• CobraUSB dongle makers have integrated the most popular backup manager into their firmware: multiMAN, along with a few other updates.


    - Added MultiMan for Cobra in the download section.
    - Support for games with split files.
    - Bugfix: special keys of bdremote weren’t working in showtime.

    Multiman for Cobra changelog:

    * Full ISO and CUE+BIN support (incl. create ISO from folder)
    * Full Cobra support (PSX, PS2, PSP, PS3, ISO, BIN, CUE, BDM, DVD)
    * PSP UMD game support when PSP connected in USB+UMD mode
    * Support for *.0/.31, *.001/.032, *.66600/.66631 split file formats
    * Join split files in file manager (select and copy the first file to get the rest joined)
    * Mount ISO files in File Manager (to browse/copy contents)
    * New display mode “XBDM” - XBOX Dash Clone
    * Support for games with split big files (from external hdd)
    * BD/DVD Region options in SETTINGS column
    * Support for PS2 game covers (OPL format, i.e. SLES_123.45_COV.JPG) in /covers_retro/psx (over 2000 covers included)
    * Integrated Dongle Updater (in mmCM XMMB column)
    * Option to turn on blue/green dongle leds or turn them off completely
    * Integrated PSX, PS2 and PSP database for names and IDs (over 13000 entries) (for PSX/PS2 discs and PSP ISO/UMD files)

    For those reading the threads previous comments, there was a initial confusion on the update as CobraUSB labeled the release of multiMAN as version 3.00, and many people felt that this was an insult to multiMAN. However, our favorite dev deank has came out and posted about the matter here:

    So much accusations, blaming and calling names. I just managed to read all of that and don’t see the point.

    I’m actually glad that for the first time I see a clone/fork of multiMAN which has things and features ADDED. I’ve witnessed 4 or 5 releases of multiMAN, compiled by various users or sites, castrated and barely recognizable, renamed and published as ‘original work’ (there was no drama there, right?!), but this time some users get a better version, although limited to cobra dongle users. As I see it, the new stuff in mmCM is about cobra and it is nice that someone picked up on the ‘garbage source-code’ (as many qualified it numerous times few months ago), and managed to add useful features to it.

    I don’t care who uses mm’s source, so just stop the drama. The license says ‘you can do whatever you want with it’ and it doesn’t require that you include the modified source or anything. Check your English skills and re-read it. It requires that the redistributed package/version includes the license and it does - there is a ./usrdir/sys/LICENSE file in their distribution.

    As I see it - cobra usb users got a new option and that’s good - I like that now they can enjoy a multiMAN clone. Actually I feel kind of good that mm will reach more people. As for the mm 02.09.02 being the latest (not last) multiMAN version - well if I find something new to add - I’ll add it. I spent a year adding stuff and features and it looks good to me as it is now. If I find time - I’ll add more. If you find time to add something useful - add it - the source was there for 7 months and no one cared about that.

    D

    A lil’ bit of love n’ appreciation is what we all need in the scene :)

    Download Cobra USB Firmware v4.2
    Download multiMAN v3.00.00 FULL for Cobra USB

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  • 155 Comments

    1. alienkid
      11-26-2011
      07:06 PM
      1

      That's Awesome!

    2. gregory2590
      11-26-2011
      07:12 PM
      2

      Wow, what a ninja update.

    3. Pirate
      11-26-2011
      07:15 PM
      3

      I don't know if this is deank's release? He seems to be on break from multiMAN for last several weeks, and I would imagine he would post an update on the forums before working on this. It could be that Cobra people are just using the multiMANs source to make it compatible and calling it v3.0

    4. Lethal_NFS
      11-26-2011
      07:21 PM
      4

      I agree with Pirate. I do not see how Dean would not post anything about this on the forum.

    5. hackboiz29
      11-26-2011
      07:24 PM
      5

      ^Agreed it was kinda outta the blue.

    6. Pockets69
      11-26-2011
      07:27 PM
      6

      exactly... don't know if dean will be happy with this... lets wait for his reaction first though...

    7. ps3tricks
      11-26-2011
      07:28 PM
      7

      this is awesome news,but i don't like where this is going with MM,maybe he now works only for Cobra Dongle? I really hope not,but oh well if he does work

      anyway its strange to see after some time update for MM again,just like old good times :D

    8. Rautz
      11-26-2011
      07:35 PM
      8

      ^^^ Lets not jump to conclusions. The last thing Dean needs is people jumping the gun and talking crap about him(which is where the accusations will lead, I'm not saying you're talking crap about him). Another pissed off PS3 dev is not what this community needs. Until we hear from the man himself, to me this just seems like the Cobra team has made there own(nice) mods to MM and named it 3.0.

    9. raiderscrusade
      11-26-2011
      07:36 PM
      9

      If this is Deans release, isn't it possible that he could add options so the Cobra Dongle is no longer necessary?

    10. Cage
      11-26-2011
      07:40 PM
      10

      From IRC:

      [Abkarino] deank had joind cobra team?
      [flash67] LOL
      [TehRuler] YEP
      [TehRuler] LOL
      [eussNL] Cobra ~=~ TrueBlue
      [eussNL] so if it supports the replaced sub_28fe30 and new section 0x80000000007f0000 that Cobra uses, it means Trueblue support is around the corner...
      [flash67] exactly


      ...not sure how I feel about this.

    11. Fl3th3r
      11-26-2011
      07:41 PM
      11

      Originally Posted by raiderscrusade
      isn't it possible that he could add options so the Cobra Dongle is no longer necessary?
      why would Cobra team tell anyone about it?

    12. hackboiz29
      11-26-2011
      07:42 PM
      12

      ^I saw that....I thought they were jokin around.

    13. ps3tricks
      11-26-2011
      07:47 PM
      13

      Originally Posted by Rautz
      ^^^ Lets not jump to conclusions. The last thing Dean needs is people jumping the gun and talking crap about him(which is where the accusations will lead, I'm not saying you're talking crap about him). Another pissed off PS3 dev is not what this community needs. Until we hear from the man himself, to me this just seems like the Cobra team has made there own(nice) mods to MM and named it 3.0.
      Of course not,we have high respect for him,but strange thing is that new version is called v03.00.00 since last free public version was 2.09.02?..if Cobra useing they own build why they name it v03.00.00 and not 01.00.00 or something..? Something is going on ;/

      I hope he releases v3 also for public but of course without cobra features

    14. TizzyT
      11-26-2011
      07:53 PM
      14

      Cobra using a free open source application and making profit from it??? if so then it disgusts me to no end....

    15. mcmrc1
      11-26-2011
      07:56 PM
      15

      don�t like this.....

    16. ps3tricks
      11-26-2011
      08:02 PM
      16

      OMG its true

      deank is really with cobra now

      SOURCE

    17. Rautz
      11-26-2011
      08:05 PM
      17

      Originally Posted by ps3tricks
      Of course not,we have high respect for him,but strange thing is that new version is called 3.0 since last free public version was 2.09.02?..if Cobra useing they own build why they name it 3.0 and not 1.0 or something..?
      Oops I read your post again(after drinking some wake up juice) and noticed it's more of a simple question than an accusation

      As to the 3.0 naming thing, it could be a marketing ploy to help strengthen sales, maybe sales were starting to dwindle??

      Of course I could be totally wrong.

      EDIT now I'm confused lol... need more wake up juice

    18. Cage
      11-26-2011
      08:05 PM
      18



      Was nice while it lasted.

    19. GregoryRasputin
      11-26-2011
      08:07 PM
      19

      deank has NOTHING to do with this:

      Tortuga-Cove is happy to finally announce the release of multiMAN Cobra Manager Edition (mmCM for short). A developer for Team Cobra, who has been locked away in our dungeons for quite some time now and has been working madly away like Pinky and the Brain. Today after slapping moogie repeatedly with a large trout Team Cobra in conjunction with their CobraUSB Update v4.20 have released the first edition of mmCM.

    20. Dominic1800
      11-26-2011
      08:09 PM
      20

      yea it sure seems to me that cobra just took the source code(like pirate said) of mm and made it work for the cobra usb.......its nice for cobra since they can enjoy one of the best homebrew applicatios out, but hope this doesn't piss off dean since cobra team is using his work to improve their usb dongle. kinda like a radio station uses an artist song to improve their ratings........

    21. mcmrc1
      11-26-2011
      08:10 PM
      21

      when they stole MM from Deank i hope Deank steal their Cobra Dongle and include it in his MM !!!!!!!!!

    22. GregoryRasputin
      11-26-2011
      08:12 PM
      22

      [MENTION=148367]mcmrc1[/MENTION] deank released the source code, so no one stole it from him.

    23. mcmrc1
      11-26-2011
      08:13 PM
      23

      oh ok i didn�t know this thx for the info...

    24. VIRGIN KLM
      11-26-2011
      08:15 PM
      24

      The source is copyrighted under GNU licence right?
      GNU determines that you CANNOT in ANY WAY use it for commercial purpose...
      They're going to have some issues...
      Dean, you need to return urgently and sue those guys...

