• I found this interesting article enough to open a nice debate. Here Jaffe said some *sour truths* But i think it’s right in most of the points he mention. (Besides bashing) ;)

    The God of War and Twisted Metal creator sees the next round of hardware as the very last:

    David Jaffe is never one to hold back an opinion, so after we talked in depth about the free-to-play marketand his next project at his new San Diego studio, we also decided to pick the designer’s brain on the Wii U and how the console market is shaping up. As it turns out, Jaffe isn’t very excited by Wii U and he ultimately thinks consoles in general will soon be dinosaurs.

    “I don’t see the Wii U and say ‘oh my God I have to have that.’ But with new hardware that’s usually the case; the software’s going to drive it. Or it’s like Apple and the hardware is so elegantly designed that it’s like, ‘Oh they make toilet plungers? I’ll buy it!’ I played some games, I enjoyed Rayman… it’s not like I’m knocking it but I would say that I wasn’t blown away by any individual piece of software that was exclusive to Wii U,” Jaffe commented.

    “I’ll go on the record and say that the next generation of hardware will be the last consoles. And they should be”

    David Jaffe

    “But their audience isn’t necessarily core gamers like you or the analysts you talk to, so I could still see Wii U being mainstream. But honestly though, if I had to put money down, I think that the iPhone and the iPad has basically taken the market that was so excited by the Wii and so I think Wii U is not going to be anywhere near the success of the Wii. But I don’t f***ing know - I mean I thought PSP was going to clobber the DS. I’m in the industry, I make a living in the industry, but I have no track record of guessing this shit.”

    Jaffe wanted to make it clear that he’s not bashing Nintendo. “Nintendo’s a great company and they’re creative and artistic and I wish them well. They’re forward thinking and I always want people like that to succeed,” he continued.

    The bottom line is that Jaffe believes consoles are on their last legs.

    “So while I don’t think it’s going to do as well as the Wii, I don’t think any of the consoles are going to do as well as they used to. It’s a declining market, I think. That doesn’t speak ill to any of them as pieces of hardware - it just speaks about the fact that the industry has changed, the business models have changed and the world has gotten even smaller with smartphones and tablets and the internet, and stuff like Gaikai and streaming.”

    “Look, consoles are going away. I think in 10 years - probably sooner, but 10 years is always the safe thing to say so you don’t sound like an idiot - but here’s what I’ll say: I’ll go on the record and say that the next generation of hardware will be the last consoles. And they should be,” Jaffe asserted.

    “The asteroid has hit the Earth, the dust cloud is covering the sun and the dinosaurs are on the way out”

    David Jaffe

    “It doesn’t mean you won’t buy a piece of hardware from Sony, but you’ll probably buy a television that streams the stuff. And you’ll still have Sony, loud and proud and strong making these great, big, epic games like God of War and Uncharted, and they’ll be making great little games like Sound Shapes, but they’ll become more like movie studios for video games. I’ll be able to stream in the next Uncharted and Plants vs Zombies and you won’t even think about it. It’ll just be like I can watch a public access show on my TV or I can watch Avatar.”

    Jaffe concluded, “So this is the last generation of consoles coming up. I’m going to go out on a limb, because why the f**k not? I don’t care if I’m wrong, I’m not a business guy. I think next-gen consoles are going to do 40 percent of [the sales volume] of the current gen hardware.”

    “The asteroid has hit the Earth, the dust cloud is covering the sun and the dinosaurs are on the way out - but not the games! We’ll always have great games and bleeding edge graphics… it’s just going to be a new delivery mechanism.”

    Source = Gameindustry

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  • 59 Comments

    1. ViperMM
      06-15-2012
      12:46 AM
      1

      <%Olga> Title: Game consoles will be extinct after next-gen, says Jaffe | PS3Hax Network
      <[MENTION=95160]ViperMM[/MENTION]-mIRC> is that jaffe guy a retard or something?
      <[MENTION=95160]ViperMM[/MENTION]-mIRC> even with the advent of cloud gaming cloud devices are technically still consoles
      <[MENTION=95160]ViperMM[/MENTION]-mIRC> it has all the inner workings of a console a controller and a box you hook up to a tv
      <[MENTION=95160]ViperMM[/MENTION]-mIRC> just because all the heavy processing is handled off site doesnt mean it isnt a console

    2. KMM
      06-15-2012
      12:50 AM
      2

      This guy has balls, and i believe in what he said.
      It will all go to the PC, way more powerful, a thousand times better graphics, "cheaper"
      you dont get RSOD or YLOD

      damn i have 3ps3 and 2 360s (im a repair dude) and barely use them,
      max payne looks so ****ty on console whereas on my pc its nice (my pc = ~400eur machine)

      **** all consoles

    3. ViperMM
      06-15-2012
      01:12 AM
      3

      you can get ylod because a pc can overheat too
      you can get rsod because you can get viruses on an open platform

    4. hellsing9
      06-15-2012
      01:12 AM
      4

      Originally Posted by KMM
      This guy has balls, and i believe in what he said.
      It will all go to the PC, way more powerful, a thousand times better graphics, "cheaper"
      you dont get RSOD or YLOD

      damn i have 3ps3 and 2 360s (im a repair dude) and barely use them,
      max payne looks so ****ty on console whereas on my pc its nice (my pc = ~400eur machine)

      **** all consoles
      I can agree in some points, but pc gaming it's a little more different than a console gaming.
      I respect both *sided* with their pros/cons.

