• It is now Saturday the 17th of December in Japan and the time is almost 9AM, the PS Vita has already been launched, to greet new console owners is a brand new Firmware update, Firmware 1.50 enables PSN and various features associated with that, download the update here.

    Terrible translation explaining update:

    System software version 1.50 for PlayStation ® Vita Update
    From 17 December 2011 and began updating the system software version 1.50.

    To become available and some features of the PlayStation ® Network features, updates the system software of PS Vita (Update) is required. PS Vita also system software, by updating, adding and security can be enhanced many features. Please use the update to the latest version.

    Here is the software license agreement:

    PLAYSTATION®VITA SYSTEM SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT (Version 1.1)

    PLEASE READ THIS PLAYSTATION®VITA SYSTEM SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT (“AGREEMENT”) CAREFULLY TO UNDERSTAND YOUR RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS.

    THIS AGREEMENT IS BETWEEN YOU AND SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT INC. (“SCE”). ACCESS TO OR USE OF THE SYSTEM SOFTWARE IN SCE’S PlayStation®Vita HANDHELD ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM (“PS Vita”) IS EXPRESSLY CONDITIONED UPON ACCEPTANCE OF THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT. BY USING YOUR PS Vita, YOU REPRESENT THAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF ENTERING INTO A CONTRACT UNDER THE LAWS OF YOUR JURISDICTION AND AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THIS AGREEMENT’S TERMS.

    This Agreement applies to any system software, firmware and Internet browser software included in the PS Vita and any patches, updates, upgrades or new versions of that system software, firmware and Internet browser software provided to or made available for your PS Vita through any SCE or Sony service or online network, PlayStation®Network, SCE website or PS Vita game media. All software and firmware described in this paragraph is referred to collectively as “System Software”.

    NOTE: IF YOU ARE A UNITED STATES RESIDENT OR A RESIDENT OF A COUNTRY IN NORTH, CENTRAL OR SOUTH AMERICA, TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, THIS AGREEMENT CONTAINS A BINDING INDIVIDUAL ARBITRATION AND CLASS ACTION WAIVER PROVISION IN SECTION 8 THAT AFFECTS YOUR RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT AND WITH RESPECT TO ANY “DISPUTE” (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 8) BETWEEN YOU AND A “SONY ENTITY” (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 8). YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO OPT OUT OF THE BINDING ARBITRATION AND CLASS ACTION WAIVER PROVISIONS AS DESCRIBED IN SECTION 8.

    1. LICENSE GRANT

    Subject to this Agreement’s terms, SCE grants you a non-exclusive, non-commercial right to use System Software solely on your PS Vita. Your rights to use previous versions of System Software other than the current version of System Software terminates as soon as you can receive or have the most current version of System Software installed on your PS Vita.

    Certain license terms for SCE-licensed, third-party software or service licensed may require that SCE provide you with notices and license terms for that third-party software or service. These notices and license terms and are available to you at http://www.scei.co.jp/psvita-license/index.html or any other place which SCE thinks appropriate.

    All rights to use System Software are granted by license only, and you are not granted any ownership rights or interests in System Software. SCE and its licensors retain all intellectual property rights in System Software. All use of or access to System Software is subject to this Agreement’s terms and applicable intellectual property laws. Except as this Agreement expressly grants, SCE and its licensors reserve all rights in System Software.

    2. RESTRICTIONS

    You may not lease, rent, sublicense, publish, modify, patch, adapt or translate System Software. You may not reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble System Software, create System Software derivative works, or attempt to create System Software source code from its object code. You may not
    (i) use any unauthorized, illegal, counterfeit or modified hardware or software with System Software; (ii) use tools to bypass, disable or circumvent any PS Vita encryption, security or authentication mechanism;(iii) re-install earlier versions of the System Software (“downgrading”), (iv) violate any laws, regulations or statutes or rights of SCE or third parties in connection with your access to or use of System Software; (v) use any hardware or software to cause System Software to accept or use unauthorized, illegal or pirated software or hardware; (vi) obtain System Software in any manner other than through SCE’s authorized distribution methods; or (vii) exploit System Software in any manner other than to use it with your PS Vita according to the accompanying documentation and with authorized software or hardware, including use of System Software to design, develop, update or distribute unauthorized software or hardware for use in connection with the PS Vita.

    These restrictions will be construed to apply to the greatest extent permitted by the law in your jurisdiction.

    3. SERVICES AND UPDATES; THIRD PARTY AGREEMENTS AND CONTENT

    SCE may provide to your certain System Software updates, upgrades or services. Some updates, upgrades or services may be provided automatically without notice to you when you sign onto PlayStation®Network and others may be available to you through SCE’s website or authorized channels. You consent to SCE providing you these automatic updates, upgrades and services. Services may include latest update or download of a new release of System Software containing security patches, new technology or revised settings and features that may prevent access to unauthorized or pirated content or prevent use of unauthorized hardware or software in connection with the PS Vita.

    You must install or have installed the most current version of System Software as soon as you reasonably can. Some updates, upgrades or services may change your current settings, cause a loss of data or content or cause functionality or feature loss. SCE recommends that you regularly back up all data that you can.

