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    Yes, media is twisting facts and contacting sources that are kinda mediocre (lame) in terms of explaining to the average reader = What happened, what will happen and many other *details* that gets copy/pasted all over the place.
    Thing is if this is true maybe Sony due to the recent events with Lv0-Gate (bootldr) will push the release date of PS4 (AKA Orbis).
    Meanwhile on Microsoft side with Xbox720 they maybe exploring a subscription based pricing.

     

    The PS3 got hacked recently, as we reported here. The system’s Lv0 keys were leaked apparently by a Chinese hacking team. Sony had a terrible time since 2010 after Geohot got his hands on the system and managed to compromise it. Sony bounced back but it wasn’t enough, it was a tough battle against a bunch of hacker groups and an entire third-party team looking to DDOS your network.

    Sony fought back and some may say they won and managed to keep the PS3 secure, but it looks like the system is hacked again. And this time it allows hackers to do anything they want if they’re on firmware 3.6.

    This could, of course, force Sony to release the PS4 sooner (according to inentertainment)  if the software sales fall down below desired levels. Not a big deal though, since I think it’s coming next year anyway because no way Sony and Microsoft will give Nintendo another year in the market.

    We have more reports coming in that Microsoft may be exploring a subscription based pricing for the Xbox 720. It is sort of a subsidized pricing scheme that we saw earlier with the Xbox 360 $99 model.

    This is what the Easternmorningherald reports:

    As mentioned, this subsidized pricing scheme is still in its early stages but it seems to be getting good response in some sectors; particularly the ones who would prefer saving cash upfront when it comes to getting their consoles.

     

    [Source] = Gamingbolt

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  • 59 Comments

    1. TheWhiteTyger
      10-29-2012
      08:16 PM
      1

      Eh you know news magazines always over-dramatize eveything just so they can get more readers. It's a terrible ploy to try to win over Internet-based forums and news readings from the Web.

      Personally, I say who cares? If the PS3's "downsizing" is any indication (loss of backwards compatibility, loss of memory card slots, loss of 2 USB ports, and loss of OtherOS) then what makes anyone think Orbis will be much better? You can't add features to a game system if the company is so scared of having its system compromised as features are added in.

      It will be a stripped down, water diluted version of the PS3 with a little more power under the hood so they can say "This is better!". I say as I've heard many times before, Bollocks!

    2. hellsing9
      10-29-2012
      08:17 PM
      2

      Originally Posted by TheWhiteTyger
      Eh you know news magazines always over-dramatize eveything just so they can get more readers. It's a terrible ploy to try to win over Internet-based forums and news readings from the Web.

      Personally, I say who cares? If the PS3's "downsizing" is any indication (loss of backwards compatibility, loss of memory card slots, loss of 2 USB ports, and loss of OtherOS) then what makes anyone think Orbis will be much better? You can't add features to a game system if the company is so scared of having its system compromised as features are added in.

      It will be a stripped down, water diluted version of the PS3 with a little more power under the hood so they can say "This is better!". I say as I've heard many times before, Bollocks!
      They will remove everything not so *Vital* to go with the flow with Gaikai.
      Sony is predictable..on Microsoft side..i don't know.

    3. alienkid
      10-29-2012
      08:21 PM
      3

      Don't forget them taking away the extra HDMI port on the PS3 before it even hit the shelves.

      I expect Sony to rush out Orbis with the turn of events. PS3 will be the last console I'll buy. PC Gaming for me. I wish PC gaming had a racing franchise on the same level as Forza or GT5.

    4. TheWhiteTyger
      10-29-2012
      08:21 PM
      4

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      They will remove everything not so *Vital* to go with the flow with Gaikai.
      Sony is predictable..on Microsoft side..i don't know.
      Sony is predictable in that respect I agree with you [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION].

      BTW, Tits or GTFO. (LOL You know someone had to! I expected it to have been said already but since no one else has stepped up...)

    5. fanboysarestupid
      10-29-2012
      08:25 PM
      5

      SERIOUSLY WHY ARE PEOPLE BEING SO GOD DAMN EXAGGERATED ABOUT PS3 GETTING HACKED?

      YOU DON'T SEE MICROSOFT OR NINTENDO GETTING ALL "OH MY THEY HACKED MY CONSOLE"


      FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, 360 AND WII WERE HACKED AGES AGO AND THEY'RE DOING GREAT.

      CALM THE F�CK DOWN!

