The trailer feature in E3 caused quite a fuzz. Crystal Dynamics studio is creating from scratch the history of how our favourite Icon became a climbing/survival and almost invincible girl.
All this fuzz consisted in adding more realistic *content* in order to justify how Lara ended being a cold hearted person.
One scene (among many others) show us how she manages to survive a *possible sexual assault* plus all bad situations that possible can happen to a sweet innocent girl, struggling for her life in an unknown island filled with psychos.
What you think? they gone too far?.
Here is what Crystal Dynamics said about this:
Crystal Dynamics head Darrell Gallagher and game producer Ron Rosenberg expressed their views on reactions to the violentTomb Raider trailer shown at E3.
In one part of the video, Lara appears to be fending off a would-be raper, kneeing him in the groin and struggling to shoot him when he pins her to the ground.
“To actually see what she goes through, to become hardened, to become this tomb raider than we know and love, or at least a new version of it,” Gallagher told the Penny Arcade Report. “A big part of that journey is seeing some of the hits she’s taken along the way and why she had to get that inner strength and the inner core to become the woman that we all know. There is that sense of seeing it and being explicit about that. It’s part of the narrative.”
Rosenberg explained that the emphasis on Lara’s suffering was intentional — and that their research into survivors of extreme situations revealed a common mantra: keep moving.
“You see that in the beginning of the game, where we begin to build her up and give her confidence to cross the ledge, cross the plane, she forages for food and she’s feeling really successful,” Rosenberg said. “Then towards the end we start to really hit her, and to break her down. Her best friend is kidnapped, she’s taken hostage, she’s almost raped, we put her in this position where we turned her into a cornered animal.”
Tomb Raider, scheduled for release on March 5 of next year, is better considered as a reboot than a prequel. The Lara Croft that we’ve seen before is not necessarily the one we’ll know by the end of the new game.
“They share many traits so you can recognize the iconography, it’s the same character, but it’s a more modern version,” said Gallagher. “It doesn’t necessarily lead directly into Tomb Raider 1, with hot pants and a braid.”
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I can’t stop thinking on this: Do the evolution baby!
06-09-2012
06:46 AM
Clearly some people have not heard of Illusion :P
06-09-2012
06:49 AM
Games = Virtual Reality.
:P I have to admit, i saw the E3 trailer and it's too much for a virtual character, too many bad situations since day 0.
Big falls/ribs broken/etc.
06-09-2012
06:49 AM
Nice! O___O
06-09-2012
06:58 AM
theres rape or nearly rape in films
1 example is girl with a dragon tatoo
there should be no problem with having rape in games aswell
it only a game..
06-09-2012
07:05 AM
The line is too thin in this case.
06-09-2012
07:08 AM
OMG is everything got to be so PC, It is a game.
06-09-2012
07:26 AM
if we do that, we are gonna get crap games with no imagination
there is no line to cross, its just a game
06-09-2012
07:34 AM
Games suck
We can run over people in cars.
Shoot them in the head with a sniper rifle.
Rape people.
Attack Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc.
But we cant attack America
We cant attack the UK
We cant kill the President of America, the Queen of England or The English Prime Minister etc....
06-09-2012
07:34 AM
I think the problem lies in the new type of game this will be. I'm with most in that the content is adult content and games that are made for adults should be played by adults same with movies. What's concerning is that it feels like the people who made the game are trying to compete with several different game genres in Tomb Raider. Did anyone else feel like they were watching scenes out of Resident Evil 4, Assassin's Creed, and Uncharted? If that's the case then Tomb Raider is no longer Tomb Raider, but a feeble attemplt at making it darker while trying to make it seem cool. I mean did you really want to see Lara Croft go through something like that, as a fan it didn't feel appropriate.
06-09-2012
07:40 AM
Rape is a horrible thing, but so is dismembering people, shooting them in the face, blowing them up, dropping napalm on them, running over people in a tank, etc, etc, etc.
People just need to wiser the hell up and realize that its only a game and that she doesn't actually get raped, she knees someone in the nutts who is holding her down, that's it, no big deal.