    Third parties may make other services or content available to you, and they may require you to accept their separate terms and conditions and privacy policy. System Software may refer to, display or provide you with links to websites or content that third parties independently operate or maintain (“Third Party Content and Links”).

    SCE and its affiliated companies do not control or direct Third Party Content and Links nor do SCE and its affiliated companies monitor, approve, endorse, warrant or sponsor any Third Party Content and Links. SCE and its affiliated companies have no liability to you for any Third Party Content and Links. Your reliance on any Third Party Content and Links is at your own risk, and you assume all responsibilities and consequences resulting from your reliance.

    Please see your PS Vita documentation for information on possible access controls to Third Party Content and Links via PS Vita’s or PlayStation®Network’s parental controls.

    4. INTERNET FEATURES

    Using System Software features that require access to an Internet connection (“Internet Features”) may require you to obtain wireless Internet service from a third-party wireless provider and/or mobile network operator (“Internet Service Provider”). Internet access may NOT be available at your location, be free of charge or free from interruption or disconnections. If you wish to obtain Internet Service Provider services for your PS Vita, you must enter into the necessary Internet Service Provider agreements for those services. You are responsible for all fees incurred in connection with access to or use of the Internet.

    Certain Internet Features may operate depending upon Internet connection factors not under SCE’s control. Browsing websites, playing programs or downloading programs or data may result in viruses, loss or corruption of data or other problems, and you assume all responsibilities and consequences resulting from engaging in these activities through your PS Vita.

    When you enable location services for certain third party applications on your PS Vita, you acknowledge that SCEI may send your latitude and longitude information and IP and / or MAC address to the third party service provider (“Third Party”) in order for the Third Party to render the services requested by you.

    In rendering the service to you, the Third Party may require you to accept their separate terms and conditions of service and / or privacy policy. Please refer to the Third Party’s privacy policy for details on how this information will be used.

    5. WARRANTY DISCLAIMER AND LIMITATION OF LIABILITY

    System Software is provided “AS IS” without any express or implied warranties. SCE, its affiliated companies and licensors expressly disclaim any implied warranty of merchantability, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose and warranty of non-infringement.

    IN NO EVENT ARE SCE, ITS AFFILIATES AND LICENSORS LIABLE FOR ANY LOSS OF DATA, LOSS OF PROFIT, OR ANY LOSS OR DAMAGE, WHETHER DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL, HOWEVER ARISING, AS A RESULT OF ACCESSING TO OR USING SYSTEM SOFTWARE. SO LONG AS THIS PROVISION IS ENFORCEABLE IN YOUR JURISDICTION, THE FOREGOING LIMITATIONS, EXCLUSIONS AND DISCLAIMERS APPLY TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW EVEN IF ANY REMEDY FAILS OF ITS ESSENTIAL PURPOSE.

    6. VIOLATION OF AGREEMENT; TERMINATION OF RIGHTS AND SCE REMEDIES

    If SCE determines that you have violated this Agreement’s terms, SCE may itself or may procure the taking of any action to protect its interests such as disabling access to or use of some or all System Software, termination of your access to PlayStation®Network, denial of any warranty, repair or other services provided for your PS Vita, implementation of upgrades or devices intended to discontinue unauthorized use, or reliance on any other remedial efforts as reasonably necessary to prevent the use of modified or unpermitted use of System Software.

    SCE, its affiliates and licensors reserve the right to bring legal action in the event of a violation of this Agreement. SCE may participate in governmental or private legal action or investigation relating to your use of System Software.

    7. EXPORT CONTROL AND COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS

    System Software may contain technology that is subject to certain restrictions under export-control laws and regulations. As such, the PS Vita may not be exported or re-exported to persons and entities in violation of these laws and regulations. You must comply with these laws when using System Software.

    8. BINDING INDIVIDUAL ARBITRATION FOR CERTAIN RESIDENTS

    The following terms in this Section 8, to the fullest extent permitted under law, only apply to you if you are a resident of the United States or a country in North, Central or South America.

    The term “Dispute” means any dispute, claim, or controversy between you and SCE, Sony Computer Entertainment America LLC or any other SCE affiliate (“Sony Entity”) regarding use of System Software, whether based in contract, statute, regulation, ordinance, tort (including fraud, misrepresentation, fraudulent inducement or negligence), or any other legal or equitable theory, and includes the validity, enforceability or scope of this Section 8 (with the exception of the enforceability of the Class Action Waiver clause below). “Dispute” has the broadest possible meaning that will be enforced.

    If you have a Dispute with any Sony Entity or a Sony Entity’s officers, directors, employees and agents (“Adverse Sony Entity”) that cannot be resolved through negotiation as required as further described below. Other than those matters listed in the Exclusions from Arbitration clause, you and the Adverse Sony Entity must seek resolution of the Dispute only through arbitration of that Dispute according to Section 8′s terms and not litigate that Dispute in court. Arbitration means that the Dispute will be resolved by a neutral arbitrator instead of in a court by a judge or jury.

