• PS3 Hacks , 21.05.2013

    Well Microsoft did what Sony couldn’t, they showed the console and it is quite a sexy looking machine, i don’t like the name of the console though, it reminds me of the original Xbox, when one speaks of the original Xbox, they usually say the Xbox 1, the name is as dumb as Sony calling the PS2 PVR the PSX, when that’s what the public called the PS1, anyhow enough of my ranting, here are some specifications and details:

     

    Console

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    Kinnect 2

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    Control Pad

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    UPDATE

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    Source
    Thanks ooPo

    UPDATE 2

    Here is a quote from wired.com regarding always online and HDD game installations:

    There’s one feature of Xbox One from which we can infer quite a few conclusions: You can install any game from the disc to the console’s hard drive, and then play that game whenever you like without having to put the disc in.

    Wired asked Microsoft if installation would be mandatory. “On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play,” the company responded in an emailed statement. Sounds mandatory to us.

    What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner.

    Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc.

    But what if a second person simply wanted to put the disc in and play the game without installing – and without paying extra? In other words, what happens to our traditional concept of a “used game”? This is a question for which Microsoft did not yet have an answer, and is surely something that game buyers (as well as renters and lenders) will want to know.

    And what of the persistent rumors that Xbox One games will be “always online” – that is, that single-player games would require a constant online connection to function? As it turns out, those rumors were not unfounded, but the reality is not so draconian. Xbox One will give game developers the ability to create games that use Microsoft’s Azure cloud computing service, which means that they might be able to offload certain computing tasks to the cloud rather than process them on the Xbox One hardware itself. This would necessitate the game requiring a connection.

    Are developers forced to create games that have these online features, and are thus not playable offline? They are not, Xbox exec Whitten said to Wired — but “I hope they do.” So the always-online future may come in incremental steps.

    Source
    Thanks a_titkov

    Those are the most important bits and on that note, im out for a while, taking a break from the forum, maybe be back in a few months, going to work on my History websites.

    Discuss in Forums (183)


  • 183 Comments

    1. mckenziesdaddy
      05-21-2013
      12:50 PM
      1

      This does explain alot of studios jumping ship from the WiiU. Hardware for both the PS4 and XBOXone is worlds different from the WiiU. The new Xbox has a simple amazing feature set. I wanna see how much of this Sony can force into the PS4 before E3.

    2. $n!pR
      05-21-2013
      12:51 PM
      2

      Sexy looking? It's a generic black box. Who gives a crap how it looks anyway?

    3. Annelies
      05-21-2013
      12:51 PM
      3

      Originally Posted by mckenziesdaddy
      Hardware for both the PS4 and XBOXone is worlds different from the WiiU.
      I think it's gonna be the Wii all over again.

    4. mckenziesdaddy
      05-21-2013
      12:53 PM
      4

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      I think it's gonna be the Wii all over again.
      Not even, This is a very big hardware gap more then last time.

    5. GregoryRasputin
      05-21-2013
      12:53 PM
      5

      Originally Posted by $n!pR
      Who gives a crap how it looks anyway?
      I do, why do you have a problem with what i think of how it looks ?

    6. Jpond83
      05-21-2013
      12:57 PM
      6

      Cool, i wonder when i can preorder.

    7. AlexBaka
      05-21-2013
      12:57 PM
      7

      I was trying to find xbox transmition via Vita but it seems sony blocked it )))
      any way, haven't seen anything that could make me buy it. All this TV-features wouldn't even work outside US

    8. Annelies
      05-21-2013
      12:59 PM
      8

      Originally Posted by mckenziesdaddy
      Not even, This is a very big hardware gap more then last time.
      That's what I mean.

    9. PS4Exploits
      05-21-2013
      12:59 PM
      9

      Thank you greg, Unlike other mods on this site you post useful things

    10. Thelostdeathknight
      05-21-2013
      01:05 PM
      10

      LMAO, it keeps looking more and more like this truly will be the last generation of consoles. Seriously if i want an HTPC i'd build one

    11. mckenziesdaddy
      05-21-2013
      01:05 PM
      11

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      That's what I mean.
      I did know what you meant sorry. Well from the call of duty trailer it looked pretty I won't lie. But I am wondering about cost, You can get a High end pc and do all of that right now today.

    12. spyro2670
      05-21-2013
      01:08 PM
      12

      wonder i it is going to be hacked :P LOL

    13. mckenziesdaddy
      05-21-2013
      01:08 PM
      13

      Originally Posted by Thelostdeathknight
      LMAO, it keeps looking more and more like this truly will be the last generation of consoles.
      I believe the 360/PS3 was the last generation of consoles. This one looks more the TV set up box generation. I seen in the presentation xfinity was thier TV provider. So I am wondering, To get more of these consoles out the door, If they will work on a partner ship with them. Sign up for 2 or 3yrs and get the console at a high discounted price.

    14. Thelostdeathknight
      05-21-2013
      01:10 PM
      14

      Originally Posted by mckenziesdaddy
      I believe the 360/PS3 was the last generation of consoles. This one looks more the TV set up box generation. I seen in the presentation xfinity was there TV provider. So I am wondering, To get more of these consoles out the door, If they will work on a partner ship with them. Sign up for 2 or 3yrs and get the console at a high discounted price.
      That actually wouldn't surprise me too much

    15. stussy1
      05-21-2013
      01:13 PM
      15

      A kinect with every console nice i wonder how much
      It will set us back

    16. ICECOLDKILLAH
      05-21-2013
      01:13 PM
      16

      ICECOLDKILLAH is not impressed...

    17. mckenziesdaddy
      05-21-2013
      01:13 PM
      17

      Originally Posted by Thelostdeathknight
      That actually wouldn't surprise me too much
      It would a fantastic way to get them out there. The world economy isn't the best. Great way to move units, Get xfinity get the console at 75% off. That would be if you signed up for xfinity and paid for Live monthly. It would sure as hell beat the PS4 with something like that.

    18. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      01:16 PM
      18

      I was bored the whole time the only thing i kinda like was the EA sports, but i really like the DVR feature in the games if it works like a tradition dvr. But it probably wont, and the console looks like a futurisk box VCR?!?!? not sexy at all.

      now this is potential sexy http://kotaku.com/one-person-tried-t...ther-508986328

    19. GregoryRasputin
      05-21-2013
      01:25 PM
      19

      Front Page Updated with images of inside the console.

    20. $n!pR
      05-21-2013
      01:27 PM
      20

      Introducing Xbox One; Jack of all trades, master of none.

    21. Annelies
      05-21-2013
      01:27 PM
      21

      Sony stocks are on the rise after Xbox reveal.

      http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=SNE

    22. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      01:29 PM
      22

      LOL hey guys my dad never played a console his whole life really and he said that the next Xbox is more like the next generation Tivo that plays games lol. I just thought that was funny a 60 year old man said that.

    23. tjhooker73
      05-21-2013
      01:32 PM
      23

      Microsoft spent "Four years" working on this console. Sony Saud they were working on the PS4 since the PS3 release

      Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

    24. MJ999
      05-21-2013
      01:34 PM
      24

      Sata Connector on Mobo?

      Guess this console will be easily exploited?

    25. Thelostdeathknight
      05-21-2013
      01:34 PM
      25

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      Sony stocks are on the rise after Xbox reveal.

      http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=SNE
      Greg gets a bigger rise when you post making sony's rising stocks all that much more laughable, don't cha know?

    26. GregoryRasputin
      05-21-2013
      01:35 PM
      26

      Originally Posted by tjhooker73
      Microsoft spent "Four years" working on this console.
      Four years and the only name they could come up with was Xbox One >.<

    27. mckenziesdaddy
      05-21-2013
      01:38 PM
      27

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      Four years and the only name they could come up with was Xbox One >.<
      Well they did go with 360, Since they didn't wanna seem weaker against PS3.

    28. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      01:38 PM
      28

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      Four years and the only name they could come up with was Xbox One >.<
      Xbox Tree would of made more sense then Xbox One thats how Jamaicans say three get it. lol Hey im Jamaican if you guys think im racist

    29. chr15m
      05-21-2013
      01:42 PM
      29

      If i can get 4 years out of it without it breakin down, i`ll be happy.

    30. Xero14
      05-21-2013
      01:46 PM
      30

      I actually like the One naming (but I did just buy an HTC One so...), the box is ugly but i guess their trying to hide it like cable boxes. I really enjoyed to presentation kept thinking good luck Sony but I really worry about this getting Microsofts usual overheating problems. Doesn't look good internally really wish they would make a water cooled edition but I'll keep dreaming .

    31. kristijan1001
      05-21-2013
      01:46 PM
      31

      Xbox Console Looks 2/10 - (2 PSX Fat Ones Combined Each Other Ps3 Super Slim Is Dream For This One LoL)
      Xbox Controller Looks 9.5/10 - (Looks Pretty Nice)
      Xbox Ultimate Gaming Console 1/10 - (Ultimate Sports Console Maybe ? 30 Minutes Of The Stream Was The Contract The Made With NFL I Mean Really ?)
      Xbox Exclusives 0.5/10 - (Will We See At E3 They Said 8 New Franchise,For Me The HALO Game Is Very Good Game,But They Are Making It Like It Is A Best Game Ever Made "It Is Because They Only Have 1 Good Franchise Game" So They **** There Pants With How Amazing Is This Game,What Sony Should Do With All Of Those Famous Franchise ****+Cum There Pants ? All I Saw In To This Were Games That Would Be Launched On The Ps4 And Maybe It Will Run Better Those Games Since Ps4 Has 8GB DDR5 And Xbox Has DDR3 Which Is Huge Difference
      Xbox Is Not Always Online 10/10 - Bravo Microsoft

      I Am Done :D

    32. parminder_11
      05-21-2013
      01:50 PM
      32

      Why are there 2 hdmi ports ?

