• General, Wii U , 25.11.2012

    Somenone in UK got sued by Nintendo and faced jail  time for a year because he imported 26,000 carts. They got serious about the cartridges…dead serious.

    Nintendo’s ongoing struggle against the now-infamous R4 cartridge continues, as another blow against the potentially devious device has been dealt in Japanese government. While the R4 has been illegal to sell in Japan since 2009, importing the thing was still technically legal. Now, however, that too has been prohibited by the Japanese Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry.

    For those of you new to this perpetually unfolding saga of prohibition, let’s recap: The R4 is a flash cartridge for the Nintendo DS, which allows users to play homebrew and/or pirated games on their handhelds. You can probably guess which usage was more common.

    So far, distributing the R4 (and similar devices) has been banned in Japan, France and the UK. Additionally, Amazon and eBay have discontinued sales of the cart at the behest of Nintendo. Australian-based distributors of the cartridges have been successfully sued by Nintendo, and a man in the UK went to prison for a year for importing over 26,000 carts.

    So, if you have to run an illegal import/export business, take our advice and shift away from the R4 and refocus on something less dangerous to work with, like cursed Egyptian artifacts, or mint-in-box time-traveler’s bones.

    [Source] = Joystiq

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  • 34 Comments

    1. qlum
      11-25-2012
      06:24 AM
      1

      That's what you get for going with those cheap r4 clones instead of some better flashcards.

    2. japsander
      11-25-2012
      06:26 AM
      2

      considering the carts contain copyright code, im not surprised whatsoever.

    3. hellsing9
      11-25-2012
      06:26 AM
      3

      Originally Posted by qlum
      That's what you get for going with those cheap r4 clones instead of some better flashcards.
      Most of them are cheap...
      Come from China land of the *Clones*. How many different r4's carts are on the market?...i lost count.

      Originally Posted by japsander
      considering the carts contain copyright code, im not surprised whatsoever.
      You gotta love the irony on that situation something that's illegal and has copyright code...xD

    4. stussy1
      11-25-2012
      06:47 AM
      4

      Lol I just got another one today other one got giving to me only could put a 2 gig sd not enough for todays data so I had to upgrade

    5. hellsing9
      11-25-2012
      07:00 AM
      5

      Originally Posted by stussy1
      Lol I just got another one today other one got giving to me only could put a 2 gig sd not enough for todays data so I had to upgrade
      Don't update to the latest OFW from Nintendo if you own a 3DS.
      You can kiss goodbye the R4.

      Just saying..you did not read it from me. LOL.

    6. first2bomb
      11-25-2012
      07:13 AM
      6

      Nintendo will never fully block out R4 no much how many times they try systems all ways get hacked including the security of the mighty so called ps3. homebrew FTW

    7. FL321
      11-25-2012
      07:42 AM
      7

      I got my son one last year.R4I gold
      Does the job.

    8. japsander
      11-25-2012
      08:03 AM
      8

      [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] not exactly, if they block the r4, they simply change the game that they are pretending to be.
      my r4 is updated regularly and if you update 3ds before the cart you will need to borrow/use a nds to finish the job but no need to "kiss it goodbye"

      im on latest 3ds fw btw

    9. hellsing9
      11-25-2012
      08:08 AM
      9

      Originally Posted by japsander
      [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] not exactly, if they block the r4, they simply change the game that they are pretending to be.
      my r4 is updated regularly and if you update 3ds before the cart you will need to borrow/use a nds to finish the job but no need to "kiss it goodbye"

      im on latest 3ds fw btw
      Yeah im wide-awake still. You are right..but in my case in don't own a DS so im screwed.

      Did not update tough..i did not purchase anything interesting on this last month.

    10. stevorkz
      11-25-2012
      08:47 AM
      10

      A bit off topic (then a bit on)

      I just bought a DS lite this week

      They were on sale in one of my local malls I work in for a third (yes a third) of the price because they were trying to get rid of stock for some unknown reason. So of course I bought one. I thought if I didn't like it I would sell it privately for a bit more money easily, or the same price as what I bought it for. Luckily my brother in law had a R4 cart lying around so I tried it out and wow I really don't like the DS. The homebrew is terrible with the exception of moonshell. But who cares about videos on a DS?. Games aswell I know Its probably been said before, but with the exception of Resident Evil Deadly Silence, Dementia 1&2 and perhaps the recapturing of ones youth with New Super Mario Bros,...It is just what I expected. An insanely childish console for the masses and Pokemon fans. Nothing more, nothing less. I can totally see why psp brutally KILLS it. Selling it this week.