    YOU AND THE SONY ENTITIES AGREE THAT ANY CLAIM FILED BY YOU OR BY A SONY ENTITY IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE ARBITRATION TERMS CONTAINED IN THIS Section 8.

    IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO BE BOUND BY THE BINDING ARBITRATION AND CLASS ACTION WAIVER IN THIS SECTION 8, YOU MUST NOTIFY SCE IN WRITING WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE DATE THAT YOU ACCEPT THIS AGREEMENT. YOUR WRITTEN NOTIFICATION MUST BE MAILED TO SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT INC. CARE OF SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT AMERICA LLC, 919 EAST HILLSDALE BLVD., FOSTER CITY, CA 94404, ATTN: LEGAL DEPARTMENT – WAIVER AND MUST INCLUDE: (1) YOUR NAME, (2) YOUR ADDRESS, (3) YOUR PLAYSTATION®NETWORK ID, IF YOU HAVE ONE, AND (4) A CLEAR STATEMENT THAT YOU DO NOT WISH TO RESOLVE DISPUTES WITH ANY SONY ENTITY THROUGH ARBITRATION.

    IF YOU HAVE A DISPUTE WITH ANY SONY ENTITY, YOU MUST SEND WRITTEN NOTICE TO SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT INC. CARE OF SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT AMERICA LLC, 919 EAST HILLSDALE BLVD., FOSTER CITY, CA 94404 ATTN: LEGAL DEPARTMENT - DISPUTE RESOLUTION TO GIVE THE ADVERSE SONY ENTITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESOLVE THE DISPUTE INFORMALLY THROUGH NEGOTIATION.

    You agree to negotiate resolution of the Dispute in good faith for no fewer than 60 days after you provide notice of the Dispute. If the Adverse Sony Entity does not resolve your Dispute within 60 days from its receipt of notice of the Dispute, you or the Adverse Sony Entity may pursue your claim in arbitration pursuant to the terms in this Section 8.

    ANY DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCEEDINGS, WHETHER IN ARBITRATION OR COURT, WILL BE CONDUCTED ONLY ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND NOT IN A CLASS OR REPRESENTATIVE ACTION OR AS A NAMED OR UNNAMED MEMBER IN A CLASS, CONSOLIDATED, REPRESENTATIVE OR PRIVATE ATTORNEY GENERAL ACTION, UNLESS BOTH YOU AND THE ADVERSE SONY ENTITY SPECIFICALLY AGREE TO DO SO IN WRITING FOLLOWING INITIATION OF THE ARBITRATION.

    If you or the Adverse Sony Entity elect to resolve your Dispute through arbitration, the party initiating the arbitration proceeding may initiate it with the American Arbitration Association (“AAA”), www.adr.org, or JAMS www.jamsadr.com. This Section 8′s terms govern if they conflict with the rules of the arbitration organization that the parties select.

    The Federal Arbitration Act (“FAA”) governs the arbitrability of all Disputes involving interstate commerce. However, applicable federal or state law may also apply to the substance of a Dispute. For claims of less than $75,000, the AAA’s Supplementary Procedures for Consumer-Related Disputes (“Supplementary Procedures”) apply, including the schedule of arbitration fees set forth in section C-8 of the Supplementary Procedures, for claims over $75,000, the AAA’s Commercial Arbitration Rules and relevant fee schedules for non-class action proceedings apply.

    The AAA rules are available at www.adr.org or by calling 1-800-778-7879. Further, if your claims do not exceed $75,000 and you provided notice to and negotiated in good faith with the Adverse Sony Entity as described above, if the arbitrator finds that you are the prevailing party in the arbitration, you will be entitled to recover reasonable attorneys’ fees and costs as determined by the arbitrator, in addition to any rights to recover the same under controlling state or federal law afforded to the Adverse Sony Entity or you.

    The arbitrator will make any award in writing but need not provide a statement of reasons unless requested by a party. The arbitrator’s award will be binding and final, except for any right of appeal provided by the FAA, and may be entered in any court having jurisdiction over the parties for purposes of enforcement.

    You or the Adverse Sony Entity may initiate arbitration in either San Mateo County, California or the county in which you reside. If you select the county of your residence, the Adverse Sony Entity may transfer the arbitration to San Mateo, County if it agrees to pay any additional fees or costs you incur as a result of the change in location as determined by the arbitrator.

    If any clause within this Section 8 (other than the Class Action Waiver clause above) is illegal or unenforceable, that clause will be severed from this Section 8, and the remainder of this Section 8 will be given full effect. If the Class Action Waiver clause is found to be illegal or unenforceable, this entire Section 8 will be unenforceable, and the Dispute will be decided by a court.

    This Section 8 survives this Agreement’s termination.

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    If you reside in Japan or country/area located in East Asia or Southeast Asia, this Agreement is governed by, construed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Japan except for its conflict of law rules. Any dispute arising under or in relation to this Agreement, shall be exclusively submitted to the Tokyo District Court in Tokyo, Japan.

