Well DEX news, as well the method reached most of the scene sites and news sites (that not are *scene*) according to the info posted on this article (i did not do it) *The Hong Kong Hacker* (Aka Shenzen-Ninja) messed up pretty well with the code of the PS3. The *smart* ones from Kotaku contacted sony about this *conversion method* and they are expecting some kind of response from their side. (/tactical facepalm)
I will recommend to the DEX users (or the ones who converted already) that keep your eyes open for a possible new update, since PS3 system once again was hacked, and you know that sony allows piracy until certain limit, but when someone mess with their system. Well we know what happens…keep your fingers crossed.
A Hong Kong-based modder known as AnoRelease  is claiming to have made a pretty significant change to some PlayStation 3 code, using a highly technical routine to trick a retail console into thinking it was a “debug” unit.
Debug PlayStation 3 consoles are those used by developers and some press, and differ wildly from the retail units you buy in a store. A debug PS3 can, for example, install games from files downloaded over the internet (it’s how in-progress or preview builds of games are often distributed).
This is why such a workaround would be of benefit to both pirates and homebrew enthusiasts. If the PS3 could be tricked into playing any unsigned/compatible code you threw at it, it’d be a cinch (a relative term considering how difficult this exploit looks) to play pirated games on the console.
AnoRelease’s “conversion method” uses a lot of expert-level meddling at the very heart of a PS3 to make the switch. I’ll be honest, the kind of stuff being outlined goes way over my head, and carries repeated warnings that one misstep could brick a console. But other users have begun posting clips of the workaround in action, like the one above, in which a copy of Modern Warfare 3 is run using the exploit.
Given the fact we can’t verify this ourselves, and that the only “proof” thus far are some blurry YouTube videos, don’t treat this as confirmation that, a year after the console’s last copy protection saga, the PS3 has for certain been once again cracked open.
We’ve contacted Sony for comment, and will update if we hear back.
Source = Kotaku
07-18-2012
03:34 AM
It was only a matter of time, we will see what will happen and how fast Sony is going to react.
07-18-2012
03:35 AM
So they will come with some kind of new update probably, better prepare an spoofer or something.
07-18-2012
03:37 AM
But isn't there in Debug an option to turn FW updates On/Off ?
Or is the option somewhat like the same for PSN+ users ?
07-18-2012
03:37 AM
probley tb devs told them
i guess sony probley been watching the ps3 sites and saw it for there self not from some 3rd partie ,
07-18-2012
03:39 AM
So they are coming very sharp this time, i hope (really hope) i am wrong.
07-18-2012
03:40 AM
07-18-2012
03:42 AM
Btw, AnonRelease says "he made big changes to be able to turn your machine into DEX"
Wasn't AnonRelease just a leaker ?
07-18-2012
03:43 AM
Lol so they say nothing to trueblue for piracy and some one takes out
This and the $hit hits the fan
07-18-2012
03:47 AM
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07-18-2012
03:50 AM
I will try to search for that part, hopefully I will find it because since DEX is around, posts are growing like mushrooms lol
07-18-2012
03:51 AM
Now this conversion is another thing, it's a big hole that they have to cover up ASAP.
I understand them, they allow *legal* piracy from DRM dongles, but when the system get *hacked* they start to sue everyone who dares to touch their precious *stocks*.
Oh! Sony!!! YU! don't change!
07-18-2012
04:05 AM
Why doesnt Microsoft stop all the hackers and fix all exploits on their XBOX360?
And what Sony does is not OK because they exaggerate to much.
When do we get our freedom like xbox users ? lol
07-18-2012
04:05 AM
Sadly, all this does is show me that the devs were right in their decision to not share this with us.
07-18-2012
04:06 AM
Twice I have had DMCA complaints from Sony within a very short period of content being placed on the wiki, even though it was quietly embedded in the downloads section and not advertised. I am under the belief that they know exactly what is happening around here, they have entire departments dedicated to protecting their intellectual property.
Just because Sony is a Japanese company does not mean they don't understand English.
07-18-2012
04:06 AM
They are an enterprise, we are just enthusiasts.
They are starting to *****, this is bad omen.
07-18-2012
04:17 AM
we will see, they can do nothing about the latest dex release imo! maybe future version dont will work but maybe is a design failure and it will work in the future too
07-18-2012
04:19 AM
07-18-2012
04:30 AM
offcors not but arent we from the darkside :D or better the greysite
sony isnt white or black, they are just piss-yellow or sh!t-brown :D
07-18-2012
04:33 AM
Expect to see a new dex/cex update very soon
07-18-2012
04:33 AM
I've just read an article. Im sure that $ony have known about this conversion earlier.
07-18-2012
04:34 AM
I want to know where the 4.20 dex pup disappeared to.... suspicious...
07-18-2012
04:34 AM
isnt this good news ? i mean if theres a way to trick a retail console to think its a debug one this takes out the complicated process of CEX to DEX out of the equation and whatever sony throws at us we stay away from updating our consoles like we have been doing all this time..
07-18-2012
04:36 AM
Dex will become easier to install in the coming few days then Sony will require new games to have a higher update and the game of cat and mouse will continue.
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Well all we know for certain is that Sony won't be happy
07-18-2012
04:39 AM
This method only Sony knows how to handle well and execute with precision, so they can do pretty much everything they can. If you are on DEX.
It's like you can access any time you want part of your unconscious mind (example in metaphors) Can be cool but it's a double edged sword.
07-18-2012
04:48 AM
07-18-2012
04:49 AM
Kotaku's like that anime nerd everyone beat up on in school, telling the teacher :D
(Of course Sony knew about this before they did)
07-18-2012
04:52 AM
07-18-2012
04:53 AM
Hope the 4.20 dex pup gets leaked too.
07-18-2012
04:55 AM
07-18-2012
04:57 AM
07-18-2012
05:04 AM
If i worked hard to do something i want my name on it. It's simple im not being sarcastic. But it's true.
07-18-2012
05:05 AM
Snoop Dogg - Lay Low - YouTube
07-18-2012
05:06 AM
07-18-2012
05:10 AM
[MENTION=13236]VIRGIN KLM[/MENTION] i think generalize and put all the scene devs and not scene ones on the same bag it's not right.
Just saying..