    33. Persian McLovin
      05-21-2013
      01:52 PM
      33

      Originally Posted by parminder_11
      Why are there 2 hdmi ports ?
      HDMI in, HDMI out...so you can bring the TV crap and the Xbox One together.

      I also love the "looks" of consoles which is why personally I'll never like the Slim or Super Slim over the original fat 60gb...that thing STILL looks amazing.

      Overall, eh not that impressed to be honest.

    34. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      01:53 PM
      34

      Originally Posted by parminder_11
      Why are there 2 hdmi ports ?
      On is Hdmi out and HDMI in.You can plug your cable box to the xbox to watch TV from it. But why would you want to waste all that power?

    35. Xero14
      05-21-2013
      01:54 PM
      35

      Really I thought it always on i missed that i guess, so looks like anti-DRM was just a rumor didn't think they would do it but worried a bit. Well see how the PS4 looks and some game previews. DDR5 vs 3 is a better future proof plan just glad they both have high amounts of ram.

    36. parminder_11
      05-21-2013
      01:55 PM
      36

      O,thanks for clarifying guys. Here I was hoping that we could hook this thing up to two monitors.

    37. sandungas
      05-21-2013
      02:02 PM
      37

      I made an squematic to represent the 2 features that was not commented in the conference, but uses to be present in microsoft hardware designs



      Now seriously... they have made the case bigger, and they uses a big fan and a good heatsink with copper pipes, it seems this time they prefered to be safe and keep space inside the case for future improvements in the next revisions of the console (if neccesary)

      But the "problem" i pointed im my drawing seems to be the critical in the airflow

    38. marty370
      05-21-2013
      02:05 PM
      38

      That was the worst reveals I've ever seen, so boring. Usual MS bull****. Want PS4 even more.

      MS designers make hidious boxes. Xbox One name sucks too, bad as Wii U.

    39. GregoryRasputin
      05-21-2013
      02:05 PM
      39

      Front Page Updated Again



      Originally Posted by marty370
      That was the worst reveal I every seen, so boring. Usual MS bull****. Want PS4 even more.

      MS designers make hidious boxes.
      LOL
      There is no surprise that this is coming from you, at least MS revealed the actual Games Console.

    40. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      02:09 PM
      40

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      Front Page Updated Again





      LOL
      There is no surprise that this is coming from you, at least MS revealed the actual Games Console.
      its not that hard to make a box, sony knows whats up

    41. Annelies
      05-21-2013
      02:10 PM
      41

      Originally Posted by marty370
      That was the worst reveals I've ever seen, so boring. Usual MS bull****. Want PS4 even more.

      MS designers make hidious boxes. Xbox One name sucks too, bad as Wii U.
      Somehow I feel like if Sony were to implement the exact same features into the PS4, you'd like it then.

    42. Persian McLovin
      05-21-2013
      02:21 PM
      42

      Definetly looks like Sony have bucked their ideas up...Wii U has been poor, this Xbox reveal is great tech-wise but as a gamer I was bored but Sony, I am impressed:



      From 4-chan summing up the Xbox One reveal:

    43. ICECOLDKILLAH
      05-21-2013
      02:33 PM
      43

    44. Cadirai
      05-21-2013
      02:34 PM
      44

      Well, either MS has ****ty lawyers or they don't consider the european market that important. Binding a game to an account is plain stupid, since the european court of justice said a long time ago that licences and thus games can be resold. The story with the fees for used games is really lunatic. Well, another reason for the new XBOX to fail.

    45. DEFAULTDNB
      05-21-2013
      02:37 PM
      45

      I didn't think I would be, but I'm hyped.

      The presentation was pretty good, the machine and features look awesome.

      Can you imagine the inevitable "Key" ODDE for this: 1Key (read: "wonky")

    46. kiwitothemax
      05-21-2013
      02:38 PM
      46

      No used games? Nice one Microsoft!

    47. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      02:44 PM
      47

      If each disk can be uniquely tied to a specific machine then that kills the rental market for sure along with being able to sale your used games.

    48. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      02:51 PM
      48

      Originally Posted by donglehater
      If each disk can be uniquely tied to a specific machine then that kills the rental market for sure along with being able to sale your used games.
      They said it would be tied to your account and if u want to let your son or brother etc play it on their account on the same xbox they will charge you a fee

    49. jivex5k
      05-21-2013
      02:52 PM
      49

      Consider this:
      The bluray disc cannot be changed. How would the xbox be notified that a game is already installed on another console without being connected to the internet? I can't think of any way except actually modifying the blu-ray disc.

      So if you have an offline system how could this possibly work? It would never know the game has been installed anywhere else unless the disc itself is modified.

      And the above post makes a good point I didn't think of. Since the kinect is required to use the Xbox One, will it be detecting people in the room for content authorization purposes?
      IDK.... I don't like the idea of a camera watching me being mandatory to play games. The next thing I know cops are knocking on my door because they saw my stash. Yeah, OK, that's a hyperbole, but IIRC MS has been known to happily supply information to police.

    50. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      02:56 PM
      50

      Originally Posted by Jay2biggy
      They said it would be tied to your account and if u want to let your son or brother etc play it on their account on the same xbox they will charge you a fee
      Yes, I read that and understand that its no different than what I said. It still kills the rental and resale market. I mean who is going to pay you for your copy when they put it into their machine and microsoft requires them to pay full price yet again?

    51. TOM1211
      05-21-2013
      02:59 PM
      51

      I don't want "one"

    52. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      03:06 PM
      52

      Originally Posted by TOM1211
      I don't want "one"
      Hell, no me neither, and dont think for a moment that the disks wont be same price or more expensive than this generation of games.

    53. marty370
      05-21-2013
      03:17 PM
      53

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      Front Page Updated Again





      LOL
      There is no surprise that this is coming from you, at least MS revealed the actual Games Console.
      Difference is Sony went first and got hype for not showing console, keeping gamers wanting more.

      They forced Microsofts hand, and they screwd up by showing TV crap, and a crappy generic box.

      Microsoft also made my mind up for me, I'm buying a PS4. Don't want a Crap ONE.

    54. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      03:21 PM
      54

      I wont buy either of em if later I cant sell any of it. **** em. Seems illegal to me.

    55. naddel81
      05-21-2013
      03:33 PM
      55

      so we still need internet in order to play games when we install them for the first time? that would suck ass!

    56. kristijan1001
      05-21-2013
      03:37 PM
      56

      Originally Posted by naddel81
      so we still need internet in order to play games when we install them for the first time? that would suck ass!
      no

    57. Annelies
      05-21-2013
      03:37 PM
      57

      Originally Posted by donglehater
      I wont buy either of em if later I cant sell any of it. **** em. Seems illegal to me.
      You can sell them. The person just can't play them.

    58. kristijan1001
      05-21-2013
      03:41 PM
      58

      Update Topic:

      Xbox One May Have Mandatory Game Installs

      Reports are claiming that Xbox One will require all games to be installed on the console's HDD before they can be played.

      According to Wired, if owners want to use the disc with a second account they'll be asked to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, suggesting that once games are installed you won't need to insert the disc to play.

      It's unclear what this means for the secondhand market, though Microsoft announced on an FAQ page (since removed) that the Xbox One is designed "to enable customers to trade in and resell games. We'll have more details to share later." It didn't reference the fees confirmed by Microsoft to Wired.

      We're not entirely sure what this means but have reached out to Microsoft for clarification and will update the story as soon as we hear back.

      Xbox One Will Not Function Without Kinect Attached


      After a Microsoft-hosted London event around the Xbox One reveal, Xbox's UK marketing director Harvey Eagle has said that the console will not function without Kinect connected.

      "Kinect does require to be connected to Xbox One in all cases, yes," he said. Asked whether the Xbox One will accommodate people who perhaps play in their bedroom rather than their living room, Eagle replied: "Yes, absolutely. We use the living room almost as a moniker - that's where we assume the best screen is in the house. But if you like to play in any other room in the house, the Xbox One will deliver the same quality of experience whatever the environment."

      As anyone who's ever tried to play with Kinect in an enclosed area knows, the current technology simply doesn't support it - which means that Xbox One's new Kinect sensor must be significantly different if it will work in any room in the house.

      Xbox One Doesn’t Require an Always-On Internet Connection


      Another Microsoft representative, UK marketing director Harvey Eagle, has confirmed that the Xbox One doesn't require a constant internet connection. "The answer to that question is no. You do not require an always-on connection to be able to use Xbox One," he said. "It is clearly designed to be connected to the Internet, and hopefully from what you've just seen you realize some of the benefits that brings. But if your Internet connection drops, you will still be able to play games, still be able to watch Blu-Ray movies, and still be able to watch live TV."

      Shortly after the Xbox Reveal event today, Microsoft revealed that its new console does not require a constant internet connection.