06-09-2012
07:47 AM
Megadeth - Kick The Chair - YouTube
Also look at any pre-9/11/2001 copy of Grand Theft Auto 3(very last mission).
Also herp derp but... umm... Nude raider???? Same friggin thing dudes.
EDIT: To clarify all you nerds playing with the Nude Raider patch are basically eye raping Lara, since you don't have either her or the developers permission to use this patch.... Also people have been sued for it so it is illegal and in my book rape.
06-09-2012
08:04 AM
"only a game" ............. Cant wait to play this : )
06-09-2012
08:22 AM
Yes it Is 'only a game' and sh*t like rape happens every day, but, and a Huge BUT.............
to be part of Any interactive media that involves rape at best desensitises people, and at worst, the pillocks will 'get off' on it and maybe even take it to the next Real step (plenty of proof around for people emulating their gaming heroes)
06-09-2012
08:22 AM
06-09-2012
08:25 AM
And sometimes a player with some *distorted reality syndrome* can emulate what happened in the game. (not the first time, neither the last one that you will see that on the news).
http://www.cleancutmedia.com/news/te...er-over-halo-3
06-09-2012
08:27 AM
06-09-2012
08:29 AM
06-09-2012
08:30 AM
There is already something wrong with these pillocks and they will commit crimes with or without a "game" IMO
06-09-2012
08:31 AM
06-09-2012
09:23 AM
this boy most likely has mental problems
06-09-2012
09:27 AM
**** happens, i just named one case of hundreds per year.
06-09-2012
09:29 AM
What a lot of crap about nothing, you see her in a very realistic situation and she's defending herself like we know her to be, she might be about to be raped but the bad guy doesn't even get a chance, so what's the big deal?
I've seen worse stuff in a lot of TV-shows which are for kids (8-14)....
06-09-2012
10:11 AM
Nah. No thanks.. Its too negative and depression. Sickening and disgusting. They are gone too far!
06-09-2012
10:37 AM
I think every healthy man/lesbian wants to rape her in his/her fantasy so what is the point of this news? Only that they make it a kind of visible in a game? If you don't like it, don't buy it... has been always my motto
In the future it will go a lot further than this, cybersex is around the corner. It is just the dark side of human kind we see here. That's life...
06-09-2012
10:39 AM
I guess it is Eminem's fault that Stan kills himself and his family.
http://www.mtv.com/videos/eminem/8558/stan.jhtml
06-09-2012
10:45 AM
TV shows are TV shows and people know that and unless they have some problem anyway, they cause no real problem.
Games are different, as the player/viewer Does get involved with the situation and to one degree or another their body reacts as if they were actually there.
Football games are a prime example, and I am talking about watching a real live game not playing a simulation on your console. The viewer will scream for his/her team to win and their body will react in a way that mimics how it would react as if they were on the pitch because they can envision themselves actually being on the pitch.
The same goes for someone playing COD etc etc etc (this has only really occurred to the level it does recently, and Oooops, it does correlate with the gaming market and TV/Films about wars and 'sick' violence lol)
This reaction does not occur (in a normal person) whilst watching a TV show or film that has violent or horror content. They get the suspense and shock reactions, but they do not get the 'buzz' from it that the game player/watcher gets because the viewer in this case does not associate themselves with a TV show or film.
Advertising has known this since day one and has used this 'trick' many times over to sell things.
Simple human psyche understanding and manipulation (you can send me the payment for the lesson via PayPal
06-09-2012
11:00 AM
here's the trailer!
Tomb Raider - E3 2012 Crossroads Trailer - YouTube
06-09-2012
11:18 AM
Yeah, because books NEVER influence people's minds, only video games and TV
/sarcasm
06-09-2012
11:27 AM
To read and enjoy a fictional book you need a good imagination. To watch a TV or play a game you need only to turn your imagination on low and be led where you are taken.
/sarcasm too/
06-09-2012
12:11 PM
Look all the people who read twilight, now they think they are metrosexual vampires.
