A story which originated on NeoGAF appears to suggest that SCEJ have created a method to prevent preowned, here is some info:
Inventors: Inooka, Hidehiro (Tokyo, JP)
Assignee: SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT INC. (Tokyo, JP)
Filing Date: 09/12/2012
Publication Date: 01/03/2013BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION
1. Field of the InventionThe present invention relates to a data processing technology, and more particularly to a technology for reproducing electronic content stored in a recording medium.
2. Description of the Related Art
Recent years have seen widespread use of terminal apparatuses, each provided with a drive for reading data from a recording medium, which processes electronic content stored in the recording media. The terminal apparatus, which is a game device, for instance, reads out a game application (hereinafter referred to as “game AP” also) recorded optically or magnetically in a recording medium such as DVD.
A technology of digital rights management (DRM) is introduced to prevent the electronic content from being used unlimitedly.
Typically, DRM is a technology for the prevention of the unlimited copy of electronic content. To this end, the inventor recognized that there are cases where it is difficult to suitably restrict the use of electronic content, stored in the recording medium like DVD and commercially traded, according to the attributes of use entities of the electronic content.
SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION
The present invention has been made in view of the aforementioned problems, and the main purpose thereof is to provide a technology for restricting the use of electronic content store in a recording medium according to the use entities of the electronic content.In order to resolve the above-described problems, an electronic content processing system according to one embodiment of the present invention includes: a use permission apparatus provided for use in a recording medium that stores electronic content for a user of the electronic content; a medium drive configured to read the electronic content from the recording medium; and a reproduction device configured to reproduce the electronic content read by the medium drive. The medium drive has a security management unit configured to read from the recording medium an article ID that is an ID of the electronic content or the recording medium. The reproduction device has a security management unit configured to convey a reproduction entity ID, which is a reproduction device ID or a user ID, together with the article ID read by the medium drive to the use permission apparatus when the electronic content is to be reproduced. The use permission apparatus includes: a use condition storage for storing a use condition that defines an attribute of an entity accessible to the electronic content; and a determining unit for determining whether or not a combination of the article ID and the reproduction entity ID conveyed from the reproduction device fulfills the use condition. The security management unit of the reproduction device determines a reproduction mode of the electronic content based on a decision result as to whether or not the combination thereof fulfills the use condition.
Another embodiment of the present invention relates also to an electronic content processing system. The electronic content processing system includes: a use permission apparatus provided for use in a recording medium that stores electronic content for a user of the electronic content; and a reproduction device configured to reproduce the electronic content stored in the recording medium. The reproduction device has a security management unit configured to convey a reproduction entity ID, which is a reproduction device ID or a user ID, when the electronic content is to be reproduced. The use permission apparatus includes: a use condition storage for storing a use condition that defines an attribute of an entity accessible to the electronic content; and a determining unit for determining whether or not the reproduction ID conveyed from the reproduction device fulfills the use condition. The security management unit of the reproduction device determines a reproduction mode of the electronic content based on a decision result as to whether or not the reproduction entity ID fulfills the use condition.
Still another embodiment of the present invention relates to a use permission apparatus. The user permission apparatus is an apparatus provided for use in a recording medium that stores electronic content for a use of electronic content, and the use permission apparatus includes: a use condition storage configured to store a use condition that defines an attribute of an entity accessible to the electronic content; a receiving unit configured to receive an ID of a reproduction entity ID, which is a reproduction device ID or a user ID, from the reproduction device that reproduces the electronic content stored in the recording medium; a determining unit configured to determine whether the reproduction entity ID conveyed from the reproduction device fulfills the use condition or not; and a conveying unit configured to convey a decision result, regarding whether the reproduction entity ID fulfills the use condition or not, to the reproduction device.
Still another embodiment of the present invention relates to an electronic content processing method. The method includes: conveying a reproduction entity ID, which is a reproduction device ID or a user ID, from a reproduction device, which is to reproduce electronic content stored in a recording medium, to a use permission apparatus provided for use in the recording medium for a user of the electronic content; determining whether the reproduction entity ID conveyed from the reproduction device fulfills a use condition or not, wherein the determining is performed by the user permission apparatus that references a use condition that defines an attribute of an entity accessible to the electronic content stored in a predetermined storage area; and determining a reproduction mode of the electronic content according to a decision result regarding whether the reproduction entity ID fulfills the use condition or not.
