• Downgrade, PS3 Hacks , 14.10.2011

    Updates to story follow below. So more word from Team E3DIY for the anticipated E3 flasher. They have contacted PS3Hax and have confirmed that they will begin shipping units on the 13th. They also have made available the SLIM install PDF guide which you can download here. More information at their website here.

    The biggest change you guys should be aware of that the versions shipping will not feature dual-booting. This is mainly due to the need of manually soldering additional wires. They told us to expect another version with the dual booting ability soon.

    To quote:

    E3 flasher LIMITED version start to ship on 13th. We are sorry for the delay because CLIP component is very low rate .
    We had to ship small quantity like 100-200pcs every day recently , we are working hard to improve those problem.

    Now you can get new slim installation manual with clip from official web.

    E3 flasher limited version fixed on NOR FLASH FAT console not so good, you can know some from official web ,
    sure all NOR FLASH console is NO SOLDER include SLIM AND NOR FLASH FAT .

    We are regret that we had to cancel some function like dual boot from E3 FLASHER LIMITED version
    becuase NO solder function added(CLIP). We will develop a new flasher to add those function with few wire solder.

    We take some picture for E3 FLASHER LIMITED production, you can know production status official web .

    UPDATE 1:

    Got this email below from Team E3DIY:

    We think lots of user mis-understand us, here is some clarification.
    1: E3 FLASHER LIMITED still provide 11 accessory, include esata station.
    2: we design e3 flasher on solder way at first, this way can get dual boot well. But later we change hardware and software design because of adding clip. so finally it’s difficult to get dual boot function on e3 flasher clip version.
    3: You still can get 3.72 and 3.55 switch with 2 HDD, it need more steps than dual boot, maybe we can call it half dual boot. This way no need any solder. We will release this half dual boot way in few days, you just upgrade e3 flasher limited and get it work.
    4: We are working hard to allow e3 flasher limited vesion works really dual boot, but we can’t promise now because lots of changes.
    5: We upload all neccessory software and manual, you can go here to download and enjoy one key downgrade.
    6: New e3 flasher should come out in few month with more fantastic function !

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  • 162 Comments

    1. hamtah
      10-12-2011
      03:23 PM
      1

      So no Duel-Boot in the E3 flasher?

    2. Wildcat
      10-12-2011
      03:30 PM
      2

      Oh man, what an absolute scam! Pretty much the only reason people were buying this was for the dual booting capabilities. Now, just after they conveniently start shipping, they decide to tell people it isn't possible? So if you had to solder wires all along, they've pretty much just been lying this all time?

      What a crock of ****!

    3. fsdfgasgfisd
      10-12-2011
      03:33 PM
      3

      I am cancelling my preorder. I wanted Duel Boot not a flasher.

    4. circirman
      10-12-2011
      03:45 PM
      4

      I am canceling my order, this is bull and a complete lie. I am extremely pissed off and am mad at myself for selling my second PS3 with OFW 3.72 because I knew this was shipping soon. Oh well and not a good look for the scene at the moment.

    5. zecoxao
      10-12-2011
      03:50 PM
      5

      Whatcha gonna do? Always the same ****... Oh well, looks like progskeet is having more followers after this letdown

    6. tombot
      10-12-2011
      03:56 PM
      6

      Originally Posted by circirman
      I am canceling my order, this is bull and a complete lie. I am extremely pissed off and am mad at myself for selling my second PS3 with OFW 3.72 because I knew this was shipping soon. Oh well and not a good look for the scene at the moment.
      IF YOU WANT ONE SO FUC*ING BAD MAKE ONE UR FUC*ING SELF AND SEE HOW HARD IT REALY IS

      Sent On The Go

    7. haxxxen
      10-12-2011
      04:04 PM
      7

      Originally Posted by tombot
      IF YOU WANT ONE SO FUC*ING BAD MAKE ONE UR FUC*ING SELF AND SEE HOW HARD IT REALY IS

      Sent On The Go
      but it is ok and not hard to make false promises you little...

    8. Cheesethief
      10-12-2011
      04:16 PM
      8

      Originally Posted by tombot
      IF YOU WANT ONE SO FUC*ING BAD MAKE ONE UR FUC*ING SELF AND SEE HOW HARD IT REALY IS

      Sent On The Go
      We WERE PROMISED a dualbooting chip by this company that is charging more money for their chip than the next guys in line. So we have the right to be angry at them for telling us this information right when they are already shipping their chips out.

      We do not know how to make one, for sure, but we are paying money for someone to make it for us, which does give us a right to complain about their service and tactics.

      I am canceling my pre-order and waiting for their regular edition. Soldering or not, I want dualbooting.

    9. gambaownsu
      10-12-2011
      04:19 PM
      9

      ''Please trust us'' sign on their youtube video.

      Sigh..

    10. Señor_Striatum
      10-12-2011
      04:23 PM
      10

      Wow u would think dual boot is more important than soderless. To be honest I figured something like this was going to happen as soon as they postponed shipment after the new firmware update. I cant imagine how hard it was to develop the flasher and props to them but imo when things start to look sketchy they usually are. I really do not know any better but this leaves me questioning the ability of dual boot, Again that might be ignorant to say but it looks to me like they were buying time after 3.72. I'm not and there is No reason to be dissing on the scene though...

    11. bigo93
      10-12-2011
      04:24 PM
      11

      Ah well, I guess all our hopes lie on demonhades, that said their latest FAQ has been very suspicious, so I guess those on 3.72 wont get what they want this xmas

    12. Cheesethief
      10-12-2011
      04:28 PM
      12

      Originally Posted by bigo93
      Ah well, I guess all our hopes lie on demonhades, that said their latest FAQ has been very suspicious, so I guess those on 3.72 wont get what they want this xmas
      Demonhades is more full of sh1t than than a clogged toilet. I trust E3 a lot more than I do him.

    13. gDrive
      10-12-2011
      04:31 PM
      13

      Originally Posted by tombot
      IF YOU WANT ONE SO FUC*ING BAD MAKE ONE UR FUC*ING SELF AND SEE HOW HARD IT REALY IS

      Sent On The Go
      ULTRA MEGA EPIC FACEPALM AT YOUR STUPID POST!

      People who have bought/preordered the damn E3 Dual-Boot device have ORDERED IT FOR THE DUAL-BOOTING CAPABILITIES and hence they DID NOT BUY IT for anything else!

      What did these jerkoffs do? They turned around and said "me so sorry dat yu carnt dual-boot with dis even doe we sez yu can dualboot (goofy laugh)"!

      Yeah that's wonderful that is! /sarc

      These @$$hats have handled the situation badly up to the point whereby they have made it look like a con-job!

    14. circirman
      10-12-2011
      04:34 PM
      14

      Regardless of anyones ridiculous and immature comments about me trying to make this myself, E3 is now a scam in my mind. Although they claim dual boot is coming soon I can't help but ask, why trust them again?

    15. gDrive
      10-12-2011
      04:34 PM
      15

      Originally Posted by Señor_Striatum
      Wow u would think dual boot is more important than soderless. To be honest I figured something like this was going to happen as soon as they postponed shipment after the new firmware update. I cant imagine how hard it was to develop the flasher and props to them but imo when things start to look sketchy they usually are. I really do not know any better but this leaves me questioning the ability of dual boot, Again that might be ignorant to say but it looks to me like they were buying time after 3.72. I'm not and there is No reason to be dissing on the scene though...
      It may be a rash decision to pull out on the scene, but with crap like this, it is becoming more and more justifiable for the people who are livid with this bullcrap.

    16. headsupkid01
      10-12-2011
      04:37 PM
      16

      tombot you are a complete ****** rag. The whole point is they lied about what it can do.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      You are a complete ****** rag.

    17. Cheesethief
      10-12-2011
      04:42 PM
      17

      Originally Posted by circirman
      Regardless of anyones ridiculous and immature comments about me trying to make this myself, E3 is now a scam in my mind. Although they claim dual boot is coming soon I can't help but ask, why trust them again?
      It's not a scam exactly. Its main function is being a flasher and that is what they kept in this edition. I sure that the original version could dual boot, but people did not like the idea of soldering, which I do believe is correct, so they did away with that to gain more sales. What they did wrong is they did not inform the customer in a timely manner. Basically, "Here is your E3 Flasher, that will be $90. Thank you. Oh, by the way, we took out the dual boot feature. Have a nice day!"

    18. gDrive
      10-12-2011
      04:50 PM
      18

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      It's not a scam exactly. Its main function is being a flasher and that is what they kept in this edition. I sure that the original version could dual boot, but people did not like the idea of soldering, which I do believe is correct, so they did away with that to gain more sales. What they did wrong is they did not inform the customer in a timely manner. Basically, "Here is your E3 Flasher, that will be $90. Thank you. Oh, by the way, we took out the dual boot feature. Have a nice day!"
      You couldn't have said it better.

    19. bigo93
      10-12-2011
      05:01 PM
      19

      I dont think they lied about the dual boot. They say that the dual boot isnt solderless, and so as most people wouldnt want to do any soldering will not be releasing it with this version.

