• I just got this from crunch. Not that I’m a crunchtard or anything like that, but I was looking for news regarding backing up PSX discs.

    I’ll try to tidy up and organize mM’s source code and will make it public in few weeks. There is nothing hidden there and I know a lot of coders will hate the 60 000 lines of multiman.cpp and will call-out my poor coding skills again like they did 2 years ago, but there you are.

    I wonder if we will see some cobra lines in there.

    It seems that he cannot compete with Iris Manager or does not want to compete with it. 

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  • 95 Comments

    1. GregoryRasputin
      01-28-2013
      03:36 PM
      1

      Originally Posted by Hannibal1471 View Post
      I just got this from crunch.
      About time, im proud of you [MENTION=114607]deank[/MENTION]

    2. Psyco-87s
      01-28-2013
      03:53 PM
      2

      this is good news!! a step in the right direction

    3. LoboGuara
      01-28-2013
      03:56 PM
      3

      This is great news! Respect +1

    4. deroad
      01-28-2013
      03:56 PM
      4

      D: he wants to be me D: Noooooooo XD

      good move deank. now only your ego needs to be resetted xD

    5. oPolo
      01-28-2013
      04:00 PM
      5

      Woah I'm glad to read that :D Not only is it nice to hear, that something is going open source <3 Now maybe, all the bull**** (sorry, but that is how I see it, when there is an alternative called ignoring) about MultiMan can stop... It really is detrimental for the site/scene, to always be flooded with negative news, or negatively intertwenings in the news. It was the same with Mathieulh back then... If he was that big a problem (and if he really liked the fame), it would have been better to ignore him then, and either see him release and help, or not.
      Maybe not everyone sees it that way, but most would ordinary users most likely think that the scene and sites would be better without, regardless of who it was that started it. (Most likely the more passive users wouldn't even understand or have enough background knowledge, to know what was going on).


      It's going to be interesting seeing, how it will affect the other backupmanagers, and to what degree they will incorporate MM features. Most likely, they will stay pure backup, but will have a few releases in a row shortly after MM goes open source, to accomodate for the increased info released to the scene regarding backup managers from Deank.

      Regardless of whether you view Iris or MM as the best backupmanager, both of them probably has some useful tweaks and ways of doing things after all, that the other can benefit of, regardless of the manager.

    6. Hannibal1471
      01-28-2013
      04:02 PM
      6

      I'm really curious to know if we will be able to see some cobra lines in there ...

    7. Psyco-87s
      01-28-2013
      04:10 PM
      7

      Originally Posted by Hannibal1471 View Post
      I'm really curious to know if we will be able to see some cobra lines in there ...
      i was thinking the same thing but i think thats what the couple of weeks clean up is

    8. GregoryRasputin
      01-28-2013
      04:10 PM
      8

      Originally Posted by Hannibal1471 View Post
      I'm really curious to know if we will be able to see some cobra lines in there ...
      Some ass hole said this on IRC...

      [20:54:51] <GregoryRasputin> Cleaning up = removing Cobra code ?

    9. stevorkz
      01-28-2013
      04:11 PM
      9

      Good news, even though I smell a rat somewhere in there. Reason being its quite obvious he wont include any cobra code whatsoever so probably what he means by "tidying up", is removing cobra code.

      Perhaps there will be two Multimans now. The open source original and the non open source cobra manager that he will continue getting $ for. Just a thought

    10. Psyco-87s
      01-28-2013
      04:15 PM
      10

      Originally Posted by stevorkz View Post
      Good news, even though I smell a rat somewhere in there. Reason being its quite obvious he wont include any cobra code whatsoever so probably what he means by "tidying up", is removing cobra code.

      Perhaps there will be two Multimans now. The open source original and the non open source cobra manager that he will continue getting $ for. Just a thought
      sounds like a move that could be made with the 2 multimans so he will stop doing non cobra and make the cobra'less' multiman for others to update.. i might be wrong but you never know with this scene

    11. rafa11
      01-28-2013
      04:45 PM
      11

      I like the fact that [MENTION=114607]deank[/MENTION] will finally release the code of multiMAN.
      This will stop the useless wave of updates that have been hitting the scene for the last few months.
      I'll probably change to Iris Manager any time soon anyway.
      It would be cool if in the near future we could see a symbiosis between multiMAN and Iris Manager.

    12. jivex5k
      01-28-2013
      04:48 PM
      12

      Awesome!
      Looking forward to seeing Iris Multimanager

    13. skelator03
      01-28-2013
      04:49 PM
      13

      I bet he stops updating the non cobra version. That's what i would do since all the hate. Make it open source and say here you go, you wanted it now update it like I do and add new features. Just as stated above though no clue with this scene.

    14. gmitesh90
      01-28-2013
      04:51 PM
      14

      when did deank and mm become evil??? o_O

    15. GregoryRasputin
      01-28-2013
      04:59 PM
      15

      Originally Posted by gmitesh90 View Post
      when did deank and mm become evil??? o_O
      When people woke up

    16. toolz
      01-28-2013
      05:06 PM
      16

      Originally Posted by Hannibal1471 View Post
      I'm really curious to know if we will be able to see some cobra lines in there ...
      Wouldn't he just edit the code and take out what he don't want people to see?

    17. lolilolz
      01-28-2013
      05:08 PM
      17

      nice move to put it back to open source again

    18. gmitesh90
      01-28-2013
      05:25 PM
      18

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      When people woke up
      I mean what did he do??

    19. mind
      01-28-2013
      06:09 PM
      19

      Multiman is going open source. Why? It seems that it is something wrong in the relationship with the Cobra-team. I hope that Deank will continue to update multiman.

    20. Isleofdoom
      01-28-2013
      06:12 PM
      20

      Sweet move Deank but I doubt that he will release cobra code as he is making money off it. N besides its 2 seperate managers/ tools. It has a lot of things 2 it I have always liked it but has a lot of clutter aswel.

    21. snkysnake02
      01-28-2013
      06:29 PM
      21

      whats this crap? Deank and Cobra having a domestic fight? did cobra push Deank down the stairs cause he told them he wasnt bloated but in fact pregnant?

    22. LoboGuara
      01-28-2013
      06:39 PM
      22

      As much as I agree with the speculations, I think it is better to wait before drawing conclusions about deank motivations. I know, I sounded like an stupid relativist, but only time will clarify his true motivations and intentions.

    23. ernster
      01-28-2013
      06:44 PM
      23

      plugins is what mm needs, that's my 2 cents. That way it can be just a simple backup manager with no bloat or a file manager as well ...or even just a file manager ...or...

      if mm loaded plugins somebody might even be able to code a game trainer for it like cwcheat for psp and other cool stuff, if it's possible

      then at least people who moan about all the unnecessary features can choose whether to install them or not .

    24. jamesst20
      01-28-2013
      06:49 PM
      24

      Nice ! Then Iris Manager as nothing better anymore then Multiman other then PS2 Backward games

    25. anaria
      01-28-2013
      07:10 PM
      25

      Woooh, be it open!

    26. Nimation
      01-28-2013
      08:11 PM
      26

      great news.
      to be frank, I never hated dean, though he let the scene down badly but I don't blame him at all. it's just the magic of money. the thing is, I'm still using multiMAN and I believe it's the best PS3 app ever.
      he has my respect for that. come to think about it, I would probably do the same if I were him which I'm not, obviosly. I just hope he was hit by a giant asteroid and had his brain blown up and would release cobra codes as well . peace

    27. Theeze
      01-28-2013
      08:23 PM
      27

      I think this has to do with Estwald calling out Deank that he takes code but never shares it.