Still another embodiment of the present invention relates to a package of electronic content available in a commercial transaction. The package of electronic content includes and is supplied with: a recording medium storing the electronic content; a use permission apparatus configured to store a use condition of the electronic content and configured to determine whether the use condition is fulfilled or not, when an instruction is given to reproduce the electronic content from an external reproduction device.
Optional combinations of the aforementioned constituting elements, and implementations of the invention in the form of apparatuses, methods, systems, computer programs, recording media that store the programs, and so forth may also be effective as additional modes of the present invention.
Download the patent filing in PDF Format here:
United States Patent Application 20130007892
Sony spoke about the possibility to block pre owned games sales, several months before the PS3 was released, nothing happened then, so this patent might never actually amount to anythin.
01-03-2013
12:01 PM
Don't think Sony will use it just yet. But I can see this been useful in a few Gens. Sony's thinking ahead. Think of the Licensing deals to be had.
Thx for the Credit(Not) I posted this at 11.10, you normal credit the source of the news.
01-03-2013
12:10 PM
This kinda looks like another dongle Sony is making that authenticates what our system and user has control over. I dnt know y they dnt give ppl what they want n there system wod profit in every way.
01-03-2013
12:12 PM
If they did this then it would mean games would no longer be available for rental wouldn't it?
01-03-2013
12:18 PM
I was waiting on NeoGaf posting the actual patent...
01-03-2013
12:22 PM
Yup yup, if sony uses this u can kiss gamefly and redbox goodbye, we as the consumer wouldnt be able sell or lend games anymore either
01-03-2013
12:25 PM
Sony's epic quest to not make me buy their products continues.
01-03-2013
12:30 PM
The world is going digital. Once physical media is dead nobody will care about second-hand DRM anyway.
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01-03-2013
12:32 PM
And To Think Some People Will Be Standing Idly By And Do Nothing Something Tells Me This Will Be Another DEJA-VU (OTHER OS on PS3) Aso Soon As They See Something They Dont Like They Will Start To Use As Much Power As They Possibly Can To Stop Them.
I Love My PS3 And So Does My Kids But Some Overpower Companies Are Just Taking Advantage Of Everything they Can As Long As The $$$ Keeps Rolling In.
I Will No Longer Purchase Any $ony Product Just For The Stuff We See From Them .
The Resell Of A System Is Mostly Base on Games they Can Buy Once u Cant Buy Used Games Most People will Just Discard The Systems Or Look For An Alternative
01-03-2013
12:32 PM
I'm Looking at this in a different way. The game will acquire the console ID when you insert the game in your console for the first time. Regarding the Rental market, they will probably have available on the store a licence for the user to buy in order to use the pre owned game ( i don't think sony will be that dumb in this point) i'm looking at this as a CFW user. if the game acquires the console id the first time it loads up in your console and will no longer work in another console, that means if you make a backup of your game to an HDD, and share it online, the game will not work, due to the console id protection. of course there will be a way around it after a while, but a cfw user will surely, risk going online and buy a licence to play in their cfw ps.
01-03-2013
12:36 PM
pathetic. What business is it of theirs what we do with the game after we complete it and/or have no use for it? Should we just toss it in the garbage and add to the mountainous piles of garbage across the globe?
01-03-2013
01:01 PM
And when your console dies your screwed.
Add this to any console and ill not buy it.
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01-03-2013
01:06 PM
Thats not nice.
01-03-2013
01:16 PM
Personally I support this. It is because by buying a game I want to thank the developers for their hard work and if I buy used copy then it's just giving money to some dude (no better than just downloading a pirated version). Go ahead call me a faget, but what I said is 100% truth.
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Better idea: when you buy a game, only small percent of profit goes to developers. So why not make a re-activation system of used games - when you want to play used game on another console you must activate it by sending this small percent of money directly to developers account ?
01-03-2013
01:24 PM
The better idea exists, its called an online pass.
01-03-2013
01:24 PM
money power scumbags.......those guys really wanna control it all, once bought it's mine..what part they don't get? renting for life
no PS4 for me, i couldn't affort it anyway, but more should leave this brand alone and this pattent, isn't such thing illegal in Europe, but yeah those companies get away with anything right....they can shove it...u know where....
01-03-2013
01:43 PM
If this scheme doesn't have some sort of source online then I don't see this working as well as they plan, unless the discs themselves have some sort of writable region. A completely offline second hand prevention is kinda impossible otherwise IMO.
