• PS3 Hacks, PSN , 30.04.2011

    It has been almost two weeks since we have had PSN, whilst Sony gave us some answers, they didn’t give much away and the weren’t completely honest either, the FBI is investigating, senators asking for answers and now a United States House Of Representatives Sub Committee has sen a list of questions to the Chairman of SCEA, Kazuo Hirai:

    To see what the questions are, download the PDF here.

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  • 45 Comments

    1. CrystalWolf
      04-30-2011
      06:39 AM
      1

      Sony sure have alot to answer for.

    2. youngoz
      04-30-2011
      06:41 AM
      2

      This seems to be getting better and better... Sony is F*ck3d! Karma is a B!+ch!

    3. prhotosho
      04-30-2011
      06:42 AM
      3

      Originally Posted by youngoz
      This seems to be getting better and better... Sony is F*ck3d! Karma is a B!+ch!

      Agreed, Very NICE :-)
      I am smiling now.

    4. hackster
      04-30-2011
      06:44 AM
      4

      These jokers should be forced to march down a busy street with their pants down around their ankles, waiving and blowing kisses to all the people they affected.

    5. bigo93
      04-30-2011
      07:27 AM
      5

      I think Sony should give everyone with a PS3 a free Xbox 360 with Kinect!

      Xbox 360 with kinect is 250 from play, so if you remove taxes and Sony get a better than trade deal, which they can since they will be buying millions, Sony can get a bundle box for 150 each or less!

      I think this is more than appropriate compensation for ps3 owners. And it shouldnt be 1 per person, but 1 per console owned!

      A lot of people have lost trust in sony and the ps3, and I believe getting sony to do this is in fact letting them off lightly!

      If you agree to this then please spread it on twitter and forums etc, 150 is around $250, there is no way ppl will accept a free game download as compensation!

      The more people demand this the more sony will have to respond to it.
      SOny lied to us for a week, didnt follow basic operations for handling data, so I am sure some will agree that with hindsght many would not have bought a ps3 knowing this and got an xbox. So instead of us wasting money changing consoles, sony should pay!

    6. japsander
      04-30-2011
      07:28 AM
      6

      all sony services should be halted and not resume until a satisfactory resolve has been made.

      a full count of the damage caused needs to be made public and the best bit of this news is that sony cannot point the finger at us as this was their problem in house.

      now if the sued devs came forward to offer their own answers then maybe they could be let off as they were simply uncovering flaws that sony were hiding knowingly.

    7. Shezed
      04-30-2011
      07:50 AM
      7

      The first thing that popped in my mind is "Iselection day comming doon"? Seems fishy that politics are soo concerned lol

    8. loulou18
      04-30-2011
      08:17 AM
      8

      lol it just gets better!!!!!

      well done sony ,this is a balls up of EPIC MAGNITUDE......

      So like now all mine and 2.2 million other psn users private details are all over the internet..great....

      time to list the ps3 on the net,all it does is collect dust and prop open my back door now anyway!!

    9. cmptrblder
      04-30-2011
      08:39 AM
      9

      Companies like Sony ONLY care about profits...PERIOD. They (as well as PSN customers) can blame hackers all they want, hackers and DEV's are the ones who find the issues and problems and this personal customer info problem was brought up MONTHS ago and Sony obviously never fixed it. If anyone is to be blamed it IS Sony for having a poorly built system and total disregard for there customers data and credit info giving customers a false sense of security. Sony needs to grow a spine and do whats right for there customers and giving us a FREE game isn't going to cut it. I sincerely hope the US government does the right thing and ***** slaps the hell out of Sony for this one and other companies learn a lesson on this event. Personally, I hope Sony makes this right with customers or there going to loose ALOT of business.

    10. BobbyBlunt
      04-30-2011
      08:46 AM
      10

      Wow the U.S. government stepped in?!?!?!?!? Let's see Sony try and use the ToS as an escape clause now with the U.S. demanding answers and European laws also broken. Thhings just look worse for Sony everyday.

    11. lightyear
      04-30-2011
      09:04 AM
      11

      I found the rest of the letter...check the attachment

    12. GregoryRasputin
      04-30-2011
      09:11 AM
      12

      Originally Posted by lightyear
      I found the rest of the letter...check the attachment

      Yeah, its on the front page, where it says "download here".

