• PS3 Hacks , 16.07.2012

    It’s only been a week since CEX-to-DEX was leaked online and we already have a third tool released that intends to make the whole conversion process that much easier. PlayStation 3 homebrew developer of PS3News, Gunner54, has released an application he calls “PS3 CEX2DEX Application,” a tool that will extract the METLDR from any PlayStation 3 flash dump and convert it from retail to debug/test. The application sports a friendly UI and performs two primary functions:

    • EXTRACT METLDR
    • CEX->DEX

    Prerequisites: MSVCP100.DLL and  Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86)

    Have fun converting your units but always remember that there is always a possibility of your console bricking when tampering with the flash so proceed with absolute caution!

    Gunner54:

    Following up on the recent PS3 C2D CEX to DEX Flash Patcher and PS3Tools GUI Edition v2.6, today I have released a CEX2DEX application that will allow you to extract the METLDR from ANY (NOR / NAND) PlayStation 3 flash dump and create a valid DEX (Debug / Test) flash from the given CEX (Retail) flash.

    Download: PS3 CEX2DEX Application / MSVCP100.DLL (Required) / Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86)

    Features:

    • Can be used to extract the METLDR from ANY (NOR/NAND) flash dump.
    • Can be used to create a valid DEX flash from any given CEX flash (NOR/NAND).

    I will explain the two main options the program has.

    Extract METLDR - This extracts the metldr from your flash dump so you can use this in the metldrpwn exploit and dump your root key. The dump file created by the metldrpwn exploit can then be loaded into the program (METLDR Dump).
    CEX -> DEX - This creates a modified flash dump to convert your CEX into a DEX, the dump created can then be used to be flashed back to your PS3.

    I assume you are getting those CMAC errors because you are attempting to use the extracted metldr as the metldr dump. These are two completely different files, the METLDR Dump is the dump file produced by the metldrpwn exploit. Could you show me part of your root key so I can get a better understanding of what you’re actually loading.

    P.S : Controversy to what the main post says, I flashed my FAT 256MB NAND PS3 via Preloader Advance 3.1.

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  • 156 Comments

    1. Zorlac79
      07-16-2012
      12:39 PM
      1

      Sweet! Keep it comin!

    2. gambaownsu
      07-16-2012
      12:45 PM
      2

      Sweet release.

      I wonder if the actual 'trusted' developers will work on it (CEX-DEX leak) to make it more easy for the community or will remain in the shadow.

      If they could be part of it, this scene could thrive once again like in the 3.55 January/February 2011 era.

    3. CaptainCPS-X
      07-16-2012
      12:49 PM
      3

      Interesting =), I wish Gunner54 released the source code.

      btw, If Gunner54 is reading, you can actually link the C/C++ runtime libraries statically by doing this in your project:

      Configuration Properties -> C/C++ -> Code Generation -> Runtime Library

      Then select: Multi-threaded (/MT)

      This will save users the need to install any runtime libraries to their PCs to use this.

      Oh and please consider releasing the source code, so that this method can be documented easily. Anyway, thanks =)

      SeeYa!

    4. luqi
      07-16-2012
      12:52 PM
      4

      This is the ultimate solution for all kind of noobs

      Nice release THX to the coder !

    5. Sidewinder_2011
      07-16-2012
      12:54 PM
      5

      Originally Posted by luqi
      This is the ultimate solution for all kind of noobs

      Nice release THX to the coder !
      do we still need to use linux ? if so for what part

    6. mckenziesdaddy
      07-16-2012
      12:55 PM
      6

      So We can use this program with this one http://www.ps3hax.net/2012/05/released-memdump-v0-01/, And only use another program to flash it back without Linux? or am I understanding this wrong?

    7. haxxxen
      07-16-2012
      12:56 PM
      7

      the last time i have used linux and my first time ever, they have released a pkg one week later. it was that rsodfix pkg.

      maybe there will be a pkg for metldrpwn?? though i have it running by now but who knows...

    8. poorguy
      07-16-2012
      01:05 PM
      8

      This entire CEX-DEX process is still gonna need a n00b guide.. Thanks to the coder and developer for making it much simpler..

    9. lordofcombo
      07-16-2012
      01:32 PM
      9

      here comes the inevitable question :
      i have everything ready with my shiny converted to dex console,
      what can i do that other cex consoles can' do?

    10. gankutsuo
      07-16-2012
      01:52 PM
      10

      Originally Posted by CaptainCPS-X
      Interesting =), I wish Gunner54 released the source code.

      btw, If Gunner54 is reading, you can actually link the C/C++ runtime libraries statically by doing this in your project:

      Configuration Properties -> C/C++ -> Code Generation -> Runtime Library

      Then select: Multi-threaded (/MT)

      This will save users the need to install any runtime libraries to their PCs to use this.

      Oh and please consider releasing the source code, so that this method can be documented easily. Anyway, thanks =)

      SeeYa!
      I want to see source code too. Sometimes It's har to found a source code of scene apps just to adjust stuff for personal usage. It happened to me a lot in Wii scene... hope the dev listen.

    11. joaorikard
      07-16-2012
      02:03 PM
      11

      Originally Posted by lordofcombo
      here comes the inevitable question :
      i have everything ready with my shiny converted to dex console,
      what can i do that other cex consoles can' do?
      anyone correct me if i'm wrong, but it allows to run unsigned pkgs - BUT WITHOUT peek-poke.

    12. novadragon849
      07-16-2012
      02:05 PM
      12

      All we are missing is those damn dex eboots....must be a way to convert them....

    13. lipe
      07-16-2012
      02:15 PM
      13

      would be great if someone make a video of the whole process for us newbies

    14. malex
      07-16-2012
      02:15 PM
      14

      I guess I better start doing research on dumping my nand.... and finding a used copy of Tales of Graces... damn you Namco port Vesperia NOW!

      *EDIT* $40 for a used copy?... NAH! I can wait *EDIT*

    15. haxxxen
      07-16-2012
      02:18 PM
      15

      nevermind...

    16. SuperDre
      07-16-2012
      02:20 PM
      16

      Originally Posted by mckenziesdaddy
      So We can use this program with this one http://www.ps3hax.net/2012/05/released-memdump-v0-01/, And only use another program to flash it back without Linux? or am I understanding this wrong?
      If that one actually creates the needed memorydumps then It should definitly be added to a tutorial (I haven't seen that one in the long CEX->DEX thread). But as you said, the other problem is flashing the PS3 without Linux.

    17. 4218kris
      07-16-2012
      02:40 PM
      17

      Originally Posted by SuperDre
      If that one actually creates the needed memorydumps then It should definitly be added to a tutorial (I haven't seen that one in the long CEX->DEX thread). But as you said, the other problem is flashing the PS3 without Linux.
      i just asked the same question, if it works. on another forum.

    18. Griff
      07-16-2012
      02:51 PM
      18

      pretty sure i could pull this off, but if someone could make a youtube video id appreciate that.... all our current backups will still work right?

    19. hamtah
      07-16-2012
      02:55 PM
      19

      Originally Posted by Griff
      pretty sure i could pull this off, but if someone could make a youtube video id appreciate that.... all our current backups will still work right?
      I believe backups won't work.

    20. malex
      07-16-2012
      02:56 PM
      20

      Originally Posted by Griff
      pretty sure i could pull this off, but if someone could make a youtube video id appreciate that.... all our current backups will still work right?
      I'm leaning towards no they won't work, at least not now. As far as I understand it, you would have to go back to CEX if you want to do backups.

    21. 4218kris
      07-16-2012
      03:08 PM
      21

      need dex eboots and/or unsigned maybe too, i hear. maybe a un-signer app soon..?

    22. jennys
      07-16-2012
      03:49 PM
      22

      Originally Posted by hamtah
      I believe backups won't work.
      Backups will work, but you must first obtain unencrypted eboots (I think people call them "debug") for each game and then use Sony's tools to format a USB drive that can be only read on the PS3 and then install the games using Sony's process. You can have up to 4 games at a time and they have to be for the < 3.55 firmware.

      I believe DeanK's MM DEX Launcher then can be used to launch your 4 games, but could be mistaken.

      The exact process is long and various tools are required. A general explanation of the process has been explained by DeanK, but I neglected to save the link.

    23. Eboots
      07-16-2012
      04:09 PM
      23

      Nice release, but I'll wait until the average joe ( like myself ) can actually do something worthwhile with a Dex machine, I think for now Dex only benefits real Dev's and those who actually know what they're doing. I'll just take a back seat and see what happens... But nice to see easier methods being released, keep up the good work guys this is what the scene needs.

    24. denero1
      07-16-2012
      04:13 PM
      24

      I'm going to keep waiting I don't understand the benefits of doing this just yet

    25. jennys
      07-16-2012
      04:34 PM
      25

      Originally Posted by denero1
      I'm going to keep waiting I don't understand the benefits of doing this just yet
      The key benefits are really for hardcore developers, but for the normal user here is what you can get out of CEX-DEX.

      (1) You can upgrade to the latest DEX firmware version (say 4.11) and then you can play 4.11 original store bought games.

      (2) You can then downgrade back to CFW 3.55 and play your homebrew and warez.

      If I were an average user who did have CFW I would find the process of constantly swapping firmwares tired some, but that is my opinion. Hey I'm on OFW so no worries ^^

    26. gambaownsu
      07-16-2012
      04:45 PM
      26

      Originally Posted by jennys
      The key benefits are really for hardcore developers, but for the normal user here is what you can get out of CEX-DEX.

      (1) You can upgrade to the latest DEX firmware version (say 4.11) and then you can play 4.11 original store bought games and 3.60+ backup games.

      (2) You can then downgrade back to CFW 3.55 and play your homebrew and warez.

      If I were an average user who did have CFW I would find the process of constantly swapping firmwares tired some, but that is my opinion. Hey I'm on OFW so no worries ^^
      Fixed it for you buddy.

    27. jennys
      07-16-2012
      06:28 PM
      27

      Originally Posted by gambaownsu
      Fixed it for you buddy.
      You can only play 3.60+ backups if you have the 3.60+ keys to sign the decrypted eboots with. Due to the fact there is no public method to obtain such mentioned keys you can only play <= 3.55 with specially signed eboots even then you're still limited to 4 games. If such method was public we would have 3.56+ games with the current 3.55 CFW's. Nothing has changed regarding that fact.

      DEX will not allow 3.60+ backups just by flashing it. It is also not clear if the current 3.55 fixed eboots will run, but I doubt it due to the fact you need a debug eboot for <= 3.55 for each <= 3.55 game you will wish to play under DEX.

      In a nutshell DEX is currently not a really good option for playing backups.

      I'd also appreciate it if my quote was not edited. It's a quote for a reason.

    28. garrettcorn
      07-16-2012
      06:46 PM
      28

      trying to make a video tutorial for everyone, first time trying to convert as i make video tho, so hopefully everything goes well and video will be done within a few hours, but if i can't get it to work tonight video might be delayed a day or two..