    28. BlindPirate13
      01-28-2013
      09:42 PM
      28

      Multiman Cobra Manager Is Now A Dead Project, Cobra Is Not Making Any More Dongles.
      They Are Mobinh On Their Optical Drive Emulator & Multiman Is No Longer Needed

      Soon I Am 100% The Cobra Payload Will Be Released.

      At The End It Would Leave You With 2 Options:

      1. Enjoy All Cobra Features With No Dongle & Stay Offline
      2. Go With The ODE & Enjoy PSN With Your Isos

    29. snkysnake02
      01-28-2013
      09:48 PM
      29

      [MENTION=249624]Theeze[/MENTION]

      I agree, and you gotta love when top devs callout the low life devs who steal others codes, mashes it with more of others open source stuff then locks them up and claims there his

      mad respect to Estwald if in someway he was behind this ^_^

    30. mastermold
      01-29-2013
      01:19 AM
      30

      Why all the cobra haters?????

      is it because no one. copied it for this long????

      i bought cobra and was happy, my only complaint, was the dongle
      fell apart after 1 year, but i have no complaints

      Ill bet you Gregory owns a cobra dongle???
      and Gregory has Multiman toooo,


      Multiman is the best back up out there, hands down
      only exception is still prob w h-264 mkv playback problems
      and mkv playback from Externals, other wise Multiman is King,

      Why so much Drama.
      Gregory go back to playing Angry birds ok,,,,,,,,

      ps3 scene is over in less than a year........


      UP the Irons Ironmaiden is gonna get you no matter who you are...................

    31. GregoryRasputin
      01-29-2013
      02:06 AM
      31

      Originally Posted by mastermold View Post
      Ill bet you Gregory owns a cobra dongle???
      and Gregory has Multiman toooo,
      No, i would never and will never buy a reDRM device.
      And no, i do not use multiMAN, though i did before deank sold out.


      Originally Posted by mastermold View Post
      Multiman is the best back up out there, hands down
      only exception is still prob w h-264 mkv playback problems
      and mkv playback from Externals, other wise Multiman is King,
      Wrong, multiMAN does not play those files, Showtime does and multiMAN just links to the Showtime .self, Showtime isn't even part of multiMAN.

      Originally Posted by mastermold View Post
      Why so much Drama.
      Gregory go back to playing Angry birds ok,,,,,,,,

      I will go back to my angry birds, once ive finished playing on your fathers meat whistle, is that ok with you Granddad ?

    32. vaalir
      01-29-2013
      02:32 AM
      32

      meat whistles > angry birds. ANY DAY!

    33. DEFAULTDNB
      01-29-2013
      03:06 AM
      33

      Probably a dumb question but what stops us (attempting) to reverse/decompile multiman binaries as it is?

    34. SuperDre
      01-29-2013
      03:54 AM
      34

      that's what's really wrong with this ps3 scene, even now he open sources his code he get's flamed for it by a lot of people.. man, be greatfull to deank to even have multiman, other than Irismanager there is no-one else who even tried to make another manager..
      You people should stop *****ing at coders (even if they try to keep stuff for themselves, which IMHO is something I understand seeing the comments of a lot of morons (who are only interested in illegale games and not homebrew) and go create something yourself, with the current CFW's we can do a lot... If you want to play the latest games, then just go and update to OFW or buy a second PS3..

    35. ViperMM
      01-29-2013
      04:02 AM
      35

      Originally Posted by DEFAULTDNB View Post
      Probably a dumb question but what stops us (attempting) to reverse/decompile multiman binaries as it is?
      Nothing. Go read KDSBest's guide and you can do it. The reason it probably hasn't been attempted is it would be kind of a waste. Most of the features would be pointless to reverse since they either came from deank being a copy paste coder or b directly from someone on this scene. So, basically this means that it could be reversed but our local and scene devs should focus on whatever targets they have with Sony's infrastructure be it Ps3, PsV, Omni (probably where you should be if you're truly a dev), or even the dreaded SEN.

    36. DEFAULTDNB
      01-29-2013
      04:30 AM
      36

      Originally Posted by ViperMM View Post
      Nothing. Go read KDSBest's guide and you can do it.
      I'm no dev, so I wont be reversing anything anytime soon.

      I just thought it may be useful to look into the cobra aspects before deank releases a "cleaned up" version that might remove cobra's work.

      Comparing the PSX iso loading to what we have now thanks to Hermes, could possibly yield further results, and bring more cobra features to the masses without sh!tty reDRM?

    37. Dried paint
      01-29-2013
      07:15 AM
      37

      Originally Posted by DEFAULTDNB View Post
      I'm no dev, so I wont be reversing anything anytime soon.

      I just thought it may be useful to look into the cobra aspects before deank releases a "cleaned up" version that might remove cobra's work.

      Comparing the PSX iso loading to what we have now thanks to Hermes, could possibly yield further results, and bring more cobra features to the masses without sh!tty reDRM?
      He wont remove Cobra code.. quite simply because the multiMAN you have now is essentially 2 different multiMANs.
      Once installed look inside the folder, there is DAT0 and DAT1
      DAT0 (if I remember right) is mmCM, it will only load if the dongle is in the console.
      If there is no dongle it will load DAT1 (regular mM).
      You could remove the Cobra DAT and essentially have a no "reDRM bull****" multiMAN.
      Now as to reversing the Cobra DAT, good luck with that.. The normal mM DAT is easy.
      Even if you did reverse it, I seriously doubt you would find anything in there. It simply shows what the dongle makes available... which would be only useful IF this Opencobra ever comes to light. If it did Im pretty sure Dean would add it all to normal mM
      The REAL "magic" happens on the dongle itself

    38. brakk3n
      01-29-2013
      09:24 AM
      38

      It's sort of ironic to see people talking down about a developer for weeks and one post that doesn't even contain the source for the developers work makes them do a 180.

      As for tidy/cleaning up code that usually means rearranging and removing things so it's more readable for others as with most projects people tend to leave unneeded code.

      For it containing any of the Cobra's features there would be no guarantee they would even work if left intact; but I didn't see DeanK mentioning he'd be releasing the code to the Cobra Edition of mM. Even so he may not have the rights to publish the code due to agreements with Cobra.

      I doubt you'll see any Cobra related code as he didn't mention releasing the source for that branch of mM.

      As for you 180's you make me sick.

    39. Simonbuck
      01-29-2013
      09:28 AM
      39

      ^^^^ go and be sick at crunch brakken/brakk3n/jennys

    40. brakk3n
      01-29-2013
      09:30 AM
      40

      Originally Posted by Simonbuck View Post
      ^^^^ go and be sick at crunch brakken/brakk3n/jennys
      I do not "belong" specifically to any one website and trust me some of the fools over there also make me sick. I am on so many scenes sites I've lost track.

    41. GregoryRasputin
      01-29-2013
      09:32 AM
      41

      Originally Posted by brakk3n View Post
      It's sort of ironic to see people talking down about a developer for weeks and one post that doesn't even contain the source for the developers work makes them do a 180.
      I don't see who is doing a 180, the people that think that deank is a nob will still think he is a nob regardless of what he releases.



