• Xbox 360 Hacks , 19.06.2013

    Well this is a pleasant surprise, someone finally decided to slap the idiots at Microsoft, and today they have said they are reversing ALL DRM policies on the next Xbox, including the used-game restriction and always internet restriction.

     

    Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.

    For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.

    Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

    You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

    So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

    An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

    Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

    In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console — there will be no regional restrictions.

    These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

    We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.

    Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.

    [VIA]

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  • 101 Comments

    1. BobbyBangin
      06-19-2013
      05:40 PM
      1

      This changes things quite a bit. I still would like a definitive statement from them saying they never plan to update it to enable it either. Dropping the all region locks is really cool too.

    2. fudfast
      06-19-2013
      05:43 PM
      2

      This REALLY changes the tide of battle..................

    3. haz367
      06-19-2013
      05:45 PM
      3

      no backbone at all...this example u can see how silly they are..everything for the cash flow
      go pre-order it..cover up the kinex? thingy when u jurk off on redtubes..

    4. tjhooker73
      06-19-2013
      05:46 PM
      4

      Woooooww ****ing M$ no balls to stick through with their mistake

      Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

    5. jdtamimi
      06-19-2013
      05:47 PM
      5

      They have no choice in order to compete with Sony. I've seen it coming.

      Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2

    6. VIRGIN KLM
      06-19-2013
      05:53 PM
      6

      I wouldn't use Caps, but I DO want to scream (even if it's against the rules) since it's a crucial momment in video game history and I believe everybody needs to read that:

      SEE PEOPLE? FOR ALL YOU THAT YOU WERE TELLING ME THAT BOYCOOTING AND SHOWING YOUR DISAPPROVAL AND GENERALLY SHOWING THAT YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT A COMPANY DOES AGAINST YOUR RIGHTS DOESN'T HAVE ANY RESULTS...? WELL APPARENTLY IT DOES HAVE RESULTS. SO WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE THE TIME THAT YOU F*^%ING WAKE UP AND STAND UP FOR YOUR CONSUMER RIGHTS AGAINST SONY? WHEN IS IT GOING TO HAPPEN TO PLAYSTATION COMMUNITIES THAT ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF A REVOLUTION?

    7. GregoryRasputin
      06-19-2013
      06:02 PM
      7

      My article must have been rubbish, I even added a poll

      You can vote here:
      http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=57952

    8. VideoX
      06-19-2013
      06:06 PM
      8

      Yet they never mention that ****ty thing about keep the Kinect always pluged-in.

      Let's not forget that MS was trying to make us swallow all those "wonderful features" by force. They didn't care about the customers in the beginning nor they are caring about them now.

    9. imarster
      06-19-2013
      06:35 PM
      9

      omg i do not believe ms listened epic news

      but in reality they had no choice ... the info they let out made me jump ship to ps4

    10. ElSalvatore
      06-19-2013
      06:36 PM
      10

      All the people complaining now that Microsoft has no backbone to stick to their mistake:
      Isn't that what most of you wanted? A company that learns from their mistakes?! A company that listenes to what the customer wants?!

      MS didn't have much of a choice either - if they didn't want to get buttf***ed by Sony.

      But don't you forget fellas how Sony was (and still seems to be) the ******* here:
      promising awesome features and then simply taking them away - just like that.

      After all I don't know who to trust here more: MS or Sony.
      I'm afraid either of one or even both might implement the ****ing DRM-**** with one of their System-Updates.

      I at least will wait about a year until I decide which console I'll buy or even whether I'll buy one at all...

    11. Willie C.
      06-19-2013
      06:56 PM
      11

      A friend of mine went to GameStop the other day and a manager told him for every XBOX1 that was preordered there were 3 PS4's preordered. They know that and they know why. Money loss is why they changed their tunes.

    12. bammo
      06-19-2013
      07:32 PM
      12

      Originally Posted by ElSalvatore
      All the people complaining now that Microsoft has no backbone to stick to their mistake:
      Isn't that what most of you wanted? A company that learns from their mistakes?! A company that listenes to what the customer wants?!

      MS didn't have much of a choice either - if they didn't want to get buttf***ed by Sony.

      But don't you forget fellas how Sony was (and still seems to be) the ******* here:
      promising awesome features and then simply taking them away - just like that.

      After all I don't know who to trust here more: MS or Sony.
      I'm afraid either of one or even both might implement the ****ing DRM-**** with one of their System-Updates.

