• PS3 Hacks, Rumour , 25.06.2013

    According to modrobert from EurAsia, Team 3k3y has managed to extract the drive key from all PS3 models.

    modrobert writes: “I just got info from a trusted source close to Team 3k3y that drive key extraction is now supported on all PS3 models, including Super Slim (CECH-40xx).”

    Source: http://www.eurasia.nu/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3185

    Thanks Simonbuck for the member news!

    Update:

    Confirmned on x360key facebook page and on the 3k3y site:

    2013-06-25: 3k3y working with ALL MODELS, INCLUDING SUPERSLIM!

    The long wait is over - there is now no need for CFW for key extraction. We will release firmwae updates for both PATA and SATA versions in the coming week.

    http://www.3k3y.com/news/

    https://www.facebook.com/x360key

    Thanks again @Simonbuck

    Discuss in Forums (136)


  • 136 Comments

    1. ocam
      06-25-2013
      06:35 AM
      1

      Originally Posted by Simonbuck
      http://www.eurasia.nu/modules.php?na...ticle&sid=3185
      [MENTION=70636]bubba[/MENTION] will be very happy

    2. w0313
      06-25-2013
      06:39 AM
      2

      Originally Posted by ocam
      [MENTION=70636]bubba[/MENTION] will be very happy
      indeed, he is happy.

    3. ocam
      06-25-2013
      06:41 AM
      3

      Originally Posted by w0313
      indeed, he is happy.
      maybe he can confirm it?
      [MENTION=70636]bubba[/MENTION]?

    4. ocam
      06-25-2013
      07:59 AM
      4

      Originally Posted by bubba
      Its Not A Rumor Suck that Cobra
      now tell us how they did it

    5. DEFAULTDNB
      06-25-2013
      08:18 AM
      5

      Originally Posted by ocam
      now tell us how they did it
      I wonder if this is relevant to "glitching" or some other way of dumping eEID keys:

      A - 4K consoles require desoldering 4 resistors and soldering of a Quick Solder Board. It would be possible to remove the QSB and resolder the resistors, but would require some care.
      Perhaps cobra revealed that, and 3K3Y jumped right in

    6. musashiro
      06-25-2013
      08:19 AM
      6

      i wanna know more info about this...

      im fairly new to the scene and still grasping things... :D

    7. ocam
      06-25-2013
      08:30 AM
      7

      Originally Posted by DEFAULTDNB
      I wonder if this is relevant to "glitching" or some other way of dumping eEID keys:



      Perhaps cobra revealed that, and 3K3Y jumped right in
      thanks [MENTION=224021]DEFAULTDNB[/MENTION]
      would the dumped eEID keys help the scene in any way?

    8. bammo
      06-25-2013
      08:46 AM
      8

      Whose in charge of 3key? Is it the same team of the 360?
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      At least its cheaper than 3key I'll wait and see what happens
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Corbra************

    9. Perez1986
      06-25-2013
      09:02 AM
      9

      I prefer 3K3Y over Cobra any day. All Cobra does is rip people off by creating devices that do things that people with CFW can do for free without having to leave a hole in their wallet.

    10. DEFAULTDNB
      06-25-2013
      09:14 AM
      10

      Originally Posted by ocam
      thanks [MENTION=224021]DEFAULTDNB[/MENTION]
      would the dumped eEID keys help the scene in any way?
      AFAIK grabbing eEID store keys is only potentially useful for emulating devices (for example a USB HDD being spoofed as the BD drive behind a piece of hardware returning the correct challenge/response (EID key) so that the PS3 believes is the BD drive and not a USB HDD)

      The ability to use hardware to grab keys for hardware = nothing really useful for software, however the DISCBIND flag combos thing is VERY interesting, for running homebrew on 3k/4k + OFW.

    11. bammo
      06-25-2013
      10:37 AM
      11

      Originally Posted by DEFAULTDNB
      AFAIK grabbing eEID store keys is only potentially useful for emulating devices (for example a USB HDD being spoofed as the BD drive behind a piece of hardware returning the correct challenge/response (EID key) so that the PS3 believes is the BD drive and not a USB HDD)

      The ability to use hardware to grab keys for hardware = nothing really useful for software, however the DISCBIND flag combos thing is VERY interesting, for running homebrew on 3k/4k + OFW.
      Source for the discbind flag? Must have missed this

    12. DEFAULTDNB
      06-25-2013
      10:50 AM
      12

      Originally Posted by bammo
      Source for the discbind flag? Must have missed this
      Q - [BobbyBlunt] How did you manage to get a homebrew app to launch on PS3 OFW 4.41 ?

      A - The only method currently known of getting homebrew running on those firmwares is if they have the 'discbind' flag. Detailed instructions on how to compile your applications or port existing binary .pkg into a valid homebrew .iso will be released with the user manual.
      http://www.cobra-ode.com/cobraODEfaq.html

      http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=58190

    13. bammo
      06-25-2013
      10:52 AM
      13

      Wasnt this what condorstrike was talking about?

    14. w0313
      06-25-2013
      11:04 AM
      14

      Originally Posted by bammo
      Wasnt this what condorstrike was talking about?
      yes, I remember that if I'm not mistaken ...

    15. AlexBaka
      06-25-2013
      11:18 AM
      15

      Everything is a lie till proved otherwise.

      Non of these ppl deserve any trust. i'm sure ps4 will be released long before they start delivering any REAL product.

    16. zecoxao
      06-25-2013
      11:19 AM
      16

      if they will also allow homebrew, then i'm happy

    17. DEFAULTDNB
      06-25-2013
      11:28 AM
      17

      Originally Posted by bammo
      Wasnt this what condorstrike was talking about?
      Originally Posted by w0313
      yes, I remember that if I'm not mistaken ...
      http://www.ps3hax.net/showpost.php?p...&postcount=252

      I thought [MENTION=99583]condorstrike[/MENTION] was attempting to sign homebrew another way, not through DISCBIND flags.