01-03-2013
01:48 PM
Why not just go fully digital?... Cut out the case, the disc, manuals, production cost, distribution cost... Wala games at cheaper prices! Thinking if they went that route they could shave off 20$ or so down to 40 a game.. They could also do digital rentals with gaika. No more greedy gamestop giving you 15$ for your used games then going around selling them for 55.. And once your done with the digital game if you want you can sell your license back to the publisher for a discount on one of their other games. Kinda like a hey look I supported you man let me get a little discount type thing.
01-03-2013
01:52 PM
I'm thinking there using a dongle to write the authentication 2 as a activation of some sort searching for the matching numbers n would possibly work in offline mode for just that console but we all know how dongles handle n every 1 of them is different
01-03-2013
01:53 PM
Sony is like Shinra Corp from FF VII ... , for a Capitalism System, against a free World !
01-03-2013
02:04 PM
I think the technology is already there. If you look at PlayStation All-Stars for PS3. To get the PS Vita download you have to register/link the disc with your account and once its there it cannot be used by any other account.
Truthfully DRM will end up killing the industry. Dont tell me stuff about how used game sales hurt the devs/pubs because they dont. People have been selling used games at yard sales forever and its never mattered before. A sale is a sale it shouldnt matter what I do with it after I buy it or who's shelf it sits on.
01-03-2013
02:23 PM
If you are in the EU, they cannot do a thing about it.
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You can sell your software on however you choose to, this includes physical media or purely digital download.
They can set in practice whatever they wish to prevent multiple copies being used at the same time, but in the EU, unless you purchase software which has a time based license, then their 'exclusive rights' clause has no bearing or validity after the initial sale...... Unless the ruling has been changed since it came in on 03/07/12 (numbers used the correct way
01-03-2013
02:24 PM
Here in Europe it is against the law what $ony wants, selling a product from second hand has got no restrictions from the fabricant.
01-03-2013
03:20 PM
get used "not to own" anything more people, now u rent, u licence, so you can pay forever! thats captalism in the 21th.
judges dont give a f...k about this, as long as politicians are getting they're money they dont do it also
and it doesnt matter what you think you're NOTHING!
microsoft release xbox knowing they had serious hardware problems
sony does whatever it wants with their users, never asking or looking around for what the consumer wants
whenever MONEY PLAYS, it never loses
01-03-2013
03:23 PM
01-03-2013
04:24 PM
Anyway im not a fanboy or a human which dont think with his own mind (thx god) , if Sony will go this way im out ... !
even some smart DEV crack this shxx
01-03-2013
04:33 PM
Capitalism at its finest :S
01-03-2013
04:36 PM
FIRST UP I THINK THIS MOVE FROM SONY REALLY SUCKS. But please continue reading, they cant help but be anally retarded.
) business cultures from around the world. The long standing Japanese method of corporate life was and to a large extent still is jobs for life. You were educated joined a large corporation like Sony or Nintendo and you worked with them till you retired. They were like your family, they took care of you blah blah blah... you were part of a Gang which you couldn't leave. If you disgraced the gang, well then you were either taken out or you did the noble thing of taking your own life (I don't think its noble, but I am not one to judge someone else's culture). Why is this relevant? Well it leads to you being loyal to the company, the shareholders. And therefore when you acted to increase LONG TERM wealth it was with the understanding that you must not only woo new customers but also retain the old ones. you had to treat them right (Like Sony did back in the 1990's).
Most (I say most because some of you have already seen it) of you need to see an old documentary movie called "The Corporation". Honestly watch it, then think of how Sony acts.
Facts to note:
1 - The Corporation is legally the equivalent of a person. Meaning it can be sued and can sue others
2 - The Shareholders & Upper management of the Corporation cannot be sued or prosecuted against anything the Corporation might do
3 - The Upper Management have the legal obligation to maximize Shareholder long term wealth
what this boils down to is upper management executives big corporations will make those decisions which go to make the shareholders richer. screw the environment, screw the customer (us) screw everyone, they are legally obliged to maximize the wealth of the owners of the corporation (lts illegal for them not to screw us for as long as possible). If this means killing people then fine they will, because they can say "Sony (or whatever corporation), killed the people, not us". So it is all done for the shareholders, so you might then think that the shareholders are liable (civil) or prosecutable (criminal) for the actions of their corporations. But this is where it gets really sick. They are not. The corporation being a legally alive entity like a person is responsible for the crimes it commits not anyone else. That follows the principle that you cannot be charged with murder if your son went and killed someone and fled the country. It doesn't matter your son killed that person for you.
