• Wii U , 29.11.2012

    Well-known hacker Marcan, who played a part in hacking the PS3, has found out the clock speed of the Wii U. It’s surprising how slow it is, and I’m actually having troubles even thinking that Nintendo went with something like that. It’s a well known fact that the PS3′s Cell and Xbox 360′s Xenon run at 3.0 GHZ each per core, but the Wii U CPU runs at 1.243125 GHz per core.

    “It’s a Three PowerPC 750 type cores (similar to Wii’s Broadway, but more cache),” tweeted Marcan.

    One interesting thing he has revealed is that the Wii U is easier to hack, akin to the Wii. He tweeted that they’re “calling the WiiU security processor the Starbuck (vs. Starlet on Wii). And it seems to be about equally vulnerable, too.”

    He has also revealed the GPU speed of the Wii U, which runs at 549.999755MHz.

    Now these are quite lower than the ones found in the PS3 and Xbox 360, and I honestly can’t believe what I’m reading here.

    Most third-party games so far on the Wii U have been professionally examined to be running slower than their PS3 and Xbox 360 counterparts. Games like Black Ops 2, Mass Effect 3 and even Batman: Arkham City have problems when it comes to maintaining a steady framerate.

     

    Last week we had reported that the Wii U’s RAM  is a certain percentage lower than the PS3 and Xbox 360. You can read the article over here. Many developers like 4A Games have claimed that Wii U’s CPU is horrible (that’s got to hurt) whereas Tecmo believes that it is less powerful compared to the PS3 and Xbox 360.

    [Source] = gamingbolt

    Update: (Since the article have some flaws in it) Markan twitted this:

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  • 78 Comments

    1. AsSiTcH
      11-29-2012
      10:45 AM
      1

      Expected nothing less from Nintendo. Thanks for the info.

    2. Parabolee
      11-29-2012
      10:50 AM
      2

      Better analysis here -

      http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/co...generation-pow

    3. hellsing9
      11-29-2012
      11:09 AM
      3

      Originally Posted by Parabolee
      Better analysis here -

      http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/co...generation-pow
      Thanks for that

    4. qlum
      11-29-2012
      11:13 AM
      4

      the thing is it is a lot newer architecture and if you don't optimize for it you will fail, just like the gpu which is a lot newer and with gpu clock speeds don't matter much. Its just about making the game specifically for the architecture.

    5. mat123
      11-29-2012
      11:15 AM
      5

      In the breakdown, they mention the presence of a GPGPU which would take away stress from the CPU and thus void the need for an overkill CPU since the GPU will be the one handling most of the calculations.

      The devs nagging at the weak CPU are simply trying to force their 360 ports to run on the WiiU with as little modifications to the code as possible. Understanding the WiiU's architecture is the key to unlocking its true power but it's no mystery that the thing works very differently than a 360.

    6. twat420
      11-29-2012
      11:16 AM
      6

      [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] time to update your story:

      Marcan just tweeted:

      Originally Posted by marcan42
      [MENTION=60324]marcan[/MENTION]42
      The Espresso is an out of order design with a much shorter pipeline. It should win big on IPC on most code, but it has weak SIMD.

      [MENTION=60324]marcan[/MENTION]42
      No hardware threads. One per core. No new SIMD, just paired singles. But it's a saner core than the P4esque stuff in 360/PS3.

      [MENTION=60324]marcan[/MENTION]42
      I don't know how it compares at the actual clock speeds, but at the same clock the 750 wins hands down except on pure SIMD.

      [MENTION=60324]marcan[/MENTION]42
      And I'm sure it's not an "idle" clock speed. 1.24G is exactly in line with what we expected for a 750-based design.

      [MENTION=60324]marcan[/MENTION]42
      So yes, the Wii U CPU is nothing to write home about, but don't compare it clock per clock with a 360 and claim it's much worse. It isn't.

    7. Blasty
      11-29-2012
      11:16 AM
      7

      Someone wrote and posted the article a little too soon. Read the latest tweets by marcan.

      Hector Martin ‏[MENTION=60324]marcan[/MENTION]42

      So yes, the Wii U CPU is nothing to write home about, but don't compare it clock per clock with a 360 and claim it's much worse. It isn't.

    8. hellsing9
      11-29-2012
      11:37 AM
      8

      Updated [MENTION=7773]GregoryRasputin[/MENTION] added too image to follow markan on twitter.

      [MENTION=100250]twat420[/MENTION] Already updated

    9. brunomocsa
      11-29-2012
      11:41 AM
      9

      this is bull****, the clock doesnt matter to Nintendo, this its not what their market expected, who buy Nintendo is to play casually, play the exclusives retro new games like mario, zelda, pokemon, or play the fun graphics games.

      Im sorry, but who buys a wii to play specifically Black Ops or similar, have some kind of problem...

    10. fanboysarestupid
      11-29-2012
      11:46 AM
      10

      Not surprising news really, Nintendo has always been more about the games and less about graphical/hardware power.

      Wii U should've been released this current-gen to rival Xbox 360 and PS3.

      In terms of power it probably will lose against the next Xbox and PlayStation home consoles.

    11. ziratul
      11-29-2012
      11:54 AM
      11

      I don't care about POWER.

      Gamers care about Games.