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    You are bound by this Agreement’s most current version. SCE may modify this Agreement’s terms at any time. To access a printable, current version of this Agreement, go to http://www.scei.co.jp/psvita-eula. Please check this URL from time to time for changes to this Agreement. Your continued access to or use of System Software will signify your acceptance of the latest version of this Agreement.

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  • 44 Comments

    1. Cheesethief
      12-16-2011
      07:10 PM
      1

      I wonder how long it will take till Sony starts removing features on this console...

    2. hello1
      12-16-2011
      07:33 PM
      2

      Cheesethief: Probably not before someone starts to abuse some features for purposes that they were'nt intended for, and that these features can't be patched to block the exploit. Hopefully that won't happen this time around

    3. GregoryRasputin
      12-16-2011
      07:38 PM
      3

      Originally Posted by hello1
      Cheesethief: Probably not before someone starts to abuse some features for purposes that they were'nt intended for, and that these features can't be patched to block the exploit. Hopefully that won't happen this time around
      The PS3 had only just been released in the US, when they decided to remove the Emotion Engine from EU models, that had nothing to do with hacking.

      Sony had already planned to remove the OtherOS function on Slims, before GeoHot had even touched the console, yet again, nothing to do with hacks.


      EDIT:
      ANY feature Sony have removed, has had nothing to do with hacking.

    4. Cheesethief
      12-16-2011
      07:40 PM
      4

      Originally Posted by hello1
      Cheesethief: Probably not before someone starts to abuse some features for purposes that they were'nt intended for and that turns out to not be patchable. Hopefully that won't happen this time around
      OtherOS being taken away is what angered the hacker community into breaking the PS3's security to pieces. Geohot didn't really do anything with OtherOS that would have caused the situation that Sony got into on 3.41 and 3.55. Average Joe would never be able to do what Geohot did, but since Sony pissed the crap out of developers, Average Joe now can do everything he wanted and more if he is on a hackable firmware.

      A lesson Sony should learn from this is, DO NOT piss off the developer, programmer, and hacking community, or you will regret it dearly. They should have also learned to be thorough in the way they set up their security from how the PSP was hacked to hell and back.

    5. Trnc
      12-16-2011
      07:44 PM
      5

      Im not going to buy a new Vita anyway. Ill buy a second hand console and by that let Sony lose a sale. Im not going to give sony more money than they deserve. And thats not much at the moment.

      When they stop being stupid idiots ill send them some money for their new creations. Second hand Sony items Is the new big thing

    6. Cheesethief
      12-16-2011
      07:51 PM
      6

      Originally Posted by Trnc
      Im not going to buy a new Vita anyway. Ill buy a second hand console and by that let Sony lose a sale. Im not going to give sony more money than they deserve. And thats not much at the moment.

      When they stop being stupid idiots ill send them some money for their new creations. Second hand Sony items Is the new big thing
      The more complex the console, the more of a chance that the console may have problems when you buy second hand... And consoles are getting pretty damn complex. Answer: Buy a new in box console from someone.

    7. hello1
      12-16-2011
      07:52 PM
      7

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      The PS3 had only just been released in the US, when they decided to remove the Emotion Engine from EU models, that had nothing to do with hacking.

      Sony had already planned to remove the OtherOS function on Slims, before GeoHot had even touched the console, yet again, nothing to do with hacks.


      EDIT:
      ANY feature Sony have removed, has had nothing to do with hacking.
      True, but i assumed he ment removing from already purchased systems. Removing things on later updated models to for example save money on production costs is a different thing.

      About the OtherOS removal from the PS3 Phat models, everything around that is just speculation. I've seen maybe 4-5 different reasons/speculations given around the removal, everything from that IBM pressured Sony to remove it to making room in RAM/memory for PS Move and 3D support. In the end, i think we will never know the true answer. The official reason for why OtherOS was removed from Slim is cost reduction, and from PS3 Phats is due to security issues.


      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      OtherOS being taken away is what angered the hacker community into breaking the PS3's security to pieces. Geohot didn't really do anything with OtherOS that would have caused the situation that Sony got into on 3.41 and 3.55. Average Joe would never be able to do what Geohot did, but since Sony pissed the crap out of developers, Average Joe now can do everything he wanted and more if he is on a hackable firmware.

      A lesson Sony should learn from this is, DO NOT piss off the developer, programmer, and hacking community, or you will regret it dearly. They should have also learned to be thorough in the way they set up their security from how the PSP was hacked to hell and back.
      I think that it would happen regardless actually. I think that we would still see the PS Jailbreak dongle. And OtherOS was first removed from the PS3 Slim, which was a reason enough that the hackers could use.

      I think the fear that Sony had was that someone could use OtherOS to hack the PS3, and then simply the method so that the Average Joe could use it.

      But i still stick with what i said earlier I dont think that anything will be removed unless someone abuse/exploit a feature on the Vita for purposes that weren't intended, and if it isn't possible to patch this exploit.

    8. Cheesethief
      12-16-2011
      07:59 PM
      8

      Originally Posted by hello1
      I think that it would happen regardless actually. I think that we would still see the PS Jailbreak dongle. And OtherOS was first removed from the PS3 Slim, which was a reason enough that the hackers could use.

