Do any of you remember this thread ?(Thanks for the reminder samdrlvt ) [RUMOR] PS3 Blu-Ray Drive Emulation Well this morning the world awoke to a banner on popular multi console modding website Eurasia, that news was coming regarding hacking progress in the PS3 Scene:
modrobert Eurasia’s admin also wrote thisin his forum:
I just got word from a well known team that will make PS3 owners happy! Watching the video and drooling!! With those few words I hope to keep you interested…
Many members of this forum discussed the rumour, then garyOPA from PS3Crunch posted this:
After seeing the discussion regarding this on various sites, we here at PS3Crunch reached out to some trusted long-time resellers to get more info. #1 – The team for now is only releasing one picture regarding 3KEY, but are hoping for an ‘end of the year’ release. #2 – It is full hardware interface, not some crappy reDRM dongle, that means it will work on OFW no need to be stuck on CFW v3.55. #3 – It will be complete ODD Blu-Ray emulator, allowing even the feature to rip your original PS3 game discs to your external HDD. #4 – Due to the nature of design, you will be required to open your PS3 to install it, but I been told NO SOLDERING is needed. #5 – More info will be release later, but for now any more pictures and videos are PRIVATE and been shown only to trusted long-time resellers.
Later to confirm it as legit and here is an image: 
Also posted on X3Key’s facebook wall  Official News Source Eurasia
UPDATE
This was just posted by modrobert on Eurasia
More info while waiting for the video: In order to retrieve the needed BD drive key, Team 3k3y (aka xk3y) will release a PS3 util which requires CFW 3.55, after the key is dumped the PS3 can be upgraded to latest official system update (firmware/XMB) to get PSN etc. The team is exploring other options to dump the required key as well, more on that later.
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UPDATE 2
Some tech info from modrobert .
General tech info about 3k3y which is true for xkey as well. The 3k3y hardware device is an advanced Optical Disc Drive (ODD) emulator, it does not rely on any software based hacks to operate (once the drive key is known). The device is connected on the SATA (PATA) bus in the PS3, like this; cable from PS3 goes into 3key, cable to BD drive goes out from 3k3y, in other words 3k3y physically sits between the drive and the PS3 mainboard and offers USB 2.0 port to connect hard drive(s). Games residing on the connected hard drive(s) can be selected using a small remote display with buttons (as seen in the photo linked a few posts up reading “PS3″ in white characters on the display). For the PS3 this device appears as a legit BD drive, and replies to any ATA protocol requests/commands the same way the original drive does. The BD drive key which is unique in each PS3 makes it possible for 3k3y to decrypt/encrypt data on the fly and redirect SATA traffic originally on disc media from the hard drive connected via USB 2.0 instead. No original Blu-ray disc needs to be inserted for operation, you can use this without any disc in the drive. Again, this makes it possible to use any official firmware (XMB) version you want after installation (and key retrieval). No need for software hacks like CFW or DEX to make this work at all. If the original game requires firmware (XMB) 4.25, then go ahead and update, just like you would if the system was completely original (virgin). I hope this clears up any misunderstandings what 3k3y does, or what it requires.
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UPDATE 3
Another update from modrobert
I’ve just got verified that 3k3y will use the old ISO backup format for games, not the decrypted PSJB format. So we finally get 1:1 game dumps again, great news for the release groups.
Using PS3 Linux the games can be dumped with the following command:
Code:
dd if=/dev/cdrom of=game.iso
As it was done years before PSJB (first USB dongle) was introduced.
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10-10-2012
01:41 AM
Where is Video?
Give us a link
10-10-2012
01:44 AM
I see that on Eurasia. Got me curious. He doesn't post video, but i asked to see it.
10-10-2012
01:50 AM
Another hype thread?! At least hope the video has better quality than the one from Red Power ;-)
10-10-2012
01:52 AM
Dafuq did I just read?
10-10-2012
02:10 AM
Sounds interesting, but wheres the video?
Edit:
Are PS3Key (PS3 dongles) and XKey (360 ODD) the same people?
10-10-2012
02:22 AM
10-10-2012
02:53 AM
Here we go again...
10-10-2012
03:19 AM
no no this is different this is different. -.- (sarcasm)
10-10-2012
03:33 AM
Seriously : This is a same thing like advertising dongles like TB .
If all sites had a general consensus to not advertise dongles , NONE would have bought them and without profit none would have created dongles .
If I were a moderator I would have deleted topics like this !
10-10-2012
04:02 AM
EDIT: meh..Nevermind..
10-10-2012
04:09 AM
ODE / ODD whatever is interesting, but it would only allow any* PS3 1k-4k to play back ups, not enable homebrew
Although 90% of the "HalP mE JaYLeBrake mY 4.25 P53" 'ers only care about piracy.
*It would mean all PS3s are open to piracy wouldnt it
This forum is a place to discuss anything related to PS3, not ignor these things, or promote DRM.
10-10-2012
04:23 AM
can i make pop corn with this?
10-10-2012
04:29 AM
10-10-2012
04:36 AM
ODE = optical disc (drive) emulation... emulate the disc drive and play games off HDD instead of disc.
(ODD/ODE/ODDE)
10-10-2012
04:47 AM
Better than a piracy reDRM dongle. The hardware is actually needed for this to work.
Sent from my toaster using Tapatalk 2
10-10-2012
04:49 AM
oooookay..
10-10-2012
04:58 AM
10-10-2012
05:11 AM
A lot of you people are dumb and have no idea what this is. You need hardware for an ODD, it can not be done with software, it is not a dongle.
10-10-2012
05:19 AM
Before you all get excited just remember that all Sony has to do is update the BD drive fw and the ODDe will be worthless.....
10-10-2012
05:23 AM
10-10-2012
06:13 AM
What does all this mean?
10-10-2012
06:24 AM
10-10-2012
06:38 AM
This PS3Key is gonna require 3.55 FW also, ain't it?
10-10-2012
06:44 AM
Another happy dildo... yeeey...
it was sacarsm, btw
10-10-2012
06:47 AM
Not much information has been published.
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You have written wrong
it's sarcasm
10-10-2012
06:56 AM
It should work kind of like this, I would imagine:
xKey (x360key) Vs AP2.5 - Super smart! - YouTube
Forget the ap2.5 and the fact its a 360 video. The principles of the way to load backups from the device are the same afaik.
10-10-2012
07:20 AM
10-10-2012
07:22 AM
Would be good if you want to play online if it comes out wonder if sony would patch it
I no microsoft hasnt yet on my wasabi xbox but i wouldnt want to lose
My homebrew on ps3 i wouldnt want to loose my showtime
10-10-2012
07:34 AM
Could this be related to this hax news from april? http://www.ps3hax.net/2012/04/rumor-...ive-emulation/
10-10-2012
07:36 AM
http://www.ps3key.com/en/ = PS3key?
10-10-2012
07:49 AM
10-10-2012
07:50 AM
http://www.ps3hax.net/showpost.php?p=447901&postcount=7
10-10-2012
07:52 AM
10-10-2012
08:06 AM
if it is like the xbox key . do u think ps3 owner would have to have a flasher to dump the drive key, like on the xbox key
10-10-2012
08:22 AM
10-10-2012
09:06 AM
And why do any of us want to watch that space? It's just another dongle and most of us dont want dongles. If they want to make people happy then release teh cfw for free and without drm.
10-10-2012
09:07 AM
10-10-2012
09:07 AM
Lol you wouldnt want to **** up on the blueray drive
Wasnt to hard to flash the drive on the jasper dont think it will be a easy
Task time will tell
10-10-2012
09:08 AM
you sir need to read up on the xboxkey its not like a dongle read read read thank you
10-10-2012
09:09 AM
[MENTION=104981]stussy1[/MENTION] Perhaps a jungle flash plugin or alternative for PS3 will surface.. if this is legit
10-10-2012
09:12 AM
Sorry... sometimes my fingers write whatever they want...
10-10-2012
09:20 AM
Sails for there xbox side
10-10-2012
09:24 AM
We will have to wait and see as per usual. If a video does come out, its going to get HEAVILY scrutinized.
10-10-2012
09:32 AM
if you go to the wiki you will find interesting info.
http://www.ps3devwiki.com/wiki/BD_Dr...se_Engineering
my limited understanding says this was done a little bit ago and now someone is using it.
Quote from wiki
"With both keys from EID4 we are now able to establish a secure communication channel with BD drive and send vendor-specific ATAPI commands to it.
Keys from EID4 are used only to derive a session key. After that they are not used anymore. A similar procedure is used e.g. to establish a secure communication channel with ENCDEC device.
ATAPI commands SEND_KEY and REPORT_KEY are used to exchange random number between host and BD drive.
Exchanged random numbers are used to derive the session key which is used later to send vendor-specific ATAPI commands (0xE0 and 0xE1) to BD drive.
The same procedue is follwed e.g. by Storage Manager which runs in LPAR1.
3DES-CBC with 2 keys is used to encrypt commands sent to BD drive."
10-10-2012
09:33 AM
http://www.modchipcentral.com/store/....html?&cat=277
10-10-2012
09:35 AM
10-10-2012
09:36 AM
Like [MENTION=224021]DEFAULTDNB[/MENTION] said it will help to silence the 4.xx whiners (Gives me warez so I canz pirates!)
Thank goodness the PS3 scene had a great and considerate dev who helped give us the conversion method of CEX->DEX. You are great Anonymous, whoever and where ever you are, thanks for saving us a lot of future headaches!
I'm telling ya, if we can find the new FSM lvl2diag.self for 3.60+ we could eliminate the need for EVERY HARDWARE METHOD and freely downgrade whatever PS3 we need to. (Except the newer ones)
10-10-2012
09:36 AM
10-10-2012
09:37 AM
That has nothing to do with this new device.
EDIT: Damn ninja'd by [MENTION=198593]pereb27[/MENTION]
10-10-2012
09:37 AM
Ah, shít, I'd buy it regardless of being a dongle. For that price I wouldn't mind as long as it would work on my PS3 4.21 FW. xD
Note: That was one of the links indicated to buy from the PS3Key website.
10-10-2012
09:49 AM
Back to back devs working together lol android phones to jailbreak
And then sony coming down with lawsuits had to ruin everything
And as for price cant see it selling under $100 and all the other stuff to do it
10-10-2012
09:55 AM
The code that does it is cool... the HW is essentially a SATA to USB connector though ($5) hahaha
Well thats what it is in the 360 version anyway
10-10-2012
09:59 AM
Well in either way, I'll just wait as usual to see what actually comes out.
10-10-2012
10:19 AM
10-10-2012
11:03 AM
features of this dongle
and again . another dongle published : ps3key
USB Plug and Play solution that installs in seconds without any need to open up the PS3
Does not break your warranty seal
JIG/Service mode firmware available for downgrading and restoring PS3 firmware
Compatible with all PS3 models*, both Fat and Slim
Supports all regions: USA, JAP, PAL and KOREA
Fully updatable via USB on your PC using an encrypted bootloader
32KB or 64KB onboard flash (most competing products only have 16KB flash)
Disables forced software updates and will never brick your console.