      Like: Donkey Kong Country returns, Mario Kart.

      IT'S ABOUT GAMES.

      Anyway i do agree that specs are little low.
      3rd party will leave that platform like they left Wii.

    12. hellsing9
      11-29-2012
      12:00 PM
      12

      Yeah i don't care about power too much either.
      It's fluid/fun gameplay what's VITAL to enjoy some title.

      Too much RAW power = No imagination.
      Less RAW power = More Imagination.

      Today gaming is corrupted with eyecandy, almost 70% of it.
      But well...hope situation changes anytime soon.

    13. AlexBaka
      11-29-2012
      12:04 PM
      13

      The only thing that got my attention - "can be hacked" - all other things don't matter

    14. mrBear
      11-29-2012
      12:10 PM
      14

      Lower clock, less heat, less chance of fails like RROD and YLOD. The math is simple.

    15. kneeandarrow
      11-29-2012
      12:18 PM
      15

      Lol when people say "I am not after graphics or power" So why are you buying/upgrading to a new console? Just stick to your gamecube/gameboy/ps2/ps1. Tons of games are there and it is impossible to have bought all.

    16. Sidewinder_2011
      11-29-2012
      12:21 PM
      16

      Originally Posted by kneeandarrow
      Lol when people say "I am not after graphics or power" So why are you buying/upgrading to a new console? Just stick to your gamecube/gameboy/ps2/ps1. Tons of games are there and it is impossible to have bought all.
      erm eg cos there be a new mario game etc that wont be able to be played on wii/gamecube/gameboy etc

    17. kneeandarrow
      11-29-2012
      12:26 PM
      17

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      erm eg cos there be a new mario game etc that wont be able to be played on wii/gamecube/gameboy etc
      If they are after "quality games", newer games aren't the place to look in the first place.



      Just look at Morrowind then Skyrim, Max Payne 1-2 then 3 , most of the new games have so much better graphics but lower quality gameplay.


      I love graphics and technology and nintendo is out of league for todays games. Also a powerfull hardware means better Physics, AI , Sound (not compressed sh**), memory space, multimedia , online experience. Not only graphics

    18. stevorkz
      11-29-2012
      12:33 PM
      18

      [MENTION=222798]kneeandarrow[/MENTION] unless one has a 3 second memory like a goldfish, playing the same games forever may get a little dull don't you think? Believe or not, there are people that enjoy new games even if they lack originality. Not to mention games such as MGS when all they seem to do is get better and better

    19. hellsing9
      11-29-2012
      12:35 PM
      19

      Originally Posted by mrBear
      Lower clock, less heat, less chance of fails like RROD and YLOD. The math is simple.
      Better refrigeration systems for the product console is the way, they don't want that.
      They just want to you YLOD/RROD/YOLO (?) because the product was meant to be that way.

      You can have RAW power (i mean RAW capital letters) and mod the console yourself to avoid that happening. Examples = Water cooling, etc.
      But the companies (all of them) want the product to fail with a *expiration* label of 1 year or less.

      They will also not invest a single dollar on cooling solutions from scratch before they release the product. Why? because they have to redesign all to fit some good heat sink or whatever they have in mind and they will lose money also seems *too expensive* and not rentable for their goals.
      Even if the math is simple they can achieve that *balance* but problem is they just don't want that.

    20. blackmath
      11-29-2012
      12:38 PM
      20

      I packed away my soft modded Wii recently. The games were fun for the first couple of weeks. Then meh....I enjoy playing The Fight on my ps3 more than punchout. And that's just 1 example.

      Nothing about the Wii U has grabbed me. If the security does suck as bad as the Wii, I might get a system to hack. But I think even that would be too tiresome. I can't see myself buying a system for a couple of exclusives when 90% of third party titles will most likely play better. The ps3 scene has exploded in the past month and should keep me satisfied until I can justify spending money on a ps4. Because honestly, if I'm going to lay out cash for a new system, it's going to be for an actual upgrade

      Nintendo is stubborn. So am I.

    21. japsander
      11-29-2012
      12:46 PM
      21

      Originally Posted by kneeandarrow
      Lol when people say "I am not after graphics or power" So why are you buying/upgrading to a new console? Just stick to your gamecube/gameboy/ps2/ps1. Tons of games are there and it is impossible to have bought all.
      do those other consoles come with innovation or features present in the new consoles, or the newer games?

      if graphics pwn all then get out of the console scene and build a monster PC but then you miss console exclusives but that shouldnt matter should it as the graphics/power are all that matter right

      lets make a quad sli comparative console with 32 core cpu, 32gb ram and make completely generic, short as ****, boring games with eyecandy then eh? woohoo!!

      gameplay pwns graphics. thats not to say graphics arent important, thats saying they are "not as" important as people think compared to the game itself.
      how many people like demon souls/call of duty etc? the graphics are average but the gameplay isnt. the same with many many games

      there is nothing wrong with the wii-u power/graphics at all, nor the capabilities. the problem is with devs being upset that they cant hit a "port" button and that they have to actually code for a different system.

    22. marty370
      11-29-2012
      12:55 PM
      22

      I would'nt take this as gospel, as they got the clock speeds of both the PS3 and 360 wrong. Both PS3 & 360 CPU's run at 3.2Ghz not 3Ghz. So how do you know that they got the true Wii U CPU/GPU specs.