    25. Cheesethief
      11-26-2011
      08:15 PM
      25

      Maybe Deank helped make it, but that does not mean he is part of their team. Until he himself says that he has joined up with them, I will take the rumors with a big grain of salt.

      I would find it very odd that he left us all behind. Considering that Multiman is opensource, Cobra probably took it and adapted it to their dongle's features.

      GNU/GPL does allow for commercial purposes if I remember correctly.

    26. Cage
      11-26-2011
      08:16 PM
      26

      moogie?

      I thought moogie left the PS3 scene for good.

    27. Zara
      11-26-2011
      08:18 PM
      27

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      [MENTION=148367]mcmrc1[/MENTION] deank released the source code, so no one stole it from him.
      That's true but can you actually take somebody else's free software and include it in your own for which you charge money? That doesn't seem right.

      BTW, this says a lot about MultiMan's quality and usability.

    28. Cheesethief
      11-26-2011
      08:20 PM
      28

      Originally Posted by Zara
      That's true but can you actually take somebody else's free software and include it in your own for which you charge money? That doesn't seem right.

      BTW, this says a lot about MultiMan's quality and usability.
      MM is free, it is the Dongle that isn't.

    29. dsadsadsa
      11-26-2011
      08:20 PM
      29

      To anyone who supported Cobra: now is the time to feel bad about yourself for supporting these leeches, who are just as bad as True Blue.

    30. kgb_
      11-26-2011
      08:22 PM
      30

      Dont know if this is against multiMAN user binding agreement/Open Source license

      Application for PS3� content management.

      multiMAN (referred hereafter as "SOFTWARE"), its authors, partners, and associates (collectively "ASSOCIATES") do not condone piracy. This SOFTWARE is an open project, distributed in the hope that it will be useful, while all ASSOCIATES expressly disclaim any implied warranty of merchantability, WARRANTY OF FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE and WARRANTY OF NON-INFRINGEMENT.

      The SOFTWARE shall be used for educational and testing purposes only, and while it may allow the user to create test copies of legitimately acquired and/or owned content, it is required that such user actions shall comply with local, federal and country legislation.

      Furthermore, the ASSOCIATES shall assume NO responsibility, legal or otherwise implied, for any misuse of, or for any loss that may occur while using the SOFTWARE.

      You are solely responsible for complying with the applicable laws in your country and you must cease using this software should your actions during multiMAN operation lead to or may lead to infringement or violation of the rights of the respective content copyright owners.

      This SOFTWARE is not licensed, approved or endorsed by "Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc." (SCEI), SNEI, SEN or any other party.

      September 15th, 2011

    31. VIRGIN KLM
      11-26-2011
      08:22 PM
      31

      Originally Posted by Zara
      That's true but can you actually take somebody else's free software and include it in your own for which you charge money? That doesn't seem right.

      BTW, this says a lot about MultiMan's quality and usability.
      It's not that it doesn't seems right, it's illegal.
      They can't use a source code registered under GNU public licence without authorization and profit from it.
      Also:

      * New display mode "XBDM" - XBOX Dash Clone


      Are they really able to implement that, it sounds like something deank could/would do very roughly guessing from his last update on the project...

      I'M ACTUALLY MAD BECAUSE SOME F*CKERS AFTER CALL PS3 SCENERS DRAMA QUEENS, SO DO THEY HAVE A DESCRIPTION FOR THIS, HOW DO THEY CALL THEMSELFS? THERE ARE DEVELOPERS THAT GET MAD WHEN THEIR WORK GETS STOLLEN AND THEY BLAME SCENERS FOR THEMSELFS BEING RETARDED. THIS HAS TO STOP, IF YOU DON'T LIKE PS3 SCENE LEAVE EVERYBODY ALONE OR QUIT LIFE, YOU'LL MAKE MANY PEOPLE HAPPY.

    32. Zara
      11-26-2011
      08:26 PM
      32

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      MM is free, it is the Dongle that isn't.
      Yes, MM is free. Cobra (which needs the dongle and the CFW to work, right?) is a product that's not free. I don't know if you can download the CFW for free or not but it's irrelevant. To use the features, you need to pay money. CFW needs the dongle, dongle needs the CFW so you're pretty much paying for both to provide you with a certain service. Once MM becomes a part of that CFW, it obviously stops being free because YOU CAN'T USE IT WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT (amongst other things, ofcourse).

    33. Cheesethief
      11-26-2011
      08:29 PM
      33

      Originally Posted by dsadsadsa
      To anyone who supported Cobra: now is the time to feel bad about yourself for supporting these leeches, who are just as bad as True Blue.
      This dongle isn't like TB. Unlike TB, this dongle adds features that are not for pirating games. It adds a whole lot more than TB. PS2 playback in non-ps2 capable consoles (to a degree), playing back ups of PS2 games, and playing PSP games on the PS3.

      Cobra is not selling a dongle that only allows pirating games.

      Originally Posted by Zara
      Yes, MM is free. Cobra (which needs the dongle and the CFW to work, right?) is a product that's not free. I don't know if you can download the CFW for free or not but it's irrelevant. To use the features, you need to pay money. CFW needs the dongle, dongle needs the CFW so you're pretty much paying for both to provide you with a certain service. Once MM becomes a part of that CFW, it obviously stops being free because YOU CAN'T USE IT WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT (amongst other things, ofcourse).
      Windows is not free either yet a lot of opensource programs are available for it. Your point is moot.

      The program itself is under GNU. With that said though, they have to provide source and a changelog I believe.

    34. Zara
      11-26-2011
      08:32 PM
      34

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      This dongle isn't like TB. Unlike TB, this dongle adds features that are not for pirating games. It adds a whole lot more than TB. PS2 playback in non-ps2 capable consoles (to a degree), playing back ups of PS2 games, and playing PSP games on the PS3.
      Did you notice that after saying "this dongle adds features that are not for pirating games" the only features you mentioned are actually for pirating games? The difference between Cobra and TrueBlue is really not that big when you think about it.

    35. GregoryRasputin
      11-26-2011
      08:33 PM
      35

      [IMG]http://*******/tfbB7l[/IMG]

    36. VIRGIN KLM
      11-26-2011
      08:35 PM
      36

      Originally Posted by Zara
      Did you notice that after saying "this dongle adds features that are not for pirating games" the only features you mentioned are actually for pirating games? The difference between Cobra and TrueBlue is really not that big when you think about it.
      Wrong, you can still play games you own from each console, it just leaves you with flexibility of your choice between pirating or not pirating.
      TB is all about pirating, nothing else.
      Also somebody for Deank's sake frontpage that thing.

    37. GregoryRasputin
      11-26-2011
      08:37 PM
      37

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      Windows is not free either yet a lot of opensource programs are available for it. Your point is moot.
      His point is far from moot, i know you are a huge fan of Cobra, but do not let that blind you are cloud your comon sense.

      You CANNOT use this version of mM WITHOUT the dongle.

      If you want this better version of mM you MUST buy the dongle.

      Therefore using this new version of mM, gives a better selling advantage for the dongle, so everything that [MENTION=188983]Zara[/MENTION] said is correct
      .

    38. VIRGIN KLM
      11-26-2011
      08:41 PM
      38

      It's about time for a supposed good developer that respects fellow developers to stand up and hack immediatelly that dongle, then maybe we can rethink if his beliefs etc were all that real as he said...

    39. Zara
      11-26-2011
      08:42 PM
      39

      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      Wrong, you can still play games you own from each console, it just leaves you with flexibility of your choice between pirating or not pirating.
      TB is all about pirating, nothing else.
      Also somebody for Deank's sake frontpage that thing.
      I don't have the dongle so I don't know how it works, if it reads and runs original PS1/PS2 discs then I guess it's okay but still, doesn't it run games in ISO format or something like that? And even if you need ORIGINAL PS1/PS2 discs to use the backward compatibility, what about PSP since there's no way PS3 can read UMD discs?

      Cobra charges for backward compatibility, TB charges for "forward" compatibility. In both cases, the choice between pirating or not pirating is yours and ONLY yours so, as I said, the difference between the two dongles is not that big.

    40. VIRGIN KLM
      11-26-2011
      08:45 PM
      40

      Originally Posted by Zara
      I don't have the dongle so I don't know how it works, if it reads and runs original PS1/PS2 discs then I guess it's okay but still, doesn't it run games in ISO format or something like that? And even if you need ORIGINAL PS1/PS2 discs to use the backward compatibility, what about PSP since there's no way PS3 can read UMD discs?
      Fail, lol, did you take the time to read the changelog or you just went on and posted out of randomness?
      Also if you were unable to dump your own ISOs from your UMDs how would the whole internet be filled with ISOs, you don't make sense...

    41. Cheesethief
      11-26-2011
      08:46 PM
      41

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      His point is far from moot, i know you are a huge fan of Cobra, but do not let that blind you are cloud your comon sense.

      You CANNOT use this version of mM WITHOUT the dongle.