      Can you elabourate [MENTION=99583]condorstrike[/MENTION]?

    18. bammo
      06-25-2013
      12:21 PM
      18

      But if you make it into an iso you will still need cobras ode to launch the hombrew I think 3key would be a better route to go and I'd bet you could launch your homebrew off the 3key using cobras technique

    19. Xehanort
      06-25-2013
      12:42 PM
      19

      3k3y allows ps1/ps2 on all models I believe. That is what I more support above Cobra.

    20. haz367
      06-25-2013
      12:47 PM
      20

      oh the cliffhanger....we like..keep us posted

    21. tsukuyomi101
      06-25-2013
      12:58 PM
      21

      [MENTION=70636]bubba[/MENTION]

      is it a solderless solution?

    22. felino_31
      06-25-2013
      01:01 PM
      22

      it's time to leak the keys

      I'm kidding

    23. Fnon
      06-25-2013
      01:08 PM
      23



      Post In facebook

    24. Animals
      06-25-2013
      01:35 PM
      24

      I'm new in ps3 jailbreak so can somebody explain me what this drive key extraction means?

    25. saxile
      06-25-2013
      01:43 PM
      25

      Originally Posted by Animals
      I'm new in ps3 jailbreak so can somebody explain me what this drive key extraction means?
      It gets the bd rom key so you can emulate it with an ODE and run backups via a hdd on ofw

    26. DEFAULTDNB
      06-25-2013
      01:44 PM
      26

      Originally Posted by Animals
      I'm new in ps3 jailbreak so can somebody explain me what this drive key extraction means?
      Extraction of the BD (bluray drive) drive key.

      The ODE then pretends to be the drive, and feeds the PS3 the games through USB on OFW.

      F*ck DRM.

    27. hellsing9
      06-25-2013
      02:04 PM
      27

      I don't know what to think but im starting to like 3K3Y.

    28. JonahUK
      06-25-2013
      02:07 PM
      28

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      but im starting to like 3K3Y.
      Gonna slap you with a trout if you carry on!!!!!

      Seriously though, this is the better option if you have need of it.

    29. kayy
      06-25-2013
      02:11 PM
      29

      all this news flowing in. first cobra m now this 3k3y.
      is it related to sonys 4.45 firmware in any way.

    30. hellsing9
      06-25-2013
      02:19 PM
      30

      Originally Posted by JonahUK
      Gonna slap you with a trout if you carry on!!!!!

      Seriously though, this is the better option if you have need of it.
      I meant if i have to choose between which "poison" is less lethal. I will go for 3K3Y.
      Remember what i said about the leak?....

    31. muratce
      06-25-2013
      02:29 PM
      31

      nice my ps3 3004b (3k) is ready...

    32. The Dutch Gamer
      06-25-2013
      02:50 PM
      32

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      I meant if i have to choose between which "poison" is less lethal. I will go for 3K3Y.
      For later 2k and 3k & 4k machines it's more like a "cure" because tbh there is no (homebrew-)scene for them, at least they have something now (if everything turns out to be legit and working like they promised)

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      Remember what i said about the leak?....
      Is it that time of the month again ? I will note the Tampax down on the grocery-list
      OT: I've seen you mentioning earlier about a progress on some foreign forum, it's the same dude who posted here about HaxckODE ? Or did I misread somewhere....

    33. hellsing9
      06-25-2013
      02:54 PM
      33

      Originally Posted by The Dutch Gamer
      For later 2k and 3k & 4k machines it's more like a "cure" because tbh there is no (homebrew-)scene for them, at least they have something now (if everything turns out to be legit and working like they promised)



      Is it that time of the month again ? I will note the Tampax down on the grocery-list
      OT: I've seen you mentioning earlier about a progress on some foreign forum, it's the same dude who posted here about HaxckODE ? Or did I misread somewhere....
      So a device 90% piracy friendly for you is a "cure" for 2k/3k/4k? Since when?.
      "Promises" who many times you, me and everybody on this board already read that....

      I will ignore the off
      Nope it's not that source (i thought that when i started talking but him but after some conversations i understood that he knows what he is talking about), that's the main reason im not posting anything related until i got that situation sorted out.
      I don't want 3K3Y nor Cobra to get their hands on this "possible" fix only to end "encapsulated" like what happened with DRM dongles.

      Even if the fix don't work or gets patched. I'm not here to make business or just to handle directly or indirectly info that they could use just make their business bigger.

    34. The Dutch Gamer
      06-25-2013
      03:11 PM
      34

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      So a device 90% piracy friendly for you is a "cure" for 2k/3k/4k? Since when?.
      Well, at least it's a start... who knows if this gives us the ability to use homebrew that doesn't use certain Syscalls.

      Great, I was afraid it was the same dude I totally understand about not giving away the source, better to play the wait and see game first, if it turns out to be true it's a short life for ODE's (like what happened to Red / Blue / Green with Orange dots -disc RIP )

    35. hellsing9
      06-25-2013
      03:19 PM
      35

      Originally Posted by The Dutch Gamer
      Well, at least it's a start... who knows if this gives us the ability to use homebrew that doesn't use certain Syscalls.

      Great, I was afraid it was the same dude I totally understand about not giving away the source, better to play the wait and see game first, if it turns out to be true it's a short life for ODE's (like what happened to Red / Blue / Green with Orange dots -disc RIP )
      It's always the same. The only main diffence with those ODE that they added homebrew to the equation which lured enough attention from users who like/love brew's.

      But coming from a device that like i said is 90% piracy friendly and tbh i doubt that this being created they remotely thought about brew's first and running backups later.