      Originally Posted by brakk3n View Post
      As for you 180's you make me sick.

      People pretending to be females on forums in order to get special treatment make me sick....

      Originally Posted by brakk3n View Post
      I do not "belong" specifically to any one website and trust me some of the fools over there also make me sick. I am on so many scenes sites I've lost track.
      You are mostly at PS3Crunch, which is surprising, because back in the PS2 era, you had more integrity than that, you would never lowered yourself to be part of such a site that promoted the use of reDRM.

    42. BlindPirate13
      01-29-2013
      12:24 PM
      42

      I Do Not Care if You All Hate Cobra, Multiman Or Ps3crunch But You Leave Angry Birds Alone!

    43. ttesterzz
      01-29-2013
      07:19 PM
      43

      I cannot wait to get my hands on this source code!!!

    44. donglehater
      01-29-2013
      07:50 PM
      44

      I wonder if the constant ridicule that deank is subjected to on this site was that which contributed to his decision to provide the source code for MM. I hope that this does not mean he no longer wishes to update MM though I would have no ill feelings towards him if that were indeed his intentions given the overall sh!t he endures on each release.

    45. TizzyT
      01-29-2013
      09:29 PM
      45

      uhmmmmm.... 60 000 lines.....

    46. Adamsville
      01-29-2013
      10:27 PM
      46

      Originally Posted by Simonbuck View Post
      ^^^^ go and be sick at crunch brakken/brakk3n/jennys
      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post




      People pretending to be females on forums in order to get special treatment make me sick....



      You are mostly at PS3Crunch, which is surprising, because back in the PS2 era, you had more integrity than that, you would never lowered yourself to be part of such a site that promoted the use of reDRM.
      LOL

    47. baargle
      01-29-2013
      10:40 PM
      47

      Originally Posted by BlindPirate13 View Post
      I Do Not Care if You All Hate Cobra, Multiman Or Ps3crunch But You Leave Angry Birds Alone!
      Are You A Spaz?

    48. SuperDre
      01-30-2013
      03:29 AM
      48

      Originally Posted by ttesterzz View Post
      I cannot wait to get my hands on this source code!!!
      and then? what will you do with it?

      Originally Posted by TizzyT View Post
      uhmmmmm.... 60 000 lines.....
      60K lines isn't even that much for an application like Multiman, let's not forget it's already a few years old..

    49. GregoryRasputin
      01-30-2013
      03:44 AM
      49

      Originally Posted by donglehater View Post
      I hope that this does not mean he no longer wishes to update MM though
      Who gives a f*ck, someone else can take up multiMAN and make it better....


      Originally Posted by SuperDre View Post
      and then? what will you do with it?
      What people usually do with code, they use it, adapt it....



      Originally Posted by SuperDre View Post
      60K lines isn't even that much for an application like Multiman, let's not forget it's already a few years old..

      Its quite a lot, if everyone nearly having a heart attack on IRC is anything to go by....

    50. BuC-ShoTz
      01-30-2013
      08:15 AM
      50

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      Who gives a f*ck, someone else can take up multiMAN and make it better....




      What people usually do with code, they use it, adapt it....






      Its quite a lot, if everyone nearly having a heart attack on IRC is anything to go by....
      i bet your licking your leech lips right, ***** and whine about everything, finally gonna get your way. to bad you cant code or even understand his code.

      devs can do whatever they want with their work, have a nice day scrotum face...

    51. GregoryRasputin
      01-30-2013
      08:20 AM
      51

      Originally Posted by BuC-ShoTz View Post
      i bet your licking your leech lips right, ***** and whine about everything, finally gonna get your way. to bad you cant code or even understand his code.

      devs can do whatever they want with their work, have a nice day scrotum face...
      With a nick like BuC-ShoTz, you have no place to insult anyone, not with that nick creating level of retardation

      deank's code is nothing special, i have 60,000 lines of rants about his code if you want to hear them.

      Also when are you slow brained dumb bastards going to realise, that multiMAN IS NOT all deank's work, he added some code to someone else Open Source Backup manager, so your boyfriend deank is the leech, have a nice day <3

    52. BuC-ShoTz
      01-30-2013
      08:32 AM
      52

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      With a nick like BuC-ShoTz, you have no place to insult anyone, not with that nick creating level of retardation

      deank's code is nothing special, i have 60,000 lines of rants about his code if you want to hear them.

      Also when are you slow brained dumb bastards going to realise, that multiMAN IS NOT all deank's work, he added some code to someone else Open Source Backup manager, so your boyfriend deank is the leech, have a nice day <3
      where is your work is the question?
      cause writing a history webpage is nothing special,
      just saying....

      and look at your name, nuff said bro.

    53. ocam
      01-30-2013
      08:37 AM
      53

      Originally Posted by BuC-ShoTz View Post
      nuff said
      right, now GTFO!

    54. GregoryRasputin
      01-30-2013
      08:40 AM
      54

      Originally Posted by BuC-ShoTz View Post
      where is your work is the question?
      cause writing a history webpage is nothing special,
      just saying....

      and look at your name, nuff said bro.
      Well if we are going to talk about work, being a blackops f*ggot is nothing special either, yay lets code crap for COD or BOPs and feel special.......

      Oh and its not a "webpage", its a few "web pages"

      My name is a combination of two real names Gregory and Rasputin, which if you use Google, you will see this and they are both spelled correctly.

      Your name is a combination of a miss spelled word "Buck" and another miss spelled word "Shots", which if you Goggle, will show you that you are a retard, for not being able to spell properly.....

      Crawl back to NGU, your under powered brain types are better off there.

    55. SuperDre
      01-30-2013
      02:58 PM
      55

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      What people usually do with code, they use it, adapt it....
      Yeah normally, but a lot of people say stuff like that but don't do anything with it..



      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      Its quite a lot, if everyone nearly having a heart attack on IRC is anything to go by....
      I guess they aren't used to real applications then..... 60K is peanuts.... hehe..

    56. TheLoro
      01-30-2013
      03:59 PM
      56

      It really says a lot about a site when a moderator behaves this way, especially when people fat on free stuff take up the same thinking, if only because they love the hand that feeds them. I have to say that such people are the worst kind of follower because, while they're all supportive and even fanatical, they're so quick to turn and bite the same hand when things don't their way.

      I'm writing this to challenge the misconceptions about open source projects. Obviously, there aren't a lot of developers in this forum, else more would understand the nature of open source. If I am wrong about the # of devs, then I am disappointed about the lack of vocalization since most of what I'm about to say is true.

      Open source does not mean it is meant to be free, nor is it wrong when someone takes an open source project, makes enough changes to make it unique and releases it as closed source. Neither is it wrong when the same person makes money out of his work, even if he started out giving it for free. All open source licenses makes allowances for that, it is not wrong in any way. Just look at Canonical's Ubuntu.

      It's as if people here think developers don't have a right to earn a living. Other devs who come to read forum posts here would definitely feel some amount of sympathy for deank 100%. Every dev also knows that there is no such thing as 100% original code. Just by using an SDK (or any language for that matter), one is already reusing work done by others. Even if deank never wrote a single original line of code, which I doubt, putting things together is not as easy as detractors here may think. Try it out and you'll see. There will always be a time when you will need to confer for help or use the work of others to make things faster.