I have said all that above to highlight that Sony does not give a flying f!@k what happens to us the customer, so long as they turn a profit... sorry not just turn a profit but MAXIMIZE their profits.
This legal nonsense is what governs corporations across the world.
The thing I believe that really pisses us off is why did Sony (our THEN friend, we would beat up Nintendo fans for) has turned from the gamers and developers choice console in the 1990s to this corporate money grabbing evil son of a one legged prostitute whore monster in the 2nd decade of the new millennium.
That comes from the understanding of the term "maximize LONG TERM wealth" As Sony grew in size and domination they assimilated (like the BORG
On the other side of the Pacific (The States) the mindset was and still is that "Jobs are NOT for life" its 'Ford' today 'GM' tomorrow. With that comes the attitude to show great jumps in wealth in the shorter term... in your term of employment. Employees do not care about the company they work for as much as say the Japanese do. So long as they show they increase profits drastically in the last quarter its all good.
I am not saying that the American way is not the correct way, but I am explaining that when Sony grew to be a large worldwide force. It really had to let in the international (American) way of upper management. Which is essentially more 'hunting' vs 'farming' your current livestock (money paying customers).
We all moan about Sony being this evil horrid being. Now you know why. They couldn't help it. It was inevitable. It is the way corporations are structures.
Now in this scenario the question is what can we (the customer) do? Well what we can do is seek out newer alternatives. If you remember Sony back in the early 90s was developing the Nintendo equivalent of Sega's Mega CD. Nintendo was a horrid corporate monster back in those days and had to grown to be in the same position Sony is in today. It had become become overly Americanized. Anyone 'John Conner' take the piss out of kids who played on their 'Nintendo' in a funny voice in Terminator 2. Penetrating the American market is no sin but a great achievement. Their mistake was letting the corporate culture of America dictate how that company was run. Nintendo used to bully its suppliers and extort its customers. 3rd party game developers were given little or no help to make games for Nintendo. Its was only when Sega's Mega CD flopped and Nintendo cancelled the near completion Nintendo Playstation made by Sony did a change happen. Sony complained to the head of the family of companies (Japan corporate culture is that large corporates work in families much like cartels) it and Nintendo belonged to that they were allowed to enter the gaming market in competition to Sony (SEGA were from a different family) Well what happened next is history, Sony entered and dominated the gaming market.
Nintendo today seems to be humbled and well to be honest they had the **** kicked out of them by Sony. They developers (Namco and Capcom especially) loved Sony, special teams were sent out to the developers to help them write for the Sony machine. SOny sold the black CDs to them so they could press the games and retail them themselves instead of having the game being distributed by sony like nintendo did. But now Sony has become Nintendo, while Nintendo because of competition has been humbled. We die hard fans of Sony have resisted Microsofts advances. Even though those who converted claim they would never turn back to Sony. Well if MS policies continue to be not so anti consumer then we should go for the 720. If they match Sony toe to toe in stupidity when it comes to customer and developer relations I would say lets all just boycott the next gen. I mean our current gen games are still very very good in terms of graphics and game play. And the next gen might be a hell of a lot more powerful but would we really noticing the difference that much... OK some people maintain we will, the question is would it be worth the cost. We all have to do a Cost-Benefit analysis for ourselves that can we abstain from the next gen. I certainly might.
Sorry this post kind of turned into an article
01-03-2013
04:57 PM
This is bad because of :
your system breaks, you buy a new one. you have to rebuy all the games.
you see a new model of the system you buy the new model, you have to rebuy all the games.
There are so many ways to break the system like bad firmware flash, electrical surge, part of the system dies, etc.
01-03-2013
05:07 PM
Maybe you guys really should be supporting the devs if you like their games by buying them NEW anyways.
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01-03-2013
05:10 PM
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01-03-2013
05:17 PM
Or to use the old adage......... Money doesn't grow on trees lol
01-03-2013
05:34 PM
I purchase my legit games on torrent sites. (makes sense..) jokes aside i have all retail games nothing purchased over PSN, logic dictates that if i buy a BOOK i need it on this dimension to read it, not in some site or those ****ty e-books. (Only have 3 games so far on steam).
Welcome to 100% digital ERA where you don't own a box with some crazy design but some kind of 3D representation of the game/book/etc you want.
Embrace it or just die trying.