      If you want this better version of mM you MUST buy the dongle.

      Therefore using this new version of mM, gives a better selling advantage for the dongle, so everything that [MENTION=188983]Zara[/MENTION] said is correct
      .
      His point is moot in that it is an opensource program. Being opensource, it can be edited by anyone (they cannot make it closed source, but they can edit it and add features, but most of what was added was really support for the dongle which is the thing that houses said added features). I do not have a cobra dongle, nor will I ever buy one unless it gets an unbelievable ultra feature of some kind. I have a PSP and a PS2. I was just saying that Cobra offer more than TB and that TB was made to profit from piracy, a point I find unsavory.

      A price is not being charged for the program, it is free, the only area I see that it might have a problem is if they did not provide the source code for it, which would make it illegal according to the licenses it is under.

    42. ps3tricks
      11-26-2011
      08:47 PM
      42

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      This dongle isn't like TB. Unlike TB, this dongle adds features that are not for pirating games. It adds a whole lot more than TB. PS2 playback in non-ps2 capable consoles (to a degree), playing back ups of PS2 games, and playing PSP games on the PS3.

      Cobra is not selling a dongle that only allows pirating games.
      I agree with what you said!

      But then Cobra has just added more features to enjoy in piracy,like playing psp iso and ps2 iso ,psx iso,bin cue,same **** with more features.

      a bit offtopic sorry

      From what i have heard (Big rumor) TB v3.0 update is in work,when they release it,it will surpass Cobra features.What are the features i really don't know,i personally don't care much abouth both now.

      anyway we will know soon if DeanK has joined or not

    43. GregoryRasputin
      11-26-2011
      08:48 PM
      43

      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      Also if you were unable to dump your own ISOs from your UMDs how would the whole internet be filled with ISOs, you don't make sense...
      That is not what he said, he said the PS3 cannot read UMD's

      And if people seriously think that Cobra isn't used for piracy, then they are crazy, deluded and senile.

    44. VIRGIN KLM
      11-26-2011
      08:50 PM
      44

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      That is not what he said, he said the PS3 cannot read UMD's

      And if people seriously think that Cobra isn't used for piracy, then they are crazy, deluded and senile.
      Ummm, it can, read the changelog...
      I repeat:
      You can use it's features without being a pirate, you have freedom of choice in this matter.

    45. GregoryRasputin
      11-26-2011
      08:52 PM
      45

      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      Ummm, it can, read the changelog...
      lulz, so you are trying to say, you can put an UMD into the PS3 ?

    46. VIRGIN KLM
      11-26-2011
      08:55 PM
      46

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      lulz, so you are trying to say, you can put an UMD into the PS3 ?
      No but you can plug your PSP on USB mode and read directly from UMD.
      Come on people, you can do better than that...
      I never said that it doesn't leave you being able to pirate, I said that it doesn't restrict you from being a non-pirate.

    47. Zara
      11-26-2011
      08:55 PM
      47

      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      No but you can plug your PSP on USB mode and read directly from UMD.
      Come on people, you can do better than that...
      I never said that it doesn't leave you being able to pirate, I said that it doesn't restrict you from being a non-pirate.
      What's wrong with you man? You can't go buy a game and then download a TB fix and play it?

      I give up. The dongles are so different that one would think they came from 2 different universes, I see that now, thanks dudes.

      As for the MultiMan issue, even if it's legal, it's still wrong on so many levels. And I still think that there's no way Deank would allow this or he has anything to do with it. I'll be convinced when he speaks about it himself.

    48. Cheesethief
      11-26-2011
      08:58 PM
      48

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      That is not what he said, he said the PS3 cannot read UMD's

      And if people seriously think that Cobra isn't used for piracy, then they are crazy, deluded and senile.
      My point was that Cobra adds features that are not piracy only oriented. TB was originally released with the purposes of:
      1. Selling the dongle for a profit.
      2. Selling pirated games for a profit.
      It was only recently that support for digital copies was added.

      Cobra adds features that can be used just like multiMan:
      1. The ability to play PS2 backups. Your own in order not to scratch your discs. Piracy is allowed through this sure, but MM does the same with PS3 games.

      2. The ability to play PSP games. UMD I am not sure since their changelog is a bit hazy, but you can back up your own UMDs and play them on the PS3. Same concept as #1, can be used for piracy, but can also be used legitimately.

      3. PS2 game play on non-BC consoles. While from what I hear this feature isn't too stable, it is still more than what Sony has provided.

    49. kgb_
      11-26-2011
      09:00 PM
      49

      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      You can use it's features without being a pirate, you have freedom of choice in this matter.
      Well yes, its all about users choice; cobra added support for multiMAN, it didnt make multiMAN better, its not a better multiMAN version as it was refered to, it simply is an alternative to the cobra manager and it is the choice of the user to download it or not, as i understand it does not come packed with any current cobra firmware update.

      I dont agree with adding multiMANs code to it, but what they offer is support and that may not be illegal or against the source code license it was released into; it does not add cobra functionality to multiMAN, it allows multiMAN to be a alternative to their manager, all special/ custom functions of cobra are only present in the dongle, multiMAN is just a way to load/access them, it does not have those functions on his own/ in his code

    50. GregoryRasputin
      11-26-2011
      09:01 PM
      50

      You can also use your legitimate bought games with the TB dongle....

    51. Zara
      11-26-2011
      09:04 PM
      51

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      You can also use your legitimate bought games with the TB dongle....
      THANK YOU! For some reason, that seems to be a bit hard to understand.

    52. VIRGIN KLM
      11-26-2011
      09:07 PM
      52

      Originally Posted by kgb_
      Well yes, its all about users choice; cobra added support for multiMAN, it didnt make multiMAN better, its not a better multiMAN version as it was refered to, it simply is an alternative to the cobra manager and it is the choice of the user to download it or not, as i understand it does not come packed with any current cobra firmware update.

      I dont agree with adding multiMANs code to it, but what they offer is support and that may not be illegal or against the source code license it was released into; it does not add cobra functionality to multiMAN, it allows multiMAN to be a alternative to their manager, all special/ custom functions of cobra are only present in the dongle, multiMAN is just a way to load/access them, it does not have those functions on his own/ in his code
      Well you need to understand how GNU Public Licence works.
      For short answer I'll say that they cannot use it in any way for a restricted public that is giving them profit or promotion over a commercial product or service.
      So since anybody that doesnt have the dongle cannot use it then it's absolutelly illegal untill the author gives them an authorization or they get to an agreement(income wise).

      Also for the 3rd time. YES you CAN use directly your PSP as a UMD drive on PS3, with or without mM (without you need a tiny trick by swapping the USB function from Memory Stick to UMD so when you enter USB mode you can read the contents of a UMD)

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      You can also use your legitimate bought games with the TB dongle....
      Uhh come on Greg you know the asnwer!
      Then why would you buy TB?!

    53. Cheesethief
      11-26-2011
      09:07 PM
      53

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      You can also use your legitimate bought games with the TB dongle....
      Only because they introduced it in an update due to pressure from their customers. Otherwise they would have been content selling pirated discs.

    54. GregoryRasputin
      11-26-2011
      09:12 PM
      54

      Cobra can be used for =
      Legit PS3 games
      Legit PS2 Games
      Legit PS1 Games
      Legit PSP Games

      TrueBlue can be used for =
      Legit PS3 Games


      BUT

      Cobra can be used for =
      Pirate PS3 games
      Pirate PS2 Games
      Pirate PS1 Games
      Pirate PSP Games

      TrueBlue can be used for =
      Pirate PS3 Games

      Both the dongles have similarities, now regardless of what the dongles do.

      It is plain to see, to anyone with eyes in their face and a brain in their head, that Cobra are using the popularity of mM to push sales of the device.

      It is clear that they are using a higher version number of mM, to make people think they are getting a massively superior mM.

      Using a free popular piece of software on the sole purpose of churning in sales = wrong

      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      Uhh come on Greg you know the asnwer!
      Then why would you buy TB?!
      I really don't know what you are trying to say sometimes >.<

      You buy legit 3.60+ game > use Paradox eboot > use TB dongle > play 3.60+ games you bought on 3.55.....

    55. mcmrc1
      11-26-2011
      09:16 PM
      55

      why didnt sue sony the producer of these dongles ?!?!?

    56. Cheesethief
      11-26-2011
      09:24 PM
      56

      Originally Posted by mcmrc1
      why didnt sue sony the producer of these dongles ?!?!?
      I do not think Sony can sue the producers for the reasons that these places do not have a copyright system like that of the U.S. (In the country of production, the creator of the dongle is not doing anything illegal according to that country's copyright policies) or they are using their own software on their own dongle which means it is their technology to sell.

      [MENTION=7773]GregoryRasputin[/MENTION]
      Isn't this whole comparison of the dongles off-topic?

      The main point of this thread is that multiman was released for a proprietary Dongle and there are rumors that Deank might be with the creators of said dongle makers. As well as if it is legal or not if Deank did not agree to letting them use his program on a proprietary dongle.