      Another thing is, there isn't a dev out there who would not want to simplify his revenue stream; to earn more by doing less. Sure, prolific devs may release projects that are forever free, but it is because they already have financial security, either by having a good job or having someone pay all their living expenses (for all the talented devs below 20). Whenever I see a project like MM collaborating with a commercial product like Cobra, I see someone who knows a lucrative opportunity, one that also allows him to do what he loves to do while making cash out of it. What's so evil about that? When someone calls such a thing as evil, I call that in turn hypocritical. Who wouldn't want to do what they love and get paid for it?

      I'm kind of disappointed at deank for opening his code. The disappointment does not come because he opened his code, that is always admirable, but because it seems he bent to all the negativity thrown his way, when he shouldn't have because it is cheapening his work for the wrong reasons. This opinion of mine is why I always caution aspiring devs to think twice about going down the road of open source, when their intent is to earn a living out of their work. Even if they mean to keep their work free, I still caution them because it is evident by the treatment of deank: you're only good when you spoil the people who follow your work. Doubt it? Even if deank never did a deal with Cobra, somewhere down the road, on another project outside multiman, if he starts it out charging for something a lot of people want (i.e "PLEAZE, I REALLY NEEDS THIS!!!"), most people will forget the good he gave and **** on his legacy.

      Like what we see here in HAX.

      Good day.

      Edit: I'm a developer versed in several top tier languages such as Java, C#, C and Python, used on projects both opened and closed, both free and for commercial use. So I know what I'm talking about.

    57. TitaniumL
      01-30-2013
      04:17 PM
      57

      Are you deank by any chance?

    58. carldenning
      01-30-2013
      05:21 PM
      58

      Originally Posted by TitaniumL View Post
      Are you deank by any chance?
      1 thing for sure ,he's one of them ******s from retardcrunch

    59. Korben
      01-30-2013
      05:55 PM
      59

      Originally Posted by TheLoro
      ...
      Blablablabla.

      He (Dean) used and is using codes and contributions from other developers (read @Estwald/Hermes and [MENTION=83161]deroad[/MENTION] explanation about this) but do not share his own codes/contributions. If you want to talk about hypocrisis, there you go.

      And for the last time, the "scene" (PlayStation 3 hacking/homebrew community) is NOT about money, as [MENTION=45614]KDSBest[/MENTION] explained it, if you're a developer and want money, find a job in real ****ing life or start a new project in another context (look at Minecraft for example).

      Not to mention that if you don't want to be a complete moron, you should not help and support ReDRM ****.

      End of story.

    60. ttesterzz
      01-30-2013
      06:10 PM
      60

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      Who gives a f*ck, someone else can take up multiMAN and make it better....




      What people usually do with code, they use it, adapt it....






      Its quite a lot, if everyone nearly having a heart attack on IRC is anything to go by....
      I know I would program to look and work how I see fit

    61. GregoryRasputin
      01-30-2013
      06:18 PM
      61

      Its funny when you see pete_uk thank a post like that, another butt loving CrunchTard.

      Originally Posted by Korben View Post
      Blablablabla.

      He (Dean) used and is using codes and contributions from other developers (read @Estwald/Hermes and [MENTION=83161]deroad[/MENTION] explanation about this) but do not share his own codes/contributions. If you want to talk about hypocrisis, there you go.

      And for the last time, the "scene" (PlayStation 3 hacking/homebrew community) is NOT about money, as [MENTION=45614]KDSBest[/MENTION] explained it, if you're a developer and want money, find a job in real ****ing life or start a new project in another context (look at Minecraft for example).

      Not to mention that if you don't want to be a complete moron, you should not help and support ReDRM ****.

      End of story.
      There is no point explaining to this1337 top tier developer, he is either talking out of his ass, or he too steals other peoples code and sells it like deank, the long wall of text is to throw you off and make people think he is smart.
      Either way he has no understanding of what a homebrew scene is about.
      Finally if there isn't a moderator like me, speaking against the crimes of so called devs like deank and sellouts like garyOPA, there would be more scum ripping off the PS3 scene.


      Also I would like to thank REAL developers, who don't take a dick in the ass from reDRM manufacturers, who work tirelessly for what they believe, who work under the principles of homebrew, who don't cry about the lack of PayPal funds, developers like:
      graf_choklo
      [MENTION=45614]KDSBest[/MENTION]
      glevand
      [MENTION=110733]squarepusher[/MENTION]
      [MENTION=131344]euss[/MENTION]NL
      [MENTION=83161]deroad[/MENTION]
      Mysis
      Estwald/Hermes
      [MENTION=260987]D_Skywalk[/MENTION]
      [MENTION=99583]condorstrike[/MENTION]
      [MENTION=209887]flatz[/MENTION]
      [MENTION=134644]CrashSerious[/MENTION]
      [MENTION=140369]SvenGDK[/MENTION]
      [MENTION=11110]cfw[/MENTION]prophet
      And all the other dudes do it for the love of creating homebrew.
      Thank You for being their for other aspiring developers to look up to.
      Thank You for showing us that not all devs are money leeching scumbags

    62. elopez
      01-30-2013
      09:01 PM
      62

      Gregory, why there is advertising in this site? It seems that for you REAL devs are the ones that make things for free...then REAL "Scene" sites should be advertising free, don't you think?. I don't understand all this hatred against deank...seems that now the Iris devs are the new "angels" in the ps3 scene...and deank is the "devil" incarnation. Do you think Iris code has no "copy&paste"? Anyway I'm grateful for any dev doing something for free, I'm a dev too and I know how difficult it is to do even the most simple "copy&pasted" program. Just try it yourself. After reading this forums I understand why Hermes left the ps3 scene. People will always have something to complain...If I were deank I wouldn't even waste my time cleaning and releasing the code...since it's all copy&paste why do you need the source?, just put it up together by yourself and release it...seems it's an easy task for you.

    63. TheLoro
      01-30-2013
      09:02 PM
      63

      Well at least I prove one thing. That people resort to profanity in order to cover up their lack of eloquence to prove their point. Too stupid to read and too close-minded to boot. Your best tactics are ad-hominem, which is lame. The guys you named who gave for free are great for doing so, I don't contest that. But you're all attacking me for stating that developers have a right to earn from what they do, whether its original or cobbled together. How poor in character can you all be?

      What I find funny is that so much is made ado about applications whose express purpose is to play pirated games. Sure slap me with not knowing what "a homebrew scene is about" but Iris and MM are definitely not made under the definition of what homebrew should be, which makes it (game managers) fair game.

      With all due respect, the tactics of ganging up and profanity shows how ugly this site has become. You're not convincing everyone when you say that you're "standing up" against exploiters. You certainly are no hero, Mr. Mod, because of how you go about "standing up".

      PS. If something is open-sourced, and someone uses it for commercial purposes, it is NOT stealing. So get off your high horse.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************

      Originally Posted by Korben View Post
      Blablablabla.

      He (Dean) used and is using codes and contributions from other developers (read @Estwald/Hermes and [MENTION=83161]deroad[/MENTION] explanation about this) but do not share his own codes/contributions. If you want to talk about hypocrisis, there you go.