      On topic:

      A year for importing 26000 carts? Heavy considering the R4 truly can be used solely for homebrew just as the early ps dongles were. As bad as the homebrew is the amount of homebrew is considerably large.

      I realize I am being quite naive though with homebrew. The majority buy it to put downloaded games on. So I guess nintendo have a point?

    11. japsander
      11-25-2012
      09:16 AM
      11

      ^^lol

      why buy an obvious casual game system if you are not a casual gamer?
      the ps was aimed at the more serious gamer (hence the control system)

      on topic: the R4 contains nintendos code (thats how it works and is not sold blank) so no amount of legitimacy can be claimed as it uses their code without their consent. it is intent and act of mass distribution of copyright material

    12. hellsing9
      11-25-2012
      09:17 AM
      12

      Originally Posted by stevorkz
      A bit off topic (then a bit on)

      I just bought a DS lite this week

      They were on sale in one of my local malls I work in for a third (yes a third) of the price because they were trying to get rid of stock for some unknown reason. So of course I bought one. I thought if I didn't like it I would sell it privately for a bit more money easily, or the same price as what I bought it for. Luckily my brother in law had a R4 cart lying around so I tried it out and wow I really don't like the DS. The homebrew is terrible with the exception of moonshell. But who cares about videos on a DS?. Games aswell I know Its probably been said before, but with the exception of Resident Evil Deadly Silence, Dementia 1&2 and perhaps the recapturing of ones youth with New Super Mario Bros,...It is just what I expected. An insanely childish console for the masses and Pokemon fans. Nothing more, nothing less. I can totally see why psp brutally KILLS it. Selling it this week.

      On topic:

      A year for importing 26000 carts? Heavy considering the R4 truly can be used solely for homebrew just as the early ps dongles were. As bad as the homebrew is the amount of homebrew is considerably large.

      I realize I am being quite naive though with homebrew. The majority buy it to put downloaded games on. So I guess nintendo have a point?
      You can use brew and don't do warez...
      I have R4 (yeah i have some games) on my 3DS but i enjoy the homebrew.
      It's not WOW but it's something at least.

    13. affigne
      11-25-2012
      10:07 AM
      13

      Well, at least here in Venezuela, neither Nintendo nor any money-sucking brand (yeah: $ony, Micro$oft...) cannot sues us. There's no known law forbidding you from importing/exporting r4, jailbreaking consoles and smartphones, releasing such jailbreak softwares... And in the hypothetical case that this law does exist, no law force will do anything for that... They barely move for murdering cases and other stuffs. Sad, but that's our situation here.

    14. 4DoorITR
      11-25-2012
      10:31 AM
      14

      Hey hellsing9 this is a PS3 site in case you didn't know.

    15. concretecork
      11-25-2012
      11:05 AM
      15

      Originally Posted by 4DoorITR
      Hey hellsing9 this is a PS3 site in case you didn't know.
      I dont understand why people always complain [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] for his news posts. If you dont want to read them you dont have too. [MENTION=192168]HELLSING[/MENTION] does a great job with all of his write ups and news posts. Have you told [MENTION=7773]GregoryRasputin[/MENTION] the same thing when he posts stuff like this
      http://www.ps3hax.net/2012/11/14-gam...next-gen-xbox/
      or do you just not have any balls?

    16. Wolfie708
      11-25-2012
      11:08 AM
      16

      Originally Posted by 4DoorITR
      Hey hellsing9 this is a PS3 site in case you didn't know.
      http://www.ps3hax.net/forumdisplay.php?f=6

    17. hellsing9
      11-25-2012
      11:27 AM
      17

      Originally Posted by 4DoorITR
      Hey hellsing9 this is a PS3 site in case you didn't know.




      If you seek for attention, try again.

      But as usual another suicidal imbecile like you appears to point the obvious and tell what a piece of **** of article get's frontpaged when you don't EVEN READ THEM!!!. Well, this proves that you don't have a clue.

      For ****s sake.

      Seriously, try harder.



      Regards.

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      [MENTION=193443]concretecork[/MENTION] Meh more of the same. Funny tough, *this* ones are the first to ***** about any frontpaged article but they don't use their damn eyes to read them. It's automatic *Hellsing9 - Let's find something to make him burst.*

      Is getting old and boring.