      /CAPS OFF

    6. hellsing9
      10-29-2012
      08:28 PM
      6

      Yeah next time they will remove even the controllers...well there goes $ony

    7. fanboysarestupid
      10-29-2012
      08:31 PM
      7

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      Yeah next time they will remove even the controllers...well there goes $ony
      Play with mouse and keyboard? Cool. ^_^

    8. hellsing9
      10-29-2012
      08:33 PM
      8

      Originally Posted by fanboysarestupid
      Play with mouse and keyboard? Cool. ^_^
      You don't remember OCZ NIA

      OCZ Actuator - Play Video Games With Your Mind - YouTube



      Maybe this is the future..? xD

    9. HiTmAn_187--
      10-29-2012
      08:39 PM
      9

    10. FaNtAsMiC
      10-29-2012
      08:39 PM
      10

      if you see carefully the strategy, you will see which one works better. Microsoft "allows" (see the quotes) to get Xbox hacked, but keep the consoles hacked out Xbox Live. My way to think is.. "ok you can have your console hacked, but if you want to play online you must be legal". Sony.. well, we all know Sony�s strategy...

      What i'm trying to say is... one strategy brought more buyers than the other. Guess which one :P

    11. hellsing9
      10-29-2012
      08:42 PM
      11

      Originally Posted by FaNtAsMiC
      if you see carefully the strategy, you will see which one works better. Microsoft "allows" (see the quotes) to get Xbox hacked, but keep the consoles hacked out Xbox Live. My way to think is.. "ok you can have your console hacked, but if you want to play online you must be legal". Sony.. well, we all know Sony�s strategy...

      What i'm trying to say is... one strategy brought more buyers than the other. Guess which one :P
      Pure marketing, tough i don't blame them.
      If $ony fails with PS4 we are going to play with our imagination at this rate.

    12. FaNtAsMiC
      10-29-2012
      08:48 PM
      12

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      Pure marketing, tough i don't blame them.
      If $ony fails with PS4 we are going to play with our imagination at this rate.
      Well i don't know about that, "Sorny" is like Apple, they both have fanboys which will purchase every piece of Sh*t they release, and they will defend with their life if necessary

    13. longhornx
      10-29-2012
      08:52 PM
      13

      I have a ps3, don't need a ps4. the news should be...after the recent ps3 hack (yeah, it happened again ) sony consider to push the release of lv0.2 keys for everyone who's stuck it that lame 3k/4k models

      thats what I would call news, here in scene

    14. Isleofdoom
      10-29-2012
      08:52 PM
      14

      Talk about smart releasing now cuz of all the hacks just shows that the new models are obviously close to bein hacked.

    15. longhornx
      10-29-2012
      08:54 PM
      15

      Originally Posted by FaNtAsMiC
      if you see carefully the strategy, you will see which one works better. Microsoft "allows" (see the quotes) to get Xbox hacked, but keep the consoles hacked out Xbox Live. My way to think is.. "ok you can have your console hacked, but if you want to play online you must be legal". Sony.. well, we all know Sony�s strategy...

      What i'm trying to say is... one strategy brought more buyers than the other. Guess which one :P
      strategy? don't buy a PSvita, let sony burn in hell !!
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Originally Posted by Isleofdoom
      Talk about smart releasing now cuz of all the hacks just shows that the new models are obviously close to bein hacked.
      of course, sony used the same hardware in those models, and now you just need to do the same to got lv0.2 keys (I think they are not such idiots...)

    16. fanboysarestupid
      10-29-2012
      09:00 PM
      16

      That thing playing with the mind and eyes closed looks pretty weird, maybe it's possible in the future.

      Anyway, is $ony honestly that worried about this? It's just hard to believe they actually care about this.

      Hell, like said before 3.56+ FW can't hack their PS3s (unless downgraded) and PS3 Slim model 3000 and 4000 have no way at all. Just take some weed and chill.

    17. Cheesethief
      10-29-2012
      09:19 PM
      17

      Originally Posted by longhornx
      strategy? don't buy a PSvita, let sony burn in hell !!
      I am not about limit myself just because a company conducts itself like an ass. If I did that, I would have no tech gizmos whatsoever.

      A company is a company, they will always be looking at their bottom line, and trying to stop those who endanger that bottom line.

