• PS3 Hacks, PS4 Hacks , 26.05.2011

    Sony vice president and chief financial officer Masaru Kato has confirmed that there is a PS4 in development.

    To quote:

    For the home equipment the PS3 still has a product life, but this is a platform business, so for the future platform – when we’ll be introducing what product I cannot discuss that – but our development work is already under way, so the costs are incurred there.


    We all know Sony always likes to contradict and deny it self, this is what Kaz Hirai said a while back:

    “a near-future PS4 or next-generation home console is not something that we are even debating now”.

    Don’t get all excited and sell your PS3, it is expected that the PS3 will have a ~10 year life span, so we should be good for a few more years :) . It will be interesting to see how the PS3 will preform against next gen consoles such as Wii 2 and “Xbox 720″ if they are released earlier than the PS3.

    What do YOU expect from the PS4?

    [VIA Eurogamer] - Thanks to daxgr for news tip

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  • 88 Comments

    1. potlick
      05-26-2011
      08:33 PM
      1

      that sucks if it dosent see its life expectancy, but owell. if they give up on it soon then expected. will that mean more devs will come out n release new cfw n homebrew? that be AWSOME. it'll b for sure ps3 games BC n then removed like the ps3 lol

      next gen consoles, hmmmm im going with nintendo and microsoft. SONY can SUCK MY BALLS.

      how bout you guys?

    2. BobbyBlunt
      05-26-2011
      08:35 PM
      2

      What do I expect? I expect full BC, OtherOS, and a price tag cheaper than $600.

    3. sesiom316
      05-26-2011
      08:38 PM
      3

      i want that d*amn console to have a powerful cpu and an upgrade-able gpu, could be a nvidia or radeon chipset, who cares as long as it beats pc permanently! pc should only be used for word, excel and photoshop.. haha..

    4. Rogerdodger91
      05-26-2011
      08:49 PM
      4

      I want removable RAM. Its ridiculous to assume the ps3 can survive ten years with only 256mb of RAM, even if it shares with the gpu. Half a gig of RAM? please.

    5. Annelies
      05-26-2011
      08:54 PM
      5

      Originally Posted by Rogerdodger91 View Post
      I want removable RAM. Its ridiculous to assume the ps3 can survive ten years with only 256mb of RAM, even if it shares with the gpu. Half a gig of RAM? please.
      There won't be removable RAM.

      The more they make it like a PC, the more it gives the consumer a reason to say
      "Well, I might as well buy a PC now"

    6. WantedMK
      05-26-2011
      08:56 PM
      6

      I think it is a ridicule way to avoid the problems with custom firmwares and unsigned applications on PS3.
      I hope this won't made my PS3 useless.

    7. moggpogi
      05-26-2011
      09:00 PM
      7

      i think all the games in ps4 will be all 3d.. and graphics and speed 10x the ps3... and i want a remake of ff7 in ps4...

    8. bigo93
      05-26-2011
      09:12 PM
      8

      I expect record low sales compared to ps3 sales.

      I for one wont be buying a PS4, until it gets hacked Until then I'll stick with my hacked ps3 and pc.

    9. Annelies
      05-26-2011
      09:13 PM
      9

      Originally Posted by bigo93 View Post
      I for one wont be buying a PS4, until it gets hacked Until then I'll stick with my hacked ps3 and pc.
      If you want a hacked PS4, just buy one on launch and never update the FW.

      Firmware 1.00 beats all.

    10. vb_encryption_vb
      05-26-2011
      09:14 PM
      10

      Pfft. I'll take a remake of FF7 right now on ps3,360 whichever.. Same story line just updated graphics...would be dope

    11. Amendment01
      05-26-2011
      09:22 PM
      11

      Homebrew support!

      Other than that, I expect to buy a console mady by a different company...

    12. blackmath
      05-26-2011
      09:31 PM
      12

      I'll be enjoying my hacked PS3, hacked Wii and legit Wii2.

    13. Thelostdeathknight
      05-26-2011
      09:39 PM
      13

      PC rules them all!!

      PS4 need full BC compatibility PS1&2&3, full otherOS support, and complete support for the homebrew community.

    14. DigitalP1R4t3
      05-26-2011
      09:58 PM
      14

      Originally Posted by Rogerdodger91 View Post
      I want removable RAM. Its ridiculous to assume the ps3 can survive ten years with only 256mb of RAM, even if it shares with the gpu. Half a gig of RAM? please.
      umm....256mb isnt half a gig.

    15. Phil-82
      05-26-2011
      10:03 PM
      15

      More excited for the capability of games on this "ps4" rather than the console itself. Full bc would be nice especially if you play ps3 games with online the same way you can on the actual ps3

    16. aldostools
      05-26-2011
      10:06 PM
      16

      I expect story repeat: another humongous fail in security/identity theft in a pay-per-PSN, an initial ripoff price, another propietary media format (PS1=CD, PS2=DVD, PS3=BD, PS4=???), incremental removal of features, resell the same PS1/PS2/PS3/PSP games that you already own but in PS4 format, linux back then gone again, requirement of a brand new bravia to work, etc.

    17. MitchenX
      05-26-2011
      10:09 PM
      17

      It should be a secure system, with a secure network to connect to...
      It should also have a robotic hand that pats you on the back when you win. :P
      But really though... security.

    18. KillerBug
      05-26-2011
      10:14 PM
      18

      Originally Posted by Annelies View Post
      There won't be removable RAM.