01-03-2013
05:49 PM
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01-03-2013
06:37 PM
Sony has always bin about the money and always will be but they are goin down hill and we all know if this is what they will do it will be hacked due to there methods just to screw them over just like the ps3.
01-03-2013
06:37 PM
Selling our old games help us buy new games...not being able to sell our old games may mean lesser capability to purchase new games and lesser money for the dev.
01-03-2013
06:52 PM
I have woundered if they still get paid for the redistribution for the games even tho they are bein sold 2nd hand. You walk into a game shop in Canada and ps1 and ps2 games are bein sold at 60 bucks a shot almost like brand new. Even some of the ps3 games arnt even that much
01-03-2013
08:12 PM
I think if [MENTION=109298]Annelies[/MENTION] lived on his own and had bills to pay, perhaps he would look at life differently.
01-03-2013
08:50 PM
"The verdict springs from a clash between tech behemoth Oracle and German organisation UsedSoft, which lets people buys used licenses for software. Oracle tried to stamp out the practice, but the court has sided with UsedSoft."
"The ruling seems to deal specifically with licences that can be resold -- there's currently no way to sell Android or iOS apps you've purchased, and it's hard to know to what extent this decision will affect digital downloads like apps or games, and whether companies such as EA could be forced to change their processes as a result. I've reached out to these companies for some extra comment on this story, and I'll update this article if I hear back."
Currently once you've finished with a PS3 game you can sell it to someone else and they can play it. This ruling says that Sony have no way to stop you from selling it.
However if the software has DRM that stops it being used on a 2nd console, then you are still free to sell the disc but if you've already played it the buyer won't be able to use it for anything other than a coaster. The EUCD will prevent you breaking the DRM.
Unless there is another case that forbids DRM that cannot be transferred then Sony don't have a problem.
01-03-2013
08:57 PM
I miss the days of being able to pop in a game and start playing right away. I hate this whole "wait an hour for the game to download, and 30 to 40 more minutes for the game to install" business. It absolutely fukcing sucks.
01-03-2013
09:30 PM
Every time Sony tries to make a new console new DRM goes on games even steam does this but it is all they can do but guys will always get around it. Even steam games you can get around with a program if you know how to do it yourself and takes little effort. So even if Sony does this there will always be a workaround
01-03-2013
09:46 PM
I ****ing dare u sony I will lol at u everytime i walk by your system.....cant wait to see the sleazy stuff MS and Fony got lined up next gen ....if things arent done right i will easily buy that oyou or whatever it costs and support devs not companies...well u know waht i mean....do it sony ur already digging a grave as we read this!
01-03-2013
10:50 PM
Support the devs? Sure, just like how we support singers and song writers when we buy new CDs and legal downloads; 90% of the money goes to the publishers not the creators.
01-03-2013
10:52 PM
This will lead to pirated games bypassing this DRM rubbish but not on PSN.
01-03-2013
11:43 PM
The perception of "real life", much like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder...
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I am glad that with PC gaming (Steam in particular) I am unable to buy used games and I think it should be that way for everybody.
01-04-2013
12:19 AM
surprised no one has said anything about this..what about taking a game over to a friends house to play..now you are going to have to lug your system with you..just to play a game..pffftt..screw that..
01-04-2013
12:25 AM
01-04-2013
01:12 AM
01-04-2013
01:53 AM
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Isn't that just a flow chart as would be needed for a patent application? It doesn't mean they are anywhere near finishing it though, likely a basic explanation for those over the hill people who work at a patent office.
It wouldn't work except for digital distribution, or physical distribution with the caveat of needing uniquely identifiable code either on the media (this won't happen due to massive costs involved) or a one use code...which we already have in the form of season passes.
The only way a code accompanying the non unique distribution media could be verified is online. This would mean that anyone using the PS4 will have to have an internet connection to the verifying server to make the game work.
This won't happen, I'm sure it will have been discussed at Sony HQ and I'm sure the same at Microsoft, I just can't see it actually happening due to not enough people having an internet connection in countries that aren't up there with the West but not as poor as some eastern ones. I'm thinking Mexico and further south, eastern Europe.
Not going to happen, but the reason you will have seen this flow chart is because a patent needs to be filed long before actually being granted so it could well just be a safety measure to cover themselves if this eventually does make it into widespread use, but with the added benefit of being able to license the technology therefore generating more revenue.
...Maybe...