      But i still stick with what i said earlier I dont think that anything will be removed unless someone abuse/exploit a feature on the Vita for purposes that weren't intended, and if it isn't possible to patch this exploit.
      Why do you think that the PS3 remained secure for what was it? Four years. That is a VERY long time. Hackers were not very interested in doing anything much with it because it had OtherOS. They were also not so tempted to do anything when Sony took out support from the Slim because the old consoles still had it. When Sony took it from the Fats was the last straw for the hacking community.

      PSJB may not have existed if Sony did not take out OtherOS.

    9. warkbt
      12-16-2011
      07:59 PM
      9

      No reverse engineering, no soft mod...

      Jajajajaja, who writes these user agreements?

      Sony,

    10. oblistar
      12-16-2011
      08:02 PM
      10

      ah, firmware 1.50... nostalgic. Here we go again~ Where's dark alex? D:

    11. hello1
      12-16-2011
      08:06 PM
      11

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      Why do you think that the PS3 remained secure for what was it? Four years. That is a VERY long time. Hackers were not very interested in doing anything much with it because it had OtherOS. They were also not so tempted to do anything when Sony took out support from the Slim because the old consoles still had it. When Sony took it from the Fats was the last straw for the hacking community.

      PSJB may not have existed if Sony did not take out OtherOS.
      I have seen posts by Mathieulh from around 2008 or 2009 where he talks about the PS3 security. People have tried to hack the PS3 since day one. Maybe not everyone had the interest in hacking it, that is probably true, but many still did. It is not that unusual that it is more about the prestige of being able to hack something and not that much about the actual usage of the hack (as in runing homebrew etc.).

      Geohot first started his PS3 hacking attempts when OtherOS was removed from the PS3 Slim.

      I think that the PS Jailbreak dongle was one of the keys to hacking the PS3 like it was. It opened the PS3 up quite much, allowing you to run own programs on it. And this dongle was not there to bring OtherOS back, at least not as it's main selling point. It was there mainly for backup and piracy reasons. So personally i think that it would have excisted regardless, but that is just my opinion.

    12. Cheesethief
      12-16-2011
      08:08 PM
      12

      Originally Posted by oblistar
      ah, firmware 1.50... nostalgic. Here we go again~ Where's dark alex? D:
      According to Math, he is doing just fine.... Hope he finds the Vita interesting enough to destroy it's security.

      Originally Posted by hello1
      I have seen posts by Mathieulh from around 2008 or 2009 where he talks about the PS3 security. People have tried to hack the PS3 since day one. Maybe not everyone had the interest in hacking it, but many did.

      Geohot first started his hacking attempts when OtherOS was removed from the PS3 Slim.

      I think that the PS Jailbreak dongle was one of the keys to hacking the PS3 like it was. It opened the PS3 up quite much, allowing you to run own programs on it. And this dongle was not there to bring OtherOS back, at least not as it's main selling point. It was there mainly for backup and piracy reasons.
      The hacking community in general wasn't too interested in the PS3 because OtherOS allowed to do a pretty good sum of things. That is the point. Geohot started hacking using the OtherOS function while it was still there, but Sony were already planning to remove it from the next installment of PS3 consoles even before Geocrap started fondling his PS3. He hacked it, but not many were interested in his hack and it was damn hard to accomplish.

    13. whizzer
      12-16-2011
      08:13 PM
      13

      I'm sorry anybody who buys this **** if ****ing retarded.mathiuth you moron give us the **** that will put an end to this nonsense once and for all.are we gonna keep agreeing. to this ****. What the **** people.ya we can do everthong we do on the PS 3.that we can do on alcohol. But guess what we don't want to math.God Dakota math we want to conserve I wont my PS 3 dammit. That's it. I've pirated one game in my whole life.that was cars. Just to see if my jallbreak worked **** these **** sucking mother ****ers make a dime. You want to be a hero math stop PC gamers or whatever from stealing **** coming man really.

    14. Cheesethief
      12-16-2011
      08:16 PM
      14

      Originally Posted by whizzer
      I'm sorry anybody who buys this **** if ****ing retarded.mathiuth you moron give us the **** that will put an end to this nonsense once and for all.are we gonna keep agreeing. to this ****. What the **** people.ya we can do everthong we do on the PS 3.that we can do on alcohol. But guess what we don't want to math.God Dakota math we want to conserve I wont my PS 3 dammit. That's it. I've pirated one game in my whole life.that was cars. Just to see if my jallbreak worked **** these **** sucking mother ****ers make a dime. You want to be a hero math stop PC gamers or whatever from stealing **** coming man really.
      Wha.....? Calm down dude. Math has nothing at all to do with this as of yet. Though I am sure he will the first to boast about hacking the PSV.