      The more they make it like a PC, the more it gives the consumer a reason to say
      "Well, I might as well buy a PC now"
      Nah...they just don't want it to be like a PC because it gives people freedom, and Sony hates freedom. If they were to make it more like a PC, it would probably do really well...I even thought up a marketing campaign..."It only does everything"...oh wait, they already used that for a system that can't even do a f**king spreadsheet...didn't they?

    19. makaveli101
      05-26-2011
      10:15 PM
      19

      as an online gamer ps3 sucked so bad for it... i mean killzone was ok but its nothing special compared to cod or halo. and uncharted was good but nothing special compared to gears of war.

      and the online service was horrible, $ony shud stop being so stuck up and get rid of that plain & dull xmb menu. 360 has had about 3 different menu changes all with many great updates. On top of that unique profiling was much better on xbl.

      $ony were fast to fight piracy but don't care about the ps3 experience we want.

      ps4 i hope they start caring.. even if it takes £40 a year per person for them to care like m$

      imo xbox 360 won.

    20. JugMuffin
      05-26-2011
      10:17 PM
      20

      I will do one of two things:

      1) Buy the console when it's hacked, as long as it still costs Sony money for each unit sold.
      2) Not buy it.

      I expect another PS3, only with more insane control over how you use the system - all games requiring PSN access (with ALL your personal info) to work, 100x the emphasis on microtransactions, absolutely no linux, some moronic proprietary BD format, no support for any third-party controllers, rootkit from the start, and so on. There will be another major security oversight that leads to system hacking, but nobody will care and the PS4 hack scene will be full of "meh."

      Eat a bag of hell, Sony.

      *edit* The security on it will be suffocating to the point that it hinders legitimate users on a daily basis.

    21. arishay
      05-26-2011
      10:48 PM
      21

      @JugMuffin:

      You are a complete tool. Sony has *EVERY* right to more security and if you honestly expected it to be so bad that it "suffocates" legitimate users then so be it. I'd rather know that my personal information isn't being passed around on some dvd-r in some ukranians basement just waiting to get sold off as a spam list. It's bad enough that people even tried several times to steal ****. What's even worse is that most people expect it to be open with cfw, but they want more security. So let's break it down:

      I want CFW.

      I want Security.

      But wait I still want CFW.

      ...but I still want more security.

      The problem lies in the fact that we even have cfw! Someone had to break the security of the system in order to figure out how to get cfw running in the first place--so anyone who is complaining about that is just as ignorant as the OP I responded to.

      One last point I want to put out there, is you will never see upgradeable internal components in a console. If you truly feel like it will happen, you are a complete idiot and you should just stop buying consoles. They have traditionally never been meant for consumers to open and mess with because everything inside is in a proprietary format. It saves them money that way and it keeps people out of them so they can offer you a damn warranty. If you want to mess with something, go mess with your pecker.

      I now wait for the 15 year olds to start flaming me.

      warning

      Warning

      No flaming, thank you



    22. lernatix
      05-26-2011
      11:40 PM
      22

      Originally Posted by BobbyBlunt View Post
      What do I expect? I expect full BC, OtherOS, and a price tag cheaper than $600.
      What you'll get. More of the same, but possibly in 1080p.

    23. youngoz
      05-26-2011
      11:47 PM
      23

      I remember paying $600 for the PS3 on release date.... can you imagine the price for the PS4 on release date

    24. Annelies
      05-26-2011
      11:51 PM
      24

      Originally Posted by youngoz View Post
      I remember paying $600 for the PS3 on release date.... can you imagine the price for the PS4 on release date
      Probably the same price.

      Anywhere between $500-$600

      Anywhere near $700+ will scare people away from it so quick. Besides, like I said, if someone's going to pay $700+ on a console, they might as well get a gaming PC and Sony knows it.

    25. Amendment01
      05-26-2011
      11:56 PM
      25

      @arishay

      I support CFW for one reason.....We can create our own code and execute it!

      So, in my opinion....
      If Sony gave us a development/homebrew sandbox to play in, then there would be no reason for CFW! And they can tighten their security as much as they want... As the only people that would want to breach their security would be either thieves or pirates!

      Regardless if they support homebrew or not, people will still play in the sand.....
      Embrace It Sony! Then, it will actually not be so hard to see who the bad guys really are..

    26. pbanj
      05-27-2011
      12:47 AM
      26

      they couldnt do removable ram as then not every one would be able to play every game they just need to make it with atleast 2gb

    27. jazneo
      05-27-2011
      12:54 AM
      27

      If want to make hack free they need to remove this



      USb port
      DVD/blueray drive

      make only able to work online if you dont have internet you just have big paperweight


      only have connetor for tv and power supply cant have ethernet because it be easy to hack

    28. Thelostdeathknight
      05-27-2011
      01:08 AM
      28

      Originally Posted by Annelies View Post
      Probably the same price.

      Anywhere between $500-$600

      Anywhere near $700+ will scare people away from it so quick. Besides, like I said, if someone's going to pay $700+ on a console, they might as well get a gaming PC and Sony knows it.
      for $700 if you DIY you can build a decent gaming rig!!! I only have $540 into my pc and it is a beast. What i put in mine, when assembled retails on sites like ibuypower and cyberpowerpc for over $850 and that's bare bones and some parts aren't even as nice as mine. the mark up on them is crazy.