      They need money and you don't get money with homebrews hence is contribution/sharing among users and devs.

      Indeed it's a step to knowing who the hell a non-existant product (that what i call Cobra ODE) can generate such Hype when only that ugly board and specs got posted on their site.

      If 3K3Y who promised on release (and later removed that feature) chance to downgrade, etc on 3K/4K. Now have something on their hands is because that "leak" end on their hands.
      On Cobra ODE side they still "play" with speculation hence there not an official board nor support of that device to know a little more about them.

    36. Isleofdoom
      06-25-2013
      04:54 PM
      36

      makes me wounder if these guys work with cobra becuz all of there stuff is so close together except the release dates. i still think its a waste of money realy i wod rather play with ofw than own one of these things. but each to there own..

    37. hellsing9
      06-25-2013
      05:04 PM
      37

      Originally Posted by Isleofdoom
      makes me wounder if these guys work with cobra becuz all of there stuff is so close together except the release dates. i still think its a waste of money realy i wod rather play with ofw than own one of these things. but each to there own..
      I don't see any connection between them.
      Meanwhile Cobra is still teasing since january. 3k3y released their product.

      It's plain stupid from Cobra to wait for 3K3Y to find some workaround with key extraction on all PS3 models.
      They will lose potential future costumers. (Cobra)

      Also 4 months only to secure their device?....

    38. Cheesethief
      06-25-2013
      05:26 PM
      38

      Now, depending on the price of this, I may get it eventually for my 3k. This seems more interesting than Cobra....

      If this costs the same as Cobra or there about, I will say it again:

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      When this thing costs more than a used jailbroken console, the manufacturers are both retarded and greedy.
      Edit:
      It costs a good bit less than cobra. $99 is not too bad.

    39. bammo
      06-25-2013
      05:29 PM
      39

      Well its simple cobra will wait and see what 3key does and copy their work like usual

    40. BobbyBangin
      06-25-2013
      05:31 PM
      40

      Club Nouveau - Rumors - YouTube

    41. Simonbuck
      06-25-2013
      05:33 PM
      41

      Confirmned on x360key facebook page and on the 3k3y site:

      2013-06-25: 3k3y working with ALL MODELS, INCLUDING SUPERSLIM!

      The long wait is over - there is now no need for CFW for key extraction. We will release firmwae updates for both PATA and SATA versions in the coming week.
      http://www.3k3y.com/news/

      https://www.facebook.com/x360key



      ( [MENTION=141843]manster[/MENTION] pls add to front page and get rid of the [Rumor] bit )

    42. AmD92
      06-25-2013
      05:46 PM
      42

      So is it only an update to be able to extract the key? Or does it require soldering?

      I was checking on 3k3y's site between now ans then, I clearly remember them saying they were working on a HARDWARE method to extract the key on 4.xx

    43. saxile
      06-25-2013
      05:48 PM
      43

      Anyone else having problems opening their webpage? Every time I go there I'm greeted with "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.3k3y.com"

    44. hellsing9
      06-25-2013
      05:50 PM
      44

      Updated [MENTION=208137]Simonbuck[/MENTION] thanks.

    45. WalangAlam
      06-25-2013
      05:54 PM
      45

      my soldering iron is ready...do they have uk resellers?

    46. dablakmark8
      06-25-2013
      05:57 PM
      46

      Originally Posted by AlexBaka
      Everything is a lie till proved otherwise.

      Non of these ppl deserve any trust. i'm sure ps4 will be released long before they start delivering any REAL product.
      same applies to a software hen or downgrader

    47. Simonbuck
      06-25-2013
      05:57 PM
      47

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      Updated [MENTION=208137]Simonbuck[/MENTION] thanks.
      NP m8, u didnt get rid of the [Rumor] bit though

    48. hellsing9
      06-25-2013
      06:00 PM
      48

      Originally Posted by Simonbuck
      NP m8, u didnt get rid of the [Rumor] bit though
      Fixed.

    49. felino_31
      06-25-2013
      06:02 PM
      49

      Originally Posted by saxile
      Anyone else having problems opening their webpage? Every time I go there I'm greeted with "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at..."
      here it�s normal

    50. saxile
      06-25-2013
      06:17 PM
      50

      [MENTION=275706]felino_31[/MENTION] odd, I'll try tomorrow after I dump comcast and get verizon fios

    51. Simonbuck
      06-25-2013
      07:48 PM
      51

      Originally Posted by bubba
      CFW & 3K3y app are no longer required
      3k and 4k consoles rule out cfw anyway so ... no sh1t sherlock

      Please elaborate I do hate these half winded hints

    52. Simonbuck
      06-25-2013
      08:01 PM
      52

      [MENTION=70636]bubba[/MENTION] ,that says you know more already, u just aint tellin

    53. imarster
      06-25-2013
      08:05 PM
      53

      so will 3k3y allow the install of dlc from hdd like a cfw does ?

    54. Cheesethief
      06-25-2013
      08:07 PM
      54

      Originally Posted by bubba
      that is all i got right now Buddy..when i know more I will tell you ..
      Is soldering of any sort required for 3k and 4k? That is the big important question.

    55. cloudx
      06-25-2013
      08:45 PM
      55

      i realy hope someone give out the free solution lol.

    56. noonzascript
      06-25-2013
      08:54 PM
      56

      The only thing stopping me from buying this product is that not every game has a valid IRD in their database which is needed to convert ripped jb/multiman games to an ISO format suitable for the 3k3y. (correct me if I'm wrong though)

    57. playerkp420
      06-25-2013
      09:11 PM
      57

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      Is soldering of any sort required for 3k and 4k? That is the big important question.
      Originally Posted by cloudx
      i realy hope someone give out the free solution lol.
      Any model with the blu ray logic board, built into the mobo, will require soldering.
      These ODEs go between the mobo and the daughter board. If you want to get between them on a 25xx, 3k, or 4k, you need to solder.