    13. lightyear
      04-30-2011
      09:27 AM
      13

      hahaha...how did I miss that????

    14. jivex5k
      04-30-2011
      09:36 AM
      14

      Originally Posted by hackster
      These jokers should be forced to march down a busy street with their pants down around their ankles, waiving and blowing kisses to all the people they affected.
      +1 for the Simpsons reference.
      Ah Nelson, will he ever stop being a bully?

    15. plaguereign
      04-30-2011
      09:42 AM
      15

      if the US government is getting involved, this may be a dobule edged sword for us. If they put into action, policies regarding video game systems and security, we are screwed. It would be having the exact opposite effect we wanted all of this to have on sony. Now, if it is just to make them answer questions, why isnt the FTC listed in there?

    16. OoZic
      04-30-2011
      09:43 AM
      16

      Originally Posted by BobbyBlunt
      Wow the U.S. government stepped in?!?!?!?!? Let's see Sony try and use the ToS as an escape clause now with the U.S. demanding answers and European laws also broken. Thhings just look worse for Sony everyday.
      The US Government owns a lot of PS3's in clusters so the US has agreed to the 3.15 ToS and EULA. Now if that ToS contains anything saying Sony is not responsible for anything the US can't do anything

      Us to Sony: "you are breaking laws here"
      Sony to US: "You accepted our ToS, get lost, we have every right to do whatever we want, remember?"

    17. plaguereign
      04-30-2011
      10:12 AM
      17

      Thing is, you dont accept the TOS until you sign on to PSN. If the government accepted the TOS, they coudlnt use otherOS

    18. lightyear
      04-30-2011
      10:28 AM
      18

      Originally Posted by plaguereign
      Thing is, you dont accept the TOS until you sign on to PSN. If the government accepted the TOS, they coudlnt use otherOS
      they could if they did it when 3.15 was the most current firmware

    19. ricker
      04-30-2011
      10:45 AM
      19

      Nobody running a cluster server of ps3s' is gonna take the time to go on psn, make accounts and such, they just want the processing power, nothing more. So they would never have accepted a tos.

    20. OoZic
      04-30-2011
      10:55 AM
      20

      Originally Posted by plaguereign
      Thing is, you dont accept the TOS until you sign on to PSN. If the government accepted the TOS, they coudlnt use otherOS
      There is also the EULA you have to accept when you turn the PS3 on for the first time. Don't know what the EULA says because I never read them (ToS also never). I only agree to contracts if I put my handwritten sign on it.
      If I buy a house and I have paid for it, it is done, the house is mine. The former owner can't say when I open the door to my new home how I have to behave at my new own paid property. If he wanted that right to have something to say about my behavior he should have told me before I bought it, not afterwards. You can't accept someone's money and change or add rules afterwards superannuated in a normal free world. Too bad our normal free world is gone due to globalisation...

    21. projectorfreak
      04-30-2011
      10:55 AM
      21

      Credit card data being lost and nothing being said has zero to do with the tos
      I hope they think they can just shine on the government like they think they can dupe the public
      Senators have kids with their credit cards
      Federal laws regulating how sensitive information is handled were in place long before any tos and could potentially make all tos up to this point null and void

    22. jorgebus
      04-30-2011
      11:00 AM
      22

      Karma is a b*tch.

    23. ramuh13
      04-30-2011
      11:08 AM
      23

      ...just like how Cartman would say it:

      "Sony, you should borrow some lipstick so you could at least look beautiful before you get F*cked!"

      lol


      ...I hope South Park can do an episode about Sony and their f*ck-up ...this seasons first episode was hilarious hehehe...

      anyway, Sony I hope you bought some condoms, so it'll be safe when you get f*cked haha

    24. Mystt
      04-30-2011
      11:10 AM
      24

      It has been almost two weeks since we have had PSN, whilst Sony gave us some answers, they didn’t give much away and the weren’t completely honest either, the FBI is investigating, senators asking for answers and now
      Seriously its a lot worse than this. Europe has their own team investigating and demanding answers. Taiwan wants answers within a week or they are charging Sony Japan $1000 - $10,000 fine per taiwan citizen account breached. Canada is now launching their own official investigation into the matter and are working with the FBI to get answers. Rumor mill has it that the CC info isn't even stolen but Sony is wanting to claim it is stolen to cast eyes away from blaming Sony for their lack of security *which will be determined if it was a factor by FBI: good luck paying them off Sony*. And I wouldn't doubt if every day another country that had trade agreements and privacy protection laws in place for consumers will start attacking Sony very very soon.