      For a console to cost more than $400 in my opinion is totally insane, but you will have crazy people who will pay that to be raped by sony. it's sad really. if it costs more than 400 no way in hell can sony get me to buy it!! i'll wait to get one used

    29. shawn2323
      05-27-2011
      01:33 AM
      29

      It be nice if they let you have all your paid psn games and content on ps4 no charge.
      Also a proper upscaler for ps1 2 games. Hell make the ps4 have a usable upscaler via a hub rca, vga ,component. output via hdmi 1080p

      something like this but the ps4 does all the work. Something the ps3 cell could do.

      hxxp://www.atlona.com/Atlona-10-input-Switcher-Scan-Converter-with-Single-HDMI-1.3-Output-with-3D-Support.html

    30. RichB93
      05-27-2011
      01:36 AM
      30

      Originally Posted by Thelostdeathknight View Post
      for $700 if you DIY you can build a decent gaming rig!!! I only have $540 into my pc and it is a beast. What i put in mine, when assembled retails on sites like ibuypower and cyberpowerpc for over $850 and that's bare bones and some parts aren't even as nice as mine. the mark up on them is crazy.

      For a console to cost more than $400 in my opinion is totally insane, but you will have crazy people who will pay that to be raped by sony. it's sad really. if it costs more than 400 no way in hell can sony get me to buy it!! i'll wait to get one used
      There wasn't any markup on launch, they were sold at a loss. It was new tech and the price reflected this.

      CELL was a new chip that hadn't been in production long.
      Blu-Ray lasers again hadn't been on the market for a very long time.
      RAM was expensive (especially given it's high speed RAMBUS stuff).

      The PS4 will probably be slightly cheaper at launch though I expect.

      What I'd like/expect to see:

      CELL, die shrunk further (optimized cache too maybe?) and clocked higher.
      2/4GB system RAM, 1/2GB VRAM
      NVIDIA GTX 580 derivative.

      They could essentially modifiy the current system architecture to support the upgrades. Would help with BC and as parts would essentially work the same it would be a lot cheaper than a complete redev.

    31. chaosity
      05-27-2011
      02:00 AM
      31

      This may sound like an odd thing to say but I actually LIKE my PS3, thats why I have one. I also have 4 xbox 360s, in various stages of repair/mod etc which I dont use. So yeah I like my PS3 because as an overall system, for me, its superior to the 360 (I dont just play games).

      The security of the PS3 was superb, as you all know, for a long time until an employee (or someone close to Sony) sold/lost that initial developers dongle. So though the security now is falling faster than a $5 prostitutes knickers I still think they did a good job, initially.

      A lot of people say about Linux and homebrew, I totally understand the feeling of theft concerning the OtherOS aspect, though I never used it, but to compare too the 360 which to my knowledge has none of these options seems a tad unfair.

      I agree the PS3 was overpriced at launch, but it contained a lot of brand new technology (and lets also compare that to the 360, it was cheaper and a pile or RROD s**t tbf, which only really changed with the launch of the newest models).

      And then people scream about security, yes its an epic fail by Sony to keep things secure but why is it now wide open? Oh yes hackers. What did the hackers do, oh yes CFW. So to have CFW, for what ever reason, seems to be the reason the security lacks so it seems a tad odd to complain about security when people with CFW are the reason. The logic seems flawed to me.

      I've always liked Sony, theyve bought me more fun times than M$ ever has. Yes Sony have taken a bit of a totalitarian attitude towards the security of there system regarding hackers, but considering whats going on, the loss of revenue, and the security issues would you rather they just shruged and left us all too suffer at hands of hackers who know more than us...it seems an odd situation to me.

      I hope Sony survives, and I hope they produce a good PS4 for one last reason that has no connection to the above statements - COMPETITION. M$ and Nintendo wont try as hard if the competition falls away, technically the PS3 is better than wii and 360 in my opinion so the next gens will try to push to be better....competition is good.

      Anyway, work calls. Peace to all.

    32. havok7
      05-27-2011
      02:14 AM
      32

      yeah we can expect this in like 2014/15 lol

    33. systematic
      05-27-2011
      02:30 AM
      33

      it looks like a wii knock off

    34. Bubbles
      05-27-2011
      02:31 AM
      34

      Sony will be along way off finalising any spec or design for PS4, its PR timing. E3 is just over a week away and Nintendo will be showing project cafe. This story just takes the wind out of Wii2 hype and puts Sony back on the front page.

    35. fahadsul3man
      05-27-2011
      02:44 AM
      35

      if sony invests billions in ps4 just like ps3's cell then u know wats gonna happen ? it will be an epic failed investment and na na na hey hey good bye mr stinger and kaz lol they would be making out with hobos in hollywood's dim lit alley.

    36. Annelies
      05-27-2011
      02:46 AM
      36

      Sony can't afford to fail with PS4. If they do, then it's without a doubt the end of PlayStation.

    37. chizi
      05-27-2011
      03:52 AM
      37

      CFW for the ps4 this is just too soon i may just go back to pc gameing now on a gtx 590. it will last me 5years more to a ps 5

    38. advocatusdiaboli
      05-27-2011
      04:20 AM
      38

      Perhaps they will use telnet for security measure for the PS4? Or Telex?

    39. teh_DARTH_Pefko
      05-27-2011
      05:06 AM
      39

      I would expect from sony and psx if i buy the f**king game to be able to play it off line &online whithout having to update the f**king firmwares. Also an upgradable ram wise psx would be interesting. And i'd like to sony cut the "war against piracy" crap.psx exists today because of "piracy". Anyone not admiting this is obvously at least missinformed.
      Ps3 could be the amiga of this era if only had not stupid limitations and if sony was not adding more "security -wise" limitations.The fools had the best card on hand and they burn it.the're idiots.