    5. ViperMM
      06-15-2012
      01:42 AM
      5

      "It�ll just be like I can watch a public access show on my TV or I can watch Avatar." `Jaffe
      Avatar wasn't my favorite movie the year it came out (not saying it was bad just it wasn't as epic as people claim). I would rather watch this dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Ross than Avatar. I also enjoy the Red Green show and Antiques roadshow more than Avatar. Sad thing is I hardly watch public access anymore.

    6. Annelies
      06-15-2012
      01:43 AM
      6

      Why use a picture that makes him look like a jackass?

      And he is right. Console will not exist soon. Everything will be mobile eventually.

    7. hellsing9
      06-15-2012
      01:45 AM
      7

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      Why use a picture that makes him look like a jackass?

      And he is right. Console will not exist soon. Everything will be mobile eventually.
      Because the others that i found...he has the same face with that ironic smile :P

    8. ViperMM
      06-15-2012
      01:45 AM
      8

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      Why use a picture that makes him look like a jackass?
      He is a jackass. I get to use the term nostradumbass again, awesome. This guy is a serious nostradumbass.
      Annelies y u no irc anymoar

    9. poorguy
      06-15-2012
      01:47 AM
      9

      Jeffe simply means that all consoles have reached their final evolution stages and that no futher development can be imagined. We have the Move, the Wii (now Wii U), the Kinect and as far has hadrware levels are concerned thats their final stages. The only thing that can continue further is the processing software and manner of play. Plus, everybody has the right to have an opinion. Only time will tell how right Jeffe was. If u ask me, not far from the truth.

    10. ViperMM
      06-15-2012
      01:52 AM
      10

      Originally Posted by poorguy
      Jeffe simply means that all consoles have reached ...
      I disagree that no more can be added. First and foremost to that 3d is still in it's infancy. Hologram projection is far from end-user marketable. After Hologram touchable holograms like the holodeck on Star Trek.
      /me wants to bang the Spice girls
      Those are only video based technologies now take into account sound next.
      After sound try and work out better AI.
      Etc.
      EDIT: to clarify by better AI I mean full human brain emulation for each and every emulated human.

    11. Annelies
      06-15-2012
      01:55 AM
      11

      Originally Posted by ViperMM
      Annelies y u no irc anymoar
      I dunno. I just haven't felt like going in. Is my nick still registered? O_o

    12. poorguy
      06-15-2012
      01:58 AM
      12

      Originally Posted by ViperMM
      I disagree that no more can be added. First and foremost to that 3d is still in it's infancy. Hologram projection is far from end-user marketable. After Hologram touchable holograms like the holodeck on Star Trek.
      /me wants to bang the Spice girls
      Those are only video based technologies now take into account sound next.
      After sound try and work out better AI.
      Etc.
      EDIT: to clarify by better AI I mean full human brain emulation for each and every emulated human.
      I stand corrected. U had me at 3D the AI clarification. There still is a lot of level playing field left there. But I don't have high hopes on hologram technology. And what possible developments in sound..???

    13. ViperMM
      06-15-2012
      02:21 AM
      13

      Originally Posted by poorguy
      I stand corrected. U had me at 3D the AI clarification. There still is a lot of level playing field left there. But I don't have high hopes on hologram technology. And what possible developments in sound..???
      Sound... smaller and many many many more speakers.. heck 5-7.1 is pretty standard these days. As you see on the leaked Orbis specs 11.1. Heck I would actually like to see surround sound come right out of the TV. They could do this by shooting sound across the room and bouncing it off walls.


      Okay, I have just realized this guy is right. 2012 Mayan prophecy. xD Okay, Okay last bit is trolling I still think he's wrong.

    14. poorguy
      06-15-2012
      02:26 AM
      14

      Originally Posted by ViperMM
      Sound... smaller and many many many more speakers.. heck 5-7.1 is pretty standard these days. As you see on the leaked Orbis specs 11.1. Heck I would actually like to see surround sound come right out of the TV. They could do this by shooting sound across the room and bouncing it off walls.


      Okay, I have just realized this guy is right. 2012 Mayan prophecy. xD Okay, Okay last bit is trolling I still think he's wrong.
      Come on... "Mayan prophecy"... And its simple I suppose.. the louder the better, right????

    15. Cheesethief
      06-15-2012
      02:30 AM
      15

      I would rather not give full authority of my paid for merchandise to some company holding servers hostage.

      How would I play when the internet was down? Not at all. Cloud gaming sounds like the future, but it is one I would rather not be in.

      Also, how would gaming companies make people buy new hardware when the people already know that processing is being taken care of by a remote server?