      And for the last time, the "scene" (PlayStation 3 hacking/homebrew community) is NOT about money, as [MENTION=45614]KDSBest[/MENTION] explained it, if you're a developer and want money, find a job in real ****ing life or start a new project in another context (look at Minecraft for example).

      Not to mention that if you don't want to be a complete moron, you should not help and support ReDRM ****.

      End of story.
      Hardly.

      I just had to reply to this one. I don't even think you even know the meaning of hypocrisy. Look it up. Oh, and for the one asking if I was deank, no, I'm not. I'm just doing the decent thing and standing up for someone who's down and being kicked on the ground.

      Seriously, the debate about him was won with him on the losing end so many posts ago. He writes bloatware. We get it. He "sold out" and worked with Cobra. We get it. I'm here like the rest who don't care, just being a thankful consumer and consuming. It should have been enough but to keep maligning a person, even when he obviously abdicated, is just wrong. People who don't agree with that basic human tenet are idiots.

      And what is the scene anyway? The people who give stuff to it, or the people who take from it? Isn't it both? Who set down law that no one can make money when there's an opportunity? Don't get me wrong, I love free stuff. I pirate whenever I can. At least I don't lie about it, that would make me a hypocrite; nor do I call out somebody that wants to charge me for something I can't make myself.

      Which brings me back to one of my point, the culture's wrong when everything good a person does is invalidated when he makes a mistake. It's as if all of you think either that you're perfect or have the right to look down on someone and judge them. Now THAT's hypocrisy.

    64. GregoryRasputin
      01-30-2013
      09:40 PM
      64

      Originally Posted by TheLoro View Post
      If something is open-sourced, and someone uses it for commercial purposes, it is NOT stealing. So get off your high horse boy.
      It's cool dude, I know you are slightly retarded, because only a retard would think stealing other people's code and making profit from it is not stealing, so get of my dick dad.

      Seriously how much of other people's open source code do you sell ?

      Oh and stop felling sorry for yourself and deank, this is the f*cking Internet, dean put him in the position to be kicked, plus he I a big boy, he can defend himself quite well...


      Also you want to talk about being hypocrite ?
      You insulting people FIRST then crying about people insulting you, is hypocritical.

    65. svenmullet
      01-30-2013
      09:41 PM
      65

      Originally Posted by elopez View Post
      Gregory, why there is advertising in this site? It seems that for you REAL devs are the ones that make things for free...then REAL "Scene" sites should be advertising free, don't you think?.
      That is what I like to call a logical fallacy. You're comparing apples to oranges, thus your analogy is fallacious and wrong. Just because you popped your forum cherry and made that your first post, I'll be nice enough to explain why you're wrong, and should never argue on the internet: The owner of this site uses advertising to cover server costs. It costs money to run a website, and he is not charging you anything to access it. Deank, on the other hand, has no overhead costs of developing multiman. If he wants to charge for his software, that's perfectly fine (and I would actually pay for it, because it is a good program) but he made a deal with cobra which, IMHO, is selling the whole end-user base down the river.

      Originally Posted by TheLoro View Post
      Well at least I prove one thing. That people resort to profanity in order to cover up their lack of eloquence to prove their point. Too stupid to read and too close-minded to boot. Your best tactics are ad-hominem, which is lame. The guys you named who gave for free are great for doing so, I don't contest that. But you're all seriously attacking me for stating that developers have a right to earn from what they do, whether its original or cobbled together.

      Seriously, your tactics of ganging up and profanity shows how ugly this site has become.

      PS. If something is open-sourced, and someone uses it for commercial purposes, it is NOT stealing. So get off your high horse boy.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************


      Hardly.

      I just had to reply to this one. I don't even think you even know the meaning of hypocrisy. Look it up. Oh, and for the one asking if I was deank, no, I'm not. I'm just doing the decent thing and standing up for someone who's down and being kicked on the ground.

      Seriously, the debate about him was won with him on the losing end so many posts ago. He writes bloatware. We get it. He "sold out" and worked with Cobra. We get it. I'm here like the rest who don't care, just being a thankful consumer and consuming. It should have been enough but to keep maligning a person, even when he obviously abdicated, is just wrong. People who don't agree with that basic human tenet are idiots.

      And what is the scene anyway? The people who give stuff to it, or the people who take from it? Isn't it both? Who set down law that no one can make money when there's an opportunity? Don't get me wrong, I love free stuff. I pirate whenever I can. At least I don't lie about it, that would make me a hypocrite; nor do I call out somebody that wants to charge me for something I can't make myself.

      Which brings me back to one of my point, the culture's wrong when everything good a person does is invalidated when he makes a mistake. It's as if all of you think either that you're perfect or have the right to look down on someone and judge them. Now THAT's hypocrisy.
      Hi, xRetardtorianx. How's things over at crunch?

    66. GregoryRasputin
      01-30-2013
      09:50 PM
      66

      Originally Posted by elopez View Post
      I'm a dev too
      The only thing you are a dev of is congealed text and bullsh*t.

      Originally Posted by svenmullet View Post
      Hi, xRetardtorianx. How's things over at crunch?
      Not sure it is him, though my first thought was "This f*ggot writes the same as that idiot xpreatorianx, he must have ADHD too".

    67. elopez
      01-30-2013
      10:02 PM
      67

      Deank, on the other hand, has no overhead costs of developing multiman
      You are wrong...his overhead cost is all the time he spent on developing multiman...and not on something that will give him real money like this advertised site...

      And it's not completely true you let me post for free, apart from the server costs, you are covering my "free" post with the advertising...more popular the site, more discussion on the forums, more money for the site owners...

      But you are right on something...I forgot I should never argue on the internet...sometimes I forget it...thanks for reminding me. bye.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      [QUOTE=GregoryRasputin;532775]The only thing you are a dev of is congealed text and bullsh*t.

      I'm glad we have something in common then...

    68. GregoryRasputin
      01-30-2013
      10:08 PM
      68

      Originally Posted by elopez View Post
      You are wrong...his overhead cost is all the time he spent on developing multiman...and not on something that will give him real money like this advertised site...

      And it's not completely true you let me post for free, apart from the server costs, you are covering my "free" post with the advertising...more popular the site, more discussion on the forums, more money for the site owners...

      But you are right on something...I forgot I should never argue on the internet...sometimes I forget it...thanks for reminding me. bye.
      For deanks over head charge, he should pay those who worked harder than him to make multiMAN possible.

      As for this server, I hate ad's I use adblock+, I don't profit of the ad's as I do not own the site and the admin does not profit from the ad's as he has to delve into his own pockets to cover server charges.

      Also hate to burst your little bubble, but we have nothing in common, you struggle to use a forum properly, I guess that's why you don't post much.

    69. elopez
      01-30-2013
      10:30 PM
      69

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      For deanks over head charge, he should pay those who worked harder than him to make multiMAN possible.

      As for this server, I hate ad's I use adblock+, I don't profit of the ad's as I do not own the site and the admin does not profit from the ad's as he has to delve into his own pockets to cover server charges.

      Also hate to burst your little bubble, but we have nothing in common, you struggle to use a forum properly, I guess that's why you don't post much.
      I don't post much because:

      1) I have serious limitations to handle forums...

      2) There is no point in arguing with guys like you that think they are the kings of the hill and the owners of the "truth".

      I was just giving an opinion, but oh it is not the same than yours...so let's insult the stupid ass that thinks different that you do. It's ok man if that makes you happy...