    15. hello1
      12-16-2011
      08:25 PM
      15

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      The hacking community in general wasn't too interested in the PS3 because OtherOS allowed to do a pretty good sum of things. That is the point. Geohot started hacking using the OtherOS function while it was still there, but Sony were already planning to remove it from the next installment of PS3 consoles even before Geocrap started fondling his PS3. He hacked it, but not many were interested in his hack and it was damn hard to accomplish.
      That might be, i agree to that, but people still tried to hack the PS3 from very early on, that is my point Sometimes it is more about the prestige of being able to hack something rather than the actual usage that it brings (as in being able to run homebrew etc.).

      Yeah, Geohot started to hack when OtherOS was still on the Phat models, but he started after it was removed on the Slim models. That is the reason he gave for the hacking at least, that he wanted to run OtherOS on the Slim model as well.

      Geohot's hack was more at the early stages indeed, that is true. But i think this was enough to scare Sony. If the PS Jailbreak dongle didnt come out, and if Fail0verflow didnt do their work, i wonder what progress that would be made of using OtherOS for hacking the PS3 further.

      That Sony had planned to remove OtherOS from the PS3 Phat models, do you have any source to this? I have only seen speculations around all of this, so it would be nice to see some info that confirms things.


      But OtherOS is not on Vita, so that can't be removed at least. I hope for Sony's sake that they made all their features in the Vita patchable from exploits, so that they dont have to remove anything in case of some big exploit is being found in one of the features. But only time will tell =)

    16. whizzer
      12-16-2011
      08:31 PM
      16

      Sorry I can't copy and paste what you said but here ivies he supposedly. Has thus **** Sony is afriad of and so far I don't doubt. That he does. I just don't see how anybody. Can put up with this bull****.my computer has been running for 3 months. Figuring! Out my own calculation. I ain't no hacker but I know. ****ing. Mathmaticswe will see.

    17. Cheesethief
      12-16-2011
      08:46 PM
      17

      Originally Posted by hello1
      That might be, i agree to that, but people still tried to hack the PS3 from very early on, that is my point Sometimes it is more about the prestige of being able to hack something rather than the actual usage that it brings (as in being able to run homebrew etc.).

      Yeah, Geohot started to hack when OtherOS was still on the Phat models, but he started after it was removed on the Slim models. That is the reason he gave for the hacking at least, that he wanted to run OtherOS on the Slim model as well.

      Geohot's hack was more at the early stages indeed, that is true. But i think this was enough to scare Sony. If the PS Jailbreak dongle didnt come out, and if Fail0verflow didnt do their work, i wonder what progress that would be made of using OtherOS for hacking the PS3 further.

      That Sony had planned to remove OtherOS from the PS3 Phat models, do you have any source to this? I have only seen speculations around all of this, so it would be nice to see some info that confirms things.


      But OtherOS is not on Vita, so that can't be removed at least. I hope for Sony's sake that they made all their features in the Vita patchable from exploits, so that they dont have to remove anything in case of some big exploit is being found in one of the features. But only time will tell =)
      What you say is correct. I do think they wanted to remove OtherOS from fats, but then decided against it and released the slim without the option thinking that would be good enough so that they would not have to focus as much on the function from then on. That said, Geocrap hacking the console via otheros, probably did prompt them to remove it from fats after all.

      I however do hope the PSV is found to have an exploit, because if it does, then we will get more features, not less. If Sony takes them away on OFW, then there would be more reason to go CFW.

      Perhaps if PS3 CFW was more easily available it would provide competition to OFW that would prompt Sony to add features. Like how CFW on the PSP made Sony actually add features like the whole Savestates thing added to the PSP Go and perhaps on a lesser scale PSPComic made them add Digital Comics among other things.

    18. whizzer
      12-16-2011
      08:51 PM
      18

      Damn I would not have guessed.my **** is down.unforturnatley. I don't work form home.sorry Sony keep on guessing. But anyway.math I could use spittle help. Here don't know must about. Keeping **** private other than stay off the grid uppsq.just got one question. Now get whole of me.

    19. alienkid
      12-16-2011
      09:08 PM
      19

      I'll definitely be buying this unit used...from craigslist or ebay along with the games.

    20. whizzer
      12-16-2011
      09:10 PM
      20

      If math is really scared he has, ever right to be every connection I'm trying is being taking down.I told you I'm a noob. But I'm sire good at equations.**** its going quick you will have results.o

    21. GregoryRasputin
      12-16-2011
      09:50 PM
      21

      Originally Posted by whizzer
      If math is really scared he has, ever right to be every connection I'm trying is being taking down.I told you I'm a noob. But I'm sire good at equations.**** its going quick you will have results.o
      Not sure if you have been smoking heavy tonight, but this thread is regarding the PS Vita, not Math, do not post off topic again.

    22. whizzer
      12-16-2011
      10:03 PM
      22

      Sorry man.give me a little Lee way please. I love the seen and in. 34.125 hours. Ill be ready .I ain't the smartest mofo. But somebody will be able to finish. It off.) have a great night you sons of *****es I love ya. Yeha.woot.here we go.

    23. KillerBug
      12-16-2011
      10:29 PM
      23

      All those people lined up to buy a proprietary device from an evil company...they remind me of apple users/sheep/cows being led to the slaughter.