      It was announced at a really bad time though, after people had made preorders, let's hope they get all the features working without having to solder anything.

      As for demonhades, yes for the moment everything is hearsay and vapourware. I think he did this bit right, everything apart from announcing it. We know $ony will hunt ppl down so best to finish the project in secret, get a small group to test it then release it out of the blue so 4ony have to time to respond. I am surprised demonhades is still posting about it and not being sued already.
      But until someone gets their hands on the thing, we obviously cannot trust it.

    20. Lethal_NFS
      10-12-2011
      05:06 PM
      20

      Wow....I just blew $90 for nothing. So all this is, is an expensive downgrader? I need to try and cancel my preorder...

    21. fantazar
      10-12-2011
      05:15 PM
      21

      I'm going for the solder-it version as I don't have any issues with soldering. I've done worse and there aren't that many points to do.

    22. WalangAlam
      10-12-2011
      05:35 PM
      22

      sheeet! hope this doesn't get worse like no clip or getting brick due to faulty e3 why can't we rely on these sellers...hope they are as professional as tx. I bought 2 brand new lens from deal extreme they were both busted...sigh.

    23. Snaydher
      10-12-2011
      05:37 PM
      23

      I cancelled all my 6 units (for me and my buddies). IT's a shame, my PS3 is in CFW 3.55 already, i don't need a flasher, I need a Dual-Boot as promised.

      If everyone cancel your orders this guys will wait a minute before promise things that can't do.

    24. Alycan
      10-12-2011
      05:39 PM
      24

      Another company and still pulling a last minute $ony-action who would've expected that..

    25. pereb27
      10-12-2011
      05:47 PM
      25

      ...well, I sure am glad I've been looking for a cheap used PS3 for OFW on eBay instead of going for this flasher. I feel sorry for the guy who preordered this

    26. ruffers
      10-12-2011
      05:48 PM
      26

      loooooooooooooooooooool i knew it was bull**** to good to be ture ....ps3 on 3.55 0r 3.41 is dead sell it buy xbox 360 and flash it . i got an elite for £100 flashed looooooooooooooooooooooooool all new games weeks early lmao ps3 is dead r.i.p ps3........still got my ps3 its on ofw 3.72

    27. pereb27
      10-12-2011
      05:57 PM
      27

      Originally Posted by ruffers
      loooooooooooooooooooool i knew it was bull**** to good to be ture ....ps3 on 3.55 0r 3.41 is dead sell it buy xbox 360 and flash it . i got an elite for £100 flashed looooooooooooooooooooooooool all new games weeks early lmao ps3 is dead r.i.p ps3........still got my ps3 its on ofw 3.72
      I'm sure even if this was out with dual booting, you would say the exact same thing because you still couldn't pirate 3.60+ games with it

    28. Señor_Striatum
      10-12-2011
      05:58 PM
      28

      They ought to offer the option of either semi solderless dual boot flasher or soderless flasher. These are your customers team e3. Trust can only go so far and it's looking like it's time for a new market analysis. This is unfortunate, I had high hopes for the product even with the shady delays. I am interested in seeing what the deal is with the dual boot but ill personally wait until it is confirmed by some brave soul. Im not really into getting burned. What is happen?!

    29. macdude2012
      10-12-2011
      06:05 PM
      29

      pure bull****, i should've known better, something told me to wait before i ordered this. LESSON LEARNED!!!

    30. ruffers
      10-12-2011
      06:10 PM
      30

      Originally Posted by pereb27
      I'm sure even if this was out with dual booting, you would say the exact same thing because you still couldn't pirate 3.60+ games with it
      if it was real why not dual boot ofw 3.72 to 3.55 ...but as its fake i knew it was hype r.i.p ps3

    31. Rogerdodger91
      10-12-2011
      06:28 PM
      31

      So i just canceled my preorder and am expecting my 100 dollars back. This is such a sour disappointment for me. Not only was it delayed 3 TIMES, but they removed the only feature I was buying this for. They dont even speak proper english so its hard to understand what anything they say actually means.

    32. Sidewinder_2011
      10-12-2011
      06:30 PM
      32

      im not canceling my one , roll on till it gets here

    33. WalangAlam
      10-12-2011
      06:45 PM
      33

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      im not canceling my one , roll on till it gets here
      ya I hope their downgrader works...but with the poor English and this cancellation I don't expect mine to work.

    34. Cheesethief
      10-12-2011
      06:54 PM
      34

      Originally Posted by ruffers
      if it was real why not dual boot ofw 3.72 to 3.55 ...but as its fake i knew it was hype r.i.p ps3
      It was probably very real until people started complaining about the minor soldering that needed to be done.

    35. Sidewinder_2011
      10-12-2011
      06:55 PM
      35

      Originally Posted by WalangAlam
      ya I hope their downgrader works...but with the poor English and this cancellation I don't expect mine to work.
      hope so i wanna downgrade my slim and then make my cfw fat to ofw 3.72 , if it dont work then i get my gf to do a charge back on her cc

    36. transam7816
      10-12-2011
      07:20 PM
      36

      I bet this is all a scam. I should make a cool looking chip with a logo on it and take as many pre orders as possible and then back out

    37. wookieboy76
      10-12-2011
      07:22 PM
      37

      Your all being mugged off guys, word of warning, there never will be dual booting, they will take your money and dissapear

      Nelson - YouTube

      sorry

    38. Pirate
      10-12-2011
      07:27 PM
      38

      From the sounds of it the chip will probably delayed again until the dual booting feature is added.

      I recommend to not preorder this flasher until it is actually released so you know what you are buying.

    39. WalangAlam
      10-12-2011
      07:40 PM
      39

      Originally Posted by Pirate
      From the sounds of it the chip will probably delayed again until the dual booting feature is added.

      I recommend to not preorder this flasher until it is actually released so you know what you are buying.
      That's sad. How about those who pre-ordered a flasher. They should at least release those

    40. Lethal_NFS
      10-12-2011
      08:01 PM
      40

      ModChipCentral has quickly processed my refund and they had no idea the dual boot was removed until I mentioned it to them. They even replied saying that this is very unfortunate that they removed the feature. I will only use modchipcentral for my purchases now.

    41. Rogerdodger91
      10-12-2011
      08:23 PM
      41

      It doesnt make any sense why we would want to even install the thing. Hard flashing your nor back and forth between cfw and ofw is really bad for the chip. I had high hopes for this, and while i would like a flasher, Ill just wait for the progskeet version to come out with a nor based dual boot. They will probably be much cheeper and better quality.

    42. Cheesethief
      10-12-2011
      08:30 PM
      42

      Originally Posted by Rogerdodger91
      It doesnt make any sense why we would want to even install the thing. Hard flashing your nor back and forth between cfw and ofw is really bad for the chip. I had high hopes for this, and while i would like a flasher, Ill just wait for the progskeet version to come out with a nor based dual boot. They will probably be much cheeper and better quality.
      True. But this chips foremost feature was and always will be the ability to change the firmware as the users sees fit. Dual booting is an extra feature they worked in, but now they probably realize most of all people wanted both functions, but mainly dual booting.

      If people want a solderless downgrade solution, they must realize the customer WILL go with ProgSkeet as they are a recognized and proven manufacturer of quality modchips right now and E3 is not. Plus ProgSkeet is cheaper.

    43. straith
      10-12-2011
      08:36 PM
      43

      This is really amazing, they still trying to sell the same chip as if nothing had happened saying that they gonna make a revision when it is assumed that the dual boot feature was already done. I can´t think of anything but scam. Very embarrassing

    44. Sidewinder_2011
      10-12-2011
      08:52 PM
      44

      Originally Posted by straith
      This is really amazing, they still trying to sell the same chip as if nothing had happened saying that they gonna make a revision when it is assumed that the dual boot feature was already done. I can´t think of anything but scam. Very embarrassing
      dual boot was done but then every body moaned it wasnt total solderless so they made it total soldersless with the clip but it wont fuction for dual boot and clip as b4fore where is was partly soldering and it was to diffent points . any way as long as i can downgrade them im good to go , hopefully somepoint duel will be sorted

    45. mdaher
      10-12-2011
      08:58 PM
      45

      Originally Posted by Lethal_NFS
      ModChipCentral has quickly processed my refund and they had no idea the dual boot was removed until I mentioned it to them. They even replied saying that this is very unfortunate that they removed the feature. I will only use modchipcentral for my purchases now.
      how did you get them to cancel it?

      i emailed them as soon as i found out this news this morning and they still havent responded to me.

    46. straith
      10-12-2011
      09:00 PM
      46

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      dual boot was done but then every body moaned it wasnt total solderless so they made it total soldersless with the clip but it wont fuction for dual boot and clip as b4fore where is was partly soldering and it was to diffent points . any way as long as i can downgrade them im good to go , hopefully somepoint duel will be sorted
      You can downgrade with progskeet at less than half the E3 Price. Personally i wouldnt care if i gonna have to solder some wires. On this way its not different from progskeet so why buy an E3 at $100? What about people who made the reserve for a dual-boot chip at that cost? I think that they knew such feature was not possible like they promised.