    18. GregoryRasputin
      11-25-2012
      12:02 PM
      18

      Originally Posted by 4DoorITR
      Hey hellsing9 this is a PS3 site in case you didn't know.
      OMFG
      The whole time I have been on this site, I thought we were talking about antique bananas.
      People actually talk about PS3's here ?, nobody told me, I feel so stupid now

    19. affigne
      11-25-2012
      12:23 PM
      19

      Originally Posted by 4DoorITR
      Hey hellsing9 this is a PS3 site in case you didn't know.
      And this is a box of f*cks to give.... seems to be empty

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    20. pereb27
      11-25-2012
      12:37 PM
      20

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      You gotta love the irony on that situation something that's illegal and has copyright code...xD
      I fail to see the irony in that. They "stole" copyrighted code from Nintendo (basically ripped it off a legit game cartridge) and use it on the carts in order to make the NDS recognize it as a legit game. They don't own the code they're using and yet use it to sell their products.

    21. stevorkz
      11-25-2012
      12:49 PM
      21

      Originally Posted by japsander
      ^^lol

      why buy an obvious casual game system if you are not a casual gamer?
      the ps was aimed at the more serious gamer (hence the control system
      Like I said they were so damn cheap. It felt not right to not buy one. I probably wouldn't have opened it if I never got my hands on my brothers R4. But curiosity got the better of me when he said he had one

    22. lintz
      11-25-2012
      01:05 PM
      22

      Originally Posted by stevorkz
      Like I said they were so damn cheap. It felt not right to not buy one. I probably wouldn't have opened it if I never got my hands on my brothers R4. But curiosity got the better of me when he said he had one
      Keeping at a bit of topic but you might want to give 999 a chance.

      Back to topic.

      Seems to me it's mostly R4 that gets all these problems. Supercard, M3, Acekard and the others seems to stay outside Nintendo's radar in some way. Sure my Supercard DsTwo does get blocked with almost every firmware like all of them. But no law suits that I have seen reports of.

      Maybe its because they come without any code or program what so ever att start. And you have to add all that your self,

    23. hellsing9
      11-25-2012
      01:07 PM
      23

      Originally Posted by pereb27
      I fail to see the irony in that. They "stole" copyrighted code from Nintendo (basically ripped it off a legit game cartridge) and use it on the carts in order to make the NDS recognize it as a legit game. They don't own the code they're using and yet use it to sell their products.
      Why "Stole"? and not stole?.
      Hell, maybe the even sold that cartridge to the highest bidder.
      They know, we don't.

      Also why Nintendo is on *Sue* mode now?, they could done that ages ago.

      Irony or beyond ridiculous, we don't know 100% sure wtf happened.
      Or do we?...

      Nintendo just sued some low life importer that ended in Jail for ONE year for 26.000 cartridges.
      I see irony, injustice, lack of honesty and dirty business but it's just my point of view.
      They put in jail some random reseller when you have thousands all over the globe.

    24. Wolfie708
      11-25-2012
      01:09 PM
      24

      Originally Posted by lintz
      Maybe its because they come without any code or program what so ever att start. And you have to add all that your self,
      Hit the nail on the head.

      It's not illegal to sell hardware that can be used for Piracy, but it is illegal to sell hardware that has pirated code on it at point of sale.

    25. hellsing9
      11-25-2012
      01:17 PM
      25

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708
      Hit the nail on the head.

      It's not illegal to sell hardware that can be used for Piracy, but it is illegal to sell hardware that has pirated code on it at point of sale.
      So E3 flasher for example and Progskeet are legal to sell on US? (really i don't know about this since i don't get what's the difference).
      But it's also legal to sell TB or any DRM device?...they will not be chased by any company/etc or eventually get sued.

      I don't get it.

      Any other example of hardware that has pirated code on it at point of sale?.
      That's not R4's cartridges.

    26. Wolfie708
      11-25-2012
      01:23 PM
      26

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      So E3 flasher for example and Progskeet are legal to sell on US? (really i don't know about this since i don't get what's the difference).
      But it's also legal to sell TB or any DRM device?...they will not be chased by any company/etc or eventually get sued.

      I don't get it.

      Any other example of hardware that has pirated code on it at point of sale?.
      That's not R4's cartridges.
      lol... I don't get it either as I never even used an R4 thingummyjig, but copyrighted code is illegal to distribute (or alter) without permission.