    16. WalangAlam
      06-15-2012
      02:30 AM
      16

      PC needs vc, mobo, mem upgrades to catch up with the latest games which cost much. I never upgraded my x360 and ps3 yet I'm still happy with their graphics.

      If those handhelds, smartphones, ipads, etc have 32" to 59" display then I will go mobile. Nothing beats playing in a wide screen.

    17. Annelies
      06-15-2012
      02:37 AM
      17

      Originally Posted by WalangAlam
      PC needs vc, mobo, mem upgrades to catch up with the latest games which cost much. I never upgraded my x360 and ps3 yet I'm still happy with their graphics.

      If those handhelds, smartphones, ipads, etc have 32" to 59" display then I will go mobile. Nothing beats playing in a wide screen.
      An $800 gaming PC would suffice your gaming needs from now all the way until the end of the next gaming generation. That is only $200 more than what the PS3 costed at launch and it runs laps around it.

    18. SuperDre
      06-15-2012
      02:54 AM
      18

      Originally Posted by KMM
      This guy has balls, and i believe in what he said.
      It will all go to the PC, way more powerful, a thousand times better graphics, "cheaper"
      you dont get RSOD or YLOD
      No, it WON't go to the PC, it will go to cloudgaming, which requires nothing but a simple display and a controller, even the PS3 or xbox360 can be used for cloudgaming..
      And sorry, but PC's also get RSOD or YLOD, I've already had 2 graphicscards overheat due to bad cooling, I've seen soooo many defect motherboards, memoryunits go bad, or HDD's/SSD's crash..

      I too think the nextgen consoles are the last consoles, everything will just go cloudgaming through your TV (samsung is already putting it into their TV's). Also for publishers cloudgaming is much MUCH more interesting as it isn't possible to pirate the specific games anymore, also for gamers it's interesting as they get a netflix like account, so you can play any game which the service has (which will continue to grow exponential and also contain retro games) for a specifc ammount per month.. Ofcourse it will take some time before this will actually take off for mainstream due to the need of a good internet connection.. I think in about 10 years we'll all game through services like GaiKai and OnLive (next to the old games on our old consoles)..

    19. japsander
      06-15-2012
      03:02 AM
      19

      this is bull**** IMO

      there is still a vast amount of areas with little to no access to high speed internet access and that is not going to change anytime soon as suppliers are too busy speeding up access to existing fiber networks and ignoring those millions still on copper wire connections.
      in major cities/towns 50mb broadband
      villages and rural towns = up to 8mb adsl lol (avg 1-4mb) look for example how much of the uk is rural lol and providers have no interest in upgrading them as their main profit comes from cities where they have competition.

      in UK there is no consideration even for LLU unless 1000 residential properties in the area want it. many exchanges only cater for 500-1000 so they are never up for a change

      its all well and good someone with unlimited bandwidth and hyperspeed internet making these claims because they see it through rose tinted glasses.

      there is no way the manufacturers will purposely throw away sales from these people. to do so is suicide.

      if we all had nice connections with no limits then i would agree but playing gakai / onlive on standard adsl connections is like playing ps2/xbox 1 again. i was in the gakai beta program and even when my connection reached an all time high of 4.5mb adsl (not download speed) with a ping of 50 the experience was very disappointing and i am considered to have a good quality broadband connection for rural. even now, the experience is no better.

      are the manufacturers going to state that all those in rural areas are not permitted to game? i think not.

    20. EiKi
      06-15-2012
      03:09 AM
      20

      would be nice tho to have my ps5 built into my 89" sony super led bio cellar tv, xD srry just had to hehe

    21. marty370
      06-15-2012
      03:25 AM
      21

      He's bount to say consoles will be dead after next gen, he's promoting his new games studio, that just happens to be making browser based games.

      Well considering consoles now have browsers, ther is no reason to believe consoles will be dead after next gen.

      Not everybody wants iphone/ipad gaming, they make very poor gaming machines. Consoles will always be miles better. Touch controls don't cut it.

    22. KMM
      06-15-2012
      03:26 AM
      22

      Originally Posted by SuperDre
      No, it WON't go to the PC, it will go to cloudgaming, which requires nothing but a simple display and a controller, even the PS3 or xbox360 can be used for cloudgaming..
      And sorry, but PC's also get RSOD or YLOD, I've already had 2 graphicscards overheat due to bad cooling, I've seen soooo many defect motherboards, memoryunits go bad, or HDD's/SSD's crash..

      I too think the nextgen consoles are the last consoles, everything will just go cloudgaming through your TV (samsung is already putting it into their TV's). Also for publishers cloudgaming is much MUCH more interesting as it isn't possible to pirate the specific games anymore, also for gamers it's interesting as they get a netflix like account, so you can play any game which the service has (which will continue to grow exponential and also contain retro games) for a specifc ammount per month.. Ofcourse it will take some time before this will actually take off for mainstream due to the need of a good internet connection.. I think in about 10 years we'll all game through services like GaiKai and OnLive (next to the old games on our old consoles)..
      if graphic cards overheat they're either faulty or cheap chinese crap, hdds crash on every system yeh thats right

      but lets say you dont have warranty anymore and your graphic card crashes,
      how long does it take till you can continue gaming and how much does it cost?!!
      if your ps3s graphic card crashes you have to buy a new ps3...

      cloud gaming still requires capable hardware, it just removes the need for HDD
      get it straight, PC would also be the best cloud "entertainment" system

      and another fact, if you build a PC to have the same crappy laggy graphics as PS3/360 you'd have to pay the around the same amount of money for said PC

      the only thing that keeps me playing my PS3 is tekken
      but only because i live in f'in germany and here are no arcades at all

    23. marty370
      06-15-2012
      03:37 AM
      23

      PC arn't for newbie's, they can be a headache to get games work. Due to the amount of different specs on the market.