06-09-2012
12:15 PM
06-09-2012
12:50 PM
This game can't be on my good graces... 1) I don't care to see Laura go through all that crap, if it's bad ass Laura, then fine, but this is certainly not the nut-cracking Miss Croft we all know, 2) if they had named the game something else, I would have been pissed at the similarities.
There's enough tormented heroes/heroines, did they really have to go and do that to Laura? She's not freaking Batman.
As for the actual scene in question... that was as close to a rape as a toyota prius is to a formula 1 car. Dude got kneed in the jewels, had his ear ripped off, AND got shot in the face.... if only reality would be as kind to rapist. Anyways, moral of the story? DON'T RAPE PEOPLE!... or animals... or things...
06-09-2012
01:02 PM
it wasn't really rape, the man was attempting to rape her and she kicked his ass anyway, plus they had clothes on for gods sake, why are people complaining, it's about time video games had more "adult" themes to them, films have, so why not video games too? after all we have games like saw on the ps3, i don't see anyone complaining about that.
06-09-2012
01:04 PM
06-09-2012
01:58 PM
its not a rape scene, OMG every one needs to calm down and see it for what it is a story that you play though its not a sexual assault simulator. This is just disgusting how much of a big deal everyone is trying to make out of it.
06-09-2012
02:02 PM
Would there be more of a fuss if tentacles were involved?
Wtf that wasn't ****. People blowing this **** way out of proportion. **** -_-
Game looks legit though. Gotta get it someday >_>
06-09-2012
02:09 PM
Personally, I am disgusted at the lack of intelligence and understanding of basic intentions and actions these days (not just on this topic), BUT....... as I hinted at in a previous post in this thread, it de-sensitises people to feelings.
06-09-2012
02:25 PM
people who dont like game, dont buy it
and people who like game will buy it
im gonna get game when it comes out
trailer looks good
censoring because of few mental people is bull****
06-09-2012
02:41 PM
Still, I would rather these themes NOT be a common part of a game's story. I don't like such things in movies, books, real life, and certainly not in video games; I can't handle women suffering too well. I think it's a cheap PR tactic, it wasn't necessary to show the attempted rape to show how crappy her situation was.
06-09-2012
02:42 PM
06-09-2012
05:42 PM
Will this rape scene enable us to play new games on CFW 3.55?
06-09-2012
05:44 PM
06-09-2012
07:46 PM
Develop homebrew games.
06-10-2012
03:24 AM
06-10-2012
03:57 AM
As I said before this rape thing forces people to view a part of society, that is very real and in my mind should wake some people up.
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06-10-2012
02:40 PM
It's all fictional, and if you can't distinguish the difference between fiction and non-fiction then you shouldn't be watching tv-shows or play games... It's as simple as that..
I do agree, once you have to rape someone in a videogame (and it's a game which is also for teens) then I think it's gone too far, but even then I'm thinking myself of a little bit of a hypocrit, as far as I think, everything should be possible in a game.. Why should people be disgusted if you can wipe out a pre-school or kill everyone in a shoppingmall in a game, it's all fictional..
06-10-2012
02:56 PM
06-10-2012
03:06 PM
Eh, I didnt see anything wrong with the trailer, and the game actually looks pretty good. But the movies ruined the games for me, everytime I see lara croft now I think of a c.oc.k.y Angelina Jolie.
06-10-2012
03:11 PM
Reply as you both wish, I really cannot be bothered teaching how to distinguish action from feeling any more.
06-10-2012
03:22 PM
In other words, the person has to be mentally predisposed to the actions they witness in a game in order to fulfill them in real life.
Tapatalk 2
06-10-2012
03:36 PM
If Anyone thinks that not reacting to rape (actual, virtual, committed, or just attempted) as a Bad thing is in Any way good, then sorry but they are Seriously screwed up emotionally.
Also even if that is 'all' that happens to a mentally stable person, can you realistically say that they are then stable if they do not find rape and such-like abhorrent in Any form?
To quote the old saying 'The tallest Oak tree starts from an acorn'
06-10-2012
03:41 PM
This is the problem.
Uncanny Valley.