    23. gangs_08
      11-29-2012
      01:28 PM
      23

      is it theoretically possible to tweak that clocks higher with a homebrew for mfkers who wants that?

      if yes, would it bring much or wouldnt it effect the graphics and the speed?

    24. marty370
      11-29-2012
      01:46 PM
      24

      Originally Posted by gangs_08
      is it theoretically possible to tweak that clocks higher with a homebrew for mfkers who wants that?

      if yes, would it bring much or wouldnt it effect the graphics and the speed?
      CPU's/GPU's get underclocked to keep wattage requirements down, as most consoles are based on small factor case not huge boxes like with PC's. It's clear that Ninty must have done this to keep costs down as well.

      Faster clocked chips would require better PSU/better Cooling or modded cases. It would depend if the Wii U chips are locked or not. Sometimes chips can't be overclocked. No doubt will see a Wii U modding scene soon.

    25. MrPokeylope
      11-29-2012
      03:06 PM
      25

      See the size of the cpu as well? eesh. It's like a 20th of the 360's. It'll output hardly any heat, and the energy used to power it will be awesome.

      Day one hack as well... I'm floored.

    26. fanboysarestupid
      11-29-2012
      03:25 PM
      26

      Originally Posted by stevorkz
      [MENTION=222798]kneeandarrow[/MENTION] unless one has a 3 second memory like a goldfish, playing the same games forever may get a little dull don't you think? Believe or not, there are people that enjoy new games even if they lack originality. Not to mention games such as MGS when all they seem to do is get better and better
      Which MGS exactly? MGS4?

      MGS4 had shiny graphics over gameplay. It didn't feel too much like a stealth game to me.

    27. stevorkz
      11-29-2012
      04:40 PM
      27

      Originally Posted by fanboysarestupid
      Which MGS exactly?
      All IMO.

      MGS4 was more for the fans though I'll give you that

    28. Annelies
      11-29-2012
      04:50 PM
      28

      Leroy Jenkins.

      Goodbye Nintendo.

      Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-T989 using Tapatalk 2

    29. hellsing9
      11-29-2012
      04:51 PM
      29



      Easy..as sunday morning.

    30. OoZic
      11-29-2012
      05:24 PM
      30

      Originally Posted by kneeandarrow
      Lol when people say "I am not after graphics or power" So why are you buying/upgrading to a new console? Just stick to your gamecube/gameboy/ps2/ps1. Tons of games are there and it is impossible to have bought all.
      Agreed, that is why I still have my Commodore CD32 (early 90's) connected to my TV. I also have the Amiga CDTV (1989) connected to a small 14" TV.... (and still have every console/computer (and more) I used in my 45 year old life but that is another story).

      Only question is why I have to stick to one console if I read some comments in this thread. What is wrong with having more consoles and use every console for the things it can do best? Fanboyism? lol.... stopped with that nonsense after the Commodore/Atari war long long time ago

      And with the Wii-U I get legal network access again. I do own the original PS3 BO-II disk but still scared to go online with it. So it stays off-line and I will have fun with the Wii-U for that

    31. oPolo
      11-29-2012
      05:36 PM
      31

      This comparison is retarded. The Wii U uses a different newer generation of architecture, would you compare a pentium 3 to an ARM processor or to a Core 2 Single processor, or anything similar, if they had the same clock frequency?

      Second, the architecture of the Wii U is completely different to current-gen consoles, it cannot be compared to them. The Wii U relies on its graphics card, which for this very purpose is a general purpose graphics card for calculating physics and all sorts of things that the old consoles did with their CPU. It does not need nearly as fast a CPU.
      GPGPU is winning ground fast, it is brilliant. Do not compare the CPU of a system that relies on the CPU to a CPU of a system that relies on the (GP)GPU that is retarded.

      Now, lets compare the graphics cards of the current gen to the Wii U, and see how it looks

      Got any argument about the third party titles lagging? Well, you see: The only reason for that is that the developers haven't understood/learned to code efficiently for the Wii U and its new architecture yet, it is quite different. Compare it to when the PS3 was launched, and people whined over the Cell CPU and its different architecture.. The whine was immense there too.... Now, how are things looking now?

      Another note: The only reason game developers are whinning, is because (1) they need to learn to program to a new architecture (and people whine, because they are lazy or don't feel like learning something new, although it is how its going to be done in the future), and (2) because they cannot simply lazily port their old games over to this new console, so they are butthurt.

      I would be EXTREMELY surprised if PS4 and Xbox 720 didn't go with a GPGPU system either. Yes, their CPU will surely also be better, as they will be launched 1-2 years after the Wii U most likely, but... Mark my words, they are going to be GPGPU systems like this Wii U are now

    32. kiwitothemax
      11-29-2012
      06:36 PM
      32

      Originally Posted by hellsing9


      Easy..as sunday morning.
      That looks boss. I'm starting to think you may be addicted to water cooling

    33. JustThatDude
      11-29-2012
      06:46 PM
      33

      Originally Posted by hellsing9


      Easy..as sunday morning.
      [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] make a tutorial so i can do that sexy as f*ck

    34. hellsing9
      11-29-2012
      06:55 PM
      34

      [MENTION=99471]kiwitothemax[/MENTION] Indeed im a hardcore WC fan.