      This Sunday, the CEO of Sony Japan, Kaz Herai, is going to come out and have a press conference to explain more of what Sony and FBI has learned. Doubtful will they go into too much details as to not compromise the investigation. Little doubt will they likely state Anon Group as the hackers responsible for this heinous crime. But what I am curious to see is what security measures will Sony claim was up in place, and will there be evidence to prove or disprove their claims?

      This is not a good time for Japan, last year Toyota and their billions of recalls on vehicles where brakes stopped working or gas pedal auto accelerated. Now this.

    25. CodeBlue
      04-30-2011
      11:31 AM
      25

      Glad the government took a step into this but obviously this is a no brainer that the government will get involved. 77 million credit cards are possibly stolen and ID theft and most of the consumers with those credit cards are people in the US. Just think how much of a mess this would be once when those hackers that took our information began using our credit info. The government couldn't just sit back and watch. I used to love having a sony product around the house and lets be honest, they make good sh*t. But lately anytime I see a Sony product I just completely feel sick inside instantly and I'm not even exaggerating. Sony has been a bully and now it's time to get a time out.

    26. nexile
      04-30-2011
      11:41 AM
      26

      LOL i almost ripped the sony deck out of my car cause of all the hate

    27. GregoryRasputin
      04-30-2011
      11:51 AM
      27

      Originally Posted by CodeBlue
      77 million credit cards are possibly stolen and ID theft and most of the consumers with those credit cards are people in the US.
      Wrong, Sony estimate 2.2 million of those 77 Million accounts are accounts with any credit card details.

      50 Million consoles sold, not all of them have PSN accounts, but some people have multiple accounts, i created a US account back when Home was in its beta, as well as having my normal EU and US.

      So 77 million users affected is an over reaction.

    28. robdaghost
      04-30-2011
      12:38 PM
      28

      CONGRATULATIONS to Sony! They're going to find out what it's like to be Kate Middleton, as they are both about to get royally f***ed! YESSSSS!!!

    29. Mystt
      04-30-2011
      01:20 PM
      29

      So 77 million users affected is an over reaction.
      Not really, cause identity theft regardless of CC theft is a huge issue of concern as well. Its why nations across the world put in place internet privacy laws and made identify theft awareness an issue for concern. Just because there may not have been a credit card stolen, doesn't mean they can't find out if you even have one since they know where you live now *assuming you put in your proper address when you signed on PSN*, its too late to go back on that. With just an address and a birthday you can do credit checks, apply for loans, get cash advances and more. That's really the highest concern at this point.

      I mean people dig in trash just to get the info that was taken off PSN, so trust me, when I say this is not over-reacting nor are the numbers. If 77 million PSN accounts were breached, they haven't had time to subtract multiple accounts per PS3, dummy accounts, etc. But it is still A LOT. That's why every nation is demanding answer, and they should. People really should be a lot more concerned about their credit report at this point, cause if that information sells *without the CC*, then what? You have to rely on blind faith that you don't get ****ed over by the guy who owns your data, and millions of others.

      It would take some time to go through 50+ million users info, and track what to do with it, so we can only hope there is enough man power to watch and wait across the world for someone to slip using that data to get loans or buy cars or whatever. The best thing to do for whomever got this information would be to die in the shadows. *metaphorically speaking* just hide. Stay away from the net while you at it. Don't do anything to give away your location, and definitely do not try to sell this info, cause that's what the FBI and other nations would want, a way to get it and to get all those involved.

    30. Schnippshly
      04-30-2011
      02:26 PM
      30

      Originally Posted by bigo93
      I think Sony should give everyone with a PS3 a free Xbox 360 with Kinect!
      Sounds like someone wants a Kinect and doesn't want to pay for it.