It's human rejection at something that's it's robotic/virtual that speaks and even emulates some parts of human behaviour and causes this rejection. Because it's NOT human but it's human-like.
06-10-2012
03:43 PM
06-10-2012
03:54 PM
then i must be unstable. I play COD and now i feel like walking down the sreet and shooting somebody with a headshot for bonus points. Where is the public outcry for this if this sounds rediculous? Im just as normal as everybody else i cant wait to see this in a game next...
http://now.msn.com/now/0502-man-oral-sex-horse.aspx
Just saying
06-10-2012
04:00 PM
Oh sooooooooo sorry, did I miss the bit about you trying to be clever and act like you know what you are talking about by using sarcasm?
Tut Tut, naughty Wolfie, I sooooooo need punishing..... I know, you can shoot me as if it is COD then force me to do nasty things with a big hugely hung horsey........ FYI, That is sarcasm.
06-10-2012
04:03 PM
06-10-2012
04:11 PM
06-10-2012
04:23 PM
06-10-2012
04:36 PM
You need help
06-10-2012
04:51 PM
I am not a raper and am not a promoter of such things, i was only trying to point out that a game will not change anybody. This is the same thing as people saying that music makes people do bad things. If somebody does something bad, its because they already have that in their soul. And it's upsetting to me that people use excuses that movies,music,video games make them do it. It may put ideas in peoples heads but the basic bad thoughts have already been there. The movies,music,and video games did not plant the seeds.
06-10-2012
04:57 PM
[MENTION=193443]concretecork[/MENTION] i get your point of view, but drop it already. For the sake of the ones who wants NOT to read some pr0n related news.
P.s: don't try to go deeper into the rabbit hole and kiss alice with so many details, it's not detrimental or maybe contradictory about you were saying.
06-10-2012
07:56 PM
You ARE kidding, aren't you? Most of you? "Rape is bad in a game", uh? Really? And shooting people in the face isn't? Isn't this the very point the people who see games as the seed of the devil uppon earth use when they call them "murder simulators"? So, a "murder simulator" is a-okay, but a "rape simulator" isn't?
And no, I'm not saying that "a rape simulator is okay", I'm just putting things into perspective here.
It's okay to have games like Manhunt, where you can butcher somebodies head off with a matchette and then use the very same head as a blunt weapon to turn an adversary into a bloody pulp.
Oh, what fun I'd have, during my jolly age of youth, when pulling somebodys heart out of their chest and making them eat it in Mortal Kombat.
Oh, how good it felt when punching the Red Guy in the nuts, while playing International Karate+ on my C64.
And, see, I turned out to be a serial killer. Just like if I'd played rape simulators instead of murder simulators, I'd turn out to be a rapist. Instead of a serial killer. That I am. Not.
See what I mean here? Not saying that rape is good in any way, but that we gamers have a pretty screwed perspective - which, and that's the fun part, we tend to try to rationalize when someone "from outside", that isn't into gaming, criticizes.
"Why all this killing? Ew, did you just beat him with his own arms, that you've cut with that blade?"...
"Don't fret. It's just a game."
Who decided that the major act of violence, killing someone, is "fun" and "okay" to do virtually again and again, but that another act of violence is a no-no and shouldn't even be mentioned?
06-10-2012
08:12 PM
So long story short, most of the times reflect the society where we live in.
Of course we don't kill zombies, or nazi zombies or shoot everybody in the face.
But they are far too many messages in the arguments as well and visuals in some games that proves what im saying in metaphors.
06-10-2012
08:42 PM
06-10-2012
08:58 PM
I really think if someone is going to rape someone. It is not going to be because they seen it in a video game. They are going to do it because there is something wrong with them.
Just like someone is not going to be a serial killer, because they watch the show Dexter. They will be a serial killer anyway.
The fact is games, movies, music, etc. reflect on real life. Like it or not, rape happens. But it would still happen if it wasn't in movies or games.
I don't think our games should be censored. This is why games have ratings. If you can't handle a MATURE rating game, then don't buy, rent, or pirate it. Simple as that.