      [MENTION=218762]JustThatDude[/MENTION] It's not mine is from some guy from a board im in (All WC related). He achieved to make that WC but you have to put the PS3 all time in vertical position, since the rad/reservoir/etc it's on the bottom.

      I will gladly do some tutorials, even with HQ videos on how to do this but i don't see many WC lovers over here :P if 40% of users are scared about getting banned, imagine someone trying to pump refrigerant into the PS3.

    35. calo
      11-29-2012
      06:56 PM
      35

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      Too much RAW power = No imagination.
      Less RAW power = More Imagination.

      Today gaming is corrupted with eyecandy, almost 70% of it.

      hollywood movies. come in mind?
      great cgi, sh1te story.

    36. Anthony817
      11-29-2012
      08:16 PM
      36

      Originally Posted by OoZic
      Only question is why I have to stick to one console if I read some comments in this thread. What is wrong with having more consoles and use every console for the things it can do best? Fanboyism? lol.... stopped with that nonsense after the Commodore/Atari war long long time ago
      Lol, there are fanboys on every platform. I am a hard core PC gamer, but not a fanboy. I own lots of systems. If you can play games on the thing, I will own it.

      PC, PS3, Xbox, Nintendo. They all got blind fanboys afraid to touch other systems. I guess you could say I am a gaming whore, I love all kinds and I sleep around on other platforms lol.

    37. LoverboySimer
      11-29-2012
      11:51 PM
      37

      someone thinks wiiu is next gen

    38. marty370
      11-30-2012
      12:34 AM
      38

      Originally Posted by calo
      hollywood movies. come in mind?
      great cgi, sh1te story.
      Raw Power = Better physics, AI & graphics.

      So a console lacking in raw gunt, will be poor at all of the above.

    39. StriderVM
      11-30-2012
      12:35 AM
      39

      I think the topic is true, you can't compare the current generation processor with the Wii-U's processor.

      If you believe that the Wii-U has a massively slow processor compared to the Xbox360 / PS3. Then why a lot of people still say the current AMD Bulldozer processors are crap compared to the current Intel processors? They have much more Ghz! *sarcasm*

    40. marty370
      11-30-2012
      12:36 AM
      40

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      [MENTION=99471]kiwitothemax[/MENTION] Indeed im a hardcore WC fan.

      [MENTION=218762]JustThatDude[/MENTION] It's not mine is from some guy from a board im in (All WC related). He achieved to make that WC but you have to put the PS3 all time in vertical position, since the rad/reservoir/etc it's on the bottom.

      I will gladly do some tutorials, even with HQ videos on how to do this but i don't see many WC lovers over here :P if 40% of users are scared about getting banned, imagine someone trying to pump refrigerant into the PS3.
      I like watercooling my Pc is using it.:D

    41. no0byme
      11-30-2012
      01:00 AM
      41

      If you want RAW power and amazing graphics, go for PC... a $2,000 custom built PC will br enough.

    42. hellsing9
      11-30-2012
      01:08 AM
      42

      Originally Posted by calo
      hollywood movies. come in mind?
      great cgi, sh1te story.
      Indeed.
      The new hollywood is interacting on a videogame.

    43. McHaggis
      11-30-2012
      05:17 AM
      43

      Originally Posted by LoverboySimer
      someone thinks wiiu is next gen
      Someone else thinks that generations are based on power. See how many other things you can apply the same theory to.

      Let's take a look at the definitions of the word generation that could be applied to games consoles:

      gen�er�a�tion
      noun /ˌjenəˈrāSHən/ 
      generations, plural

      1. All of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively
      - one of his generation's finest songwriters
      The Wii, XBox 360 and the PS3 could all be considered as 'born and living' at about the same time.

      2. A set of members of a family regarded as a single step or stage in descent
      - a third-generation Canadian
      Each console could be considered as the next stage in descent from it's predecessor.

      3. A single stage in the development of a type of product
      - a new generation of rear-engined sports cars
      Can you argue with this one?

      If the Wii U was half as powerful as the Wii, it would still be the next generation. I'm tired of people saying that consoles are only 'next-gen' if they have the requisite power to compare with other consoles in the same generation.

    44. totalv
      11-30-2012
      08:17 AM
      44

      Originally Posted by Parabolee
      Better analysis here -

      http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/co...generation-pow
      well, it's comparing WiiU with Wii, stupid fanboy article...

      Anyway, what more can u expect from Nintendo...

    45. greyestest
      11-30-2012
      09:01 AM
      45

      Originally Posted by Blasty
      Someone wrote and posted the article a little too soon. Read the latest tweets by marcan.

      Hector Martin ‏[MENTION=60324]marcan[/MENTION]42

      So yes, the Wii U CPU is nothing to write home about, but don't compare it clock per clock with a 360 and claim it's much worse. It isn't.

      Ok. It's not much worse, it's just worse.

    46. UK-Wobbie
      11-30-2012
      09:13 AM
      46

      Not being funny as this info is very cool to know!
      But this is Nintendo you are talking about here.
      We all know that the Wii U will not be as powerful then PS3 or Xbox as Nintendo don't make games like Sony or Microsoft so they don't need to make a powerful system to run there games.

