not along as there making there income.

      So those saying what do you expect, I expect Sony to shut the f*ck up and grow up. STOP TREATING CUSTOMERS LIKE MONEY FIGURES

    117. superfurry
      03-05-2011
      07:31 PM
      117

      I think it's really funny all these kids say f*** you Sony and f*** that Sony , come and get me blah blah blah. For 1 thing if they did come Nd get you , your parents would probebly get the Blaenau cause there most likely paying the bill and 2nd you all say I ain't buying there products , you probably never do anyway cause you can't afford to being 14 - 17 years old your probably on your Xmas presents. Just chill out


      Thanks, superfurry

    118. superfurry
      03-05-2011
      07:32 PM
      118

      Blame* sorry dam iPhone get


      Thanks, superfurry

    119. krazikurd
      03-05-2011
      07:54 PM
      119

      Got to love this kids who can't buy Sony products, to all the Sony fans still buying Sony products, congrats on being another figure in their wallet, if you had ANY complaints what so ever they don't care and won't fix it. Any one that thinks Sony is this humble company who cares about the views of there customers (hacker or not) needs to come back down to reality.

    120. Poquito
      03-05-2011
      09:30 PM
      120

      I feel sorry for anyone who is tangentially connected to any of the people involved in this decision when it comes to online presence.

    121. Klaxxon
      03-06-2011
      06:09 AM
      121

      I'm here, cleaning my gun as I am reading this and I cannot believe the enormous steps Sony is taking. You don't see microsoft taking these kinds of actions when the xbox/360 was hacked. I don't remember if i visited geohots website or not, I'll check my history tomorrow after I install the new silencer on my P90. All I can say is that I hope this madness don't drag like a billion innocent people down.

    122. Wolfie708
      03-06-2011
      06:17 AM
      122

      In all honesty, Sony can only use IP records as an indication of how many people are interested and MAY have hacked the PS3, much like how market research works.

      If they were foolish enough to try and prosecute, or even penalise in any way, me then I would file against them and the judge who allowed it. I would most likely get no where with it, but I would go to all lengths possible to make sure it was made known to the press and public just what they had done.

    123. mightykhan
      03-06-2011
      06:33 AM
      123

      Originally Posted by snipersnake
      at the most they will add the IP addresses to a list and check them against the IPs of people going on PSN and watch them like a hawk for jailbreaking or CFW.
      They probably will do that, but it's illegal. They never would have got access if they'd said it's what they want to do.

      Their two stated reasons are ridiculous. They don't need the IP addresses to prove geohot was distributing, because his site had a nice "download here" type link. And it's even less relevant to the venue issue. No jurisdiction, not even California, is gonna expect the internet to tailor itself so everything California doesn't like is unavailable in California. If that's what they want, let them put up a Chinese-style firewall. It's silly to say they want California IP addresses just to prove a conspiracy to break California's laws by making something available somewhere else. They'd pretty much have to find something on geohot's website saying "this stuff is for people in California" to do that.

      So whatever they're really planning to do, they're not revealing, which means they're up to no good and must be stopped.

    124. sickboy1138
      03-07-2011
      02:42 AM
      124

      Originally Posted by krazikurd
      STOP TREATING CUSTOMERS LIKE MONEY FIGURES
      what do you think you are? a unique and beutiful butterfly?
      every customer of every company is just a number.
      Do you think someone who works for sony hasnt calculated
      whether it was more profitable to persue this line of action or not?
      or whether the point of protecting their IP was worth the bad press and possible resentment it could create?
      Welcome to the capitalist way of life.
      (you may also find it interesting that the ancient entymology of the word capital came from same word that evolved into cattle)

      and it makes me laugh when I see so many in disbelief
      at the tactics that Sony are able to achieve in the US court system.

      Learn about your country and its laws. Either you'r all to young to have learned and understood them or none of you have taken notice to the MAJOR laws that have been passed in the last 15 years that have stripped personal freedom and rights and handed them to national security and corporate interests.
      and for those who live outside the US maybe you should pay attention too. its all going world wide.
      ACTA is a reality.

      If they can prove that geohots code has their code in it... they could theoretically go after every IP that downloaded his JB files.
      whether or not sony could also get the courts to make the 10K ISP resolve the IP addresses would still need to be determined .
      (I say 10K because I dont really think theyre are that many JBers)

      but I dont believe that they're doing that anyway. I just think they want
      the number of individuals that DLed the files and possible use some of them
      to further prove the point of jurisdiction.

    125. krazikurd
      03-07-2011
      07:39 AM
      125

      Originally Posted by sickboy1138
      what do you think you are? a unique and beutiful butterfly?
      every customer of every company is just a number.
      Do you think someone who works for sony hasnt calculated
      whether it was more profitable to persue this line of action or not?
      or whether the point of protecting their IP was worth the bad press and possible resentment it could create?
      Welcome to the capitalist way of life.
      (you may also find it interesting that the ancient entymology of the word capital came from same word that evolved into cattle)

      and it makes me laugh when I see so many in disbelief
      at the tactics that Sony are able to achieve in the US court system.

      Learn about your country and its laws. Either you'r all to young to have learned and understood them or none of you have taken notice to the MAJOR laws that have been passed in the last 15 years that have stripped personal freedom and rights and handed them to national security and corporate interests.
      and for those who live outside the US maybe you should pay attention too. its all going world wide.
      ACTA is a reality.

      If they can prove that geohots code has their code in it... they could theoretically go after every IP that downloaded his JB files.
      whether or not sony could also get the courts to make the 10K ISP resolve the IP addresses would still need to be determined .
      (I say 10K because I dont really think theyre are that many JBers)

      but I dont believe that they're doing that anyway. I just think they want
      the number of individuals that DLed the files and possible use some of them
      to further prove the point of jurisdiction.

      yea im not from the states im from Canada and i know in the states The Patriot Act of 2001 expanded wiretaps to internet connections. The Protect America Act of 2007 and FISA Amendments Act of 2008 extended that authority which by all means states what you are are talking about, Sony could use it in its favor, Not every company goes to extremes to catch the person who hacked there system, you don't see micro soft all hopped up on some "whoop ass juice"

      SONY SAID NO ONE COULD HACK THE PS3 , WHEN "SOMEONE" DID THEY ACTED LIKE PURE BABIES, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE THEY SHOULD HAVE SAID YES ITS HACKABLE AND IF YOU HACK THEN WE WILL SUE YOU WITH EVERY EXTENT OF THE LAW.


      So the way i see it the is all Sony's fault for issuing a challenge .If someone said you could never ever hack my system because it is unhackable is basically inviting some or all hackers to prove them wrong,when they did sony didnt try to just fix the problem but they went to lengths to sue the hackers, what does that say about them? THAT THERE SORE LOSERS .:musicus::musicus::musicus:

    126. loulou18
      03-07-2011
      10:53 AM
      126

      why are sony interested in ip addresses off ppl that visited GH website..

      they know off all ppl that used his hack,because we all got the emails saying that they were aware off 3rd party stuff on our ps3

      so i updated and ps3 hasnt been on since

      xbox360