06-10-2012
09:04 PM
(Here I should mention that with the "us" I actually refer to "you", or rather "most of you". I'm not American or British or whatever "the good guys" usually happen to be. And, nah, I'm neither one of the "bad ones", aka "Them frickin' Nazis", or Zombies, or other afformentioned parties.)
That's something I think I see a lot especially in Americans (as an outsider - I don't live there and I may have a distorted idea of your way of life, ideals, way of thinking): instead of facing some hard issues and dealing with them, you prefer to hide them under the carpet. It happens in movies, in music, in literature and now in games. And I'm not saying that it happens only in America, just that I see more Americans (to clarify: "in them internets", not in real life) than anyone else having this stance.
To put it shortly: the fact that rape is "a bad action" doesn't mean that its depiction in a game has to be tasteless and akin to porn. It doesn't even have to be in a "male" game. It could even be a game made especially for the victims of such an act.
But, yeah. Ban it, in general, forever and ever. "It's bad". And yeah, ban it from Tomb Raider. For we've already seen it, know its whole scenario and how the whole thing will be depicted in it, although all we actually really trully know about it is what we've seen in 10 screenshots and two videos.
06-10-2012
09:20 PM
Im not *American*.
Im SOUTH AMERICAN.
So..you commited the worst and most common mistake = Generalize.
06-10-2012
09:27 PM
06-10-2012
09:28 PM
06-10-2012
09:29 PM
06-10-2012
09:30 PM
And does that not-generalization of mine make my other points moot?
06-10-2012
09:35 PM
So you rendered all the valid points on your own opinion = obsolete, making assumptions how americans hide their problems under their carpets.
Im not American, believe it or not. It's your choice.
I rest my case.
06-10-2012
09:53 PM
"My point of view", coming from speaking with people that live or lived in America, from media (movies, music, literature, games), is that many people "over there" feel offended after seing a boob, but not after seing a split head. I've seen lots and lots of movies targeted at the PG13 market having buckets'o'violence, but a movie with a boob automagically gets the PG15 rating. Isn't that some kind of indication that "this is a way of thinking in America"? Am -I- "stereotyping"?
And, really, let's say I wrongly put all of "you" in the same basket (which I didn't - I think I explained what I meant and what gives me that impression about many Americans). Isn't "generalizing" on your behalf saying that "if I'm wrong on one thing, I'm wrong in everything"?
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Edited to clarify that with the last "you" I am not refering to "you" as a person, but to "you" as "part of a group of people that live in the general area of the US of A and not in any other countr".
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06-10-2012
10:10 PM
06-10-2012
10:26 PM
I mean, an Italian is almost always depicted as a member of the Mafia - or other "crime familly". Asians are either ninjas or members of the Yakuza. Young people are always interested in cars and women with huge breasts. Women don't do anything but shop and try to find Mr. Perfect. That's what I meant with the "good guys" thing you didn't get: that in this world of stereotypes, "the mostly met stereotype of the American" is that of the lowly army grunt that gets to be the hero. Have I been playing the wrong kind of games?
06-10-2012
10:36 PM
[MENTION=76160]ducklord[/MENTION]
06-10-2012
10:39 PM
Im half korean, and i don't feel offended when some koran guy in crysis is killed.
It's a game.
Niether the Italians, on AS or the Spanish users on Resident Evil 4.
Yeah some *Sectors* can be offended but it's a game.
It's not about the flag, it's about the content of the game.
You are not a Yakuza because you played yakuza.
Me niether.
06-10-2012
11:47 PM
[MENTION=211522]playerkp420[/MENTION]: If I remember correctly, just before I was accused of stereotyping Americans I was trying to say that we shouldn't react to the depiction of rape in the new Tomb Raider by painting "anything with rape in it as bad". By "stereotyping" the act of rape with Rapelay as a model. Or that was what I was trying to say.