      Sony can keep the vita...I wouldn't want one if it was free because I would still have to pay Sony for the games and the required memory card.

    24. lythong266
      12-16-2011
      10:40 PM
      24

      Anyway. xbox360, Ps3 do the same thing. They just want more money.

      Xbox360 recent use "silent update dae.bin" that mean if you hack your xbox360, and go online. your xbox will automatic update without ask or sent any message. Then your xbox can no longer play XGD3 discs ( games recent release).

      xbox also just remove advertisements from dashboard "Xbox 360 Dashboard Ads Removed". Before that. They use ad to earn money( however ps3, and wii, do not have).

      For me, no companies are better. (neither Microsoft or Sony)

    25. FML
      12-16-2011
      10:43 PM
      25

      Game pricing

      Unchartered
      �48/$63/�4,900

      Everybody�s Golf 6
      �39/$50/�3,900


      24 titles in total available at launch


      source

    26. bubbleboy
      12-17-2011
      12:05 AM
      26

      Originally Posted by alienkid
      I'll definitely be buying this unit used...from craigslist or ebay along with the games.
      Its up to everyone, but my advice is to boycott sony and buy none of their crap.

      They dont make any more must-have devices, why give them more money, even if it is indirectly?

    27. synce
      12-17-2011
      12:11 AM
      27

      $300 for a fat ass "portable" that requires Sony cards and software to transfer between PC... Yeah I'm lining up! Maybe in 2 years when there's a slim version and some h4x

    28. jc_gargma
      12-17-2011
      12:15 AM
      28

      The whole of Section 2 is pretty lolzy, as is how Section 7 tries to outlaw it being exported.
      And as for Section 8, any court that actually allows that mandatory binding arbitration clause to be valid needs to go read up on why class action lawsuits were first conceived, as they obviously have forgotten.

    29. TheBuzzer
      12-17-2011
      12:20 AM
      29

      wouldnt it be funny if math will claim he cracked the vita. Like 4.0 firmware had the master key of vita which he got because he already decompiled 4.0 firmware

    30. VIRGIN KLM
      12-17-2011
      04:47 AM
      30

      So it's a fact, Sony's reputation is falling apart... ...great it was about time...

    31. lonewolf88
      12-17-2011
      05:11 AM
      31

      I hope the vita fails badly and drags the rest of $ony down with it, but after its been hacked to hell and back.
      Charging for a proprietary memory card you greedy ****s, where you learn that trick $ony, from microsoft?
      Instead of making ****ty new handhelds, why not make the ps3 "do everything" like was touted when you sold it too me you greedy pigs.

    32. KillerBug
      12-17-2011
      05:17 AM
      32

      Originally Posted by lonewolf88
      I hope the vita fails badly and drags the rest of $ony down with it, but after its been hacked to hell and back.
      Charging for a proprietary memory card you greedy ****s, where you learn that trick $ony, from microsoft?
      Instead of making ****ty new handhelds, why not make the ps3 "do everything" like was touted when you sold it too me you greedy pigs.
      I hope it never gets hacked...people will buy it more if it gets hacked, and those who buy it anyway won't be left with the worthless piece of crap that they deserve.

      I also hope the new iOS doesn't get jailbroken...for the same reasons.

    33. GoFreak
      12-17-2011
      07:01 AM
      33

      Can you give me the Firmware, i will code a CFW.

    34. Annelies
      12-17-2011
      07:04 AM
      34

      I hate the UI on this thing. If it is hacked, I want the XMB back.

      Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk

    35. Shinintendo
      12-17-2011
      07:26 AM
      35

      I hate Sony behavior and terms so I'm boycotting their products.
      I won't be buying this. If someone buy this he/she more or less have to buy their memory card as well unless he/she doesn't want to play future games (I believe most of the games will be needing it in the future)
      If I will ever buy it, it will be for the Exclusive games with Chinese fake memory card+ 2nd hand device.

    36. Persian McLovin
      12-17-2011
      08:08 AM
      36

      Originally Posted by whizzer
      I'm sorry anybody who buys this **** if ****ing retarded.mathiuth you moron give us the **** that will put an end to this nonsense once and for all.are we gonna keep agreeing. to this ****. What the **** people.ya we can do everthong we do on the PS 3.that we can do on alcohol. But guess what we don't want to math.God Dakota math we want to conserve I wont my PS 3 dammit. That's it. I've pirated one game in my whole life.that was cars. Just to see if my jallbreak worked **** these **** sucking mother ****ers make a dime. You want to be a hero math stop PC gamers or whatever from stealing **** coming man really.
      lol, "everthong".

    37. alienkid
      12-17-2011
      11:32 AM
      37

      Originally Posted by bubbleboy
      Its up to everyone, but my advice is to boycott sony and buy none of their crap.

      They dont make any more must-have devices, why give them more money, even if it is indirectly?
      That's a good point and I agree wholeheartedly. But I'm just honest with myself and know that when homebrew and the such start to appear on it from a scene aspect, I want in.