    18. franzke
      10-29-2012
      10:12 PM
      18

      bullsht i havent even seen a ps4 test system im happy with my cfw enabled ps3 for now and they just said they will support the ps3 till 2015... and just because of the hack they will will rush the ps4??lol the news is so stupid.. if hacks are really a big deal to them the last thing they want to do is rush the ps4 or it will get hacked earlier than the ps3... the hack will never do any harm on the ps3 trust me i have play pirated 360 games since 2006 microsoft didnt care

    19. thiagoakhe
      10-29-2012
      10:13 PM
      19

      Originally Posted by fanboysarestupid
      That thing playing with the mind and eyes closed looks pretty weird, maybe it's possible in the future.

      Anyway, is $ony honestly that worried about this? It's just hard to believe they actually care about this.

      Hell, like said before 3.56+ FW can't hack their PS3s (unless downgraded) and PS3 Slim model 3000 and 4000 have no way at all. Just take some weed and chill.
      Not even downgrading =( but i'm very relaxed about it.

    20. franzke
      10-29-2012
      10:14 PM
      20

      and at $99 xbox is still a rip off you will still gonna pay for xbox live gold for $15 a month its not like their gonna really sell the xbox 360 for that cheap theirs still a catch

    21. longhornx
      10-29-2012
      10:29 PM
      21

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      I am not about limit myself just because a company conducts itself like an ass. If I did that, I would have no tech gizmos whatsoever.

      A company is a company, they will always be looking at their bottom line, and trying to stop those who endanger that bottom line.
      limit myself by not buying something overpriced? and is not just overpriced, is also a ****ty thing, since we cannot transfer songs/videos without update it, thats the limit about forcing someone to do what they wont, without caring about with the customer.

      I prefer spend "this money" in a nexus 7, or something better...probably in ps4, you cannot turn on the system if a new update is detected (its only thing they forgot to do, to force a update...)

    22. hellsing9
      10-29-2012
      10:32 PM
      22

      Long story short...and quick question? when you think PS4 will be announced/released?.
      /me thinks = Late 2013.

    23. Cheesethief
      10-29-2012
      11:12 PM
      23

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      Long story short...and quick question? when you think PS4 will be announced/released?.
      /me thinks = Late 2013.
      It has to show up at E3 first. The soonest would probably be Q4 2013. Same goes for Microsoft.

      Originally Posted by longhornx
      limit myself by not buying something overpriced? and is not just overpriced, is also a ****ty thing, since we cannot transfer songs/videos without update it, thats the limit about forcing someone to do what they wont, without caring about with the customer.

      I prefer spend "this money" in a nexus 7, or something better...probably in ps4, you cannot turn on the system if a new update is detected (its only thing they forgot to do, to force a update...)
      Yes, you are limiting yourself. You are limiting what games you will be able to play. The Nexus 7 is nice and all, it's big brother Nexus 10 even better, but neither will have a good game line up, other than some crappy mobile ones. Nor will it get the block buster franchises that Sony owns.

      I am all for hacking, but we have to remember that consoles are not supposed to replace your pc. Gaming consoles have only one main purpose and that is to play games. Everything else is secondary.

    24. go-kun
      10-30-2012
      12:02 AM
      24

      I am all for hacking, but we have to remember that consoles are not supposed to replace your pc. Gaming consoles have only one main purpose and that is to play games. Everything else is secondary.
      For me the problem lies in the fact that, should I choose not to update firmware I can't even do that. I can't play movies, I can't play games, I can't use any of the core functions I paid for. Let's take bluray playback on the ps3 as an example. If, for whatever reason, I choose not to update firmware then at a certain point new bluray movies will no longer work on it. It demands you update your firmware to get new required keys or some such silliness. Now I take the same bluray and put it in my 4-5year old(never updated) Sony bluray player and it works fine. So, not only is it a forced update but yet another example of big brother telling me what to do, how to use my console, how to live my life and generally trying to force me into doing things their way. Well, perhaps I'm being a drama queen here, but I object to that. It's a matter of personal liberty.
      I can accept that I lose some functionality should I choose not to update...things like added features or the ability to use online play. But losing the core features of the system, turning it into a very expensive brick, just isn't acceptable to me. I can almost hear them screaming from behind the screen...CONFORM!!! CONSUME!!! CONFORM!!! CONSUME!!!
      It's sad that we should HAVE to hack our systems just to maintain features we like, experiment with our systems, or get functionality back.
      So where are we left when we can't even play the games the system was meant for?