    47. mrBear
      11-30-2012
      09:28 AM
      47

      Originally Posted by no0byme
      If you want RAW power and amazing graphics, go for PC... a $2,000 custom built PC will br enough.
      Try 7200 for my laptop But its not really a laptop anymore with the massive brick for a power supply that need to feed my addiction.

    48. OoZic
      11-30-2012
      10:07 AM
      48

      Originally Posted by mrBear
      Try 7200 for my laptop But its not really a laptop anymore with the massive brick for a power supply that need to feed my addiction.
      typo? 2700 maybe?

      I looked for the fastest Windows laptops before I bought my 15" MacBook Pro Retina and MSI was I think the most expensive with the most features I wanted and the price was about 2500 euro....

      OT, the Wii-U runs very well here with BO-II, did only read about it using sub-HD, have to find out what that means.

      Funny note: My simple LG NAS is almost the same size as the Wii-U in standing up position, they fit very nice together. Takes much less space as the PS3

    49. japsander
      11-30-2012
      10:16 AM
      49

      Originally Posted by OoZic
      typo? 2700 maybe?

      I looked for the fastest Windows laptops before I bought my 15" MacBook Pro Retina and MSI was I think the most expensive with the most features I wanted and the price was about 2500 euro....

      OT, the Wii-U runs very well here with BO-II, did only read about it using sub-HD, have to find out what that means.

      Funny note: My simple LG NAS is almost the same size as the Wii-U in standing up position, they fit very nice together. Takes much less space as the PS3
      it doesnt run at HD resolution but is stretched to fill the screen. the same as on ps3 and 360 i believe

    50. mrBear
      11-30-2012
      10:45 AM
      50

      Originally Posted by OoZic
      typo? 2700 maybe?

      I looked for the fastest Windows laptops before I bought my 15" MacBook Pro Retina and MSI was I think the most expensive with the most features I wanted and the price was about 2500 euro....

      OT, the Wii-U runs very well here with BO-II, did only read about it using sub-HD, have to find out what that means.

      Funny note: My simple LG NAS is almost the same size as the Wii-U in standing up position, they fit very nice together. Takes much less space as the PS3
      Nope, 7200 mate. It has dual GTX 680ms. 32GB Ram. It was a Sager, but the price just dropped for my configuration.

    51. OoZic
      11-30-2012
      11:12 AM
      51

      Originally Posted by mrBear
      Nope, 7200 mate. It has dual GTX 680ms. 32GB Ram. It was a Sager, but the price just dropped for my configuration.
      Nice stuff I can imagine you say the power supply is like a brick. I (sadly) worked at Asus and there gaming laptops were also heavy as hell with bricks as power supply.... they delivered special backpacks for them to travel

      Didn't look that much for laptops after seeing their sizes and weight they still have and went for the sexy small Apple. Especially the Retina display is what made me choose that one. I think 7200 was overkill for me anyway

    52. GraVoX959
      11-30-2012
      11:45 AM
      52

      Originally Posted by OoZic
      Nice stuff I can imagine you say the power supply is like a brick. I (sadly) worked at Asus and there gaming laptops were also heavy as hell with bricks as power supply.... they delivered special backpacks for them to travel

      Didn't look that much for laptops after seeing their sizes and weight they still have and went for the sexy small Apple. Especially the Retina display is what made me choose that one. I think 7200 was overkill for me anyway
      Haha [MENTION=149549]mrBear[/MENTION] will talk to you about Apple products all day, he's their biggest fan

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

    53. mrBear
      11-30-2012
      11:26 PM
      53

      Originally Posted by GraVoX959
      Haha [MENTION=149549]mrBear[/MENTION] will talk to you about Apple products all day, he's their biggest fan

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
      Now you have formally ruined my day mentioning that patent troll fruity corporation.

    54. LoverboySimer
      11-30-2012
      11:26 PM
      54

      Originally Posted by McHaggis
      Someone else thinks that generations are based on power. See how many other things you can apply the same theory to.

      Let's take a look at the definitions of the word generation that could be applied to games consoles:

      gen�er�a�tion
      noun /ˌjenəˈrāSHən/ 
      generations, plural

      1. All of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively
      - one of his generation's finest songwriters
      The Wii, XBox 360 and the PS3 could all be considered as 'born and living' at about the same time.

      2. A set of members of a family regarded as a single step or stage in descent
      - a third-generation Canadian
      Each console could be considered as the next stage in descent from it's predecessor.

      3. A single stage in the development of a type of product
      - a new generation of rear-engined sports cars
      Can you argue with this one?

      If the Wii U was half as powerful as the Wii, it would still be the next generation. I'm tired of people saying that consoles are only 'next-gen' if they have the requisite power to compare with other consoles in the same generation.

      Ok than say it like that
      Nintendo is born today but living one generation behind...

      no matter you are born in 21st century but if u wear old clothes with a loosy hair style, girls will not fall for you... Think of customers as girls, nintendo born today but wearing same clothes actually a bit older what sony and microsoft are wearing from last 6 years

      I m not against them but when resources are available then why wait for 5 more years or why wait for Wii UU or wii u2. i dont know what it will be called lolz

    55. no0byme
      11-30-2012
      11:33 PM
      55

      Originally Posted by OoZic
      Nice stuff I can imagine you say the power supply is like a brick. I (sadly) worked at Asus and there gaming laptops were also heavy as hell with bricks as power supply.... they delivered special backpacks for them to travel

      Didn't look that much for laptops after seeing their sizes and weight they still have and went for the sexy small Apple. Especially the Retina display is what made me choose that one. I think 7200 was overkill for me anyway
      It's not overkill if you run games with mods. Crysis and Skyrim with graphic mods, for example. Really amazing stuff.