    57. mcmrc1
      11-26-2011
      09:30 PM
      57

      [MENTION=200937]Cheesethief[/MENTION] oh ok thx this could be a reason...

    58. gregory2590
      11-26-2011
      09:31 PM
      58

      Originally Posted by mcmrc1
      why didnt sue sony the producer of these dongles ?!?!?
      STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS!

    59. basofio
      11-26-2011
      09:36 PM
      59

      This is really sad. I don't think Deank is involved in this crap though...

    60. mcmrc1
      11-26-2011
      09:36 PM
      60

      Originally Posted by gregory2590
      STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS!
      give them ideas ? you think they sue little devs and forget companies that produces hardware for their consoles to jailbreak it ?

    61. Rax909
      11-26-2011
      09:50 PM
      61

      All I can say is it does not work properly. It says it allows PSP support when plugging the PSP into the system. Except when I tested it...it did absolutely nothing at all. If anything it took away PSP support from my experience testing it.

    62. gregory2590
      11-26-2011
      09:56 PM
      62

      Originally Posted by mcmrc1
      give them ideas ? you think they sue little devs and forget companies that produces hardware for their consoles to jailbreak it ?
      Graf chokolo?

    63. VIRGIN KLM
      11-26-2011
      10:01 PM
      63

      Originally Posted by Rax909
      All I can say is it does not work properly. It says it allows PSP support when plugging the PSP into the system. Except when I tested it...it did absolutely nothing at all. If anything it took away PSP support from my experience testing it.
      Pretty sure you need to have CFW on it and change the USB mount option from memory stick to UMD.
      Obviously they forgot to clarify it.
      OFW does NOT allow UMD access.

    64. TizzyT
      11-26-2011
      10:23 PM
      64

      OK people heres what I got so far from reading up to post 64:
      Multiman is under the GNU license and that means that people are allowed to edit modify and basically alter the crap out of it but isn't allowed to be commercialized or bundled with a commercialized product without the original developers say so.
      The TB and cobra are equally the same in terms of running legitimate backups and also running pirated games, regardless of features.
      As of now there is no word on where Deank is and if he even was a part of this, and he will deal with it(or not) once he returns.
      Cobra fans are backing up the cobra dongle and are also saying irrelevant and unfactional statements while its also the same in some case on the other side.
      This is obviously good news in the overall PS3 scene and I'm guessing some are angry about the legal issues involving this topic (including myself) as a developers work is being stolen (because it is sold for profit, thereby violating the license) and put into something that one needs to purchase for its features when the original license states it is free.

      PS: I have quite a headache now from many different reasons and I hope I got everything, and if I got anything wrong please say so in a kind manner as I will admit I am not right about everything-anything.

    65. alwayshungry
      11-26-2011
      10:36 PM
      65

      Your dead right TizzyT!

    66. gambaownsu
      11-26-2011
      11:22 PM
      66

      Meh,

      Instead of trying figure out about if Deank did sell his soul to the Devil, why not hack or concentrate our efforts against those damn dongles - reverse engineer those f u c ks to no-end a la PSJB. Put an end to those useless dongle once and for all.

      Oh, oups, where's my mind? Rationality and common sense is not something to be known around here - I'll make sure to buy those tickets before it gets sold-out for the next upcoming ps3dramaoperascene event show.

    67. konangrit
      11-26-2011
      11:33 PM
      67

      I don't really get the issue here, Cobra's version of Multiman is freely available to download from their site. If a normal user added Cobra support to opensource Multiman and freely released it would there be a problem? Obviously there will be an issue if Cobra don't release the source code though.

    68. CaptainCPS-X
      11-27-2011
      01:08 AM
      68

      First of all I want to leave clear that I'm not against multiMAN or Cobra, or anything that moves the PS3 scene forward.

      Now, in my opinion, I think people should stop prolonging the multiMAN source code license drama, since first of all multiMAN is not a licensed application by Sony and to compile it you need to use the 'Confidential' Sony PS3 SDK and tools (from what I understand no matter what license you use, that's not good in legal terms).

      If Dean did or didn't give Cobra Team permission to use his code, then that's between Dean and Cobra team. The only one who can act here is Dean.

      Anyway, 'if' they didn't ask for permission to use multiMAN code in their closed source build, then I honestly doubt Dean can proceed legally without it causing some troubles to him as well, since Dean has released binaries of multiMAN which have compiled object code (libraries, headers, etc) from the Confidential Sony PS3 SDK.

      With all that said, I think Cobra Team should release the modified source code of multiMAN as an act of respect and consideration to Dean, or at least send the modified code to him.

      Finally, I see the latest Cobra update as a very good one, the only thing that I don't like as a fellow programmer is to see an Open Source application go Closed Source by unofficial developers. And in other notes, I will not be able to use this for a while since my PS3 PSU died recently xD.

      PS: I don't intend to cause any irritation with my comments, I'm just posting my personal opinion, so I apologize if my message seems disrespectful to anyone's opinion.

      SeeYaa!
      ^^

    69. El Massman
      11-27-2011
      03:47 AM
      69

      Legality of using it commercially aside, shouldn't they now release their modified source code? IF they did, would that give us a better idea of how their dongle interacts with stuff like the ps2/psp emulators?

    70. itskamel
      11-27-2011
      03:51 AM
      70

      Originally Posted by El Massman
      Legality of using it commercially aside, shouldn't they now release their modified source code? IF they did, would that give us a better idea of how their dongle interacts with stuff like the ps2/psp emulators?
      indeed it would. thats why you will never see it.

    71. japsander
      11-27-2011
      04:00 AM
      71

      They have no morals in regard to adding DRM to warez so why would morality force them to abide by open source rulings?

      Edit, I'm too retarded at this time in a morning to distinguish cobra from TB. I retract my comment. Thx [MENTION=200937]Cheesethief[/MENTION]

    72. Cheesethief
      11-27-2011
      04:04 AM
      72

      Originally Posted by japsander
      They have no morals in regard to adding DRM to warez so why would morality force them to abide by open source rulings?
      I think you are talking about TB not Cobra. TB adds a DRM to game eboots, cobra just allows people to play PS2/PSP games without editing warez.

    73. japsander
      11-27-2011
      04:10 AM
      73

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      I think you are talking about TB not Cobra. TB adds a DRM to game eboots, cobra just allows people to play PS2/PSP games without editing warez.
      Yeah, your right. There's a little noob left in all of us a guess :-P

      Even though to be honest I do believe cobra and TB are the same people.
      Ppl want to play PSP etc = make them pay which isn't bad
      They find a way to make it play new games so they have 2 choices,either hand out an update saving cobra owners money or charge them to buy another dongle. From a business perspective what would any of us do?

    74. zondai
      11-27-2011
      05:08 AM
      74

      F........ng capitalists

    75. condorstrike
      11-27-2011
      05:40 AM
      75

      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      The source is copyrighted under GNU licence right?
      GNU determines that you CANNOT in ANY WAY use it for commercial purpose...
      They're going to have some issues...
      Dean, you need to return urgently and sue those guys...
      I'm sorry but that's the most IDi** comment ever.
      i rubbed my eyes and laughed so hard...anyways, the manager works perfect, great release by Cobra.

      Edit: at the idiotic comment above this post.... where do you think Cobra is from...lol...wow, thanks for that useful post :/.

      CAW!

    76. VIRGIN KLM
      11-27-2011
      06:02 AM
      76

      Originally Posted by condorstrike
      I'm sorry but that's the most IDi** comment ever.
      i rubbed my eyes and laughed so hard...anyways, the manager works perfect, great release by Cobra.

      Edit: at the idiotic comment above this post.... where do you think Cobra is from...lol...wow, thanks for that useful post :/.

      CAW!
      Your existance in this planet is idiotic and if there is someone that knows in this forum what is talking about legal cases and copyright issues you should know by far that this is me.(no brag here)

      Now you can return in your cage and keep rubbing your eyes forever since you aren't going to see the light of truth anyway.

      Enough with every random guy posting an offensive post just because he woke up one day thinking he is smarter than somebody and he can do it...

    77. condorstrike
      11-27-2011
      06:14 AM
      77

      lol, 1st I'm not random, since I've done more for this scene than you can imagine...second, what laws...explain it mr whatever you are...since the only legal SDK is psL1ght....inform yourself a little bit more before commenting on what you DON'T know....

      I have spent too much time on you... consider yourself taught.

    78. VIRGIN KLM
      11-27-2011
      06:24 AM
      78

      Originally Posted by condorstrike
      lol, 1st I'm not random, since I've done more for this scene than you can imagine...second, what laws...explain it mr whatever you are...since the only legal SDK is psL1ght....inform yourself a little bit more before commenting on what you DON'T know....

      I have spent too much time on you... consider yourself taught.
      Please don't waste our time OK?
      Thank you.