07-18-2012
05:15 AM
Is it possible for those with DEX fw 4.11 to use system update to 4.20 dex? or is there a reason this hasnt been talked about much? Is it blocked? will it not work?
I don't know if it would work or not based on the generated idps?
07-18-2012
05:17 AM
07-18-2012
05:19 AM
07-18-2012
05:19 AM
-A reDRM dongle dev or team
-An ill fated dev or team like math
-A dev that was working with one of those guys in the past and he left because of a fight.
-All the above.
Meh, there's just no magic. It's not like an innocent developer can pop up out of nowhere with something useful, especially something that has been rumored on the "bad period" of PS3 Scene. Something smells fishy. In a scene filled with blood once your put your hands on it, you're gonna get your own hands in blood too.
07-18-2012
05:27 AM
It's a *method* used long ago (and still used) by Sony.
And discovered and heavly locked by *someone* that put great effort in something that went to public display. If it's my work i repeat, it's obvious that i will get mad of my info being filtered or research.
Hence it's not EUREKA i found it, and open sesame! demands some heavy reverse among many other things and knowdlege.
-A reDRM dongle dev or team = If you mean the filtered info, i doubt that a reDRM or dongle dev will release something like that, because it's bad for *his* business.
-An ill fated dev or team like math = Math was alone as far as i know, and even today with the hints, he lead me to think that in some point even with his *big* ego, he knowed something that we had certain *clues* and now with the method released...well i have to agree in some point that Math even being a ****** was right. Team? i doubt so.
-A dev that was working with one of those guys in the past and he left because of a fight:
I see this possible, but i think if you are in a team or something like that you have some rules to follow, it's the more coherent one. An angry one who shared the info with the wrong person or trusted someone that backstabbed him/her...who knows.
-All the above.
I will go for it's *relative* depends on many factors, situations, etc.
If the method was released to the public was filtered, intentional filtered? maybe. I cannot confirm that hence i don't know.
07-18-2012
05:34 AM
Don't know why HOMEBREW scene can't be content with 3.55CFW. It only Pirates that keep wanting more.
07-18-2012
05:35 AM
So devnet plays a big role in this thing, since the ones who wants to connect with a DEX machine will run into some (minor) problems.
Afterall the conversion is done, and you had a retail console that now it's a debug *unit*.
Sony is crystal clear on that area, even in legals when last year or this year (i don't recall well) when many users signed a petition to legalize homebrews and was declined.
You own the product, but at the same time you don't own it. (that's the way that sony works)
07-18-2012
05:39 AM
I know pirates take full advantage of this but there's always another side...
07-18-2012
05:48 AM
These guys, (the devs) had something of their own (the cex to dex conversion method) that they were able to share with those they thought worthy, and between themselves, in their small clique, some of them branched off, going their own seperate ways, and were able to figure out a method to release the true blue dongle...........I hate the true blue dongle and all it stands for, but at least it was a method for some to play the latest released games................that method will now be removed because of the cex2dex release info. I wish we lived in a world where all information could be safely released, but we do not...............this cex2dex conversion information will ultimately be remembered as being the info that helped 1% of us play pirated games while the other 99% of us are left in the same place as we were before the info was released wondering what will be released next.
07-18-2012
05:51 AM
You may be content with 3.55CFW (which is nice), but many cannot even have 3.55CFW to begin with.
07-18-2012
05:52 AM
It seems a bit bold(and slightly dramatic) to say "The PS3 has been hacked" when at the end of the day those of us on official firmware still don't benefit from this hack, only the small minority of users on 3.55 or below will actually benefit from this "hack".
07-18-2012
05:53 AM
07-18-2012
05:54 AM
btw, i dont know anything how the fixes are released.. so do pardon my ignorance..
But is there a way that we can request the devs about releasing the fixes for certain games..?
I just been waiting for Batman AC, have the game as well.. but dont wanna loose jb.
Would like to forward the request for its fix.
07-18-2012
05:56 AM
Now, the best we can do now that it is out, is use it to its fullest, and not let it go to waste what they have intentionally or unintentionally given us. That would be the biggest shame ever...
07-18-2012
06:27 AM
Sony knew as soon as it was posted on any site.
Surely it is obvious that Sony keep their eyes on the scene sites, no one would have to tell them.
07-18-2012
06:33 AM
When an exploit gets used it gets patched by the manufacturers, standard. Eventually another exploit will be found, someday, somehow.
Look at iPhone.
07-18-2012
06:45 AM
i dont think they have any interest in this ..
as they already showed regarding TB they dont give a **** about 3.55 and below ..
even psn was not concerning them at all .. it was just a routine change of the passphrase (what the releaser of the psn spoofer knew at that time.. thats why it was released @ the end of the month)
so as long the new models (3000) and the latest cex fw is not pwnd there is nothing they will do .. everything else is just an excuss for not releasing cex/dex way earlier ..
also i guess 9 of 10 sony workers are already working on the upcoming ps4
07-18-2012
06:56 AM
Well I dont think $ony will do much right now, most likely will eventually release a new debug firmware which will disable the converted units. But I dont think they feel the need to jump at this right now.
Yes we can convert cex-dex, but people have said it's very complicated and a single mistake could brick your console. It's probably OK if you have a flasher, but if you dont like me you'll want to wait a bit see if someone makes something easier to use.
Also what happens f you want to goto ofw or another cfw? How do you convert back to cex?
So I think only a few people have actually converted their PS3s. But if someone releases a simple procedure with little or no risk of bricking and everyone starts to convert their consoles, it'll be then when $ony start to huff anf puff.
But just in case, has anyone got the 4.20 dex firmware downloaded and stored? Just in case $ony do block future consoles from updating to that, someone could just upload the pup and allow those who hadnt converted to update to that when needed.
07-18-2012
07:01 AM
07-18-2012
07:08 AM
07-18-2012
07:08 AM
Isn't TB using this method for eboots they are releasing?
07-18-2012
07:09 AM
Also didn't found any other trace to 4.20 DEX than the Wiki one that got deleted / is playing hide & seek.
07-18-2012
07:10 AM
07-18-2012
07:15 AM
07-18-2012
07:17 AM
07-18-2012
07:37 AM
Nicely put..
07-18-2012
07:44 AM
wtf they are crying like a baby and run to sony ? to all devs it is time to crack the **** out of this ****ing console to show all the TB devs and crying babys that YOU are the real hackers...its time to give a f.. about moral ore something like this just crack this ****....