      BAN me and make me a favor this site is getting 80% insults 20% discussions.

      Oh and sorry for my limited English, it's not my first language.

    70. GregoryRasputin
      01-30-2013
      10:37 PM
      70

      Originally Posted by elopez View Post
      I was just giving an opinion, but oh it is not the same than yours...so let's insult the stupid ass that thinks different that you do. It's ok man if that makes you happy...
      I wasn't insulting you because your English and forum skills suck, i have zero problem with people thinking differently to me, unless they are wrong

      Oh and you have to break the rules several times to actually get banned.

    71. SuperDre
      01-31-2013
      04:23 AM
      71

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      It's cool dude, I know you are slightly retarded, because only a retard would think stealing other people's code and making profit from it is not stealing, so get of my dick dad.
      But wait... A lot of people here are flaming deank for making a bit of money (if that's really proven) next to a version which works for free, but those same people only want CFW for stealing developers games, and are even *****ing about it if MM doesn't start such and so game or doesn't support some sort of ISO loading of an emulator which is even available on OFW..
      I think most people are just hypocrits when they ***** at deank or any other developer (like back in the day on geohotz)..

      Yes there are people here that actually only care about homebrew (like me, still haven't downloaded an illegal PS1-2-3 game), but most don't care about homebrew (except when their homebrew manager doesn't start their illegally downloaded game)..

      But why just ***** and not just focus on the positive sides.. Yes deank propably made some money of the Cobraversion of MM, but he also gave back the free version..

      This scene has scared off too many great developers by *****ing at them, and that should just stop, too many crybabies who only care about being able to play the latest illegal gamerip and not for the scene itself..

    72. GregoryRasputin
      01-31-2013
      04:36 AM
      72

      Originally Posted by SuperDre View Post
      But wait... A lot of people here are flaming deank for making a bit of money (if that's really proven) next to a version which works for free, but those same people only want CFW for stealing developers games, and are even *****ing about it if MM doesn't start such and so game or doesn't support some sort of ISO loading of an emulator which is even available on OFW..
      I think most people are just hypocrits when they ***** at deank or any other developer (like back in the day on geohotz)..

      Yes there are people here that actually only care about homebrew (like me, still haven't downloaded an illegal PS1-2-3 game), but most don't care about homebrew (except when their homebrew manager doesn't start their illegally downloaded game)..

      But why just ***** and not just focus on the positive sides.. Yes deank propably made some money of the Cobraversion of MM, but he also gave back the free version..

      This scene has scared off too many great developers by *****ing at them, and that should just stop, too many crybabies who only care about being able to play the latest illegal gamerip and not for the scene itself..
      You can always f*ck off to PS3Crunch, your grey hair would match garyOPA's.

      Funny you talk about hypocrites, when you support multiMAN, but you don't support what people use them for.

    73. KDSBest
      01-31-2013
      04:44 AM
      73

      Originally Posted by TheLoro View Post
      It really says a lot about a site when a moderator behaves this way, especially when people fat on free stuff take up the same thinking, if only because they love the hand that feeds them. I have to say that such people are the worst kind of follower because, while they're all supportive and even fanatical, they're so quick to turn and bite the same hand when things don't their way.

      I'm writing this to challenge the misconceptions about open source projects. Obviously, there aren't a lot of developers in this forum, else more would understand the nature of open source. If I am wrong about the # of devs, then I am disappointed about the lack of vocalization since most of what I'm about to say is true.

      Open source does not mean it is meant to be free, nor is it wrong when someone takes an open source project, makes enough changes to make it unique and releases it as closed source. Neither is it wrong when the same person makes money out of his work, even if he started out giving it for free. All open source licenses makes allowances for that, it is not wrong in any way. Just look at Canonical's Ubuntu.

      It's as if people here think developers don't have a right to earn a living. Other devs who come to read forum posts here would definitely feel some amount of sympathy for deank 100%. Every dev also knows that there is no such thing as 100% original code. Just by using an SDK (or any language for that matter), one is already reusing work done by others. Even if deank never wrote a single original line of code, which I doubt, putting things together is not as easy as detractors here may think. Try it out and you'll see. There will always be a time when you will need to confer for help or use the work of others to make things faster.

      Another thing is, there isn't a dev out there who would not want to simplify his revenue stream; to earn more by doing less. Sure, prolific devs may release projects that are forever free, but it is because they already have financial security, either by having a good job or having someone pay all their living expenses (for all the talented devs below 20). Whenever I see a project like MM collaborating with a commercial product like Cobra, I see someone who knows a lucrative opportunity, one that also allows him to do what he loves to do while making cash out of it. What's so evil about that? When someone calls such a thing as evil, I call that in turn hypocritical. Who wouldn't want to do what they love and get paid for it?

      I'm kind of disappointed at deank for opening his code. The disappointment does not come because he opened his code, that is always admirable, but because it seems he bent to all the negativity thrown his way, when he shouldn't have because it is cheapening his work for the wrong reasons. This opinion of mine is why I always caution aspiring devs to think twice about going down the road of open source, when their intent is to earn a living out of their work. Even if they mean to keep their work free, I still caution them because it is evident by the treatment of deank: you're only good when you spoil the people who follow your work. Doubt it? Even if deank never did a deal with Cobra, somewhere down the road, on another project outside multiman, if he starts it out charging for something a lot of people want (i.e "PLEAZE, I REALLY NEEDS THIS!!!"), most people will forget the good he gave and **** on his legacy.

      Like what we see here in HAX.

      Good day.

      Edit: I'm a developer versed in several top tier languages such as Java, C#, C and Python, used on projects both opened and closed, both free and for commercial use. So I know what I'm talking about.
      First of all, there are no open source projects which are not free to use. That wouldn't make any sense at all. There are open source products which got more development added and support added and can be bought as commercial product open office and star office for example.

      Originally Posted by TheLoro View Post
      Open source does not mean it is meant to be free, nor is it wrong when someone takes an open source project, makes enough changes to make it unique and releases it as closed source. Neither is it wrong when the same person makes money out of his work, even if he started out giving it for free.
      True.

      Originally Posted by TheLoro View Post
      All open source licenses makes allowances for that, it is not wrong in any way. Just look at Canonical's Ubuntu.
      Not True. MIT license for example doesn't allow that IIRC. If you make changes to their code it has to be open source (all changes). You are free to use their code in your project, but changes in the code has to be open source again IIRC.

      Originally Posted by TheLoro View Post
      It's as if people here think developers don't have a right to earn a living. Other devs who come to read forum posts here would definitely feel some amount of sympathy for deank 100%.
      There are two KDSBest, open source hacker and business man. The second one knows what you want to tell .

      Originally Posted by TheLoro View Post
      Every dev also knows that there is no such thing as 100% original code. Just by using an SDK (or any language for that matter), one is already reusing work done by others. Even if deank never wrote a single original line of code, which I doubt, putting things together is not as easy as detractors here may think. Try it out and you'll see. There will always be a time when you will need to confer for help or use the work of others to make things faster.
      That's why software patents are bogus yes.