@helsing9: I totally agree with you. I used the examples to (try to) explain that when I mentioned "the good Americans" and "the other bad guys" I wasn't talking about real people, but characters in the plot of a game. Exactly like when somebody doesn't necesserily get offended when he sees "his own people die from the bullets of an American hero in a game", in exactly the same way a rape victim won't necessarily get offended by a scene of a rape in a game. We understand that a) it's a game and b) the specific part (the killing of some people that could be of the same ethnicity as the player - the action of the rape) is but a piece of a larger context, and its wrong singling it out and crucifying it.
Instead, some people were saying "it's rape, it doesn't have place in a game". And in exactly the same manner someone could say "it's the killing of my people, it doesn't have place in a game". And then another one, and another one. And, at the end, all games would be clone of cooking mama. But without meat, so as not to offend the vegans and vegetarians. Or cooked food, so as not to offend people who prefere to eat food raw. Or even raw food, so as not to offend the food itself.
- EDIT -
Fixed a typo. There should be boatloads of more - please, excuse my poor use of the English language.
06-11-2012
12:26 AM
06-11-2012
12:43 AM
Honestly? i don't know what AMERICANS think.
I did not bring this topic to this thread i just make a proper response to some hard to *understand*, hence AMERICANS was mentioned 3 times in a row in the same post.
I think as a person/individual i have to repeat all over again?.
It's not about the flags/countries/nations.
He also mentioned about the American dream...i know about dreams not about a NATION specific dream.
06-11-2012
01:14 AM
06-11-2012
01:26 AM
Seems that same happened here, when European Inmigrants come to stay.
But the old say here it's very hard to translate from Spanish (slang) to Enlgish.
06-11-2012
01:34 AM
And what was "my erratic thought about minorities"? I wrote that in exactly the same manner as a non-American doesn't feel offended my the mindless shooters where "the good American is the hero and the bad terrorists are Afghans, Asians and whatnot" (do you really want me to start typing title names? How many do you want me to list?), in exactly the same manner a rape victim wouldn't necessarily feel offended by a depiction of rape.
As for the "real Americans", what I mentioned was that the Americans -I- have meant up to now on the Internet (please, take notice of the "I", and if you feel offended, well, go get a dictionary and learn that I mean MY frickin' point of view based on my experiences with specific Americans) have a tendency to not overthink troublesome matters in gaming and prefer to simply treat them as non-existing. Matters like "what would this guy I'm shooting right now think in real life", "what makes THEM the terrorists and us the good guys". Notice I'm talking in-game "good and bad guys" here. Also notice the emphasis I put and I keep on putting in the "I" part of all of this: I'm talking about people -I- met, and opinions they've expressed to -me-. That doesn't mean that Americans, as a whole, share the same opinions.
And then came people shouting that "I was generalizing". And to put things into perspective, and quote myself - that others quoted out of context, let's give some emphasis to what I was saying:
06-11-2012
02:23 AM
I don't think what ducklord said was that disrespectful, seems he wanted to be rather emphatic about not wanting to generalize too much, and that he was mainly talking about people he met on the interwebz... which by the way ducklord... is probably the worst way you could have picked to draw any conclusions
I also once again must say I disagree with the idea of including rape scenes for no reason in games, just as I disagree with gore, in any sort of entertainment media (Books, movies, games). I also wouldn't put rape and movies like saw, hostel on the same level as say a violent FPS. Sadly, in this day and age (has been I think for thousands of years) violence is accepted, and as much as I would like it to be otherwise, I doubt there's any going back. I think one of the reasons it is so accepted is precisely because ever since man has had language they have passed down tales of violence and even worst yet celebrated them.
I will give 2 examples of other things we have been desensitized against; although the twist is that they are actually positive examples: homosexuals and different races. At some point topics about both things might have drawn emotions similar as to what some of us might experience when talking about rapes, and yet now different races, or homosexual preferences are nothing strange to most modern thinking individuals (as it always should have been). I hope nobody takes offense by that, as non was implied... but I see peeps can get offended easily on the web.
Anyways, who is to say that a few years down the road rape will just be another crime, and no it's not just another crime. You can see it in people's face when they are watching the news, the expression most put when they hear a story about rape, to me, is vastly different from when they hear about a murder. Sadly, murder is common place these days, on the other hand, rape still infuriates/creeps out/saddens people, and that is a good thing if you ask me. Instead of trying to make rape not be shocking, shouldn't we be striving to make murder seem just as bad as rape is? Both things should be vilified as much as possible.