    25. GraVoX959
      10-30-2012
      12:10 AM
      25

      Its always been and always will be November 2013..
      Stupid magazine is stupid

    26. TheWhiteTyger
      10-30-2012
      12:11 AM
      26

      [MENTION=37550]go-kun[/MENTION] Even if it sounds like a drama-filled rant(?), I agree with 100% of what you said. If they force you to update to continue to use standard accessories such as BD Player, then what else is left but TO hack it?

    27. Anthony817
      10-30-2012
      12:40 AM
      27

      Originally Posted by alienkid
      Don't forget them taking away the extra HDMI port on the PS3 before it even hit the shelves.

      I expect Sony to rush out Orbis with the turn of events. PS3 will be the last console I'll buy. PC Gaming for me. I wish PC gaming had a racing franchise on the same level as Forza or GT5.
      N4S Shift 2 is the closest we have lol.

    28. franzke
      10-30-2012
      01:14 AM
      28

      probably next year holiday season.. but launch title would suck like always

    29. hellsing9
      10-30-2012
      01:17 AM
      29

      They have to sink nintendo first...then magic will happen.
      We will have *invisible* consoles at very *invisible* prices with a poor catalogue of games.

      [spoiler]
      NOT
      [/spoiler]

    30. stevorkz
      10-30-2012
      03:29 AM
      30

      Another great sony strategy. Rush the ps4 as quickly as possible for three reasons :

      1. Ps3 is on the road to being blown WIDE open
      2. They've just released CECH-4000 and arent willing to waste money on yet a FOURTH version of ps3 with "added security"
      3. They need to start contending with Wii-U

      Because of this I wont be caught dead near a launch ps4. Whenever Sony rushes consoles, you get the serious manufacturing faults. Its like they basically use us as a level of testers (YLOD or RSOD on ps4 anyone?)

    31. BobbyBlunt
      10-30-2012
      03:43 AM
      31

      Originally Posted by stevorkz
      Another great sony strategy. Rush the ps4 as quickly as possible for three reasons :

      1. Ps3 is on the road to being blown WIDE open
      2. They've just released CECH-4000 and arent willing to waste money on yet a FOURTH version of ps3 with "added security"
      3. They need to start contending with Wii-U

      Because of this I wont be caught dead near a launch ps4. Whenever Sony rushes consoles, you get the serious manufacturing faults. Its like they basically use us as a level of testers (YLOD or RSOD on ps4 anyone?)
      1.)Common misconception. Sony can still stop this latest chain of events regardless of what most people think.

      2.)Yeah I doubt they can find any cheaper trash at the junk yard to assemble a newer cheaper ps3 with.

      3.)Vita connectivity is how they plan on contending with the Wii-U. Just like 360 and smartglass. No originality anymore

      Sony isnt going to rush anything. Sadly they have their own schedule and it isnt like they can just pull a PS4 out of their asses. Right now they are in early prototype stage at very best. They could rush it but let us look at another console that also got very little attention before launch and failed because of it (among other reasons).... The Sega Saturn.

      a quote from wikipedia since many people may not know this
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Sa...he_marketplace

      "By the end of 1994, the 16-bit video game era was in twilight in North America and gamers were eagerly anticipating the new 32-bit machines from Japan. In early 1995, Sega of America president Tom Kalinske announced that the Saturn would launch in the U.S. on "Saturnday", (Saturday) September 2, 1995.[16] This date was greatly anticipated by gamers and the media. It also allowed Sony to announce that the PlayStation release date would be one week later on September 9, 1995.[17]

      However, on May 11, 1995, at the first Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3), Kalinske announced that the "Saturnday" date was a ruse and that the system was being released nationwide by four select retailers (Toys "R" Us, Babbage's, Software Etc. and Electronics Boutique[18]) immediately.[19] It appeared that Sega had a real opportunity to take a commanding 4-month lead in the 32-bit race by beating the PlayStation to the market."

      Perfect example of what rushing a consumer electronic out to the public will actually turn out
      See what happens when there is a last minute change of plans? That console bombed and was the beginning of the end of Sega in the console market.

      Sadly I have been telling myself for a while that Sony is going to be the next Sega if they don't get back to the roots of how the PS brand should be.

    32. stevorkz
      10-30-2012
      03:46 AM
      32

    33. BobbyBlunt
      10-30-2012
      03:48 AM
      33

      Originally Posted by stevorkz
      WTH O.o blank post..... it says gif but I see no gif

    34. stevorkz
      10-30-2012
      03:51 AM
      34

      Originally Posted by BobbyBlunt
      1.)Common misconception. Sony can still stop this latest chain of events regardless of what most people think.
      Even for 3.55 owners? I was under the impression that for 3.55 owners its sort of smooth sailing in a sense

      Originally Posted by BobbyBlunt
      3.)Vita connectivity is how they plan on contending with the Wii-U. Just like 360 and smartglass. No originality anymore
      Ya. If sony thinks that the vita paired with the ps3 is going to be enough to contend with the nintendo market, they are dumb.