Supports most games and homebrew applications
Easy-to-use software for backing up, managing, and playing games from external USB Hard Drive
Playing games from HDD is much more enjoyable, benefiting from greatly enhanced seek and loading times
Supports installing homebrew application on PS3 and external USB media
Optionally PS3Key can be supplied with an "open" firmware which does not support backup loading. Users would then have to download a firmware update for PS3Key to get full functionality
10-10-2012
11:09 AM
read my commet above you last post and u will relise ,u just wrote info about the old dongle that works on 3.41 ofw
10-10-2012
11:17 AM
10-10-2012
11:18 AM
It´s not a dongle!
Here´s more info (source: ps3crunch)
#1 - The team for now wishes to remain anonymous regarding it, but are hoping for an 'end of the year' release.
#2 - It is full hardware interface, not some crappy reDRM dongle, that means it will work on OFW no need to be stuck on CFW v3.55.
#3 - It will be complete ODD Blu-Ray emulator, allowing even the feature to rip your original PS3 game discs to your external HDD.
#4 - Due to the nature of design, you will be required to open your PS3 to install it, but I been told NO SOLDERING is needed.
#5 - More info will be release later, but for now pictures and videos are PRIVATE and been shown only to trusted long-time resellers.
10-10-2012
11:20 AM
i'm sorry
when this dongle will release ??
10-10-2012
11:21 AM
Wasn't c4eva interested in hacking the PS3 through BD-emu or something like that
10-10-2012
11:22 AM
10-10-2012
11:22 AM
If the team in point #1 are the team behind TB, then point #2 would be moot, they would still be making money from the scene, without providing a free solution. Plus this will only allow piracy, so it doesnt further the scene....
#3 = exactly as we thought
#4 = obviously
#5 = why? what harm will releasing a video do, when we already have word of the device?
Just my immediate thoughts.
10-10-2012
11:29 AM
we do know that a lot of the files from 4.21 dev_flash can be decrypted with a DEX. Basically all the sys external and internal files decrypt.
I am just thinking that with the BD drive reversed then that was the open door and they may have found another weakness to exploit.
10-10-2012
11:33 AM
Its been confirmed as real, by garyOPA, front paging info on it now.
10-10-2012
11:38 AM
I THINK THAT THIS IS A NEW HARDWARE (DONGLE ) BY garyOPA
garyOPA WILL PUBLISH THIS HARDWARE LIKE Previous DONGLE (TRUE ****)
10-10-2012
11:40 AM
10-10-2012
11:40 AM
10-10-2012
11:42 AM
kool story
10-10-2012
11:42 AM
Meh. No thanks.
10-10-2012
11:42 AM
I THINK THAT . YOU HAVE WRITTEN WRONG
that is realise
10-10-2012
11:44 AM
Do any of you remember this thread ?
[Read More]
10-10-2012
11:47 AM
Plus if it requires me to use a clip like the E3 Flasher, it better be of real good quality and a DAMN good tutorial. I wouldn't like a "wanikoko" incident happening again as one slight move and you get a perma-brick.
[MENTION=7773]GregoryRasputin[/MENTION] The Front Page link in your earlier post is down. Please correct it.
10-10-2012
11:47 AM
10-10-2012
11:49 AM
10-10-2012
11:50 AM
Sorry fixed, it gives that dumb error when two links are posted close together.
10-10-2012
11:52 AM
[MENTION=9393]modrobert[/MENTION] says that a video is coming soon :D
10-10-2012
11:52 AM
that link is wrong
10-10-2012
11:55 AM
Thanks boss
10-10-2012
11:55 AM
Guys give my ass a break, i fixed it, unfortunately, every time i edit the news posts, the same thing will happen >.<
10-10-2012
11:56 AM
I don't want to be spoilsport but... How does this enable homebrew?? Or am I missing a point?? Cos this is just a piracy product. If I update to 4.21 to use this X3KEY, I have to kiss Showtime goodbye, which I am not willing to do so easily.
10-10-2012
11:58 AM
like x360 key. You have the dashboard and its possible to install homebrew like Showtime
10-10-2012
11:58 AM
10-10-2012
12:00 PM
thanks so much
10-10-2012
12:00 PM
10-10-2012
12:01 PM
10-10-2012
12:01 PM
10-10-2012
12:02 PM
Just more one piece of ****, from me they il receive 0,00 euros.
10-10-2012
12:05 PM
source :www.eurasia.nu
10-10-2012
12:08 PM
10-10-2012
12:16 PM
Taken from Eurasia.nu :
This got me worried already. As you can see, this is a NOR FAT PS3, with seprarate logic board. The device is plugged between the BD controller board and the motherboard.
What about CECH-25xx and higher models, which have the BD controller on the motherboard itself?
Not that I care about that device myself, but I wonder how they'll get it working on those models.
10-10-2012
12:17 PM
i think that we can keep and install package or homebrew .
We should wait
10-10-2012
12:20 PM
Cool but a 4.21 cfw would be much better as homebrew games and emulators would work as well as knew games but this is cool news any way :D not sure weather I will buy one as the 360key is great and is still working had it for over a year know never been banned :D
10-10-2012
12:21 PM
However, since we can sign EBOOTS for 3.55, MAYBE there's a way to have homebrew recognized as disc and run through the ODD, but I wouldn't keep my hopes up. Sony could probably whitelist <3.55 disc EBOOTs aswell (so far AFAIK they only whitelisted NPDRM EBOOTs).
10-10-2012
12:21 PM
So it's no longer a rumour but a confirmation that this is real? Cool.
10-10-2012
12:25 PM
this won't allow homebrew (if it's anything like the 360 model) all it does it emulate the drive, it makes the console think it's using the original drive / disc instead of a HDD / backup. the problem with this is your console would have to be opened for the 3key to be installed, also more than likely some soldering. not sure how this will work on the ps3 as with 360 the drive key is needed to emulate the drive properly. not sure how this will be achieved on the ps3, i'm not a fan of dongles but at least the console did not have to be opened and wires soldered to use it................................sudeki300
10-10-2012
12:47 PM
Also: Its not a dongle [MENTION=235910]uncharted angel[/MENTION] :P
10-10-2012
12:56 PM
"#4 – Due to the nature of design, you will be required to open your PS3 to install it, but I been told NO SOLDERING is needed."
10-10-2012
01:00 PM
Questions:
In the image there is something on the screen, what game or homebrew can anyone identify that?
Also what does it say on the devices screen under the word "PS3"?
10-10-2012
01:02 PM
10-10-2012
01:03 PM
Fingers crossed this works on ALL PS3's (FAT to 2000 Slim + and also possibly 3000 & 4000) and that the price won't be too high, or if it is, might as well pay someone to downgrade it instead.
10-10-2012
01:04 PM
it's borderlands yeah
10-10-2012
01:05 PM
10-10-2012
01:11 PM
I remember the old thread on this. Completely useless for people who want to keep their homebrew so I'm out. It is a nice concept though...for that I like it. But if all it can do is Pirate how much better is it to DEX?
DEX
*Free!
*Downgrade/Upgrade back and fourth as much as you want
*Keep your homebrew
*Play any PS3 game ever via disk or backup and Sony cant patch it
*No Blu-Ray or DVD movie playback (for now?)
*No opening up your PS3
*No PSN
PS3Key
*Costs money and expensive (Most likely around the same price as x360Key - $104)
*Pirate any game (Possibly patched by Sony)
*No homebrew...purely games
*Must open up your ps3 to install
*PSN...?
I cant see why PSN wouldn't work so you could argue the fact you want PSN and get it but is it really worth that price? Personally I say no but that's just me.
At least its not DRM and you actually need to pay because you need the hardware for it to work.
On a side note I realized something here today.
While I didn't like true blue for making people pay for something that could and should be free, with this news I realized its more than that. I don't like any device that ONLY enables piracy.
For the love of everything I'm not trying to start a debate I'm just stating that this device will be the first one to separate the homebrew side of the scene from the pirate side of the scene.
10-10-2012
01:25 PM
Posted by [MENTION=9393]modrobert[/MENTION] on Eurasia
10-10-2012
01:43 PM
I would love to believe this but somehow I don't aspecialy the fact we are talking about Gary opa here. The one who made the cobra features into kmeaw cfw and didn't work and now we see this with his name. I mean no disrespect but going on what I've seen on the scene from him.
10-10-2012
01:46 PM
If this works on the PS3 Super Slim then im in.
I left the homebrew scene seeing as the one thing i wanted (N64 emulator) hasn't been and probably never will be release.
10-10-2012
01:48 PM
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01:52 PM
10-10-2012
01:54 PM
So unless they mystically find a way to dump the keys it looks liek a hardware flasher is still my best and only option as i would need to go back to 3.55 for this to work and i dislike spending money on one device let alone 2.
10-10-2012
02:03 PM
UPDATE :
They are going to be sent/shipped to distributors in 6-7 weeks. Then they should be ready for sales.
10-10-2012
02:06 PM
if its only for 3.55 cfw them erm what the f**king point in this . well its not like we cant play games from hdd alrwady on 3.55
10-10-2012
02:06 PM
Euhmm... Newer games without patches and ebootfixes? ;D
10-10-2012
02:06 PM
If it doesn't work on 3k/4k models then it's pretty useless since it's getting really hard to find older models that are on 3.55 or that can be downgraded.
10-10-2012
02:07 PM
After reading some of this thread all I want to do is facepalm..... I didn't know the scene I used to love so much was full of so many idiots and not just people that haven't been around long. I am seeing long time members say some dumb ****.
ODDE is hardware. There is no way to do it via software so no it cannot be free....sorry to all you cheap bastards out there that believe they are entitled to everything for free. An ODDE will give you the ability to probably play all the warez you want and use PSN, and I hate to put it like this but that is all 90% of the people that even bothered posting in this thread want anyway. This is not a MFW and will never be a MFW. You can tell me that you are in this for the homebrew, but how many pieces of homebrew have you loaded more than loading your backup manager?
I was actually in this same argument this morning. To those crying about a device you have to pay for, you obviously werent around other console scenes or the modchip era. You really need to get over this thing about being entitled to everything for free. Of course I was having a debate with a guy that also told me charging for a downgrade service was wrong, and he also thinks ODDE can be done without any hardware.....
Now by the whole "why do I have to pay" logic then the RGH/JTAG 360 is ripping people off, flash carts are a rip off, every Team xecutor product ever made was a ripoff, downgrade services are ripping people off, and 360 modding services are ripping people off. Sorry but if you think that is how the world works, then you are either broke, a cheapskate, or are incredibly stupid to think that a person's time isn't worth **** as long as you get what you want for free.
I can't believe the stupidity I have read by users comparing this to True Blue. An ODDe is adding a feature which is the ability to play backups off of a hard drive even on OFW. True Blue broke DRM, to reencrypt it with their own DRM, which is wrong and should have been free all along. They straight up made a profit from things that could have been done through software and they had no right making money off of eboots that they encrypted. They didn't add anything to the console, they used stolen code to make profit from things they had no business making money from, and they also added things like that awesome hard drive erase feature that I am sure everyone really really wanted. True Blue was nothing more than glorified butt rape. Even Cobra I can agree with because it added features that still aren't in MFW or any OFW.
Reverse engineering takes time. Making a circuit takes time. Get a product manufactured in mass volumes takes time and money. Shipping costs money. As long as people continue to get their warez for free then by this logic **** time , money and resources spent? If it was a reDRM type of situation then I would join in on the flaming but it isnt. I could go on for days but some people will refuse to even comprehend this logic.