    29. jennys
      07-16-2012
      06:51 PM
      29

      Here is DeanK's response to playing backups on DEX. Notice you cannot play 3.56+

      http://www.ps3crunch.net/forum/threa...4842#post44842

      Here is a very long detailed post about what the DEX can and cannot do. Notice again you cannot run 3.56+ backups.

      http://www.ps3crunch.net/forum/threa...4944#post44944

      Read It. Read it again. Have clear mind. - "Mr. Mayagi"

    30. Ubefuct
      07-16-2012
      06:54 PM
      30

      If your on dex 4.11 why would 'you' need keys. .... they are in the firmware.

    31. gambaownsu
      07-16-2012
      07:09 PM
      31

      Originally Posted by jennys
      You can only play 3.60+ backups if you have the 3.60+ keys to sign the decrypted eboots with. Due to the fact there is no public method to obtain such mentioned keys you can only play <= 3.55 with specially signed eboots even then you're still limited to 4 games. If such method was public we would have 3.56+ games with the current 3.55 CFW's. Nothing has changed regarding that fact.

      DEX will not allow 3.60+ backups just by flashing it. It is also not clear if the current 3.55 fixed eboots will run, but I doubt it due to the fact you need a debug eboot for <= 3.55 for each <= 3.55 game you will wish to play under DEX.

      In a nutshell DEX is currently not a really good option for playing backups.

      I'd also appreciate it if my quote was not edited. It's a quote for a reason.
      Wow, what an ass of a post.

      I appreciate the 'correction' but you are false.

      You can actually play 3.60+ backup games WITHOUT having their debug eboot. I won't say much for now since everything soon will be released in due time. Bleh and others came prove you wrong since they are already playing backups

    32. MajorDisaster
      07-16-2012
      07:11 PM
      32

      Originally Posted by jennys
      Here is DeanK's response to playing backups on DEX. Notice you cannot play 3.56+

      http://www.ps3crunch.net/forum/threa...4842#post44842

      Here is a very long detailed post about what the DEX can and cannot do. Notice again you cannot run 3.56+ backups.

      http://www.ps3crunch.net/forum/threa...4944#post44944

      Read It. Read it again. Have clear mind. - "Mr. Mayagi"
      Then why are people saying backups do work on dex

      http://www.ps3hax.net/showpost.php?p...&postcount=967
      http://www.ps3hax.net/showpost.php?p...&postcount=971
      http://www.ps3hax.net/showpost.php?p...&postcount=972
      there are many other people saying you can.

      Dean also said he doesn't have a dex ps3

    33. Squarepusher2
      07-16-2012
      07:15 PM
      33

      Originally Posted by jennys
      Here is DeanK's response to playing backups on DEX. Notice you cannot play 3.56+

      http://www.ps3crunch.net/forum/threa...4842#post44842

      Here is a very long detailed post about what the DEX can and cannot do. Notice again you cannot run 3.56+ backups.

      http://www.ps3crunch.net/forum/threa...4944#post44944

      Read It. Read it again. Have clear mind. - "Mr. Mayagi"
      He wrote that at that time while admitting he had never actually used a DEX before - so this was just based on 'research' he had done on the Internet with regards to what you can and can't do with it.

      Personally, I wouldn't take any info concerning what you can do with a debug from a place like ps3devwiki.net as the gospel truth. Too many egotistical hotheads there that think they're the Bilderberg and the Illuminati rolled into one and have to keep things 'secret'. It really kills me how a bunch of suburban white trash twenty somethings have convinced themselves they're part of an 'elite' or something that can pirate 'consciously' while the downtrodden would just 'abuse it'.

    34. raddog
      07-16-2012
      07:25 PM
      34

      Originally Posted by Squarepusher2
      He wrote that at that time while admitting he had never actually used a DEX before - so this was just based on 'research' he had done on the Internet with regards to what you can and can't do with it.

      Personally, I wouldn't take any info concerning what you can do with a debug from a place like ps3devwiki.net as the gospel truth. Too many egotistical hotheads there that think they're the Bilderberg and the Illuminati rolled into one and have to keep things 'secret'. It really kills me how a bunch of suburban white trash twenty somethings have convinced themselves they're part of an 'elite' or something that can pirate 'consciously' while the downtrodden would just 'abuse it'.
      [MENTION=230356]Squarepusher2[/MENTION] is it possible to make the cex2dex simpler without linux and just with a ps3 app?....just curious.

    35. JustThatDude
      07-16-2012
      07:26 PM
      35

      Originally Posted by Squarepusher2
      He wrote that at that time while admitting he had never actually used a DEX before - so this was just based on 'research' he had done on the Internet with regards to what you can and can't do with it.

      Personally, I wouldn't take any info concerning what you can do with a debug from a place like ps3devwiki.net as the gospel truth. Too many egotistical hotheads there that think they're the Bilderberg and the Illuminati rolled into one and have to keep things 'secret'. It really kills me how a bunch of suburban white trash twenty somethings have convinced themselves they're part of an 'elite' or something that can pirate 'consciously' while the downtrodden would just 'abuse it'.
      The illuminati wouldn't keep much secret so your far from that but they are something no one is which are queers who have no life but to laugh at people because their the end user. Not illuminati but just pathetic.

    36. JustThatDude
      07-16-2012
      07:27 PM
      36

      Originally Posted by raddog
      [MENTION=230356]Squarepusher2[/MENTION] is it possible to make the cex2dex simpler without linux and just with a ps3 app?....just curious.
      There is always a work around.

    37. Eiji
      07-16-2012
      07:29 PM
      37

      Originally Posted by JustThatDude
      There is always a work around.
      Yeah, it's just a matter of time as always.

    38. jennys
      07-16-2012
      07:35 PM
      38

      [MENTION=195922]Ubefuct[/MENTION]

      Please go educate yourself on how the patching process especially regarding key extraction and signing executables. To sum it up the 3.56+ keys are out there, but only a few select people know how to obtain them and they aren't sharing the method(s).

      [MENTION=176557]gambaownsu[/MENTION]

      Well, Sir. You personally know, but won't say anything about it other then "it's coming soon". How many times have I heard that in how many sceners? Bleh, give me proof!

      [MENTION=21493]MajorDisaster[/MENTION]

      Addressing Link #1 - He claims the same as I've said that <=3.55 will work, but with patching which the current method is cumbersome.

      Addressing Link #2 - Speculation with no proof.

      Addressing Link #3 - Smart-ass remark, with the "it's WIP coming soon to a theater near you garbage".

      Conclusion: No proof. Heck no post I've read have I even seen a person convert their CEX to DEX.

      [MENTION=230356]Squarepusher2[/MENTION]

      Besides your rant against these developers you clearly have bias against I do understand DeanK has not used a DEX, but his informative post including Pocket69's post from here at PS3HAX that he quoted his first post from are far more convincing then hundreds of people asking "if, what if, does this, who has" or stating "it should, it will".

      End to point; I've yet have the privileged of speaking with someone that has converted their machine and shared their experience. I do understand that both what Pockets69 and DeanK are based on time, effort and lots of research, but it's the best info to go on until people start trying it out and reporting back.

    39. gambaownsu
      07-16-2012
      07:43 PM
      39

      Originally Posted by jennys

      [MENTION=176557]gambaownsu[/MENTION]

      Well, Sir. You personally know, but won't say anything about it other then "it's coming soon". How many times have I heard that in how many sceners? Bleh, give me proof!
      Perhaps, I am truthful to my words. Perhaps I have aided this scene the best I can - a 500k view topic on a ReactPSN DLC thread (not on this site - ) is enough as proof for now that YES, I don't spew around rumors unlike other 'holier than thou' devs who you just spew whatever they tell say.

      Anyway, I won't get into an argument. It's just a matter of time.

      We are testing everything before releasing since there's bugs here and there occuring.

      Buddy, Read It. Read it again. Have clear mind. - "Mr. Gamba"

    40. BobbyBangin
      07-16-2012
      07:45 PM
      40

      Originally Posted by jennys
      Here is DeanK's response to playing backups on DEX. Notice you cannot play 3.56+

      http://www.ps3crunch.net/forum/threa...4842#post44842

      Here is a very long detailed post about what the DEX can and cannot do. Notice again you cannot run 3.56+ backups.

      http://www.ps3crunch.net/forum/threa...4944#post44944

      Read It. Read it again. Have clear mind. - "Mr. Mayagi"
      He also knows how to play PS2 iso's with Cobra but he won't tell us that either.

    41. Sidewinder_2011
      07-16-2012
      07:49 PM
      41

      [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION] do u have a dex then ?

    42. nevik
      07-16-2012
      07:52 PM
      42

      This Cex2Dex completely works just finished using it to do my brothers PS3.

      Thanks for the application!

    43. AsSiTcH
      07-16-2012
      07:57 PM
      43

      Originally Posted by nevik
      This Cex2Dex completely works just finished using it to do my brothers PS3.

      Thanks for the application!
      We know that it works.......

    44. jahmyrr
      07-16-2012
      08:12 PM
      44

      Those who dont know: "Can I/we..."; "What does..."

      Those who do know: "Just wait...."; "Coming soon..."

      Those who want to sound like they know: "He said/She said..."

      If you dont know, stand by, be patient, and wait for all the "noob-friendly" details and tools to surface as they are. No need to be in a hurry to brag to your friends "look what I can do!"

      If you do know, great job, looking forward to seeing all this properly play out and all the goodies to come from this.

      If you just want to sound like you know, you are worse than anyone. You make this a frustrating time for everyone spouting info that you heard from others and dont actually know with 100% certainty yourself to be fact or fiction.

      This may or may not be the holy grail for both the homebrewers and backupers but only time will tell. I look forward to both being fully blown wide open. I personally think the "warez" and "pirates" excuse is nothing more than that. The 360 and its developers arent struggling to put food on their plates and its far more open and available to downloaders. I personally take the moral high ground, but its no secret that I want backups for all firmware available (and not just 4 games at a time lol). I want my entire library available at the push of a button

    45. jennys
      07-16-2012
      08:21 PM
      45

      [MENTION=200865]nevik[/MENTION]

      Fabulous! Please do share your finding with us poor forum folk. The process is simple, yet I have OFW of I would be tinkering around DEX a bit myself. Good luck!

      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************

      Originally Posted by gambaownsu
      Buddy, Read It. Read it again. Have clear mind. - "Mr. Gamba"
      It's good to know you contributed, but hits don't really register with me. What does is a working solution and if your unable to provide a preview of whatever is in development, but can only state that it is then I do understand that position also. I myself have been working on something since January and can't even get help with it due to I can't share the source.

      Anyway, taking someones word on something in a hit or miss and you can increase those odds if you're known for delivering. So I too wish you the best of luck on whatever it is that your or your associates are working on and hope to see it when it's released.

      If I'm wrong I'm wrong - no big deal. I'd love to see something that accomplishes what you claim it does.

    46. evnflow
      07-16-2012
      08:39 PM
      46

      wanted to say thanks for the hard work on everything..and if anyone knows of a good guide to follow to be able to get a dump, so i can try this app..really appreciate it..