      I at least will wait about a year until I decide which console I'll buy or even whether I'll buy one at all...
      Sony will butt rape everyone the wiiu is dead b4 it started i wanted to watch microsoft burn and watch sony own it all back in the good ole days when ps1 was kicking ass

    13. Annelies
      06-19-2013
      07:52 PM
      13

      Originally Posted by fudfast
      This REALLY changes the tide of battle..................
      No it doesn't. It really doesn't.

    14. Thelostdeathknight
      06-19-2013
      08:58 PM
      14

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      No it doesn't. It really doesn't.
      indeeed it doesn't. PS4 and Xbox one will be robbed and crunched by PC

    15. Vallachia
      06-19-2013
      09:38 PM
      15

      M$ are sneaky dog turds. They will sneak all their DRM **** back in a year after launch with a system update.

      Anyway, the Xbone is a weak console. PS4 has 50% more shader cores in the GPU and has GDDR5 on a 256bit bus, just like a proper mid-high end gfx card. Xbone is a piece of crap in comparison, a low end DDR3 vid card.

    16. kira.30
      06-19-2013
      10:14 PM
      16

      so foreseen, this was obviously going to happen.

    17. AlexBaka
      06-20-2013
      12:57 AM
      17

      If they allow you to play games offline that means another thing too - there is no real "cloud power". Lie within a lie...

      P.S. Microsoft game up the part that is the easiest one to bring back, they will just write additional "clarification" if they like. Kinect was much worse for me

      P.S.S. I find it quite funny that those who changed the situation aren't xbox fans (case they have already preordered it) but whose who think xbox is peace of brick and haven't invested even a cent into it. So M$ doen't care about fan base :3

    18. Brenza
      06-20-2013
      01:30 AM
      18

      i just would'n buy an xbox because of what they tried to do


      You're not ****ing apple, write this in your mind M$

    19. Jpond83
      06-20-2013
      01:36 AM
      19

      I will eventually get both. I'm gonna wait for the normal 1st, 2nd, or 3rd gen hardware fails to pass. But I would much rather play xbox.

      Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk 2

    20. TitaniumL
      06-20-2013
      02:19 AM
      20

      Originally Posted by imarster
      omg i do not believe ms listened epic news

      but in reality they had no choice ... the info they let out made me jump ship to ps4
      They didn't listen. They saw the crazy number of pre-orders not going their way.

      Happy about this and region-free games now :D

      If only they drop their price below Sony's now..

    21. BobbyBangin
      06-20-2013
      02:44 AM
      21

      Originally Posted by TitaniumL
      They didn't listen. They saw the crazy number of pre-orders not going their way.

      Happy about this and region-free games now :D

      If only they drop their price below Sony's now..
      It was everything. But yes, money is the number one reason. They did the same thing Sony did. First Sony filed a patent that would block used games. Then after Microsoft made their announcement Sony decided not to use it due to the negative feedback Microsoft received. It was wise of Microsoft to change their policies. At least it was a change for the better rather than removing a feature like otherOS AFTER it was released.

    22. tjhooker73
      06-20-2013
      03:58 AM
      22

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      No it doesn't. It really doesn't.
      Sarcasm... Why dies no one else see it -_-

      Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

    23. Annelies
      06-20-2013
      04:03 AM
      23

      Originally Posted by tjhooker73
      Sarcasm... Why dies no one else see it -_-

      Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
      I'm serious.

    24. Persian McLovin
      06-20-2013
      05:02 AM
      24

      Originally Posted by Thelostdeathknight
      indeeed it doesn't. PS4 and Xbox one will be robbed and crunched by PC
      Yeah that's true...can't wait to play the new upcoming Naughty Dog games on my PC along with all the others only on consoles! Oh wait...

      Anyway, screw M$. A small part of me is like "wow this is great!" but then the rest of me kicks in and goes "screw them, they're giving back things they should NEVER have threatened and planned to take away in the first place!".

      I'm supposed to be grateful for this crap? P*ss off and how dare you try and change things that have been fine for decades and whilst you're in "damn we're going to lose money and fans, let's change up our policies" mode, get rid of your mandatory Kinect crap and make your pricing more competitive. Jeez and some people got paid (a lot) for this mess as their "job"? Wow...

      I also agree with [MENTION=109298]Annelies[/MENTION] that this does not "change the tide of battle". PS4 won that battle and probably the war for the simple fact that they did not publically announce that they wanted to screw gamers over...and over and over.

      Screw you M$, you have a lot more to do.

    25. bubbleboy
      06-20-2013
      05:05 AM
      25

      Bad news... a million pissed off hackers would have hacked this system for the good of users worldwide.

      Now their motivation is gone.

      See Sony removing OOS on PS3.