I really wonder what a lot of the crybabies did before 3.55. What did you people that have this entitlement complex do when you had to actually pay for your games?
The people that think everything should be free potentially also hurts other users. You can thank people like yourselves for the reason I am not doing downgrades. If you think I am picking up a soldering iron just to get a warm fuzzy feeling for helping a stranger then you might want to consider going to your local hospital's psych unit to get evaluated. Why shouldn't I get paid for a skill that someone doesnt have? I am charging for a solder job and I dont see how that is different then say a TV repairman for example.
Oh and not to **** on anyone hopes and dreams but what if Sony pushes an update that updates the BD drive firmware....then your ODDE is worthless.
reDRM is wrong, charging for legitimate mod chips/hardware that gives things that arent normally available is not.
10-10-2012
02:10 PM
I do think if this ONLY works for people with the ability to run 3.55, it wont sell that well >.<
10-10-2012
02:17 PM
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10-10-2012
02:27 PM
Being pirates of the PS3 doesn't stop at back-ups it should end where we know we can harbor our trust in the PS3 devs. Sure the new hardware is coming out, and if you don't like that don't cry about it. Maybe we are on 3.55 cfw some people choose Rogero, Dex-Exceedy, Kmeaw or some of you guys and girls make your own, but for those of us who say nay to this new hardware more power to us because we can support the scene after those who update are gone. Now I can't promise a custom firmware will beat this, but what I can say is support your fellow man and donate to them to work on these things, so maybe we may not ever have OFW but who wants that I can't go a day without opening up Retro and breaking out some crazy old @$$ gba rom, or playing sonic 3 & knuckles. Just don't get all bent out of shape because a ODDe is being released just stick to what we all know and wait for something better than that because homebrew has never steered me wrong. Let's just remember this is a group effort and we shouldn't start demanding free methods because when you demand you actually have a chance of not recieving a d@#* thing. Best of luck PS3 -Scene because we are going to need it.
10-10-2012
02:29 PM
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02:32 PM
10-10-2012
02:40 PM
Like I said previously, this time the hardware is required. It reminds me of the good ol' chip days. Despite what I said earlier about devices that only offer pirating, and the fact that I dont pirate games now days, I used to pirate every game on the ps1. Back then, simply booting a CD-R on my ps1 that I wrote a game ISO to myself on my 3k CD writer, was thrilling...lol
10-10-2012
02:41 PM
If Sony can change the keys its useless as you cant then run homebrew on your now updated machine to use the utility to get the updated keys....but... if they cant then this is still only great for pirates.
DEX ftw.
10-10-2012
02:44 PM
Stop me if I'm wrong
10-10-2012
02:46 PM
if they find a way to dump the required key on 3k/4k models then this may be big.
i cant help but wonder if the current backups still work with this or would fresh dumps need to be made as in a 1:1 disc image
10-10-2012
02:49 PM
Also I believe that with time that the device can retrieve the key regardless of firmware. Most 360 ODDEs can retrieve the key for you now.
10-10-2012
03:00 PM
here at ps3hax always have been comparisions between xbox360 & ps3 on how the xbox360scene is great, they get all new games, they have homebrews etc etc ... and now with odde we may be at same level (almost) and i will pay for that just to screw sony over (just like i paied for e3 flasher and progskeet)
10-10-2012
03:05 PM
same method like the wode for the wii, that works great and easy install!!!!!!
10-10-2012
03:09 PM
hmm... no more backup managers, i'm wonder what deank will say about this...
also, i dont like this sh1t... no homebrew at al (no cinavia patch, no showtime, no emus, no dex convertion, no new keys, no ebot decrytion, no usercheat, etc)
10-10-2012
03:16 PM
Well something to remark we PS3 owners know that in order to downgrade or use homebrew we have 2 tools in order to that = E3 flasher/Progkseet.
Both of them DEMANDS to open up our PS3 with some big cojones and make the downgrade ourselfs.
We can **** up many times but it's trial/error situation.
How i see it?..simple. PS3 scene or communities besides drama among other things is most *Mature* because we have slim chances to make our console *OURS* (ironic) and make of it the **** we want with it.
In Microsoft case they have a more organized, less drama and more brothership because they know that the system is not a ****ing bunker.
Please any fanboy avoid to jump to my neck for stating what i think is true (being a proud owner too of an Xbox360) It's another thing.
40% Of the popullation of the xb0x360 scene what OS they use on their rigs? = Windows.
Even here happens the same but with DEX conversion average user HAS to learn basic linux commands to perform the convertion.
Now we have a good and nice movement of users entering to an unknown realm = LINUX.
And even using it as their primary OS.
We know we have 2 chances a PS3 owners, stay legit or open up our PS3.
In Xbox360 its the same but they have many FAR many more tools to achieve what they want with the product than us.
10-10-2012
03:17 PM
10-10-2012
03:19 PM
The 3k3y hardware device is an advanced Optical Disc Drive (ODD) emulator, it does not rely on any software hacks to operate (once the
drive key is known).
The device connected on the SATA (PATA) bus in the PS3, like this; cable from PS3 goes into 3key, cable to BD drive goes out from 3k3y,
in other words 3k3y physically sits between the drive and the PS3 mainboard and offers USB 2.0 port to connect hard drive(s).
For the PS3 this device appears as a legit BD drive, and replies to any ATA protocol requests/commands the same way the original drive
does. The BD drive key which is unique in each PS3 makes it possible for 3k3y to decrypt/encrypt data on the fly and redirect SATA traffic
originally on disc media from the hard drive instead connected via USB 2.0 instead.
Again, this makes it possible to use any official firmware (XMB) version you want after installation (and key retrieval). No need for software
hacks like CFW or DEX to make this work at all. If the original game requires firmware (XMB) 4.25, then go ahead and update, just like you
would if the system was completely original
10-10-2012
03:22 PM
So, um, this requires 3.55 FW? Oh well, I'm a patient person. I can wait.
10-10-2012
03:25 PM
Useless.
10-10-2012
03:28 PM
I think i will post 1TB of boobs collection on a single thread here on hax.
10-10-2012
03:28 PM
Very bad news!!! Everything turns into money money money.
10-10-2012
03:33 PM
As far as I know you can't play every game using this device on the xbox 360.... If you updated your dash by going online then you have the silent.dae update and i don't think the titleupdate/mp3 method works to play xgd3 and ap2.5 xgd2s off of the hdd. For the ps3 i would imagine that if a new fw update is rolled out it would make playing games above 4.21 useless....
10-10-2012
03:33 PM
Its an interesting option to have for PS3 backups, but unless they figure out how to dump the keys (iirc from EID4) no one can use this above 3.55, so they might as well stick to DEX... which is free, and allows homebrew
BTW if they ever do manage to dump EID4 from FW 4.xx+ they might as well be able to dump all the other keys..... including perconsole? (I could be wrong here)
10-10-2012
03:33 PM
No harm done.
We don't selling intel to the enemy, just purchasing something on a system corrupted (Generally speaking) rotten to the core.
Happens here, happens in real life.
Is like asking anyone or make some *census* to know if anybody recently purchased Windows 7 or Vista for personal use? or just pirate it?.
Ask to the 80% and they will excuse themselves that it's a ****ty OS and don't need to be purchases unless you run a business or something like that. Where most of the times is imperative to have it but for personal use?...nah.
10-10-2012
03:37 PM
I am still a firm believer that homebrew and PSN do not belong together. Most people that do want the two together dont care about homebrew. It isn't like you get any benefit from playing an emulator while signed into PSN...... cheaters and hardcore pirates are the only people that want MFW and PSN to mix. At least this way the community can get rid of a lot of the users that only want warez, 4.xx jailbreaks, or online MP mods (like CoD lobbies.)
and I say "get rid of" but that isn't what I meant. Devices like this will be part of the community, but at least I don't have to worry about an ODDE user getting on PSN with modded eboots or running that crap ps3 usercheat, or anything else that would destroy the online experience for other people. People have been using backups on Xbox Live for years, but Microsoft has also done a good job of keeping Jtag/RGH boxes off of Live. Playing backups online isn't going to hurt any legit user as opposed to MFW on PSN which could potentially cause chaos. A few warez on PSN isn't going to hurt anyone. The only people that will cry about it are MFW users that have no business on PSN anyway.... and those people that are pissed because a piece of hardware isn't free.
10-10-2012
03:40 PM
The PS3 Scene is about making money currently, but once someone finds, or shares their real CFW for PS3's with 3.56+. Then those who're willing to pay have the option to do so, instead of getting a free solution.
I personally prefer to spend money on legit games than a device that allows to play pirate games (not to forget it only works on 3.55 FW).
Have fun.
10-10-2012
03:42 PM
its still not my sort of thing though but its progress at least
10-10-2012
03:44 PM
10-10-2012
03:46 PM
Talking with some friends other day about this *issue* about PSN/Homebrew and pirates.
It's 10 times more comfortable and 10 times less expensive at the end of the day to be legit or just have a PS3 only for homebrews and other only for playing online.
Many of them pirated many games on Xbox360 and i told them to buy the original and later told me what changed from owning a crapy pirated/ripped copy than a original and even an special edition of certain game. (Same happens with PS3)
1 month later they bought the game and guess what? this so called pirates now are legit users that instead of using torrents to get the latest game are buying it.
Watch it, if the game is a CRAP or i believe is a CRAP i will *test* it first and see what happens if the game is cool enough and i got the money is a *must be* on my collection.
Happens often on Steam, since im more a PC gamer than a console one.
But BF3 got away with murder and Origin, battlelog is a pain in the arse i can't backup my OWN GAME.
Besides i have to use that ****ty client of them that take ages to find some decent server.
**** happens.
10-10-2012
03:48 PM
I like to try before I buy for my OFW machine
I believe you should buy the games you love and support the devs who make them, so they can make more in future.
10-10-2012
03:57 PM
Come on 90% of the games don't worth their cost i think that buying a game like fall out, gran turismo , GTA has a sense but spending 59 euros for games like nfs the run, motorstorm, splint secon velocity etc has no sense if you could download it i think nfs the run is a good game to play for free nothing more anyway it s just a point of view...
10-10-2012
04:03 PM
Yes MFW is free but saying this can be done for free kind of shows me that a lot of users aren't fully understanding the difference between this and a MFW. This cannot be done for free. Software cannot do this for you, and the only way you will ever run backups on 4.xx+ without hardware is to pray that a new MFW comes out....which is looking grim. A new MFW may be coming out, but remember that the rumors are also pointing to a new reDRM dongle just to be able to run it.
I would buy one of these over any reDRM MFW that should be open and free. Let us say that Sony actually leaves this alone or PS3key is able to stay on top of updating their device.... we all know Sony will be quick to block a new MFW. So pay for a device that allows backups on current firmware, pay for ****ty reDRM dongle that will be blocked so you will once again be stuck on a certain firmware, or stay on 3.55 and access PSN whenever someone decides to tell how to access the network when Sony changes something (which is few and far between in terms of accessing PSN.) I think if backups were a big deal to me then I know what I would do, but PS3 backups arent a big deal to me. I have a couple of 360s for both homebrew and/or backups. I also believe that Sony still makes the best exclusives and I would want to pay for those to support these masterpieces like Uncharted, Heavy Rain, and God of War.