    47. GregoryRasputin
      07-16-2012
      08:54 PM
      47

      Originally Posted by gambaownsu

      You can actually play 3.60+ backup games WITHOUT having their debug eboot. I won't say much for now since everything soon will be released in due time. Bleh and others came prove you wrong since they are already playing backups
      Not releasing information whilst moaning about others not doing the same, makes jack a hyporite

    48. GregoryRasputin
      07-16-2012
      08:56 PM
      48

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION] do u have a dex then ?
      She has a retail machine.....

    49. gambaownsu
      07-16-2012
      08:57 PM
      49

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      Not releasing information whilst moaning about others not doing the same, makes jack a hyporite
      I suggest you reading my previous posts.

    50. 4218kris
      07-16-2012
      10:14 PM
      50

      everyone calm down, it will be alright just give it time.. all i hear here all the time is people complaing or arguing.

    51. malex
      07-16-2012
      10:26 PM
      51

      Originally Posted by gambaownsu
      I suggest you reading my previous posts.

      Still, it's pretty much the same thing as other peeps are getting blamed for. Don't get me wrong, I am in complete agreement of not spreading "half-truths" as in, a half working solution, but then I don't think the majority of sceners has my patience.

      On another note, allow me to step in and defend the damsel in distress.... can the general populace play backups on a dex machine right now? No, then she's right because that's the people about which the question was asked. When joeschmo can play backups then we are things would be different, but right now, jennys' description of what a end user can do with a dex console is accurate.

    52. kian2002
      07-17-2012
      12:58 AM
      52

      maybe im wrong but dident the french man tell us how to get this key a long time ago and once we have the per console key we could decrypt all .pup to get the keys to decrypt the eboots

      the problem was always the method of signing the eboots to run on +3.55 but as the eboots only have to be fake signed for dex and the tools for this are in the sdk
      then this can be done

      trublue ect managed to do this but to get it working on a retail ps3

    53. Squarepusher2
      07-17-2012
      01:28 AM
      53

      Originally Posted by jennys

      [MENTION=230356]Squarepusher2[/MENTION]

      Besides your rant against these developers you clearly have bias against I do understand DeanK has not used a DEX, but his informative post including Pocket69's post from here at PS3HAX that he quoted his first post from are far more convincing then hundreds of people asking "if, what if, does this, who has" or stating "it should, it will".

      End to point; I've yet have the privileged of speaking with someone that has converted their machine and shared their experience. I do understand that both what Pockets69 and DeanK are based on time, effort and lots of research, but it's the best info to go on until people start trying it out and reporting back.
      I clearly have bias against? You don't know what you're talking about - I consider deank a friend. Doesn't mean I take everyone's word as gospel - unlike you do - all you have is 'trust' and 'oh I trust this person more than the next'.

      So just because a name or a certain person is attached to something, I have to automatically believe everything they're saying? This is what is ****ing up this world.

      It's thanks to 'trust' that you can have large systemic banking scams going on - because people don't do individual critical thinking and don't want to think that people (their superiors or people they hold in high esteem) might either be misinformed or lying out of their ass.

      Unless you have a debug machine, you cannot know yourself. It's that simple. You can debate it back and forth but that's what it boils down to.

      And please, I have no more interest in continuing this discussion with you. Bottom line - yes, you can play backups on DEX. Is it easy? No. Might it be too hard or inconvenient for Joe Schmoe? Yes it might, but who gives a damn really? What other alternatives do you have to go to? Vapourware CFWs where the main 'developer' bragged about how he was going to find ECDSA collisions? That never went anywhere now did it? Do you honestly believe 'any' of the people in this scenehave the talent or the integrity to develop something that will blow the PS3 wide open AND share it? **** no - all they had was this 'hack' that they 'illegally obtained' - that's it. Oh, they have bootldr now - but really, who cares - your supply of 'exploitable' consoles is going to run out sooner or later - so for all things considered, the scene is still 'dead'.

      Seriously, your entire 'contribution' in this thread is worthless because you cannot possibly 'KNOW since you do not have such a device'. Therefore, what's the point even debating? And I'm not being hardball against you - I'm simply stating the facts - that without having done something or without owning the subject matter, you cannot know for sure.

      And yes, I agree with Gregory that it's hypocritical for a guy like gamba to hold onto a method he apparently knows works - buddy, spill the beans - don't become a little make-pretender 'elite' yourself just because you know 1 or 2 things - again, what the **** is up with this scene where everybody wants to appear special?

      This whole scene has an attitude and a mentality problem. Until that is fixed, yes, jenny, I will not 'respect' or trust' any of the 'devs' (bull**** word really - it's applied to everybody these days) like you do. You can put your blind trust in these chaps because you have not seen the utter corruption and **** that has gone on - I do. In fact, people here on this forum send me PMs and tell me **** in private that they apparently are too afraid to spill the beans on - people they know that are in the limelight and act like total ******bags and pieces of **** - it's what kills me - everybody in this scene is goddamn afraid - afraid of what? This 'scene' is not about drug smuggling - there's no mafia - it's a scene about a damn 'videogame console'. Who the **** cares if certain autistic hillbillies with small packages are gonna get mad on IRC? What, are they going to threaten you with calling up their office in Amsterdam or some dumb **** like that? Is big bad Sony going to fly over your house with black helicopters? Of course not - people can't do **** - they can play their make-pretend Don Corleone/Scarface act on IRC and threaten you with'you gonna be DOXed / I'm gonna report you to Sony / blabla'. Ooh, me so afraid now - I better play ball now.

    54. jennys
      07-17-2012
      03:04 AM
      54

      Originally Posted by Squarepusher2
      I clearly have bias against? You don't know what you're talking about - I consider deank a friend. Doesn't mean I take everyone's word as gospel - unlike you do - all you have is 'trust' and 'oh I trust this person more than the next'.

      And please, I have no more interest in continuing this discussion with you.
      I never stated you have bias against DeanK I was referring to your out lash in the rant you posted.

      I also do not remember us even having a conversation; unless you call a single reply to your snide comments a conversation. This is now the second time I've replied to your comments which I guess could make it a very, very short conversation,but by the looks of it you're having a conversation with yourself!!

      I like the rant; were you drunk writing it? I wish you would spend more time on your emulator GUI's then talking trash to little ol' me on some forum, but since we're not having this conversation I'll say bye.

    55. GraVoX959
      07-17-2012
      03:30 AM
      55

      Originally Posted by raddog
      [MENTION=230356]Squarepusher2[/MENTION] is it possible to make the cex2dex simpler without linux and just with a ps3 app?....just curious.
      Its possible but quite hard, and really, soon all you will have to do is boot into a Live Linux on an USB stick and type "cd metldrpwn , sudo ./run.sh" The rest will be done on GameOS and a Windows machine.
      Thats about as easy as its going to get for the foreseeable future


      [MENTION=30153]ever[/MENTION]yone asking about "backups" Its something to do with building an image with ps3gen (SDK tools) I havent really read into it but Ive seen it bandied around a bit

      [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION] get off the damn emulator gui's. They serve their purpose perfectly. If you knew much about the PS3, you would realize it has limited resources and putting all the bloatware like screenshots, videos, etc into a GUI would be at a sacrifice to performance of the emulator itself.
      Set up your settings, and then just use mmCM from then on after.
      A fool could surely understand that dual shaders etc are much more important that a flashy way to load your ROM.

      OnTopic: Nice app Thanks for your contribution!
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      [MENTION=200136]BobbyBangin[/MENTION], just because mmCM loads the games does not mean he knows how its done!
      mmCM is more of a content handler in that sense.

    56. Squarepusher2
      07-17-2012
      03:33 AM
      56

      Originally Posted by jennys
      I never stated you have bias against DeanK I was referring to your out lash in the rant you posted.

      I also do not remember us even having a conversation; unless you call a single reply to your snide comments a conversation. This is now the second time I've replied to your comments which I guess could make it a very, very short conversation,but by the looks of it you're having a conversation with yourself!!
      My 'snide' comments? No, they're putting you in your place - an idiotic end user talking about things he/she has little to no understanding of.

      I like the rant; were you drunk writing it?
      No, I'm not - I deliver my 'rants' with passion because it's what I believe, and I don't give a **** who I offend in the process. I only say what needs to be said.

      I wish you would spend more time on your emulator GUI's then talking trash to little ol' me on some forum, but since we're not having this conversation I'll say bye.
      Seriously, talking about 'snide comments' -

      Oh sorry missy, I only spent far too much time on my 'emulator GUIs' (note - they're not 'GUIs' - and it's not a 'GUI' I'm writing) than I should realistically even afford to - you think I've been slacking off or something? I don't see any income out of this and I don't see myself asking for any monetary donations, so how about you shut your big mouth on matters you know nothing of and try not to piss off the few remaining devs who give a ****?

      BTW, the GUI (again, it's not a 'GUI' - it's debug fonts with a shader placing the background image) is fine as it is - only idiotic end-users (you seem to fit the bill) would put embellishments before the core functionality. So no, I try not to appeal to idiots like you - if you want a better GUI, Multiman or any other frontend can do and RetroArch will plug into it. End of story. You can whine and hiss about it as long as you want - if you want a 'better' GUI, go write it yourself. I want to keep the memory footprint low and not waste it on frivolous crap like a fancypants GUI. Perhaps you don't see the need for doing such a thing - that's why you're not a programmer.

    57. GregoryRasputin
      07-17-2012
      03:54 AM
      57

      So much pent up sexual frustration towards a female user O_O

    58. Razorbacktrack
      07-17-2012
      04:44 AM
      58

      I have a problem . I can't start debian on my ps3. I start petitboot, I select the first option but I only receive "system is going down now". What should I do ?

    59. GraVoX959
      07-17-2012
      05:17 AM
      59

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      So much pent up sexual frustration towards a female user O_O
      Retarded women have one thing in common with retarded men......
      I take my sexual frustration out on my cat.. and sometimes my wife if shes lucky

    60. GregoryRasputin
      07-17-2012
      05:19 AM
      60

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      I take my sexual frustration out on my cat..lucky
      Lucky cat....

    61. tenoob
      07-17-2012
      08:22 AM
      61

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      So much pent up sexual frustration towards a female user O_O
      We have female users?

      Lies...if there were female users on this site you best believe I'd of banged them.

      Women have flown across continents just to hold my dongle in their hands,
      and yes they have also inserted my dongle into their 'console'. xD

      Sorry guys, perhaps you should of considered cloning my dongle if you want to have a chance.

    62. Sidewinder_2011
      07-17-2012
      08:27 AM
      62

      Originally Posted by tenoob
      We have female users?

      Lies...if there were female users on this site you best believe I'd of banged them.