    40. happy4ever
      05-27-2011
      05:12 AM
      40

      better consoles than pc... like dual core proccessors... better video cards... sure... or i7 proccessors... sure more space like 1tb... not that big restriction... maybe improved security and all that ****... or... even maybe 2 video cards in 1 console.

    41. varaques
      05-27-2011
      05:44 AM
      41

      at this point in time I don't see a reason for a ps4 what could they possibly add?

    42. dlbogdan
      05-27-2011
      06:37 AM
      42

      Originally Posted by varaques View Post
      at this point in time I don't see a reason for a ps4 what could they possibly add?
      frickin' antialiasing and 1080p in all games??!


      I would guess that the next gen (i.e. PS3 PRO or PS3 Deluxe Edition or simply PS4) sony console should just be 1:1 compatible with PS3 titles BUT:

      1. Automatically switch to 32x FSAA on ALL titles
      2. 1080p output on all titles with 120 fps constant output (projector ready)
      3. HDMI 1.4 / NVIDIA 3D Vision compatible 3D output on all titles
      4. KEYBOARD AND MOUSE COMPATIBLITY FOR EVERY TITLE


      This should make everyone happy. The devs should work with their established engines and development tools and users would be enabled to enjoy better gfx/ gaming experience/imersion.

      Don't care about the HW components, as long as it would satisfy my list (maybe it would need 3 or more current gen CELLs or just one but seriously improved, maybe 2 or 3 SLI GPUs and definetly more RAM, a LOT more)
      I wouldn't care about power consumption ( current gaming PCs consume a lot anyways... ) but I do care about quiet heat dissipation.
      .. funny for this machine would come to life and in the original (or similar) PS3 FAT packaging..


      This would simply make me sell my Gaming PC in a second.

    43. intertweaker2
      05-27-2011
      06:43 AM
      43

      1GB LAN onboard and the option for multi-cross platform compatibility (PC-xbox-ps4)

    44. qlum
      05-27-2011
      07:21 AM
      44

      it's not really a contradicting the fact that they are spending money on development of a ps4 does in no way mean that it's about to be released anytime soon it takes ages for a console to be fully developed and they start researching the next console very soon after releasing the previous one so this isn't surprising at all

    45. Pockets69
      05-27-2011
      07:24 AM
      45

      Can't wait for the Ps4 to get out! So i can buy an xbox 720

      anyway only buying this when homebrew is available, and not buying new...

    46. jorgebus
      05-27-2011
      07:46 AM
      46

      I expect to buy another console, period.

    47. BobbyBlunt
      05-27-2011
      07:54 AM
      47

      Originally Posted by Pockets69 View Post
      Can't wait for the Ps4 to get out! So i can buy an xbox 720

      anyway only buying this when homebrew is available, and not buying new...
      At this point in time if Sony doesn't hit the ground running like they did with PS2 then I'm buying Microsoft's next product. I know in the US the luanch lineup for PS3 was weak. Everyone played Resistance because there was nothing else to play. On PS2 there were several awesome launch titles, and games seemed to come out frequently. Sony needs to remember why people buy their systems, and they have disappointed a lot of customers.

    48. Pockets69
      05-27-2011
      08:15 AM
      48

      you know what bobby? i see it getting worst regarding to launch lineup, i am seeing exclusives to disappear probably not in the next gen, but in the one after it.
      you saw how many exclusives sony lost this gen games like tekken devil may cry and final fantasy. i imagine whats going to happen in the new gen, and the next one! i guess we will be playing resistance 4 or 5 all over again in the ps4 launch!
      I remember what i was playing in the ps3 launch NBA Street: Homecourt, and then elder scrolls oblivion, i just got resistance because of the swap exploit in the beginning XD

    49. qnzboi102
      05-27-2011
      08:25 AM
      49

      i wont even waste my money on this garbage. Im not buying anything that bares the name Sony, especially a PS4

    50. Nure06
      05-27-2011
      08:27 AM
      50

      I think that i wont buy it because sony is incompetent..
      Sony did so many faults that i dont have any trust in them anymore..

    51. warkbt
      05-27-2011
      08:47 AM
      51

      Like gnzboi and nure said, I won't buy sony's garbage any more, after what happen with the ps3 no real linux support, no ps2 emu, no psp emu, security only for fools and just a puny 3D plugin, to hell with sony.

    52. chemixal
      05-27-2011
      09:12 AM
      52

      Hmm What do I expect from ps4 ?

      not much actually...

      Playstation one, two support, but no ps3 support, no linux, lots of **** , maximum security... blue-ray for a while ....

      3d stuff for those rich enough to buy a 3d tv.
      a super design and of course, lots of YLOD for the first couple years it's released...


      no thanks, ima stick with my ps3 slim then I guess ill just quit video-gaming.

    53. Rax909
      05-27-2011
      09:20 AM
      53

      I don't expect anything from it. Ps3 should have 15 or 20+ more years actually. So don't expect this until at least 2020 or 2025.

    54. Annelies
      05-27-2011
      09:25 AM
      54

      Originally Posted by Rax909 View Post
      I don't expect anything from it. Ps3 should have 15 or 20+ more years actually. So don't expect this until at least 2020 or 2025.
      That is completely ridiculous! We can most likely expect PS4 in 2013/2014. Support for the PS3 will most likely die in 2020.

      Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using Tapatalk

    55. Rax909
      05-27-2011
      09:28 AM
      55

      Nope. Never gonna happen. 2014 or 15 is far too soon. That would "have" to mean they've been secretly working on it since the ps3 was released. And they haven't.

    56. matty85
      05-27-2011
      09:31 AM
      56

      i'll be getting it on day 1 whenever that is and whatever the cost! i got the ps3 on day one so i will get ps4 on day one! I seem to be one of a few people here that dont hate sony lol.

      for the people that will wait for homebrew before buying enjoy your wait.

      As for keeping your firmware at 1.00 really dont think that matters much as the ps3 got hacked on 3.41.

      I do have a hacked ps3 but play my 3.61 ps3 more.

    57. GregoryRasputin
      05-27-2011
      10:13 AM
      57

      Originally Posted by Rax909 View Post
      I don't expect anything from it. Ps3 should have 15 or 20+ more years actually. So don't expect this until at least 2020 or 2025.

      Sony said the PS3 has a 10 year life span, the PS3 was released in 2006, that makes your estimate way off.

      I really don't get where the 2025 figure from, that is quite baffling.

    58. danieljamie
      05-27-2011
      10:39 AM
      58

      Wow so much hatred for Sony!

      I expect the PS4 out in the next few years.

      I think they will continue with Cell architecture and build upon it. Lets be honest, Microsoft or Nintendo simply can't match the processing power of the Cell with conventional triple-core or hex core processors. It's just not enough. Sony invested a LOT of money in the Cell, and I think they will continue to improve it.

      They will add more RAM, but due to the super speed of the RAMBUS, they don't need all that much anyway. I guess 1GB or 2GB max. They will add an insane video card, once again customised for PS4.

      They will add a completely isolated virtualised linux. From what I heard, they removed linux because of pressure from the powers at be, at IBM, because everybody was buying PS3s instead of blade computers. I think that IBM will have no design control over PS4 due to the Cell project being complete?

      Hard drives will be upgradable, and once again encrypted. All PS3 security will be added, as well as more types of security. Perhaps they will hire somebody who actually knows how to code a random number this time? rand()

      They will keep dualshock 4. Same layout as it is not. Perhaps with touch controls on the pad somewhere. NGP will be fully compatible, as will Xperia phones. PSMove 2 will be much better also. Perhaps a sensor will be added similar to the wii.

      The software will either be XMB or Android. Facebook features will be built in. As will all the other stuff.

      It will be expensive. I will buy it on day 1. I am already saving up

    59. JugMuffin
      05-27-2011
      12:09 PM
      59

      Originally Posted by arishay View Post
      @JugMuffin:

      You are a complete tool. Sony has *EVERY* right to more security and if you honestly expected it to be so bad that it "suffocates" legitimate users then so be it. I'd rather know that my personal information isn't being passed around on some dvd-r in some ukranians basement just waiting to get sold off as a spam list. It's bad enough that people even tried several times to steal ****. What's even worse is that most people expect it to be open with cfw, but they want more security. So let's break it down:
      ...............
      The problem lies in the fact that we even have cfw! Someone had to break the security of the system in order to figure out how to get cfw running in the first place--so anyone who is complaining about that is just as ignorant as the OP I responded to.

      I now wait for the 15 year olds to start flaming me.
      Sony has every right to make a sub-par experience, but the question was "What do YOU expect from the PS4?" so I said what I expected. Anti-piracy security bloat has little to do with how Sony should handle your personal data and deal with their community. Was custom firmware responsible for all these Sony services having security holes? No. If you feel Sony should create a product that hinders its own success, congratulations.

      I don't feel its my right to have custom firmware; I don't even use it, and I've never pirated a PS3 or PSP game. Maybe when linux dual boot becomes noob-proof I'll give it a go. I expect a system to work as sold. I don't expect a system to be open; I've never flamed Microsoft for the fact that my 360 is not running CFW. What I do care about is whether the company cares about the people who buy their products and how they simultaneously poop on them while telling them it's good for them OR ELSE. Then they get violated to hell by hackers because they were too busy being full of themselves.

      Bullies get what bullies deserve, and Sony has done this all to themselves. I fully expect their arrogance to continue to get the better of them. Their history speaks for itself. If you'd like every. single. frigging. game. to have an AC2 approach to functionality, then hey! keep smoking that oregano. I'll be over here not buying any more new PS3 games and not trying to cheat my way onto the PSN.

      RAR I am on the internet!

    60. GregoryRasputin
      05-27-2011
      12:18 PM
      60

      You say:

      Originally Posted by arishay View Post
      @JugMuffin:

      You are a complete tool.
      Then:
      Originally Posted by arishay View Post
      If you want to mess with something, go mess with your pecker.
      And then say this:
      Originally Posted by arishay View Post
      I now wait for the 15 year olds to start flaming me.

      Your last statement being hypocritical, there is no need to insult anyone, people are entitled to their opinion without being flamed for it:

    61. Wolfie708
      05-27-2011
      12:23 PM
      61

      I think he meant to say "I now wait for my Elders, the 15 year olds to start flaming me."

    62. Thelostdeathknight
      05-27-2011
      01:09 PM
      62

      Originally Posted by RichB93 View Post
      There wasn't any markup on launch, they were sold at a loss. It was new tech and the price reflected this.
      I see you qouted me with out understanding my comment. The comment about mark-up was aimed at gaming PCs.......