      Hardware is hardware and as long as it does not breach any hardware copyrights, it's what is on it at point of sale that makes it a yes or no

    27. pereb27
      11-25-2012
      01:29 PM
      27

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      Why "Stole"? and not stole?.
      Hell, maybe the even sold that cartridge to the highest bidder.
      They know, we don't.
      You do realize you can buy NDS games at pretty much any game shop right?
      They bought a game, ripped the code they needed off it. And I said "stole" because they don't exactly steal the code, more like, as said above they pirate it.

    28. hellsing9
      11-25-2012
      01:30 PM
      28

      Post-patent Famiclones:

      Some of Nintendo's patents on the Famicom expired in 2003, followed in 2005 by NES-specific patents such as those covering the 10NES lockout chip. While Nintendo still holds various related trademarks, NES hardware clones are no longer necessarily illegal on the basis of patent infringement. This matter is complicated by the effect of different patents awarded in different countries, with different expiration dates. Nintendo sued Gametech in 2005 for selling the PocketFami, despite the patent expiration. Nintendo lost this suit.[citation needed] However, Famiclone manufacturers who incorporate copyrighted games into the unit may still be subject to legal liability on that basis, due to copyrights having much longer terms than patents (in most countries creative works such as games are automatically in copyright for many decades, sometimes up to 95 years after their creation)
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintend...hardware_clone

      Originally Posted by pereb27
      You do realize you can buy NDS games at pretty much any game shop right?
      They bought a game, ripped the code they needed off it. And I said "stole" because they don't exactly steal the code, more like, as said above they pirate it.
      Where i live, nope but yes i know some friends that can buy them in any game shop. Even in some big 24/7. (seriously, im not joking)
      Now i get it.

    29. 4DoorITR
      11-25-2012
      10:37 PM
      29

      Originally Posted by concretecork
      I dont understand why people always complain [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] for his news posts. If you dont want to read them you dont have too. [MENTION=192168]HELLSING[/MENTION] does a great job with all of his write ups and news posts. Have you told [MENTION=7773]GregoryRasputin[/MENTION] the same thing when he posts stuff like this
      http://www.ps3hax.net/2012/11/14-gam...next-gen-xbox/
      or do you just not have any balls?
      I complain because most all of his posts aren't news but just his speculation about something. I'm well aware that I don't have to read his stories, however I do have to scroll past all the non PS3 news to actually find something PS3 related on a PS3 site.

    30. concretecork
      11-25-2012
      10:56 PM
      30

      Originally Posted by 4DoorITR
      I complain because most all of his posts aren't news but just his speculation about something. I'm well aware that I don't have to read his stories, however I do have to scroll past all the non PS3 news to actually find something PS3 related on a PS3 site.
      Just out of curiosity, How many seconds do you think it takes you to scroll past them?

    31. hellsing9
      11-26-2012
      12:09 AM
      31

      Originally Posted by 4DoorITR
      I complain because most all of his posts aren't news but just his speculation about something. I'm well aware that I don't have to read his stories, however I do have to scroll past all the non PS3 news to actually find something PS3 related on a PS3 site.
      http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?p=402444

      http://www.ps3devwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Cex2Dex

      http://www.ps3hax.net/2012/07/cex-to-dex-facts/

      http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=40619

      Use google and check how many news i posted and how many of them are 100% speculation and which ones not.
      Instead of keep defending yourself.
      Refute what im saying, refute that *Evidence* but you are too lazy to make some search here, on google or anywhere.



      I said..try HARDER.
      Yeah sometimes i *work* on speculation, so what?.

      Friendly advice:
      Don't push your luck.

    32. NTA
      11-26-2012
      12:59 AM
      32

      Time to invest into the acekards

    33. G-STAR01
      11-26-2012
      05:21 AM
      33

      People still use R4s?

      Investing in a quality card (dstwo, 2i) goes a long way.

    34. Nick255
      11-26-2012
      05:45 PM
      34

      Originally Posted by first2bomb
      Nintendo will never fully block out R4 no much how many times they try systems all ways get hacked including the security of the mighty so called ps3. homebrew FTW
      Wrong. While they will never block DS flash carts entirely it is entirely possible that they will end up blocking the R4 series and any flash cart without enough hardware to fully emulate a retail game well enough to fool the 3DS. To be specific, they will probably not be able to block the DSTwo but who knows about other less advanced flash carts that have very limited FPGA room and therefore have to rely on spoofing carts with no saving ability.