Just because I will choose to stay with MFW doesn't mean I disagree with a device that doesn't use shady reDRM practices to allow something on OFW that nothing else can provide.
10-10-2012
04:03 PM
I know for a fact that Call of Duty Modern Warfare 1/2/3 is always the same, possible even the Black Ops are.
To be fair, CoD:MW1 is pretty awesome, I loved the missions in Chernobyl, that was really spectacular.
10-10-2012
04:12 PM
Also the ps3 is gonna to be dead, and i lose some of my entusiasm on this console, well maybe cuz i get my new pc recently.
Have fun playing games on psn, i il continue using warez and buying the game if i like it and enjoyed.
10-10-2012
04:14 PM
[MENTION=3010]BobbyBlunt[/MENTION] I agree a free ode solution is not possible.
I simply meant that seeing as you need 3.55 to get the keys initially, I personally wouldn't update just to play new games. I would rather convert to dex and play new or old games through hdd with genps3 etc, and retain homebrew and the ability to convert back to cex or downgrade via qa/software rather than needing an additional flasher after spending out on the ode.
In my mind it doesn't make sense to use this solution. Dex would be better IMO for any one lucky enough to have got hold of a 3.55 capable console.
10-10-2012
04:15 PM
10-10-2012
04:19 PM
Unless this works on ofw i cant see many people getting it
Most people on cfw have a alternative ps3 for online
In there facebook for ofw in near future if that turns out then
Sony will start paniking lol
10-10-2012
04:20 PM
nvm, front page updated with a better understanding..
10-10-2012
04:22 PM
10-10-2012
04:24 PM
10-10-2012
04:25 PM
I hope this is real, I have no money so I gotta sell my PSP that I just got to get some new games :S
10-10-2012
04:26 PM
who thinks this is tb behind it ?
10-10-2012
04:28 PM
There could be a way to dump the needed keys using A java Exploit or a flash exploit ...
Lets just hope someone finds another exploit that could work soon/Releases.
10-10-2012
04:30 PM
Also i'll mention that this will not be cheap, my guess would be $130, similar to xbox version, lucky I got mine free..
10-10-2012
04:30 PM
TB isn't team k3y
10-10-2012
04:31 PM
Or maybe for ofw automatic drive key extraction like the wasabi
If it happens hopefully team wasabi comes along or this thing wont be
Cheap
10-10-2012
04:31 PM
Some tech info from [MENTION=9393]modrobert[/MENTION].
10-10-2012
04:43 PM
Beside the inability to be used with models 3k/4k we will have to see what kind of move sony will make.
I don't think it will be that hard for them to secure the drive again with a new firmware update.
10-10-2012
04:44 PM
i know it tb company is not ps3keys !!
o yeah erm cheers for answering for every body on this site . didnt know every body sent u messages, just so u could replie 4 them
10-10-2012
04:44 PM
This ODD is useless as it requires 3.55
10-10-2012
04:51 PM
10-10-2012
04:56 PM
Guys, the team claim to be working on other methods to get the key, so for you PSN whores who love to pirate, once it is possible to get the keys from 4.25+ fw's, this is going to pwn, well for you, not for me, as i only want my PS3 for Homebrew.
10-10-2012
04:57 PM
With what we see ,there's no BR drive .
The good question is : will it it work with all ps3 ?
Cause the Fat model and the first slim have a BR Card ,but no on the 160go slim and the new slim .
At least ,someone have find a way to emulate the BR reader with a simple Hdd + a little board ... or it's a fake
10-10-2012
04:58 PM
10-10-2012
04:59 PM
Options.
Ofw ppl who are on 3.56 and beyond are still out of luck unless they manage to get keys without hombrew access.... I can't see it unless the device eventually reads the key and doesn't require an app to be run on 3.55.
What if they get keys, instal ode, update and Sony patches it? How do you then re-crack/get new keys from the 4.25 update? No homebrew = poop.
No options.
I think there is more chance of Sony patching this then there is of no more dex fw getting leaked..
10-10-2012
05:02 PM
So do they have a method to dump the keys that doesn't involve being on 3.55 or not?
Because releasing a product that still doesn't help most of the people who own a PS3 seems like a money grab to me :/
If they find a way to dump the keys without 3.55 then i might consider buying one if the price is right, without a way to dump the keys it seems useless to me
10-10-2012
05:03 PM
actually.
ODD is one of the best Methods for backups.
It complety emulates a Bluray drive and it is unfindable for Sony so unpatchable to.
Sadly enough you require CFW 3.55 to get the bluray drive key.
and i'm on 4.25.
10-10-2012
05:03 PM
only time will say.
Microsft neved succed to fix it let's hope it will be the same here
10-10-2012
05:03 PM
^^ failed to read
10-10-2012
05:04 PM
if it could run unsigned eboots then homebrew would work, i doubt it would run unsigned eboots
10-10-2012
05:05 PM
70-90 dollar.
BTW the PS3 just thinks that it is the normal PS3 drive thats running the iso of the game you have.
Homebrew or anything that can't be runned on the normal drive can't run with this.
This is actually really bad for sony, they can't recognize it,Stop it or do anything.
And with this device you only can play backups.
So it is way worse then CFW's
10-10-2012
05:05 PM
Word is that it's going to work on 4.21 dex too so, at least, there will be no more bdemu space restrictions and official patches requirements plus, obviously, free downgrade to 3.55 dex for full homebrews.
10-10-2012
05:09 PM
10-10-2012
05:15 PM
If they sell this saying "Works on all PS3 firmwares" without mentioning that it demands 3.55 FW I'm guessing there'll be a lot of unhappy buyers which have 3.56+ and then "Oh no! It doesn't work!".
Well, it wouldn't be the first time for such thing to happen.
People who buy online are grown ups and know what they're getting into. It's their money and their risk.
10-10-2012
05:16 PM
Well we can but live in hope i guess, but sadly i'm not seeing much light at the end of this tunnel
10-10-2012
05:18 PM
10-10-2012
05:20 PM
Still, it would be great if xkey team manages to find a method to retrieve the key from newer console models.
10-10-2012
05:23 PM
a way to fix all my systems with failed blueray drives.
you shouldn't have charged us and honored warranty.
Now we must fix it ourselves.
Way to go! 2012 Scene is lookin' good
10-10-2012
05:28 PM
So i think that at least you will need a drive that isn't completely dead.
10-10-2012
05:33 PM
if this 3key works as xkey it will be probable the same because it just emulate the disc-drive and use the drive key.
there is no difference between xkey and disc drive for xbox360 console so maybe this is the same with 3key for ps3.
time will say
10-10-2012
05:42 PM
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10-10-2012
05:43 PM
Without being able to decrypt sv_iso_spu_module.self from 4.xx people who can't downgrade are SOL.
Glevand detailed it all on the wiki. The process and the code in order to do it.
If they have found a way to get the keys. I applaud them for the hard work. I don't believe in them selling it but as the saying goes
"There's one born every minute"
and they will make money.
If I can hope for anything is that with this release a new method to get the keys, for all, can come from it.
10-10-2012
05:44 PM
10-10-2012
05:46 PM
what about a ps3 with out logic board ?
10-10-2012
05:53 PM
you can get the dvd key from xbox360 without disc drive in the console if you do reset glitch hack because the dvd key is also in motherboard for exemple.
maybe (yes i know again "maybe" lol) we will need to load some pkg files to get the keys because the cfw 3.55 is need.
i hope we'll get more informations soon
10-10-2012
05:53 PM
But in the end it all depends on where in the drive the key is physically stored and on how much the drive needs to be operational.
I remember full well that when i wanted to flash my xbox drive i needed to connect it to my pc to get the keys.
Well, i too hope that they will provide more info soon.
10-10-2012
06:01 PM
10-10-2012
06:04 PM
So you don't need 3.55 CFW... but you need 3.55 CFW to get the key. Are people even trying to hack higher FW's anymore?? Hopefully there's a way to get the key from OFW, I wouldn't mind paying for something that let me play the latest game I bought along with the old backups
10-10-2012
06:10 PM
That's all good, but I personally don't like the idea of opening my PS3 at all, so will continue to use software only methods.
10-10-2012
06:22 PM
Ok I just seen 2nd update on this thread and can see where this is leading which makes it very interesting n honestly the actual USB ports act as a bf drive that are encrypted n we all know how to bypass that honestly. A little analysis can tell us a lot just on operations.
10-10-2012
06:38 PM
so no homebrew with this device? it's not like i care about homebrew anyway lol
10-10-2012
06:39 PM
I don't even need to see the pricing model to determine that I won't be paying even half the cost of a new PS3, just to play the newer games that I will inevitably be able to play without it.
If there's all this room for innovation, why is it that all these third party DRM-diseased bastards can seem to think about is what they can do next to turn a profit from an already dead market?
10-10-2012
06:43 PM
10-10-2012
06:49 PM
Wouldn't getting higher FW games to run on 3.55 pretty simple with this? (EBOOT would be decrypted)
Or am I mistaken?
Of course not even counting the factor that the team behind ODD might implement some security measures so it won't be "one buys, rest rejoices".
10-10-2012
06:52 PM
EPIC FAIL ON MY PART. that thread is from 2010. /me facepalms at myself.
10-10-2012
06:58 PM
Thats so old.
10-10-2012
07:35 PM
The question is will sony be able to patch it
Microsoft hasnt for the past year after a couple of updates
10-10-2012
09:07 PM
This seems like a pirates and psn cheaters dream, lol
No homebrew means it´s not for me but I know alot of people who might be interested.
Now that the ps3 is hitting a mature age it´s interesting to see what will pop up in hardware and in software for hacking the ps3.
I´m wondering what this hardware will cost?
10-10-2012
09:31 PM
Did you fail to notice that part where I said the key will probably be obtainable without 3.55? That is actually a very very real possibilty if the ODDE is correct. At some point the BD control board has to tell the PS3 mainboard what the key is. During this handshake you have the ODDE sitting in the middle. I would almost bet that by actual release of this product that the device will obtain the key for you.
The only reason I mentioned downgrade are for those people that claim they are in it for the homebrew. The can pick up a downgrader along with this ODDE instead of using 2 PS3s ..... read my entire post and you would see I stated that pretty clearly. Some people want it all which is homebrew, PSN, and all new warez....sorry but this isnt Feb. 2011 anymore.
While I can't stand for someone to skim a post I do agree with you on one simple point....downgrading to get the BD key, only to upgrade back would be stupid, and this device would fail horribly.
Maybe instead of half ass thinking of a way to try and call me on a point that you disagree with, do some research then prove to me I am wrong because your point isn't even valid. You ask where I have been for the last 12 months, well where were you for the last few years? If you had been around you may notice that I don't try to attempt to speak on things I have no business making opinions on.
10-10-2012
09:52 PM
If we can get the key for eid4 then would we be able to modify our drives to play burned ps3 games on dex firmwares?
And whatever happened to that 4.21 cfw, in my opinion this ode is kind of the same thing.
Why can't devs or whoever wait until they actually have a physical product ready for the masses, before releasing info.
All we end up with is 8 million people who honestly don't know any true facts about it speculating about a currently non existent product.