    26. oPolo
      06-20-2013
      06:05 AM
      26

      Lol. I still hope that they fail hard and are beyond the point, where they can repair their PR for the Xbone.
      They need to be punished hard, just for having wanted to implement all that DRM ****. They cannot just say "ok, we will quit it", and everything is forgotten.

      Had they gotten away with it, it would have been a ****ing slippery slope for them AND for other companies that would have done the same, and even started doing worse.

      Even attempts at such moves that pisses on us, and which limits our freedom, should by no means be tolerable. They shouldn't be praised for removing something that shouldn't have been there to begin with, lol.
      I'm so ****ing disappointed over Microsoft... and I have 3 xbox 360's

      Anyway, in short, I will not be buying one anyway now. Go Wii U. **** graphics and internal hardware (if the price is fair), go innovation.

      Originally Posted by Persian McLovin
      Anyway, screw M$. A small part of me is like "wow this is great!" but then the rest of me kicks in and goes "screw them, they're giving back things they should NEVER have threatened and planned to take away in the first place!".

      I'm supposed to be grateful for this crap? P*ss off and how dare you try and change things that have been fine for decades and whilst you're in "damn we're going to lose money and fans, let's change up our policies" mode, get rid of your mandatory Kinect crap and make your pricing more competitive. Jeez and some people got paid (a lot) for this mess as their "job"? Wow...
      Exactly, they should not be forgiven for having done such an attack on us and on gaming in general. Like Icarus in greek mythology, they got too full of themselves and ended up flying too close to the sun. There is only one way after that... That is down.

    27. ElSalvatore
      06-20-2013
      06:24 AM
      27

      LOL

      It's funny how everebody complains about MS planing to put that DRM-crap on the XBone in the first place. Don't you remember who came up with that DRM-sh*t in the first place?
      Sony did by applying for a patent.

      The only reason Sony didn't male the mistake to finally implement it was because they were waiting for MS' move.
      That's the reason they didn't show anything about the console back in Feb. but only the controller!
      Trust me, if MS hadn't gotten such bad feedback, Sony would have used their patented DRM-cr*p too!

      And who says that Sony won't implement their DRM-stuff in their PS4-OS but just don't activate it yet anyway?
      It seems to me that everybody's gotten their trust in Sony back just because they "keep" features that we've had since videogames existed.


      I'm afraid they'll try to pull the same sh*t they did with the PS3 and OtherOS.
      Why does it seem that I'm the only one with that fear...?

    28. stevorkz
      06-20-2013
      06:30 AM
      28

      THE SCENE: Microsoft exec 1 and 2 both peep at the stage from back stage while a Sony exec is on stage being cheered at and worshipped by consumers

      Microsoft exec 1: Flip what did Sony do that we didnt do?

      Microsoft exec 2: Dude, isnt it obvious? The PS4 isnt DRMd in its chops and people will be able to share games and not have to be online all the time.

      Microsoft exec 1: But it was going to make us so much more money than them. Thats what we want most just like they do.

      Microsoft exec 2: Yeah well, looks like they took the opportunity to win customers over by playing the good guy as soon as they found out about our "always online" and "no used games" policies.

      Microsoft exec 1: Are you actually saying...

      Microsoft exec 2: Yep. Theres no way we are going to compete now. Im going out there



      THE SCENE: Microsoft exec 2 runs out on stage while people are still cheering at the Sony exec but grabs the microphone....

      Microsoft exec 2: ZIOOOON! Hear meeeee! Xbox one.....will NOT require always online and as far as used games go, everything will be the same as the 360 and you will be able to swap, sell and trade games as much as you like because....."we care about you"


      THE SCENE: The crowd goes completely wild with their gullable cheers as the Sony exec looks and shakes his head with a knowing grin on his face as if to say..."it took you this long".


      On a side note its good to be back after a two month stretch.

    29. patastinky
      06-20-2013
      07:20 AM
      29

      Remind me again why they wanted to have the "always ON" feature again? I can understand the DRM, they are hoping that others would follow suite, but i'm glad that SONY didn't.

    30. Mackdanny
      06-20-2013
      08:01 AM
      30

      There's also that crappy Microsoft reveal conference they had back in May. E3 was the most recent thing that kicked Microsoft's ass but they were doing it to themselves since late may. Remember, Microsoft is still selling you a glorified pseudo-cable box... that happens to play Call of Duty.

    31. BossSauce
      06-20-2013
      08:13 AM
      31

      Originally Posted by ElSalvatore
      MS didn't have much of a choice either - if they didn't want to get buttf***ed by Sony.
      They're still going to get buttf***ed.