      Console are simple to use, put a disc in install and play.

      Can't see consoles going away soon as many like the easy plug and play solution to gaming.

    24. Annelies
      06-15-2012
      03:54 AM
      24

      When consoles die it will cost significantly less to build a gaming PC due to millions of people being forced to buy into it.

      Consoles dying will actually benefit the gaming industry when you think about it....

      Developers probably won't feel as "restricted" for one.

      We will actually get more games that are natively in 1080P and consoles today don't even play games in HD. We are lucky to get games in 720P... and those even poorly at times.

      Games will be CHEAPER since every game will be distributed digitally, and Steam ALWAYS has crazy sales.

      You can use a keyboard/mouse OR a controller for ANY game you play unlike consoles that limit the way you're allowed to play by confining you to a controller 99% of the time.
      there is nothing a console can do that a PC can't do ten times better.

      Etc..

    25. mikhael
      06-15-2012
      03:58 AM
      25

      I agreed with Japsander.

      To have for example, a game like God of War in a Cloud...you would need a pretty fast internet connection. Not to mention...without falls.

      You have the example of Diablo III, that the servers cant handle so many users.

      And even if the internet speeds increase, so will the graphics and the amount of data being stream.
      And at this point, i can see games evolving much faster than the internet speed...

      And many ppl dont like to be logon to the internet, just to play a game (even if its just campaign mode).

      I think that are to many factors to be solve in just 10years...("to not sound ridiculous") lol

    26. VIRGIN KLM
      06-15-2012
      04:20 AM
      26

      While what he says about the next gen console sales might be correct and for sure is going to turn out that way (we already have the best example, the Vita), every other statement he does is equal to what a 5 year old would think which is sad for a videogame industry businessman...

      If there is something to blame the dissapearance of consoles and the very-very-very decreased sales numbers that would be nothing else than:

      1.Global economy crysis

      2.People being unimpressed by the hardware specifications of the console, which now everybody knows that he can't invest such big amount of money to a device that has such low specifications because it's lifespan will end very quickly and he'll have to buy another device/console which would be a tottal waste of money.

      3.Costumers being unpleased or pi$$ed off by some incidents or moves the company of the console they are interested in did in the past, being very sceptic to buy a console or not or even wait for a huge pricedrop or most commonly boycooting them completely. The thing is that the company that developed the console needs to cover up the money they invested in the development period of the console and this mostly relies on the high prices of the launch date sales and the period before a pricedrop. With that stance by the consumers (sceptic/waiting for pricedrop/boycooting and all of them combined) obviously this is impossible so the companies have to make some huge decisions, and nearly all of them have a very-very-very bad ending like cancellation of the console, merging and bankruptcy.

      See how all the above statements I did are connected? All because of money and the global crysis is because of all those facts.

      Also I'll make in a simple paragraph with not many words why what he says about the extinction of consoles and his statements about it are sooo wrong:

      Not all consumers, or even better, not even the majority of them are pleased either by smartphone gaming or cloud gaming or even PC gaming, and even more, they don't seem to care about their fast rising in performance and power, but even more intrestingly, the day that things will change about how consumers think about those things will not come any soon, I could even say not even in the near-to-distant future and ALL videogame companies know that and this is what they keep investing in the field.

    27. DrWho198
      06-15-2012
      04:59 AM
      27

      I think what Jaffe is trying to say is that he indeed believes in cloud gaming. But just like japsander says it's not realistic to believe in such a thing in the near future (10years is the near future if you are talking about such things :P).

      My reasoning:
      [SPOILER]Not only does it require fast connections but it requires very powerful servers as well. Don't forget that you need servers that can play many thousands/millions of games at once and all fluently at very high resolution. The standard for graphics will probably by a lot higher compared to what we have now so that makes it even harder to do. Next they'll have to compress every frame and stream all the sound to the end user. Do you really believe that's possible? Maybe in the next century when humans find out a whole new kind of electronics, but not in 10 years.

      It might be Sony's wet dream though, no one could hack their console that way. The only thing you get at home is a terminal that shows the streaming.