    47. transitoryspace
      10-12-2011
      09:00 PM
      47

      so is $90 still worth it just for a downgrade?
      im currently on 3.60(slim) with no other option to downgrade that doesnt require soldering.

      also would it possible to use it to downgrade then put everything back into place. or does the downgrade only work with the e3 installed.

    48. Cheesethief
      10-12-2011
      09:09 PM
      48

      Originally Posted by transitoryspace
      so is $90 still worth it just for a downgrade?
      im currently on 3.60(slim) with no other option to downgrade that doesnt require soldering.

      also would it possible to use it to downgrade then put everything back into place. or does the downgrade only work with the e3 installed.
      You must take your PS3 apart, install the E3 flasher, put the PS3 together then downgrade. After that you can take the PS3 apart and take out the E3 flasher.

      ProgSkeet is going solderless too and I think their solderless is still less expensive.

    49. transitoryspace
      10-12-2011
      09:14 PM
      49

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      You must take your PS3 apart, install the E3 flasher, put the PS3 together then downgrade. After that you can take the PS3 apart and take out the E3 flasher.

      ProgSkeet is going solderless too and I think their solderless is still less expensive.
      but is progskeet solderless currently available...or any eta?

      btw other then the downgrade, complete backup of system and no dualboot...what can the e3 flasher do?

      btw on their site it said
      Integrated lots of interface, perfectly extension, will have more function with future new E3 accessory.
      anyone hear what those functions might be?

    50. Superb
      10-12-2011
      10:01 PM
      50

      Why don't e3 include both ribbon cables so the user has a choice.
      - solderless for downgrading or
      - solder for dual boot

      Simple

    51. Lethal_NFS
      10-12-2011
      10:02 PM
      51

      Originally Posted by mdaher
      how did you get them to cancel it?

      i emailed them as soon as i found out this news this morning and they still havent responded to me.
      They responded pretty quickly. I just simply emailed them.

    52. tenoob
      10-12-2011
      10:04 PM
      52

      I'm glad I canceled my order as soon as it was delayed a second time, I had a VERY bad feeling at the time when that announcement rolled in. Modchipcentral is legit though, go through them if you are in the USA or Canada. I'm getting the 360 wasabi and Cobra USB through them.

    53. KillerBug
      10-12-2011
      10:39 PM
      53

      Glad I didn't pre-order one...the package looked nice and all, but when I looked closely I saw no extra NOR chips and thought, "that means that it isn't a quick change...that means you have to flash it every time you want to change firmwares".

      Now they go and do this...I thought they were claiming that it was solderless for downgrade-only, with wires that you add for firmware swapping...how is this any kind of improvement from that? It seems like they just removed an option, not that they made it any easier for downgrade-only folks?

      I can understand slight delays...what they are doing isn't easy and I have had my share of, "Fun" dealing with manufacturers...so I'll let them off the hook for that one last time...but tomorrow is the 13th, and if they delay it again I won't be so easy on them.

      Also, what happened to all the other parts? I thought they were advertising 11 parts in 3 boxes...this looks like just box 1 with 4 parts. I put the image for what they were advertising for pre-orders below:

    54. lucky_davis
      10-12-2011
      10:50 PM
      54

      I am not saying that what they did wasn't shady or even right, and yes I think there price is way to high. And I didn't pre-order one either.

      But yall have to remember that though you might of gotten dual booting out of it, UNTIL, sony got there hands on it, and figured what can we do with an update to stop this. Sony would love to see everyone spend there money on "dual boot" wait a week and throw an update that stops it and might even make it were you can't flash it.

      I predict that Sony will be throwing an update out within the next 2 weeks that will stop what is going on now, or at least 2 weeks after a dual boot model comes out.

      Then your out of 90 bucks anyway. So it might be smarter to flash now, and put your CFW on it and leave it at that, and do all the work around from that. Sorry, but if your ever looking to run the lastest OFW and have the PSN, well Sony is gonna know how for you not to have your cake and eat it too.

    55. Sidewinder_2011
      10-12-2011
      10:56 PM
      55

      Originally Posted by lucky_davis
      I am not saying that what they did wasn't shady or even right, and yes I think there price is way to high. And I didn't pre-order one either.

      But yall have to remember that though you might of gotten dual booting out of it, UNTIL, sony got there hands on it, and figured what can we do with an update to stop this. Sony would love to see everyone spend there money on "dual boot" wait a week and throw an update that stops it and might even make it were you can't flash it.

      I predict that Sony will be throwing an update out within the next 2 weeks that will stop what is going on now, or at least 2 weeks after a dual boot model comes out.

      Then your out of 90 bucks anyway. So it might be smarter to flash now, and put your CFW on it and leave it at that, and do all the work around from that. Sorry, but if your ever looking to run the lastest OFW and have the PSN, well Sony is gonna know how for you not to have your cake and eat it too.
      sony wont be able to stop you from flashing your ps3 with a update , they would have to change hardware etc like on the new unhackable slim

    56. Cheesethief
      10-12-2011
      10:57 PM
      56

      Originally Posted by transitoryspace
      but is progskeet solderless currently available...or any eta?

      btw other then the downgrade, complete backup of system and no dualboot...what can the e3 flasher do?

      btw on their site it said

      anyone hear what those functions might be?
      I have not followed ProgSkeet, so I do not know. What I do know is that ProgSkeet does not come with an ESATA station which costs quite a bit. I am pretty sure you need it for ProgSkeet as well if I am remembering correctly the mainboard of progskeet is housed in the HDD bay.

      As for the extras,no one knows, they haven't announced anything. Would be cool if they announced an extra that enables dual booting at this point...

    57. Coontree17
      10-12-2011
      10:58 PM
      57

      can u still downgrade?

    58. Cheesethief
      10-12-2011
      10:59 PM
      58

      Originally Posted by Coontree17
      can u still downgrade?
      Of course. That is the point of it being called a flasher.

      If I could, I would buy the dual boot separately...

    59. Coontree17
      10-12-2011
      11:01 PM
      59

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      Of course. That is the point of it being called a flasher.

      If I could, I would buy the dual boot separately...
      yea but i got two ps3s so im straight lol

    60. lucky_davis
      10-12-2011
      11:01 PM
      60

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      sony wont be able to stop you from flashing your ps3 with a update , they would have to change hardware etc like on the new unhackable slim
      I believe that, I just would wouldn't count Sony out completely in finding ways to do something.

    61. speE67ight
      10-12-2011
      11:05 PM
      61

      maybe that is a lie


    62. Sidewinder_2011
      10-12-2011
      11:06 PM
      62

      Originally Posted by Coontree17
      yea but i got two ps3s so im straight lol
      i got three lol

    63. KillerBug
      10-12-2011
      11:07 PM
      63

      Originally Posted by lucky_davis
      I believe that, I just would wouldn't count Sony out completely in finding ways to do something.
      Could they disable this method? From the sounds of it, yes...they could. If it had a pair of NOR sets onboard, then Sony wouldn't be able to do anything...but with the half-arsed method here, Sony can probably block it with ease if it ever actually ships.

    64. Sidewinder_2011
      10-12-2011
      11:10 PM
      64

      Originally Posted by KillerBug
      Could they disable this method? From the sounds of it, yes...they could. If it had a pair of NOR sets onboard, then Sony wouldn't be able to do anything...but with the half-arsed method here, Sony can probably block it with ease if it ever actually ships.
      as long as i can downgrade my slilm one time ,so i can build my ps3 laptop then im happy ,

    65. Cheesethief
      10-12-2011
      11:16 PM
      65

      Originally Posted by Coontree17
      yea but i got two ps3s so im straight lol
      Then for just downgrading, this would still work for how you want to use it.

    66. lucky_davis
      10-12-2011
      11:47 PM
      66

      Question is, when is progskeet gonna come out with there solderless kit, how much, what is the difference from the e3 "flasher", and are they gonna offer any kind of dual boot? I want to make sure it is simple and safe before I go opening my ps3.

    67. mdaher
      10-13-2011
      12:03 AM
      67

      well i emailed them and asked to cancel my order a while ago.


      if they dont cancel ill just keep it and start a downgrading service on the cheap in kent, ohio hahaha

      just kidding i want my money back

    68. KillerBug
      10-13-2011
      12:05 AM
      68

      Originally Posted by lucky_davis
      Question is, when is progskeet gonna come out with there solderless kit, how much, what is the difference from the e3 "flasher", and are they gonna offer any kind of dual boot? I want to make sure it is simple and safe before I go opening my ps3.
      It would be nice if E3 sold just the clip...so you could use it with progskeet.

    69. circirman
      10-13-2011
      12:16 AM
      69

      Just received my refund from slickgate.com. It didn't take any longer than a couple hours. Although I am happy about my refund I am still shocked at the e3 flasher/ "dual boot"

    70. WalangAlam
      10-13-2011
      12:49 AM
      70

      Originally Posted by KillerBug
      It would be nice if E3 sold just the clip...so you could use it with progskeet.
      ya I juz really want it for the convenience of the no solder clip. Progskeet no solder is taking eons

    71. republicano
      10-13-2011
      12:51 AM
      71

      this reminds me with the situation we had with usb jailbreaks and its promises. Don't pre-order or get your hopes up till its on sale.