      Women have flown across continents just to hold my dongle in their hands,
      and yes they have also inserted my dongle into their 'console'. xD

      Sorry guys, perhaps you should of considered cloning my dongle if you want to have a chance.
      no thanks, i dont like stuff attached to my head lol

    63. Psgameboy
      07-17-2012
      08:52 AM
      63

      Originally Posted by Squarepusher2
      Oh, they have bootldr now - but really, who cares - your supply of 'exploitable' consoles is going to run out sooner or later - so for all things considered, the scene is still 'dead'.
      It's not that I doubt your resource or anything, but if what you say is based on true facts, I actually see some bright hope to this scene.

      Last I've 'heard', someone has mentioned that there is a breakthrough of downgrading those 3000x consoles. now if you combine your info with this 'rumor', then adding a compatible drivers to those consoles for a new 3.55 mfw is much more doable than it was before (by not knowing how the drivers were coded).
      More than that, being able to decrypt the latest fws might actually bring Kakarotok's exploit back to life again on every console.

      Anyway, lets just hope that what you've said is true.

    64. Razorbacktrack
      07-17-2012
      10:42 AM
      64

      Originally Posted by Razorbacktrack
      I have a problem . I can't start debian on my ps3. I start petitboot, I select the first option but I only receive "system is going down now". What should I do ?
      I still need help..

    65. jennys
      07-17-2012
      10:44 AM
      65

      Originally Posted by Squarepusher2
      My 'snide' comments? No, they're putting you in your place - an idiotic end user talking about things he/she has little to no understanding of.
      Boring ... Now to navigate to the CP and find that handy ignore feature.

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      get off the damn emulator gui's. They serve their purpose perfectly. If you knew much about the PS3, you would realize it has limited resources and putting all the bloatware like screenshots, videos, etc into a GUI would be at a sacrifice to performance of the emulator itself.
      Yes, very limited indeed. Multiman shows just how limited the PS3 is with handling GUI's and Showtime's ability to playback 1080p also shows how limited the PS3 is. ROFL.

    66. GraVoX959
      07-17-2012
      11:34 AM
      66

      Originally Posted by jennys
      Boring ... Now to navigate to the CP and find that handy ignore feature.



      Yes, very limited indeed. Multiman shows just how limited the PS3 is with handling GUI's and Showtime's ability to playback 1080p also shows how limited the PS3 is. ROFL.
      Errrr you don't seem to understand any of it.
      Let me guess, you think because your XBOX1 can do it all why can't the PS3?

      I find it.. well, stupid to say the least that you have the most feature rich, fastest and most optimized emulators you will find on any system (PC included). Yet you complain about a menu to load the ****in thing.
      Especially when the man who is maintaining them has said that
      flashing it all up will sacrifice features and speed.

      Do you know how much RAM it takes to load a simple text editor on this machine?
      Do you wonder why there are no multitasking apps on here?
      The PSP has the best multitasking app of all time, the PS3 is a lot bigger so should be able to do more right? No, not right. Its not a simple process of thinking, "its big it can do this"

      As for comparing mmCM, showtime & emulators... that's just rediculous and a moot argument.

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

    67. badhabit
      07-17-2012
      11:51 AM
      67

      Originally Posted by Squarepusher2
      What, are they going to threaten you with calling up their office in Amsterdam or some dumb **** like that?
      hahahaha .. epic ..

    68. gDrive
      07-17-2012
      12:33 PM
      68

      Give [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION] uLaunchELF - that'll cure her!

    69. SuperDre
      07-17-2012
      12:38 PM
      69

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      Its possible but quite hard, and really, soon all you will have to do is boot into a Live Linux on an USB stick and type "cd metldrpwn , sudo ./run.sh" The rest will be done on GameOS and a Windows machine.
      Thats about as easy as its going to get for the foreseeable future
      Why not go all the way and make it all work from one single command from the live linux, as everything can be done using linux, nothing has to be done from GameOS or Windows.. Easiest would be to do it all from GameOS itself if there was a possibility to write the modified flash back (as as far as I know we already can dump the needed stuff from GameOS, we have a windows application to do all conversion (which ofcourse can also be created as a Homebrew app)..


      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION] get off the damn emulator gui's. They serve their purpose perfectly. If you knew much about the PS3, you would realize it has limited resources and putting all the bloatware like screenshots, videos, etc into a GUI would be at a sacrifice to performance of the emulator itself.
      Why would a GUI sacrifice the performance of the emulator itself? Images/video's can be loaded when needed etc, we did stuff like that ages ago when we even had much MUCH less memory.. It's all up to the developer to solve stuff like that creatively or rather using common sense.. A lot of currentday devvers are so used to just eat up a lot of memory that they really don't know what to do if they have only a small portion on their hands..

    70. GregoryRasputin
      07-17-2012
      12:41 PM
      70

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      Let me guess, you think because your XBOX1 can do it all why can't the PS3?
      *Off Topic

      My favourite console, even more so when it was modded, i loved my Xecutor 2.

    71. GraVoX959
      07-17-2012
      12:52 PM
      71

      Originally Posted by SuperDre
      Why not go all the way and make it all work from one single command from the live linux, as everything can be done using linux, nothing has to be done from GameOS or Windows.. Easiest would be to do it all from GameOS itself if there was a possibility to write the modified flash back (as as far as I know we already can dump the needed stuff from GameOS, we have a windows application to do all conversion (which ofcourse can also be created as a Homebrew app)..




      Why would a GUI sacrifice the performance of the emulator itself? Images/video's can be loaded when needed etc, we did stuff like that ages ago when we even had much MUCH less memory.. It's all up to the developer to solve stuff like that creatively or rather using common sense.. A lot of currentday devvers are so used to just eat up a lot of memory that they really don't know what to do if they have only a small portion on their hands..
      The flash back is easy and actually done.. but yeah most stuff that can be done in Linux can be done from GameOS, just a matter of motivation and time.

      I'll let square explain why a GUI would bog down his emus, I've seen him explain it in the past.
      The PS3 really has not much RAM to play with, hence no multitasking iR Shell type apps.
      I remember Math even saying the PS3 was **** for multitasking wayyyy back

      [MENTION=191587]gDrive[/MENTION] uLaunchELF ftw!

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

    72. maneo
      07-17-2012
      01:14 PM
      72

      Can I use MemDump v0.01 to dump the NOR Flash from 3.55 kmeaw and patch it?

    73. Squarepusher2
      07-17-2012
      01:27 PM
      73

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959

      I'll let square explain why a GUI would bog down his emus, I've seen him explain it in the past.
      The PS3 really has not much RAM to play with, hence no multitasking iR Shell type apps.
      I remember Math even saying the PS3 was **** for multitasking wayyyy back
      Honestly, I do not get all these people saying the current GUI is ugly or anything like that.

      It's functional - it needs what I need it to do - and it actually looks better compared to how the standalone PS3 emulators used to look.

      I have zero interest in providing a GUI like what is shown in Showtime or Multiman - seriously, I focus on the serious stuff, which is != GUIs.

      This is what the Multiman integration is there for - this is why RetroArch has an extensive argument parsing system, so that others could conceivably make their own frontend that provides them with all the memorydraining fanciness their hearts desire.

      BTW, to the people wanting some eye candy - I actually provide stuff that no other emulator, no other port has ever done before - why don't you look at the manual shader for instance, or the border shaders? At least that is functional - it does something in-game that actually has a purpose - can't say the same for 'oh let's look at lots of nice boxart before I pick and choose a ROM'.

      And besides - PS3 is only one part of the whole game at this point - consider it a privilege I even dedicate that much attention to it if you consider how 'active' the scene is compared to 360 - I could have just moved shop and focused all attention there, but no, I cater to Xbox 1, Wii, PS3, and 360 - because that's how nuts I am.

      But of course, to some potty mouth childish clown, a dumb-ass GUI that 'looks nice' is much more important. Typical for a spoiled brat - it's like she needs to have her Gucci handbag and her Prada shoes or whatever the **** she's interested in otherwise she doesn't feel 'woman-like'. Also, by all means do put me on the 'Ignore' list - that's what little kids from the Internet era usually say when they're all out of gum.

      Oh BTW - now with the tutorial being out there that shows you can backup games and play can, how about some 'eat crow' there? Where are your 'scene experts' now that were telling you this couldn't be done?

    74. tenoob
      07-17-2012
      01:30 PM
      74

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      no thanks, i dont like stuff attached to my head lol
      That made me fall out of my chair, good response.

    75. Squarepusher2
      07-17-2012
      01:35 PM
      75

      Originally Posted by SuperDre
      Why would a GUI sacrifice the performance of the emulator itself? Images/video's can be loaded when needed etc, we did stuff like that ages ago when we even had much MUCH less memory.. It's all up to the developer to solve stuff like that creatively or rather using common sense.. A lot of currentday devvers are so used to just eat up a lot of memory that they really don't know what to do if they have only a small portion on their hands..
      Because I don't consider it to be important.

      Seriously, if you believe this -

      http://www.logic-sunrise.com/images/...machines-2.png

      is so incredibly ugly that you can't bother with RetroArch, then please don't bother with it then - I consider people like that hipsters and have zero desire to cater to them.

    76. GregoryRasputin
      07-17-2012
      01:35 PM
      76

      Originally Posted by Squarepusher2
      I cater to Xbox 1, Wii, PS3, and 360 - because that's how nuts I am.
      I think ill consider getting an Xbox 1 again, in my opinion it is the best all round home brew machine.

      Originally Posted by Squarepusher2
      But of course, to some potty mouth childish clown, a dumb-ass GUI that 'looks nice' is much more important. Typical for a girl - it's like she needs to have her Gucci handbag and her Prada shoes or whatever the **** you're interested in otherwise you don't feel 'woman-like'.
      I have a weird feeling she is in her late 30's early 40's, so not quite a girl any more, but i could be wrong, apologies if im wrong...

    77. jennys
      07-17-2012
      01:53 PM
      77

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      Errrr you don't seem to understand any of it.
      Let me guess, you think because your XBOX1 can do it all why can't the PS3?
      It is not the fault of the PS3 or it's development libraries that the author is unable to utilize it in a memory efficient manner to implement a good GUI. As a programmer who has worked with limited systems all my life I know there are many ways to accomplish tasks and it seems the author rather slam others on forums then spend time fixing his poorly ported emulator collection and refine it's GUI systems.

      It seems the author is hell bent on bashing others so excuse my bluntness, but he makes excuses on why this or that cannot be done and then talks badly about you if your opinion differs. If he were to lighten up and change his smite attitude to something more of the lines of "I can do this, I want to do this, I will do this" then maybe he will pull that shopping cart out of his arse and accomplish something more then smack talking on a forum by using his supposed allmightly knowledge to put you "in your place".

      I could code up a better GUI in QB 4.5 for DOS then he currently has on a 286 w/512Kb RAM (excluding the emulators of course) in 32-bit color at 1024x768 using custom made ASM libs.

    78. GregoryRasputin
      07-17-2012
      01:56 PM
      78

      Originally Posted by jennys
      As a programmer who has worked with limited systems all my life I know there are many ways to accomplish tasks and it seems the author rather slam others on forums then spend time fixing his poorly ported emulator collection and refine it's GUI systems.
      So then grab the source code and add your own GUI ?