      On his behalf I will admit that these next gen consoles will probably bring us dark times for the console market. They are pumped with gimmicks that don't improve gameplay at all. Sure, some people do buy a console for the hype. Thats why WII had such good sales when it was released. People buy one and are fund of the pointing/motion sensing... but soon after they get bored with it and even want games that DON'T use it. It's not practicle to play games with your arms in the air all the time. And now they are making a console with a controller that is as large as, or even larger than portable gaming systems. And what scares me is that companies like Sony try to follow them in that direction.[/SPOILER]

      Personally I would love it if they put the money of all the gimmicks in a second processor. That would improve gameplay and would really bring us NEXT-Gen. Making the choice between PC and console easier since it would be like the old days. Consoles are made for gaming and arn't just PC's in a plug'n'play box.

      Then again, that's just my thoughts... what do I know about what the future will bring?... I've only been watching what happened in the past and what flunked back than. And it tells me that if things continue, then it'll probably mean a second dark time for the gaming industry.

      Originally Posted by mikhael
      And many ppl dont like to be logon to the internet, just to play a game (even if its just campaign mode).
      I'm not saying you are wrong because I don't believe in clouding either. But the way technology is going now, those games would probably be streamed with your TV signal. Just like 'video on demand'. But that doesn't solve the fact that they need super powerful servers.

    28. marty370
      06-15-2012
      05:37 AM
      28

      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      While what he says about the next gen console sales might be correct and for sure is going to turn out that way (we already have the best example, the Vita), every other statement he does is equal to what a 5 year old would think which is sad for a videogame industry businessman...

      If there is something to blame the dissapearance of consoles and the very-very-very decreased sales numbers that would be nothing else than:

      1.Global economy crysis

      2.People being unimpressed by the hardware specifications of the console, which now everybody knows that he can't invest such big amount of money to a device that has such low specifications because it's lifespan will end very quickly and he'll have to buy another device/console which would be a tottal waste of money.

      3.Costumers being unpleased or pi$$ed off by some incidents or moves the company of the console they are interested in did in the past, being very sceptic to buy a console or not or even wait for a huge pricedrop or most commonly boycooting them completely. The thing is that the company that developed the console needs to cover up the money they invested in the development period of the console and this mostly relies on the high prices of the launch date sales and the period before a pricedrop. With that stance by the consumers (sceptic/waiting for pricedrop/boycooting and all of them combined) obviously this is impossible so the companies have to make some huge decisions, and nearly all of them have a very-very-very bad ending like cancellation of the console, merging and bankruptcy.

      See how all the above statements I did are connected? All because of money and the global crysis is because of all those facts.

      Also I'll make in a simple paragraph with not many words why what he says about the extinction of consoles and his statements about it are sooo wrong:

      Not all consumers, or even better, not even the majority of them are pleased either by smartphone gaming or cloud gaming or even PC gaming, and even more, they don't seem to care about their fast rising in performance and power, but even more intrestingly, the day that things will change about how consumers think about those things will not come any soon, I could even say not even in the near-to-distant future and ALL videogame companies know that and this is what they keep investing in the field.
      Agree with some of your comments, like smart phones be hopless as gaming machines.

      But I disagree about consoles not lasting long. PS2 is enjoying a ten year+ life(it's still selling/been sold/ and supported by devs/Sony).

      PS3 and PSP will also enjoyatleast 10 year life span(with suport from devs/Sony).

    29. MAX_Pain
      06-15-2012
      05:43 AM
      29

      I think he is right, maybe not about the timing. Not until we get descent speeds and good ping times can they deploy a successful system. This would be the best way to go, really you pay a monthly/yearly fee like say hmm... Xbox live. But here's the cool thing all the games you can play free of charge and in the best quality since all hardware is on there end. This would would make them more money as people who can't afford a system at $300+ can afford a monthly charge and can play on anything that supports there client/app and anywhere there is a good internet connection. The downfall is an always on good internet connection. I do believe it is the future but I don't think where that close to it yet. If they went this way they would be leaving a lot of there customers in the dark.

    30. KMM
      06-15-2012
      06:07 AM
      30

      "good" ping times would not be enough
      ping would have to be on LAN level (below 1ms)
      i dont think that will happen in the next 20years

      internet speed would also have to be a lot faster
      i have very fast internet (100mbit) but thats not even close to being enough for that kind of clouding
      imo 1gbit+ is sufficient... who has that at home?!? lol


      @PC not being plug'n'play
      im still waiting for the moment that a company just makes a gaming linux
      that would be noob friendly and a lot better than windows
      (i know that opengl is as sad as it is not as powerful as directx but still...)

    31. marty370
      06-15-2012
      07:12 AM
      31

      Originally Posted by KMM
      "good" ping times would not be enough
      ping would have to be on LAN level (below 1ms)
      i dont think that will happen in the next 20years

      internet speed would also have to be a lot faster
      i have very fast internet (100mbit) but thats not even close to being enough for that kind of clouding
      imo 1gbit+ is sufficient... who has that at home?!? lol


      @PC not being plug'n'play
      im still waiting for the moment that a company just makes a gaming linux
      that would be noob friendly and a lot better than windows
      (i know that opengl is as sad as it is not as powerful as directx but still...)
      Why is OpenGL not as powerful as DirectX, think your misinformed.

      PS3 uses OpenGLES and the 360 uses DirectX, PS3 games look equally as good if not better in some cases.