    58. jarmster
      06-25-2013
      09:26 PM
      58

      Originally Posted by noonzascript
      The only thing stopping me from buying this product is that not every game has a valid IRD in their database which is needed to convert ripped jb/multiman games to an ISO format suitable for the 3k3y. (correct me if I'm wrong though)
      You are correct...

    59. techpro
      06-25-2013
      09:36 PM
      59

      Does this mean that soon the 3k and 4k models will be able to run CFWs such as Rogero 4.xx etc? If you decide not to go with this hardware?

    60. tjhooker73
      06-25-2013
      10:12 PM
      60

      Originally Posted by techpro
      Does this mean that soon the 3k and 4k models will be able to run CFWs such as Rogero 4.xx etc? If you decide not to go with this hardware?
      Why would you think that.

      Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

    61. noonzascript
      06-25-2013
      10:19 PM
      61

      Originally Posted by jarmster
      You are correct...
      Thought so.

      Still a shame there aren't many IRD files. Is there a way to convert a jb rip to an ISO without any metadata/IRD involved that will still work on the 3k3y?

    62. techpro
      06-25-2013
      10:27 PM
      62

      Originally Posted by tjhooker73
      Why would you think that.

      Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
      It seems like a break through, so I thought maybe it means that devs can develop CFW for the 3k and 4k models.

    63. w0313
      06-26-2013
      12:04 AM
      63

      Originally Posted by bubba
      You Wont Need to solder anything TO get the Drive Key
      that means, 3KEY has fvcked up Cobra right?

    64. Sonics99
      06-26-2013
      12:14 AM
      64

      Any chance the drive key can be grabbed off of a bd drive with a broken blu ray laser so that this can be used as a fix?

    65. toolz
      06-26-2013
      01:45 AM
      65

      I'm curious to know how long the information has been readily available to create these devices? It seems strange now that ps4 is within our grasp that the ps3 is singing and dancing again. My theory is Sony is behind this to get more sales in there slims before ps4 launch??
      Is it just me that feels this way?

    66. Sidewinder_2011
      06-26-2013
      01:53 AM
      66

      Originally Posted by toolz
      My theory is Sony is behind this to get more sales in there slims before ps4 launch??
      Is it just me that feels this way?
      i doubt it it very much it is sony , eg lets say it got leaked that it is sony behind it, well good bye any sony console from then . no developer would want to build a game for then console ever again . they would loss more money than they would make by doing this

    67. toolz
      06-26-2013
      01:58 AM
      67

      I understand that. Might be a rogue agent lol.

    68. tjhooker73
      06-26-2013
      02:29 AM
      68

      It's actually Microsoft and the illuminati

      Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

    69. haz367
      06-26-2013
      02:32 AM
      69

      Originally Posted by w0313
      that means, 3KEY has fvcked Cobra right?
      care to share the video?
      that's one for the collection...no censoring ok..thx

      and the ps3 has indeed many levels of hacking? it's just not an easy task and i'm sure its the same group(s) of people making the elite hacks and not sharing...whoever they are think it's time for another anorelease? :bier:

    70. toolz
      06-26-2013
      02:34 AM
      70

      What's the expectancy life span of the ps3 when ps4 hits.
      Off topic sorry.

    71. w0313
      06-26-2013
      02:37 AM
      71

      Sony has two faces: Sony and Three Musketeer or whatever its next name to leak the keys from their office. imagine that, two faces support legit users (OFW) and CFW users. they rule the world of consoles. lol

    72. DEFAULTDNB
      06-26-2013
      02:57 AM
      72

      Ok, I'm bored and like the idea of a cryptic puzzle to solve at 9 am in the morning...

      Originally Posted by bubba
      CFW & 3K3y app are no longer required
      So its possible on ANY OFW 1.00 - 4.XX. My guess is with just the ODE hardware, you can clip to the BD nor chip (2MB)

      Originally Posted by bubba
      Here is another HINT
      Here's a cryptic clue: I solved the key extraction problem by not doing key extraction
      You clip dump BD nor chip, and an app extracts for you PC side? No hex editing, no decompiling, byte reversing-yada-yada-etc-etc, just an app to do it all for you?

      Originally Posted by bubba
      Homebrew from ISOs is possible with current 3Ks.
      But not 4K's? Master disc?
      http://www.ps3devwiki.com/wiki/Basic...Authentication

      Authentication

      The authentication procedure itself is done through the use of a per Bluray Drive key pair. One being located on the drive controller itself while the other is stored AES256CBC encrypted in the EID2 area located on Flash. This key is also used while updating the Bluray Drive, which firmware's will be physically re-encrypted using that very same key and stored that way. As such you cannot swap a Bluray Drive controller board from one ps3 to another - see Remarry Bluray Drive.

      This also means that physically dumping the drive's firmware would lead nowhere with it being stored in an encrypted form. The only way to get a plain version of it would be to dump the Bluray Drive controller's ram at runtime. Beside although I am not entirely sure about this, it is very unlikely that a command exists to read the firmware from the Bluray Drive, should it exist, the dumped binary would still be encrypted, thus connecting the Bluray Drive to a computer literally leads nowhere.
      Originally Posted by bubba
      It's going to be very interesting in the coming weeks.
      Remember the ISO
      So ISO format standards are important? Again : Master disc?

      Originally Posted by bubba
      You cant use a Multiman ISO.. built game..Cobra cant use it too ....
      Ironic considering COBRA manager aka mM-sellout-mode allowed for games to be dumped as ISO...
      http://www.ps3hax.net/2012/01/mmcm-4...-cobra-dongle/

      You Wont Need to solder anything TO get the Drive Key
      No need to solder anything on a 3k/4k? We know the drive keys are stored on the flash chip in the BD drive, and they use NOR, so it must be a similar clip method to E3?