      Originally Posted by TheLoro View Post
      Another thing is, there isn't a dev out there who would not want to simplify his revenue stream; to earn more by doing less. Sure, prolific devs may release projects that are forever free, but it is because they already have financial security, either by having a good job or having someone pay all their living expenses (for all the talented devs below 20). Whenever I see a project like MM collaborating with a commercial product like Cobra, I see someone who knows a lucrative opportunity, one that also allows him to do what he loves to do while making cash out of it. What's so evil about that? When someone calls such a thing as evil, I call that in turn hypocritical. Who wouldn't want to do what they love and get paid for it?
      My earn in this scene is just knowledge and nothing more and I'm doing alot . My projects are forever free for this scene. I don't want to make money with them, but I got a job as software engineer so I have financial security. There is nothing evil with collaborating with commercial products like Cobra, but beeing in a hacker scene and building a commercial product is simply wrong. Most people are here for the knowledge... I don't know if it is envy or so, but for me it is convincement, that commercial stuff has nothing todo in a hacker scene.

      Originally Posted by TheLoro View Post
      Edit: I'm a developer versed in several top tier languages such as Java, C#, C and Python, used on projects both opened and closed, both free and for commercial use. So I know what I'm talking about.
      I'm a developer versed in over 30 language and used over 10 languages in professional (commercial) use. Working 5+ years as professional engineer and started my work next to school. I am developing software over 13 years ago and learned from my father, a great software engineer and hacker. He always told me one thing, if you will start a career as professional software engineer... It will never be a hobby again. That's true for most parts. The most software from the scene I saw are bad written (this counts for my SPU Emulator and stuff too). In big teams you just work differently. Since I love what I do, my hobby is reverse engineering and seeing results from that. Software engineering is my job. That's why I keep those source codes pretty simple... Not much architecture in it and mostly roughly written.

      It is an opinion thingy if you think it is correct to bring commercial stuff in the hacker scene or not. I accept your opinion but I don't share it. There is nothing that will change that. If I want to make money with such kinda things I apply for a job as security consultant or security developer. Which I would do but I am just too lazy xD. Go to the Anti-Hacker part if you want to make money with Hacking stuff. You see deank put alot affort in MM (noone doubts that), you are right if he wants to make money out of it... He can. Cobra on the other hand use thousands of hours from other people. Steal it and make money out of it. You don't take ogre3d compile and rename it and sell it as commercial product. You will for sure get legal issues then! Belive me taking open source source code in your commercial product is different than using an open source project in your source code!

      The reason why I don't want to make money in the PS3 scene is simple. I love it as a hobby, I am totaly aware of the difference if it is a job (with deadlines...) and if it is a hobby. If I start making money in the PS3 scene I have to tell/quit my job anyway and belive it or not the payment there I can't get out of the PS3 scene. I calculated it .

      So if you are a talented developer under 20 (I worked with that age as professional developer already), don't be a social cripple and then you get a job in software engineer. All IT companies I know are great to work for. You will find other nerds and do get money for playing with them and software .
      If you think you want to go for the big thing be a freelancer (If I were a freelancer I would have a daily payment for around 600-1000€, but this is pretty much risky thing. I like to chill do some work and get my normal payment which is way higher than the average in my country (all jobs).

      If you are talented and want to get payed for security go for security consultant or security software engineer, but if you go for something like Cobra and stuff. You will rip off other developers or the money for time invested is way too low. So even if this guy above tells you "There is nothing to it". There is something too it, it is totaly rip off, but for you guys even worth. You could get more money with a normal job as software engineer (Consultants are mostly very well paid, that's why I'm one ).

      Just my 2 cents.

    74. geeklogik
      01-31-2013
      04:44 AM
      74

      My opinion, everyone needs to chill the f*ck out and maybe listen to some b marley

    75. deroad
      01-31-2013
      05:28 AM
      75

      really? i really need to answer to this? =.=

      Originally Posted by TheLoro View Post
      ...
      First thing: Open Source DOESN'T MEAN Free Software. So you are absolutely right, but (there is always a but XD ) when you say, Open Source you are talking about an idea that allows people to work together and learn/share knowledge.
      Open Source projects (I'm going to copy wikipedia) are software products “available with its source code and under an open source license to study, change, and improve its design” (it's the FIRST sentences on wikipedia). Usually Open Source software is free, but devs can have some retributions in these ways:
      • Donations.
      • If you want software support you will need to pay/donate to the dev.
      • Have a sponsor on your website (like ads).
      • If your project is really complex you can earn on books that talks about it (for example if your project is a framework).

      When you release an open source project, you usually add into that a license. some license doesn't allow close source. so if you use open source projects to make something, you usually need to release also the src.

      Second thing: i worked with other people codes, and i always gave them all the credits if i took somebody else stuff and use it on mine. an example is my libmove. i wrote only the 20%? of it; most of the code come from bigboss and kakaroto. but their code was not written to be used as a lib. so i read their code and adapted to mine to have something that works like a lib.

      Third thing: there are a lots of devs on this forum, and probably most of them doesn't care about flame here, flame there, bla bla bla.

      Forth thing: (why i always need to post it? -.-" ) i worked with the brewology admin, i built an app to download homebrews from the brewology store and i never asked money for that. i don't have a job because i'm an university student, my parents aren't rich and here where i live there are a lot of financial crisis, so please DO NOT WRITE THAT THOSE WHO RELEASE FREE STUFF HAS GOOD RETRIBUTIONS. THAT'S NOT TRUE!

      Fifth thing: deank started to be an "a$$hole" when he began to think to be god. i never wanted to be an a$$hole, but sometime i'm worse then him (who knows me in the real life, knows it very well..) but i never say something if i'm not sure about that. i always say "yes, sorry, you are right" if i make some mistake and i'm always happy to learn from mistakes. deank most of the times doesn't.

      I'm going to finish my answer to your post in this way:

      People makes their decision and then they follow it. sometime most of these are wrong and some are right, but open source is always better then close source.

      Just by using an SDK (or any language for that matter)
      I'm not saying that you are not a dev, but if you really are who you are saying to be, you should know that an SDK is not a programming language

      PS: Ubuntu sell support and use a store to sell some non-free software. They makes money in that way.

    76. Korben
      01-31-2013
      08:19 AM
      76

      Originally Posted by TheLoro View Post
      ...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ifJapuqYiU

      You did no reply to this :

      "He (Dean) used and is using codes and contributions from other developers (read @Estwald/Hermes and [MENTION=83161]deroad[/MENTION] explanation about this) but do not share his own codes/contributions. If you want to talk about hypocrisis, there you go."

      Actually, Dean decided to make multiMAN OpenSource since Hermes send him a direct message :

      Orignal :

      He visto que Deank está utilizando mis parches de ps1_emu. Eso no es problema, ya que precisamente, si hago públicas las cosas es para que cualquiera las pueda utilizar, evidentemente. El problema es que no tiene por costumbre liberar el código fuente respetando las licencias correspondientes y que no permite con ello que otros nos podamos beneficiar con sus aportaciones igual que él se beneficia de las nuestras.
      Translated :

      i've seen deank is using my patches of ps1_emu. This is no problem, if i made the source public its for anyone to come and use it... evidently. The problem is he doesn't respect the software licenses of code he uses and does not share his findings and code, so we can't benefit from his contributions the same way he benefits from the ps3 community contributions.
      He did not decide to make multiMAN OpenSource because of PS3Hax members were doing a revolution against his Bloatman. He decided to make multiMAN OpenSource because he got ***** slapped by Hermes, telling him the sad and hard truth (shortly after [MENTION=83161]deroad[/MENTION] explain him the nature of PSL1GHT).