If I said I have a way to play ORBIS games on the ps3 will I get a 104 page thread too? Maybe I should find out...
10-10-2012
10:06 PM
You are missing my point. It has nothing to do about online, and it has nothing to do with how detectable it is. Sony updates the drive firmware and the device will simply not work anymore. The only reason you have never seen this with the xkey is because MS hasn't updated the drive firmware since spring of last year with the XGD3 update.
Saying MS can't do **** is a bit wrong. Microsoft and Sony can do a lot more than you think.....they have people like us sitting on payroll to play anti hacker. Just think ixtreme 1.6 (if you were around back then.) Many Many people got banned and it wasn't the backups that were getting people caught, it was the drive fw.
Saying someone cant do **** is funny. MS could update tomorrow and it would flash everyone that took the update back to a new stock fw making xkey a temporary paperweight. Sony can update and make your ODDE worthless. Your point about staying offline also helps the point of many other people. What would be the point? You would eventually be stuck on a certain fw, games would start becoming unplayable, and the crying about "I can't warez newer games" would begin all over again. To make it worse you already lost your MFW. I would much rather be stuck on MFW than be stuck on a specific OFW with ODDE without the option to update and keep my ODDE.
10-10-2012
10:31 PM
I wonder if the "3K3y" team are having any luck with those xbox drive key probe extractors... prolly have to modify it for a BR drive. As long as the BD drive powers up you still should be able take it apart to probe it for the key whether the lens works or not that wont make no difference. But where to probe the drive is another question.
Lol look at all these monkeys on here they don't even know what this is.... all the re-drm talk and dongles, an the funny part was the dude that posted links to PS3Key which isn't even the same product.
Oh... and home brew will be possible to a certain extent... you just have to put it in the same format as a retail disk and save it as an iso or whatever format its gonna require.... not too complex. (Like making an emulator disk)
And for all the stupid people that still don't know what this is....
Its hardware that plugs in between the blu ray drive and ps3 so you can attach a usb hard drive, and it pretends the USB hard drive is the blu ray drive to load iso's
Maybe people should read before they have a hissy fit, chuck things around with tears in their eyes while stomping their feet like a 3 yr old.
10-10-2012
10:46 PM
[MENTION=224021]DEFAULTDNB[/MENTION] you made a comment a few pages back about ODDE and DEX together.....all I can say is I wish I had an xzibit meme right now
10-10-2012
10:49 PM
Only to play backups without homebrew? Where is the fun?
10-10-2012
11:19 PM
10-10-2012
11:37 PM
All the post I've read thro n yet ppl are fighting over playing backups and homebrew and honestly yes Sony will patch it like anything else n the keys will probly change with a fw update or the way they are done. To me it seems like a dex fw turned into retail n using the key on the drive to validate how it acts. 3.55 is only the base n I'm sure if blue disc comes out it will be the same thing.
10-11-2012
12:15 AM
I believe the present 3.55 CFW and DEX solution offers more than this.
Unless, this new solution offers help for folks with 3K models and Super-Slim or people with 3.55 or higher. If it only works for 3.55 or below, I feel it is kinda back to square one.
10-11-2012
01:11 AM
10-11-2012
01:13 AM
After reading all this debate, now it seem to me that all those who get their games or firmware for free from Devs are call Homebrew and those who pay for it (plug and play) are call Idiot or Dumb ass or ass plug lover (which is me :D). Why can't those so call homebrew have a thought for those who does not understand how to do it, yes you can say all those tutorial is there to teach you but you must remember that not all is like you (smart ass).
10-11-2012
01:33 AM
Edit: Sorry that was a little rude, what I meant to say was: If you have a modded ps3 and you don't know how to install homebrew on it and you dont know how to search for help or just ask someone for help then you are an idiot.
10-11-2012
02:35 AM
There truly is no excuse only laziness
************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
You get people hyped up to a release date, get them waiting with their wallets wide open...and on the release date they are rich within a matter of hours.
10-11-2012
03:13 AM
But the biggest question is, can you run homebrew with it? if not, then it's not interesting and only interesting for those pirating lamers...
10-11-2012
03:37 AM
I cant wait for this because i allready have my 3rd and 4th Console here, #1 and #2 are broken because of the ****ing lens of the bd drive. The BD Drive in the PS3 is very good, but the Lens is so ****ing cheap.....
if i have the possibility to backup my games with this ****, i will buy this!
Because my warrenty is gone since 3months :-D
10-11-2012
03:48 AM
There is no HEN for 3.56+
There is no way to run HB via backup exploit because of hypervisor.
The only possible thing I can think of is BD-Java via disc, but afaik its sandboxed by the HV - if BD-java even still works on 3.x+ FW.
10-11-2012
04:00 AM
No homebrew at all, this won't even allow cheaters since it only allows 1:1 copies from an USB 2.0 mass storage device
10-11-2012
04:02 AM
10-11-2012
04:12 AM
10-11-2012
04:25 AM
10-11-2012
04:30 AM
would be good if the 3.55 keys would work on this then pp have homebrew but i cant see that happening as the key is blocked
10-11-2012
05:05 AM
10-11-2012
05:09 AM
Strange comments here.
It's been fully explained to all of you yet there's a hell of a lot of silly conjecture and hypothesizing. No homebrew - period. No cracked PSN games - period. No cracked PSX games - period. No crackeed PSN anything - period.
This does not crack any encryption, this just stores disk images, you select which one is presented to the PS3 and the PS3 will accept it providing it is a genuine image.
THAT IS ALL.
Good for piracy, not good for anything else.
Considering how much TB cost and this will be costing only a tiny bit more if it costs same amount as X3k3y, it's not bad.
10-11-2012
05:09 AM
a well known dev said you can rewrite the homebrews in iso format so maybe it is possible to run homebrew with the br emu. Time will tell....
10-11-2012
05:12 AM
Since I don't have the time right now to read all these posts and start an arguments about different points of view, I will be honest and say I am just waiting for the day that we just have a method to obtain all the PS3 keys needed to decrypt all the different modules in any PS3 console / model and we can go online without stupid marketing restrictions.
So, nice hardware news (another option in the scene), but not my dream come true =P...this product looks and smells even worse than True Blue for some reason.
My Christmas wish / letter for Santa Claus is: PS3 Security Eternally Exposed
Then finally I will be able to go out and scream to the sky: "Yes! This PS3 console is finally mine! and I can do whatever the hell I want with it now!"
SeeYa!
10-11-2012
05:17 AM
no homebrew means a no from me...sorry i love my hb too much to lose it all...im on dex anyway...this is just for people who want to play free games online...im not bothered about psn...i'll stick with my DEX thank you.
10-11-2012
05:18 AM
but let's better see what happens, we r' speculating way to much
10-11-2012
05:41 AM
If xkey hasnt been detected and removed by microsoft by now isnt it safe to say it will be the same for ps3? They also say that when and if microsoft ever updates their dashboard to protect against xkey use that the xkey team simply just puts out an update for the xkey defeating microsofts previous measures taken to fight off xkey. ? am i just retarded?
10-11-2012
05:44 AM
I was waiting for a chance to be a pirate and honest player on ps3 for quite long. Now i can finally buy some games and play those ones that i can't afford.
although still will wait to see if it really works, and maybe there is some more convinient way. Don't like an idea of my console opening.
10-11-2012
05:51 AM
This looks cool, but it also looks like it could be alot of money
10-11-2012
06:00 AM
[MENTION=101611]baargle[/MENTION] out of interest: why not PSX backups? all PS3's read PSX games, why wont they be emulated in this process?
10-11-2012
06:00 AM
modrobert has updated his post:
Oh, and also, someone called maksPRO has posted the following que on eurasia,
10-11-2012
06:01 AM
Another update from [MENTION=9393]modrobert[/MENTION]
FRONT PAGE UPDATED
10-11-2012
06:10 AM
One question for the XKey Team, why and how come an xkey now?? It's been 6 years to the PS3 and 2 years to the 3.55 fiasco.. What makes them sure that it'll work now and stay working??
10-11-2012
06:10 AM
[MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION]
can you remember my words???
10-11-2012
06:20 AM
so I'll have to rerip every game I own?! No thanks, I think I'll stick with DEX.
10-11-2012
06:21 AM
It will be interesting to see how the Xkey team combat any patching.
10-11-2012
06:26 AM
10-11-2012
06:34 AM
[MENTION=224021]DEFAULTDNB[/MENTION]
i can imagine that ps3gen.exe can handle this job
10-11-2012
06:45 AM
10-11-2012
07:00 AM
if they are going to use 1.1 games..that means EVER disc will be 25gb for one game even 50gb for one game. that is going to take up alot of space on HDD...
10-11-2012
07:01 AM
I Must Ask
Can We Make The Games That Kind Of Isos On A PC.We Need Software That Makes Iso And After Completion Deletes Original Game Folder <<< This Kind Of Software We Need Because Many Have Like 300 Games(Includes ME) And If You Do Them One By One It Isnt Good Choice If You Do All Of Them You Will Not Have Space On The EXT HDD. Since Some Dont Have Fast Pc And Many EXT HDD So They Can Transfer Them To The Other Ext HDD Then Make Isos And Do The Rest Of The S.H.I.T<<<<..I Think This Kind Of Software Is The Solution I Hope Someone Makes Software Like This .
Can Someone Please Explain What Is 1:1 Thanks I Very Appreciate It.(Wll This Make Our Games DOUBLE SIZE(If Is That So F*** 3k3y) Or Make Our Games Ripped)
Thanks
10-11-2012
07:15 AM
but on 3.55 cfw homegames and apps could be rebuilt into a ps3game style
if they the hb dev wanted to learn how to . but on 3.55 it would be pointless changing it from psn style to ps3game style.
10-11-2012
07:51 AM
Does nobody remember the headline "dae.bin defeated in 36hours by xkey team" - I think they are the best shot we'd have at keeping this working, unlike other teams who disappear once things get tough.
I thinks it's a great idea, but 1:1 rips are gonna be expensive to store.. Although this ain't my thing, I prefer to mod old games than play new ones.
[MENTION=51782]carldenning[/MENTION] : Aren't PSN games just encrypted/signed differently? They're still coded using the same language. If you have the source code, just compile an elf and decide how you want to encrypt/sign/package it..
10-11-2012
07:58 AM
10-11-2012
08:23 AM
1 to 1? so pirates are gonna have to download 25 GB ven if the game really only a few GB of data or worse if it's just barely over 25, we are gonna have to download 50 GB for one single game? e. Fuk that. Some of us have bandwidth caps. Not to mention a 2 TB external is a must now. It's gonna be expensive to be a pirate.
10-11-2012
08:29 AM
10-11-2012
08:38 AM
10-11-2012
08:43 AM
10-11-2012
08:50 AM
Yeah, it makes no difference. ISO files aren't any bigger than folders containing the files.
I'm just waiting on the confirmation of the different methods to extract the BD Drive Key, if there isn't one that doesn't require 3.55 firmware, I'm out and I'd imagine a lot of other people will be too. The only people that will really buy this are those on firmware higher than 3.55.
I'm also curious about the installation, and how it will look when finished. I wouldn't like having that setup in the picture with my PS3 open collecting dust with a load of stuff hanging out of it.