07-18-2012
07:45 AM
Why would they stop looking into it? I don't know, but its probably because they think, this was leaked in a premature stage, before they finished working with it, and now they are gonna patch it in the future, so its gonna be wasted work in their eyes, don't you think?
Regardless of whether there are loopholes or not in the existing firmwares, which could lead to future CFW or similar exploits not related to the now-going-to-be-patched-DEX-firmwares that we could utilize in the future, they are not going to be searched for now. At least not by the devs that worked with this before. Some other devs might come along, and look more into this, but its not like this scene is rich with devs, I guess we can agree with that?
If there had been a lot of devs that didn't know about this, which could now utilize it and up the research, then the picture would have been different, it would have been nice and the devs that didn't leak would have been smugs.
But, whatever, for whatever its worth, since its out now, it would be stupid not to utilize what we already know about it, thanks to the devs, to its fullest. I myself, am going to use it as well, although I don't really know what to think of the leak...
I'm glad zecoxao made that early guide though, now that this asian guy leaked it anyway.
07-18-2012
07:45 AM
indeeds. i checked the link to the file (that has been on the wiki since the 5th of july) and it has been removed. Firmware needs to be stored offline for situations just like this. I used to store ALL firmware files offline on my HDD, just like all service manuals (which i still have). But the firmware got lost during a format and as a result i couldn't be bothered to re download all FW versions
07-18-2012
07:48 AM
07-18-2012
07:57 AM
I dont understand verry well how this CEX2DEX thing works, but i have an epic question: If i convert from CEX2DEX i can play 3.6x backup games, right? Or just 3.6x disc games on CFW?
07-18-2012
08:12 AM
See... THIS is why we can't have nice things.
07-18-2012
08:15 AM
or just devs ?
07-18-2012
08:18 AM
(...10 effing characters...)
07-18-2012
08:20 AM
we got nice stuff cos it got leeked
if that makes sence
07-18-2012
08:21 AM
your kidding right?? anyone think sony doesnt know the second that dex was figured out and released... i guarantee you they did and they probably watch most if not all $0ny mod/hack sites more than we all do.
this isnt news, this is how it ALWAYS happens.. no doubt.
or is this just a haha lol $0ny we got dex?
07-18-2012
08:29 AM
PS... if anybody at sony is reading this: KISS MY A$$ YOU BUNCH OF IMBECILIC C*CKHEADS!
We all need to realize that these are the risks devs take when they release info out into the open. Having this in mind I hope we are all a bit more grateful and understanding. I'm sure many of the people who are harsher towards devs would be as bad (most probably worst) than they are if they had the info and they knew spreading the knowledge would likely lead to the end of their fun.
I think if you claim to be for the scene you are obligated to release stuff regardless of what will come after, as far as the exploits being patched... because though I admire the guy greatly for what he did, I wish graf had thought about more himself. Still, that's if you claim to be part of scene, but what if some of these guys don't give a crap about the scene, and just do this stuff cause they want to? We can't really force them to comply with "scene-standards"... if they are making money on the work of other scene members though... then that's a different matter.
In any case, things are rarely as black and white as we think they are, and it's foolish for us to hand down judgement on others when we only know half the truth and try to make up the other half with our own assumptions; of course, if you know "FACTS" (not assumptions, hearsay, etc) then that is a different story.
07-18-2012
08:31 AM
07-18-2012
08:37 AM
Now, when it's leaked to the public - we have to be blamed for that again ?
That's not how a scene PROGRESS.
You disgust me.
07-18-2012
08:38 AM
Do you mean this really ?
Look since this was leaked, i dont see any kind of Users are cry like bixxxxx.
All i see Devs help Users , Users helps Users , some Devs helps other Devs.
3 or 4 Devs releases helpfull things for the converting etc. , too move the scene forward , scene alives again.
So why both ?
Users already hold more 1 1/2 years their feets, the only thing I've seen some arrogant "elite devs"
Why this "elite Devs" dont fight against the DRM Dongles and fxxx this kind of shxx which only profits from piracy ?
And dont tell me they dont can crack this stupid dongles ... , why the devs do not help the scene and build on it what they have and hide it since more than a year ? What they found with this things in this year ?
For me this sounds at all on a conspiracy !
Or this community become only nice things to see, if they are willing to pay for something that should be for free and only supports piracy.
07-18-2012
08:53 AM
Was this actually posted on Kotaku? If yes, then Sony can say good bye to many customers. Imagine all the people reading the article and thinking "We can pirate PS3 games? :o". Then half those people heading for Google or Youtube to find how they can achieve this. I guess Kotaku hasn't really helped Sony, but made it worser for them by posting it on such a big site.
07-18-2012
08:59 AM
The chances new people will enter the 3.55 "scene" is very slim and the window of opportunity to get a 3.55 out the box is diminishing.
We <=3.55 are the small % this will benefit.
Sony wont lose much to that argument IMHO.
07-18-2012
09:09 AM
edit. and sony already f*cking knew...... they aint THAT stupid >.<
07-18-2012
09:09 AM
thought Euss always said there is no chance of stuff getting lost in the wiki ...
wonder where the "dev-police" is anyway .. for bashing zadow they were all here very quick .. but for helping out now, as their knowledge could be usefull once.. no one here ..
so guess there is no "we" anymore ..
07-18-2012
09:12 AM
07-18-2012
09:14 AM
'Damn, Sony knows about it now- no more pirating/DEX/PSN/etc for me (as I'm on the same level as every 'noob' out there in the scene) ''
07-18-2012
09:16 AM
07-18-2012
09:19 AM
Well the best thing about being on dex for me so far is that my cheap knock off controller doesnt turn the ps3 back on after I turn it off. Woohoo.
07-18-2012
09:20 AM
07-18-2012
09:22 AM
[MENTION=134644]CrashSerious[/MENTION]
I actually have NO problem with people keeping things to themselves if they put in the work to get it (regardless of what my nice new label for you may infer), but if you want it for yourselves then keep it ALL under wraps and don't spend the last 18months like you have been saying you are trying soooooo sooooooooooooo Sooooooooo hard and failing to get people what they wanted whilst having it all along.
Keeping what you get is fine, being a hypercritical c*nt is not.