    79. GregoryRasputin
      11-27-2011
      06:27 AM
      79

      Ok guys hand bags away, if you want to argue, do it on IRC, its more fun that way

    80. VIRGIN KLM
      11-27-2011
      06:33 AM
      80

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      Ok guys hand bags away, if you want to argue, do it on IRC, its more fun that way
      Yep agree, I just don't want people to think they can say whatever they want and get away with that, not that it's not obvious to the rest members what's happening but I just respect myself you know...!

      Well back to ontopic I kind of worry that deank haven't put a word on the matter so far...
      I hope it's just that he didn't notice.

    81. GregoryRasputin
      11-27-2011
      06:38 AM
      81

      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      Yep agree, I just want people to think they can say whatever they want and get away with that, not that it's not obvious to the rest members what's happening but I just respect myself you know...!

      If you think someone has said something offensive, just report it.

    82. TizzyT
      11-27-2011
      08:03 AM
      82

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      If you think someone has said something offensive, just report it.
      Well is it offensive that I used to think your name was "Gary" Rasputin lol, until like months in and then I realize that it was Gregory??? lol, I'm such an idiot lol.

      And where ever Deank is I'm sure there is a computer there or somehow he has internet connectivity, I'm sure (guessing) he knows about it.

    83. Persian McLovin
      11-27-2011
      08:20 AM
      83

      Awesome, this device is seriously the best gadget I have ever purchased! Finally I can now select my PS2/PS1/PSP games with covers and they won't look like crap!

      Thank you Cobra once again.

    84. pereb27
      11-27-2011
      08:38 AM
      84

      I have mixed feelings about this...
      As a Cobra user, I'll try to be as objective as possible, but I can't guarantee I won't be biased a little.

      I really like that they added the ability to use MM in conjunction with their dongle/features, as MM is much better than their manager, but that's besides the point.

      I don't know much about this GNU/source code stuff, but from what I read in this thread, it seems like their modded MM should be at least usable without the dongle, with the dongle features disabled.

      It shouldn't be surprising they did this. IMO, it's not really a matter of legal/illegal, after all Cobra team is chinese (correct me if I'm wrong). Nothing in China is illegal xD And chinese people will do anything for money. I'm not saying that's right though, nor I think it is.

      Another thing is, they're not forcing the Cobra users to use their modded MM, as their own manager is still up for download on their website.

      [MENTION=7773]GregoryRasputin[/MENTION] mentioned the possibility of using MM in order to get more sales. While this may be true to an extent, I don't think people who refrained from buying this will now buy it because it supports Multiman. What people buy this dongle for is the dongle features, not a good-looking manager. So I don't think this will help them get more sales.

      However, they're also improving the manager besides cobra features :
      "- Bugfix: special keys of bdremote weren't working in showtime."
      "XBOX Dash Clone"

      They're improving the manager itself, and this isn't available to those who haven't paid for the dongle, and this is wrong.

      I probably missed some points, but as a conclusion, I think them using MM would be alright if :
      1- They asked deank for permission (I'm pretty certain deank is not involved in this)
      2- They made their version of MM usable by people without the cobra dongle, only with the cobra features disabled.

      While I like being able to use MM for Cobra, I don't really like those practices. However, they're still way higher than True Blue in my book.

      EDIT : Did Cobra remove this news on their front page? Maybe they're up to something to "fix" this issue? I doubt it, but we never know.

    85. VIRGIN KLM
      11-27-2011
      08:47 AM
      85

      Well atleast now everybody will agree there are some serious reasons to hack that dongle excluding the idea to bring the features as a free option.
      Since Mathieulh is all about developers and their rights etc and he is a member of that forum, he supposed to have an opinion on the matter since deank is also a fellow member and developer, but I guess this is a joke right?
      Ah some people just make points and they constantly contradict themselfs, which is not really wise for being in such an open community such as the internet...

    86. GregoryRasputin
      11-27-2011
      08:52 AM
      86

      Originally Posted by pereb27
      [MENTION=7773]GregoryRasputin[/MENTION] mentioned the possibility of using MM in order to get more sales. While this may be true to an extent, I don't think people who refrained from buying this will now buy it because it supports Multiman. What people buy this dongle for is the dongle features, not a good-looking manager. So I don't think this will help them get more sales.
      A lot of people are shallow and wouldn't touch a device if it had an awful BM, now you have the most awesome BM and multimedia piece of software available on the PS3, bundled with a Dongle, of course they think they will gain more sales with it.




      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      Well atleast now everybody will agree there are some serious reasons to hack that dongle excluding the idea to bring the features as a free option.
      This whole dongle crap needs to stop, these scummy people that are milking the PS3 scene for all it can get, need to be put down.

    87. VIRGIN KLM
      11-27-2011
      08:56 AM
      87

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      This whole dongle crap needs to stop, these scummy people that are milking the PS3 scene for all it can get, need to be put down.
      Well how can you advise them to stop when Sony does that milking thing over and over and stronger and stronger?
      They don't have the best role model to follow...!!!

    88. Warning
      11-27-2011
      09:05 AM
      88

      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      Enough with every random guy posting an offensive post just because he woke up one day thinking he is smarter than somebody and he can do it...
      condorstrike is a scene legend.

    89. VIRGIN KLM
      11-27-2011
      09:19 AM
      89

      Originally Posted by Warning
      condorstrike is a scene legend.
      Condorstrike could teach you all day because obviously you have a lot to learn.
      Yes but offence is offence, it's not like there is any excuse to it.
      Seriously I'm no saint or wise guy or something but, sometimes, I may know exactly what I'm talking about.
      I don't question condorstrike's abilities or contribution I just questioned if he really knows how GNU public licences work. If he was correct then there wouldn't need to be the term "royalty free for all uses" in a different kind of public licence, they would be equal so there wouldn't need to be 2 different licences for the same thing.
      Now if law is going to take effect as it should in GNU violation cases that's an other story. I just said that twisting my words and filling gaps that I skipped telling that people could guess easilly is not really flattering for somebody when he is being offensive.
      In a context, I meant that if deank have posted the source on google code, it automatically protects him with a GNU licence, so if he wants he can send to google team an email requesting for Cobra team to come to an agreement with him or to just take down mM from their site and generally providing it.
      Simmilar cases happened dozen times in the past, with stuff that have to do with hacking too, why did everything worked in the past well and is not going to work now?

    90. Warning
      11-27-2011
      09:25 AM
      90

      I edited my post. I should not have called you out like that. Sorry KLM

    91. VIRGIN KLM
      11-27-2011
      09:38 AM
      91

      Originally Posted by Warning
      I edited my post. I should not have called you out like that. Sorry KLM
      Don't worry, I have no strong feelings against anybody, sometimes I am crossing the line aswell, it's human.

      Also I may have not stated it clearly but:

      What's the reason of people posting the source code of their programs on instead in their site to google code's repository?
      It because google takes the responsibility to protect your code legally giving you all the copyrights etc without the need to pay crazy amount of licences.
      So if Cobra really did that without deank's authorization, I feel confident to say that Cobra did a bad move starting a fight with Google...!

    92. TizzyT
      11-27-2011
      09:59 AM
      92

      LOL fighting with google....this should be fun to watch (if it happens)...

    93. erexx
      11-27-2011
      10:12 AM
      93

      If only Cobra, TrueBlue and Math were as generous as DeanK the whole PS3 scene would be a better place.
      Money and Ego seem to ruin everything.

    94. benzinjiq
      11-27-2011
      10:16 AM
      94

      When there's money involved, that is not posible. Well, Math is different story...

      Edit: Here's an update, from Tortuga-Cove:

      UPDATE:

      Team Cobra have released a quick update to mmCM to fix a minor bug that was present in mounting PSP ISOs without a disc in the drive. mmCM v03.00.01 update is available now ONLINE ONLY to Cobra USB users via the intergrated update system.

    95. condorstrike
      11-27-2011
      10:57 AM
      95

      to VIRGIN KLM, this will be my last point about our earlier discussion:
      http://code.google.com/p/multiman/so...4d46284aec731d
      .......;p

      also, multiman is published under "Other license" type of license
      # Code license
      # Other Open Source
      See source for details

      CAW!

    96. tekirkedicik
      11-27-2011
      11:46 AM
      96

      mm's source code is released cobra dudes can use it without asking permission from deank
      so we will wait just wait without flaming good people

    97. CaptainCPS-X
      11-27-2011
      11:57 AM
      97

      Originally Posted by condorstrike
      to VIRGIN KLM, this will be my last point about our earlier discussion:
      http://code.google.com/p/multiman/so...4d46284aec731d
      .......;p

      also, multiman is published under "Other license" type of license
      # Code license
      # Other Open Source
      See source for details

      CAW!
      You're definitely right, multiMAN uses a custom License specified by Dean, and it doesn't cover many things, so at least against Dean source code, Cobra Team are not breaking any laws.

      Dean basically has allowed anyone to use his source as they please as long as it doesn't affect him personally.