      On another topic (but related to this) :

      Did anybody notice that the first time Dean decided to make multiMAN OpenSource, CobraManager was released a short time after this, and then, Dean re-closed the source.

      Maybe it was a "smart" move to sell multiMAN to Cobra without looking like a complete sellout in front of the entire scene (well, when it happenned).

      Anyway, [MENTION=83161]deroad[/MENTION] and [MENTION=45614]KDSBest[/MENTION] gave a better explanation about the "Dean case".

    77. 3absiso
      01-31-2013
      09:05 AM
      77

      Will to be honest; i think this thread is getting out of control.
      And i must say, every one has his opinion in this matter. some of us with [MENTION=7773]GregoryRasputin[/MENTION] point and some with [MENTION=262090]TheLoro[/MENTION] point.
      but why insulting each other and calling names.
      till you truth, I love this Forum a lot and it is the only Forum i participate in and try to help as much as i can. but i hate to see this in this Forum and i mean a lot.
      and i do not like to say what i think honestly in these kind of threads, without someone come and start calling me names, specially a lot of us here from different cultures.
      Bottom Line for me, we have to accept other people opinion in this matter without calling names, this is what i think.

    78. BuC-ShoTz
      02-01-2013
      10:04 AM
      78

      attention

      Attention

      I don't care what your problem is, i don't care about your so called code, not that any of the code is yours, you steal it off other people, enjoy your ban, go back to fighting with kids on YouTube, you are great at that old man ~ GregoryRasputin





      I stole [MENTION=209887]flatz[/MENTION] code to make some lame Black Ops software, i steal other peoples code, because my coding sucks.....

      Im a 32 year old red neck, who's major accomplishments include arguing with children on YouTube and making crappy Call Of Duty cheats, i thought i would come on to PS3HaX and talk sh*t because i love your penis [MENTION=7773]GregoryRasputin[/MENTION], i want it in my bum and want you to finish on my face.

    79. toolz
      02-01-2013
      10:15 AM
      79

      Right listen to me all you numnuts
      MultiMAN is poooop. Get over it
      Get Irismanager and you will be saying
      to yourself why the F*** did I install MM
      In the first place. Rant over.


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    80. kloontje05
      02-12-2013
      04:21 PM
      80

      i like multiman Dean, you are great
      don't let them get to you... they are just silly in the brain
      maybe gay to.. they do not want to admit that they actually secretly love you work.. hehehe. do not worry about it.
      I will continue to use it as my favorite MultiMan manager and always look forward to new updates dean thanks

    81. GregoryRasputin
      02-12-2013
      04:26 PM
      81

      Originally Posted by kloontje05 View Post
      i like multiman Dean, you are great
      don't let them get to you... they are just silly in the brain
      maybe gay to.. they do not want to admit that they actually secretly love you work.. hehehe. do not worry about it.
      I will continue to use it as my favorite MultiMan manager and always look forward to new updates dean thanks
      You have a little gay thing for dean ?
      I bet you are sitting there dreaming of his shlong rubbing up and down your butt cheek..

      Now that's f*cking gay >.<

    82. Wolfie708
      02-12-2013
      04:27 PM
      82

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      You have a little gay thing for dean ?
      I bet you are sitting there dreaming of his shlong rubbing up and down your butt cheek..

      Now that's f*cking gay >.<
      I sit here dreaming of yours

    83. GregoryRasputin
      02-12-2013
      04:28 PM
      83

      Originally Posted by Wolfie708 View Post
      I sit here dreaming of yours
      I hope you have a pair of tweezers in your dream, because it gets hard to find at times.

    84. kloontje05
      02-12-2013
      04:39 PM
      84

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      You have a little gay thing for dean ?
      I bet you are sitting there dreaming of his shlong rubbing up and down your butt cheek..

      Now that's f*cking gay >.<
      This just shows again that my thoughts were correct

    85. GregoryRasputin
      02-12-2013
      04:40 PM
      85

      Originally Posted by kloontje05 View Post
      This just shows again that my thoughts were correct
      You mean your sexual thoughts about dean or your gay thoughts, im confused....

    86. kloontje05
      02-12-2013
      05:04 PM
      86

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      You mean your sexual thoughts about dean or your gay thoughts, im confused....
      no, you secretly love Dean's work and actually can not stand that his work is so good .. everything you bring against this only confirm the truth.
      Why else do you react so violently ... there is no reason for you to react so violently then that this is true.. admit it

    87. GregoryRasputin
      02-12-2013
      05:09 PM
      87

      Originally Posted by kloontje05 View Post
      no, you secretly love Dean's work and actually can not stand that his work is so good .. everything you bring against this only confirm the truth.
      Ummmm hate to break it to you
      But if i loved deans work, then i would be able to stand that it is so good, so thanks for making a silly comment



      Originally Posted by kloontje05 View Post
      Why else do you react so violently ... there is no reason for you to react so violently then that this is true
      I don't act violently, i express my opinions about my dislike of deank being such a prick and YOU bring gay sex into it, i guess you want violent gay sex ?



      Originally Posted by kloontje05 View Post
      .. admit it
      I will admit that you are an idiot and love gay sex

    88. kloontje05
      02-12-2013
      05:16 PM
      88

      everything you bring against this only confirm the truth

    89. GregoryRasputin
      02-12-2013
      05:20 PM
      89

      Originally Posted by kloontje05 View Post
      everything you bring against this only confirm the truth

      Of course, everything i say about him is the truth, thanks for acknowledging that

    90. kloontje05
      02-12-2013
      05:50 PM
      90

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      Of course, everything i say about him is the truth, thanks for acknowledging that

      what a joke you are..
      my first post confirms fun ...
      maybe you come with a better manager and find the wheel again
      I let myself be surprised

    91. GregoryRasputin
      02-12-2013
      05:52 PM
      91

      Originally Posted by kloontje05 View Post

      what a joke you are..
      my first post confirms fun ...
      maybe you come with a better manager and find the wheel again
      I let myself be surprised
      Could you post that again, but in English please ?

      Oh and there is a better Manager, its called Iris Manager

    92. Theeze
      02-12-2013
      05:56 PM
      92

      Originally Posted by kloontje05 View Post

      what a joke you are..
      my first post confirms fun ...
      maybe you come with a better manager and find the wheel again
      I let myself be surprised
      It's called Iris, you know the one deank keeps ripping of features from until estwald called him out on it? Yeah...that one

    93. kloontje05
      02-12-2013
      06:20 PM
      93

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin View Post
      Could you post that again, but in English please ?

      Oh and there is a better Manager, its called Iris Manager
      Oky i see, this is not advertising for iris manager in this way.
      when people like you use this manager
      I want nothing of it.. this manager makes some people total retarded so it seems

    94. GregoryRasputin
      02-12-2013
      06:24 PM
      94

      Originally Posted by kloontje05 View Post
      this manager makes some people total retarded so it seems
      Only retarded one is you

    95. Theeze
      02-12-2013
      06:25 PM
      95

      [MENTION=7773]GregoryRasputin[/MENTION]

      It's not worth it, have a look at this...lol

      http://www.ps3hax.net/showpost.php?p...5&postcount=33

      Combination of MM and crack