      Or even more spaceage would be something you wave over/touch on the chip (RFID style) and it reads out the drive key (while the PS3 is on and running a disc)...I'm probably not awake yet, but for a 2MB NOR would that be possible to do that quickly?

      http://www.ps3devwiki.com/wiki/Blura...are_Components

    73. hellsing9
      06-26-2013
      03:15 AM
      73

      [MENTION=224021]DEFAULTDNB[/MENTION] Even easier.


      “You see, but you do not observe.”

      The distinction is clear. For example, you have frequently seen the steps which lead up from the hall to this room.

      “Frequently.”

      How often?

      Well, some hundreds of times.

      Then how many are there?

      How many? I don't know.

      Quite so! You have not observed. And yet you have seen. That is just my point. Now, I know that there are seventeen steps, because I have both seen and observed.”

    74. Cheesethief
      06-26-2013
      04:00 AM
      74

      This seems like an interesting device.

      If you can get the keys without soldering, then wouldn't that mean that the device itself is nothing more than a DRM? Could there be a scene alternative that would effectively kill 3k3y (and Cobra along with it)?

    75. DEFAULTDNB
      06-26-2013
      04:05 AM
      75

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      This seems like an interesting device.

      If you can get the keys without soldering, then wouldn't that mean that the device itself is nothing more than a DRM? Could there be a scene alternative that would effectively kill 3k3y (and Cobra along with it)?
      Unfortunately getting the keys without soldering doesn't mean it doesn't still require hardware.

      I would hazard a quick guess that you could mod the clip for E3 NOR flasher.

      Is there a clip alternative to E3, or a way to build one yourself? I have no idea.

      Power device, put on BD clip, extract key, remove BD clip, put on NOR clip extract EID from NOR... no flashing or soldering required. Just data capture at runtime.

    76. smf
      06-26-2013
      05:15 AM
      76

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      If you can get the keys without soldering, then wouldn't that mean that the device itself is nothing more than a DRM? Could there be a scene alternative that would effectively kill 3k3y (and Cobra along with it)?
      This can get the drive key so it can pretend to be a drive.

      The drive key is useless without the hardware.

      Originally Posted by DEFAULTDNB
      Or even more spaceage would be something you wave over/touch on the chip (RFID style) and it reads out the drive key (while the PS3 is on and running a disc)...I'm probably not awake yet, but for a 2MB NOR would that be possible to do that quickly?[/url]
      You can't guess. It might be able to get the key purely from the data stream between the console and the drive or it might need something else. Even if it takes a day to get the key is irrelevant, it won't change.

    77. ttz
      06-26-2013
      06:03 AM
      77

      Originally Posted by w0313
      Sony has two faces: Sony and Three Musketeer or whatever its next name to leak the keys from their office. imagine that, two faces support legit users (OFW) and CFW users. they rule the world of consoles. lol
      Chris Tarnovsky behind all of this?

    78. The Dutch Gamer
      06-26-2013
      07:15 AM
      78

      This sounds interesting!... so, no soldering needed to get the Key and the ISO hint, something tells me the Key is dumped through an program on an ISO.

      Can't wait to fire up some good ol' homebrew :D

    79. ocam
      06-26-2013
      07:42 AM
      79

      Originally Posted by carldenning
      i doubt it it very much it is sony , eg lets say it got leaked that it is sony behind it, well good bye any sony console from then . no developer would want to build a game for then console ever again . they would loss more money than they would make by doing this
      I'm suprized that they never sued Cobra and 3k3y. They never mentioned Cobra like they did with Graf and fail0verflow, that **** was all over the news.
      Well, you can't sue yourself, that's for sure (joke)

      An anonymus leak would push the sale, no doubt.

    80. noonzascript
      06-26-2013
      08:45 AM
      80

      The way I see the 3k3y now -

      PROS:
      - Play games from External HDD (NTFS, FAT32, etc)
      - Seems to be much safer connected on PSN than a CFW connected to PSN

      CONS:
      - Converting JB rips to 3k3y ISO requires a valid IRD file (security file/metadata file)
      - If you have a file missing, or a file that size doesn't match the database/IRD, you will not be able to convert your JB rip :@

    81. spyro2670
      06-26-2013
      08:52 AM
      81

      Connecting on psn with cfw is safe when using psn tool v1.0.

    82. mrc1978
      06-26-2013
      08:56 AM
      82

      Originally Posted by spyro2670
      Connecting on psn with cfw is safe when using psn tool v1.0.
      WTF has this got to do with this thread???

    83. DEFAULTDNB
      06-26-2013
      09:01 AM
      83

      Originally Posted by smf
      <snip> It might be able to get the key purely from the data stream between the console and the drive or it might need something else. Even if it takes a day to get the key is irrelevant, it won't change.
      Originally Posted by The Dutch Gamer
      This sounds interesting!... so, no soldering needed to get the Key and the ISO hint, something tells me the Key is dumped through an program on an ISO.

      Can't wait to fire up some good ol' homebrew :D
      It seems there is no need for anything other than connecting the device to your PS3.

      I got a tip off (and my understanding is) that the ODE's latest firmware update allows auto key discovery, and its pretty quick.

      [MENTION=95776]noonzascript[/MENTION] I heard from another source you can build custom/modded ISO's so I think the "missing/wrong file" thing is moot.... but I could be wrong.