    63. Pockets69
      05-27-2011
      01:26 PM
      63

      the bottom line is this PS4 will fail if they keep the same strategies, the ps3 failed, i know most of you think the ps3 did very well, no it didn't, it failed hard, after having the ps2 that sold 150millions (as of january 2011), they have the ps3 the machine that sold less in the next generation, the new generation will be no different, the ps4 will fail.

    64. CharlietoKind
      05-27-2011
      02:42 PM
      64

      no actually the ps3 wasn't a fail, it offered a blu ray player for $499.99 for the original 20 gb, and if you went to a store, a independent blu ray player costs about $800-$1,200 yet the ps3 was cheaper, and had a powerful processor and gpu for that time, i think the ps4 will be similar to the ps3, but an updated nvidia gpu and maybe a dual core processor with 8 syncing cores instead of the current single core 8 syncing cores...

    65. Pockets69
      05-27-2011
      02:48 PM
      65

      no i am not talking about features charlietokind, the ps3, when it comes to features outclasses every console in the market! i am talking about sales. it failed on sales not on features.

    66. Wolfie708
      05-27-2011
      02:58 PM
      66

      Originally Posted by Pockets69 View Post
      no i am not talking about features charlietokind, the ps3, when it comes to features outclasses every console in the market! i am talking about sales. it failed on sales not on features.
      True, with the abilities it has it should have walked over the rest, with possible exception of the Wii as that is typically seen as a group player fun thing and not a serious contender.

    67. alipapa
      05-27-2011
      06:55 PM
      67

      Many PS3 YLOD due to overheating issues. A 10x more powerful PS4 will make it worst. No way creating an omnipowerful PS4 when you can't solve the overheating issues.

      PS1 gave us low resolution games on SD TV + CD. When PS2 was introduced, it gave us decent SD quality games + DVD. PS3 gave us HD games (mostly 720p) + Blu-ray. Unless you are using a screen that is larger than 55 inch, the 720p picture quality is already quite good. What can the PS4 do that its predecessors cannot, full HD + Blu-ray (still) +3D? If so, its just an incremental change. If it can't provide that quantum leap then its better to stick to the current PS3.

      Consumers have poured tons of money into buying stuff like Move controllers, rock band kit etc to enhance their gaming experience. If PS4 can't create a compelling reason to enhance their experience, it will just be a lame excuse for Sony to ditch the "fail-proof" PS3 for a higher performing PS3++. If so, PS3++ console sales is unlikely to take off significantly.

      Developers have spend lots of money learning and developing games for PS3. If they don't see wider adoption of PS3++, they are better off creating games for a console that already has more than 50 million users.

    68. sibs44
      05-27-2011
      07:20 PM
      68

      Why am I somewhat worried about all this? I mean I just bought a brand new PS3 slim even though I had a PHAT 80gb before. I feel somewhat cheated..

    69. n2neee
      05-28-2011
      03:42 AM
      69

      If Sony actually listened to their customers and took their heads our of there a$$...

      MINIMUM! (this means the only way I will consider)
      - 4ghz 45nm Cell w/ 1gb RAM (multi-tasking is standard)
      - OtherOS w/ Provided Graphics Drivers
      - Ergonomic Controllers, easier operation (no gay triggers)
      - Full Backwards playback (emulated)
      - Fully Supported File types (flv,mkv,swf,mov,divx,etc..)
      - HTML5 Capable or Firefox browser!
      - In-game Music Player
      - Wireless N
      - 4-6 USB Ports
      - DUAL HDMI (You Promised last time. This sh*t's cheap and realistic now!
      1v1 on Two Separate screens or Landscape/FULL 3D Mode!)
      ANDDDD

      3 Year Manufacture's Warranty(For protection from all those fked up BR-Drives last time someone updates one of your crappy, debilitating firmware.)


      Otherwise, Emus ftw!

    70. sibs44
      05-28-2011
      08:53 AM
      70

      Originally Posted by n2neee View Post
      If Sony actually listened to their customers and took their heads our of there a$$...

      MINIMUM! (this means the only way I will consider)
      - 4ghz 45nm Cell w/ 1gb RAM (multi-tasking is standard)
      - OtherOS w/ Provided Graphics Drivers
      - Ergonomic Controllers, easier operation (no gay triggers)
      - Full Backwards playback (emulated)
      - Fully Supported File types (flv,mkv,swf,mov,divx,etc..)
      - HTML5 Capable or Firefox browser!
      - In-game Music Player
      - Wireless N
      - 4-6 USB Ports
      - DUAL HDMI (You Promised last time. This sh*t's cheap and realistic now!
      1v1 on Two Separate screens or Landscape/FULL 3D Mode!)
      ANDDDD

      3 Year Manufacture's Warranty(For protection from all those fked up BR-Drives last time someone updates one of your crappy, debilitating firmware.)


      Otherwise, Emus ftw!
      If it had these specs I would be the first one in line on launch night!

    71. LEECHER
      05-29-2011
      06:06 AM
      71

      @n2neee 1GB of ram, are you kidding? New generation should have at least 12GB and at least 2GB video ram. Standard in PC's is like 4GB-6GB right now, so how are you gonne make PS4 future proof with 1GB ram...

    72. GregoryRasputin
      05-29-2011
      06:47 AM
      72

      Originally Posted by LEECHER View Post
      @n2neee 1GB of ram, are you kidding? New generation should have at least 12GB and at least 2GB video ram. Standard in PC's is like 4GB-6GB right now, so how are you gonne make PS4 future proof with 1GB ram...