      Originally Posted by BobbyBlunt
      WTH O.o blank post..... it says gif but I see no gif
      Thats odd. Clear as day here
      Its def not a gif

    35. BobbyBlunt
      10-30-2012
      03:58 AM
      35

      It might be my ad block. Also there are other things Sony can do to stop the things that have happened as far as most of us have concluded. Remember we thought 3.55 was the end and wow were we wrong LOL.

      You should come by and hang out in the IRC server sometime. Most of the best discussions happen there

    36. SniperSnake
      10-30-2012
      04:01 AM
      36

      if anything i would see sony pushing back any ps4 release to try to tighten up the security even more.

      i personally am not looking forward to the next "next gen" consoles. i liked the simplicity of PS2, buy a game, stick it into the system, start the ps2 and bam game loads. no worrying if you have enough free hdd space to install game data, no forced system update that could be buggy or brick the system. no annoying popup prompt mid game for update patches if you choose to not do a initial update patch.

      looking at psvita and sonys newer protection on it i can see ps4 being a huge annoyance. a forced update and must be online to just rip a cd to the hdd, or copy pictures or video files.

      what i wonder is if sony will abandon the sooner now. i kinda hope that 3k and 4k ps3s never get the ability to use cfw

    37. japsander
      10-30-2012
      04:03 AM
      37

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      You don't remember OCZ NIA

      OCZ Actuator - Play Video Games With Your Mind - YouTube


      Maybe this is the future..? xD
      lol, i remember it all too well.
      brainwave control was a bull**** marketing ploy. everything was controlled via facial muscles and eye twitching. the waves function was not controllable as those were subconscious

      it took me damn near a month to be able to play UT3

    38. OoZic
      10-30-2012
      04:30 AM
      38

      Originally Posted by FaNtAsMiC
      Well i don't know about that, "Sorny" is like Apple, they both have fanboys which will purchase every piece of Sh*t they release, and they will defend with their life if necessary
      Don't f^ck about my new MacBook Pro Retina
      (I did buy it because of the high res display (2880x1800) and the sexy look, not because it is Apple btw).

      OT, damn what a lot of errors in that writing... 3.60 hackable, Geohot, Chinese hacking team releasing the bootldr keys... worthless journalist

    39. stevorkz
      10-30-2012
      04:47 AM
      39

      Originally Posted by BobbyBlunt
      You should come by and hang out in the IRC server sometime. Most of the best discussions happen there
      Funny you should mention that because Ive been meaning to check it out. Perhaps tonight is the night.

      [MENTION=9831]SniperSnake[/MENTION] I know what you mean. I love computers gaming very much. But when I sit in front of a console I want the peace of mind to just be able to slap in a game and play. No system requirements no driver updates etc.
      Nowadays its firmware updates, game installation (can speed up loading times but still), DLC. The piece of mind to just play the game you paid for is sort of still there but dwindling fast.

      I heard a rumour that next gen consoles may use the internet to validate game purchases. Lets hope that doesn't happen

    40. ocam
      10-30-2012
      04:54 AM
      40

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      Long story short...and quick question? when you think PS4 will be announced/released?.
      /me thinks = Late 2013.
      what will be the exclusive for it?
      Uncharted 4?

    41. hello345
      10-30-2012
      06:41 AM
      41

      The latest PS3 hacking will most likely have very little impact on the PS3 business as a whole in my opinion.

      First off, it happend very late in the PS3 lifecycle. The PS3 is now about 6 years old now. It would be different if it got hacked very early in its lifecycle. The hacks also currently only work on firmware 3.55 or lower.

      Sony managed to block the PS3 hacking pretty good for about 1.5 years. It wasn't waterproof, cracked/fixed eboots got released over this period of time and there was also the TrueBlue dongle. But it wasn't as open as it is now. This resulted that several of people upgraded from 3.55 because they were tired of waiting to play new games. This means that less people are on firmware 3.55 or lower today. If i should take a wild guess, i'd guess that less than around 1% (or maybe even less) of all PS3s that excist today are on firmware 3.55 or lower.