    79. lewy20041
      07-17-2012
      01:58 PM
      79

      i still have xbox 1 in my bedroom hooked up to crt tv and its doing fine with xbmc on it. it was and still is gratest media center and gameing console ever

    80. jennys
      07-17-2012
      02:12 PM
      80

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      So then grab the source code and add your own GUI ?
      I probably could, but there would be a delay due to dealing with never working on the PS3 platform. However, I would never help this guy out with anything due to how he has treated me and others. For that same reason I probably would not never mentioned his GUI in such a vulgar manner. He might know how to port code, but he needs an attitude adjustment. He talks bad about other people/devs and looks down on them, but he has the same attitude he says he dislikes about them. He is the same as the rest of the stuck up developers and now I see first hand why some of you dislike people like him. Anyway, he's on ignore and I find this matter boring now.

      ps - I still own an XBOX and it's modified.

    81. Nicolas19
      07-17-2012
      02:49 PM
      81

      I have problem with this APP
      I Extracted my METLDR Of Flash With This App and a new file was created.This File is METLDR Dump?
      if this is METLDR Dump Why in "METLDR Dump" Section i cant load that?

    82. SuperDre
      07-17-2012
      03:04 PM
      82

      Originally Posted by Squarepusher2
      Because I don't consider it to be important.

      Seriously, if you believe this -

      http://www.logic-sunrise.com/images/...machines-2.png

      is so incredibly ugly that you can't bother with RetroArch, then please don't bother with it then - I consider people like that hipsters and have zero desire to cater to them.
      Sorry Squarepusher2, it never was an attack on you or what you are doing, it was just an answer to the person who claimed that ****e..
      For me the GUI of RetroArch as I see this picture for the very first time, is more than enough..
      Personally I f-ing hate the boring 'borders' around the games in Sega's emulator pack, it's even one of the things why I still haven't bought it.. Why not just let me have black bars..
      At the moment I only have one emulator on my PS3, the snes one, and that's just because I had some CD's laying around with about every SNES game. I haven't looked at RetroArch yet, but will soon.. Once I get my development setup setup I'll even try and look into those emulators sourcewise, but first I'll have to learn how to use all those damn enviromental variables to setup links to specified libraries, as I'm soooo used to real project files with all path's setup through the IDE etc. But I've planned tomorrow for trying to understand that. Coding itself isn't difficult, hehe, it's my dayjob (only not C/C++).
      Hell, I might even look into creating a CEX2DEX through gameOS LOL... (don't count on it, my intentions are more towards homebrew games, with the first few being PS3 versions of some other games or maybe help those emulatordevs).

    83. malex
      07-17-2012
      03:05 PM
      83

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      ...I take my sexual frustration out on my cat.. and sometimes my wife if shes lucky
      That's not disturbing at all (google's a way to contact P.E.T.A.)

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      ...I have a weird feeling she is in her late 30's early 40's, so not quite a girl any more, but i could be wrong, apologies if im wrong...
      Brave man Greg... I don't venture into age guessing with women. Word of advice, if a woman ask you how old you think she is... RUN!

      Originally Posted by Nicolas19
      I have problem with this APP
      I Extracted my METLDR Of Flash With This App and a new file was created.This File is METLDR Dump?
      if this is METLDR Dump Why in "METLDR Dump" Section i cant load that?
      metldrpwn is your friend. Re-read the instructions my friend, it says it right there.

    84. hellsing9
      07-17-2012
      03:30 PM
      84

      I don't get how the whole thread derailed into a *battle* = Used ram on PS3, Emu, etc...
      Just in case = http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=40110

    85. BobbyBangin
      07-17-2012
      03:51 PM
      85

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      I don't get how the whole thread derailed into a *battle* = Used ram on PS3, Emu, etc...
      Just in case = http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=40110

    86. Squarepusher2
      07-17-2012
      03:52 PM
      86

      Originally Posted by jennys
      I probably could, but there would be a delay due to dealing with never working on the PS3 platform.
      It might have occurred to you that you that I don't give a rat's ass about any fancypants GUI code. I don't give a **** - what you get is functional enough, and if you don't consider that enough, then I don't care - get lost and use something else.

      However, I would never help this guy out with anything due to how he has treated me and others.
      Helping me out? I don't want your 'help' - nor do I recall ever asking your 'help' or needing anybody's help - because I dont' feel that anything is broken. If you don't like lightweight functional GUIs, that's your problem.

      For that same reason I probably would not never mentioned his GUI in such a vulgar manner. He might know how to port code, but he needs an attitude adjustment therefor he's on ignore and I find this matter boring now.
      I need an attitude adjustment - really now??? And you say this in the PS3 scene? Honey, I might think you'll find I'm the most swell guy around in this joke of a 'scene'.

      ps - I still own an XBOX and it's modified.
      Good for you - ask me if I give a ****.

      and it seems the author rather slam others on forums then spend time fixing his poorly ported emulator collection and refine it's GUI systems.
      'Poorly ported emulator collection' - really now? Because I don't see anything out there being better.

      Go ahead - point me to the 'examples' you think are better - and I'll gladly sort your sorry ass out as to why they're not better than my 'poorly ported emulator collection'.

      Seriously - a lot of bite and no bark. Tell me exactly how they are 'poorly ported'.

      And you're telling me that I need an 'attitude adjustment' when I do all this **** for free and don't ask for any donations? You don't even have a right to ***** about anything because you're not entitled to jack ****.

      Anyway, he's on ignore and I find this matter boring now.
      So for somebody who has only done a 'poorly ported emulator collection' - might I be entitled to know WTF you ever did? Go ahead - point me to whatever **** you have made that is oh so special.

      Kindly go **** yourself. Oh, and you can ram that GUI fetish so far up your ass it hurts your cheeks - that's how much of a **** I give about GUI fetishists.

    87. BobbyBangin
      07-17-2012
      03:59 PM
      87

      Originally Posted by Squarepusher2
      Helping me out? I don't want your 'help' - because I dont' feel that anything is broken. If you don't like lightweight functional GUIs, that's your problem.



      I need an attitude adjustment - really now??? And you say this in the PS3 scene? Honey, I might think you'll find I'm the most swell guy around in this joke of a 'scene'.



      Good for you - ask me if I give a ****.



      'Poorly ported emulator collection' - really now? Because I don't see anything out there being better.

      Go ahead - point me to the 'examples' you think are better - and I'll gladly sort your sorry ass out as to why they're not better than my 'poorly ported emulator collection'.

      Seriously - a lot of bite and no bark. Tell me exactly how they are 'poorly ported'.

      And you're telling me that I need an 'attitude adjustment' when I do all this **** for free and don't ask for any donations? You don't even have a right to ***** about anything because you're not entitled to jack ****.
      You do know you're arguing with a wall right? Btw...I really like the emulators. I love showing off to my friends how I can play any Super Nintendo game with my very similar in design PS3 controller. Super Mario World looks bad-ass on the flat screen in high def. Also, can't wait to convert from CEX-DEX but need to get another external first. My others are full. Hopefully there will be more simple solution so I don't have to pull another all nighter.

    88. dwood18
      07-17-2012
      04:01 PM
      88

      [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION] stop causing drama.

    89. Squarepusher2
      07-17-2012
      04:01 PM
      89

      Originally Posted by BobbyBangin
      You do know you're arguing with a wall right?
      Well excuse me that I get pissed when some whorish ***** starts throwing a temper tantrum about how whatever I do are a 'poorly ported collection of emulators' - seriously - I don't see myself doing any donation scams or raking in the big bucks like so many others did in this scene.

      And always this BS at the end attached to it that - 'oh yeah I could do better - blahblah' - well, then go ahead and DO IT. But see, we won't be seeing that anytime soon now will we?

      Always the same with these clowns - big mouth but they don't lead by example.

    90. Wolfie708
      07-17-2012
      04:04 PM
      90

      [MENTION=230356]Squarepusher2[/MENTION]

      No need to justify yourself mate, check her post history, she does it just to get a rise out of people.

      Ignore her/he/it and she'll soon stop it when the attention stops lol

    91. STL_cards_WS
      07-17-2012
      04:09 PM
      91

      [MENTION=230356]Squarepusher2[/MENTION]



      "poorly ported collection of emulators" Sorry [MENTION=7773]GregoryRasputin[/MENTION] i know i have this perma ban here. but lets set the record straight.. There is tons of work in these emulators.. They are actually better then the original hardware..

      Jenny STFU and get a clue on what is really the scene..

      Squarepusher Thanks for your work. and your well designed RetroArch and the great work in these fabulous libretro cores..

      you need a gui multiMAN will be great when its fully compatible which i believe lies on multiMAN shoulders now..


      -------

      Now you can ban me again.. Just had to get that out..


      .

    92. dwood18
      07-17-2012
      04:09 PM
      92

      [MENTION=230356]Squarepusher2[/MENTION] my thoughts exactly she hasn't created a emulator you do it free in alot of scenes she doesn't have the right to criticise something that's functional because you could do alot worse than RetroArch.

    93. hellsing9
      07-17-2012
      04:17 PM
      93

      Originally Posted by Squarepusher2
      Well excuse me that I get pissed when some whorish ***** starts throwing a temper tantrum about how whatever I do are a 'poorly ported collection of emulators' - seriously - I don't see myself doing any donation scams or raking in the big bucks like so many others did in this scene.

      And always this BS at the end attached to it that - 'oh yeah I could do better - blahblah' - well, then go ahead and DO IT. But see, we won't be seeing that anytime soon now will we?

      Always the same with these clowns - big mouth but they don't lead by example.
      Ignore it. Besides you are labeling *plural* As clown everybody because you have a problem with this (paradox) problematic user called [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION].

      You know WHO you are, what you done. I think ACTIONS speaks louder than words.
      So or you ignore the fact that [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION] exists or i will have to infract both of you (me a a clown moderator) for thread derail.

      Make up your minds and let me know.

    94. STL_cards_WS
      07-17-2012
      04:19 PM
      94

      Infraction for Sqaurepusher2?? , for defending his project.. Im sorry that is just not right..

      He got called out and he defended his projects

    95. hellsing9
      07-17-2012
      04:22 PM
      95

      Originally Posted by STL_cards_WS
      Infraction for Sqaurepusher2?? , for defending his project.. Im sorry that is just not right..

      He got called out and he defended his projects
      1) Something called Rules (derail)

      2) Something called moderator = me.

      It's Cex2DEX app thread, not a thread about if the GUI is not right or the ram is not enough, etc.

    96. willemse21
      07-17-2012
      04:22 PM
      96

      Take a beer

    97. Squarepusher2
      07-17-2012
      04:23 PM
      97

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      Ignore it. Besides you are labeling *plural* As clown everybody because you have a problem with this (paradox) problematic user called [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION].

      You know WHO you are, what you done. I think ACTIONS speaks louder than words.
      So or you ignore the fact that [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION] exists or i will have to infract both of you (me a a clown moderator) for thread derail.