      Microsoft's Don Mattrick has confirmed that the Xbox One is not "always on."
      The news disproves rumors that have been kicking around since last year and building ever since. Earlier this year, controversy over the requirement led to the departure of Microsoft Studios creative director Adam Orth, though an alleged internal memo later debunked the feature.

      Sony Stock Up Nine Percent After Xbox One Reveal


      Sony’s stock closed today at 22.91 points, nearly two points higher than it was eight hours before. That’s good for a 9.25 percent jump in Sony’s market price, an outrageous jump that many companies would kill for. Then again, with such a low market valuation, such jumps aren’t unheard of for companies in Sony’s position.

      Microsoft's stock closed down 0.66 percent, seemingly unaffected one way or another by Xbox One.



      Your first instinct might be that this has to do with Xbox One’s reveal, which was light on games and heavy on entertainment. That might be part of it, but as Bloomberg reports, the stock jump seems to have been driven primarily by a rumor we first reported on last week: Sony may be spinning off its entertainment division.

      Bloomberg notes that the jump correlated directly with a report from massive Japanese newspaper Nikkei that the company is indeed “leaning toward spinning off its entertainment division,” which is primarily comprised of Sony Pictures Entertainment and Sony Music Entertainment. Such a move was first publically suggested by Daniel S. Loeb, a hedge fund manager who happens to own 6.5 percent of Sony.

      The article also notes that “Sony executives are holding their regular corporate strategy meeting in Tokyo tomorrow. The company has relied on profit from its entertainment division to offset losses from its flagship consumer electronics business.”

      What Sony’s actual strategy is remains to be seen, but between this fresh Nikkei rumor and, presumably, Xbox One’s reveal, Sony’s stock is surging.

      Source: IGN

    59. KopKaasDamp
      05-21-2013
      03:41 PM
      59

      I bit of a disappointment for me, after 6 years of ps3 i thought a go back to the xbox but after this i wait what $ony can offer me.
      I want a nextgen hardcore gaming console with some new stuff in it, not a mediabox, i got one already.

    60. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      03:41 PM
      60

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      You can sell them. The person just can't play them.

      Here in Indiana its difficult to sell something another is unable to use, maybe things are different in San Francisco?

      Oh, you were being funny.

      OMG, this site is running like a turd tonight.

    61. bubbleboy
      05-21-2013
      03:42 PM
      61

      sounds ****.. ****ing facebook twitter tivo skype always online sharing cameras kinekt

      i already have a media pc

      JUST MAKE GOOD CONSOLE GAMES YOU STUPID CVNTS

    62. KopKaasDamp
      05-21-2013
      03:43 PM
      62

      I bit of a disappointment for me, after 6 years of ps3 i thought a go back to the xbox but after this i wait what $ony can offer me.
      I want a nextgen hardcore gaming console with some new stuff in it, not a mediabox, i got one already.

    63. furtsiv
      05-21-2013
      04:11 PM
      63

      anyone may want to know what ONE means:
      graphics inspired from the original PsOne like the old days
      a good record of less than ONE year to get rrod or whatever
      ONE year guarantee
      only ONE person can play on it over all her lifetime
      any ONE can give it as gift to his dog....

    64. bubbleboy
      05-21-2013
      04:11 PM
      64

      I don't want to have a ****ing Skype session while I watch football, I want to watch football when I want to watch football. I don't want to give up valuable real estate to a ****ing web browser when I'm watching a movie, I want to concentrate on the movie.

      In fact, I would contend that the director did a ****ty job of making the movie if you can only half-way pay attention for a few minutes while ****ing about on the Internet and not miss something.

      I don't want my saved games "in the cloud" where I can't access them if my ISP takes a ****. If you're going to put half a terabyte of disk in the thing, let me save a few 1MB save files on it. In fact, my Xbox360 is one of the few electronic things I can still use if my ISP takes a **** these days.

    65. rastaman46
      05-21-2013
      04:15 PM
      65

      Is good here Microsoft have to pay sony to use Bluray :D

    66. naddel81
      05-21-2013
      04:18 PM
      66

      again the question is: how does "the disc" know that it has been installed before on someone elses console? since the disc are not writable, it has to be a notification during the first install. so YES, you need to be online to install games. otherwise microsofts "second install - pay fee"-system wouldn't work!

    67. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      04:46 PM
      67

      They want you on the dam Xbox all day in front of the Connect. Watchin Movies, tv shows playing games using apps. Apparently Microsoft does not give a crap about your light bill because im 90% sure that xbox sucks up light more then Pamela Anderson sucks a ****

      Hey i dont know if you guys heard of this guy Angry Joe he is a Xbox lover and he also has a problem with the reveal check him out

      Xbox One Reveal: Angry Rant - YouTube

    68. Cheesethief
      05-21-2013
      04:56 PM
      68

      Originally Posted by naddel81
      again the question is: how does "the disc" know that it has been installed before on someone elses console? since the disc are not writable, it has to be a notification during the first install. so YES, you need to be online to install games. otherwise microsofts "second install - pay fee"-system wouldn't work!
      Perhaps the games will work up until you connect to the internet. So you can, by all means, play the games offline, so long as your console never gets connected to the internet.

      Well, neither this presentation nor the Sony one were much good. Though I think Sony's was a bit more interesting to watch.

    69. ravi0213
      05-21-2013
      05:03 PM
      69

      "Xbox Open IE"
      "XBox go to Amazon"
      "Xbox buy me a PS4"
      "Xbox sell yourself on ebay"
      "Xbox shutdown."

    70. wolfpacleader1986
      05-21-2013
      05:04 PM
      70

      I'm a HUGE Xbox 360 mark and I have to say, I'm NOT impressed at all and when this generation is set and done, I might actually skip this console(the last couple generations I usually have every one by the end).

      Why?

      -I already HAVE a set-top TV box. I have a Hauppauge HD-DVR that is connected to my computer with my cable box and has a port for S-Video and Composite so I can watch my tapes, laserdiscs, and CED's and rip them too. Most people I know that want set-top DVR's already have them. It's only about $10-15 extra a month through their local cable or satellite provider and is a lot of times given free for a year.

      -Xbox One? What the fu*k are we supposed to call the FIRST Xbox then?

      -I have to pay a FEE if I want to play a used or rented game on my Xbox? FU*K YOU! I'll wait until that sh*t gets modded so I don't have to. You see, THIS is why systems get modded. When will you console makers understand that the more you try and make it seem like we are just renting the hardware and locking it down, the MORE we will hack it and remove those limits? Besides, what the fu*k are we supposed to do when the system dies and the servers are shut off?

      -EA and Microsoft have a "special" relationship? I guess we finally figured out why EA is bashing the Wii U so much and halted games for it. They were probably paid off.....

      -On top of that, the new Xbox is NOT backwards compatible. At least Sony is TRYING to make their new PS4 play PS3 titles even if it's not directly backwards compatible.

      So, it's NO THANK YOU for the new Xbox for me.

    71. marty370
      05-21-2013
      05:07 PM
      71

      Originally Posted by Jay2biggy
      They want you on the dam Xbox all day in front of the Connect. Watchin Movies, tv shows playing games using apps. Apparently Microsoft does not give a crap about your light bill because im 90% sure that xbox sucks up light more then Pamela Anderson sucks a ****

      Hey i dont know if you guys heard of this guy Angry Joe he is a Xbox lover and he also has a problem with the reveal check him out

      Xbox One Reveal: Angry Rant - YouTube
      lol, one pissed off Xbox Fanboy.

      Bet ther millions more Xbox fanboys like this, shouting at the TV.

      Guess the FUTURE looking ROSEY for SONY

    72. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      05:15 PM
      72

      Originally Posted by wolfpacleader1986
      At least Sony is TRYING to make their new PS4 play PS3 titles even if it's not directly backwards compatible.
      Nobody has any idea if Sony is truly trying to do anything or if its just a marketing strategy created specifically to get us, the ones who already own old playstation disks to jump on board. Why after seeing that xbox isnt going to be backward compatible would Sony? Have they actually struck you this generation as being more fair than microsoft? Seriously?

      ..........and how exactly would these old disks work in a new system created to only allow one disk to work in one system?

    73. wolfpacleader1986
      05-21-2013
      05:18 PM
      73

      Originally Posted by donglehater
      Nobody has any idea if Sony is truly trying to do anything or if its just a marketing strategy created specifically to get us, the ones who already own old playstation disks to jump on board. Why after seeing that xbox isnt going to be backward compatible would Sony? Have they actually struck you this generation as being more fair than microsoft? Seriously?

      ..........and how exactly would these old disks work in a new system created to only allow one disk to work in one system?
      It's future proofing. How would we have known how to play old PS2 games on slim consoles?

      Also, I don't ever remember Sony saying ANYTHING about blocking used and rental games.....

    74. hellsing9
      05-21-2013
      05:23 PM
      74

      Originally Posted by MJ999
      Sata Connector on Mobo?

      Guess this console will be easily exploited?
      Yeah [MENTION=275248]PS4Exploits[/MENTION] (creative username) haz all the answers to that.

      ============

      Ontopic:

      If some of you only will make assumptions just looking at the box. I doubt we can make a decent discussion over here.
      That's why i didn't lift a finger to post Xbox related nor PS4 related.
      Too many fanboys that doesn't know how to handle a different point of view/opinion than theirs.

      I just don't like it but doesn't mean that the product is a piece of junk.

    75. richdotward
      05-21-2013
      05:28 PM
      75

      Ps4 for me. No used games then no sale.