      Of course downgrade is possible on older PS3s, but it requires you top open the PS3 and you need a hardware flasher. This limits the appeal in general compared to just doing a simple software hack or firmware file install.

      There are also people who will use CFW for homebrew only and buy all the games they want to play as well.

      So overall, i'd say that the PS3 hacking will have very little affect on the PS3 business. If the PS4 is being pushed forward, i'd say that it is mostly because to release before the Xbox 720, or release it at a similar time as the Xbox 720.

    42. fanboysarestupid
      10-30-2012
      08:07 AM
      42

      Originally Posted by franzke
      and at $99 xbox is still a rip off you will still gonna pay for xbox live gold for $15 a month its not like their gonna really sell the xbox 360 for that cheap theirs still a catch
      Xbox LIVE Gold monhtly deals cost like �1/�1/$1 is it that much to pay for an actual great online service you get to enjoy? In my opinion, no, it's super cheap and you'll also get free MSP to use later on.

      Originally Posted by ocam
      what will be the exclusive for it?
      Uncharted 4?
      I think I read somewhere that Uncharted 4 is coming out in 2013 for PS3, erm... I wish Uncharted 3 was the last. Meh, I hope Uncharted 4 is actually the last.

      I wanna buy Uncharted 2-4 and play them all without the worry there's a damn sequel coming.

      [MENTION=243612]hello345[/MENTION], you seem to forget the reason why the hackers allowed PS3 to stay legit for a bit amount of time, it was because they/we had OtherOS now we don't... They just made things better now.

      Media Showtime Centre is awesome but I've yet to try it out.

    43. ocam
      10-30-2012
      08:39 AM
      43

      Originally Posted by fanboysarestupid
      I think I read somewhere that Uncharted 4 is coming out in 2013 for PS3, erm... I wish Uncharted 3 was the last. Meh, I hope Uncharted 4 is actually the last.

      I wanna buy Uncharted 2-4 and play them all without the worry there's a damn sequel coming.
      Yeah, you are right. UC is like AC now, just with awesome graphix.

      Maybe, The Last of Us 2 will be a exclusive on PS4, but only if The Last of Us rocks

    44. pezao
      10-30-2012
      08:54 AM
      44

      talk that dominated the ps3, but everything is still the same thing .. you guys can only go up to where the leaves sony ...

    45. hello345
      10-30-2012
      08:56 AM
      45

      Originally Posted by fanboysarestupid
      [MENTION=243612]hello345[/MENTION], you seem to forget the reason why the hackers allowed PS3 to stay legit for a bit amount of time, it was because they/we had OtherOS now we don't... They just made things better now.
      No no, i didn't forget it I just listed reasons for why this lv0 hack will not affect the overall PS3 business that much, resulting in that Sony must push PS4 faster than planned as the rumor claims. If my guess is right, this lv0 hack can currently be used on ~1% of all PS3s out there (not taking downgrade into concideration). The impact is small in that regards, so i don't this will affect when the PS4 will be released.

    46. ocam
      10-30-2012
      08:59 AM
      46

      Originally Posted by pezao
      talk that dominated the ps3, but everything is still the same thing .. you guys can only go up to where the leaves sony ...
      ummm, yeah

    47. VideoX
      10-30-2012
      09:51 AM
      47

      Sony said that the PS3 has some years left, so I don't think they will rush on the PS4 yet (not even with all this LV0 and CFW stuff out on the streets).

      The Wii-U is not a real competitor in the new generation, and we don't have a date of release for the XBOX 720. Maybe, and I'm taking a long shot here, they will announce the release date by Winter 2012-2013, so that you can get the new piece by the holidays.

      If Sony wants to win the next generation console war, then they need to remove Hirai from office (and back to the software section, where he belongs) and start applying the success' formula from the PS1 and PS2 eras. Simple as that.

      By the way, do this guys (the journalist from the sources) are paid for writting ****?... damn, I want to write bull**** and get paid, too.

    48. Prince Valiant
      10-30-2012
      10:03 AM
      48

      Originally Posted by FaNtAsMiC
      Well i don't know about that, "Sorny" is like Apple, they both have fanboys which will purchase every piece of Sh*t they release, and they will defend with their life if necessary
      At least some of Sony's products are actually worth purchasing, that's several steps up on Apple :P.

      In response to the thread: Not unless someone releases an exploit for 4.XX consoles to install CFW.