    72. KillerBug
      10-13-2011
      01:24 AM
      72

      Originally Posted by republicano
      this reminds me with the situation we had with usb jailbreaks and its promises. Don't pre-order or get your hopes up till its on sale.
      I won't buy it until the windows GUI is working smoothly and there are lots of positive reviews...NORway already has that and a Teensy 2.0++ is under $30 shipped (plus I already have a spare one).

    73. rusma
      10-13-2011
      03:43 AM
      73

      I knew as soon as there would be a new firmware this would all fail, I think the scene is losing and Sony is winning by now. This was different a while ago but now we're losing. I think I am going to switch back to OFW 3.72. Otherwise I won't be able to play newer gamestill like next year? I don't wanna wine, the developers are trying as hard as they can but it's a losed battle in my opinion..

    74. Sidewinder_2011
      10-13-2011
      04:02 AM
      74

      Originally Posted by rusma
      I knew as soon as there would be a new firmware this would all fail, I think the scene is losing and Sony is winning by now. This was different a while ago but now we're losing. I think I am going to switch back to OFW 3.72. Otherwise I won't be able to play newer gamestill like next year? I don't wanna wine, the developers are trying as hard as they can but it's a losed battle in my opinion..
      it has nothink to do with the update

    75. ruffers
      10-13-2011
      05:49 AM
      75

      why would anyone downgrade to play old games...p.s your to late ..... ps3 is dead r.i.p....xbox360 flashed playing rage ,forza.driver san francisco... can you do that on a ps3 ...its dead let it rest

    76. Sidewinder_2011
      10-13-2011
      06:09 AM
      76

      Originally Posted by ruffers
      why would anyone downgrade to play old games...p.s your to late ..... ps3 is dead r.i.p....xbox360 flashed playing rage ,forza.driver san francisco... can you do that on a ps3 ...its dead let it rest
      you forget ppl could be downgrading for linux ,homebrew thats the main reason for me downgrading my slim ps3 . so i can build a ps3 laptop then i make my cfw fat ps3 for online , would of been nice duel boot ofw/cfw on the laptop and also dualbooting cfw and linux would of been like triple booting . plus there is no new games out that i wanna play yet and if i do i just buy it for my 3.72ofw so im sweet as a nut

    77. Turretz
      10-13-2011
      09:39 AM
      77

      Originally Posted by Lethal_NFS
      ModChipCentral has quickly processed my refund and they had no idea the dual boot was removed until I mentioned it to them. They even replied saying that this is very unfortunate that they removed the feature. I will only use modchipcentral for my purchases now.
      Same happened here. I e-mailed them cancelling my preorder and they have quickly processed my refund. They are very professional, I will sure buy from them later.

      E3 Flash is useless for me now, once I'm already on 3.55 CFW. It's still useful for people who want to downgrade from OFW I think. but I was only looking for the dual bios feature, so I could play my original bluray games online and still be able to play backups and homebrew. Unfortunately, since new PS3 releases are not compatible with current CFW anymore, I think I will just upgrade to OFW anyway. Meanwhile, I will just wait for a dual bios release of E3 or Progskeet or whatever that do the job.

    78. zoppa
      10-13-2011
      12:21 PM
      78

      Same for me, I made my decision to buy the E3 flasher just because of the dual boot feature.
      Pre-order cancelled.

    79. Mystt
      10-13-2011
      12:28 PM
      79

      I glad I didn't rush to preorder this, I made that mistake with Coolrunner for 360, and there is still no confirmed ETA on that. Here's a thought to scene chip makers, don't advertise it until you have confirmed your product works through testing, and don't let it get on pre-order until you are sure you have the ability to get said chips manufactured. That would save a lot of time and grief for both consumers and makers alike.

    80. Mischif93
      10-13-2011
      12:44 PM
      80

      This is so upsetting as I feel its not the 1st time I think they lied and have used bad language skills as the reason, I understand completely why people are angry and should get refunds as duel boot was a great idea.

      Though I wont be canceling my pre-order as I just want a solderless downgrader even though its more expensive than progskeet and what progskeet's solderless will probably cost...

      Hopefuly this flasher will at least flash properly and not damage anything... What a gamble im taking

    81. Bassflower
      10-13-2011
      03:39 PM
      81

      I pre-ordered @ Lightake.com ....wrote 2 mails that I want to cancel my order...no Reply till now.....

    82. Plutonic
      10-13-2011
      09:53 PM
      82

      It isn't a "scam"; stop blabbering stuff.

      It's a change on release

      The scam here is only possible to be made by the website you got it from. Can you get your money back? Yes? No scam was commited. No? The site you got it from scammed you; they sold you something saying it did X thing when it didn't.

      This is to be expected with products like these, you should all know this if you're going to pre order them. Last minute changes are always in high probability.

      Admit it; if it was the other way around ("We had to remove the solderless clip so dual boot could be possible"), ALMOST EVERYONE would be saying "BUT I BOUGHT IT FOR SOLDER-LESS OMG SCAM WHO CARES ABOUT DUAL BOOT"

    83. lunex
      10-14-2011
      03:41 AM
      83

      I bought it only for solderless clip, easy installation and of course downgrade functionality so dual-boot doesn't really matter for me. Only thing that matters is waiting forever for shipment....

    84. Rogerdodger91
      10-14-2011
      03:54 AM
      84

      Originally Posted by Plutonic
      It isn't a "scam"; stop blabbering stuff.

      It's a change on release

      The scam here is only possible to be made by the website you got it from. Can you get your money back? Yes? No scam was commited. No? The site you got it from scammed you; they sold you something saying it did X thing when it didn't.

      This is to be expected with products like these, you should all know this if you're going to pre order them. Last minute changes are always in high probability.

      Admit it; if it was the other way around ("We had to remove the solderless clip so dual boot could be possible"), ALMOST EVERYONE would be saying "BUT I BOUGHT IT FOR SOLDER-LESS OMG SCAM WHO CARES ABOUT DUAL BOOT"
      It is to a scam. In fact its such a scam that Im having a hard time believing you are actually justifying their actions. First, they hyped up their product as being the "FIRST DUAL BOOT FLASHER EVER". Right on their websites front page. In fact, ITS STILL ****ING THERE.

      Now I did feel the clip was a bonus when i first heard about them delaying it to add it, but i had already pre ordered mine way before the clip was announced. I was ready to solder it to begin with. I bought it for the dual boot functionality because im a developer, and Id also like to play some new games. I had high hopes for this for a long time, and waited almost a month now only to be left disappointed.

      Now if you are not so blatantly retarded, I believe you will probably know that im not the only person who wanted it for that reason. I doubt that not even 1/8th of the people who reserved it, did it for the downgrade functionality. They did it for the dual boot.

      So explain to me how you feel waiting until the last minute to tell people straight up this **** dont dual boot doesnt constitute them trying to fraud people into buying something they wouldnt have bought if they knew the truth before hand. The fact is, they couldnt deliver, and they knew that it would impact their sales. For legal reasons they said it at the last minute to avoid criminal investigation. And guess what, hella people who didnt check their favorite ps3 hack site in the last few days are going to be very disappointed and **** out of luck. Thats a scam. If they wanted to do the respectful thing, they would get ahold of each and everyone of their distributors and do the right thing, and get them to refund all their customers money back. If the customer wants a flasher, he can just order it again. FACT.

    85. lunex
      10-14-2011
      04:19 AM
      85

      [MENTION=202571]Plutonic[/MENTION]
      I agree with you completely. But I guess for people like me who pre-ordered it later (around 20th of september when information about solderless clip poped out) and mainly for downgrade functionality is a good thing because of all that order cancelling we will probably get this flasher earlier ;p

    86. macdude2012
      10-14-2011
      04:22 AM
      86

      yea i feel how everyone feels about the e3 flasher, i too was dissappointed when i found out it would be sold without the dualboot feature, i got my refund back already, i shouldve known it was to good to be true tho, but hey, maybe something else comes out and gets our hopes up again

    87. Sidewinder_2011
      10-14-2011
      04:33 AM
      87

      when they drop the nano part for the flasher i never herd a word from people who preordered . but now it affects you your moaning , e3 team cant win iver way , they made it dual boot witch was part soldering and it worked . to many people complained that they wanted it total solderless so they did that and made the clip , which means it cant dual boot as it not wired to the same points , really you cant complain when you pre order somethink that not even built aprt from the one they are useing when it was partlley solderless . the reaon its droped for now is This is mainly due to the need of manually soldering additional wires. so its its not duel boot from out the box but it possiable be made duel with wire and they said it will be total solderless and duel booting at a later date . they got to work on it as it total diffent to what you people paid for when you pre ordered as it as it was partly solderless then . the flasher it self wont be any diffent it will be connecter to make it deul booting . any way like i said what can u exect when you pre ordered somethink that not even been made apart from the the one they using .

      anyway i still chosse this over progskeet or teeny 1) e3 will be dual boot in time and they will sell the out the box dual booting and people who alrady got it wil be able to make it dual booting once its sorted

      and 2) e3 flasher you dont need a pc to downgrade unlike proskeet and teeny where you have to **** about more . yes the price is higher than them but what do u expert when u get a stat station and stat wires they do cost them money to buy them they dont get it free , so take them of the package and it probbale work out the same price as the progskeet

      i have faith in the e3 team they was the best around with the cloan of usb jailbreak

    88. wakka_wakka
      10-14-2011
      05:04 AM
      88

      The most important thing here is, can you still use the dual boot option if you solder? Or did they remove any of the necessary components from the board?