      Rich

      Sent from my Nexus 4

    76. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      05:29 PM
      76

      Originally Posted by wolfpacleader1986
      It's future proofing. How would we have known how to play old PS2 games on slim consoles?

      Also, I don't ever remember Sony saying ANYTHING about blocking used and rental games.....
      Gregory Rasputin actually posted a patent that Sony was submitting for that very technology. I assure you that it will be in the next Sony product. Why, after seeing that Microsoft was going to go forth with theirs would they not also follow suit?

    77. Annelies
      05-21-2013
      05:31 PM
      77

      Originally Posted by donglehater
      Gregory Rasputin actually posted a patent that Sony was submitting for that very technology. I assure you that it will be in the next Sony product. Why, after seeing that Microsoft was going to go forth with theirs would they not also follow suit?
      Because Sony is by the people, for the people. They are pro consumer. Didn't you know?

    78. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      05:32 PM
      78

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      Because Sony is by the people, for the people. They are pro consumer. Didn't you know?
      I think out in San Fran you guys got way better weed than we got in Indiana.

    79. wolfpacleader1986
      05-21-2013
      05:35 PM
      79

      Originally Posted by donglehater
      Gregory Rasputin actually posted a patent that Sony was submitting for that very technology. I assure you that it will be in the next Sony product. Why, after seeing that Microsoft was going to go forth with theirs would they not also follow suit?
      Because they value the retailers and customers and after seeing the backlash over the used games debacle won't do it?

      Say what you will, I never had ONE issue with Sony when I had issues with my previous 160GB slim. In fact, they were very understanding and helpful.

    80. Cheesethief
      05-21-2013
      05:50 PM
      80



      Sony patents a lot of things, but introducing a DRM that blocks used games will not equal more sales. They know gamers won't like it, they see the outrage MS is getting. Why wouldn't they bank on the fact that their console allows used games without a fee?

      Sony is a crappy company and so is Microsoft, I am not denying that, but going the "no used sales" route is equivalent shooting themselves in the foot.

    81. FreePlay
      05-21-2013
      06:17 PM
      81

      Originally Posted by kristijan1001
      Another Microsoft representative, UK marketing director Harvey Eagle, has confirmed that the Xbox One doesn't require a constant internet connection. "The answer to that question is no. You do not require an always-on connection to be able to use Xbox One," he said. "It is clearly designed to be connected to the Internet, and hopefully from what you've just seen you realize some of the benefits that brings. But if your Internet connection drops, you will still be able to play games, still be able to watch Blu-Ray movies, and still be able to watch live TV."

      Shortly after the Xbox Reveal event today, Microsoft revealed that its new console does not require a constant internet connection.

      Microsoft's Don Mattrick has confirmed that the Xbox One is not "always on."
      The news disproves rumors that have been kicking around since last year and building ever since. Earlier this year, controversy over the requirement led to the departure of Microsoft Studios creative director Adam Orth, though an alleged internal memo later debunked the feature.
      Yeah, that's total bull****. Several pieces of news prove that this system must be always-on.

      First, there's the fact that you're installing it to the hard drive. The only way they're going to prevent the same game from being installed to multiple systems is to ship the games with a registration code, like an Online Pass. This is likely what the fee to play with a second account will be, as well. For the purposes of preventing multiple installations, they're going to force you to be online to install and register the game.

      Second, a Microsoft representative on Twitter confirmed that pre-owned games will be un-installed from the previous owner's system when installed to a new system. This can only possibly work if both consoles are always on.

      In fact, to make that second part work, you'd basically have to have two registration keys with each disc: one 'original purchase' key and one 'share' key that can be reused for a fee. The first owner would use the 'original purchase' key. When the new owner buys the game, they use the 'share' key, and Microsoft's server tracks down whoever has the 'original purchase' key, deactivates their copy, and copies the 'original purchase' key to the new owner's system.

      If either console were allowed to be offline, this system would fail. The new owner would never be able to install the game until the original owner came online and their system could be deactivated.

    82. wolfpacleader1986
      05-21-2013
      06:18 PM
      82

      BTW, I just got a text from one of my friends:

      "Is this thing really called the Xbox One? Fitting name, seeing how the console is a giant step backwards...."

      LMFAO

      BTW, they DID mention just now about the internet connection:

      http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-requ...ay-o-509164109

      Originally Posted by Kotaku
      Kotaku: If I’m playing a single player game, do I have to be online at least once per hour or something like that? Or can I go weeks and weeks?

      Harrison: I believe it’s 24 hours.

      Kotaku: I’d have to connect online once every day.

      Harrison: Correct.
      As for the registration code, it probably will not use it. Sony doesn't use registration codes for the PS3 Cross Buy and once activated on one account, you cannot use it again on another. I tried already. It's probably going to be unique to the disc itself.

      OH! And listen to THIS HORSESH*T!



      Originally Posted by Computerandvideogames.com
      Microsoft corporate vice president Phil Harrison has suggested that customers who activate a pre-owned retail disc for the Xbox One will need to pay the same price as the original buyer to access the content.

      When asked by Kotaku whether the secondhand owner will be "paying the same price we [the original buyer] paid, or less" Harrison responded "let's assume it's a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price."

      Harrison also said that owners can trade their secondhand games online, however the company is "not talking about it today".
      THEN WHAT THE FU*K'S THE POINT OF BUYING USED?!

    83. FreePlay
      05-21-2013
      06:27 PM
      83

      I forgot to mention: the fact that a new 'owner' has to pay a fee to play a pre-owned game is going to utterly destroy the game rental industry's interest in Microsoft's systems and games for this generation. I can't understand how Microsoft thought this was a good idea. Game rental is cheap marketing.

      Originally Posted by wolfpacleader1986
      THEN WHAT THE FU*K'S THE POINT OF BUYING USED?!
      Precisely. They want to get their pound of flesh from every sale. It's absurdly close to illegal.

      This is not something we put up with for anything else. Movie companies don't get a cut from DVD or Bluray resales. People would ****ing riot if they tried that. Books, music, cars, electronics, ... NOTHING else is like this.

      The only way to get console manufacturers to stop is to refuse to buy their ****ty console.

    84. jivex5k
      05-21-2013
      06:32 PM
      84

      So the truth comes out on Kotaku...
      Well, if the system gets rooted, or when it gets rooted I should say, hopefully they can activate the content like PSNReact does.

    85. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      06:33 PM
      85

      These guys are trying really hard to figure out what is good about the new XBOX lol

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKoVyMUMcYE

    86. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      06:39 PM
      86

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief


      Sony patents a lot of things, but introducing a DRM that blocks used games will not equal more sales. They know gamers won't like it, they see the outrage MS is getting. Why wouldn't they bank on the fact that their console allows used games without a fee?

      Sony is a crappy company and so is Microsoft, I am not denying that, but going the "no used sales" route is equivalent shooting themselves in the foot.
      I think your reasoning is sound, thats why I know Sony will never do it. You will see............YOU WILL ALL SEE!

    87. FreePlay
      05-21-2013
      06:43 PM
      87

      Wait, Kotaku got the MS guy to admit you have to be online at least once per day? Wow! So... if I buy a game used, I might have to wait almost a full day to be able to play it? LOL.

      Not to mention, THESE ARE BLURAY GAMES BEING INSTALLED ON AN HDD. Most current-gen Bluray games are 6GB or more! I can't image how long it's going to take to install these.

    88. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      06:48 PM
      88

      Ok guys last one but this is the best one by far LMAOOO


      http://kotaku.com/francis-weighs-in-...972?autoplay=1

    89. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      06:50 PM
      89

      Originally Posted by Jay2biggy
      Ok guys last one but this is the best one by far LMAOOO


      http://kotaku.com/francis-weighs-in-...972?autoplay=1
      Holy **** this guy; is lispy and grossly overweight and sadly probably still gets more pussy than me.


      How is **** on the list and pussy isnt?? Something to ponder.

    90. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      06:51 PM
      90

      Originally Posted by donglehater
      Holy **** this guy; is lispy and grossly overweight and sadly probably still gets more pussy than me.
      LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

    91. GregoryRasputin
      05-21-2013
      06:55 PM
      91

      Originally Posted by donglehater
      Holy **** this guy; is lispy and grossly overweight and sadly probably still gets more pussy than me.


      How is **** on the list and pussy isnt?? Something to ponder.
      The lisp is an act, Francis is a character of YouTube Celebrity boogie2988 and his gf is sexy.

    92. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      06:59 PM
      92

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      The lisp is an act, Francis is a character of YouTube Celebrity boogie2988 and his gf is sexy.
      People with youtube fame scare me except for comicbookgirl19 this ****** is super sexy and straight up with everything she talks about. If I were 20 years younger this would be my woman.

    93. wolfpacleader1986
      05-21-2013
      07:01 PM
      93

      Originally Posted by jivex5k
      So the truth comes out on Kotaku...
      Well, if the system gets rooted, or when it gets rooted I should say, hopefully they can activate the content like PSNReact does.
      Which is why I ALWAYS go to Kotaku for my game news. They are as unbiased as can be. Hell, they even got into some sh*t a few years ago with a publisher who's name escapes me because they wouldn't retract a story that later became truth.

      Unlike IGN who's always got their noses up the asses of video game companies(especially that tool Greg Miller).