Just my opinion of course, and please feel more than free to label me with a nice title as well lol
07-18-2012
09:29 AM
I think Sony is fighting a losing battle, soon enough they will raise the white flag .
07-18-2012
09:34 AM
There goes your "TB-Killing" method.
It baffles me how people cry for a shared solution without realizing it wont last forever.
07-18-2012
09:35 AM
07-18-2012
09:40 AM
#1 Sony don't really care that much about the piracy itself as they have been in the game long enough to know it happens and take account of it in profit estimates etc.
#2 They will use the fact that this latest set of in-house leaks (in-house in this case meaning within the pirating community) as ammunition to use in court as it shows (whether rightly or wrongly), that the devs who have raped their system have been using it to make money through TB etc.
#3 Using the 'proof' in #2 gives Sony and others Much more leverage to crack down even harder on hacking communities as it all but cripples the acknowledged (and allowed) hacker defence/right to reverse engineer something for intellectual benefit.
Of course I could be talking out of my bum hole, but hey ho, time will tell lol
EDIT Just read that back and I finks I may have a teensy weensy etc addiction lol
07-18-2012
09:47 AM
geez I woulddn't be supprised if sony logs who converted to DEX then have interpol arrest all the end users who converted
07-18-2012
09:53 AM
10char
07-18-2012
09:59 AM
What did you expect, folk! I said the first second I saw that idiot releasing it...
YOU WILL TAKE YOUR PLACE ALONG SIDE FAILOVERFLOW'S BIGGEST MISTAKE IN PS3SCENE. AND SO YOU DID.
Great job, jerk!!!
Just as failoverflow got us stuck on 3.55 and still today people dont comprehend the magnitude of this mans fail, same is with this DEX prick.
All devs who needed DEX got it long long time ago.
And to add, when I see what stupid questions people ask trying to go to dex, it only confirms my stand on this.
DEX is not meant for wide public use.
If there is another wiseguy who wants to release higher FW keys, please do.
They are useful to public as previous overlaps.
Im being ironic, just making clear so someone doesnt think Im actually calling for this.
We keep on shooting ourselves over and over. One day, we will wake up dead. LOL!
07-18-2012
10:08 AM
The release of TB really killed the scene, prior to that there wasn't so much animosity towards devs in general (mainly directed at Math) where as after the release of TB it seems that all devs are suspects of being in bed with TB. Now nothing is released it's bad because they are not trying, if something is released, then it's bad because they've had it all along and never released it... *SIGH* Again I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see this scene doing anything meaningful anymore. It really sucks that it seems sony will get what they wanted when they when they pulled the bait 'n switch on us with OtherOS, and even worst when they treated graf and others as they did.
Maybe I've read one too many of [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] 's conspiracy theories, because I'm starting to think sony orchestrated some of this drama from inside to produce the rift between users/devs.
07-18-2012
10:16 AM
Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo don't know about our secret hacking forums, these companies haven't got Internet access so they will never know about the scenes future developments, so let's just keep releasing all the secrets and work in progress, they'll never find out. )))))
07-18-2012
10:19 AM
^^^^
Catch 22
07-18-2012
10:26 AM
07-18-2012
10:45 AM
I thought only cfw units could become dex units
07-18-2012
11:09 AM
Just look at the so called scene, how much actual homebrew has been released on the PS3 compared to pirating games.. Not much, which is also different to the xbox360 scene where you have complete development suites and documentation for free, so creating homebrew on the 360 is much MUCH easier than on the PS3.
07-18-2012
11:11 AM
I'm so tired of the dev's at this point they blame the scene for everything. Someone on the inside screws them they run to the scene in blame the user's.
Then they threaten us with the "we will never share any info ever again." hell you weren't sharing to begin with you can only spout so much bul%shi%.
Only time they come out nowadays is to say "oh well I see someone leaked our info but it isn't complete hahaha noob p.s. we know who leaked it in he's out the circle "
07-18-2012
11:13 AM
07-18-2012
11:13 AM
99.9% there will be a pkg released for 3.55 users to convert to dex or even a rebug release.
07-18-2012
11:17 AM
Never mind.
07-18-2012
11:24 AM
Meh, Im still not convinced there is gonna be anything happening soon. The PS3 is at the bottom of Sonys to-do list..
They havent blocked the PSN Passphrase exploit yet (2 OFWs later).
DEX units are a relatively small thing in comparison to people hacking into and playing their warez on PSN.. thats always been a big one for them..
TB has been raping their income for AGES now, they could stop that EASILY but they havent.
http://www.ps3devwiki.com/wiki/4.20_DEX
Yeah strange..
However google is your friend, lover and life partner as always
07-18-2012
11:25 AM
Well all I can say is yeah of course sony knows. you truely think there isn't someone in sony's multi billion dollar pay roll that reports this sort of info to the rest of the company? Because of the leaked info Sony will most certainly patch this.
07-18-2012
11:40 AM
As far as I remember, the PSN Passphrase exploit isn't really an exploit, it's just that some people have found the phrases for those specific timeperiods, and have a means now to find it on a regular basis. As long as it isn't publicly available Sony doesn't really have a problem and in the mean time they can try to find new ways to better secure their console (you have to remember that every OFW must be able to load a newer FW, so it's very difficult to block something like a passphrase as OFW wouldn't also be able to connect.)
Personally I wouldn't even mind if Sony actually would have some security measures which scans you console for pirated games and online cheats and block your console, but wouldn't mind homebrew, then I would be on OFW immediatly..
07-18-2012
12:03 PM
I don't get it.. When we are buying our consoles. we are owning it or renting it?..Because as far as my knowledge goes. i know when you buy something and "own" it its you're to do whatever you like. sony already got your cash.. even if you're sharing it online. if you're sharing something sony did not make. example:Custom firmware. Them don't have the right to use legal action against anyone. And if something is sharing online its a "option" to who ever wanna do the modification to "their" console. It's not like if the hacker is going to automatically inject the firmware to everyone consoles.. if i want to hack my playstation 3. i'll do it because the OPTION is there we can't let sony do this to us. We have more rights than sony in this case.. sony might have a lot of lawyers but what right is right and whats wrong is wrong....If i choose to share codes that can hack playstation to the people who "CHOOSE" to hack. then i don't think anything is wrong. Because at the end of the day. its only an option you're giving to people who will like hacking their ps3's
07-18-2012
12:09 PM
Almost all, if not actually all, CFW and the like have been made by using software which we do NOT have the Legal Right to use.