10-11-2012
08:51 AM
10-11-2012
09:04 AM
i have 2 ps3's ...1 on DEX and 1 on OFW ...if i take my Blu-ray drive out of my OFW ps3 & attach it to my DEX 3.55 will it rip the key...if so i could have the best of both worlds.
10-11-2012
09:07 AM
made a hombrew app into a ps3 style game and it shows up in mm and when i click on the app it boots back to xmb ,like it should do but when i click on the game on app_home/PS3_GAME it gives a error 80010017 which means a signed it wrong .
10-11-2012
09:08 AM
The final product will be virtually invisible, because the PS3 will be closed back up.
10-11-2012
09:10 AM
10-11-2012
09:21 AM
as the key can only be ripped from 3.55 fw (atm) i was just wondering if the key is stored in the blu-ray drive itself ...then plug it into my 3.55 rip the key ....put it back in my OFW ps3 and use the ODD emulator....without the need to update my DEX.
10-11-2012
09:26 AM
10-11-2012
09:28 AM
10-11-2012
09:33 AM
10-11-2012
09:40 AM
From deank:
You can also dump discs to ISO format in multiMAN (since version 02.07.00) when you enable Direct-Disc-Access-Mode (DDAM). It will create the same 1:1 encrypted ISO as what you get in linux or on the PC with blu-ray drive.
10-11-2012
09:42 AM
10-11-2012
09:50 AM
[MENTION=116222]stuck?[/MENTION] : wiiscrubber
10-11-2012
09:55 AM
Aren´t the ISOs always padded when they are encrypted?
Wii ISOs are, Xbox 360 ISOs are.
10-11-2012
10:13 AM
Can Someone Please Explain What Is 1:1 Thanks I Very Appreciate It.(Wll This Make Our Games DOUBLE SIZE(If Is That So F*** 3k3y) Or Make Our Games Ripped)
Thanks
10-11-2012
10:21 AM
1:1 = Entire disc, so ISO's will be either 25GB or 50GB.....
10-11-2012
10:28 AM
10-11-2012
10:31 AM
10-11-2012
10:33 AM
10-11-2012
10:35 AM
10-11-2012
10:36 AM
10-11-2012
10:41 AM
So example uncharted wont be 30gb it will be 40 gb I don't
Mind that and the Lang all will be there I don't mind that too since is only few gb and some games aren't even ripped so the games we have now will be the same size but the games from teams like duplex in future will be like all files no rip at all that isn't so bad if is in this way on Eurasia the guy said about some rip method 3x3y has
10-11-2012
10:44 AM
10-11-2012
10:52 AM
Games arnt that hard to rip as long as you know what you are removing from them. extra languages can be removed aswel as 3d and subtitles for other languages. i have done it with all my games.
10-11-2012
10:56 AM
10-11-2012
11:07 AM
/me is wondering how Sony will react to this!
10-11-2012
11:21 AM
NFL_Madden_2007_USA_BLUERAY_PS3-PARADOX
Unrared ISO size: 7.07 GB
Full_Auto_2_Battlelines_USA_PS3-PARADOX
Unrared ISO size: 3.55 GB
Ridge_Racer_7_NTSC_PS3BD-SCE
Unrared ISO size: 6.95 GB
So it appears, that the PS3 1:1 ISOs are NOT padded and will NOT have the full BD size (25 or 50 GB), which is a great thing!
10-11-2012
11:24 AM
10-11-2012
11:29 AM
Video will be released on Saturday or Monday (source: [MENTION=9393]modrobert[/MENTION] at crunch)
10-11-2012
11:34 AM
This is by far the most comical and stupidest thing I've read a pirate could say (and then comes [MENTION=213490]kristijan1001[/MENTION]).
10-11-2012
11:36 AM
Maybe I missed something in my reading. From what ive read the file just needs to be in ISO format rather than BLXS12345 folders. I didnt see anywhere where the ISO cant be altered. Yes we get 1:1 which makes basic ripping easier if you dont know what you are doing or dont want to take the extra time to rip out what you dont need/want. I didnt read where it requires 1:1 untouched ISOs. I just see bits and pieces of news and A LOT of over-reacting. Ill wait till more details come out before pushing the panic button.
Please correct me if im wrong or missed something in the reading.
10-11-2012
12:08 PM
10-11-2012
12:11 PM
http://www.eurasia.nu/modules.php?op...forum=87#30936
10-11-2012
12:15 PM
Ok games can still be edited tho it is using ISO format and pc side can do all the editing then use cobra ISO format to rebuild the ISO and there ya go. Another thing is this unit seems to redirect the BD drive to the port USB hub n cuz the keydecrypt the drive its fully unlocked. Right now that's how it looks if this is real
10-11-2012
12:16 PM
I don't see why using a program such as PowerISO and deleting unnecessary files wouldn't work unless the system looks for these padding files as a security measurement? Wouldn't be a good security measurement. Time will tell.
************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
EDIT : Sorry an hour ago not two days
10-11-2012
12:22 PM
Nice product.
)
But some people need to be reminded that unlike the xbox/nintendo ODDE devices, HB can still work fine on current and probably on any future ofw. Here is a small reminder why DCEmu Reviews - 27C3 - Chaos Communication Congress 2010 - fail0verflow - FULL VIDEO - YouTube
(unless they plan to revoke all the private keys since 1.00 to 3.55, and by that, upsetting every gamer who owns games that were signed with those private keys
10-11-2012
12:30 PM
I'm pretty sure power ISO won't work except pc side to edit what you need. There is only a 4gb chunk on externals so you need to split the ISO into chunks n cobra version probly best 4 that n yes I own all my games
10-11-2012
12:34 PM
Why is everyone anti-dongle?
10-11-2012
12:37 PM
[MENTION=240269]Isleofdoom[/MENTION] You can use the command prompt to split ISO into chunks
10-11-2012
12:39 PM
10-11-2012
12:46 PM
Check the edited post on eurasia.
10-11-2012
12:46 PM
EDIT : I read the date that the poster registered
10-11-2012
12:47 PM
This would be cool...
Homebrew should be possible (not requiring peek&poke)! hell they can't have revoked the keys pre 355! half of my games wouldn't work otherwise...
But the downside is that you must be in 355 to get the keys... that essentially brings nothing new to the scene... just the abillity for us that are in 355 to update and play without patching and PSN...
IF i mean only if this can be done (in the long term) in a 3k then i will consider it... until then... it's cool and a nice concept but....
10-11-2012
12:48 PM
Has any one even noticed in the photo the usb hub says 3.0 but 3Key talks about it 2.0. like that dont smell fishy. but if all this stuff is true atleast ppl are working hard to keep the scene going. Devs do alot for every1 and y are so many expecting things for free. im not about money but i also work alone n love doing what i do. the greed has brought alot of this on every1. i think its time to work together instead of against one another.
10-11-2012
12:54 PM
10-11-2012
01:03 PM
I think the metdhod could be to use a redirect on our own USB ports its just another method about making money and I'm not against it I do appresiate what devs have done in the past and even now but on its own I'm pretty sure it has its own DRM measures on it n we can learn from it with analyzers that sniff traffic n protocols. There is always counter measures that can be taken for everything
10-11-2012
01:14 PM
Anyhow, good research
10-11-2012
01:32 PM
So if you still have a defective PS3 laying around, try to fix it and you have another consoles to fool around with..
10-11-2012
01:32 PM
10-11-2012
01:44 PM
A pound to a penny the "Illuminati" have had a free working software only version of this for months.
10-11-2012
02:42 PM
10-11-2012
02:51 PM
1:1 implies its a perfect copy. Not a rip, or edited iso.
10-11-2012
03:39 PM
Honestly 1 on 1 copy on external won't work due to 4gb limit size its probly gunna be similar method of ISO as cobra uses but that's just speculation n no.e of us will know till it close to release or they state it
10-11-2012
03:47 PM
[MENTION=240269]Isleofdoom[/MENTION] they do not say the HDD must be in FAT32...
10-11-2012
04:07 PM
10-11-2012
04:13 PM
10-11-2012
04:18 PM
I know its not possible for the PS3 to support NTFS, but would it be possible for the xKey device to allow NTFS drives to connect to it, and then interface with the BD drive?
10-11-2012
04:27 PM
They can use any sort of filesystem on the usb hdd which connects to the XKey device.
Drivers exist to read ntfs, fat, ext3 and so on. Judging from the xbox360 version, it runs linux inside, so yeah.. no problem to support ntfs.
On the 'slower' cpu's they could have used, ntfs is still 'fast' enough in read-only modes to approach real life BD read speeds. I've worked on embedded linux systems, from MIPS to ARM and single core ~400Mhz (at least on MIPS) is more than enough to emulate a BD drive. ARM would probably be little faster but it all depends on the chipset used in the XKey.
10-11-2012
04:41 PM
1 on 1 could also means that it reads multiple ISO files as 1 ISO aswel depending on how they went about this. It has a lot of possibilities but I don't want to speculate cuz none of us realy know what format they use
10-11-2012
04:43 PM
All i want to say is that this device will help me very much.I have 2 ps3 consoles .
1 fat
1 slim
The fat has a broken bluray player but recognises dvds.It is still on 3.41 so i can play all my backups.
Yesterday the inevitable happened.My idiot brother pulled out the dark souls cd from the box and in the process he bent it so much that it cracked... (something inside my soul did also)
I have made a backup ,thank god, and with this device i can also fix my old ps3 and use my backup of dark souls again.
If i understood well then this will be possible,right?
10-11-2012
04:45 PM
10-11-2012
04:47 PM
Someone Develop a way to get the Drive key with software on the Current OFW Now... Do it....
There could be a way using Flash Exploits and java exploits.
With this we might be able to Us homebrew that is burned on BD Disks too :D
10-11-2012
04:48 PM
10-11-2012
04:52 PM
same team, same products 3key will probably works as xkey does.
the product is an disc drive EMULATOR so you don't care about hard drive because he's plug to XKEY/3KEY not in consoles.
edit : image added.
10-11-2012
04:53 PM
Whatever happened to the so-called "4.21 CFW RED POWER" didn't it got taken down by $ony or something? lol, they got screwed.
If they had shared the files this wouldn't have gotten to that point. Still, it would only be usable for 3.55 FW users.
10-11-2012
05:14 PM
Yea anything is possible like I just said but you also have to member this isn't the xbox360 we are talking about its a ps3 totally different. Sure its same company but dnt mean its gunna act the same way as it is on Xbox system
10-11-2012
05:16 PM
I Think there are two Method for using 3K3Y on New Consoles(CECH30XXX)
1-unplug BD Drive from New Consoles(CECH30XXX) and plug on a Console That is CFW 3.55 and Then Extract BD drive Keys then unplug again and Plug on New Consoles(CECH30XXX)* again and ........
2-wait for CFW 4.21 that [MENTION=18138]garyopa[/MENTION] Confirmed 100% in TBCrunch and wait again until 3K3Y Team Upgrade Their Programs For Extract BD Keys From CFW 4.21
10-11-2012
05:18 PM
it will be the same.
you need to :
- connect xkey/3key to motherboard and disc drive
- have the disc drive key
- connect hard drive to usb device from packaging
both work the same way, you can also check xkey package and the pics of 3key to see this is the same and both got the same remote ...
i'm reseller/installer for xkey and glitch, this 3key got too many common points to be a diffrent product and work with differents ways
10-11-2012
05:19 PM
10-11-2012
05:35 PM
And again with the name calling. This is exactly y the scene is falling apart. I will not be releasing my data on findings I have found on my own n good luck devs keep up the good work.