      He could just have used this license (this is a valid license), so it is clear to everyone LOL :

      WTFPL ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL )

      DO WHAT THE **** YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE
      Version 2, December 2004

      Copyright (C) 2004 Sam Hocevar <[email protected]>

      Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim or modified
      copies of this license document, and changing it is allowed as long
      as the name is changed.

      DO WHAT THE **** YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE
      TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION

      0. You just DO WHAT THE **** YOU WANT TO.
      SeeYaa!
      ^^

    98. Rax909
      11-27-2011
      12:10 PM
      98

      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      Pretty sure you need to have CFW on it and change the USB mount option from memory stick to UMD.
      Obviously they forgot to clarify it.
      OFW does NOT allow UMD access.
      Who said I was on ofw? And when you mean change that to umd you mean on the PSP I need to change that? And why would I want to do that?...I don't want to play the psp games I own....that would be boring. So in other words its useless.

    99. Ubefuct
      11-27-2011
      12:26 PM
      99

      Originally Posted by condorstrike
      to VIRGIN KLM, this will be my last point about our earlier discussion:
      http://code.google.com/p/multiman/so...4d46284aec731d
      .......;p
      Lines 10 and 11 clearly state the following conditions "the above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the sowtware" witch gives the right to copy, modify, merge and so forth. Point being where is the source code so we can change, modify,and merge. Sorry virgin klm is right

    100. condorstrike
      11-27-2011
      12:35 PM
      100

      Originally Posted by Ubefuct
      Point being where is the source code so we can change, modify,and merge.
      Seriously?
      http://code.google.com/p/multiman/
      ic some of the code has been removed, but the legalities do not change, since it's been there since the beginning, posted by Dean himself.
      wow, well my point is valid, and I showed the proof of it, the source is there and free to use...

      I just love how people make anything in this scene a Drama.

    101. Ubefuct
      11-27-2011
      12:42 PM
      101

      really... you fail to understand. Their 3.0 release is not there. Yes his code is there but by coping either full or subtanial code you are at least required to realse source code. Ie the copy,modify, and merge portion of the "Carry over" licence

    102. depblkman
      11-27-2011
      12:59 PM
      102

      So now that i read 10 pages and caught up with the debate, i feel that we should wait to hear from Deank. Some people are jumping to their own conclusions and it's causing confusion. I really don't agree with Cobra team taking MM and using it to gain profit which as it stands, is the obvious case. I also agree with the fact that Deank has not released nor made mention of any new changes to MM. I smell a big, dirty, sweaty sewer rat here.

    103. deank
      11-27-2011
      01:37 PM
      103

      So much accusations, blaming and calling names. I just managed to read all of that and don't see the point.

      I'm actually glad that for the first time I see a clone/fork of multiMAN which has things and features ADDED. I've witnessed 4 or 5 releases of multiMAN, compiled by various users or sites, castrated and barely recognizable, renamed and published as 'original work' (there was no drama there, right?!), but this time some users get a better version, although limited to cobra dongle users. As I see it, the new stuff in mmCM is about cobra and it is nice that someone picked up on the 'garbage source-code' (as many qualified it numerous times few months ago), and managed to add useful features to it.

      I don't care who uses mm's source, so just stop the drama. The license says 'you can do whatever you want with it' and it doesn't require that you include the modified source or anything. Check your English skills and re-read it. It requires that the redistributed package/version includes the license and it does - there is a ./usrdir/sys/LICENSE file in their distribution.

      As I see it - cobra usb users got a new option and that's good - I like that now they can enjoy a multiMAN clone. Actually I feel kind of good that mm will reach more people. As for the mm 02.09.02 being the latest (not last) multiMAN version - well if I find something new to add - I'll add it. I spent a year adding stuff and features and it looks good to me as it is now. If I find time - I'll add more. If you find time to add something useful - add it - the source was there for 7 months and no one cared about that.

      D

    104. Persian McLovin
      11-27-2011
      01:52 PM
      104

      Originally Posted by deank
      So much accusations, blaming and calling names. I just managed to read all of that and don't see the point.

      I'm actually glad that for the first time I see a clone/fork of multiMAN which has things and features ADDED. I've witnessed 4 or 5 releases of multiMAN, compiled by various users or sites, castrated and barely recognizable, renamed and published as 'original work' (there was no drama there, right?!), but this time some users get a better version, although limited to cobra dongle users. As I see it, the new stuff in mmCM is about cobra and it is nice that someone picked up on the 'garbage source-code' (as many qualified it numerous times few months ago), and managed to add useful features to it.

      I don't care who uses mm's source, so just stop the drama. The license says 'you can do whatever you want with it' and it doesn't require that you include the modified source or anything. Check your English skills and re-read it. It requires that the redistributed package/version includes the license and it does - there is a ./usrdir/sys/LICENSE file in their distribution.

      As I see it - cobra usb users got a new option and that's good - I like that now they can enjoy a multiMAN clone. Actually I feel kind of good that mm will reach more people. As for the mm 02.09.02 being the latest (not last) multiMAN version - well if I find something new to add - I'll add it. I spent a year adding stuff and features and it looks good to me as it is now. If I find time - I'll add more. If you find time to add something useful - add it - the source was there for 7 months and no one cared about that.

      D
      Dean I just want to say thank you for such a great program, it was awesome to start with but the updates and hardwork that you have put into it and it all being free have been amazing and multiMAN in its latest form looks so sleek, functional and professional, you deserve all the plaudits that you recieve.

      I hated the garbage manager that Cobra was using and now I have the best of both worlds...although I hope for the sake of ethics Cobra have at least asked if you would like some royalties in return.

      Thanks again.

    105. /toto67
      11-27-2011
      02:00 PM
      105

      maybe the nice comment of a great developer like deank give some of the guys here something to think about.

      think about what, stop force drama because this is destroying the idea of a working scene ?!

    106. rpgguy999
      11-27-2011
      02:03 PM
      106

      It's nice to see deank own's comment on this.

    107. gDrive
      11-27-2011
      02:12 PM
      107

      Originally Posted by deank
      So much accusations, blaming and calling names. I just managed to read all of that and don't see the point.

      I'm actually glad that for the first time I see a clone/fork of multiMAN which has things and features ADDED. I've witnessed 4 or 5 releases of multiMAN, compiled by various users or sites, castrated and barely recognizable, renamed and published as 'original work' (there was no drama there, right?!), but this time some users get a better version, although limited to cobra dongle users. As I see it, the new stuff in mmCM is about cobra and it is nice that someone picked up on the 'garbage source-code' (as many qualified it numerous times few months ago), and managed to add useful features to it.

      I don't care who uses mm's source, so just stop the drama. The license says 'you can do whatever you want with it' and it doesn't require that you include the modified source or anything. Check your English skills and re-read it. It requires that the redistributed package/version includes the license and it does - there is a ./usrdir/sys/LICENSE file in their distribution.

      As I see it - cobra usb users got a new option and that's good - I like that now they can enjoy a multiMAN clone. Actually I feel kind of good that mm will reach more people. As for the mm 02.09.02 being the latest (not last) multiMAN version - well if I find something new to add - I'll add it. I spent a year adding stuff and features and it looks good to me as it is now. If I find time - I'll add more. If you find time to add something useful - add it - the source was there for 7 months and no one cared about that.

      D
      You never cease to amaze me sir! :D

    108. pereb27
      11-27-2011
      02:38 PM
      108

      Originally Posted by deank
      wall of text
      Thank you, now that this is cleared up i can use mmCM without feeling guilty xD

    109. condorstrike
      11-27-2011
      02:59 PM
      109



      Well there you have it folks, straight from the main man. I don't usually post much...but when i do, i make sure it's right.

      btw, thanks Dean for clearing it up.

    110. CaptainCPS-X
      11-27-2011
      03:16 PM
      110

      Originally Posted by condorstrike


      Well there you have it folks, straight from the main man. I don't usually post much...but when i do, i make sure it's right.

      btw, thanks Dean for clearing it up.
      +1

      SeeYaa!
      ^^

    111. depblkman
      11-27-2011
      05:49 PM
      111

      Originally Posted by deank
      So much accusations, blaming and calling names. I just managed to read all of that and don't see the point.

      I'm actually glad that for the first time I see a clone/fork of multiMAN which has things and features ADDED. I've witnessed 4 or 5 releases of multiMAN, compiled by various users or sites, castrated and barely recognizable, renamed and published as 'original work' (there was no drama there, right?!), but this time some users get a better version, although limited to cobra dongle users. As I see it, the new stuff in mmCM is about cobra and it is nice that someone picked up on the 'garbage source-code' (as many qualified it numerous times few months ago), and managed to add useful features to it.

      I don't care who uses mm's source, so just stop the drama. The license says 'you can do whatever you want with it' and it doesn't require that you include the modified source or anything. Check your English skills and re-read it. It requires that the redistributed package/version includes the license and it does - there is a ./usrdir/sys/LICENSE file in their distribution.