EDIT Also as Sony's OFW is not open source, we are also breaking the law by making a customised version of it anyway. The hardware is different to the software in this case.
Make a clean New FW for it and Sony cannot say a thing, but modify their FW and they can.
07-18-2012
12:18 PM
so mw3 is working?
07-18-2012
12:18 PM
i swear microsoft tryed to sort of do the same but a diffent way . we couldnt install 3rd partie programs etc on windows . untill they lost at court and people was able to legal .
07-18-2012
12:22 PM
Lulz at CrashSerious - he was crying on day one and being ultra-paranoid that Sony was going to silent-update his (converted, little favor by Mathie and co) DEX box. I can feel the butthurt bro.
Dude - whatever the hell did you do with your DEX that is oh so important that you should be entitled to always be able to update - apart from a SDL port of Roar (the sound is STILL BROKEN - after a year - this is a disgrace -how hard is it to convert int16 sound to float exactly?) and - that ONE thing - to which it's debatable how much stuff you contributed exactly - and besides, the source STILL hasn't been released - a year from today? I'm still wondering if that ONE program consisted of just a bunch of exitspawn lines - which, BTW, could be determined by you releasing the source. But we know that won't happen, now do we? I requested it a number of times on your Twitter - only thing I got was you blocking me.
You know, you guys talk a big game about believing in 'open source' - but your actions are the exact opposite of it. Truth is - you guys are engaging in self-deception, and are still for better or worse a little warez outfit. Even a guy on Mathieulh's forum said exactly that.
07-18-2012
12:23 PM
No-one can stop you using any software on any piece of hardware you own, but they can stop you altering their software.
07-18-2012
12:24 PM
they know once we hear that they are onto us. we will stop make further progress for an official hack that sony might not get to overwrite
07-18-2012
12:25 PM
Know what Mathie did when he ran that thing? First thing he did when Graf got busted - was take down the entire wiki - he didn't even have the integrity to stand up for his 'friend' - he looked after himself first and foremost to get himself 'in the clear'.
Seriously, I don't see why I should be crying right now for devs' inability in the future to pirate with BDEmu and their inability to upgrade to the latest DEX firmware. You never were gonna do jack **** for the 99% anyway.
07-18-2012
12:39 PM
07-18-2012
12:43 PM
It's so easy to talk from the sidelines if you aren't anywhere near danger..
Also we never heard what happened to graf after he was raided (I mean after the initial few weeks), we heard Geohot has settled out of court.
07-18-2012
12:47 PM
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07-18-2012
12:50 PM
Stop talking BS as you like to put it. You know as well as I do that it is a piece of wee wee to release something and not get prosecuted for it.
People are F U C K E D off because of lies and excuses, so do you really think you are helping?
07-18-2012
01:00 PM
[MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] is right when he said you can't "generalize" and blame every single PS3 developer for dongles, or withholding this method. There are many who do not dabble with pirating games and it's not the %1 goal.
[SPOILER]However, there has always been that gap of hombrewers and pirates ever since it became easy to develop for consoles (back in the day you'd maybe see some demos, intros, a silly homebrew game or two, but nothing more). It may be "funny" to blame people like Math that you have zero proof is behind any Dongle or curse at people like DeanK who's software you depend on using for your gaming collection, but neither cases has there been any proof on exactly what conspired. So go post silly pictures, curse at them and maon, but sceners like myself simply look at these types with pitty and wonder what even motivates such immature actions.
[/SPOILER]
I also see this CEX->DEX method as [SPOILER]only being able to be taken advantage of by people who already know or who are willing to learn how to use basic methods like installing Linux, flashing the PS3, patching backups. A lot of CFW users on 3.55 had a hard time extracting the zip/rar/zoo archive that contained the PUP as I saw people making money flashing CFW back when it came out for other people who have no idea how to use their computers.
I'm sure more tools will come out making the process easier, but it was mentioned that people who purchased their PS3 after Jan2011 are still SOL as are the OFW users. While this may be exciting for the clinch demographic the majority of PS3 users cannot benefit from it.[/SPOILER]
Touching on Sony they do indeed not only read the news, but [SPOILER]take a proactive stance in the scene by dedicating a lot of time working with sceners and possibly developers (without revealing their identity or in Geohot's case made it public). When the PS1 first came out Kerry Hopkins the main lady on Sony's legal team formed the first "task force" to seek out and disrupt the flow of modchips and game enhancers into the USA by means of putting pressure on US Customs (which they still employ today) and seeking legal and punitive action against resellers.
This was before the DMCA and the major busts that closed 99% of modchip stores in the later 2000's. Now with the DMCA most hosts won't flinck and will take down whatever is requested without warning to their web clients sometimes for days or if they are kind inform the user to take down the content instead of taking out the entire page or in some cases the site itself. There is a way to fight DMCA take-downs and get your content returned to you, but most common sceners/hackers for whatever reasons do not go down this slipperly slope as it involved revealing personal details. Missing information from Wikis that don't even fall under DMCA jurisdiction cam also be explained due to a loophole that any domain name that is owned by a USA register (like .com / .org) can be shutdown therefor rendering the site inaccessible and this threat usually leads to the content Sony wants down being removed.[/SPOILER]
As for people constantly blaming developers for[SPOILER] their own problems (or what they see as their own problems - mainly not being able to pirate the latest games) it's not their responsibility to do anything for us and if you want something done right my Old Man always told me "Do it yourself". I blame the divide between developers not on the homebrew crew in which for the most part homebrew developers are respected by sceners, but I do blame it on the pirate hungry leechers who want it their way, right away and right now. What's the old saying .... "it takes one to know one" and I've been there.[/SPOILER]
With all that said the CEX-DEX method will now allow 3.56+ pirated content to run through 4.11 (unless this mysterious 4.20D EX PUP is appears) and I think that the few people left with 3.55 should be thankful for that and should go play their free stuff and stop bickering on a forum about what may or may not be. Go have fun! Wasn't this what you've all been wanting? It may not work exactly the way you expected it to as most people after getting someone want it to work the same as the last, but regardless you can play games now? So go play! Or does that not interest you? If so then what the heck does?