06-11-2012
02:58 AM
The so called rape scene in this trailer isn't part of the gameplay it's part of the movies to indicate the situation she's in, and to emphesise the guy is a badguy, so it will heighten tension and suspense.. And she fights the guy off, with it making her tough through the specified experience..
You're just a hypocrit if you b*tch over this scene even though you keep playing games like Call of Duty, Gears of War, God of War, GTA, Saints Row, bully, carmageddon, and all the other 'violent' games..
As I said, it's not you as a gamer that has to rape lara (that would be kinda sick to me, but he if someone wants to do that in a game, go ahead, as long as the game gets and 18+ rating at least, and as long as the person doesn't do it in reality).. Yes games, movies do influence us, but have you ever watched the news at 18:00? I'm disgusted with THAT, how many dead people and violence is graphically shown around that time when even little children are watching, and it's all in the name of so called 'journalism' (yeah right, it's all about getting as much viewers as possible and we all know violence and death sells)..
Yes we might get desensitized by violence and sex in games, but personally I keep getting disgusted when I hear about when it happens in reality, and as long I'm feeling like that I don't give a rats ass about what happens in games or movies, the gorier the better to me (just look at the bloodsplatters of the newest games like 'the last of us' or 'god of war 4')..
06-11-2012
03:04 AM
Desensitization in and of itself will not make anyone commit a crime.
Tapatalk 2
06-11-2012
05:47 AM
Why the hell is everyone hating on [MENTION=76160]ducklord[/MENTION]
He is correct about everything he has said regarding games.
As for stereo typing, the games developers do that, not ducklord.
06-11-2012
06:08 AM
Some people have trouble distinguishing reality from fantasy. (which does not happen to healthy people) and desensitization could be a reason to do something stupid without feeling guilty.
Crimes motivated by games and movies are not frequent but have occurred before. Psychopaths for example, do not function as normal people; their logic is another and if they were not motivated to do something stupid because of the games, they would be motivated by something else.
So while I agree with the [MENTION=101277]Wolfie708[/MENTION] behaviorism, I do not think censoring this kind of thing would make any difference in the real world.
This is just my opinion, of course I could be wrong
06-11-2012
06:19 AM
Also an interesting thing i found was that as games got more realistic, the more teenage crime rates dropped. So maybe games do relieve stress in some way that helps society.
06-11-2012
08:45 AM
So what's all the fuzz about?, im not hating. You dragged here a topic of conversation that was discussed already.
So stop being so being defensive about something that i did not even mention you. When i WANT to reply to a specific post or specific user i use quotes or @
So if you want to keep going fine by me!
I think you will notice or anyone that my posts in general don't involves = *flags*, *nations*, *politics*. Because i could care less about that and if the other side don't understand that im replying just only for one reason here. *Being POLITE*, well it's not my problem.
I don't hate the user, but his words at the start of his whole idea mentioning the AMERICANS (second time that i said that in this post) were kind of offensive, because he TOUGHT i (myself) as an American (3 times).
So..WTF is wrong with AMERICANS and games?, do i care?, NO.
I just posted a *news* about some *rape scenes* on video games regarding the new Tomb Raider, i showed my point of view more than 4 pages ago.
So NOW i rest my case AGAIN.
06-11-2012
12:26 PM
[MENTION=76160]ducklord[/MENTION] and [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] Group hugs as I think this is just a misunderstanding
06-11-2012
02:02 PM
[MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION]: Ah, you misunderstood me: when I mentioned "Americans in games" I wasn't talking about "Americans as real people" but "the typical hero of mainly the FPS genre". Meaning that we are used to playing "the American soldier that kills other people for the sake of his country" - in titles from Medal of Honor to Splinter Cell, from Call of Duty to whatever. Not "American" as in real nationality, but as one of the defining characteristics of a games hero.