      As I see it - cobra usb users got a new option and that's good - I like that now they can enjoy a multiMAN clone. Actually I feel kind of good that mm will reach more people. As for the mm 02.09.02 being the latest (not last) multiMAN version - well if I find something new to add - I'll add it. I spent a year adding stuff and features and it looks good to me as it is now. If I find time - I'll add more. If you find time to add something useful - add it - the source was there for 7 months and no one cared about that.

      D
      Thank you Dean. I stand corrected and thankful for clarification.

      I know that all of us thank you for your hard work and we aim to protect it. Understand, not just you but all devs. The drama sometimes can be enough to walk away but its not meant to kill the scene. We all want to make sure that the fakers are outted, the real devs get the credit and the ps3 is open for all options for everyone to enjoy.

      People look at this scene and see khaos. I see people passionate enough to debate their differences whether right or wrong. The ps3 scene will never die and will always find a way forward. We may not always agree as to how to get there nor do we like everyone's methods but as long as we have people talking and thinking, we will get there.

      Sorry if I ranted too long. Just something that needed to be said.

      Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk

    112. regg949
      11-27-2011
      06:15 PM
      112

      Originally Posted by deank
      So much accusations, blaming and calling names. I just managed to read all of that and don't see the point.

      I'm actually glad that for the first time I see a clone/fork of multiMAN which has things and features ADDED. I've witnessed 4 or 5 releases of multiMAN, compiled by various users or sites, castrated and barely recognizable, renamed and published as 'original work' (there was no drama there, right?!), but this time some users get a better version, although limited to cobra dongle users. As I see it, the new stuff in mmCM is about cobra and it is nice that someone picked up on the 'garbage source-code' (as many qualified it numerous times few months ago), and managed to add useful features to it.

      I don't care who uses mm's source, so just stop the drama. The license says 'you can do whatever you want with it' and it doesn't require that you include the modified source or anything. Check your English skills and re-read it. It requires that the redistributed package/version includes the license and it does - there is a ./usrdir/sys/LICENSE file in their distribution.

      As I see it - cobra usb users got a new option and that's good - I like that now they can enjoy a multiMAN clone. Actually I feel kind of good that mm will reach more people. As for the mm 02.09.02 being the latest (not last) multiMAN version - well if I find something new to add - I'll add it. I spent a year adding stuff and features and it looks good to me as it is now. If I find time - I'll add more. If you find time to add something useful - add it - the source was there for 7 months and no one cared about that.

      D


      Im loving it on my cobra! Thanks Dean for allowing them to utilize it

    113. ps3tricks
      11-27-2011
      06:35 PM
      113

      Its nice to see DeanK posting again even tho its not mm thread

      anyway i'm very glad to see him on free side and i been wrong

    114. alienkid
      11-27-2011
      06:45 PM
      114

      [MENTION=114607]deank[/MENTION]
      You're by far one of the classiest DEVS and Men in the PS3 Scene.

    115. VIRGIN KLM
      11-27-2011
      07:08 PM
      115

      I know it doesn't up anything to this thread but I couldn't help expressing my enthusiasm of seeing again deank around!
      I guess now the case is pretty like solved, obviously all we cared about was deank's opinion on the matter, so now we can move on with our lifes...

    116. alwayshungry
      11-27-2011
      07:19 PM
      116

      Thank you deank for clearing the air, I guess most guys are pissed that someone took something free and charge money for it, but if your cool with it then so are we. Also good to see you post, missed your post every now and then. Good luck wherever you are!

    117. Pirate
      11-27-2011
      07:53 PM
      117

      Now that all thats cleared, moved to front page.

    118. Elegant
      11-27-2011
      07:58 PM
      118

      I find it hilarious how people here create drama and it's quite clear in the licensing what can be done with it. It's like the public is trying to revoke access to something that no one truly owns.

    119. LoverboySimer
      11-27-2011
      08:39 PM
      119

      That Xbox like XMB looks Sexy
      Plz Deank can you make it for all of us
      It will be amazing

    120. Cheesethief
      11-27-2011
      08:41 PM
      120

      This scene needs more people like deank.

    121. bluewolfknight
      11-27-2011
      10:42 PM
      121

      I agree with DeanK. mM is an open source. But the point is COBRA added multiMAN (FREE) on its features and sell them. oh c'mon. multiMAN has a lots of fans and because of these, COBRA dongles might have more increase in sales.

      EDIT: We'll if it's fine with DeanK, there's nothing wrong with that. For me, as long as he gets credited for all of his hardwork in multiMAN.

    122. Dominic1800
      11-27-2011
      11:28 PM
      122

      if deank is ok with this then i don't see a problem with it........but if this increases cobra sales(which it should) deank should get more praise from them. but i do whish all these dongles coming out where left useless i mean making money out of other ppl's hardwork is just wrong.

    123. tenoob
      11-27-2011
      11:40 PM
      123

      Who cares, rebug is avail for trueblue dongle and that costs money. Nobody complained about that. Its nice Cobra team implimented MM to their dongle/cfw, the cobra manager was awful.

    124. TheWhiteTyger
      11-27-2011
      11:46 PM
      124

      Just so long as deank doesn't actually help to support and implement these thing into MM himself and support paying for a device that gives back what $ony STOLE from us in the first place (i.e. PS2 BC). We shouldn't have to pay for things like that. I have to reflash my firmware (one of these days) just because rebug actually SUPPORTS TB dongle, something that actually takes money for being able to do what you are supposed to for free if you have CFW.

    125. Mackdanny
      11-27-2011
      11:47 PM
      125

      While I Personally Don't agree with having a new better version of MM with cobra to increase profits while deank doesn't profit (assumption) in any way, I'm at least glad this is all over and glad that deank supports and encourages this new build of MM from cobra, and it shows that deank is above the drama, and that's why I believe that deank is one of the better aspects of software modification of any kind yet, hats off, deank

    126. bluewolfknight
      11-27-2011
      11:54 PM
      126

      Yeah right. No need to argue anymore guys. Deank is fine with this release.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************

      Originally Posted by tenoob
      rebug is avail for trueblue dongle and that costs money. Nobody complained about that.
      Well, rebug and multiMAN is different.. Rebug is a CFW which has support for TB. while Cobra is a firmware with certain features itself and added multiMAN's features and improved into it.

      well nonsense arguement. DeanK is fine with these.

    127. landon
      11-28-2011
      02:34 AM
      127

      All my thanks to Deank, he's one of the best devloppers ever in the PS3 scene, yes this scene need more people like Deank

    128. blazedhobo
      11-28-2011
      02:45 AM
      128

      horray for deank! such amazing work with such an amazing attitude.

      maby you could add support for xmb games to show up and boot from multiman? i know it sounds kinda pointless, but i love the 4x8 selection screen. maby do something with the game data tool too?

      anyways tyvm for ur work!

    129. bolt_krank
      11-28-2011
      03:28 AM
      129

      Deank - good on ya mate. I think that's a good attitude for the scene.

    130. GregoryRasputin
      11-28-2011
      04:45 AM
      130

      That's what's wrong with the scene and the world in general, you are all too happy with rolling over and getting f*cked in the ass.

    131. bigo93
      11-28-2011
      05:08 AM
      131

      Nice to hear that dean isnt with the cobra team and they just added it to their own. But we were all getting a little worried since after months of updates it suddenly went quiet with MM.

      It's a great piece of software but the one thing it is missing is what we all want, PS2 support for all consoles Surely there has to be some way to get it....

    132. Mackdanny
      11-28-2011
      05:31 AM
      132

      Originally Posted by bigo93
      Nice to hear that dean isnt with the cobra team and they just added it to their own. But we were all getting a little worried since after months of updates it suddenly went quiet with MM.

      It's a great piece of software but the one thing it is missing is what we all want, PS2 support for all consoles Surely there has to be some way to get it....
      Well I read somewhere a long time ago someone managed to open a firmware pup (before it was common to do so, this was a breakthrough, I believe it was geohot (and that will be the ONLY mention if him I make and I advise you do not follow thru with his accomplishments or lack thereof) and he found out that Sony has put a check based lock on the firmware, this lock checks if your hardware is a North American 60GB with full BC, a North American 20GB also with full BC, the outher region based 60GB which only had a synthesizer and no emotion engine, the North American first release 80GB which had only the synthesizer, the second Gen 80GB and every subsequent model that the firmware checked got the boot on PS2 emulation, it kinda wasn't sony's fault at the time, people weren't buying ps3's as much cuz of the price tag so they had to make changes, and since people were still getting used to PS3 games and not really playing PS2 games (or still had a pS2 gathering dust somewhere) then it was put on the chopping block, I believe the PSN versions of ps2 games are both a means of cash grubbiness AS WELL as sony's admittance to the understatement on ps2 games and/or the revived interest of ps2 games, people always said they wanted the next psp to play ps2 games, maybe by putting them in the store ps2 support on vita isn't a dream either. Anyway that my take on that, and to answer the possible question of "why can't they also add disc support?" well, it's possible, I mean look at how Microsoft does emulation for xbox games on 360.... A profile has to be downloaded to play it.... Maybe Sony can follow suit. However just remember that if BC isn't possible for ALL xbox games on 360 due to technical difficulties, it could probably happen on ps3 as well, maybe a game NEEDS the emotion engine, and believe me, I can think of one.