07-18-2012
01:04 PM
Only an idiot blames every single dev, but in the same vein, only an idiot refuses to admit and feel angst that more than a small portion of them are lying, two-faced, hypocritical falsifiers of truth lol
07-18-2012
01:07 PM
07-18-2012
01:14 PM
Continue to wipe these people's arses if it makes you feel better - it just gives them a bigger hard-on and a bigger ego, but hey, people love their abusers sometimes.
Or perhaps you're just mad I didn't reply to one of your PMs about 'DEX', I dunno dude - don't ask me for help at one point and then call me a 'moron' when you don't get a reply - the reason you didn't get a reply in the first place is probably because I can tell somebody by his/her character before he manifests the ugly sides of it in public.
BTW, I find this 'fear' for Sony to be quite pathetic really. Note - you're giving a failing Japanese company that is on the verge of bankruptcy everything on a single platter by you being 'scared'. They're weak, they're discredited, they're failing, and the last thing they want to do right now is acting like a moron again like they did last year unless they want to lose even more money. You giving in to 'fear' is what makes you the maffia's whipping boy so they can collect your money from you every month. It's just a pathetic attitude to have - makes you look like a little spineless kid - man the **** up - if you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen or go anonymous - but don't come with this 'ego showboating' and 'oh my name is on Twitter and I maintain a public profile' hipster **** and then start crying and feeling paranoid when there is 1% possibility that you 'might' be in some company's crosshairs. I can't think of anything more 'moronic' than that at least. At least don't be an idiot about it - this is not a resume for a job - nobody is going to hire you because you did a hack for a videogame console - I repeat - nobody. Geohot found that out - Mathie found that out - numerous people found it out. They have smarter and better minds at their HQ and they don't need some worn-out twenty something in his basement. Best thing you're going to get out of something like this is some crappy stint at Facebook for a couple of months before they get rid of you (ie. the wonderful Geohot).
07-18-2012
01:16 PM
07-18-2012
01:35 PM
One question : Will thid method be easier in the future?
Because I don't like installing linux on my PS3 because I'm scared of a brick.
07-18-2012
01:39 PM
He is direct and write the truth !
Good man, none of the hypocrites.
07-18-2012
01:42 PM
07-18-2012
01:52 PM
Talk about ugly side of character. I might have a bad character sometimes because I cannot stand people being ignorant, narrowminded and hypocritical, but you sir aren't any better, you sir have no idea how to think from another standpoint or even try to understand how other people might view stuff..
You sir have really no idea what kind of person I really am, but go on keep thinking you can tell about people's character.
But I guess you really think that protecting yourself from being sued is bad, otherwise you wouldn't think I called you a moron
Also, Sony on the edge of bankrupcy? yeah right.. your rant only shows how narrowminded you really are, and it also shows you don't know jack $h!t...
07-18-2012
01:57 PM
You can try talking in your own native language if it means something intelligible will come out of it - or just keep it to PM and tell me all the nasty bad things about me sir - don't clutter up the forum thread with it. That way, no thread gets derailed.
07-18-2012
02:00 PM
Were going a little off topic here xD
07-18-2012
02:02 PM
07-18-2012
02:14 PM
Still, despite that fact the things sony have done to protect themselves goes way above and beyond what they should do in my view. If you can't protect yourself without attacking me, then we have problems.
07-18-2012
02:22 PM
http://smarthouse.com.au/Comment/K3T2R3F6?print=1
Sony Is Weak, Sliding Downhill & Gathering Speed To Their Demise
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/434863...ont-be-around/
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/11/b...lion.html?_r=1
Less than 800,000 PlayStation Vita units have been sold across Japan in the past six months, new data suggests.
they don't report about this in Holland now do they? But believe me - this is not living - this is heading for bankruptcy alright.
Now you continue being scared of a failure company like that - it's very entertaining to see.
07-18-2012
02:28 PM
LOL Sony already knows. They browse this site and many others to see what we are up to XD
07-18-2012
02:28 PM
[MENTION=209706]Hannibal1471[/MENTION] - Mr.Hannibal (not the remake! yeah!) Yes it's derailing, but this new guy has a talent for that as others have said I do the same except he states he doesn't care about the forum rules so he might not last as long as I have. Tis a bumpy road when you start flinging insults around for your own personal (virtual/non-existent) fame (some call it ego).
07-18-2012
02:29 PM
07-18-2012
02:32 PM
i told them. accidently. I was having trouble converting my CEX to DEX so i called customer support to ask if they can walk me through it
07-18-2012
02:36 PM
There is a for piracy/against piracy thread if you guys care to bump it and continue your off topic convo there. If you're so against it then why are you even here? How has [MENTION=230581]jennys[/MENTION] not banned yet? All he/she does is troll and argue. She's been wrong on more than one occasion including calling out [MENTION=1]Pirate[/MENTION] for posting news late when the dev who released the tool posted it here first. And despite the truth, she still adamantly argues her point. It's one thing to argue with regular members who know just as little but arguing with devs who actually know what they are talking about is a little ridiculous. I'm sure others as well as myself are getting tired of reading it in every thread. And just because it's wrote in some elaborate fashion with an extensive grasp for grammar as well as vocabulary doesn't make it a good point. Because all I'm reading is blah, blah, blah, I like to argue just to argue. Just like the argument saying she could build a better GUI than [MENTION=230356]Squarepusher2[/MENTION]...seriously? That's the same as Math claiming he could do this and that and never delivering. Look how he got flamed for it. End of rant.
Back on topic, I really don't care if $ony finds out. I would have found it hard to believe they wouldn't find out. This is a chance for them to save face over a lot of negative publicity they've received for the way they treat customers. I've sat on 3.55 for a year and a half. IF they take DEX away I would gladly sit on DEX 4.11 for another year. At least the WiiU would be out by then. I'm sure they realize that too. Finally out of all this, I hope GRAF is sitting back somewhere with a big smile on his face.
07-18-2012
02:45 PM
4.11 dex is still on the ps3devwiki if anyone was interested
07-18-2012
02:58 PM
... and if someone says something about the video game industry not surviving without sony
07-18-2012
02:59 PM
There is no 4.20 DEX pup on the wiki simply for the fact that we do not have our hands on it. It was not deleted and there is no conspiracy with devs not sharing it, we just don't have it yet.