      Originally Posted by Jay2biggy
      Ok guys last one but this is the best one by far LMAOOO

      http://kotaku.com/francis-weighs-in-...972?autoplay=1

      MOTHER OF GOD! Look, I'll admit. I'm a big guy, but JESUS FU*KING CHRIST! Greenpeace would probably throw his ass back into the ocean if he ever went there. How do girls fall for THAT and how would they FU*K? HONESTLY?! He's so big, Hulk Hogan wouldn't be able to bodyslam him......

    94. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      07:19 PM
      94

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief


      Sony patents a lot of things, but introducing a DRM that blocks used games will not equal more sales. They know gamers won't like it, they see the outrage MS is getting. Why wouldn't they bank on the fact that their console allows used games without a fee?

      Sony is a crappy company and so is Microsoft, I am not denying that, but going the "no used sales" route is equivalent shooting themselves in the foot.
      Loved your cartoon strip, if indeed it is yours..............doesnt really matter I suppose gave me a laugh. Anyway, made it into an animation for you or whoever.

    95. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      07:26 PM
      95

      Ok guys its confirmed if u buy a game and install it on your xbox one console all the accounts on that console could play it wit no fee but if u lend it to your friend he has to pay full price for the game. The only convenient part is your friend does not have to go to the store to buy the game lol. Anyways i hope Sony does not follow suit, all they said was "they are going to do the right thing".

    96. Cheesethief
      05-21-2013
      07:39 PM
      96

      [MENTION=231034]donglehater[/MENTION], No, I just found it on the internet. Awesome animation though.

    97. mrBear
      05-21-2013
      07:43 PM
      97

      This reveal was utter crap. It concentrated on TV more than games. I couldn't care less about TV services, or browsing while watching a movie on a GAMING CONSOLE. The gaming presentation were poor, and it seems the xbox will have mainly sports games as exclusives. In this case the PS4 will wipe the floor with this console.

    98. VIRGIN KLM
      05-21-2013
      07:45 PM
      98

      Do you know what annoys me the most? The fact that things on next gen consoles don't look good and together with the global economic crysis companies instead of doing their best to attract people and opening new horizons, they are being @$$holes... This thing with the used games policy is a serious reason to boycoot them, even EA, a company not famous for having a good relationship with their costumers, they discontinued their online pass thing, but these people, ugh... I mean they must have some real BALLS/ARROGACY/RUDENESS to take things a step even further and lock everything, especialy in a critical period like now.

      I couldn't be more happy with my decision to quit console gaming, these people are nuts, console video game industry is going rapidly from bad to the worst and I don't want to be a part of it when it will eventualy deflate and everybody will see that they invested in an ecosystem that is sick...

    99. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      07:46 PM
      99

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      [MENTION=231034]donglehater[/MENTION], No, I just found it on the internet. Awesome animation though.
      Its an easy program, but thanks just the same bro.

    100. BobbyBangin
      05-21-2013
      07:48 PM
      100

      Originally Posted by Jay2biggy
      Ok guys its confirmed if u buy a game and install it on your xbox one console all the accounts on that console could play it wit no fee but if u lend it to your friend he has to pay full price for the game. The only convenient part is your friend does not have to go to the store to buy the game lol. Anyways i hope Sony does not follow suit, all they said was "they are going to do the right thing".
      Xbox ONE games are tied to the owners account, you must pay MS a licensing fee if you buy used games...

      That's the deal breaker for me. Mi�rosoft is f'n greedy.

      Besides that, my PC is already more powerful than this thing.

      On a side note, I find it humorous that the first comment is comparing it to the Wii U. This only makes me feel better about going with my PC and Wii U combo.

    101. NTA
      05-21-2013
      07:50 PM
      101

      Originally Posted by PS4Exploits
      Thank you greg, Unlike other mods on this site you post useful things
      What's that supposed to mean

    102. jivex5k
      05-21-2013
      07:51 PM
      102

      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      even EA, a company not famous for having a good relationship with their costumers, they discontinued their online pass
      Yup, because the Xbox One requires the online pass by default. In fact, it will probably charge more than the $10.00 EA charges, but that's purely speculation. And like magic, the online pass' whole intention works on any game, not just EA.

      EA didn't suddenly listen to their customers, they are already covered by default now.

    103. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      07:51 PM
      103

      Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM
      Do you know what annoys me the most? The fact that things on next gen consoles don't look good and together with the global economic crysis companies instead of doing their best to attract people and opening new horizons, they are being @$$holes... This thing with the used games policy is a serious reason to boycoot them, even EA, a company not famous for having a good relationship with their costumers, they discontinued their online pass thing, but these people, ugh... I mean they must have some real BALLS/ARROGACY/RUDENESS to take things a step even further and lock everything, especialy in a critical period like now.

      I couldn't be more happy with my decision to quit console gaming, these people are nuts, console video game industry is going rapidly from bad to the worst and I don't want to be a part of it when it will eventualy deflate and everybody will see that they invested in an ecosystem that is sick...
      Come on Man, EA is the turdiest of the turds and they merely see this as an opportunity to ingratiate themselves back with the players that they have been raping for the past few years with their making every renter who wants to play online purchase an online pass and they are now doing this because they know that online passes will no longer matter once the new consoles are released in a few months because of this new one disk to one console security.

      Dont be fooled by this.

    104. Cheesethief
      05-21-2013
      07:56 PM
      104

      Originally Posted by jivex5k
      Yup, because the Xbox One requires the online pass by default. In fact, it will probably charge more than the $10.00 EA charges, but that's purely speculation. And like magic, the online pass' whole intention works on any game, not just EA.

      EA didn't suddenly listen to their customers, they are already covered by default now.
      It's not speculation when a Microsoft corporate VP says this:
      Originally Posted by wolfpacleader1986
      OH! And listen to THIS HORSESH*T!

      Originally Posted by Computerandvideogames.com

      Microsoft corporate vice president Phil Harrison has suggested that customers who activate a pre-owned retail disc for the Xbox One will need to pay the same price as the original buyer to access the content.

      When asked by Kotaku whether the secondhand owner will be "paying the same price we [the original buyer] paid, or less" Harrison responded "let's assume it's a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price."

      Harrison also said that owners can trade their secondhand games online, however the company is "not talking about it today".


      THEN WHAT THE FU*K'S THE POINT OF BUYING USED?!

    105. OoZic
      05-21-2013
      07:58 PM
      105

      Originally Posted by wolfpacleader1986
      THEN WHAT THE FU*K'S THE POINT OF BUYING USED?!
      [money mode = on]
      The same reason as why physical copies of a Wii-U game are more expensive as their download version..... some people still want the real physical copy and that is it.

      And rentals? People can download a demo version and play it. I f they want more they can buy it. Why let people rent a game for a day if they can finish that same game (most of the times) in a day? That is not economic [money-mode = off]

      Ow, this is just me trying to replace myself in a big entertainment executive with only money on his mind. And that is the point, the whole gaming and entertainment industry is moving this way, not only M$.

      Big Brother is getting us more in his grip day by day..... learn to live with it or try to change it.... everybody's own choice

    106. jivex5k
      05-21-2013
      08:02 PM
      106

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      It's not speculation when a Microsoft corporate VP says this:
      Well, I hope Sony doesn't follow their lead. The PC industry is already doing it to some extent, (Steam, Blizzard).

      I enjoyed the golden era quite a bit but the industry realizes the only way to stop piracy is to enforce online activation. It won't completely stop it for single player games, but multiplayer games (unless they support lan, which is dying trend), are pretty much safe from piracy.

      Hell, even some single player games are now, like Simcity. Server emulators take a long time to get right AFAIK.

      It's been a hell of a ride, but the cart is slowing down for sure.

    107. BobbyBangin
      05-21-2013
      08:03 PM
      107

      Originally Posted by OoZic
      [money mode = on]
      The same reason as why physical copies of a Wii-U game are more expensive as their download version..... some people still want the real physical copy and that is it.

      And rentals? People can download a demo version and play it. I f they want more they can buy it. Why let people rent a game for a day if they can finish that same game (most of the times) in a day? That is not economic [money-mode = off]

      Ow, this is just me trying to replace myself in a big entertainment executive with only money on his mind. And that is the point, the whole gaming and entertainment industry is moving this way, not only M$.

      Big Brother is getting us more in his grip day by day..... learn to live with it or try to change it.... everybody's own choice
      This is what I've been warning against for quite some time now, but fanboys have been playing right into their hands. I hate to say, "I told you so" but, "I told you so"

    108. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      08:06 PM
      108

      Originally Posted by OoZic
      [money mode = on]
      The same reason as why physical copies of a Wii-U game are more expensive as their download version..... some people still want the real physical copy and that is it.

      And rentals? People can download a demo version and play it. I f they want more they can buy it. Why let people rent a game for a day if they can finish that same game (most of the times) in a day? That is not economic [money-mode = off]

      Ow, this is just me trying to replace myself in a big entertainment executive with only money on his mind. And that is the point, the whole gaming and entertainment industry is moving this way, not only M$.

      Big Brother is getting us more in his grip day by day..... learn to live with it or try to change it.... everybody's own choice
      If by your reasoning a person can finish a rented 60 dollar game in one day I ask, was it ever truly worth 60 dollars?

      These companies will end up cutting their own throats and Im all for it if Im to be perfectly honest with everyone. I think they have been raping us for years with their street fighters and super street fighters and super street fighter turbos and then a few months later with their super street fighter turbo new challengers.