    49. fanboysarestupid
      10-30-2012
      10:16 AM
      49

      I might buy the next home PlayStation console but I have to keep in mind it'll probably have even less liberty and features than the PS3 did.

      No USB transfers (pictures/video/music/gamesaves), no internet browser (maybe it's for the best since $ony never really updated it to today's standards the PS3 browser) or the Recovery Menu. Or even the famous OtherOS.

      It'd be kinda funny if $ony admitted they're losing their nerves with something like this. I don't believe they are. It's just silly media hype.

      Kevin Butler, where are you to make a joke out of this...

    50. franzke
      10-30-2012
      11:23 AM
      50

      im not talking about the xbox live gold promos that u can get for cheap dirt... i was referring to their $99 xbox 360 deal with 2 yr subscription which u can get on gamestop etc its still a rip off at the end it will cost around 250-300 still but i see that its their marketing plan

    51. hello345
      10-30-2012
      05:17 PM
      51

      Originally Posted by fanboysarestupid
      I might buy the next home PlayStation console but I have to keep in mind it'll probably have even less liberty and features than the PS3 did.

      No USB transfers (pictures/video/music/gamesaves), no internet browser (maybe it's for the best since $ony never really updated it to today's standards the PS3 browser) or the Recovery Menu. Or even the famous OtherOS.

      It'd be kinda funny if $ony admitted they're losing their nerves with something like this. I don't believe they are. It's just silly media hype.

      Kevin Butler, where are you to make a joke out of this...
      Yep, a solution like OtherOS will probably never be included again. Not only because of the OtherOS debacle that happend (the removal and the Geohot hack concept using OtherOS), but also that it didn't turn out to be a big selling point in general, at least thats my impression. There was also a rumor (or maybe confirmed?) that Sony included OtherOS in an attempt to sell it as a computer to get lower taxes in Europe, but it didn't work. I'm not sure if this is true though, but if they don't get any tax cuts because of it, it would mean one less reason to include it again.

      As for homebrew support on PS4, i think a XNA (that excist for Xbox 360) and Playstation Mobile type solution is more likely. That you pay i.e $99 a year and you get a SDK which lets you make games and apps. If there will be any homebrew support at all that is.


      Regarding USB transfer, i'm pretty sure this will be included. This was not a security risk on the PS3 as far as i know, especially not for videos, music and pictures. Copying savegames could be used a bit for leaderboard hacks etc. in some Call of Duty games to begin with, but this was not really a threat to the PS3 security itself. I'm not 100% sure regarding savegames and USB transfer on PS4, but for video, music and pictures i'm 99.9% sure

      I'm also pretty sure that a internet browser will be included. I think that both Microsoft and Sony will go with a more multimedia type console with Xbox 720 and PS4. Then a browser is almost a must-have in my opinion. The PS3 browser is based on Webkit, i think it will be the same in PS4. I think it will run more smooth due to more powerful hardware. Maybe it is better optimized as well if PS4 use a more standard CPU architecture other than CELL. But only time will tell.

      I have no idea if a recover menu will be included again. But if i should guess, i think Sony will incorporate efuses. If i'm not mistaken, this makes it much harder (or maybe even impossible) to downgrade the firmware. Xbox 360 uses efuses. In this case, having a recovery menu might be included. Sony didn't drop the recovery menu on the Vita at least.

      Next year will be very interesting, hopefully both PS4 and Xbox 720 is out within 2013

      EDIT: Hm, regarding efuses, it says in the Wikipedia article that PS3 uses efuses. Does anyone have some more info about this?

    52. longhornx
      10-30-2012
      06:25 PM
      52

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      The soonest would
      Yes, you are limiting yourself. You are limiting what games you will be able to play. The Nexus 7 is nice and all, it's big brother Nexus 10 even better, but neither will have a good game line up, other than some crappy mobile ones. Nor will it get the block buster franchises that Sony owns. ...
      I'm not addicted to anything, so, whats the problem with don't play a game...better things to do nowadays...

    53. Cheesethief
      10-30-2012
      07:22 PM
      53

      Originally Posted by longhornx
      I'm not addicted to anything, so, whats the problem with don't play a game...better things to do nowadays...
      You do not have to be addicted to anything. You are limiting your library of potentially fun and great games. That is the point. Sony has pretty much the most extensive library of exclusive game franchises.