    84. stuck?
      06-26-2013
      09:04 AM
      84

      Connecting on psn with cfw is safe when using psn tool v1.0.
      Originally Posted by mrc1978
      WTF has this got to do with this thread???
      Might be referring to this post:

      Originally Posted by noonzascript
      The way I see the 3k3y now -

      PROS:
      - Play games from External HDD (NTFS, FAT32, etc)
      - Seems to be much safer connected on PSN than a CFW connected to PSN

      CONS:
      - Converting JB rips to 3k3y ISO requires a valid IRD file (security file/metadata file)
      - If you have a file missing, or a file that size doesn't match the database/IRD, you will not be able to convert your JB rip :@

    85. noonzascript
      06-26-2013
      09:06 AM
      85

      Originally Posted by spyro2670
      Connecting on psn with cfw is safe when using psn tool v1.0.
      True or not, you still are required to do certain steps every time you connect.

      Originally Posted by DEFAULTDNB
      [MENTION=95776]noonzascript[/MENTION] I heard from another source you can build custom/modded ISO's so I think the "missing/wrong file" thing is moot.... but I could be wrong.
      Ooooo. Building a custom ISO would be nice!

    86. bammo
      06-26-2013
      09:10 AM
      86

      Originally Posted by DEFAULTDNB
      It seems there is no need for anything other than connecting the device to your PS3.

      I got a tip off that the ODE's latest firmware update allows auto key discovery, and its pretty quick.

      [MENTION=95776]noonzascript[/MENTION] I heard from another source you can build custom/modded ISO's so I think the "missing/wrong file" thing is moot.... but I could be wrong.
      Oh so its just a firmware update? No acting like "ya you can get the keys but first buy this key extractor" that's a cobra and TrueBlue thing. These guys are looking better everyday made in the USA stuff= better quality than that cobra china crap. And I'd assume you would be correct about the custom iso or what would be the point about buying this ode? You would have to be able to make a custom iso.

    87. DEFAULTDNB
      06-26-2013
      09:25 AM
      87

      Originally Posted by Proper_Nick
      Yes, but does it allow me to install gentoo?
      No, it does not.

    88. zecoxao
      06-26-2013
      09:40 AM
      88



      naehrwert to the rescue :D

    89. bammo
      06-26-2013
      10:34 AM
      89

      Originally Posted by zecoxao


      naehrwert to the rescue :D
      Source? 10char

    90. Asure
      06-26-2013
      10:49 AM
      90

      Source: Twitter.

      I guess, you can calculate i.e. brute force the drive key.
      A device pretends to be the drive, but it can tell when it's not authed. Plugged into your BDROM port, it sits and tries keys untill it finds the right one.

      I also guess there's not only AUTH_DRIVE_USER but also AUTH_DRIVE_BDROM or similar, and the BDROM AUTH is being abused here

      Edit: This would also mean you could do the key extraction with a PC or dev board like Arduino, but would require some skilled programmers to whip up a solution. Both available solutions should probably have done it that way. Complete BD drive emulation is not something a programmer just whips up in a day. (Unless everything besides the drive auth&crypt is just standard SATA commands..)

    91. Beoir
      06-26-2013
      11:17 AM
      91

      Originally Posted by TheArtificer
      There will be soldering for the 250x, 300x and SuperSlim.
      Source: k3yforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&p=70377

    92. AlexBaka
      06-26-2013
      11:47 AM
      92

      Originally Posted by Beoir
      Source: w ww.k3yforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&p=70377

      Edit: I can't post links due to the 15 posts limit, that's why I added a space in www :3.
      oh..here is a surpricse...you don't need to type "www" at all.

    93. hellsing9
      06-26-2013
      11:56 AM
      93

      [MENTION=268407]Beoir[/MENTION] It's not warez (you already read the rules) though so you can post that link without those www anyway like [MENTION=215850]AlexBaka[/MENTION] said.

    94. Beoir
      06-26-2013
      12:19 PM
      94

      Originally Posted by AlexBaka
      oh..here is a surpricse...you don't need to type "www" at all.
      Surprise*.

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      [MENTION=268407]Beoir[/MENTION] It's not warez (you already read the rules) though so you can post that link without those www anyway like [MENTION=215850]AlexBaka[/MENTION] said.
      I know, but it's the same thing anyway, lol. Ty .
      Fixed it (?).

    95. DEFAULTDNB
      06-26-2013
      02:00 PM
      95

      UPDATED INFO:

      The 3k3y team have finally figured out the 'key-extraction' issue. How did they fix it? By redesigning the product to not need the key at all. Magic. Slightly modified hardware (adapter boards) will be needed for the Slim model, and we believe some small soldering for 2.5k, 3k, and 4k models. Phat models we are not sure yet but please do not buy stock yet unless you have your keys. We will update our product pages asap when more details are confirmed.
      Thank you anonymous tipster

    96. edivaldo
      06-26-2013
      02:18 PM
      96

      A guy here in Brazil managed to run backups on ofw and 4k models is not fake, but do not know how it's done

    97. zecoxao
      06-26-2013
      02:19 PM
      97

      Originally Posted by DEFAULTDNB
      UPDATED INFO:


      Thank you anonymous tipster
      naehrwert already knows how that works. hence that meme. all you need is sv_iso keys lol

    98. DEFAULTDNB
      06-26-2013
      02:38 PM
      98

      Originally Posted by zecoxao
      naehrwert already knows how that works. hence that meme. all you need is sv_iso keys lol
      Yup, just confirming officially.

    99. tjhooker73
      06-26-2013
      02:44 PM
      99

      So it's the same method (slightly modified) that cobra has been using I'm guessing.

      Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

    100. Cheesethief
      06-26-2013
      02:58 PM
      100

      Originally Posted by smf
      This can get the drive key so it can pretend to be a drive.

      The drive key is useless without the hardware.
      Please do not take me for an idiot. I know how an ODDE functions well enough in this regard. The thing here is that the drive key can be taken and used with different hardware or even a DIY hardware project.