      I enjoy seeing Scene Devs make a device do what it's not suppose to do. I get a kick out of that.

      That's the only reason I would own one.

    38. slimlyrics
      12-17-2011
      04:07 PM
      38

      I for one plan on getting a VITA at launch. I will continue to buy sony products. They have proven to me that they care more about providing great gaming experiences than the other two. Whilst Microsoft and Nintendo are only concerned with making money with shovelware and gimmicky peripheral and a closed system, Sony continues to release top quality exclusive. From the very beginning they have been the most open of all the other contenders by providing features like game sharing and other OS, when they had no reason to i might add. The icing on the cake is their PSN initiative which gives out generously to up and coming indie developers.

      I am proud to call myself a Sony fanboy.,

    39. hello1
      12-17-2011
      05:47 PM
      39

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      What you say is correct. I do think they wanted to remove OtherOS from fats, but then decided against it and released the slim without the option thinking that would be good enough so that they would not have to focus as much on the function from then on. That said, Geocrap hacking the console via otheros, probably did prompt them to remove it from fats after all.

      I however do hope the PSV is found to have an exploit, because if it does, then we will get more features, not less. If Sony takes them away on OFW, then there would be more reason to go CFW.

      Perhaps if PS3 CFW was more easily available it would provide competition to OFW that would prompt Sony to add features. Like how CFW on the PSP made Sony actually add features like the whole Savestates thing added to the PSP Go and perhaps on a lesser scale PSPComic made them add Digital Comics among other things.
      Yeah, who knows what really happened. I've heard speculations that IMB pressured Sony to remove OtherOS, so this could affect the PS3 Phat models as well. But it is just speculation though, only Sony knows for sure what really is the reason.

      Sure, CFW can indeed bring out some cool features indeed that might make it over to the OFW =)

    40. Drunk Vegan
      12-17-2011
      09:04 PM
      40

      TL;DR - It's not your console, it's Sony's. By purchasing you are agreeing that you don't own the piece of hardware you paid for, they do.

      I don't know why Sony doesn't just start being honest and just RENT their consoles out to users.

    41. VIRGIN KLM
      12-18-2011
      04:54 AM
      41

      I don't remember anyone after 2010/2011 agreeing to Sony's TOS, that's eventually a fight that Sony epicaly lost, nobody (with no exception) cares anymore on agreeing their TOS, best case scenario they'll just say "yeah yeah whatever" and they will skip it...
      It's beyond me why they made the effort to pay a person to form a TOS since nobody would care either way and nobody is going to follow it.
      If Sony wants people to care they should give them atleast the feeble idea that they care (about them) aswell and since this isn't the case, I don't see people ever caring for Sony, Sony-fanboys included in the case too.

      Do you seriously think that anybody is going to (in practice) accept/follow this TOS?
      I smell that Sony will understand that nobody cares about their TOS'es and they're going to take some controversial measures again...

    42. $n!pR
      12-18-2011
      04:07 PM
      42

      Haven't read the thread. Here's a direct link to the new firmware:
      http://fjp01.psp2.update.playstation...updatelist.xml

    43. jc_gargma
      12-19-2011
      02:16 AM
      43

      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      I don't remember anyone after 2010/2011 agreeing to Sony's TOS, that's eventually a fight that Sony epicaly lost, nobody (with no exception) cares anymore on agreeing their TOS, best case scenario they'll just say "yeah yeah whatever" and they will skip it...
      It's beyond me why they made the effort to pay a person to form a TOS since nobody would care either way and nobody is going to follow it.
      If Sony wants people to care they should give them atleast the feeble idea that they care (about them) aswell and since this isn't the case, I don't see people ever caring for Sony, Sony-fanboys included in the case too.

      Do you seriously think that anybody is going to (in practice) accept/follow this TOS?
      I smell that Sony will understand that nobody cares about their TOS'es and they're going to take some controversial measures again...
      Of course only a few read ToS. Who are the target audience for video gaming? What 15 year old is going to spend 20 minutes reading some legal document when they want to bust out guns and shoot stuff? They'll just click past, agreeing to anything you say so the next fix is soon. ToS are designed to prey on this, and they take advantage of it by planting things inside that you would never agree to if you actually read it. And if you later protest, you cannot, because you already signed the contract. You may not care what you agreed to, but a court will, and Sony knows that.
      Its not about if people read it, its all about what you can make so alluring they will not care what rights they give away to get it.

    44. Azztec
      12-20-2011
      03:48 AM
      44

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      The more complex the console, the more of a chance that the console may have problems when you buy second hand... And consoles are getting pretty damn complex. Answer: Buy a new in box console from someone.
      Years ago I went out to gamestation and bought a PS2 after it had been out a while, come to think of it I still have that very PS2 and it still plays as good as the day I got it, following this the PSP�s I bought my kids were also used as was the PS3.
      Can I just say all the above are all still working fine with no issues.
      I know of people who bought new ones and have had issues with them so there are no set rules for items going faulty or not.
      SONY has never directly profited from me in consoles simply due to them being overly profit driven as opposed to customer driven, when they change I might treat them to a new purchase.