      This is a last ditch effort to compete, frankly its too late. PS3 os killing XB1 in pre-orders because it is a better system, no restrictions, and 100.00 cheaper.

    32. ohb0y2k4
      06-20-2013
      08:43 AM
      32

      I too was a hardcore Xbox fan for years. Never played online mind you. The Xbox one is actually swaying me to the ps4 platform. In doing so I just purchased a cech2501b and started making moves to the PS arena.

      Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 4 Beta

    33. Thelostdeathknight
      06-20-2013
      09:03 AM
      33

      Originally Posted by Persian McLovin
      Yeah that's true...can't wait to play the new upcoming Naughty Dog games on my PC along with all the others only on consoles! Oh wait...
      Lol compared to PC the amount of exclusive you have on console is paltry and luaghable, and now they are going to be running on x86_64 hardware with support for Open GL 4.3 or DX 11.1, so it's not like you have some weird pain in the ass architecture keeping them exclusive, just money doing that and what happens when there is more money in going multiplatform than staying bound to one console..........

      if the game is done in OpenGL say hello to OSX, Linux, and Windows for PC versions, if done in DX11 Windows it is

      Oh and don't bring piracy on PC into this as a reason they wouldn't go multiplatform or I will PMSL.

    34. Theeze
      06-20-2013
      09:39 AM
      34

      Originally Posted by Thelostdeathknight
      Lol compared to PC the amount of exclusive you have on console is paltry and luaghable, and now they are going to be running on x86_64 hardware with support for Open GL 4.3 or DX 11.1, so it's not like you have some weird pain in the ass architecture keeping them exclusive, just money doing that and what happens when there is more money in going multiplatform than staying bound to one console..........

      if the game is done in OpenGL say hello to OSX, Linux, and Windows for PC versions, if done in DX11 Windows it is
      You're forgetting one thing, most of these console exclusives are just exclusive to one console... PC is immune to those deals.

      Games like titanfall will be on PC and most likely Destiny as well before it hits the other console. As long as it's from a third party studio, exclusivity among consoles is one thing but PC is on a different playing field.

      Linux won't be getting any games written for it. It'll either be a cider port or plain old Wine/playonlinux

    35. Persian McLovin
      06-20-2013
      09:48 AM
      35

      Originally Posted by Thelostdeathknight
      Lol compared to PC the amount of exclusive you have on console is paltry and luaghable, and now they are going to be running on x86_64 hardware with support for Open GL 4.3 or DX 11.1, so it's not like you have some weird pain in the ass architecture keeping them exclusive, just money doing that and what happens when there is more money in going multiplatform than staying bound to one console..........

      if the game is done in OpenGL say hello to OSX, Linux, and Windows for PC versions, if done in DX11 Windows it is

      Oh and don't bring piracy on PC into this as a reason they wouldn't go multiplatform or I will PMSL.
      LOL why are you going all technical? I never said it was a hardware thing or even an OS thing regarding PC vs consoles...it's purely GAMES and you're right, the quantity of exclusives is greater on PC but quality-wise? Easily towards consoles, think that's what you're failing to see here.

      I don't really care what something is on, I have every system including a PC for one reason...to play every game so I don't miss out on anything.

      If it was all about the hardware and not quality first/third-party exclusives then consoles would be dead on arrival!

      Emulation cannot even be used as an excuse now and regarding Xbox 360/PS3 it looks like it won't be for many years to come to achieve a decent playable state.

      The other things you touched upon are purely hypothetical, let's stick to the facts.

      Bottom line? Get all hardware to play all games, that simple.

    36. gingerbread
      06-20-2013
      09:48 AM
      36

      There will be still DRM in Xbox one. I am sure over time, M$ will implement (turn on) 1 by 1 via FW update after 1 or 2 year. By then, PPL will have no choice to update their system or they can't play new games.

    37. Persian McLovin
      06-20-2013
      09:55 AM
      37

      Originally Posted by gingerbread
      There will be still DRM in Xbox one. I am sure over time, M$ will implement (turn on) 1 by 1 via FW update after 1 or 2 year. By then, PPL will have no choice to update their system or they can play new games.
      True.

      Or the other option: play the games you already have, don't update out of principle and wait for the inevitable hacking to commence!

    38. Thelostdeathknight
      06-20-2013
      10:01 AM
      38

      Originally Posted by Theeze
      Linux won't be getting any games written for it. It'll either be a cider port or plain old Wine/playonlinux
      Linux will be getting plenty of games as more and more use OpenGL, Steam will ensure this

    39. bammo
      06-20-2013
      10:08 AM
      39

      Originally Posted by TitaniumL
      They didn't listen. They saw the crazy number of pre-orders not going their way.