"Is he male?"... Check...
"Is he American?".... Check...
"Is he white?"... Usually yes, so, heck, Check...
"Does he like big boobs/is straight?"... Yeah, yeah... Check...
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"Is rape bad?"... Ofcourse it is. Check.
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And so, the developer follows the same way he did before, and he gives us another game where we have, for yet another time, an American straight white guy with a gun VS the world. And no rape.
Usually when something is "thought provoking", be it a gay chinese protagonist that dresses in pink, or the act of rape and its implications, doesn't mean that it doesn't have place in gaming. That's what I'm trying to say all along: you can't ban something from a medium just because whenever it was depicted in it was in a bad way (as the afformentioned Rapelay title, where - YOU - are the rapist). In exactly the same way that a game protagonist DOESN'T actually have to be "a white American soldier" (although most "blockbusters" follow the same shallow stereotype), a game DOESN'T have to treat rape as a sexual act, DOESN'T have to depict it in a way that "talks" to rapists, but could actually treat the matter with respect and be globally accepted.
06-12-2012
09:06 PM
http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2012...er-now-a-hero/
06-12-2012
11:15 PM
06-12-2012
11:17 PM
Justice.
06-13-2012
02:11 AM
i honestly dont see the issue with this so called rape issue in this game
when was the last time these people kicked up a fuss about anime? many manga have rape in it and those make it out to be more "porn" than wrong.
if it shows it as wrong and a way to show reasoning for her "hard ass" transformation then fine, its supposed to be realistic so people can relate to the character. its not put in the game as jackoff material, its there as a reasoning tool.
go watch "the accused" and cry about how the rape should be removed from the movie.....
we have tv ads in uk that talk/example rape and are aimed at kids but there is no fuss kicked up about it.
kids need to be educated about violence/rape and although in a game it does not glamorise it like other games do with murder etc. what about grand theft auto? you can poke a'ho and smash her skull in.
anyone kicking up a fuss about it are the people who see it as sexual and not about its purpose of provoking an empathic responce. are those very same people the ones to worry about?
just my 2p
06-13-2012
11:09 PM
Sure you get more shock value showing the scene, but I think many are also a bit too disturbed by such scenes.
Though, once again, I don't see a problem with this particular scene... Hell, she kicks his ass so fast, you could even argue he was trying to pat her down, not rape her. Being that I'm an avid watcher of anime, you would think I'd be more tolerant of this crap, but the first (and last) anime that I watched that had a rape scene was Berserk, the most I have had to deal with since is unnecessary fanservice.... *SIGH* somethings about japanese people I rather not understand.
06-19-2012
04:28 PM
are you retarded or something did you even watch the clip, you know what don't even bother to reply to this wolfie.
06-21-2012
09:01 PM
I watched the clip, I watched it during E3 (I was watching everything live), and I watched it a few more times. This is what I have been dreaming of in a new game, More realisim and better detail.
This and The Last of US took the show in my eyes. Did you see the blood splatter in The last of us?? The detail that would expect by bashing someone in the head with a gun would do. I was blown away.
The designers of the game got EXACTLY what they wanted out of this and this thread proves it. I bet about 75% or higher of posters in this thread will buy or hack this game. They want to bring up the hype on the game. The content makes a discussion happen and they did their marketing well.
There is very few games that I will buy on release day (I like to save a buck, I'll wait till it's 2 weeks old and get it on ebay for 1/2 price)but, this one I am pretty sure I will pre-order it. It looks that good.
Do I think a game should promote violent rape ? Hell no but, this game is trying to be as real as possable. Games are an art, I look forward to a game being better than a movie, and that is what I am willing to PAY for.
Parents SHOULD be responsable for their children, Yes, this means you if your are under 18 years old(i'm sure 1/2 the posters in this thread). If this type of violence offends you, then dont buy it. If the content is too questionable for you, DONT buy it. If your wacked in the head, maybe you shouldn't buy it.
Enough said, I got my point across. Also to note, Rape is OK IF you are with a woman that enjoys that type of thing. WHy did I marry someone my MOM would like ???