    54. klown07
      10-30-2012
      11:35 PM
      54

      The only thing these companies understand is money. We have to speak with our wallets. But there are too many people who don't have self control or are dazzled with console exclusives and shiny "new" graphics. But see, it's not that simple, not everyone is tech saavy. There is a market for console owners obviously. They just want to pop in a game and play.
      If these companies keep giving watered down crap, taking away things, restricting play of used games, inserting ads/commercials in to our games, then simply put, don't give them your money.

    55. hellsing9
      10-31-2012
      01:06 AM
      55

      Well each network has their *methods* to **** you up with memberships but Live (Microsoft) is the more ****ed up one i see for a long time.

      I can understand maybe (idk) they have more users on their network/s and that why you have gold, silver, brown (SIC) memberships subscription to purchase but sucks the thing that you buy some legit game on Xbox360 that has MP like mass effect 3 special edition (with the dlc's and all that ****) and you have 2 FRIGGING days of trial = GOLD to use them.
      Then you are ****ed.

      On the other side i did not *see* that happen on PSN, not mentioning how the network looks and the problems that they had in the past well i see sometimes better to use PSN than Live.
      Why? it's cheaper at the end and you get less wallet-raped.
      I purchase a game that has MP and i don't have to worry about that **** of being gold/silver/etc.
      You got PLUS and that's all it with PSN.

      Don't get me wrong (i own the two of them ps3/xbo360), not bashing Xbox360 tough so don't jump to my neck for stating what i think is true.
      It's obvious they are after making more money and the abusive/compulsive COD gamers are the prime targets.

    56. fanboysarestupid
      10-31-2012
      04:52 AM
      56

      [MENTION=243612]hello345[/MENTION], on PSP for example, I'm able to run CFWE (5.03) just by running a picture exploit.

      So if $ony remember this old exploit that if somehow it could be made similarly for the PS3/PS4 they'd remove the ability of managing files for pictures too.

    57. OoZic
      10-31-2012
      06:28 AM
      57

      Originally Posted by hello345
      The latest PS3 hacking will most likely have very little impact on the PS3 business as a whole in my opinion.

      First off, it happend very late in the PS3 lifecycle. The PS3 is now about 6 years old now. It would be different if it got hacked very early in its lifecycle. The hacks also currently only work on firmware 3.55 or lower.

      Sony managed to block the PS3 hacking pretty good for about 1.5 years. It wasn't waterproof, cracked/fixed eboots got released over this period of time and there was also the TrueBlue dongle. But it wasn't as open as it is now. This resulted that several of people upgraded from 3.55 because they were tired of waiting to play new games. This means that less people are on firmware 3.55 or lower today. If i should take a wild guess, i'd guess that less than around 1% (or maybe even less) of all PS3s that excist today are on firmware 3.56 or higher.

      Of course downgrade is possible on older PS3s, but it requires you top open the PS3 and you need a hardware flasher. This limits the appeal in general compared to just doing a simple software hack or firmware file install.

      There are also people who will use CFW for homebrew only and buy all the games they want to play as well.

      So overall, i'd say that the PS3 hacking will have very little affect on the PS3 business. If the PS4 is being pushed forward, i'd say that it is mostly because to release before the Xbox 720, or release it at a similar time as the Xbox 720.
      3.55 or lower I think ?

    58. hello345
      10-31-2012
      06:42 AM
      58

      Originally Posted by fanboysarestupid
      [MENTION=243612]hello345[/MENTION], on PSP for example, I'm able to run CFWE (5.03) just by running a picture exploit.

      So if $ony remember this old exploit that if somehow it could be made similarly for the PS3/PS4 they'd remove the ability of managing files for pictures too.
      I see. Speaking of this, i do remember that there was some early PS3 hacking attempt using a .tiff picture file, but it never developed into anything serious. Sony didn't remove the possibility to install firmware via USB even after the 3.55 hack for example. I'd be surprised if it wont be possible to transfer pictures to the PS4 using USB, but only time will tell There will most likely be a big focus on security on PS4, i think we can say that with big certainty at least.



      Originally Posted by OoZic
      3.55 or lower I think ?
      Doh! Big typo by me indeed hehe. I've edited and fixed my previous post now, thanks for poiting it out

    59. c64rmx
      11-03-2012
      09:09 PM
      59

      Originally Posted by alienkid
      Don't forget them taking away the extra HDMI port on the PS3 before it even hit the shelves.

      I expect Sony to rush out Orbis with the turn of events. PS3 will be the last console I'll buy. PC Gaming for me. I wish PC gaming had a racing franchise on the same level as Forza or GT5.
      iRacing, rFactor?