    109. jivex5k
      05-21-2013
      08:16 PM
      109

      Originally Posted by donglehater
      If by your reasoning a person can finish a rented 60 dollar game in one day I ask, was it ever truly worth 60 dollars?

      These companies will end up cutting their own throats and Im all for it if Im to be perfectly honest with everyone. I think they have been raping us for years with their street fighters and super street fighters and super street fighter turbos and then a few months later with their super street fighter turbo new challengers.
      Not to mention the on disc DLC.

    110. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      08:19 PM
      110

      Well guys im sure if the xbox one gets low sales microsoft will do something about it. Look at the Wii U they have an update coming making the gamepad portable, now thats badass

    111. prido
      05-21-2013
      08:20 PM
      111

      Charging for 2nd hand games and Offline pass?Wth is this?

    112. DEUS0x82
      05-21-2013
      08:20 PM
      112

      I really don't like the PS4 controller, I don't need another touch/lcd device. I would of preferred a more ergonomic design to improve game play, no more dualshock. Xbox controller looks like they put some thought into to it but who knows until you play it.

      I think getting tech devices to just stick to their original purpose is to much to ask for now a days, sad.

      I'm not sure what's the future for used games but cloud gaming will take over eventually anyway! Physical media will disappear. Smart TV's will be the best all-in one devices but they cost too much, so other devices will fill the void until then. I still just want a dedicated game console doesn't look like that's going to happen.

    113. donglehater
      05-21-2013
      08:22 PM
      113

      Originally Posted by jivex5k
      Not to mention the on disc DLC.
      I get it, they have content they want to sell you, but you have already purchased the disk and there is additional contest on it that can only be released after additional purchase that costs the producer no extra money.

      Its shameful if you ask me.

    114. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      08:31 PM
      114

      Im scared guys sony might do the same thing i mean they have too cuz you know that if one company does it the other has to do the same to get it even i guess. ****ttttt

      oh and some more news Xbox One hdd cannot be replaced by users

    115. BobbyBangin
      05-21-2013
      08:46 PM
      115

      Originally Posted by Jay2biggy
      Im scared guys sony might do the same thing i mean they have too cuz you know that if one company does it the other has to do the same to get it even i guess. ****ttttt

      oh and some more news Xbox One hdd cannot be replaced by users
      $ony already has a patent for that

      http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php...y+patent+games

    116. $n!pR
      05-21-2013
      08:47 PM
      116

    117. ploggy
      05-21-2013
      08:52 PM
      117

      So... that's what happened to all the VCR's
      Seriously tho, I like it. It looks kinda retro. Just hope there wont be any heat issues with this one.

    118. Cheesethief
      05-21-2013
      08:55 PM
      118

      Originally Posted by ploggy
      So... that's what happened to all the VCR's
      Seriously tho, I like it. It looks kinda retro. Just hope there wont be any heat issues with this one.
      According to [MENTION=202964]sandungas[/MENTION] heat just may end up being a problem again:

    119. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      08:59 PM
      119

      Originally Posted by BobbyBangin
      yea i seen that before but sony also has a patent for decreased times on demos, the more you play the less time you get. What im trying to say is Sony make a crap load of patents but it does not mean they are going to use them. But after today who knows, like i said My parents being business owners companies copy eachother.

    120. ploggy
      05-21-2013
      09:04 PM
      120

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      According to [MENTION=202964]sandungas[/MENTION] heat just may end up being a problem again:


      looking at that pic I don't think Xbox One will have the same problems they did with the old phat's, it seems to be the same cooling setup as the 360 Slim and that doesn't suffer heat issues.

    121. Cheesethief
      05-21-2013
      09:06 PM
      121

      Originally Posted by ploggy
      looking at that pic I don't think Xbox One will have the same problems they did with the old phat's, it seems to be the same cooling setup as the 360 Slim and that doesn't suffer heat issues.
      Yes, but you remember how the Xbox 360 Slim has vents in the case? This one seems to be missing those top vents. It looks like it has slitting above the CPU area on the case, but I am inclined to believe that being more aesthetic than anything....


      Why isn't this type of picture on the front page? The front only has pictures of it disassembled....
      Is it just me or does it look like they just tacked on a plastic casing on a debugging station and called it good?

    122. ploggy
      05-21-2013
      09:11 PM
      122

      They would be stupid not to put vents on the top of the case. Iv'e had a quick search for a top view of the case but cant seem to find a decent pic but from what I can see there are vents on the top.?


      Edit: Also looking at the disassembled pic, it doesnt look like the hdd's are interchangeable, unless the vent lifts up?

    123. VIRGIN KLM
      05-21-2013
      09:20 PM
      123

      Originally Posted by donglehater
      Come on Man, EA is the turdiest of the turds and they merely see this as an opportunity to ingratiate themselves back with the players that they have been raping for the past few years with their making every renter who wants to play online purchase an online pass and they are now doing this because they know that online passes will no longer matter once the new consoles are released in a few months because of this new one disk to one console security.

      Dont be fooled by this.
      PUH-LEASE, You know, there are more companies than EA and they dissagree with the whole concept of blocking used games and now Microsoft forces them to use it? This is not going to end up well...

      Microsoft are nuts, they stuck the same kind of retardness from Sony and they took it to a whole new level.
      I mean seriously, a console that it is mandatory to sign in on the net once every 24 hours? Oh boy I can sense already the negativity they will recieve and the amount of negativity they will recieve will be uncomparable to anything in the past. I smell a second and greater PS3 bad story events here.

      Seriously, even for me, a person that is known to boycoot for life Sony, when I thought that a company can't be more delusional than Sony, we get this from Microsoft now. Is there somekind of a retard contest going on in console video game industry or somethin'? Because all this situation makes WiiU look like it's a gem, I can see through all these stupid things Sony and Microsoft do a light/potential to WiiU to get better sales and dominate or even be a worth and strong competitor to the market...

    124. sandungas
      05-21-2013
      09:57 PM
      124


      The hot air is extracted to the left (when in horizontal).... or the top if you place the console in vertical
      At the right there is another small air vent for extraction (blocked if you place the console in vertical)

      The problem with the heatsink and the airflow i can only explain with another drawing

      The heatsink has the "metal elements" aligned in paralell to the frontal, so the air is expulsed at the sides (not at the back)
      They could rotate the heatsink 90� and extract all the air to the back with a big hole and a tunnel.... but the hdd is blocking this way, to solve this they could move the hdd to the left... but then if you place the console vertically the air is cummulated at top

      The solution i see ?... build the heatsink with the metal elements in "angle" rotated at 45� ... this way the air is forced to pass trough the bottleneck very fast (and move a bit the hdd to make the bottleneck bigger)



      Edit:
      Btw, there is a photo of the air vents at the back in the video posted before (the guy that was mad but trying to take a nap, lol)

    125. wolfpacleader1986
      05-21-2013
      10:02 PM
      125

      Originally Posted by Jay2biggy
      Look at the Wii U they have an update coming making the gamepad portable, now thats badass
      Where did you hear this? I'm curious.

    126. ploggy
      05-21-2013
      10:16 PM
      126

      But the DVD drive is lifted from the MOBO correct? so air will be pulled from the side under the drive and to the fan?

    127. Jay2biggy
      05-21-2013
      10:31 PM
      127

      Originally Posted by wolfpacleader1986
      Where did you hear this? I'm curious.
      saw it a dashhacks.com that Nintendo cuz of low sales are bringing that feature in to boost sales but they said most likely u cant go online with it cuz of the chip it has but u can download your games from the wii u and then take the gamepad whereever u want

    128. psg
      05-21-2013
      10:35 PM
      128

      I mean, the 360, which I play almost every day, was nothing more than a dumbed down PC, with some lovely exclusive games, so I still like it very much.

      But, so far, the Xbox one seems to be a Tivo with a fancy webcam that will play games as an afterthought. Don't get me wrong, this will be glorious for all those people who thought watching TV with a remote control was too complicated. But what about us gamers? But, hell, at least, unlike another company that concentrated on games, and game related things mostly, they showed what the console looks like, right...? Well, it would be a good thing, if it didn't look like they stole the design from late 80s VCRs.

      But all jokes aside. This presentation was a absolutely underwhelming, as far as gaming goes. The EA Sports line, Forza, and Call Of Duty? Woopty doo. Games everyone knew would be on the next Xbox. Quantum Break was the only thing worth mentioning, really.

      I am really, really hoping they show some neat things at E3. And maybe that's what they did. They kept all the cool gaming related stuff for E3. But why?

    129. sandungas
      05-21-2013
      10:37 PM
      129

      Originally Posted by ploggy
      But the DVD drive is lifted from the MOBO correct? so air will be pulled from the side under the drive and to the fan?
      Yes, i think most of the hot air is supposed to pass under the BD drive, but look at the height or the slot in the photos of the frontal.... the slot is somewhere near the middle, so i think the area blocked is something like this:

    130. Cheesethief
      05-21-2013
      10:48 PM
      130

      I don't know guys, but the overall designs seems like a huge mess to me. Aesthetically and thermally.