      EDIT

      I just sent them an e-mail sharing my displease (internet is not all about rage mkay?) with the removal of dual booting and this is what they replied:



      Now, I wonder, how does this work? Is the fw locked to the hdd alone?

    89. Sidewinder_2011
      10-14-2011
      05:24 AM
      89

      Originally Posted by wakka_wakka
      The most important thing here is, can you still use the dual boot option if you solder? Or did they remove any of the necessary components from the board?
      i think if you solder it then possible as the flasher was built partly solderless but then made the clip and lost duel booting the only diffent betterween the flasher before and now are the clip so so i cant see how it couldnt be done if you solder it to the right points from when it was partley solderlesss
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Originally Posted by wakka_wakka
      The most important thing here is, can you still use the dual boot option if you solder? Or did they remove any of the necessary components from the board?

      EDIT

      I just sent them an e-mail sharing my displease (internet is not all about rage mkay?) with the removal of dual booting and this is what they replied:



      Now, I wonder, how does this work? Is the fw locked to the hdd alone?
      edit u could use 1 hhd but that would mean formating every time u swap firmware becuse part of fimware is on the hdd so i have 2 hhd . 1 made with 3,55 fw and 1 hdd made with 3.72 so then you dont have to formate every time other wize you have to sort all you stuff every time u swap fimware eg install games install linux etc

    90. wakka_wakka
      10-14-2011
      05:43 AM
      90

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      ...
      So the E3 Flasher wasn't reduced to only a flasher after all, right? We can still switch between firmwares by only swapping the HDDs, but not through a dual boot interface?

    91. Sidewinder_2011
      10-14-2011
      06:36 AM
      91

      Originally Posted by wakka_wakka
      So the E3 Flasher wasn't reduced to only a flasher after all, right? We can still switch between firmwares by only swapping the HDDs, but not through a dual boot interface?
      you could flash to downgrade to 3.55 and use hdd (1) and when you wanna go 3.72 put in the hdd (2) and update normal via usb stick then when u wanna go cfw just flash back to 3.55 . inthat email says you can duel boot but not fast swap . whcih means at a touch of the button basicly beause it went to clip but they will get it work in fast swap , but at the mo the way above is i think you have to dual boot at the mo

    92. wakka_wakka
      10-14-2011
      06:49 AM
      92

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      you could flash to downgrade to 3.55 and use hdd (1) and when you wanna go 3.72 put in the hdd (2) and update normal via usb stick then when u wanna go cfw just flash back to 3.55 . inthat email says you can duel boot but not fast swap . whcih means at a touch of the button basicly beause it went to clip but they will get it work in fast swap , but at the mo the way above is i think you have to dual boot at the mo
      That explains it. I though it would be more elegant. So how did they promise the dual boot? Secondary NOR chip to avoid rewriting the fw over and over again?

    93. haxxxen
      10-14-2011
      06:56 AM
      93

      my opinion and my assumption on this whole "dual boot" thing is, that sony could put more securities in fw to prevent completely further hdd switching...so i think it gets obsolete sooner or later.

    94. Sidewinder_2011
      10-14-2011
      07:59 AM
      94

      Originally Posted by wakka_wakka
      That explains it. I though it would be more elegant. So how did they promise the dual boot? Secondary NOR chip to avoid rewriting the fw over and over again?
      yes the flasher has got its own nor which we would of used for the other fw but thats was we had to solder it abit. also the soldering was diffent point than what the clip is nowgoing to . . this is thats why the duel boot via e3 flasher nor is not working propley . if no one moaned that it was partley solderling then it would be duel booting now as they wouldnt of sorted the clip out

    95. zeveroth
      10-14-2011
      08:01 AM
      95

      So how the heck does this make sense?

      Q8:Which version PS3 can downgrade and dual boot ?
      We find all FAT console works , most slim console works even include some new slim console which come with 3.56+ original FW. We find 3000X version console can programme correctly but can't downgrade and dual boot, we will do best to work it out and provide to all free.
      Read the sentence that I underlined in bold italics.

      How is that even possible? I was under the impression that no ps3 could be downgraded below whatever it originally came with. So how will they be doing this on those that started at 3.56+?

    96. Sidewinder_2011
      10-14-2011
      08:28 AM
      96

      Originally Posted by zeveroth
      So how the heck does this make sense?



      Read the sentence that I underlined in bold italics.

      How is that even possible? I was under the impression that no ps3 could be downgraded below whatever it originally came with. So how will they be doing this on those that started at 3.56+?
      because some ps3 that was released on 3.56 and 3.60 was not there factory fimware sony updated them from 3.55 so there not on fimware that can have cfw installed then they sold them.

    97. alukado
      10-14-2011
      08:35 AM
      97

      Originally Posted by lunex
      I bought it only for solderless clip, easy installation and of course downgrade functionality so dual-boot doesn't really matter for me. Only thing that matters is waiting forever for shipment....
      Slickdoor.com and Yoyobase.com already get this, you should buy from them.

    98. wakka_wakka
      10-14-2011
      09:03 AM
      98

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      yes the flasher has got its own nor which we would of used for the other fw but thats was we had to solder it abit. also the soldering was diffent point than what the clip is nowgoing to . . this is thats why the duel boot via e3 flasher nor is not working propley . if no one moaned that it was partley solderling then it would be duel booting now as they wouldnt of sorted the clip out
      So this current E3 Flasher still has that NOR chip? Is it still possible to solder some wires and enable the dual boot with this model?

    99. Sidewinder_2011
      10-14-2011
      09:15 AM
      99

      Originally Posted by wakka_wakka
      So this current E3 Flasher still has that NOR chip? Is it still possible to solder some wires and enable the dual boot with this model?
      i would think so becuse all they did is change the wire from partly solderless to fully solderless clip . the e3 flasher is still the same but diffent connected best thing to do is email them to be 100% sure

    100. SandyRavage
      10-14-2011
      09:30 AM
      100

      **** that ****! I cancelled my order. Using the money to purchase an already JB'd PS3.

    101. lunex
      10-14-2011
      10:47 AM
      101

      Originally Posted by alukado
      Slickdoor.com and Yoyobase.com already get this, you should buy from them.
      yeah well... too bad I already paid to lightake ;/ At least they claim to give everyone who pre-ordered free DHL shipping.

    102. wakka_wakka
      10-14-2011
      11:02 AM
      102

      They updated their front page again. They also released an operation manual, but I'm having problems with their English. Still trying to figure out what they really mean with "one key downgrade".

      http://www.e3-tech.net/

      News: 2011-10-14
      We think lots of user mis-understand us, here is some clarification.
      1: E3 FLASHER LIMITED still provide 11 accessory, include esata station.
      2: we design e3 flasher on solder way at first, this way can get dual boot well. But later we change hardware and software design because of adding clip. so finally it's difficult to get dual boot function on e3 flasher clip version.
      3: You still can get 3.72 and 3.55 switch with 2 HDD, it need more steps than dual boot, maybe we can call it half dual boot. This way no need any solder. We will release this half dual boot way in few days, you just upgrade e3 flasher limited and get it work.
      4: We are working hard to allow e3 flasher limited vesion works really dual boot, but we can't promise now because lots of changes.
      5: We upload all neccessory software and manual, you can go here (http://www.e3-tech.net/download.html) to download and enjoy one key downgrade.
      6: New e3 flasher should come out in few month with more fantastic function !

    103. Pirate
      10-14-2011
      11:19 AM
      103

      Got this email from them a bit ago, will edit this into front page post:

      We think lots of user mis-understand us, here is some clarification.
      1: E3 FLASHER LIMITED still provide 11 accessory, include esata station.
      2: we design e3 flasher on solder way at first, this way can get dual boot well. But later we change hardware and software design because of adding clip. so finally it's difficult to get dual boot function on e3 flasher clip version.
      3: You still can get 3.72 and 3.55 switch with 2 HDD, it need more steps than dual boot, maybe we can call it half dual boot. This way no need any solder. We will release this half dual boot way in few days, you just upgrade e3 flasher limited and get it work.
      4: We are working hard to allow e3 flasher limited vesion works really dual boot, but we can't promise now because lots of changes.
      5: We upload all neccessory software and manual, you can go here to download and enjoy one key downgrade.
      6: New e3 flasher should come out in few month with more fantastic function !