    56. bubblious3
      12-01-2012
      02:57 AM
      56

      Really...lol wow almost a whole thread of wii u bashers. Clearly no one here owns one.

    57. OoZic
      12-01-2012
      03:24 AM
      57

      Originally Posted by no0byme
      It's not overkill if you run games with mods. Crysis and Skyrim with graphic mods, for example. Really amazing stuff.
      No overkill for gaming, but overkill for my wallet
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Originally Posted by bubblious3
      Really...lol wow almost a whole thread of wii u bashers. Clearly no one here owns one.
      Than you didn't read the whole thread.... the Wii-U is running very nicely at my home

    58. japsander
      12-01-2012
      05:50 AM
      58

      Originally Posted by LoverboySimer
      Ok than say it like that
      Nintendo is born today but living one generation behind...

      no matter you are born in 21st century but if u wear old clothes with a loosy hair style, girls will not fall for you... Think of customers as girls, nintendo born today but wearing same clothes actually a bit older what sony and microsoft are wearing from last 6 years

      I m not against them but when resources are available then why wait for 5 more years or why wait for Wii UU or wii u2. i dont know what it will be called lolz
      you would be surprised how many girls go for the "retro" look

      nintendo are not a generation behind lol. it could be argued that sony/ms are trying to rush a generation, creating problems that take almost a generation to fix while nintendo still sell strong as hell.
      the ps3 was and still is poorly optimized, especially for multitasking whilst 360 was poorly built creating a couple of years of hardware hell

      rushing tech brings ylod/rrod and many other issues like poor ram ala ps3 which ****s over the skyrim lovers. i would rather companies really test and fix their **** before a release instead of bringing a super duper hardcore fast as **** piece of sh*t that breaks on me or simply cant perform

      on the girl analogy:
      sony/ms = the makeup plastered sluts
      nintendo = the pretty shy girl

    59. GraVoX959
      12-01-2012
      09:31 AM
      59

      All I care about is that the WiiU is actually HD.. The Wii was crap simply because it looked like dog spew on my plasma.. never owned one but letterbombed my sisters for her and tested.
      Dolphin however is great and makes the games look decent.

      Will definitely grab a WiiU one day.. not Sunday but one day

    60. bubblious3
      12-01-2012
      01:55 PM
      60

      Originally Posted by OoZic
      No overkill for gaming, but overkill for my wallet
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************


      Than you didn't read the whole thread.... the Wii-U is running very nicely at my home
      No I clearly seen you only.

    61. JustThatDude
      12-01-2012
      02:40 PM
      61

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      [MENTION=99471]kiwitothemax[/MENTION] Indeed im a hardcore WC fan.

      [MENTION=218762]JustThatDude[/MENTION] It's not mine is from some guy from a board im in (All WC related). He achieved to make that WC but you have to put the PS3 all time in vertical position, since the rad/reservoir/etc it's on the bottom.

      I will gladly do some tutorials, even with HQ videos on how to do this but i don't see many WC lovers over here :P if 40% of users are scared about getting banned, imagine someone trying to pump refrigerant into the PS3.
      Watercooling is so freaking hot it just makes it complete and in all honesty if companies went in a different direction of heat disapastion and went with wc then I could honestly see a huge market in wc and it being cheap

    62. LoverboySimer
      12-01-2012
      11:02 PM
      62

      Originally Posted by japsander
      you would be surprised how many girls go for the "retro" look

      nintendo are not a generation behind lol. it could be argued that sony/ms are trying to rush a generation, creating problems that take almost a generation to fix while nintendo still sell strong as hell.
      the ps3 was and still is poorly optimized, especially for multitasking whilst 360 was poorly built creating a couple of years of hardware hell

      rushing tech brings ylod/rrod and many other issues like poor ram ala ps3 which ****s over the skyrim lovers. i would rather companies really test and fix their **** before a release instead of bringing a super duper hardcore fast as **** piece of sh*t that breaks on me or simply cant perform

      on the girl analogy:
      sony/ms = the makeup plastered sluts
      nintendo = the pretty shy girl
      lolz, i rest my case but nintendo needs to make sure that their boobs are big enough to grab

    63. gangs_08
      12-02-2012
      11:16 AM
      63

      alright, pay some attention here about clock speed:

      (twitter)
      Hector Martin ‏[MENTION=60324]marcan[/MENTION]42

      "If you want more evidence that MHz isn't everything, a little birdie points out that Durango (Xbox 720) is specc'ed to have a 1.6GHz CPU. "

    64. JustThatDude
      12-02-2012
      04:26 PM
      64

      Originally Posted by gangs_08
      alright, pay some attention here about clock speed:

      (twitter)
      Hector Martin ‏[MENTION=60324]marcan[/MENTION]42

      "If you want more evidence that MHz isn't everything, a little birdie points out that Durango (Xbox 720) is specc'ed to have a 1.6GHz CPU. "
      What?! A 1.6GHz CPU? Bull**** that would be slower than the WII. No company would even consider that low of a GHz in any system now in the modern days where it would still cost around the same amount,

    65. japsander
      12-02-2012
      04:37 PM
      65

      depends on how many cores it has and how well it links to the rest of the system

      there is more to power than topline ghz alone.

      which has better performance? intel or AMD for like for like ghz cpu's? they should be the same right if ghz are all that matter?

      if the wii-u can push out 360/ps3 comparible performance on a 1.25ghz 3core cpu compared to 360/ps3 ghz+cores then why couldnt durango push higher on a 1.6ghz with more cores?