    131. svenmullet
      05-21-2013
      11:00 PM
      131

      http://www.theonion.com/articles/fat...:other:default

    132. $n!pR
      05-21-2013
      11:09 PM
      132

      Ahaha
      Xbox One Reveal 2013 Highlights - YouTube

    133. sandungas
      05-21-2013
      11:14 PM
      133

      Last btw... the photos of the opened xbox3 doesnt seems to be a retail motherboard (and the case is white)

      I doubt they will spent money in installing this "7-segment" leds for retail models where user is not supposed to open the case

      For me the bigger disaster has been the conference itself, the hardware is not impressive at all, but this time they are trying to anticipate to any overheat problem with a big case, and a good heatsink (but dissapointed desing internally for the airflow)
      The copper pipes in the heatsink contains a gas that needs to pay extra taxes when exporting to other countries, so is something they will "want" to remove in newer revisions if they can, but by now they are trying to not take risks

      With all this im not saying that it will have a heat problem, the APU is supposed to be efficient and all this story... but im pointing to the potential problems of the design in the airflow
      At this point i think nobody can say if it will have some problems, we will see

    134. wolfpacleader1986
      05-21-2013
      11:23 PM
      134

      Originally Posted by Jay2biggy
      saw it a dashhacks.com that Nintendo cuz of low sales are bringing that feature in to boost sales but they said most likely u cant go online with it cuz of the chip it has but u can download your games from the wii u and then take the gamepad whereever u want
      How's that possible? The Wii U gamepad doesn't have any amount of memory that I can think of.

    135. zebular
      05-21-2013
      11:31 PM
      135

      Ok so **** the new xbox! Why don't they just advertise it as "buy your game day one so you can enjoy it for the next 3 years!" seriously, if they are pushing games to use the online aspect for cloud computing once said particular game is no longer popular they will shut down the server for it and then you can't go back and play it. Throw in a copy of Battlefield 2 into your 360 and see how much fun it is right now... I think you can do a training mission.

    136. finalman
      05-21-2013
      11:33 PM
      136

      As for the air direction look at the fan blades shape and you will see that the air is clearly pulled up from the below the heat sink then through the heat sink then out the vent above the fan.

    137. BobbyBangin
      05-21-2013
      11:37 PM
      137

      Originally Posted by kristijan1001
      Update Topic:
      Sony Stock Up Nine Percent After Xbox One Reveal
      Sony’s stock closed today at 22.91 points, nearly two points higher than it was eight hours before. That’s good for a 9.25 percent jump in Sony’s market price, an outrageous jump that many companies would kill for. Then again, with such a low market valuation, such jumps aren’t unheard of for companies in Sony’s position.

      Microsoft's stock closed down 0.66 percent, seemingly unaffected one way or another by Xbox One.



      Your first instinct might be that this has to do with Xbox One’s reveal, which was light on games and heavy on entertainment. That might be part of it, but as Bloomberg reports, the stock jump seems to have been driven primarily by a rumor we first reported on last week: Sony may be spinning off its entertainment division.

      Bloomberg notes that the jump correlated directly with a report from massive Japanese newspaper Nikkei that the company is indeed “leaning toward spinning off its entertainment division,” which is primarily comprised of Sony Pictures Entertainment and Sony Music Entertainment. Such a move was first publically suggested by Daniel S. Loeb, a hedge fund manager who happens to own 6.5 percent of Sony.

      The article also notes that “Sony executives are holding their regular corporate strategy meeting in Tokyo tomorrow. The company has relied on profit from its entertainment division to offset losses from its flagship consumer electronics business.”

      What Sony’s actual strategy is remains to be seen, but between this fresh Nikkei rumor and, presumably, Xbox One’s reveal, Sony’s stock is surging.

      Source: IGN
      Not to mention Gamestop and Mi�rosoft stocks are down as a result as well. Looks like all the fanboy's dreams are coming to fruition. The always-online, drm riddled, and no used games as well as the lack of innovation does indeed seem to be the bleak future of console gaming. Ignorance is bliss after all. Congrats.

      Gamestop stocks down...
      http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/21/ga...ed-game-story/

      Microsoft stocks down...
      http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=M...rce=undefined;

    138. zebular
      05-21-2013
      11:49 PM
      138

      Originally Posted by BobbyBangin
      Not to mention Gamestop and Mi�rosoft stocks are down as a result as well. Looks like all the fanboy's dreams are coming to fruition. The always-online, drm riddled, and no used games as well as the lack of innovation does indeed seem to be the bleak future of console gaming. Ignorance is bliss after all. Congrats.

      Gamestop stocks down...
      http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/21/ga...ed-game-story/

      Microsoft stocks down...
      http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=M...rce=undefined;
      My god... I dream of the day my games come on a cartridge again and I can have a friend in the same room play too.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      In other news... retro game prices are soaring! No... seriously!

    139. marty370
      05-22-2013
      02:00 AM
      139

      Sony must be breaking the Champagne out and partying.



      4 > 1 should be Sonys PS4 slogan

    140. DOMICH
      05-22-2013
      03:59 AM
      140

      Originally Posted by $n!pR
      Ahaha
      Xbox One Reveal 2013 Highlights - YouTube
      @0:33 , "XBOX, go home" ahhaah "You're drunk", i might add. XD

    141. Rautz
      05-22-2013
      04:06 AM
      141

      Imagine all the sad faces of the kids on Xmas Day with no internet connection when they fire up that new COD Ghosts on their brand new Xbox One.

    142. Reikis
      05-22-2013
      05:46 AM
      142

      I'm gonna get out my old VCR and put Xbox one sticker on it. :P

    143. LoverboySimer
      05-22-2013
      06:50 AM
      143

      xbox one is huge
      first xbox



      n this is Xbox One


      Xbox size graph"

    144. linard
      05-22-2013
      06:52 AM
      144

      Me myself I'm still getting a xbox one at launch. I have enough sense to understand that the reveal was about the hardware and E3 will feature the games, Tha's what was said by microsoft if anyone was listening who wasn't already bias. As far the used game thing It has been stated in many articals that microsoft has said you will still be able to play used game but they havent stated how they plan to do that yet. What i see from a lot of people is a lot of assuming. A lot a stuff that people have stated on here as gospel was not directly quoted by microsoft themself. Some of it has been. I plan on owning both machies because I feel like if i favor one or the other ill miss out on some top notch exclusives. If you let bias and some outright lies stop you from buying one or the other system then you werent planning on buying that system anyway. Fanboys need not reply.

    145. Jay2biggy
      05-22-2013
      06:59 AM
      145

      Originally Posted by wolfpacleader1986
      How's that possible? The Wii U gamepad doesn't have any amount of memory that I can think of.
      Here you go

      http://www.dashhacks.com/wii-u/wii-u...reen-kind.html

    146. LoverboySimer
      05-22-2013
      07:03 AM
      146

      sony trolls microsoft

    147. andouk
      05-22-2013
      07:21 AM
      147

      am I hearing and reading right, that apparently the xbox one can't function without kinect and needs a internet connection every 24 hours, along with no more sharing/used games

      if thats all true i can't see it doing terribly well, everyone hates DRM especially this type

    148. Djoker35007
      05-22-2013
      07:51 AM
      148

      Xbox = Big Brother?

    149. perfect genius
      05-22-2013
      08:31 AM
      149

      Tip.....

      1. Dont buy an Xbox one at launch..........

      2. Wait until just after xmas.

      3. go to toys r us or any other toy store that sells consoles.

      4. Find massive queue of angry parents.

      5. Wait until the store manager tells them, NO REFUNDS on games consoles.

      6. Buy cheap as the bricks are useless to kids with no internet connection lol!

      might just work? but I can't see me even getting one cheap now.

      I am well pissed off at this, I was 100% going Xbox next gen until yesterday, now PS4 looks soooo much better? even though I don't trust sony.

      Oh nearly forgot.....well done M$ thats a fail on EPIC proportions!

    150. BwE
      05-22-2013
      08:42 AM
      150

      Never used an Xbox, never will.

    151. ocam
      05-22-2013
      09:16 AM
      151

      I'm waiting for a google console with android 6.0 - console cream sandwich

    152. tjhooker73
      05-22-2013
      09:18 AM
      152

      Originally Posted by ocam
      I'm waiting for a google console with android 6.0 - console cream sandwich
      That sounds... Gross.. to say the least

      Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

    153. DEFAULTDNB
      05-22-2013
      09:18 AM
      153

      Originally Posted by ocam
      I'm waiting for a google console with android 6.0 - console cream pie
      fixed

    154. jivex5k
      05-22-2013
      09:26 AM
      154

      More information regarding used games: http://kotaku.com/you-will-be-able-t...cros-509140825
      Here's the new info:

      Xbox One games will require a one-time activation code to use, but you'll still be able to trade and sell them online, Microsoft tells Kotaku—although we're not 100% clear on the details.

      Speaking to us at the big event in Redmond today, Microsoft corporate vice president Phil Harrison clarified a couple of details about the system's used game policy and explained that there will be a solution for people who want to trade games with their friends.

      Here's how the system works: when you buy an Xbox One game, you'll get a unique code that you enter when you install that game. You'll have to connect to the Internet in order to authorize that code, and the code can only be used once. Once you use it, that game will then be linked to your Xbox Live account. "It sits on your harddrive and you have permission to play that game as long as you’d like," Harrison said.

      Other users on the console will be able to play that game as well, Harrison said. So you don't need to buy multiple games per family. "With the built-in parental controls of the system it is shared amog the users of the device," he said.

      But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison said.

    155. FreakAlchemist
      05-22-2013
      09:55 AM
      155

      Now that is scary.Guess i'll be sticking with ps4/wiiu.