      Make up your minds and let me know.
      I never called you a 'clown' and I don't see how you could extrapolate that out of what I said - but whatever.

      You want to threaten me into shutting up about this by 'warning' that I'm going to get an 'infraction'? You think I care about an infraction? Then you haven't known me for long enough then.

      When people call me out on ****, I will defend myself - it's that simple. I kept it related to CEX-DEX - don't blame me for you not getting a handle on this situation earlier - I haven't derailed jack ****.

    98. Wolfie708
      07-17-2012
      04:23 PM
      98

      Originally Posted by jennys
      I didn't start anything. I was trying to help answer questions when this developer jumps in and starts flipping out on me and then continues to. Just read from top to bottom. I was minding my own business trying to help people when he starts attacking me with large rants and harsh words (maybe some of what he said was correct, but he went about it like complete turd. So I gave it back to him and he didn't like that and flips out even more and tries to turn it around to make it out like I'm the bad girl.
      It has been entertaining.

      Remember in reality both of us are causing drama regardless of who started what...

      Sir [MENTION=101277]Wolfie708[/MENTION] has biased as in our first encounter he told me not to judge others ability to write English and then at the same time was judging my ability write English. Ever since I pointed this out he's been pissy with me. I had to defend myself on that one.

      All is good as usual, but I promise this is my last post here so no more jenny-drama.

      bye bye xxooxxoo
      Corrected, but thank you for acknowledging my Title

    99. Simonbuck
      07-17-2012
      04:24 PM
      99

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      I have a weird feeling she is in her late 30's early 40's, so not quite a girl any more, but i could be wrong, apologies if im wrong...

    100. Eiji
      07-17-2012
      04:28 PM
      100

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      I have a weird feeling she is in her late 30's early 40's, so not quite a girl any more, but i could be wrong, apologies if im wrong...
      A cougar? Even worse

    101. hellsing9
      07-17-2012
      04:33 PM
      101

      If you have enough background history as a dev, why fight with a troll? [MENTION=230356]Squarepusher2[/MENTION] you proved being right since the conversation started.
      I was watching, it's not about handle the situation earlier, but you don't stop man.
      You are right, but you are *Wrong* in defending something that you know it's yours and nobody can take it from you against someone that likes to troll often (Very often).

    102. Wolfie708
      07-17-2012
      04:35 PM
      102

      Originally Posted by Eiji
      A cougar? Even worse
      I like cougars........ Actually, I like all forms of pussy lol

    103. Eiji
      07-17-2012
      04:38 PM
      103

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      I like cougars........ Actually, I like all forms of pussy lol

    104. Squarepusher2
      07-17-2012
      04:47 PM
      104

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      If you have enough background history as a dev, why fight with a troll? [MENTION=230356]Squarepusher2[/MENTION] you proved being right since the conversation started.
      I was watching, it's not about handle the situation earlier, but you don't stop man.
      You are right, but you are *Wrong* in defending something that you know it's yours and nobody can take it from you against someone that likes to troll often (Very often).
      Alright then.

    105. hellsing9
      07-17-2012
      05:16 PM
      105

      [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION] just in case i will be watching you, you are crossing a thin line with no way back. So if you don't care to voice your opinion at least learn how to deal when someone who done serious progress voice his opinion. (like [MENTION=230356]Squarepusher2[/MENTION]) did and his has a serious background to reply to anyone. Is a user with strong convictions and (hard headed) that you have to stop it from time to time . (not even an infract will stop *cole train*) xD and he is right i will engage the same way if someone comes and question my work. But as my role here as a MOD i have to stop the situation.
      Again [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION] I will suggest to stay back from this kind of topic or just try to get the worse of each one who you had an *encounter* here with an important clash of different points of views/ideas.


      So:
      Eyes on you. [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION]

      P.s: Both infracts can be lifted and you know it's a board. So no hard feelings.

    106. tenoob
      07-17-2012
      05:22 PM
      106

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      I like cougars........ Actually, I like all forms of pussy lol
      I used to as well, until I saw this one Irish chicks clit that looked like a f****** expired pastrami sandwich.

    107. malex
      07-17-2012
      05:31 PM
      107

      Originally Posted by Eiji
      LOL! most appropriate response EVAH!

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      ...So:
      Eyes on you. [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION]
      ...
      Stalker?

      Originally Posted by tenoob
      I used to as well, until I saw this one Irish chicks clit that looked like a f****** expired pastrami sandwich.
      Hmmm... yep, let me file that little story... hmmm... oh here it is "Did not need to know" drawer.

      This has got to be the wildest threat I've seen in a few. Anyways, I'm actually thinking of going back to stock 3.55 to do the process from scratch since I've never really messed around with petitboot. Maybe it'll be a little project for the weekend.

    108. hellsing9
      07-17-2012
      05:33 PM
      108

      [MENTION=204892]malex[/MENTION]



    109. Spungy
      07-17-2012
      05:36 PM
      109

      Originally Posted by maneo
      Can I use MemDump v0.01 to dump the NOR Flash from 3.55 kmeaw and patch it?
      Yeah why cant the nand just be dumped by this?

    110. malex
      07-17-2012
      05:36 PM
      110

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      [MENTION=204892]malex[/MENTION]



      ... don't creep me out man

      LOL!

    111. hellsing9
      07-17-2012
      05:43 PM
      111

      Even jenny's wolverine claws achieved to reach Sir [MENTION=101277]Wolfie708[/MENTION] for no reason at all xD.

      EYE HAVE YOU.

    112. Mistawes
      07-17-2012
      08:27 PM
      112

      Well this definitely works.. I was away for the weekend so couldn't try it, just read about it!

      I tried Bleh's guide and had problems, so swapped over to Technodon's and ended up using RR RC5 + Gitbrew's 1/8 OOS++.

      Trying to dump my NOR took forever using dump_flash.pkg so used MemDump instead and worked a treat. I used Preloader 3.1 to flash my dex.bin straight from gunner54's app (took about 40 minutes) to write to PS3.. Was tense, I've got no hardware flasher!

      Everything else went smoothly IIRC.

      Delighted to see that debugging mode on my beast!

      Thanks to everyone involved!

      I thought it was relatively easy, but very time consuming! Took me 7 hours all in, my cr@p keyboard defo didn't help! Will be much quicker next time.

      Tomorrow I've gotta try bust some myths.. After an aptitude test that is!

    113. svenmullet
      07-17-2012
      08:55 PM
      113

      I flashed (in linux) the dexnor.bin I generated last night, and now I have a 'new' toy to play with :D [MENTION=102388]Mistawes[/MENTION] I also used the technodon guide, there was no mention of a drivefix, and my BD works fine without doing anything further, so what does the drivefix do? Does it allow playback of BD movies? Because mine reads PS3 discs just fine...

      I'm about to start making a dex 3.55MFW, any pointers?

    114. Mistawes
      07-17-2012
      09:03 PM
      114

      Originally Posted by svenmullet
      I also used the technodon guide, there was no mention of a drivefix, and my BD works fine without doing anything further, so what does the drivefix do? Does it allow playback of BD movies? Because mine reads PS3 discs just fine...

      I'm about to start making a dex 3.55MFW, any pointers?
      Yeah, it's just for BD movies IIRC (I don't own any BD movies).

      I'm going to try that tomorrow, build a dex 3.55 with P+P and OOS++ and waste a few hours testing things out! Gotta re-install the SDK too, my old HDD died!

      JOY!!!

    115. malex
      07-17-2012
      11:18 PM
      115

      Originally Posted by Mistawes
      ...Took me 7 hours all in...
      Ouch, that does not sound appealing. I was planning on dedicating 2 - 3 hours during the weekend since I plan to do everything from scratch, but I don't know if I want to set myself up to spend all day in the house playing around with the ps3.

    116. GraVoX959
      07-18-2012
      03:26 AM
      116

      Originally Posted by malex
      Ouch, that does not sound appealing. I was planning on dedicating 2 - 3 hours during the weekend since I plan to do everything from scratch, but I don't know if I want to set myself up to spend all day in the house playing around with the ps3.
      Just get the red ribbon rc5 img.. extract it to a USB. Install all the OtherOS stuff and you will be ready for a very fast and cool surprise that's coming soon :D

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

    117. BobbyBangin
      07-18-2012
      03:30 AM
      117

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      Just get the red ribbon rc5 img.. extract it to a USB. Install all the OtherOS stuff and you will be ready for a very fast and cool surprise that's coming soon :D

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
      Dammit...why'd you have to go and say something like that just when I was getting ready to go to sleep. What to do...what to do...

    118. DEFAULTDNB
      07-18-2012
      03:33 AM
      118

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      Just get the red ribbon rc5 img.. extract it to a USB. Install all the OtherOS stuff and you will be ready for a very fast and cool surprise that's coming soon :D

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
      Been waiting for this since you first mentioned it. Prepping now.

    119. GraVoX959
      07-18-2012
      03:36 AM
      119

      [MENTION=200136]BobbyBangin[/MENTION] go to sleep dude
      It will come when it comes

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

    120. BobbyBangin
      07-18-2012
      03:41 AM
      120

      [MENTION=179936]GraVoX959[/MENTION] I'm taking your advice on both. I got the red ribbon and now I'm going to sleep. Would it be too much to ask of you to PM me a link to the best tutorial to install OtherOS? If not I'll just search it. Thanks.

    121. DEFAULTDNB
      07-18-2012
      03:43 AM
      121

      http://www.ps3devwiki.com/wiki/Other...ith_SS_Patches

      I need a new external HDD to back up my PS3's contents 90+gb to back up ... derp.

    122. GraVoX959
      07-18-2012
      03:49 AM
      122

      Originally Posted by BobbyBangin
      [MENTION=179936]GraVoX959[/MENTION] I'm taking your advice on both. I got the red ribbon and now I'm going to sleep. Would it be too much to ask of you to PM me a link to the best tutorial to install OtherOS? If not I'll just search it. Thanks.
      There will be a tutorial with it, if not I'll guide ya through it

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

    123. pete_uk
      07-18-2012
      04:58 AM
      123

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      Just get the red ribbon rc5 img.. extract it to a USB. Install all the OtherOS stuff and you will be ready for a very fast and cool surprise that's coming soon :D

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
      NAND & NOR?

    124. g3dn
      07-18-2012
      07:17 AM
      124

      Appreciate if someone can answer my questions about DEX (assuming I already converted my CEX ps3 to DEX and installed 4.11 DEX firmware:

      1.) 3.55 and below back-up games on external and internal HD can be played directly with BD emulator or back-up managers?

      2.) Can I downgrade from 4.11 DEX back to 3.55 DEX?

      3.) Can I revert back to CEX firmware?

      4.) If I can downgrade to 3.55 and revert back to CEX, is it possible that I can reinstall 3.55 CFW after downgrading and reverting back to CEX?