It will be there when we have it. http://www.ps3devwiki.com/files/firmware/OFW-DEX/
07-18-2012
03:02 PM
They said it was a major breach but only people who have flashers/cfw can get it and they already have everything DEX has and more.
07-18-2012
03:03 PM
Seriously though, I do not care about Sony as a company, but I do care about the people who work for it and I personally hope they stay afloat for that reason if nothing else.
07-18-2012
03:07 PM
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07-18-2012
03:23 PM
What does this question have to do with the topic?
07-18-2012
03:29 PM
07-18-2012
03:39 PM
[MENTION=200136]BobbyBangin[/MENTION]
When arguing (or debating) a point that is a personal opinion no one can be right or wrong (example = GUI). When I am wrong which you can't admit you're always right (no one can) I will admit that I am wrong and have no problem doing so.
I learn from my mistakes and not try to defend a point that I have been proven wrong on to enhance my ego nor do I take a defense posture and fill my rants with abusing bullying tactics or fill them with references to sick and twisted things full of expletives.
Take for example when I stated about DEX+backups. A day later I was proven wrong. So what?
Since most of the time I like to debate about things that aren't for certain as it's less boring and more artistic.
07-18-2012
03:40 PM
[MENTION=229041]pois0n[/MENTION] ,
its better to ask here :
http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php...270#post394270
07-18-2012
03:40 PM
07-18-2012
03:43 PM
07-18-2012
03:47 PM
Use the downgrade pup to get to 3.55 DEX and then reflash 3.55 CFW/OFW. I haven't done this so I don't know if it will work but meh.
To go to DEX you need to be on 3.55 in the first place. If you are on higher OFW then yes, you need a flasher.
07-18-2012
03:47 PM
07-18-2012
03:54 PM
I don't see how Sony could close the doors that have already been open other then the normal way of releasing updates so that people who update are blocked - which is what they do now with their firmware updates.
Like I mentioned in my long article 3.55 users are a minority and are for the most part smart enough not to use upgrades.
This entire thing poses little threat to Sony as-is - unless these DEX machines carry some super secret in them that would allow the masses to utilize their 3.55 CFW to boot <=4.11 games. Then Sony would have a problem, but that so big as figuring out how to get my lil' old OFW 4.21 to boot backups.
07-18-2012
04:35 PM
http://www.ps3devwiki.com/wiki/4.20_DEX
07-18-2012
04:43 PM
cant u update from 4.11dex to 4.21 dex via xmb internet
07-18-2012
04:53 PM
Only a dirt bag would contact sony about anything regarding the ps3scene & i seriously find it discussing .The person who contacted , you are a pathetic soul to the internet in the words of "betrayal"
07-18-2012
04:57 PM
07-18-2012
04:58 PM
UPDATE - OK, got some more info. Apparently this will presently only work on consoles already using older, custom firmware, dramatically under-cutting its potential for widespread use. Also, the laborious process described in the link below has since been slightly automated.
Same source
I sure hope for Sony sake they don't step there dirty shoes & stink of dirty money in the scene again .I believe it will be bad for them & certain group might decide to hurt them again. If Sony were to mess with the scene & this did happen = The deserve everything bad that happens to them =Hacked again for messing with freedom/the people /the customers.
07-18-2012
05:02 PM
[edit] GOT IT! Try setting "Update Server URL" to http://tinyurl.com/7m5kbxw
(It works!)
07-18-2012
05:05 PM
i dont really see what all the fuss is about, obviously sony was going to find out about this sooner or later.
come on people it seems that everything has to be some sort of drama whether its the devs not releasing their finds, releasing them to early or not releasing anything at all.
look at the bright side this information's out and we have a whole lot of stuff to catch up on.
and yeah it sucks that sonys going to do fw updates and restrict there 4k model even more but whats new. i dont see the point in picking apart every situation just to find something to complain about. this isnt really going to effect us and i pretty sure they have ended their attempts to take devs to court and if not theres one argument that is needed "why have you not sued true blue!"
i think the best bet is to just enjoy the release! but hey if u really need something to complain about then knock ur self out, we all need to vent our rage someway or another :D
07-18-2012
05:15 PM
I'm hope the little people can get jobs with the other tech giants should anything happen; I'm sure if karma was to give sony its just deserts every other worldwide manufacturer of electronics would go on a mad dash to take sony's install base.
07-18-2012
05:17 PM
07-18-2012
05:25 PM
07-18-2012
05:30 PM
No one needed to contact Sony to let them know. Im not saying it didnt occur, but to me its unlikely that it would make a difference either way as I assure you they have someone on their payroll reading this very message.
07-18-2012
05:33 PM
07-18-2012
05:39 PM
07-18-2012
05:41 PM
They need to just stfu & ignore us like Microsoft/Nintendo does. Also i believe you had asked me something ? google chrome + "add block +" extension..
07-18-2012
05:45 PM
I think I tried that google chrome with extension............will try again. Thanks for the info.
07-18-2012
05:47 PM
07-18-2012
05:48 PM
07-18-2012
05:49 PM
07-18-2012
05:58 PM
You are self a dumbass.
07-18-2012
05:58 PM
07-18-2012
05:59 PM
07-18-2012
06:00 PM
07-18-2012
06:00 PM
when is this soap opera over..
07-18-2012
06:06 PM
If sony has not gone after the ones who have developed TB, JB-king and the like, what makes you think that they are going after people who converted their ps3 to dex consoles? as long as you cannot access psn, they don't care. Sony is not going to waste their time. all they will do is make it harder for people to access psn or whatever system they have. trust and believe the ps3devwiki would have been shut down. Deank would have been arrested and sued, all the rest of the devs that has contributed to hacking the ps3 would have had letters from Sony lawyers by now asking them to cease all programming. none of that has happened.
07-18-2012
06:32 PM
07-18-2012
06:37 PM
I don't believe in this kind of *accidents* an in terms of conspiracy theories, well if you connect the points you will reach or you will find what you wanted to *saw/read*.
It's relative, but in the other side sometimes it's too obvious.[/Spoiler]
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When you buy a PS3 system with your own money, it's yours. But at the same time it's not.
They removed pretty much all the functions that were an strong point to have a PS3 system = Other0s.
Because they wanted to, we know how Sony handle things. They launch an awesome product and then they start to remove certain functions to it.
The ones who bought it, years ago (2007/2008) they bought it (some of them) because not only for be a gaming system but for that option, an option that microsoft will not gave to the end users NEVER.