      About internet speeds, it's not just about speed. Speed is getting faster all the time, it's having it affordable for the majority.

    32. Dominator7
      06-15-2012
      07:18 AM
      32

      I believe everything's going towards globalization and everything's gonna be unified and controlled by organizations for applying censorship and avoid pirating. All will be available via the internet and life in general will be limited.
      That's how I see things and it's not pretty...

    33. getout
      06-15-2012
      07:48 AM
      33

      Originally Posted by KMM
      "good" ping times would not be enough
      ping would have to be on LAN level (below 1ms)
      i dont think that will happen in the next 20years
      a ping of below 1ms? yeah right, as far as we know, nothing travels faster than light (300 000 km/s)...
      Even for light to travel 1000km, it takes 3.3ms.
      So unless they have servers every 100km or so, and data can be transmitted at the speed of light (sending alone is not enough, it has to be processed as well) pings of lower then 1ms are, at this point, very unlikely.

      Certainly when playing multiplayer games...

    34. Squarepusher2
      06-15-2012
      07:55 AM
      34

      Originally Posted by marty370
      Why is OpenGL not as powerful as DirectX, think your misinformed.

      PS3 uses OpenGLES and the 360 uses DirectX, PS3 games look equally as good if not better in some cases.

      About internet speeds, it's not just about speed. Speed is getting faster all the time, it's having it affordable for the majority.
      No, only very few games on PS3 have used OpenGL ES (ie. PSGL - OpenGL ES 1.1) because the performance was lacking. Besides, PSGL on PS3 is just a wrapper for libgcm, so it's still libgcm. (only with the overhead of PSGL on top of it)

      Almost all games on PS3 use the low-level graphics API libgcm. PSGL is pretty much dead and Sony has effectively abandoned it since almost no game developer wants to use it.

    35. KMM
      06-15-2012
      08:58 AM
      35

      Originally Posted by getout
      a ping of below 1ms? yeah right, as far as we know, nothing travels faster than light (300 000 km/s)...
      Even for light to travel 1000km, it takes 3.3ms.
      So unless they have servers every 100km or so, and data can be transmitted at the speed of light (sending alone is not enough, it has to be processed as well) pings of lower then 1ms are, at this point, very unlikely.

      Certainly when playing multiplayer games...
      whats your point?
      I already said or more or less explained why its BS and that it will not happen, "not in the next 20years" or more likely "never" xD


      [MENTION=128166]DirecT[/MENTION]x-opengl
      the 360 only utilises directx9c...

    36. getout
      06-15-2012
      09:19 AM
      36

      Originally Posted by KMM
      whats your point?
      I already said or more or less explained why its BS and that it will not happen, "not in the next 20years" or more likely "never" xD
      you said: <1ms ping and +1Gbit bandwith. ==> my point: only the bandwith is achievable in the near future....

      I'm just pointing out that there is a limit on the achievable ping and that your "20 year timeframe" is very optimistic. it is, like you said, more likely to be "never".

      On bandwith, there is no such limit. 1Gbit will be in your home sooner than you think. (remember 56k? and look at where we are +/-10 years later)

    37. KMM
      06-15-2012
      10:37 AM
      37

      i just wanted to point out that you need a ping of under 1ms to fully enjoy the game
      because we always have to add all delays like mouse/keyboard/display-delay
      (imo display-delay is still way too high an "all" lcd displays)

      ofc thats impossible, thats my point
      its impossible = its bs to talk like cloud gaming in the way they want it will ever happen
      but i think they will still do it and it will be the worst gaming experience ever
      but they will just give a **** about it like all those ps3 games with massive fsp drops
      truth is most console gamers have no clue about nothing,
      they dont even notice the fps drops

      i thought (back when the ps3 was released) i can expect 1080p at 60fps on every game
      reality is most games are 720p @ 30fps which is just sad

    38. ViperMM
      06-15-2012
      11:20 AM
      38

      My whole thought on the network bandwidth thing is this: Yes it is possible, No Not yet.
      A question for each and every person who disagrees. Does your NetFlix/ Youtube page load instantly? I didn't think so. Gaming is a very time sensitive activity. Even a moments lag will get you fragged (250ms is completely unacceptable). Also to the person who said how will they make us buy new consoles: simply put they won't, You buy either a subscription(monthly etc.) or you buy play time.

    39. levendi2nv
      06-15-2012
      12:22 PM
      39

      Consoles will not die for a long time in my opinion, there will always be new innovative ideas implemented into future consoles, we just cannot imagine how so yet. Besides i still think little kids are going to be like "mommy mommy daddy daddy, i want the playstation 5!!" and so on lol

    40. SuperDre
      06-15-2012
      01:12 PM
      40

      Originally Posted by marty370
      Why is OpenGL not as powerful as DirectX, think your misinformed.
      But that's just the beauty of cloudgaming, it doesn't require openGL or DirectX, it just needs a fast framebuffer and that's about it (yes ofcourse it needs hardware accelerated encoding, but that's not the biggest problem these days).. cloudgaming is really nothing more than watching a realtime generated streamed movie with you being able to influence using your controller.. Actually it might even make online gaming more fair, cheating isn't possible anymore (except for controller modification, but that's easily countered/detected)..