    125. malex
      07-18-2012
      08:41 AM
      125

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      Just get the red ribbon rc5 img.. extract it to a USB. Install all the OtherOS stuff and you will be ready for a very fast and cool surprise that's coming soon :D

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
      As long as it doesn't take me 7 hours man I wasn't sure if I should do the conversion since I'm not sure if most homebrew will work right now, or if they have to be re-signed (care to answer that one for me?), but I figure I should play it safe and do it now just in case sony goes DMCA crazy on everybody sharing files/info regarding this.... maybe they won't, but now that kotaku has made stuff truly public sony will probably feel obligated to do something about it... and we know how ninja they are about being absolute d*chebags.

      Thanks for the info again, I'll download the image today and maybe tomorrow I'll flash back to stock 3.55 and get everything ready for the saturday morning.

    126. gDrive
      07-18-2012
      04:32 PM
      126

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959

      @gDrive uLaunchELF ftw!
      Haha damn right!

    127. J-panic
      07-18-2012
      08:48 PM
      127

      does this mean that we have still a DEX after updating from a DEX? and can play games over FW4.00 soon?

    128. frwololo
      07-18-2012
      11:21 PM
      128

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      I find it.. well, stupid to say the least that you have the most feature rich, fastest and most optimized emulators you will find on any system (PC included). Yet you complain about a menu to load the ****in thing.
      Especially when the man who is maintaining them has said that
      flashing it all up will sacrifice features and speed.

      Do you know how much RAM it takes to load a simple text editor on this machine?
      Do you wonder why there are no multitasking apps on here?
      The PSP has the best multitasking app of all time, the PS3 is a lot bigger so should be able to do more right? No, not right. Its not a simple process of thinking, "its big it can do this"
      Hey Gravox, let me respectfully disagree here.
      I know it's completely off topic, but on any platform, the gui can be easily separated from the actual features. The result is that the GUI of any "loader" (emu) could be loaded/unloaded at will, in order to free the resources for the applications.
      In other words:
      - loader backend lives in ram, takes only a few kb
      - loader backend loads the GUI to navigate through features
      - user selects something to run with the gui
      - the gui communicates the user's choice to the backend
      - backend unloads the gui, and loads whatever app/rom the user requested
      - when the app exits, backend gets notified with a hook and loads the GUI again.

      No magic involved. Somebody who says their loader can't have a nice GUI because it would take resources away from whatever other process the gui is supposed to launch, is someone who does not really know what they are talking about.

      It's possible I'm missing some context here, just saw your name in a sea of comments and I like to read what you write, so when I saw something that sounds fundamentally wrong to me I couldn't resist the urge to reply

      Also, just to confirm I'm not talking out of my a##, this is how HBL works on the PSP and the Vita. We can load whatever gui we want for the loader menu, it can be as complex as we want, eat up all the ram if it wants, we don't care, because it is of course unloaded before loading other applications.

      Of course, if the gui needs to be dynamically loaded while playing a game (something quite frequent with emus), then maybe a minimal gui needs to be done at that point, but even here I could picture a system where 1) the backend takes a screenshot of the ongoing game, does a savestate somewhere on the disk, unloads the game, reloads the gui while showing the screenshot (to make it look like the game is still "paused" in the background), then once the gui is closed again and unloaded, reload the savestate from the disk.

      Of course that's lot of work just for eye candy, which is not really the goal of emulators' menus. But saying it is not doable because of technical limitations of the machine is incorrect.

    129. Rautz
      07-19-2012
      05:29 AM
      129

      Originally Posted by Squarepusher2
      It might have occurred to you that you that I don't give a rat's ass about any fancypants GUI code. I don't give a **** - what you get is functional enough, and if you don't consider that enough, then I don't care - get lost and use something else.



      Helping me out? I don't want your 'help' - nor do I recall ever asking your 'help' or needing anybody's help - because I dont' feel that anything is broken. If you don't like lightweight functional GUIs, that's your problem.



      I need an attitude adjustment - really now??? And you say this in the PS3 scene? Honey, I might think you'll find I'm the most swell guy around in this joke of a 'scene'.



      Good for you - ask me if I give a ****.


      Kindly go **** yourself. Oh, and you can ram that GUI fetish so far up your ass it hurts your cheeks - that's how much of a **** I give about GUI fetishists.
      After reading this, I wish I could share this blunt with you right now. That was some epicness in a post!!! LOL

    130. Squarepusher2
      07-19-2012
      06:51 AM
      130

      Originally Posted by frwololo
      Hey Gravox, let me respectfully disagree here.
      I know it's completely off topic, but on any platform, the gui can be easily separated from the actual features. The result is that the GUI of any "loader" (emu) could be loaded/unloaded at will, in order to free the resources for the applications.
      In other words:
      - loader backend lives in ram, takes only a few kb
      - loader backend loads the GUI to navigate through features
      - user selects something to run with the gui
      - the gui communicates the user's choice to the backend
      - backend unloads the gui, and loads whatever app/rom the user requested
      - when the app exits, backend gets notified with a hook and loads the GUI again.

      No magic involved. Somebody who says their loader can't have a nice GUI because it would take resources away from whatever other process the gui is supposed to launch, is someone who does not really know what they are talking about.

      It's possible I'm missing some context here, just saw your name in a sea of comments and I like to read what you write, so when I saw something that sounds fundamentally wrong to me I couldn't resist the urge to reply

      Also, just to confirm I'm not talking out of my a##, this is how HBL works on the PSP and the Vita. We can load whatever gui we want for the loader menu, it can be as complex as we want, eat up all the ram if it wants, we don't care, because it is of course unloaded before loading other applications.

      Of course, if the gui needs to be dynamically loaded while playing a game (something quite frequent with emus), then maybe a minimal gui needs to be done at that point, but even here I could picture a system where 1) the backend takes a screenshot of the ongoing game, does a savestate somewhere on the disk, unloads the game, reloads the gui while showing the screenshot (to make it look like the game is still "paused" in the background), then once the gui is closed again and unloaded, reload the savestate from the disk.

      Of course that's lot of work just for eye candy, which is not really the goal of emulators' menus. But saying it is not doable because of technical limitations of the machine is incorrect.
      RetroArch has an extensive argument parsing system that GUI frontends like Multiman can take advantage of. The main guy I'm developing RetroArch with - Maister - is a UNIX coder who doesn't care or have any interest in fancypants GUIs. Neither do I.

      So therefore, what you get for RetroArch PS3 is simple - you get a menu shader which applies a background to the screen - you get some debug fonts overlaid on top of it - I try not to make it look too ugly - if you load a game and then go back to the menu, it gets applied as an overlay alpha blended image onto the screen - overall,it looks good enough and there's a minimum amount of resources being used.

      This is good enough for me, and it's good enough for a lot of people it seems.

      I never claimed that something like RetroArch couldn't be made to have the Multiman GUI or Showtime GUI built into it, so I'd appreciate it if people didn't put words in my mouth on that front - it's just that I elect not to. RetroArch's repo needs to be low on fluff and big on functionality - and all those fancy images and backgrounds are going to take up a lot of space on the repo and a lot of time loading using the PS3's built-in image loading routines.

      Simply put, I don't know what it's going to take for people to accept that I'm not willing to go down the road of GUI bloat. I've seen some emulators in the PSP camp (such as Exophase's gpSP) - seriously, if you consider my GUI 'minimal' - what would you consider that? Not to cast aspersions but what you're getting in RetroArch PS3 is 'good enough'. If people want something better - go for it - you can plug into RetroArch's argument parsing system and built a GUI around it - more power to anyone who does it.

      BTW - I'm also in charge of a Wii, 360 and Xbox 1 port of RetroArch - and let me tell you, memory resources are very much a serious, serious problem. Case in point - VBA-M alone sets up a 32MB ROM buffer at startup because the original codebase did not have the foresight to check the filesize of the ROM it's loading - so that means you take out almost half of your available system RAM on Wii/Xbox 1 ( because the Wii might have about 88MB of segmented RAM available to it, but realistically you only get 48MB free out of that total amount - that, and there are latency disparities between MEM1 and MEM2 too - so realistically you might not even WANT to use the upper parts of memory to begin with because it would be much slower). Then you add to that whatever else needs to be loaded and you start to appreciate having a very lightweight GUI that takes up almost nothing.

      RetroArch is not just my emulator frontend - it's for everyone who elects to make a libretro port, it's for everyone who elects to port it to their favorite system of choice. It's my job as the second lead developer and the main developer of the PS3/360/Xbox 1/Wii ports to ensure that the codebase is as reusable as possible between all console ports AND that I don't burden any future devs that would like to use RetroArch as a base for their own ports with an excessive memory-hungry GUI.

      BTW - just in case you like to debate this - Ekeeke has elected to slim down his GUI in Genesis Plus GX 1.7.0 too because he said he was running into memory limitations on the Wii when adding Sega CD and other additional features - so no, this is not a myth - I'm drawing a line in the sand -we don't want bloated codebases, we don't want shoddy code, I don't want bloated GUI code, and I don't want quick and dirty SDL ports. We have had too much of that in these scene already. RetroArch and libretro are about doing it right once and for all. The codebase needs to be an object lesson in why you would want to port this to [insert platform of choice] - code quality is of the utmost importance, code clarity is of the utmost importance, and code reusability and portability is of the utmost importance. Writing a lot of platform-specific and bloated - non-essential GUI code around it is not my idea of furthering that goal - and it's not Maister's goal either. That's not the task of the backend - that's the task for a frontend to deal with.

      I strive for minimal memory usage, I strive for the best performance possible on each host system, and I strive for the best portability imaginable on each host system.

      And seriously, I don't see anyone else right now taking so many systems under his/her belt at the moment - do you see anyone else developing simultaneously for Xbox 1/PS3/360/PC/Wii with the same emu cores, the same frontend codebase? I sure don't.

      Trust me, I know what I'm doing and I get a bit tired of having to continually defend my position on this. When I say 'no, I'm not interested' - it means 'no' - it means, if you want it, go write your own GUI frontend. I want as minimal memory footprint as possible and I dislike all this bling bling nonsense - it's the same reason why my Windows XP install is in Windows Classic mode.

      If a GUI comes prebaked with an SDK or console that I target (such as XUI on 360), then I don't hesitate to use it (and am in fact using it). When it comes to systems that don't come with any-built in GUI, though, I go for lightweight and minimal GUIs that get the job done.

      And as I said again, as of right now (for everyone who has tried out the Sega CD RetroArch PS3 build), I think people who say the current GUI looks so bad they can't use RetroArch need to either have their eyes examined or stop using RetroArch then.

      The main thing that is wrong with a lot of these emu ports on consoles in my opinion is that they go for the quickest, shoddiest ports imaginable (most of the times a straight SDL port with subpar performance), and then try to ice it over with some frivolous fluff GUI - and after that never update them. I resent that - I go the opposite way. - I update often, focus everything on core functionality, and if somebody wants to have bling-bling, go write a frontend around it - that's it Even Exophase agreed that this fixation with GUIs for emu ports on consoles was quite frankly nonsensical.