    104. wakka_wakka
      10-14-2011
      11:26 AM
      104

      Originally Posted by Pirate
      Got this email from them a bit ago, will edit this into front page post:
      The thing is, they don't quite explain how that "half dual boot" works. I've read their E3 FLASHER Function operation manual.pdf but their English is so broken that I can't be certain of what they're trying to explain in some parts.

      I just don't want to end up with a flasher that might get blocked by a firmware update. They never answered back if it has a second NOR chip, they only told me to check that same news update on their site.

    105. Brett11
      10-14-2011
      11:30 AM
      105

      That's Bs. they are losing customers because of the dual booting thing, now they wanna say it kinda can dual boot. being incompetent is one thing. but giving your customers false hope is another because you can't deliver the real thing

    106. Sidewinder_2011
      10-14-2011
      11:38 AM
      106

      Originally Posted by wakka_wakka
      The thing is, they don't quite explain how that "half dual boot" works. I've read their E3 FLASHER Function operation manual.pdf but their English is so broken that I can't be certain of what they're trying to explain in some parts.

      I just don't want to end up with a flasher that might get blocked by a firmware update. They never answered back if it has a second NOR chip, they only told me to check that same news update on their site.
      i image the half deul boot thing is somethink like this you down grade with flasher to 3.55 and update normal via usb to 3.72 have 1 hhd for 3,55 and 1 for 3.72

      i cant see how a update can block downgrading

    107. pereb27
      10-14-2011
      11:56 AM
      107

      Ugh, if this "half dual boot" thing is what I think it is, don't buy it!
      It probably involves reflashing the NOR everytime you downgrade/upgrade. This will cause the NOR to die prematurely if you do it too many times! Wait a few days until we know more.

    108. Sidewinder_2011
      10-14-2011
      12:31 PM
      108

      Originally Posted by pereb27
      Ugh, if this "half dual boot" thing is what I think it is, don't buy it!
      It probably involves reflashing the NOR everytime you downgrade/upgrade. This will cause the NOR to die prematurely if you do it too many times! Wait a few days until we know more.
      im just getting it to downgrade , it duel boot comes out at a later the proper way then sweet.

    109. Juicepants
      10-14-2011
      12:39 PM
      109

      they really need to hire someone who speaks proper english

    110. Bassflower
      10-14-2011
      01:12 PM
      110

      2 days now and LIGHTAKE.COM is NOT Responding to my Cancel-mails...wrote the third one today....
      Anyone else? :-/

    111. Mystt
      10-14-2011
      01:35 PM
      111

      What I dont' understand is if they are saying its capable of dual-booting using 2 separate HDDs, then why do you need two HDDs? Why not just split the partition for 1 HDD, and force it to read as 2 separate drives? It doesn't make sense to bother with 2 HDDs. And where the hell would you put them inside a slim anyhow? Basically you'd need 1 to be an external drive. Frankly progskeet is better way to go, even if you don't know how to solder; there are tech shops out there you can usually pay to have it solder in for you.

    112. Sidewinder_2011
      10-14-2011
      01:39 PM
      112

      Originally Posted by Mystt
      What I dont' understand is if they are saying its capable of dual-booting using 2 separate HDDs, then why do you need two HDDs? Why not just split the partition for 1 HDD, and force it to read as 2 separate drives? It doesn't make sense to bother with 2 HDDs. And where the hell would you put them inside a slim anyhow? Basically you'd need 1 to be an external drive. Frankly progskeet is better way to go, even if you don't know how to solder; there are tech shops out there you can usually pay to have it solder in for you.
      you cant partion a hdd for the ps3 . as the ps3 reads it and formates it to it own file system no way round that bit , and as for useng to hdd thats what the estat station included in the package is for so u can use 2 hdd drives

    113. Mystt
      10-14-2011
      01:40 PM
      113

      [QUOTE]you cant partion a hdd for the ps3 as the ps3 reads it and formates it to it own file system and as for useing to hdd thats what the estat station included in the package is for so u can use 2 hdd drives

      It was my understanding that progskeet can dual boot off 1 HDD? Is that incorrect then, if using progskeet do you still need 2 HDDs?

    114. Sidewinder_2011
      10-14-2011
      01:46 PM
      114

      [QUOTE=Mystt;263872]

      you cant partion a hdd for the ps3 as the ps3 reads it and formates it to it own file system and as for useing to hdd thats what the estat station included in the package is for so u can use 2 hdd drives

      It was my understanding that progskeet can dual boot off 1 HDD? Is that incorrect then, if using progskeet do you still need 2 HDDs?
      i think it uses one hdd drive but you will have to formate the hdd every time you change fimware so it best to have 2 hdd one for ofw 3.72 and one for 3.55

    115. Mystt
      10-14-2011
      02:02 PM
      115

      i think it uses one hdd drive but you will have to formate the hdd every time you change fimware so it best to have 2 hdd one for ofw 3.72 and one for 3.55
      Thanks, I'll look into it a bit deeper later, right now I not in a hurry for progskeet anyhow; but I do have multiple drives just in-case. Just would suck if that truly is the best way to go. Ty for the advice.

    116. circirman
      10-14-2011
      02:23 PM
      116

      This half dual boot sounds ideal as it will indeed most likely have you re-format the hdd every time you downgrade or upgrade. However, my trust in e3 has now but diminished. Unfortunately I can not trust them again and will patiently await either progsheet or a higher hackable firmware (if it ever happens)

    117. Sidewinder_2011
      10-14-2011
      02:29 PM
      117

      i just look at the new manual and i swear we need a downgrade dongle aswell so we can enter service mode and exit it too , or have i read it wrong ?

    118. wakka_wakka
      10-14-2011
      02:42 PM
      118

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      i just look at the new manual and i swear we need a downgrade dongle aswell so we can enter service mode and exit it too , or have i read it wrong ?
      I don't know, they have a bunch of new files to download. One of them is for a "one key downgrade" and another is for factory service mode.

      http://www.e3-tech.net/download.html

      Christ, I'm running out of time to cancel my pre-order... Now they don't even commit to releasing an actual dual boot version:

      "4: We are working hard to allow e3 flasher limited vesion works really dual boot, but we can't promise now because lots of changes."

    119. Wolfie708
      10-14-2011
      02:48 PM
      119

      Personally I would cancel if dual boot is your main interest as sorry, but in this day and age it is almost impossible for a company that wants potential customers to give such a badly written spec and information as these are, and that is in Any language, not just English. Don't forget, they are a company, not just someone doing a Google translate to sell an old game etc.

    120. Sidewinder_2011
      10-14-2011
      02:50 PM
      120

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Personally I would cancel if dual boot is your main interest as sorry, but in this day and age it is almost impossible for a company that wants potential customers to give such a badly written spec and information as these are, and that is in Any language, not just English. Don't forget, they are a company, not just someone doing a Google translate to sell an old game etc.
      i just want it to downgrade my slim so i can turn it in to a laptop cfw/linux, dont fancy building the laptop out of my cfw fat ps3 i got lol

    121. Wolfie708
      10-14-2011
      02:52 PM
      121

      LOL..... I know mate and in your position I am sure you will be fine, but the ones who have rushed headlong into it for dual boot should wait until it's firmly settled one way or another

    122. Sidewinder_2011
      10-14-2011
      02:56 PM
      122

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      LOL..... I know mate and in your position I am sure you will be fine, but the ones who have rushed headlong into it for dual boot should wait until it's firmly settled one way or another
      very true m8 , i wonder how many of the people who rushed headalong are the ones who bricked there ps3 with Waninkoko v1 cfw cos they rushed lol

    123. wakka_wakka
      10-14-2011
      03:15 PM
      123

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Personally I would cancel if dual boot is your main interest as sorry, but in this day and age it is almost impossible for a company that wants potential customers to give such a badly written spec and information as these are, and that is in Any language, not just English. Don't forget, they are a company, not just someone doing a Google translate to sell an old game etc.
      But if there's actually a way to dual boot, I'd still like to have it, unless it requires me to flash the NOR over and over again, which is an awful idea.

    124. Wolfie708
      10-14-2011
      03:28 PM
      124

      Originally Posted by wakka_wakka
      But if there's actually a way to dual boot, I'd still like to have it, unless it requires me to flash the NOR over and over again, which is an awful idea.
      Most would, but they really are too 'flaky' on the info.

      I'm not saying they are trying to con anyone, but they are certainly not going out of their way to make it plain and obvious what their kit can or cannot do.

      I'd still wait and see what happens

    125. wakka_wakka
      10-14-2011
      03:51 PM
      125

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Most would, but they really are too 'flaky' on the info.

      I'm not saying they are trying to con anyone, but they are certainly not going out of their way to make it plain and obvious what their kit can or cannot do.

      I'd still wait and see what happens
      I'm waiting for their reply. Been quite polite until now, they only took 10 minutes to answer my first email so I don't know why they're taking so much time right now. I'm asking them if I have to reflash the NOR over and over again or not.