    31. chink1234
      04-30-2011
      03:25 PM
      31

      Im a long time visitor and first time poster. what people dont realize is that identity theft doesn't happen right away and could take years before it occurs, on top of that (as a former victim) it is more then just money and credit they are after, they can go after benefits, file false insurance claims (home,auto,etc), and above all things lie to a peace officer during a arrest and\or ticket that they will never pay or show up to court for and then you got charges on you for violations you never did or were apart of. On top of that (not trying to glorify the criminals) the id thieves are not stupid, they are smart, they don't just use your information, they can get several identities and have them all co-sign on one loan to ensure a bigger amount. Even if you got absolute proof you are a victim of identity theft, it is really hard to prove to companies, loans, and courts that it wasnt you, the reason being, the criminals used all the identifying information that is used to identify you. With simple passwords and address, you can obtain peoples driver's license numbers or have a reprint sent to them, the same with bank cards, and even obtain your social. Believe me and Trust me, there are incredible smart id thieves out there and they will ruin your finances and crimes. My **** happened in 2006 and I am still having to deal with this stuff, over 150,000$ in loans was open up in my name along with 3 co-signors, they were able to convince my bank it was me on the phone and got a new bank card and check book ordered to their hotel address and left my account in the negatives of well over 2,000$. They did get a hold of my health insurances and did cost visits that left me with bill collectors saying i still owe high co-payments. Dont take this issue lighty, I nearly lost my house and my wife just had a new born at the time. Watch your credit and check your bank/insurances/ and check court houses to make sure no one is getting booked under your name. it is not a GOOD thing. I would of rather of been raped by 8 big dudes all cover with hair on a beach with no lube then to go through that mess again.

    32. chidori456
      04-30-2011
      03:39 PM
      32

      Whoever keeps saying: Sony deserves this blah blah blah karma blahblahblah ect ect. What happens if they Have to shut down due to this fiasco? Sure them sueing people because they were just modifying PS3 giving out hacks ect ect. Who the **** wouldn't. No one in there right mind in this world would not do something stupid for Lots of money. So IF this does get worse, It could get worse for ALL ps3 players hackers or not.

    33. brunospfc
      04-30-2011
      05:12 PM
      33

      what can we learn from that?

      DONT bring problems to the credit card companies, they dont fulck around!

    34. Fox Die
      04-30-2011
      05:19 PM
      34

      well in my opinion its a double edge sword with SONY on one side and DEVS/Hackers on the other....if they sue SONY for this incident then they'll also take care of piracy/hacking seriously. They may apply new policies that would make devs to stay them to their homes...But as a legit gamer or not this ancident is really BAD and US officials had no option just to ask SONY for it and THEY SHOULD.....Bottom line for SONY from me is
      "ur TOS wont be saving u this time and just get ready to be F*C*ED for real this time"

      "IT ONLY GETS TO BE FU**ED HARDER"
      SONY

    35. plaguereign
      04-30-2011
      05:26 PM
      35

      The TOS from 3.15 is null and void since you cannot log into PSN with 3.15.

    36. japsander
      04-30-2011
      06:39 PM
      36

      Originally Posted by plaguereign
      The TOS from 3.15 is null and void since you cannot log into PSN with 3.15.
      the TOS is not null and void unless you accept any later TOS. if you do not accept any later then the 3.15 TOS still stands as that is the latest one you accepted

    37. papagouesse
      04-30-2011
      06:42 PM
      37

      The sad part of this is that Sony might use this incident as an exemple of why
      it should be illegal to modify your consoles. and solid regulations could be made in their favor, even though its their security system that has allways been lame. this changes the perception that the normal people have when they think of hackers.

      everytime a theft like this one will happen, geohot, FOF and all the other devs that are actualy good for the computer scene will be viewed more and more as criminals. UNLESS, some skillfull lawers make it clear that it is LEGAL for the costumers to modify their Sony computer systems, as much as any mobile devices or EVERY other computer system that exists!

      To go even more further, I beleive there is a chance that this whole attack was orchestrated by the inside to serve the purpose of making more laws that suppres consumer's rights. maybe Sony settled geo's case cause they knew that they had to wait just a little more before the could win, and win everytime...