      Of course, if the gui needs to be dynamically loaded while playing a game (something quite frequent with emus), then maybe a minimal gui needs to be done at that point, but even here I could picture a system where 1) the backend takes a screenshot of the ongoing game, does a savestate somewhere on the disk, unloads the game, reloads the gui while showing the screenshot (to make it look like the game is still "paused" in the background), then once the gui is closed again and unloaded, reload the savestate from the disk.
      Actually, this is exactly what I'm doing of sorts - except I'm not even writing a screenshot to disk - the emulation frame is simply 'freezed' and overlaid on top of the screen.

      http://www.logic-sunrise.com/images/...machines-2.png

      And still I get crap about how this is oh so awful looking. Mind you, this screenshot is already outdated next to the GUI improvements I've already pushed forth for the next release.

      Perhaps people should just try it out before they base their opinions on outdated standalone PS3 emulators that I've stopped supporting since over a year.

    131. Wolfie708
      07-19-2012
      07:40 AM
      131

      Originally Posted by Squarepusher2
      it's the same reason why my Windows XP install is in Windows Classic mode.
      That one line says it all for me

      If you want something with bells and whistles then fine, but if you want something that works cleaner then get rid of them.

    132. GraVoX959
      07-19-2012
      07:48 AM
      132

      [MENTION=230356]Squarepusher2[/MENTION] sorry for putting words in your mouth.. I just had vague recollections of you saying way back when (psxscene days).
      That importing libs etc to handle the previews and other crap. Like what can be seen on the XBOX1 emulators would come at a sacrifice to emulator performance. I'm most likely wrong but I rolled with it. Again, sorry for putting words in your mouth.

      [MENTION=230716]frwololo[/MENTION] Correct me as much as you like I'd rather be corrected after a couple posts and look like an ass for a brief period. Than go on ranting on and look like an ass for a long time..
      That's enough of a battle for me anyway.. you may not have noticed but I have an ass where my face should be..


      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

    133. Squarepusher2
      07-19-2012
      07:56 AM
      133

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      [MENTION=230356]Squarepusher2[/MENTION] sorry for putting words in your mouth.. I just had vague recollections of you saying way back when (psxscene days).
      That importing libs etc to handle the previews and other crap. Like what can be seen on the XBOX1 emulators would come at a sacrifice to emulator performance. I'm most likely wrong but I rolled with it. Again, sorry for putting words in your mouth.

      [MENTION=230716]frwololo[/MENTION] Correct me as much as you like I'd rather be corrected after a couple posts and look like an ass for a brief period. Than go on ranting on and look like an ass for a long time..
      That's enough of a battle for me anyway.. you may not have noticed but I have an ass where my face should be..


      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
      It still doesn't change the fact that using lots of statically linked bloated libs and incorporating a GUI into your main emulator frontend/backend binary DOES increase memory bloat and DOES increase the memory footprint - it's the same reason why ekeeke elects not to use every user library under the sun for his Genesis Plus GX port and why he is continuing to strip down GUI images and additional fluff out of the GUI - because he's running into memory problems now. I'd rather approach this issue from Day One - by not even going overboard with pictures and lots of fluff in the first place.

      frwololo
      In other words:
      - loader backend lives in ram, takes only a few kb
      - loader backend loads the GUI to navigate through features
      - user selects something to run with the gui
      - the gui communicates the user's choice to the backend
      - backend unloads the gui, and loads whatever app/rom the user requested
      - when the app exits, backend gets notified with a hook and loads the GUI again.
      This is not the case for us - what you're describing here is what Multiman would do when - say - doing an exitspawn to RetroArch and supplying it with a few arguments.

      The 'GUI' in this case is baked into the main RetroArch binary - and it's done that way to facilitate easy back-and-forth switching between the menu and in-game. I could have gone the 'GUI-less' route, but that would have been even more of a drag from an end-user perspective. Therefore, it needs to be lightweight, and it needs to be fast, while still looking reasonably good.

      So yes, the 'limited resource usage' that this lightweight GUI approach allows for still holds for this particular use case I'd say . And I'd say what Gravox said about RetroArch and its stance on GUIs is still correct in the overall scheme of things - given the description I just provided.

      Anyway, this is going so offtopic by now I'm sure hellsing6 will be pissed - so I'll leave it at this.

    134. 4218kris
      07-19-2012
      11:05 AM
      134

      whats up with all the download links first i try to get preloader then cex2dex app, all lead nowhere... $0ny shutting this shard down?

    135. nuzz
      07-19-2012
      05:02 PM
      135

      Can someone post a new mirror or pm me with one thx

    136. ZeusCronos
      07-19-2012
      08:26 PM
      136

      Can some1 upload a new mirror Please, Thanks

    137. Mistawes
      07-19-2012
      08:43 PM
      137

      CEX2DEX Gunner54

      http://mir.cr/1NDLOR8H

      JC Preloader 3.1

      http://mir.cr/RQOJE3BE

    138. svenmullet
      07-19-2012
      09:05 PM
      138

      Is this going to turn into another "Who's got the smallest pen1s" contest?

      I just bricked my PS3. Show some respect for dog's sake.

    139. I_want_cookies
      07-19-2012
      10:32 PM
      139

      Is this reversable?? (Dex2Cex)

    140. GraVoX959
      07-19-2012
      10:58 PM
      140

      Originally Posted by I_want_cookies
      Is this reversable?? (Dex2Cex)
      Yep, follow my guide
      http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?p=395089

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

    141. Xero14
      07-19-2012
      11:36 PM
      141

      So is it worth it to go to dex or stay on cfw? Also this can be done from rebug just as easy as other cfw's with linux. I watch a of movies and have lots of games on disc.

    142. GraVoX959
      07-19-2012
      11:42 PM
      142

      Originally Posted by Xero14
      So is it worth it to go to dex or stay on cfw? Also this can be done from rebug just as easy as other cfw's with linux. I watch a of movies and have lots of games on disc.
      Again, follow my guide and you can switch between CEX & DEX easily. Once set up its just a couple button presses and the time it takes to install a FW.

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

    143. Xero14
      07-19-2012
      11:49 PM
      143

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      Again, follow my guide and you can switch between CEX & DEX easily. Once set up its just a couple button presses and the time it takes to install a FW.

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
      Sorry I did read the guide and thank you for it just switched to rebug and wanted to make sure. I care more about whether its worth going to dex if I watch movies and play games from disc (sounds like bd drive doesn't work i may have miss read something though).
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      On nand btw does'nt look like that matters though now.

    144. GraVoX959
      07-19-2012
      11:53 PM
      144

      Originally Posted by Xero14
      Sorry I did read the guide and thank you for it just switched to rebug and wanted to make sure. I care more about whether its worth going to dex if I watch movies and play games from disc (sounds like bd drive doesn't work i may have miss read something though).
      Its all cool, well there is supposedly a BD Drive fix.. haven't looked at it myself though. If it were me, I'd be happy booting between CEX & DEX.
      Don't use mine for movies though.

      Also, you can do this from Rebug OtherOS edition

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

    145. Xero14
      07-19-2012
      11:58 PM
      145

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      Its all cool, well there is supposedly a BD Drive fix.. haven't looked at it myself though. If it were me, I'd be happy booting between CEX & DEX.
      Don't use mine for movies though.

      Also, you can do this from Rebug OtherOS edition

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
      Ok thanks you've been a big help in the scene I think I'm going to kick back open a beer a wait a while while everything starts rolling out. Waited this long so movies and home brew style for now it looks like.

    146. GraVoX959
      07-20-2012
      12:18 AM
      146

      Originally Posted by Xero14
      Ok thanks you've been a big help in the scene I think I'm going to kick back open a beer a wait a while while everything starts rolling out. Waited this long so movies and home brew style for now it looks like.
      Good thinking mate Don't rush these things! PS3 will still be there tomorrow.. Beer gets warm though so needs immediate attention!

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

    147. 4218kris
      07-20-2012
      02:47 PM
      147

      has anyone found a nand tutorial yet.

    148. gDrive
      07-20-2012
      08:25 PM
      148

      Originally Posted by svenmullet
      Is this going to turn into another "Who's got the smallest pen1s" contest?

      I just bricked my PS3. Show some respect for dog's sake.
      Not just that, but I can't believe some people are still talking about boner-inducing graphical user interfaces with sexual fervour!

      It has gotten ridiculous now!

    149. quazza
      07-21-2012
      02:22 AM
      149

      Originally Posted by 4218kris
      has anyone found a nand tutorial yet.
      Mate [MENTION=99538]CaptainCPS-X[/MENTION] - has done a guide and has all the files etc required for a NAND CEX 2 DEX, I believe there will be a new thread started but he has advised of the guide in the CEX to DEX Leaked thread

      Cheers

      Quazza :D

    150. 4218kris
      07-21-2012
      09:35 AM
      150

      Originally Posted by quazza
      Mate [MENTION=99538]CaptainCPS-X[/MENTION] - has done a guide and has all the files etc required for a NAND CEX 2 DEX, I believe there will be a new thread started but he has advised of the guide in the CEX to DEX Leaked thread

      Cheers

      Quazza :D
      thanks, iv already got half the steps done on my own before the tut surprisingly. at least i was on track.

    151. gDrive
      07-22-2012
      08:01 AM
      151

      Originally Posted by Mistawes
      CEX2DEX Gunner54

      http://mir.cr/1NDLOR8H

      JC Preloader 3.1

      http://mir.cr/RQOJE3BE
      Mediafire Mirror for those two files added: http://www.mediafire.com/?5y4e8zrzsk57d

      By the way, thanks for the mirrors - I actually needed the CEX-to-DEX application but I couldn't find it due to the original download link being down.

    152. Dasanko
      07-30-2012
      03:45 AM
      152

      Originally Posted by Squarepusher2
      I've seen some emulators in the PSP camp (such as Exophase's gpSP) - seriously, if you consider my GUI 'minimal' - what would you consider that?
      Meh, some people ***** to *****. I love gpSP's GUI just because it's simple and right to the point.

    153. 1978alexn
      07-30-2012
      06:17 PM
      153

      do you need to be on 3.55 for this or can i flash on ofw 4.11 with this. been out of the scene for a while. trying to figure out this whole dex sex crap. haha! they still haven't figured out how to downgrade from software? man, sony must have payed million to get the security as tight as possible.

    154. SuperDre
      07-31-2012
      02:20 AM
      154

      Originally Posted by 1978alexn
      do you need to be on 3.55 for this or can i flash on ofw 4.11 with this. been out of the scene for a while. trying to figure out this whole dex sex crap. haha! they still haven't figured out how to downgrade from software? man, sony must have payed million to get the security as tight as possible.
      Even though you might have been out of the scene for a while, you do know how to read or use the search function? this has been said soooo many times now in both threads about CEX=>DEX..

    155. 1978alexn
      08-01-2012
      10:32 PM
      155

      I know how to read and write fair enough. don't have to be a jerk about it. don't really care if its be asked a million times. I'm asking now. all you had to do is say search it. i can tell you can't get any help in here. mite as well do it my self. right? thanks for the info.

    156. PS3hacker92
      12-09-2013
      12:43 AM
      156

      I can not download these files