    126. Rogerdodger91
      10-14-2011
      04:33 PM
      126

      This is ****ing stupid. Flashing your hard drive to 3.55 and upgrading to 3.72 back and forth is dangerous. If you brick a console, your fine. Flash the *****. If you short the motherboard. Your ****ed. These guys are ridiculous. Replacing a NOR chip with a 50 cent clip and still charging the same price as if its an upgrade is the most retarded thing ive ever seen somebody try to sell.

    127. bear82
      10-14-2011
      04:48 PM
      127

      i cant even get to the e3 website anymore, I get "Bad Request (Invalid Hostname)" That seems suspicious to me.

    128. art789
      10-14-2011
      05:01 PM
      128

      i had send the e3 team an email about how they should just make a downgrader vs an all in one flasher for people who didnt want the dual booting capabilities becuz they had a second ps3 they could hack, like me, they said they would do this later, but it seems that it has come sooner, so shouldnt it cost LESS cuz it doesnt have the dual booting feature? given, i know they said you COULD dual boot like a HALF DUAL BOOT but wtf? im going to email them and ask them to give me a lesser price cuz i just wanna downgrade and then use the cobra dongle cuz that firmware they use is the best

    129. lionsfan420
      10-14-2011
      05:37 PM
      129

      Got my email today for my canceled order, I really dont care at this point if I get banned or not but **** E3!!!

    130. cboushell
      10-14-2011
      06:46 PM
      130

      I don't know why they don't just offer the original version with the ribbon cable that had the soldering points punched out along with this version. They obviously had the ribbon cable with the soldering points in some sort of production, with that the dual boot was functional, and I'm sure appealed to a larger and therefore more profitable market. I'm no great solderer but the thing looked like it wouldnt be to hard and if it seemed to be, I'd pay someone to do it for me. Just my 2 cents, rather it be my $90 bucks for the device.

    131. Pirate
      10-14-2011
      09:36 PM
      131

      Originally Posted by wakka_wakka
      The thing is, they don't quite explain how that "half dual boot" works. I've read their E3 FLASHER Function operation manual.pdf but their English is so broken that I can't be certain of what they're trying to explain in some parts.

      I just don't want to end up with a flasher that might get blocked by a firmware update. They never answered back if it has a second NOR chip, they only told me to check that same news update on their site.
      They read this forum, so I am sure they will answer it in a future statement.

    132. KillerBug
      10-14-2011
      11:05 PM
      132

      Nice to know that they actually respond...I hope people who pre-ordered will get the dual-boot "upgrade" for free since they already paid for it.

      Anyone else think it is odd that they on the 14th they said they will begin shipping on the 13th?

    133. Plutonic
      10-15-2011
      12:58 AM
      133

      Originally Posted by Rogerdodger91
      It is to a scam. In fact its such a scam that Im having a hard time believing you are actually justifying their actions. First, they hyped up their product as being the "FIRST DUAL BOOT FLASHER EVER". Right on their websites front page.
      This hardware is obviously not easy to make. Last minute decisions like this (clip vs dual boot) are common. They couldn't have made a huge poll and asked "Hey. of all of you who pre-ordered, who wants dual boot and who wants clip"?.

      It's like getting the beta of a game; you're guranteed NOTHING that's in there.

      Originally Posted by Rogerdodger91
      In fact, ITS STILL ****ING THERE. .
      In that I agree with you. They often seem quite incoherent and, not to sound racist as I am not and I'm sorry if I insult anyone, but I asked my friend if he thought they "speak English with their Asian mark, even in writing" and he agreed. And the site isn't really reliable.

      Originally Posted by Rogerdodger91
      Now I did feel the clip was a bonus when i first heard about them delaying it to add it, but i had already pre ordered mine way before the clip was announced. I was ready to solder it to begin with. I bought it for the dual boot functionality because im a developer, and Id also like to play some new games. I had high hopes for this for a long time, and waited almost a month now only to be left disappointed.
      Seriously, I am NOT trying to be an ass; but you're going to have to deal with it. Don't want it because no dual boot? Cancel pre-order. Can't? You were scammed, but not by the manufacturer

      Originally Posted by Rogerdodger91
      Now if you are not so blatantly retarded,
      No need for ad hominems, I'm just expressing my opinion; calm down.

      Originally Posted by Rogerdodger91
      I believe you will probably know that im not the only person who wanted it for that reason. I doubt that not even 1/8th of the people who reserved it, did it for the downgrade functionality. They did it for the dual boot.
      Of course I do know that. I was going to pre-order it because no solder+ dual boot. But I recognized how cheesy the site seemed and the fact that pre ordering hardware like this is always a risk; even with trusted companies. Reason mentioned before.

      Originally Posted by Rogerdodger91
      So explain to me how you feel waiting until the last minute to tell people straight up this **** dont dual boot doesnt constitute them trying to fraud people into buying something they wouldnt have bought if they knew the truth before hand.
      How do you know they didn't "figure this out" at the 'last minute'? Were you there? Nor was I. Now, say you are right and they knew this before, then yes, it's a scam

      Originally Posted by Rogerdodger91
      The fact is, they couldnt deliver, and they knew that it would impact their sales. For legal reasons they said it at the last minute to avoid criminal investigation. And guess what, hella people who didnt check their favorite ps3 hack site in the last few days are going to be very disappointed and **** out of luck. Thats a scam. If they wanted to do the respectful thing, they would get ahold of each and everyone of their distributors and do the right thing, and get them to refund all their customers money back. If the customer wants a flasher, he can just order it again. FACT.
      If people don't look for info whenever they can on hardware like this, from a manufacturer like this, in a pre order, they are ignorant IMO. They are asking for it. Sure, it's still a scam (again, if you are right and they didn't find out at the last minute), but it's not their job to sell it to us, it's their job to sell it to the sites like modchipcentral.

      I won't post any more on this regard; as I will not change your opinion and vice versa and this will just create a flamewar. I hope you can get your money back, I really do; and that you can find some way to dual boot in the future.

    134. wakka_wakka
      10-15-2011
      06:14 AM
      134

      Originally Posted by KillerBug
      Nice to know that they actually respond...I hope people who pre-ordered will get the dual-boot "upgrade" for free since they already paid for it.

      Anyone else think it is odd that they on the 14th they said they will begin shipping on the 13th?
      This is what they say on their site:
      3: (...) We will release this half dual boot way in few days, you just upgrade e3 flasher limited and get it work.
      4: We are working hard to allow e3 flasher limited vesion works really dual boot, but we can't promise now because lots of changes.
      6: New e3 flasher should come out in few month with more fantastic function !

      And this is what I got from Lightake:
      "The official has told us they can upgrade the E3 flasher as "dual-boot" in a few days.

      If you accept the item, we will send you the upgrade software once we get"

      From what I understand, they will release the instructions and software to do that half dual boot with this current board, there's no confirmation that they will send out an upgraded board to everyone who pre-ordered. Hell, they already said they're going to make a new one with some soldering required.

      "We will develop a new flasher to add those function with few wire solder."

    135. arnes_king
      10-15-2011
      08:28 AM
      135

      Originally Posted by Pirate
      5: We upload all neccessory software and manual, you can go here to download and enjoy one key downgrade.

      Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/index.php#ixzz1arBUyqBr


      Does that mean that with the files that they upload we can downgrade or am i missing something ?

    136. Sidewinder_2011
      10-15-2011
      08:44 AM
      136

      Originally Posted by arnes_king
      Does that mean that with the files that they upload we can downgrade or am i missing something ?
      yeah thats right but the thing your missing is e3 flasher witch hasnt been released yet

    137. wakka_wakka
      10-15-2011
      01:33 PM
      137

      Just got word that we need to reflash every single time to use this half dual boot thing.

    138. RafeDonson
      10-15-2011
      02:26 PM
      138

      Originally Posted by wakka_wakka
      This is what they say on their site:
      And this is what I got from Lightake:
      "The official has told us they can upgrade the E3 flasher as "dual-boot" in a few days.

      If you accept the item, we will send you the upgrade software once we get"
      I'm getting deja vu here. Remember the PS3 Break that was trumpeted as being upgradeable but wasn't? Lighttake parroted the same thing, even after it was clear the initial range weren't.

    139. ozzy1925
      10-15-2011
      05:40 PM
      139

      i hope they now release a new version that also works for cech-3004

    140. Rogerdodger91
      10-15-2011
      06:42 PM
      140

      Let me explain why I personally felt scammed. And yes i did get my money back. Well im still waiting for my money to be credited back to my account. *Only god knows when*.

      I feel scammed because the e3 team obviously chose which market they wanted to appeal to. They were obviously willing to remove the dual boot function so they can appeal to the people who shouldnt be opening up their consoles in the first place. They know that more people will buy an e3 flasher this way. More people will buy this because they need to downgrade a new ps3.

      The thing that really gets me is that they still have the damn NOR flash drive ON the mod.

      It seems to me they sold a broken promise. In fact, if you compare the old mod, to the new mod. They look EXACTLY the same. The only difference is the softboard. They couldnt deliver, and they scammed everyone. Simple as that. There is no telling if a new flash will come out. And if it does, everyone who bought the first one should get the new one for free.

      new flasher

      http://www.ps3crunch.net/forum/attac...4&d=1317408008

      old flasher

      http://www.fyygame.com/media/descrip...ic/di-FMH2.jpg

      Sounds like some people owed some crazy chinese loan sharks some money and they couldnt delay anymore if you ask me.