      Games consoles have never been big on Ram and they never will be as opposed to their PC counterparts also have you nay idea how much 12GB or ram in a games console would cost, it would probably add £1000 to the price if not more.

      You cannot think of a PC when thinking about a games console, the PS3 may have been dubbed a super computer, but that was due to its processing capabilities.

      The PS3 has 256 MB system and 256 MB video
      The norm for PC's back when the PS3 was released was around 2GB or ram and a 512MB graphics card.

      So into days standards the PS3 should have at least 1.5GB ram, but will probably remain with 512mb graphics.

      memory stats in Games Consoles:
      PS3: 256 MB system and 256 MB video
      X360: 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM clocked at 700 MHz
      Wii: 88 MB main memory (24 MB "internal" 1T-SRAM integrated into graphics package, 64 MB "external" GDDR3 SDRAM)

      PS2: System memory: 32 MB Direct Rambus or RDRAM - 4 MB Embedded DRAM video memory bandwidth at 48 gigabytes per second (main system 32 MB can be dedicated into VRAM for off-screen materials)
      Xbox: 64 MB DDR SDRAM at 200 MHz; in dual-channel 128-bit configuration giving 6400 MB/s
      Gamecube: 43 MB total non-unified RAM
      Dreamcast: 16 MB main RAM (SDRAM), 8 MB video RAM, 2 MB sound RAM

      So you see games consoles ram compared to the PC is rubbish and that will never change.

    73. sergey33
      06-02-2011
      03:35 AM
      73

      Originally Posted by Annelies View Post
      If you want a hacked PS4, just buy one on launch and never update the FW.

      Firmware 1.00 beats all.
      he he logical)

    74. OoZic
      06-02-2011
      07:28 AM
      74

      Originally Posted by sergey33 View Post
      he he logical)
      For a homebrew user yes, for a PSN junkie no

      ---------------------------------------------------------------------

      The PS4 will fail just like every superior system (V2000, BetaMax, Amiga computers, Sega, PSP etc etc) has failed in the past.
      Most users use it as a tool on household level so it has to be simple. They don't buy expensive professional tools for their simple needs. Only pro's buy professional tools for professional results and that market is way smaller

      For the rest, I won't trust Sony forever anymore. They sell me a PS4 and I end up with 1/4 PS4 after some downgrading updates. No way, I have had it with their bully behavior. I'm gonna make myself my own very small PC system (without NVIDIA !!) for gaming/linux/video when my PS3's die. That way there is only one manufacturer that can limit me, and that is myself
      And maybe it costs me a little more money compared to a console but that is nothing for the extra freedom ...

    75. $n!pR
      06-02-2011
      09:05 AM
      75

      Originally Posted by Pockets69 View Post
      the bottom line is this PS4 will fail if they keep the same strategies, the ps3 failed, i know most of you think the ps3 did very well, no it didn't, it failed hard, after having the ps2 that sold 150millions (as of january 2011), they have the ps3 the machine that sold less in the next generation, the new generation will be no different, the ps4 will fail.
      Didn't realize you could see the future. So I guess with that logic the Xbox 360 failed too seeing as the two consoles are only a few million in sales apart.

    76. OoZic
      06-02-2011
      09:35 AM
      76

      Originally Posted by $n!pR View Post
      Didn't realize you could see the future. So I guess with that logic the Xbox 360 failed too seeing as the two consoles are only a few million in sales apart.
      Compared to the inferior and later introduced wii? yes they both did...

      (http://www.suite101.com/content/wii-...onsole-a298195)

      That is also why the emulator scene is big, most people like simple and fast play for most of the time. Only modern nerds want to get the most out of their console and want to spend hours and hours behind a game

    77. $n!pR
      06-02-2011
      10:24 AM
      77

      Originally Posted by OoZic View Post
      Compared to the inferior and later introduced wii? yes they both did...

      (http://www.suite101.com/content/wii-...onsole-a298195)

      That is also why the emulator scene is big, most people like simple and fast play for most of the time. Only modern nerds want to get the most out of their console and want to spend hours and hours behind a game
      No I'm sorry but the only reason the Wii did so well is because they hit a niche market of none gamers and gramma's who don't play games. Take a look at the attach rate and it tells a very different story about who's 'winning'.

    78. OoZic
      06-02-2011
      10:55 AM
      78

      At least they win with bringing a next gen console. While Sony is developing Nintendo introduces the new wii 2. This will boost their sales far beyond the PS3.

      Nintendo also has a very massive handheld market compared to Sony and M$... the base for the next generation of gamers.

      If Sony would support it the playstation is the best system ever. To bad they screwed it up and didn't learn from other companies failures. Because of money, being the best doesn't make you a winner in this world.

      And don't get me wrong, I'll keep on loving my PS3 for the great technology but with my age (43) I have seen it happen with lots of "superior" systems... And i put my money on Nintendo if I have to bet about the future.

    79. $n!pR
      06-02-2011
      12:54 PM
      79

      So now you going to point to handhelds? The 3DS isn't even selling that well. PSP is actually outselling it and it's like a 5 year old console.

    80. KingKush
      06-02-2011
      07:50 PM
      80

      Originally Posted by $n!pR View Post
      So now you going to point to handhelds? The 3DS isn't even selling that well. PSP is actually outselling it and it's like a 5 year old console.
      are you actually presenting facts or opinions? Because Opinions are like gas everyone has them....