To install another OS in your own PS3, later when they noticed that the hack (bulletproof) stances failed at them, they removed the option with a nice and phat update.
So they are the ones who mess with end user, and with their product.
Sad thing is, that instead of pushing the system to the limit they like to insert more and more = Anti-hack soft/hard on them.
Why?, it's plain simple. They have the reputation of not being hacker friendly (if you look on PS story) you will notice how much time passed until a solid and stable solution appeared.
Sadly this is not the case, it's a method that got filtered. And they eventually will patch it, or as i said they are expecting the official release of the 4K ones. (Still i think that this ones will end the *dongle-era*).
The one who reported to Sony, it's not stupid at all. You can report anything to sony, from there to expect some medals or a nice reply from them telling how good guy you are because you exposed to them something that it's all over the place it's another situation.
So far, we have an enterprise that don't gives a damn about their system.
If they don't give a damn about their system, the end user is included in that equation and with the TOS and many other things, they managed to **** up more that we expected.
So you buy a PS3, but it's not yours, and you are not free to do the hell you want it.
Blaming the devs again?, seems cliché.
I don't know who is behind the dongles, but i have an idea, a clue.
I don't know either who are the corrupted in the devs circle.
But i cannot go (me) pointing the finger to every single dev about being corrupted. In fact i don't blame if someone get's paid for do some job (E3 team, TB team).
I can't generalize, it's not about being right or wrong.
And yes, the SCENE since his birth was full of drama:
1) Treason
2) Backstabbers
3) Two faced ones
So next time, if you tired of read drama. Read the whole story or a partial one and you will find that 3 points that i mentioned everywhere.
07-18-2012
07:43 PM
This is the Whole reason they could go for Graf and GH but not the original JB Dongle makers.
They won't as this time they could lose the case as it stands now, but as I said earlier, keep an eye out on what evidence is used to beef up security against 'pirates' across the board.
07-18-2012
08:25 PM
I purchased a PS3 early on due to it's advertised feature of being able to run Linux which I was more interested in the time then any game that was out. My sole intent was to run Linux, use it's multimedia capabilities and play the seldom game. Sony won the lawsuit against them not only due to a poor defense, but they somehow convinced the advertised feature they toted at launch time was not indeed guaranteed to stay in place and cited the EULA that is to them a legally binding contract which you agree to upon purchase.
Although, I do not remember having been presented a contract nor signed anything when purchasing my console before they removed OtherOS from the PS3 moreover I had never used PSN and agreed to any of their terms and conditions. So I did not upgrade.
How is simply purchasing a product and not being told about an instant binding contract you're not aware when and after purchasing legal? With that logic I could sell you a car, but then later come and remove the engine as a little paper in the car manual stated the frame was only yours!
My point is that Sony can do as they please and twist the laws to their favor which is why I have no problem with people hacking the complete hell out of their console as they screwed me over $600. However, after much time of debating if I should go from 3.15 to 3.55 or to OFW I chose OFW because I have no desire for pirating games, making illegal backups (it's illegal in the USA to copy video games for any reason) or using the very limited amount of homebrew for the console I chose to go the OFW route.
However, to this day I have never signed anything nor agreed to any type of EULA, but that would not stop Sony from doing whatever the heck they feel like doing. I've seen a Vita and it's impressive, but I refuse to purchase anything with their brand on it. That is how the consumer can fight back - or well, some hacker r00ting the console like the PSP. That would piss them off and make me smile.
07-18-2012
11:04 PM
07-19-2012
02:35 AM
http://www.ps3devwiki.com/index.php?...action=history
07-19-2012
02:42 AM
Wasn't the beauty of the wiki the restore button should someone repeat the actions like that of Math?
07-19-2012
03:46 AM
[MENTION=204892]malex[/MENTION]
"I will NEVER update to OFW (highly unlikely, but still possible)"
MaRINoL
07-19-2012
07:40 AM
07-19-2012
09:20 AM
Isnt there any tutorial for setuping this method for newbies via windows? like step by step.
07-19-2012
09:22 AM
LOL do you mean install windows at the other OS? lol
07-19-2012
09:29 AM
No. Converting my ps3 to DEX. So far I only seen tutorial using linux.
I have a downgraded ps3. I want to play newer games too.
07-19-2012
09:39 AM
07-19-2012
01:36 PM
I've been on OFW 3.15 for a LOOOONG time until I finally thought, hell why not update to 3.55 rebug and have the otheros++ (still haven't used the OtherOS++ part or even installed it), and hee, now I can play some extra original games I had laying around AND use my move controller which I also bought the same week...
And at this moment, I'll just watch the whole scene trying to get a foolproof CEX->DEX conversion without the hassle of Linux.. I have the time, 3.55 still is good enough for me to develop homebrew and watch my movies and play some 3.55- original games..
07-19-2012
02:27 PM
I been trying to convert my ps3 so I can rent new games from family video and play them on 3.55 I dont care at all about higher fw's just as long as new games from discs work I be happy.
07-19-2012
04:03 PM
Can't wait to see what sony will try and do now
07-19-2012
05:41 PM
[MENTION=11776]parminder_11[/MENTION] Mess with the converted ones
and the not converted ones too.
07-19-2012
09:11 PM
If only sony was like nintendo there would be no tru blu... yeah technically they have no say in anything TB related as it's outside of their "jurisdiction", but when has that stopped sony from being a$$holes?
Maybe if you stop banging your head on he wall you might be able to infer these things?
07-19-2012
09:21 PM
[MENTION=204892]malex[/MENTION] Sony don't know how to deal with situations they just try & over power the entire world/customers/hackers/ etc. This kind of treatment to step all over everyone ,ignorance ,above the law ,don't give a ship who they screw ,to get there way => Will only bring back the people they don't want to see again. "ANONYMOUS" And since they are not they, are many .Sony will never have a chance ,as all it takes is a few of the cells to attack Sony again & Sony will be damaged once again /rinse/repeat, again ,again.
So in other words if Sony wants to play dirty again = I welcome there ignorance & will enjoy the show of there downfall once again.
07-19-2012
10:46 PM
As far as another attack by anonymous, I sure hope so I was lolling pretty bad thanks to Anon and lulzsec. It's also quite amusing to see the sony loyalist who think that "they caught anonymous" LOL!