    101. euss
      06-26-2013
      03:03 PM
      101

      Originally Posted by Asure
      I guess, you can calculate i.e. brute force the drive key.
      1. Suppose you can test one key every second
      2. for simplicity sake lets pretend the keysize is 0x10

      1 byte = 0x100 variants
      0x10 bytes would have
      0x100^10 or
      0x100*0x100*0x100*0x100*0x100*0x100*0x100*0x100*0x100*0x100*0x100*0x100*0x100*0x100*0x100*0x100 or
      3.4028237e+38 variants

      or if you rather count in base10:
      1 byte = 256 variants
      16 bytes would have
      256^16 or
      256*256*256*256*256*256*256*256*256*256*256*256*256*256*256*256 or
      3.4028237e+38 variants

      there are 31556926 seconds in a year
      taking you 10783127828133147806075110339701 years to check each key variant possible with 0x10 keysize and 1 key per second.

    102. haz367
      06-26-2013
      03:19 PM
      102

      ey euss in the house..the man..

    103. chr15m
      06-26-2013
      03:30 PM
      103

      Originally Posted by euss
      10783127828133147806075110339701 years to check each key variant
      he could get lucky and hit it in the first year

    104. zecoxao
      06-26-2013
      03:57 PM
      104

      Originally Posted by chr15m
      he could get lucky and hit it in the first year
      Daft Punk - Get Lucky (Official Audio) ft. Pharrell Williams - YouTube

    105. haz367
      06-26-2013
      04:20 PM
      105

      great song damn woman... always letting u work for it...but once u got it...beschuitje?

    106. ricardosvp
      06-26-2013
      04:26 PM
      106

      Where in Brazil? Send me PM please!
      "Aonde no Brasil? Me envie via PM por favor"

      Originally Posted by edivaldo
      A guy here in Brazil managed to run backups on ofw and 4k models is not fake, but do not know how it's done

    107. Aokiji
      06-26-2013
      04:58 PM
      107

      youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oN2Ms3Y8dJY


      In Brazil !!!!

    108. LoboGuara
      06-26-2013
      05:13 PM
      108

      Originally Posted by Aokiji
      youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oN2Ms3Y8dJY


      In Brazil !!!!
      Originally Posted by ricardosvp
      Where in Brazil? Send me PM please!
      "Aonde no Brasil? Me envie via PM por favor"

    109. ricardosvp
      06-26-2013
      05:17 PM
      109

      Hahahahaha

      Originally Posted by LoboGuara

    110. LoboGuara
      06-26-2013
      05:20 PM
      110

      ^^ Don�t believe everything you see on youtube hehe

    111. haxckode
      06-26-2013
      05:50 PM
      111

      the ode becomes the administrator, is a modified psn game and need the activation of the system, do not need the keys to the unit and running it is a game that gives full access to the kernel of the console, you need the activation of the game and the game is compiled to run as a charger making the system believe that e is an original game psn, but inside is an administrator changed, as I said in the otrolado.net do believe that multiman is original if parcheas as a game, but does not give you peek poke. that game is stored in the Blast of the ode, the ode itself is a flash, and as in a video he was making use of the e3 flasher to extract the data stored in the flash 2mb of the blue ray

    112. edivaldo
      06-26-2013
      05:59 PM
      112

      friend is real I see with my eyes, the method reveals not the guy but it's real

    113. aldostools
      06-26-2013
      06:37 PM
      113

      Originally Posted by euss
      1. Suppose you can test one key every second
      2. for simplicity sake lets pretend the keysize is 0x10
      ...
      3.4028237e+38 variants
      ...
      taking you 10783127828133147806075110339701 years to check each key variant possible with 0x10 keysize and 1 key per second.
      That's correct, but remember that that time is the worst scenario.

      The same analysis applies for the (dev) klicensee keys used to encrypt EDAT and SELF/SPRX (which have a keysize of 0x10), and the practice shows that it can be bruteforced in less than 1 minute in many cases if a reduced universe of possible keys is available.

    114. DAhKid
      06-26-2013
      07:25 PM
      114

      Originally Posted by noonzascript
      The only thing stopping me from buying this product is that not every game has a valid IRD in their database which is needed to convert ripped jb/multiman games to an ISO format suitable for the 3k3y. (correct me if I'm wrong though)
      Dude even with a valid IRD you might get the dreaded "ISO DOES NOT MATCH THE ORIGINAL" you get that if one of the game files have been modified or is corrupted i had to redownload 5 full games and 7 partial downloads where i only downloaded the one or two files that failed the hash check
      and I to remodify the param.sfo files back to their original settings and you must also have every files in the game folder even the ones you deleted to save space otherwise it won't even try to build the iso I got 27 games fully rebuilt and 31 more to go at least i got black ops 2 working



      PS1 if the iso does not match you can still play it but you might get banned if you go online

      PS2 do my eyes deceive me did [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] endorse 3k3y

      PS3 I should start uploading my 3K3Y ISO collection (the ones that got rebuilt properly)

    115. jarmster
      06-26-2013
      07:52 PM
      115

      Originally Posted by DAhKid
      PS3 I should start uploading my 3K3Y ISO collection (the ones that got rebuilt properly)
      Just the files you had to replace please...

    116. euss
      06-26-2013
      08:00 PM
      116

      Originally Posted by aldostools
      That's correct, but remember that that time is the worst scenario.

      The same analysis applies for the (dev) klicensee keys used to encrypt EDAT and SELF/SPRX (which have a keysize of 0x10), and the practice shows that it can be bruteforced in less than 1 minute in many cases if a reduced universe of possible keys is available.
      ofcourse my example was intentionally optimistic

      there are other things that slow it down even more:
      longer key, secundairy auth, single handshake, one thread only, having to wait on output and second key etc. Now I don't know if they also implemented IBM's way of securing by turning off system after x fails.. that will significantly increase time /per_key.

      all those problems are not on the PC when doing EDAT as you can use as much threads as available, without waitstates or secundairy auth. you know you are on the right track as soon as one thread signals back getting expected data. You could even use a cluster and distribute it.