    156. GregoryRasputin
      05-22-2013
      10:48 AM
      156

      Hitler Reacts to Xbox One reveal - YouTube

    157. DEFAULTDNB
      05-22-2013
      11:03 AM
      157

      [MENTION=179518]jivex5k[/MENTION] so the console has to be "always-on" (online) to activate the game to your console? how do people with no internet play games?

      I dont get this does it donesn't it "always on" sh!t:

      No, a constant, persistent internet connection is not required to play games. But yes, the Xbox One needs to check in with the internet at least once a day. So yes, it has to be connected to the internet, but no, not all the time.
      Also:

      Update: There seems to be some indication that this unlock fee might actually be the full retail price of the game. That’s certainly what it sounds like from what Phil Harrison is saying here. If that’s the case, then how exactly do “used games” even exist at that point? This is only making things more opaque.

    158. perfect genius
      05-22-2013
      11:13 AM
      158

      Originally Posted by DEFAULTDNB
      [MENTION=179518]jivex5k[/MENTION] so the console has to be "always-on" (online) to activate the game to your console? how do people with no internet play games?

      I dont get this does it donesn't it "always on" sh!t:



      Also:
      Its not "always on" as such, it has to connect to the internet every 24 hours of you WILL BE LOCKED OUT OF THE GAMES YOU PAID FOR AND OWN!

      Clear as mud eh! M$ = FAIL!

    159. DEFAULTDNB
      05-22-2013
      11:26 AM
      159

      Originally Posted by perfect genius
      Its not "always on" as such, it has to connect to the internet every 24 hours of you WILL BE LOCKED OUT OF THE GAMES YOU PAID FOR AND OWN!

      Clear as mud eh! M$ = FAIL!
      I know right?!

      I just dont get it, you either need internet to validate your purchases, or you dont.

      If you dont have the internet in your house, you therefore cannot buy games for your console, and if you did validate them by moving your console to a place to get internet, to validate them, then move it back to your house, you then get locked out if you dont check in every 24 hrs?....

      Personally it's not a problem I have internet, but I am thinking of those who dont.

    160. perfect genius
      05-22-2013
      11:42 AM
      160

      Originally Posted by DEFAULTDNB
      I know right?!

      I just dont get it, you either need internet to validate your purchases, or you dont.

      If you dont have the internet in your house, you therefore cannot buy games for your console, and if you did validate them by moving your console to a place to get internet, to validate them, then move it back to your house, you then get locked out if you dont check in every 24 hrs?....

      Personally it's not a problem I have internet, but I am thinking of those who dont.
      Yep, its crazy if you ask me, M$ are trying to combat piracy through DRM but will infact LOSE way more income by doing this.

      ie est 77.2 Million 360's worldwide, 75% are permanantly OFFLINE thats 57.9 million 360's That would be as useful as bricks with this DRM in them.

      Absolute madness!

    161. afashionman
      05-22-2013
      11:45 AM
      161

      I do not like

    162. wolfpacleader1986
      05-22-2013
      03:39 PM
      162

      http://kotaku.com/xbox-exec-if-you-r...real-509340172

      MY GOD! Are they TRYING to have the system fail? I don't think even a dream PR team can save it at this point. If I were Microsoft, I'd tape their fu*king mouths shut. Every time they speak, the system dies more and more.

      Also, now it's out that the system doesn't do all of the computing and rendering, that in fact some of the visuals are streamed to the system via the Xbox servers.. So, if you're offline, you might suffer from missing visuals and backgrounds. Imagine a PERMANENT debug mode if you play offline!

    163. FreePlay
      05-22-2013
      08:07 PM
      163

      Holy crap, that article is terrifying. They're designing the system so that you'll WANT to be always-on, and it'll be a hassle if you're not.

    164. sandungas
      05-22-2013
      09:11 PM
      164

      They can use this feature to display "dynamic" content from his servers while you are playing

      The problem of being offline is obvious, but appart from this, the point is they can change the "game experience" dinamically as they want, e.g:

      They can keep a graphic engine in the servers that generates the landscape, or a climate engine that renders the sky
      But at the same time they can add an area in the map that appears "locked" because you need to buy X content, or replace the sky by an advertisement of the last EA game

    165. ocam
      05-23-2013
      02:33 AM
      165

      Originally Posted by tjhooker73
      That sounds... Gross.. to say the least
      Originally Posted by DEFAULTDNB
      fixed

    166. LoverboySimer
      05-23-2013
      07:24 AM
      166

      xbox One in 1 min.. its funny n must watch
      Xbox One Reveal 2013 Highlights - YouTube

    167. DEFAULTDNB
      05-23-2013
      09:52 AM
      167





    168. chr15m
      05-23-2013
      10:25 AM
      168

      once the young sheeple accept this intrusion, then there children will accept it as the norm
      orwells 1984 never looked so close

    169. sandungas
      05-23-2013
      01:32 PM
      169

      Lol, a patent related with kinect to count the "number of viewers" in the room
      http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/13...u-for-the-mpaa

      Edit:
      It seems the article/patent is from November 6, 2012
      Is old, and i have no idea is this has been used yet

    170. havok7
      05-23-2013
      01:37 PM
      170

    171. Thelostdeathknight
      05-23-2013
      05:39 PM
      171

      Originally Posted by sandungas
      Lol, a patent related with kinect to count the "number of viewers" in the room
      http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/13...u-for-the-mpaa

      Edit:
      It seems the article/patent is from November 6, 2012
      Is old, and i have no idea is this has been used yet
      That article is scary to say the least

    172. Sublyminal
      05-23-2013
      06:37 PM
      172

      Can't say that I'm impressed with the Xone...

    173. <GEEK>
      05-23-2013
      08:40 PM
      173

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      Four years and the only name they could come up with was Xbox One >.<
      The name represents the number of units they are expecting to sell after announcing it's always online functionality, and the fact that it is a glorified set top box for television service. Fan boys will still eat it up though.
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Originally Posted by Thelostdeathknight
      That article is scary to say the least
      Microsoft can't be that stupid, can they? Possible license fees to play a used game. Ability to count the number of "warm" bodies in the room to limit content from being played without purchasing yet more licenses? That's what it sounds like to me anyways.

      It already comes across as being a glorified set top box, bundle that with the article and you may find yourself paying "per viewer" to watch video services offered on the console. Sounds like a cash grab attempt to me. Looks like friends/family will need to peek around the corner undetected by the big bother camera in order to watch tv, lol.

    174. ploggy
      05-23-2013
      08:51 PM
      174

      I think it's almost certain the PS4 will have a similar strategy as the Xbox One when it comes to used games, why else would EA scrap their Online Pass crap. I doubt EA would have scrapped it for M$ alone, I think M$ and $ony got together with the big game dev companies and came to a decision together.... F*****S.

    175. Cheesethief
      05-23-2013
      09:27 PM
      175

      Originally Posted by ploggy
      I think it's almost certain the PS4 will have a similar strategy as the Xbox One when it comes to used games, why else would EA scrap their Online Pass crap. I doubt EA would have scrapped it for M$ alone, I think M$ and $ony got together with the big game dev companies and came to a decision together.... F*****S.
      That's true, but Sony can regain a huge portion of gamers if they don't follow along with MS' used game scamming. They could end up king of the hill in the console war. They have everything to gain if they don't charge for used games.

      Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

    176. ploggy
      05-23-2013
      09:36 PM
      176

      That's true, they would be heroes if they do decide to FULLY allow used games to be played but I have a funny feeling the ground work has already been laid down behind closed doors between the two.

    177. FreePlay
      05-23-2013
      10:06 PM
      177

      Originally Posted by chr15m
      once the young sheeple accept this intrusion, then there children will accept it as the norm
      orwells 1984 never looked so close
      I think you need to re-read that book. It was not a cautionary tale about technology that you voluntarily purchase.

    178. chr15m
      05-24-2013
      04:32 AM
      178

      Originally Posted by FreePlay
      I think you need to re-read that book. It was not a cautionary tale about technology that you voluntarily purchase.
      I was referring to the next gen camera intrusion and the always online.
      hence big brother is watching you.

    179. svenmullet
      05-26-2013
      11:02 PM
      179

      But seriously, WTF?! It has all the graceful appeal of an Intellivision. There are sleeker, sexier HTPC cases out there FFS. Microsoft FAILS.

    180. delta12
      05-28-2013
      10:53 AM
      180

      After read the interview with MS executive,
      I Can't help to add my comment here

      well we can watch tv with this console guys, huraah


      credit to this pic editor, whoever you are

    181. FreePlay
      06-06-2013
      08:55 PM
      181

      Originally Posted by chr15m
      I was referring to the next gen camera intrusion and the always online.
      hence big brother is watching you.
      Again, you're buying it voluntarily. Big Brother was in everyone's homes whether they wanted him or not.

    182. marty370
      06-10-2013
      06:49 AM
      182

      Originally Posted by FreePlay
      Again, you're buying it voluntarily. Big Brother was in everyone's homes whether they wanted him or not.
      The Xbox One Is A Surveillance Device According To Aussie Privacy Paranoids

      http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/05/th...acy-paranoids/

    183. FreePlay
      06-10-2013
      07:59 PM
      183

      Originally Posted by marty370
      The Xbox One Is A Surveillance Device According To Aussie Privacy Paranoids

      http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/05/th...acy-paranoids/
      Which you buy voluntarily.