      I hope i'm wrong. but after everything we've seen since 2k, seems likely to say the least.

    38. japsander
      04-30-2011
      06:50 PM
      38

      Originally Posted by papagouesse
      The sad part of this is that Sony might use this incident as an exemple of why
      it should be illegal to modify your consoles. and solid regulations could be made in their favor, even though its their security system that has allways been lame. this changes the perception that the normal people have when they think of hackers.

      everytime a theft like this one will happen, geohot, FOF and all the other devs that are actualy good for the computer scene will be viewed more and more as criminals. UNLESS, some skillfull lawers make it clear that it is LEGAL for the costumers to modify their Sony computer systems, as much as any mobile devices or EVERY other computer system that exists!

      To go even more further, I beleive there is a chance that this whole attack was orchestrated by the inside to serve the purpose of making more laws that suppres consumer's rights. maybe Sony settled geo's case cause they knew that they had to wait just a little more before the could win, and win everytime...

      I hope i'm wrong. but after everything we've seen since 2k, seems likely to say the least.
      this has not 1 thing to do with the console itself.
      this was a fail on sonys servers. hacking the console would not achieve this result

    39. Trollin
      04-30-2011
      07:39 PM
      39

      Originally Posted by plaguereign
      if the US government is getting involved, this may be a dobule edged sword for us. If they put into action, policies regarding video game systems and security, we are screwed. It would be having the exact opposite effect we wanted all of this to have on sony. Now, if it is just to make them answer questions, why isnt the FTC listed in there?

      This

      You guys should be hoping that sony doesn't even set foot in court.

    40. papagouesse
      04-30-2011
      07:50 PM
      40

      I get your point, you proly dont even need a ps3 to hack the psn...

      all i was saying is that these mediatic stunts affect public perception about hacking in general, it makes people perceive hackers as criminals. As far as i know, Sony would love the people to hate hackers instead of giving them hundreds of thousands in donations...
      and now, i guess alot of people are pissed that their credit card info has most likely been stolen.
      who is to blame for that, Sony or hackers? i think the majority is gonna say hackers...
      (not the people on this forum, of course)
      just saying it gives Sony even more power over honnest Devs who do not condone pircay, and that imo is sad.

    41. bigo93
      04-30-2011
      09:42 PM
      41

      Originally Posted by Schnippshly
      Sounds like someone wants a Kinect and doesn't want to pay for it.
      And an xbox console as well! to replace my ps3 which is now technically a paperweight as I will no longer be supporting sony and playstation brand.

      I think sony should pay for the inconvenience and cost of users like me having to convert to the xbox. There is no way I am going to accept psn credit or a voucher for a sony product! I no longer wish to support sony so what would I do if that is what sony are going to compensate users with?
      And I bet if they do that it'll be like 1 free game download, a max value of 40, you think 40 is enough to compensate for this disaster?! I dont think 150 is enough, but that'll be the cost for Sony to give all us users an xbox console to replace our new paperweights!

      Oh and I also have a copy of MAG, an online only game, expect a full refund on that as well!

    42. MAX_Pain
      04-30-2011
      11:30 PM
      42

      I agree that it is the hackers fault that millions of credit cards and personal info was stolen, but Sony is just as much at fault for not protecting that data as much as they could have. This is a very bad situation for Sony and they might not ever recover from this, if they had as much interest in protecting our data as suing people this would have never happened.

    43. LuckySnake
      04-30-2011
      11:32 PM
      43

      F-ck the world!!!!!!!!

    44. Fox Die
      05-03-2011
      12:00 AM
      44

      its definitely Sony's fault that CC are stolen cuz of their lame security....y hackers do not hack into Xbox Live and steal CC from there?? it shouldn't happen if their secuirity was good and if they do not sue people so that all hackers go mad on SONY that bad..BTW hackers job is to break into security not in particular SONY's case but all around the world. Its ur security that should be strong and not allowing them to access

    45. xXRosebloodXx
      05-03-2011
      07:25 AM
      45

      actually its not that inaccurate. 77 miliion accounts or more exist, so long as you count the accounts that arent just on console. yes, they are counting pc users as well, and theres also those people that have psps and dont have an actual ps3. like kids, for instance.