    133. Blaz0r
      11-28-2011
      09:28 AM
      133

      Sssoooo...? Is this like gay ass TB? Or can this be used on a normal USB, I mean I know the answer already but I was wondering if this is some how different from the TrueBlue USB.

      P.S. Fk all USB's and Dongles ---> CFW FTW!! (when we get the new one )

    134. GregoryRasputin
      11-28-2011
      09:36 AM
      134

      Originally Posted by Blaz0r
      Sssoooo...? Is this like gay ass TB? Or can this be used on a normal USB, I mean I know the answer already but I was wondering if this is some how different from the TrueBlue USB.

      P.S. Fk all USB's and Dongles ---> CFW FTW!! (when we get the new one )
      The differences between TB and Cobra are minimalistic, though Cobra is the lesser of two evils, it add's options to your PS3, like the ability to play PS2/PSP backups, where as TB was modelled solely for pirate games.

      I think the contents of dongles should be free, after all i don't see any of the CFW guys charging for CFW.

    135. Mackdanny
      11-28-2011
      09:49 AM
      135

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      I think the contents of dongles should be free, after all i don't see any of the CFW guys charging for CFW.
      That's how I always felt about those stupid dongles, I once had a file that was the psjailbreak program but reverse engineered to work on any old USB drive, I thought it was a little wrong since I didn't buy the psjailbreak, but at the same time I gave a sh** less because both my psp and wii were softmodded using files that were distributed freely on the net, and to have to pay for ps3 cfw/jailbreak etc felt like a scam

    136. japsander
      11-28-2011
      09:56 AM
      136

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      That's what's wrong with the scene and the world in general, you are all too happy with rolling over and getting f*cked in the ass.

      Well, you seemed quite happy with that concept last night........ :-)


      I agree though. The scene used to be about freedom and knowledge but its turned to money and power.

      I honestly think the word "scene" is used wrongly nowadays. The scene has become less of a community and more of a shopping mall

    137. pereb27
      11-28-2011
      10:03 AM
      137

      I do agree that the contents of a dongle should be free. Usually when it comes to hacking consoles, you buy hardware when that hardware is NEEDED... which it isn't on CFW.

      However, nobody bothered to implement PS1 and PS2 backup loading. Then some chinese guys found out a possible source of profit there, and they made Cobra USB. I wouldn't even consider Team Cobra as part of the scene, they're just a chinese group trying to make a living. Same applies with True Blue, they're not part of the scene either. Except what TB is doing is much, much worse than Cobra.

      Oh, there is One now, which is nice but nothing like Cobra IMO. Someone just randomly found out that you could load the PS1 emu self from multiman, that's it. Cobra actually patched the security checks for burned discs and implemented HDD loading. It's not like devs put a lot of time in this (I'm not complaining at all or trying to be disrespectful in any means, and I think it's a good thing PS1 backup loading is available to everyone now, I'm just saying that nobody was interested until someone randomly found this quick way of adding PS1 loading, and since it was quick and easy to code, they did this).

      Those were features I longed for. When Cobra first came out, I waited for it to be reverse engineered. Months after it still wasn't available for free (seems nobody was interested in reversing it either), and I needed a dongle to downgrade/remarry a BD (mind you I had no device that could use psfreedom, ps3jig or anything open source, so I had to buy a dongle anwyay) so I decided to go for it.

      That said, I'd rather buy a new PS3 on OFW than a True Blue. I didn't really mind giving Cobra money but those TB guys aren't getting a cent from me.

    138. Colonski
      11-28-2011
      10:54 AM
      138

      To quote the poster

      "A lil� bit of love n� appreciation is what we all need in the scene "

      And more so...

      We need that not only in the scene, but throughout the whole fakking world!!!

    139. jonnyjaeger
      11-28-2011
      02:34 PM
      139

      I've been out of the loop for a bit regarding the PSX compatibility on PS3, so is cobra running PSX backups from hdd now or disc-only still? If from hdd, is "regular" multiman doing so too?

    140. pereb27
      11-28-2011
      03:33 PM
      140

      Originally Posted by jonnyjaeger
      I've been out of the loop for a bit regarding the PSX compatibility on PS3, so is cobra running PSX backups from hdd now or disc-only still? If from hdd, is "regular" multiman doing so too?
      Cobra has always been able to load PSX from HDD. In fact, it is the disc support that was added later :P
      Multiman/One only support disc backups.

    141. regg949
      11-28-2011
      04:27 PM
      141

      The only thing to make this even more perfect is to have poster mode work on ps2/ps1/psp games. Or have I just not figured out how to get to it. i know it works in teh xmb style to see my games. Im loving it.

    142. tenoob
      11-28-2011
      05:02 PM
      142

      Originally Posted by regg949
      The only thing to make this even more perfect is to have poster mode work on ps2/ps1/psp games. Or have I just not figured out how to get to it. i know it works in teh xmb style to see my games. Im loving it.
      or to get the tb payload implimented into mmCM, that way we can play newer games.

    143. gDrive
      11-28-2011
      06:03 PM
      143

      Originally Posted by japsander
      I honestly think the word "scene" is used wrongly nowadays. The scene has become less of a community and more of a prick-waving contest
      There, fixed!

    144. lukethomasx
      11-28-2011
      07:04 PM
      144

      glad to see some official word on this from deank, should put a stop to all of the rumors flying around

    145. Kotarofuma
      11-30-2011
      01:44 PM
      145

      i just want to say,dean.. multiman is simply simply pies of ART.its the best second thing ,after jailbraking.i am so glad to have multiman

    146. tenoob
      12-04-2011
      06:01 PM
      146

      Originally Posted by Kotarofuma
      i just want to say,dean.. multiman is simply simply pies of ART.its the best second thing ,after jailbraking.i am so glad to have multiman
      You couldnt of said this in the multiman thread where DeanK is sure to read it?

    147. stripnwil
      12-16-2011
      04:05 PM
      147

      Just wanted to say thanks to Deank ! Multiman is sweet

    148. Pattonfiend67
      01-10-2012
      08:04 AM
      148

      right on, dean. **** these homos...

    149. GregoryRasputin
      01-10-2012
      08:08 AM
      149

      Originally Posted by Pattonfiend67
      right on, dean. **** these homos...
      What "homos" would you be referring to ?

    150. Funklord
      01-10-2012
      07:30 PM
      150

      I applaud Deans selflessness with adopting BSD style licensing, although ideologically I don't agree. Too many projects have been lost to the commercial world (and thereafter fallen into oblivion)
      There's a reason for GPL, it's to make sure software created with the intention to be free remains free, and, if people want extend and sell your stuff, they can pay a license fee.

    151. pepethedon
      01-10-2012
      09:37 PM
      151

      This WHOLE THING is ****ing retarded.

      You guys keep annoying DeanK and he's gonna end up leaving the site.

      This guy can do WHATEVER he wants, stop being such drama-loving ******s and Thank this man for his hard work.

    152. Funklord
      01-11-2012
      06:14 PM
      152

      I've thanked him multiple times, I just don't want his work being EEE:d.

      Linus Torvalds was in the same position once, and was talked into using the GPL, if he hadn't agreed, then Linux probably wouldn't exist anymore.
      You can't retroactively change a license once it's out there. (Not one of these morally sound licenses anyway)

      Ok, I'll pipe down now. The man has made his decision.

    153. bgates69
      01-11-2012
      06:22 PM
      153

      Originally Posted by Funklord
      I've thanked him multiple times, I just don't want his work being EEE:d.

      Linus Torvalds was in the same position once, and was talked into using the GPL, if he hadn't agreed, then Linux probably wouldn't exist anymore.
      You can't retroactively change a license once it's out there. (Not one of these morally sound licenses anyway)

      Ok, I'll pipe down now. The man has made his decision.

      I hate to break it to everyone here but mmCM is Dean's work. Can I prove it? Yes. Will I? Nope.

      If you cannot figure that out on your own, I do not know what to say.

      Flame on.

    154. Funklord
      01-11-2012
      07:24 PM
      154

      Originally Posted by bgates69
      I hate to break it to everyone here but mmCM is Dean's work. Can I prove it? Yes. Will I? Nope.

      If you cannot figure that out on your own, I do not know what to say.

      Flame on.
      Why did you quote me on an unrelated discussion?

    155. bgates69
      01-12-2012
      03:35 AM
      155

      Originally Posted by Funklord
      Why did you quote me on an unrelated discussion?
      Unrelated? Dude, think about what you just wrote (and what I quoted) and the topic of this thread.

      Also, re-read the discussions regarding Dean's work, licensing, source code, etc, etc, etc, that has/have been ongoing.

      mmCM "IS" all Dean. Period. As I said previously, I'm not going to prove it as it should now be blatantly obvious to pretty much everyone.