    41. henry caine
      06-15-2012
      04:11 PM
      41

      I just checked out gakai it let u play games over the net all u need is a pc and a game pad which is optional cuz u can use mouse and keyboard it as mass effect 2, 3 dead space 2 and many more but so far it only has 20 games and u can play the demos for free its awesome consoles makers should sell disc games but only allow online play using cloud this would destroy cheating if they go all cloud i'll have to go legit but 4 now yo ho ho a pirate's life 4 me

    42. jc_gargma
      06-15-2012
      05:23 PM
      42

      Console gaming will die because the annoyances of data installations, DRM, CD-keys, pointless background clients, clouded content, corporate spyware, always on, and account activation that used to be restricted to PC will be standard fare on consoles in the next generation.
      With all these things, there isn't any reason to put up with a closed system on top.

    43. BobbyBlunt
      06-15-2012
      05:55 PM
      43

      I like the creative vision of David Jaffe. He created one of my favorite characters in video game history, but he is also a bit eccentric at times. As much as I would like to agree with him, I dont see consoles leaving. If anything they will be replaced with cloud gaming boxes, but that would still be a console.

    44. Annelies
      06-15-2012
      05:59 PM
      44

      Originally Posted by BobbyBlunt
      I like the creative vision of David Jaffe. He created one of my favorite characters in video game history, but he is also a bit eccentric at times. As much as I would like to agree with him, I dont see consoles leaving. If anything they will be replaced with cloud gaming boxes, but that would still be a console.
      They will be replaced with do-it-all cell phones that are capable of connecting to your TV that can do cloud gaming.

      More of a platform than a console.

      Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk

    45. defyboy
      06-15-2012
      07:49 PM
      45

      It's funny, I heard this exact quote after the PS1 and the PS2 also.

    46. Annelies
      06-15-2012
      08:10 PM
      46

      Originally Posted by defyboy
      It's funny, I heard this exact quote after the PS1 and the PS2 also.
      Lies! You heard nothing! >.<

    47. Pockets69
      06-16-2012
      12:46 AM
      47

      yes yes mr jaffe of course they will, mostly because consoles do not sell... oh wait... Nevermind.

    48. advocatusdiaboli
      06-16-2012
      06:43 AM
      48

      Originally Posted by KMM
      It will all go to the PC, way more powerful, a thousand times better graphics, "cheaper"
      Mostly the reason for no more consoles, is probably faster internet connections and no need for a physical distribution channel. I doubt there will be PCs in 5 years; that said, I mean as boxes, as the need for most people can be hosted inside a wrist watch. Apple�s new iOS for TVs might actually become the way more content providers will go in 2-5 years time.

    49. nobleskill
      06-16-2012
      08:16 AM
      49

      Well its like most of these guys who live disconnected from the average person. the statement hold true simply because of the simplistic point it makes. arguably we are already a fair way towards the DEDICATED games console being extinct. if he means that machines like the Nintendo 64, ps1 and the wii that are solely designed, made, marketed and used for playing games are not here for much longer well except for the wii this is already true of the current Gen machines. Ps3 is a blueRay player and could be sold and used solely for that but its also a music player in digital and physical terms, a internet device (of sorts) and so on. yes it's marketed as gaming machine but I personally would not have one but for the other features. I have a second ps3 for its HD audio bitstreaming ability (such as it is) for a mid/low cost compared to dedicated players. Xbox 360 tried to also be a new Gen HD media player and mostly succeeded (hddvd. being replaced with Netflix!!) but it plays DVDs too and music in different mediums. The wii is an odd exception but recently I've noticed its application as a communication device and also an exercise machine (go figure huh)

      TVs already have games, internet and other systems by default and so do phones. blueray players have DTV tuners, pvr and so on. LG has been moving this way for a long time with pvr TVs and internet and communications featuring in the newer sets from them and others like Samsung. the Nokia ngage almost hit the mark and the new Sony Android phones are almost there too as leading edge game devices.

      but is it a smart business model to try and combine the cuttinh edge of everything in one device? not really IMO. development of new tech moves at different speeds for different techs so you would have extremely expensive devices that would have next Gen games in a device that has a much different rate of advancement. Games/graphics ect have moved so much quicker than say movie playback. VHS - DVD - BD (like tape to CD and then... DVD kinda) was a long process but in the same time we have seen as an example : nes - snes -n64 - wii with gameboy - gameboy color - super gameboy (I think it was called) the failed 3d gameboy - DS - dsi - the big DS -3ds. mobile phones, not even going to try and run a timeline on the models and speed of their development. Sega was another good example from its first Gen console to its Saturn with Mega CD extra in the middle being a steady and fast evolution.

      so yes we will see devices being combined and cross bred and new delivery mechanics for the content (mp3, streamed vids, and dynamic news reporting already show the desire to move from static hard mediums to digital and dynamic... much to the big companies distress) but we will always have subsections and groups of people who value one feature over another so its silly to believe a gamer will be happy with anything but the cutting edge as movie buffs will no more forgo better picture and sound so a company can have an easier and more convenient manufacturing and distribution system. to orchestrate a synchronous development timeline on everything along with the same product life while still being a single machine will simply never happen or be affordable even if it was possible...

      there will always be the next Gen gaming with current or emerging digital media tacked on to these machines but I doubt you will see a time when games are the secondary feature on a device and that satisfying the gamers market or desire for the next advancement while the other techs catch up . perhaps as Android grows the lines will be further blurred but PC's or tvs will never fully replace the console machine as the console machine will never be a top end PC or TV or even media player... dedicated enthusiasts of the different things will always pay the premium to have their passion that little bit better and the only way this can happen is with devices having primary functions and other feature added in.