      Source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430044

      NPD April 2011 Sales Results

      Hardware:

      Xbox 360 - 297K (+60%) - Top Selling Console
      Nintendo DS - 257K (-42%)
      PlayStation 3 - ~204.3K (+13%)
      Nintendo 3DS - 194K
      Wii - 172K (-38%)

      Humm dont seem to see psp here!

      of here' s Software if you were curious!

      Software (New Physical Retail only) - System Ordering Does Not Indicate Sales Ordering
      01. Mortal Kombat 2011 (PS3, 360)** Warner Bros. Interactive - 1+ Million With Special Editions (Much Higher Debut Than Both Street Fighter IV and MvC 3)
      02. Portal 2 (360, PS3, PC) Electronic Arts - 637K
      03. Lego Star Wars III: The Clone Wars (Wii, NDS, 360, 3DS, PS3, PC) LucasArts
      04. Call of Duty: Black Ops (360, PS3, NDS, Wii, PC)** Activision Blizzard
      05. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 12: The Masters (360, PS3, Wii)** Electronic Arts
      06. Crysis 2 (360, PS3, PC) Electronic Arts - 236K
      07. Just Dance 2 (Wii) Ubisoft
      08. Michael Jackson The Experience (360, Wii, PS3, NDS, PSP) Ubisoft
      09. Pokemon White Version (NDS) Nintendo
      10. NBA 2K11 (360, PS3, Wii, PSP, PS2, PC) Take 2 Interactive - 190K

    81. OoZic
      06-04-2011
      06:14 AM
      81

      Originally Posted by $n!pR View Post
      So now you going to point to handhelds? The 3DS isn't even selling that well. PSP is actually outselling it and it's like a 5 year old console.
      Don't know with what kind of computer-toys you started with but for most of us it was a handheld (Texas Instruments Little Professor for me).
      Second, comparing the whole PSP range to one Nintendo model isn't really fair. The 3DS also gives people headaches because of the 3D technology making it sell less.
      last: check wiki:
      (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._game_consoles)
      Handheld game consolesSee also: Comparison of handheld game consoles
      Manufacturer Platform Released Units sold
      Nintendo Nintendo DS 2004 146420000 !146.42 million[2]
      Nintendo Game Boy/Game Boy Color[3] 1989 and 1998 118690000 !118.69 million (combined)[2]
      Nintendo Game Boy Advance 2001 081510000 !81.51 million[2]
      Sony PlayStation Portable 2004 067800000 !67.8 million[5]
      Sega Game Gear 1990 011000000 !11 million[18]
      Nintendo Nintendo 3DS 2011 003610000 !3.61 million[2]
      Nokia N-Gage 2003 003000000 !3 million[18]
      SNK Neo Geo Pocket/Neo Geo Pocket Color 1998 and 1999 002000000 !2 million[18]
      NEC TurboExpress 1990 001500000 !1.5 million[18]
      Sega Nomad 1995 001000000 !1 million[23]
      350 million Nintendo handhelds to 70 million PSP's if you can count
      (check also the sold consoles...)

      And if you think the experience with handhelds is no reason to buy the same brand for the follow up console you are wrong. They know the system and don't want to learn another system.

      Once again, the PS range from Sony technically is the best ever, but it is like expensive professional tools, only people who know how to use them buy them, the rest buys low budget tools and is happy with it though they are limited.

    82. shippun
      06-11-2011
      04:16 PM
      82

      i expect the ps4 to scratch my balls will i play cod

    83. Annelies
      06-11-2011
      04:20 PM
      83

      Originally Posted by shippun View Post
      i expect the ps4 to scratch my balls will i play cod
      That's going to be difficult when there's nothing to scratch :P

      Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using Tapatalk

    84. OoZic
      06-11-2011
      04:42 PM
      84

      Originally Posted by shippun View Post
      i expect the ps4 to scratch my balls will i play cod
      The ps3 can do that already depending where you hold the controller

      You didn't get one of those with your PS3?

    85. shippun
      06-11-2011
      04:53 PM
      85

      Originally Posted by Annelies View Post
      That's going to be difficult when there's nothing to scratch :P

      Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using Tapatalk
      lol nice one annelies didn't expect anyone to say something like that XD

    86. Kurachigo
      06-13-2011
      11:26 PM
      86

      I honestly expect the PS3 to be an amazing console. I don't care if it gets hacked or not. I honestly don't like when people say they will only buy it when its hacked. I've always loved Sony. Sure they made some mistakes but hey shiz happens. I've never been disappointed by them. I will be getting the PS3 as soon as its available whenever that may be.

      Sent from my SGH-T959 using Tapatalk

    87. hcode123
      06-15-2011
      06:40 PM
      87

      The ps4 should be a 3d compatible labtop, that can also plug up to a tv. That plays ps3 psp ps2 and ps1 games. And when hacked it can play pc games.

    88. makaveli101
      06-20-2011
      10:49 PM
      88

      since 360 pwned ps3 in terms of online service & content & loyalty ... everything...

      im sure ps4 will focus on improving gui (menus) making it more about the community with video updates... cross game chat which $ony rejects hav failed to bring out...

      i mean e3 would have been great if they announced that ps3 will have a firmware update to improve online service & new menu features. but they were dying to sell out to new kids with ps move and buy new customers with ****ty psvita... so if you want a decent console this gen get a 360.

      i'm an online gamer so ps4 better meet my needs like the 360 did.