01-04-2013
01:54 AM
At least, it'll backfire on them. The more they try to 'restrict' consoles, the more likely it'll be hacked to the ground. Especially with that, I won't doubt that some hackers will try (from 0day release) to counter it/hack it.
As long as its hacked, I'll buy it from from the second hand market. Win-win without Sony touching my hard earned money.
01-04-2013
02:04 AM
You guys aren't gonna buy Sony products again because of this? I call bull****.
So when M$ and Nintendo also adopt similar methods, what are you guys gonna do? Quit gaming all together?
01-04-2013
02:16 AM
01-04-2013
02:19 AM
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01-04-2013
02:32 AM
my only Sony's products is 3 PS3's now,. never gonna buy another (TV, Audio,Video etc).
01-04-2013
03:49 AM
FAIL. They do that to prevent/fight used games market but what they succeed instead is give a motive to hackers/devs that are against piracy and go for it instead and be pirates themselfs, and turn midle-class consumers to pure pirates. Not to mention that instead of clearing up the whole mess/curse that follows them they add up more reasons for somebody to boycoot them for life. I want to see how this will end, because it's not going to end good, it's too late.
There are some people that do care about their rights, the fact that you don't doesn't make everybody else a liar or give them a reason to care or make your opinion that we say b******* solid.
Worst case scenario is that I'm going to be a pure shameless pirate and I am going to be the last person to blame about it.
01-04-2013
06:18 AM
To say I'd never buy another Sony product is ignorant, but their actions just put me off buying one unless I see it dirt cheap or there are allot of games for it.
To me this is shooting themselves in the foot because I rent allot of games these days and buy the ones I think are worth it or keep me going until good ones are out.
Plus I've sold games in the past to buy new games, one time even putting the money towards a PS3.
01-04-2013
08:29 AM
01-04-2013
08:49 AM
Also supporting these guys only helps support the idea that what you buy is not your own, maybe you are fine with that but I am not.
Then again this could be nothing more than Sony with more patents.
01-04-2013
10:05 AM
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01-04-2013
10:57 AM
01-04-2013
11:02 AM
Looks like PC Gaming will be the only reliable gaming system in the future.
01-04-2013
11:05 AM
Main three reasons I never buy a game when it's launched:
1. Incomplete (they'll release the rest of the story later via Paid DLC)
2. Terrible (Boring broken game and filled with glitches/bugs)
3. Overpriced (Ridiculous price)
After 3-6 months the price has decreased, but the used copies are usually cheaper, and when it's "used - like new" I have no reason to refuse it.
Except, for those with Online Pass, I'd hate to re-buy it for 800 MSP.
01-04-2013
12:52 PM
Have a feeling this is a ploy by Sony to force used games companies to hand back some of the profits they making on used games to the devs/publishers. If they don't they close the market that feeds them, getting others like MS, Ninty, EA, Sega, Ubisoft etc on board would do that.
01-04-2013
12:56 PM
the only reason i will probably buy a ps4 is for gt6 (game actually takes enough of my time that i feel buying it new is worth it).... i'm going to buy a ps4 used though i'm tired of sony's crap, and all this bs about devs not getting money from games...
"1. Incomplete (they'll release the rest of the story later via Paid DLC)
2. Terrible (Boring broken game and filled with glitches/bugs)
3. Overpriced (Ridiculous price)" - fanboysarestupid
if gaming companies would work on their games for a year longer debugging and release a complete game, then i would pay full price for the game, but if they continue to release half-complete pieces of crap and then want to charge me more for DLC that they had done before the game was even released screw them! i'm not supporting crappy devs anymore... i'm tired of seeing the same crap in every new game that comes out. (i'm not saying gt6 devs are holy or good, but the driving aspect of the game is always good, and really hope they dont make it so freakin hard to get cars like the current ucd in gt5)
01-04-2013
03:25 PM
well sony can kiss my hairy ass
01-04-2013
03:53 PM
EA are not Devs. When EA makes a game it is usually made by another 2nd tier dev, who could and this is for real be outsourcing up to 90% of the coding to the 3rd world. Yes that is right Mr Patel/Apu (from Simpsons, i couldn't help myself sorry
So when people keep saying support the developer, support the developer! to me that sounds like we must support the Egyptian slaves buy allowing Pharaoh build his bloody Sphinx or Pyramid. But that is okay as long as the poor slave who is shat on, screwed from every orifice slave thinks he has made it in the world. he has got a job, he counts... No friend you only count as a statistic!