    50. Rax909
      06-16-2012
      10:38 AM
      50

      There is nothing to debate. This guy is an idiot. There will always be Game consoles. And if there isn't any new ones after Xbox 720 and Ps4 most likely third party companies will make duplicates of them like there is duplicates of the NES/famicom and Genesis and Snes/Super Famicom that you can buy. Even handheld versions of the NES and Snes systems. Companies willing to make those are the companies that will keep consoles on this world. Not to mention new consoles are being announced as we speak. I was just told last night that Microsoft is making their own handheld video game system. I mean hello...you got to be really stupid to "assume" they won't exist.

    51. GregoryRasputin
      06-16-2012
      10:45 AM
      51

      Originally Posted by Rax909
      There is nothing to debate. This guy is an idiot.
      OMG, i never, ever thought in my entire time at this forum, that i would agree with you on anything, but you are correct, Jaffe is an idiot.

    52. ps3hacker12
      06-16-2012
      11:08 AM
      52

      Originally Posted by getout
      a ping of below 1ms? yeah right, as far as we know, nothing travels faster than light (300 000 km/s)...
      Even for light to travel 1000km, it takes 3.3ms.
      So unless they have servers every 100km or so, and data can be transmitted at the speed of light (sending alone is not enough, it has to be processed as well) pings of lower then 1ms are, at this point, very unlikely.

      Certainly when playing multiplayer games...
      Do you not understand what LAN is?
      LAN= local area network eg your home network. Do you really have 1000km of wiring in your home or office going from one PC to another? Doubt it.


      Sent from my me at home from my fingers typing the above message... using Tapatalk

    53. hellsing9
      06-16-2012
      12:14 PM
      53

      Originally Posted by Rax909
      There is nothing to debate. This guy is an idiot. There will always be Game consoles. And if there isn't any new ones after Xbox 720 and Ps4 most likely third party companies will make duplicates of them like there is duplicates of the NES/famicom and Genesis and Snes/Super Famicom that you can buy. Even handheld versions of the NES and Snes systems. Companies willing to make those are the companies that will keep consoles on this world. Not to mention new consoles are being announced as we speak. I was just told last night that Microsoft is making their own handheld video game system. I mean hello...you got to be really stupid to "assume" they won't exist.
      There's one sad but true real statement from his side. He works in game industry we don't.

      "I�m in the industry, I make a living in the industry, but I have no track record of guessing this ****.�
      Like it or not, they guy is entitled to have an opinion. As we can spent all 9 pages of *****ing how this guy is a total ******.

    54. Nimation
      06-16-2012
      04:08 PM
      54

      I don't agree with that. I'm not in the mood to say why but it's all crappy.

    55. Shattered Skies
      06-16-2012
      10:03 PM
      55

      Its true, it just might not happen after next Gen. We might have to wait a while longer.
      I mean.. why would you buy something for 399$ "Example Price" when you could easily get a desktop that could perform better.

      Honestly most people want to play consoles in my opinion because of easy access online, controllers "which can be used on computers, K&M superior though" and exclusives.

      Consoles will die out, its just a matter of time. Eventually a company will ruin something and each one to follow. Such as EA for instance, charging 10$ to get online and play if you bought a used game.

      It will happen..

      Sent from my ADR6300 using Tapatalk 2

    56. armchairplum
      06-19-2012
      09:42 AM
      56

      The reason is that they offer a standard platform that people can buy.

      Sure PC is superior because it can be upgraded and is constantly improving while consoles just age. But PC's can be expensive and confusing for new people to the gaming market.

      When consoles are first released they are a perfect combination of hardware + performance in a portable factor. Better yet as time progresses they still manage to squeeze more detail out of the console.

    57. BGMaxie
      06-19-2012
      12:39 PM
      57

      The game industry has developed and changed a lot. It involves a lot of money and new techniques to produce games and stuff. I'm not SO sure that consoles are done for as he says. I for my part can't imagine another "delivery system" apart from consoles.

    58. theghost11
      06-19-2012
      01:27 PM
      58

      Good. Focus on arcade machines again. Make neckbeards leave their basements to play video games.

    59. japsander
      06-19-2012
      03:06 PM
      59

      Originally Posted by theghost11
      Good. Focus on arcade machines again. Make neckbeards leave their basements to play video games.
      nope, "neckbeards" like me would buy more arcade machines and still stay at home