    66. mrBear
      12-03-2012
      01:09 PM
      66

      Originally Posted by japsander
      depends on how many cores it has and how well it links to the rest of the system

      there is more to power than topline ghz alone.

      which has better performance? intel or AMD for like for like ghz cpu's? they should be the same right if ghz are all that matter?

      if the wii-u can push out 360/ps3 comparible performance on a 1.25ghz 3core cpu compared to 360/ps3 ghz+cores then why couldnt durango push higher on a 1.6ghz with more cores?
      ^^This and...

      There is so many factors which I dont really want to discuss here, since too many people will assume they know better. In a nutshell, using a well designed processor, with optimized transistor layouts, a micro manufacturing process which put these tiny transistors closer to each other so less resistance, and using a RISC architecture, a lower clock speed doesnt mean lower performance. In a nutshell, to execute the same instruction could potentially need less clock cycles on a well designed chip.

      The WII U uses the power architecture instruction set, which cannot be compared to what an Intel for example offer. Cycles on instruction fetches and executes are greatly different. This is one main reason why some devs develop stunning games, and others laggy rubbish. The latter uses generic "container" apps which involves scripting, so they cannot optimize for the actual hardware. Crytek is one of the few who spend money on investigating the HW to optimize for it, some others not so much. If you know the hardware instruction set very well, your game will be superior if you know what you do.

      So back to my original point, lower clock means lower heat, less chance of failure due to badly designed heat management systems. But also, lower clock DOES NOT mean lower performance.

    67. OoZic
      12-03-2012
      02:15 PM
      67

      Let me add one more point to this: The PS3 and the Xbox 360 both use graphics processors based on DX9, the new Wii-U uses a graphic processor based on DX11

    68. Annelies
      12-03-2012
      02:47 PM
      68

      Originally Posted by OoZic
      Let me add one more point to this: The PS3 and the Xbox 360 both use graphics processors based on DX9, the new Wii-U uses a graphic processor based on DX11
      Yet the Wii U is getting none of the good multiplats and games like Far Cry 3 are no where to be seen on the platform. Nintendo is getting the shaft once again.

    69. OoZic
      12-03-2012
      03:13 PM
      69

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      Yet the Wii U is getting none of the good multiplats and games like Far Cry 3 are no where to be seen on the platform. Nintendo is getting the shaft once again.
      Here is the reason why:

      Following the publication of this story, a Ubisoft representative confirmed to GameSpot that Far Cry 3 will not be available for the Wii U because the system was not considered at the onset of development.

      "We will not be releasing Far Cry 3 on Wii U," reads a line from the statement. "The game has been in development for more than two years and at the time Wii U had not been considered."
      source: http://www.gamespot.com/news/no-far-...-wii-u-6396956

      You really think the Wii-U isn't capable to run FarCry 3

    70. GregoryRasputin
      12-03-2012
      03:16 PM
      70

      Originally Posted by OoZic
      You really think the Wii-U isn't capable to run FarCry 3
      He doesn't know what the Wii U is capable off, though if her does continue this anti Wii U stance, i will be forced to fly to America and turn a Wii U sideways and ram it up his candy ass

    71. OoZic
      12-03-2012
      03:20 PM
      71

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      He doesn't know what the Wii U is capable off, though if her does continue this anti Wii U stance, i will be forced to fly to America and turn a Wii U sideways and ram it up his candy ass
      I'll wait till he goes to visit the Anne Frank Museum in Amsterdam and do the same with the Wii-U controller to complete the picture

    72. Annelies
      12-03-2012
      03:21 PM
      72

      Originally Posted by OoZic
      You really think the Wii-U isn't capable to run FarCry 3
      Of course the developers are damage controlling with the whole "it's been in development for 2 years, we didn't consider the Wii U blah blah" excuse. I also never said the Wii U couldn't run Far Cry 3, if you remember correctly, I said it isn't getting it - which it isn't. Just another good multiplatform game that the poor boys at Nintendo missed out on. Add this to the rest of 'em.

      Also who cares about a DX11 capable GPU that is outputting games that look no better than their last-gen counterparts and at times performing even worse. Call of Duty dipping to 30fps? Give me a break.

    73. AlexBaka
      12-03-2012
      03:28 PM
      73

      Originally Posted by japsander
      you would be surprised how many girls go for the "retro" look
      i'm not a girl, but i would definetly go for new 2D Final Fantasy or Tales of...
      There is a reason why Square re-release again and again their FF 1-3, cause HQ drawn graphic is AWESOM.
      Try to put your PC beneath your TV and let's see if you can still hear the sound from the TV above the noise of all fans inside your PC ....
      Have a PC under the same screen I use for PS3 - no problem, bro.