10-11-2012
05:37 PM
10-11-2012
06:07 PM
it's clear you dont know how xkey works on xbox360 and you didn't understand this topic, all updates of the topic and how 3key will work for ps3 (same way as xket btw ...)
for exemple we can say it's a "daemon tool" with hardware solution for consoles.
you can mount/unmount virtual games (iso) on a virtual disc drive (xkey/3key) and play with the game on every firmwares you want using external hard disc to stock games (unless sony fix it and i doubt it) BUT it works ONLY if you got the disc drive key to EMULATE the physical disc drive of the consoles (360/ps3) and right now we can only get this key from 3.55 firmware but the team is working, as they said, on a solution to dump it from other firmwares.
do you understand now ?
no offence but honestly this is why i really know you didn't ever find something to "help the scene" or to "help devs" to jailbreak ps3 in any firmwares.
how someone who can't understand emulation and virtual disc drive can find a way to jailbreak something ?
10-11-2012
06:12 PM
So 3key will only work with ISO format? You have to redump every game now??
10-11-2012
06:14 PM
10-11-2012
06:16 PM
1- On CECH-2500 and higher models, the BD controller is on the motherboard itself, it's not a separate board, you can't just unplug it. And even if you could, I doubt a 3.55 PS3 could communicate with the BD drive to get the key if it doesn't already have it, though I could be wrong.
2- CFW 4.21 won't work on non-downgradable consoles, because it uses the 3.55 "exploit" that was patched in consoles that were shipped with 3.60+. For those consoles you'll need a completely new exploit.
10-11-2012
06:55 PM
[MENTION=97505]Fre[/MENTION]nchy... so u must without a shadow of a doubt have an external hdd/s to load isos off of? Does this optical drvie emu allow the ripping of legit discs (and/or backups) to the hdds? I wish the ps3 had the ability to install games to the hdd like the xbox 360 does....
10-11-2012
07:18 PM
10-11-2012
07:20 PM
listen people when this is released you can bet that every "scene release group" will get on dumping the games in a 1:1 iso format.
10-11-2012
07:46 PM
Some people say it will be, but there is no confirmed source.
Common sense would suggest that a 1:1 copy is only needed if there is some sort of CRC/MD5 check done by the PS3 on the game disk/files. If not, 1:1 shouldn't be needed.
10-11-2012
08:14 PM
About searching alternative ways for extracting the drive key, can someone explain what does exactly happen when you remarry a drive?
In a hypothetical situation where we have ps3 A on cfw 3.55 and ps3 B on 4.25 ofw, if we take the drive from B and remarry it to A would B still accept the drive without remarrying it(lol seems like a soap opera story)?
10-11-2012
10:19 PM
I'm thinking from the current KeyExtraction limitations, there still may be Light
Seems to me that Updating to OFW loosing Homebrew is quite sad thing, maybe a DEX w/ PSKey on Higher FW would be ideal once the BluRay Key is obtained, or maybe DEX users that have already updated could benefit from Current Extraction methods with some minor tweaks.
But loosing Homebrew such as mM features and Showtime most importantly is unacceptable.
Next.
We know you elitists are out there somewhere, something can be done about these Teams of BS
Product seems legit, though, if they have anythign to do w/ x360Key who I knows works w/ Max a lot, we could at least have a decent product thats not riddled w/ reDRM and unnecessary Hardware.
Maybe c4 is behind some of it, but considering there progress on the current 360 projects I doubt this.
Someone will step in soon enough
theJ3STeR:o)
10-12-2012
03:16 AM
This looks like great news: there seems to be less of a cat-and-mouse firmware update chase in the XBox360 scene where similar drive-based solutions have been used.
Eurasia has been around for ages, but can any Admin/Mod here at PS3Hax vouch for this modrobert guy to ensure this is not yet another fake?
10-12-2012
03:30 AM
His information has also been backed up by garyOPA, who has contact with these device makers and their resellers and has done for many years.
10-12-2012
03:41 AM
http://www.ps3hax.net/showpost.php?p...&postcount=241
10-12-2012
03:51 AM
You are 100% wrong, it was confirmed to [MENTION=9393]modrobert[/MENTION] by the Xkey team that the games will indeed be 1:1.
10-12-2012
05:06 AM
So this is like a replacement for TB, that requires no extra firmware and/or eboot patches?
10-12-2012
05:26 AM
TB was reDRM. In other words, software that required an unnecessary hardware "key."
For ODE hardware is needed, no other way for it to function.
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10-12-2012
10:29 AM
I read this as simply that it makes it easier to dump the games in general, especially for the scene releasers. Its very possible we can get the best of both worlds in regards to easier ripping of games (be it from your own purchased discs or "pirate" release groups) AND/OR ISOs with stripped data to make the file sizes a little smaller. We really dont know without proper clarification from either modrobert, or the xkey team themselves.
10-12-2012
10:49 AM
With a 1:1 dump, the disc encryption is still present.
If you take a current dump, this encryption is not present as it has been removed beforehand.
For all intensive purposes, you will not be able to rebuild current dumps to be compatible unless the disc encryption check is removed by the device.
From what I have read, this does not seem to be the case here so a NEW 1:1 dump will be needed to ensure the PS3 recognises it as a vaild "disc".
A 1:1 dump does NOT mean you will have 50GB ISO files, it just means that all contents of the ISO are still intact and encrypted.
10-12-2012
11:02 AM
Seems like on the ps3devwiki, the devs are reversing the bd drive successively(some parts), also you guys are saying that this is not possible without this hardware, but i think that's not true, im not an expert, i just have this feeling.
10-12-2012
11:15 AM
10-12-2012
11:25 AM
This is really confusing when people use the improper initials of a word/name.
"Ray" isn't in capital letter, it isn't a name, it's part of Blu-ray.
[MENTION=7773]GregoryRasputin[/MENTION] makes the same mistake.
10-12-2012
11:33 AM
Does it matter?????
Everyone will still know what they mean whether they say BD/BR.
10-12-2012
11:36 AM
Tom8toes - Tomatoes
10-12-2012
11:38 AM
I really don't give a flying f*ck what way it is spelt, as long as it doesnt have an "e".
As far as the "BR" everyone knows that BR = bLU-rAY, in fact from now on, just for you, that is the way im going to spell it....
10-12-2012
11:39 AM
10-12-2012
11:41 AM
Even Sony spell it as BUL-RAY.
10-12-2012
12:07 PM
10-12-2012
01:15 PM
I think we should also keep an eye on 3k3y.com.
When you a whois on the domain you will see it was created October 10, 2012.
Would also makes sense since the other website is xk3y.com
10-12-2012
01:18 PM
there, bluray drive key, no mistake now....
who needs initials anyway?
10-12-2012
03:58 PM
[MENTION=240661]fanboysarestupid[/MENTION] is a person id love to ban myself [MENTION=7773]GregoryRasputin[/MENTION] all he does is "think" he knows it all yet hes only been here since august of 2012 lol iv been around since 07 joined in 08 so id say long time members who can be trusted need a suspend button on people that like to start arguements *cough [MENTION=240661]fanboysarestupid[/MENTION] *cough
10-12-2012
04:01 PM
You could get yourself a suspend button if moderation places come up again.
10-12-2012
04:05 PM
10-12-2012
04:05 PM
10-12-2012
05:02 PM
Source:
http://www.ps3devwiki.com/wiki/Talk:...e_Package_(PUP)
http://pastebin.com/XhcjfAjw
10-12-2012
05:08 PM
10-12-2012
05:11 PM
10-12-2012
05:33 PM
Weird.
10-12-2012
10:35 PM
Exactly what I said. TB was charging money for a product that was not needed in the first place. Their CFW had everything required to run their patched games, the dongle was never needed. They locked up the CFW to not run if the dongle was not inserted. A key.
TB also had stolen work in its CFW.
ODE requires hardware that you need to buy, TB never did, they just lied to customers.
10-12-2012
11:23 PM
10-13-2012
01:32 AM
10-13-2012
05:47 AM
10-13-2012
10:41 AM
Well after talking to someone in IRC, I was explained to in detail how the PS3 BD drive handles the unique per console BD key. At first I was thinking 360, but dumping the key doesn't appear to be that easy. If the information I got was correct (and I have no reason at all to doubt the source) then getting the key outside of 3.55 (like current OFW) may not be possible contrary to my preliminary thoughts.
If there is no possible way to get the key from firmwares higher than 3.55 then yes I will have to agree with many others that this device could be pointless and retract many of my current posts in this thread.
Think about it for a minute. You either need to be on 3.55 or downgrade to 3.55. Sure you can downgrade, grab the key, upgrade back to OFW and use your ODDE on OFW, but if what I said before about Sony updating the drive firmware comes true, then not only is your ODDE a paperweight, but you have also lost your MFW unless you choose to downgrade back again.
IMO if a method to get the BD key isn't found that allows retrieval of the BD key on firmwares later than 3.55, then we are all better off sticking with our MFW and DEX machines. It sucks to say but this device may be dead before it comes out unless people are that hellbent on OFW and backups which can always be stopped.
360 ODDEs are in the $100 price range, a progskeet is about $60, so requiring both would put you up to $160 with no guarantee everything will keep working. Sorry, but I refuse to take a $100 gamble but that is me personally
Of course this is all just a recap of what many other people have already said. I figured I would post anyway after the inforamtion I received. I like the PS devs you can ask a question to, and actually get a smart and informative answer that doesn't try to steer you away from the truth
10-13-2012
10:53 AM
Id put $50 on it that there is already a method to get the BD key from higher FWs,
scrap that.. if its not announced in the next say... 3 weeks. I'll leave here and never return (big yay for lots of people)
10-13-2012
11:06 AM
Told ya all, a couple of days ago..... "Illuminate" already got the sh1t !!!!!!!
edit: [MENTION=179936]GraVoX959[/MENTION] don't leave, who else am I gonna rip the sh1t out off
10-13-2012
11:21 AM
[MENTION=208137]Simonbuck[/MENTION], I'll give you my email or you can come on skype and point out my flaws for me if you like :D
It will go well with my wife doing it and then you doing it in my "zone out of reality" place
10-13-2012
11:31 AM
Do you mean here ?????
In the Chocolate starfish ?
10-13-2012
11:42 AM
I hate to say this but I agree with [MENTION=179936]GraVoX959[/MENTION], Let's face facts. They are not going to put in all this money into R&D for this device for what at the most 10,000 people that still have 3.55. With that lets say 3,000 people buy this, It doesn't make financial sense.Someone has the master key, And they are going to milk every last drop of money out of this scene they can before it gets leaked. Is an ODD a good idea yes and no, This is only for the pirates who can not live with out PSN. For the homebrew community this tool is pointless. You can in theory rebuild homebrew for loading as an ISO, But they why do all the games need re-ripped? Someone has said because of the encryption then why doesn't it need to be there with homebrew. Hax once again when this comes out will see a flood of new people asking why they can't use this. Like the TB scene before it, It will create this new group who will spam forums and talk **** about people who don't use it. And once a free solution comes out will complain again they got ripped off, People who give these people money are the very reason this scene can not have nice things.