    117. DAhKid
      06-26-2013
      08:07 PM
      117

      Originally Posted by jarmster
      Just the files you had to replace please...
      I don't remember which files were bad but if you're ever rebuilding ISOs and you're off by a couple of files hit me up.
      I am about to get a 1 month blockbuster account to increase my collection and I always upload my IRDs from games I rip myself to the 3K3Y website.

    118. hellsing9
      06-26-2013
      08:32 PM
      118

      [MENTION=259911]DAhKid[/MENTION] I don't. I said in another thread that between those two poisons. I will go for 3K3Y.

      Why? they promised something that later removed = features for 3K/4K users.
      Meanwhile Cobra is still teasing and didn't release anything, just random specs.

      I do not like both of them but like i said if have to pick which poison is less lethal, i go with 3K3Y.

    119. popman
      06-27-2013
      07:58 AM
      119

      Originally Posted by DAhKid
      Dude even with a valid IRD you might get the dreaded "ISO DOES NOT MATCH THE ORIGINAL" you get that if one of the game files have been modified or is corrupted i had to redownload 5 full games and 7 partial downloads where i only downloaded the one or two files that failed the hash check
      and I to remodify the param.sfo files back to their original settings and you must also have every files in the game folder even the ones you deleted to save space otherwise it won't even try to build the iso I got 27 games fully rebuilt and 31 more to go at least i got black ops 2 working)
      Anyone else realize that this will cause huge issues for groups putting splash screens in their releases and altering game files without mentioning it.

      also, won't the eboots need replacing, since they are decrypted by the drive? (when I load a PS3 game disk in my computer, everything has the same hash as a multiMAN rip, except the eboot)

    120. haz367
      06-27-2013
      08:28 AM
      120

      Originally Posted by edivaldo
      friend is real I see with my eyes, the method reveals not the guy but it's real
      so u have a real friend..cool story man

    121. koetseb
      06-27-2013
      09:22 AM
      121

      So, if I'm right , a new cfw is comming ?

    122. Simonbuck
      06-27-2013
      09:55 AM
      122

      Originally Posted by Proper_Nick
      Yes. cfw over 3.55+ ofw is possible now.
      These are not the Private keys

    123. Simonbuck
      06-27-2013
      10:04 AM
      123

      Originally Posted by Proper_Nick
      You don't need the private keys to install cfw. You can just take out the harddrive and decrypt it then copy over the cfw then re-encrypt.
      R U for real

    124. JonahUK
      06-27-2013
      10:24 AM
      124

      Quoted post removed.

    125. Simonbuck
      06-27-2013
      10:42 AM
      125

      Ok this is fishy... why are posts being deleted ???

    126. JonahUK
      06-27-2013
      10:43 AM
      126

      Originally Posted by Simonbuck
      Ok this is fishy... why are posts being deleted ???
      Probably due to Proper_Nick being a Proper_Dick

    127. JonahUK
      06-27-2013
      10:45 AM
      127

      Quoted post removed.

    128. JonahUK
      06-27-2013
      10:51 AM
      128

      Quoted post removed.

    129. GregoryRasputin
      06-27-2013
      11:01 AM
      129

      [MENTION=193374]JonahUK[/MENTION] and [MENTION=208137]Simonbuck[/MENTION] ignore the tool, its JeoWay, being pathetic as usual, he hasn't been faking any CFW lately, so feels the need to spam the forum with stupid posts, i have banned him about ten times so far, but he is sexually attracted to me and cant help joining and making an ass of himself

    130. tjhooker73
      06-27-2013
      11:06 AM
      130

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      [MENTION=193374]JonahUK[/MENTION] and [MENTION=208137]Simonbuck[/MENTION] ignore the tool, its JeoWay, being pathetic as usual, he hasn't been faking any CFW lately, so feels the need to spam the forum with stupid posts, i have banned him about ten times so far, but he is sexually attracted to me and cant help joining and making an ass of himself
      I guess he can't help but feel attracted to you Greg :P

      Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

    131. haz367
      06-27-2013
      04:41 PM
      131

      Originally Posted by Simonbuck
      R U for real
      from the moment he joined i asked myself the same question..who is this? atleast he got a proper nick


      ah edit: it's thast silly mofo jeoway...highohway..tegekjohey..

    132. tjhooker73
      06-27-2013
      04:49 PM
      132

      Originally Posted by haz367
      from the moment he joined i asked myself the same question..who is this? atleast he got a proper nick


      ah edit: it's thast silly mofo jeoway...highohway..tegekjohey..
      I think he must have Multiple personality disorder

      Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

    133. haz367
      06-27-2013
      04:54 PM
      133

      must be something..but as they say here..LB heh (lekker belangrijk) think he didn't get to much attention when he was younger...once again lb.....

    134. Stephens
      06-30-2013
      01:05 PM
      134

      I'm sorry to be dumb, but after reading all the doubts increase rather than decrease.
      I just want to know if this can be used with games that use hard drives in my PS3 with CFW??
      thank you

    135. saxile
      07-06-2013
      10:38 PM
      135

      Any updates on this? I would check myself but for some odd reason 3k3y.com won't load on either of my PCs.

    136. Culangot
      12-21-2013
      10:03 PM
      136

      Is this 3k3y thing purpose are the same as jailbreaking Consoles even the supposed to be unbreakable mods, Does it still needs hardware installation to my consoles or just the firmware
      (Sorry for asking guys, I'm still a noob in this genre' i'm still trying to grab things here)