    74. OoZic
      12-03-2012
      03:38 PM
      74

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      Of course the developers are damage controlling with the whole "it's been in development for 2 years, we didn't consider the Wii U blah blah" excuse. I also never said the Wii U couldn't run Far Cry 3, if you remember correctly, I said it isn't getting it - which it isn't. Just another good multiplatform game that the poor boys at Nintendo missed out on. Add this to the rest of 'em.

      Also who cares about a DX11 capable GPU that is outputting games that look no better than their last-gen counterparts and at times performing even worse. Call of Duty dipping to 30fps? Give me a break.
      CoD BO-II runs perfect here (60 fps) with 2 controllers.... I have the Wii-U pro controller (without the LCD screen) also
      Hell, even 2 gamepads will do, only thing is you have to turn off the LCD for one of the controllers for now.

      You want me to name all titles the Nintendo has that can't run on the PS3? I think the 'poor' boys at Nintendo laugh about your argument...

      And you can attack us what you want about the Wii-U, I will enjoy the best of both (ehh correction, looking at my console collection lots of) worlds above your PC fanboyism
      Try to put your PC beneath your TV and let's see if you can still hear the sound from the TV above the noise of all fans inside your PC ....

    75. Annelies
      12-03-2012
      03:52 PM
      75

      Originally Posted by OoZic
      CoD BO-II runs perfect here (60 fps) with 2 controllers.... I have the Wii-U pro controller (without the LCD screen) also
      Hell, even 2 gamepads will do, only thing is you have to turn off the LCD for one of the controllers for now.

      You want me to name all titles the Nintendo has that can't run on the PS3? I think the 'poor' boys at Nintendo laugh about your argument...

      And you can attack us what you want about the Wii-U, I will enjoy the best of both (ehh correction, looking at my console collection lots of) worlds above your PC fanboyism
      Try to put your PC beneath your TV and let's see if you can still hear the sound from the TV above the noise of all fans inside your PC ....
      Well then you are one of the lucky ones, aren't you?
      http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/26/36...ssues-on-wii-u

      The Wii U version of Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 suffers framerate problems not present in its PS3 and Xbox 360 counterparts, according to an in-depth breakdown from the tech statisticians at Digital Foundry.
      It's a shame, really. Also, I am not attacking you. How am I attacking you? I am sharing my feelings about the Wii U with you. Negative feelings, yes, but feelings nonetheless. You call me a PC fanboy, but I'm the one that's attacking you?

      It's a cold world.

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      He doesn't know what the Wii U is capable off, though if her does continue this anti Wii U stance, i will be forced to fly to America and turn a Wii U sideways and ram it up his candy ass
      If you came to California we probably wouldn't even talk about the Wii U or any of this Internet forum bullsh*t. We'd probably just have fun and enjoy the sites and sh*t around San Francisco, lol.

    76. gangs_08
      12-03-2012
      04:08 PM
      76

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      The Wii U version of Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 suffers framerate problems not present in its PS3 and Xbox 360 counterparts, according to an in-depth breakdown from the tech statisticians at Digital Foundry.

      when you will understand, that this kind of issue is not a problem because of the console, it is the developer behind that game. if you have problems like that, than the game isnt ported good enough. that has nothing to do with the strength of the console.
      but for sure: the wii u is also definitly stronger as the ps3/xbox360.
      so the strength isnt the problem at all.

    77. OoZic
      12-03-2012
      04:16 PM
      77

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      Well then you are one of the lucky ones, aren't you?
      http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/26/36...ssues-on-wii-u
      That has everything to do with the gamepad. They have to optimize the communications between the gamepad and the Wii-U itself a bit more in the future. Remember this is a brand new system and Nintendo rushed the release a bit to much (they even had no time to deliver it with the FW update, not even on an extra included disk). I also play BO-II the most with the Pro controller because I'm not that much used to the gamepad yet. 2 player experience only done with the LCD on the gamepad turned off because my brother doesn't like the light from the LCD while playing (needs to get used to that also...).

      It's a shame, really. Also, I am not attacking you. How am I attacking you? I am sharing my feelings about the Wii U with you. Negative feelings, yes, but feelings nonetheless. You call me a PC fanboy, but I'm the one that's attacking you?

      It's a cold world.
      Only negative feelings, that is the point. If there were only negative things about the Wii-U Nintendo wouldn't sell that much of them. Your comments about the PS3 aren't that positive also lately and only positive things you have to say is about PC gaming..... see my point?

      If you came to California we probably wouldn't even talk about the Wii U or any of this Internet forum bullsh*t. We'd probably just have fun and enjoy the sites and sh*t around San Francisco, lol.
      Well, San Francisco is one of the places I once want to visit in my life..... Mind if I take my PSP with me?

    78. JustThatDude
      12-04-2012
      06:25 PM
      78

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      If you came to California we probably wouldn't even talk about the Wii U or any of this Internet forum bullsh*t. We'd probably just have fun and enjoy the sites and sh*t around San Francisco, lol.
      Yo well if i ever came to cali to chill with ya we would be smoking all day and be to high to move cause cali bud is so dank but i got some sh*t from colorado yesterday and i was the most f*cked up I've ever been.