    141. WalangAlam
      10-16-2011
      07:39 AM
      141

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      i just look at the new manual and i swear we need a downgrade dongle aswell so we can enter service mode and exit it too , or have i read it wrong ?
      really? where will i get this downgrade dongle? I thought its an all-in downgrade tool with a touch of a button or two

    142. Sidewinder_2011
      10-16-2011
      07:57 AM
      142

      Originally Posted by WalangAlam
      really? where will i get this downgrade dongle? I thought its an all-in downgrade tool with a touch of a button or two
      yeah look at the manual . i thought that too m8 but from the manual it looks like we need a dongle to get in and out of service mode . i used to have golden avr dongle butlost it lol . the cheapest one i know is called e3 reader lol

    143. wakka_wakka
      10-16-2011
      08:05 AM
      143

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      yeah look at the manual . i thought that too m8 but from the manual it looks like we need a dongle to get in and out of service mode . i used to have golden avr dongle butlost it lol . the cheapest one i know is called e3 reader lol
      Won't any usb pen do the trick? If I'm not mistaken, they released a bunch of files for that:

      E3 FLASHER LIMITED upgrade file download:
      2011-10-14 e3 flasher limited upgrade file download
      http://www.e3-tech.net/download/2011...%20upgrade.rar


      E3 FLASHER LIMITED software download:
      E3_downgrade file copy to TF(for one key downgrade)
      http://www.e3-tech.net/download/e3downgrade.rar

      File for enter and exit factory service mode
      http://www.mediafire.com/?5iig15nicf38cph

    144. Sidewinder_2011
      10-16-2011
      08:08 AM
      144

      the files for sevice mode are for a normal usb but to get in to sevice mode you need a downgrade dongle too

    145. wakka_wakka
      10-16-2011
      08:29 AM
      145

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      the files for sevice mode are for a normal usb but to get in to sevice mode you need a downgrade dongle too
      But the e3 card is useless for fw 3.55 and above...

    146. Sidewinder_2011
      10-16-2011
      08:31 AM
      146

      Originally Posted by wakka_wakka
      But the e3 card is useless for fw 3.55 and above...
      nah its useless for 3.56 and above

    147. WalangAlam
      10-16-2011
      06:57 PM
      147

      yeah once you downgraded to 3.55 then you can use a dongle to get out of service mode. Nope I won't buy another e3 dongle product...

    148. Sidewinder_2011
      10-16-2011
      07:17 PM
      148

      Originally Posted by WalangAlam
      yeah once you downgraded to 3.55 then you can use a dongle to get out of service mode. Nope I won't buy another e3 dongle product...
      looks like i gotta find my golden avr if not then i have to buy another if they still sell them

    149. phantomdibb
      10-16-2011
      10:44 PM
      149

      You can pick up a clone for cheap. Might be extremely cheap by now, I bought an matrix something or other dongle for £4 when 3.4X was all the rage and required a dongle so they got to be really cheap now. Also never had any problems with it so was a good buy.

    150. just_idle
      10-17-2011
      12:23 AM
      150

      i wonder where all of you get the information for extra downgrade dongle?
      nothing says about it and these bin hex files are a way too big for dongles, aren't they?

      this big downgrade file is a mfw that you can flash to without having any problems like this rogero mfw.
      i think it has specific syscon checks or alike disabled.

      themself said their flasher is upgradeable/flashable so it's just like with the old dongles.

    151. wakka_wakka
      10-17-2011
      02:59 AM
      151

      Originally Posted by just_idle
      i wonder where all of you get the information for extra downgrade dongle?
      nothing says about it and these bin hex files are a way too big for dongles, aren't they?

      this big downgrade file is a mfw that you can flash to without having any problems like this rogero mfw.
      i think it has specific syscon checks or alike disabled.

      themself said their flasher is upgradeable/flashable so it's just like with the old dongles.
      They've said a lot of things and will only know when this thing is released and someone reviews it. As soon as I was told that I would need to reflash every single time for this "half dual boot", I canceled my preorder.

      I want the proper dual boot, and since I've only began soldering a few weeks ago, I prefer having to solder a few wires with instructions than try to attempt making a dual NOR switch with a ProgSkeet and break my console.

    152. haxxxen
      10-17-2011
      03:03 AM
      152

      sooner or later sony patches fw to remove hdd upgrading/switching and only build bigger bundles.

      is that what you all want???

      the main intention of these flashers IS and WILL be safety, so you can restore/rescue your machine
      and not this whole ****** dual boot ****. sorry, my opinion.

      edit
      it would be awesome to have a multi bootloader on startup to select fws from different places like usb/hdd0.

    153. yourgrandma
      10-17-2011
      03:51 AM
      153

      Dual boot would be best option for all ps3 gamers. Except the cheaters/pirates of course who like to ruin it for everyone. I hope CFW users never regain PSN access and a easy dual boot flasher or softmod is released.

      Sony will do everything in their power to keep cfw users off psn. They failed to keep the psp secure but not with out a fight. The psp scene also moved at a much quicker pace and exploits were kept silent until the right moment. I doubt sony they will let it happen with their flagship console.

    154. Sidewinder_2011
      10-17-2011
      04:02 AM
      154

      Originally Posted by just_idle
      i wonder where all of you get the information for extra downgrade dongle?
      nothing says about it and these bin hex files are a way too big for dongles, aren't they?

      this big downgrade file is a mfw that you can flash to without having any problems like this rogero mfw.
      i think it has specific syscon checks or alike disabled.

      themself said their flasher is upgradeable/flashable so it's just like with the old dongles.
      if you look in the manual on how to use the e3 flasher somepoint it says use your jailbreak doungle in to usb drive nearest to the br drive to put ps3 in sevice mode and also u need it to get out of sevice mode

    155. haxxxen
      10-17-2011
      08:23 AM
      155

      nevermind....

    156. ldh888
      10-17-2011
      04:10 PM
      156

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      if you look in the manual on how to use the e3 flasher somepoint it says use your jailbreak doungle in to usb drive nearest to the br drive to put ps3 in sevice mode and also u need it to get out of sevice mode
      Still need a dongle, my friend just got an e3 and test with it now.
      but heard someone already bricked his console with e3 flasher... because when he downgrade from 3.7x and he upgrade again with 3.55kw and now bricked..

    157. Sidewinder_2011
      10-17-2011
      04:18 PM
      157

      Originally Posted by ldh888
      Still need a dongle, my friend just got an e3 and test with it now.
      but heard someone already bricked his console with e3 flasher... because when he downgrade from 3.7x and he upgrade again with 3.55kw and now bricked..
      did he get his e3 flasher today ? i thought it was best to install a special cfw like rogero cfw v2 for downgrading from 3.72
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      just looked on there site and its says


      News: 2011-10-18
      We renew two file to fix game problem after downgrade to 3.55 .Please note don't install any other 3.55FW after downgrade to 3.55, otherwise will have brick risk ! Click here to download the E3_downgrade file copy to TF(for one key downgrade)V1.2 and Enter and exit factory service mode file V1.2

    158. WalangAlam
      10-17-2011
      05:12 PM
      158

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      News: 2011-10-18
      We renew two file to fix game problem after downgrade to 3.55 .Please note don't install any other 3.55FW after downgrade to 3.55, otherwise will have brick risk ! Click here to download the E3_downgrade file copy to TF(for one key downgrade)V1.2 and Enter and exit factory service mode file V1.2
      If we brick, we can always flash our original nand to recover from brick right?

    159. Sidewinder_2011
      10-17-2011
      05:21 PM
      159

      Originally Posted by WalangAlam
      If we brick, we can always flash our original nand to recover from brick right?
      yeah cos you make a back up of yours before you flash
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Originally Posted by peterliu78
      Dual boot would be best option for all ps3 gamers. Except the cheaters/pirates of course who like to ruin it for everyone. I hope CFW users never regain PSN access and a easy dual boot flasher or softmod is released.
      there be cheater with or with out dual boot it wont make any diffence 1) cfw on deul boot still wont have acess to the psn and 2) you cant do a data transver to the same ps3 so people thats got 1 ps3 on deul boot wont be able to put mods on to online games , u still need a 2nd ps3 for that

    160. sentosa
      10-19-2011
      12:00 PM
      160

      Just got emailed from them that 1 e3 flasher only can work for 1 console .

    161. robh
      10-19-2011
      05:44 PM
      161

      Originally Posted by sentosa
      Just got emailed from them that 1 e3 flasher only can work for 1 console .
      so you will need 1 flasher for each console??? I wanted it to fix several consoles...this really is getting worse.

    162. Untitled
      10-20-2011
      12:13 PM
      162

      Please note after downgrade to 3.55, this 3.55 is a special CFW3.55
      Does anyone knows if this is kmeaw cfw? If it is then it's going to be great if you have the jailbreak2 dongle to play 3.6x games