10-13-2012
11:44 AM
[MENTION=3010]BobbyBlunt[/MENTION] even if sony updates the bd drive the bdkey will never change just like the xbox 360 dvdkey all and the 3key dev have to do is update their bd cfw and u can use ur old key to sign the it microsoft tried that method against xkey and it fail (to this date xkey still work for xbox 360 despite a drive update)
unlike the ps3 fw the bddrive fw has only one unique key that cannot be change or revoke just like the xbox system
the xkey for xbox also has a pass through more u can switch from back up mode to normal mode like dual firmware so even if they update the bd drive firmware u still have a drive cfw that can play old games but not new games needing the new dvd fw thats how xkey for xbox work but im not sure if and how they will incorporate that features to 3key
10-13-2012
11:45 AM
Are you drunk on a Sunday afternoon ????????
10-13-2012
11:48 AM
[MENTION=208137]Simonbuck[/MENTION] Suffering from lack of sleep, But why do ask?
10-13-2012
11:52 AM
10-13-2012
12:18 PM
I can't wait for this device to be RE'd and open-sourced
The hacker in me likes stuff like this (hardware, interacting with other hardware) but I'm not interested in a drop-in solution; I want something that I have to read and learn and build myself. That's what keeps me coming back.
10-13-2012
12:40 PM
Isn't there already a way through Linux? ^^
I'm very sure about it
10-13-2012
12:40 PM
10-13-2012
01:12 PM
they have finally released the video for 3k3y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...v=D3ENGkZYy18#!
10-13-2012
01:36 PM
sadly we didn't see how they load the game with 3key.
10-13-2012
01:38 PM
Guys all new information is on this thread
3K3Y Revelations! - More Information And Video
10-13-2012
03:05 PM
[MENTION=3010]BobbyBlunt[/MENTION] ah yes i was confusing the dae.bin ap2.6 updates with the spring drive update but my point remains the same if u have ur drive key from from kmew 3.55 the when sony update the drive fw the 3key people can just reverse engineer it and u can use ur old dump key to sign it a new drive cfw no problem and if they can't well u can still play ur old back up games and play all legit games new or old on pass through mode and u will always have psn assuming this is safe for psn the only downside is no homebrew( a sacrifice i can personally make but i respect the opinions of those who cannot make that sacrifice)
so what is the prob this is essential the c4eva method except the cfw is on the 3key and not the drive itself u can update the drive and still have cfw on it using the 3key if a drive update didn't stop c4eva how can it stop xkey or 3key
10-13-2012
03:15 PM
10-13-2012
03:46 PM
i guess the difference between u and me is i'm too wishful and ur too pessimistic about 3key it may turn out to be the greatest thing since slice bread or the worst thing since hitler but i guess will find out soon enough
10-13-2012
11:49 PM
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10-14-2012
12:34 AM
[MENTION=200937]Cheesethief[/MENTION] why do i even bother they cannot reject the bd key because there is only one unique per console bd key if the reject it no ps3 game will work period the bd key is like the ps3 per console root key
and btw what anime is that and what episode is it below ur comment
10-14-2012
03:17 AM
10-14-2012
03:26 AM
As per your last post about the BD drive key.... THANK WHATEVER HIGHER POWER SOME PEOPLE UNDERSTAND how this key thing works. You are right. Sony cannot change your key. It is the same key that will be on your PS3 until the end of time. Too many people confuse the drive key with the "keyz" that have come to be well known in this community. Not the same type of key people.
10-14-2012
11:57 PM
People loved to say that Sony was screwed and the PS3 was hacked forever when Failoverflow came along and 3.55 CFW appeared, little did we all know that a simple change of boot order would change the entire playing field.
The signature is from Hellsing Ultimate (OVA series, not sure what exact episode but I think either 2 or 3).
10-15-2012
10:37 AM
10-15-2012
10:38 AM
2, ODDE cant be done without buying hardware.
.. want more?
10-15-2012
10:41 AM
Is you stoopid, u iz stoopids arnt u ?
True Blue = reDRM the f*cking c*nt of a thing was NEVER, i repeat NEVER needed, brain dead bastards bought it and funded the scumbag TB devs, when the same dumbf*cks could have had it free the whole damn time.
3K3Y is a necessary hardware, the same thing cannot be done without hardware, to do it without hardware is not possible.
Understandz nowz ????
10-15-2012
03:26 PM
10-15-2012
03:30 PM
10-15-2012
03:36 PM
10-15-2012
03:53 PM
10-15-2012
10:36 PM
1. Stolen work.
2. Unnecessary, the dongle is never needed, game loading was done on the firmware side.
3. Unknown support. Games come out often, but then randomly, TB shuts up and stays silent for months on end.
With an ODE you pay for:
1. Needed hardware. Without this hardware, you would not be able to run backups this way.
2. This hardware comes with Linux-based firmware/software which will probably be kept up to date to support all games Sony puts out. And this software is researched and made to work by this team, not stolen work. ODE game loading is not exactly documented on any PS3 hacking wiki.
If you still do not understand, then you sir truly are a lost cause.
10-15-2012
11:00 PM
10-16-2012
12:04 AM
Sony may start banning. That is always a possibility, but they can not stop you from being able to take system updates. You still have the option to update with a USB drive, and I could see the legal issues with them blocking the system from accepting updates which would cause issues with software playback. You agreed to a PSN ToS, I dont think you signed a ToS when you purchased your system
10-16-2012
01:14 PM
So as I see it, I won't suffer major drawbacks.
10-16-2012
03:05 PM
10-16-2012
06:59 PM
10-16-2012
07:11 PM
10-16-2012
08:34 PM
Also non patched original eboots, working game updates, all games available (no need to wait for a paradoxal paradox release) and so on ...
10-16-2012
08:36 PM
10-17-2012
02:03 PM
Ok, if that is so then now I may take a liking to this thing. So how can this thing be used then?
10-17-2012
02:16 PM
Or you could read the manual
10-17-2012
02:26 PM
10-17-2012
02:28 PM
**** yeah, I'm all over this!
10-18-2012
10:31 AM
The only thing that makes me skeptical is the fact that you need to perform some physical work to use this thing. Those kind of things do more often than not carry a risk. Yeah it says no soldering, but opening the console and leaving it open to work, can cause any outside element to interfere with the console and can leave some mess.
10-18-2012
10:44 AM
10-18-2012
10:56 AM
At this point Id be willing to bet that video isn't showing the final product......
10-19-2012
10:57 AM
12-05-2012
05:20 PM
Certainly worth buying if you don't need cfw to retreive the key from the drive. i would like to install cfw but i'm one of the gamers that have a undowngradeble ps3 slim. so this thing would rock if you don't need cfw before you can use it.
12-06-2012
07:22 AM
hi, i installed showtime 4.0 and i tried to run the avatar movie 3d, from blu-ray disc. When i enter in showtime i go on BluRay Drive -> BDMV -> META -> DL -> and i tried to lunch avatar_metadata640 i get this error:
unable to open resource
file:///dev_bdmv/BDMV/META/avatar_metadata640.jpg
unable to open file: unable to probe file: libav error -1
my question is: how can i run a 3d blu-ray disk using ps3? thank you
12-06-2012
07:49 AM
Interesting I doubt I would buy one. I want homebrew alot more than just ps3 games.
(slightly off topic: apparently work has started on a WiiU ODE too, I'll believe it when I see it)
12-06-2012
01:56 PM
12-06-2012
03:20 PM
12-06-2012
03:55 PM
12-09-2012
06:01 PM
thanks for your answer
12-10-2012
03:52 AM
12-12-2012
03:45 AM
12-12-2012
03:52 AM
Search for 4.21 REBUG REX, or Rogero 4.30 v2.03 CFW, or ERMAC....
12-12-2012
09:45 AM
Has there been any more news about this product? Isn't the date in the video today?
12-12-2012
12:22 PM
yeah looks like they're not going to release it today. was hoping they would release it so maybe i could get it b4 christmas with it coming from china and all.
12-13-2012
12:46 PM
so i decided to do some searching to see when the 3k3y was going to be released and I found this site. http://3k3y.co.uk/ . I'm not sure if it's the same as 3k3y.com but they have a thing for pre-order. i think that sites a fake but if its not i don't think i'm going to buy it for almost $170. i'll stick with my cfw untill the price drops or some1 else makes one cuz i can go buy a used ps3 for that much and have ofw
12-13-2012
12:57 PM
They are still making it...it didnt leave the shop yet..
12-13-2012
01:47 PM
The price will most likely be around the same price as there xkey $100.
12-14-2012
01:01 AM
i figured it was a fake site but they should update their official site to keep people updated a little better. so are they building up stock for legendsky or are they still developing it to make it more economical/cheaper? just trying to figure out when they are actually going to release it.
12-15-2012
09:17 AM
[Update 4] PS3 Blu Ray ODD Emulator In The Works - Picture of 3key
12-15-2012
09:47 AM
After the postponement Is there any news about the release date
12-15-2012
11:06 AM
they say it need 3.55 cfw for now to drump the drive key!but what if i buy new ps3 attach the drive of the new ps3 to my old slim ps3 (banned)3.55 cfw and try to exctract the key?it must work!?i dont think the drive has anything to do with the firmware of the ps3?hope its unique key like the xbox and cannot be change with update!
12-15-2012
11:08 AM
12-15-2012
02:23 PM
you would have to find a way to remarry the new drive to the old ps3 to get that to work. just wait till its released and i'm sure there will be alot of stuff popping up about this. i seen ona different forum its being pushed back to jan 2013
12-15-2012
03:31 PM
Wonder if Cobra ODDE would be an exact copy ...
12-20-2012
07:38 PM
Any news on this ?
12-21-2012
11:09 AM
Last email I received was 4-5 days ago from Ozmodchips, they stated the 3k3y will release in Jan 2013 and will work with all OFW versions! Though 3k and 4k models were not mentioned.
Ripping would be possible but not via the PS3 due to slow BD ripping speeds, that there will be an additional piece of hardware to hook the PS3's BD with your PC for ripping which supposedly would make the transfer of data faster. No idea how.
I'm not saying this of myself, but what the email stated.
12-21-2012
11:49 PM
is there a way to extract the drive key they use already?
12-22-2012
12:46 AM
You need to be on CFW to extract the drive key. Then you can update to any OFW and it'll still work.
12-22-2012
01:03 AM
i already know that. i was wanting to know if the method has been released to extract it, so i can go ahead and extract it.
12-22-2012
01:35 AM
Not publicly. Though you can use a lv2 self or make a homebrew app to dump the drive eeprom.
12-22-2012
03:20 AM
12-22-2012
01:19 PM
12-29-2012
09:36 AM
Latest 3k3y news.
Status update from Team Xkey (3k3y guys) facebook page:
According to Ozmodchips:
01-03-2013
11:52 AM
Here's the latest.
3k3y Teaser 1 - YouTube
3k3y Teaser 2 - YouTube
01-03-2013
11:57 AM
[MENTION=162793]Sexbox[/MENTION] both those videos were already posted a few hours ago
01-03-2013
11:58 AM
Sorry about that then...