      Happy about this and region-free games now :D

      If only they drop their price below Sony's now..
      Will never happen and i hope they add the restrictions back in a future update

    40. gingerbread
      06-20-2013
      10:10 AM
      40

      Originally Posted by Persian McLovin
      True.

      Or the other option: play the games you already have, don't update out of principle and wait for the inevitable hacking to commence!
      I think, it will be a while before any hack is released or found. The later it is found the better it is. Who ever finds any exploit, he/she should not release it quickly just for "fame".

    41. Thelostdeathknight
      06-20-2013
      10:14 AM
      41

      Originally Posted by Persian McLovin
      snip
      It's purely money and you avoid what my point was, the amount of money for publishers/dev in multiplatform vs exclusive. third party exclusives are a dying breed. M$ first party stuff will more than like end up on GFWL. So that leave Nintendo and Sony with their first party games

      But I like your bottom line, pay out the ass to play an extra handful of games

      anyways both Sony and M$ are going to pound console users in the ass with DRM down the road via system updates and don't tell me it won't happen. they both are right now playing their cards to get these DRM boxes in your home, once in your home it's as simple as pushing a mandatory update. They are two faces of the same beast and should be treated as such

    42. mdrb97
      06-20-2013
      10:29 AM
      42

      Too late...

    43. Persian McLovin
      06-20-2013
      10:30 AM
      43

      Originally Posted by Thelostdeathknight
      It's purely money and you avoid what my point was, the amount of money for publishers/dev in multiplatform vs exclusive.

      But I like your bottom line, pay out the ass to play an extra handful of games

      anyways both Sony and M$ are going to pound console users in the ass with DRM down the road via system updates and don't tell me it won't happen. they both are right now playing their cards to get these DRM boxes in your home, once in your home it's as simple as pushing a mandatory update. They are two faces of the same beast and should be treated as such
      What the hell are you talking about now? You originally stated:
      Originally Posted by Thelostdeathknight
      indeeed it doesn't. PS4 and Xbox one will be robbed and crunched by PC
      And to which I replied simply that whilst that is true with regards to hardware, exclusive high-quality blockbusters are the difference for consoles and as a passionate gamer that is hugely important to me.

      You've now gone on a side-quest talking about the cost, DRM etc. yet this is a contradiction because to run most things that would "crunch" the new consoles graphically would cost more than �349! Also talking about hardware it isn't just about power but also how games are played. The Wii is a classic example of this.

      Not really a handful. ALL of Nintendo's games, ALL of Sony's games, ALL of Microsoft's games and ALL the exclusive 3rd party games inbetween is "a handful"? LOL.

      PC + Wii U + Xbox One + PS4 is the way to go but fanboys will never see this simple concept unless it is down to affordability which I sympathise with but if it is purely down to stubborness and brand/platform loyalty then that is just sad if you call yourself a "gamer".

    44. Thelostdeathknight
      06-20-2013
      10:52 AM
      44

      Originally Posted by Persian McLovin
      snip
      Money will rob and crunch your consoles as third party exclusives die out not sure how that is hard to understand, it had nothing to do with graphical power.

      As for those blockbusters, a fair few of them are questionable at best.

      i could throw together a CPU and GPU for less than 349 euro that will crunch these console and do so much more.

      I'm not a fanboy, but i find it hard to invest 1200$ for hardware in three machines that 2 of them will more than likely suffer the same RROD, RLOD crap that their previous generation suffered plus 60-70$ per game.

    45. Persian McLovin
      06-20-2013
      10:55 AM
      45

      Originally Posted by Thelostdeathknight
      Money will rob and crunch your consoles as third party exclusive die out not sure how that is hard to understand, it had nothing to do with graphical power.

      As for those blockbusters, a fair few of them are questionable at best.

      i could throw together a CPU and GPU for less than 349 euro that will crunch these console and do so much more.

      I'm not a fanboy, but i find it hard to invest 1200$ for hardware plus 60-70$ per game.
      So what you're saying is that your own purely subjective opinions, assumptions and hypothetics are better than facts?

      Ok, we'll leave it at that then and I'll enjoy playing games and not missing out on anything.

      You go enjoy your beast PC for under 349 Euros lmao.

    46. Thelostdeathknight
      06-20-2013
      11:04 AM
      46

      Originally Posted by Persian McLovin
      You go enjoy your beast PC for under 349 Euros lmao.
      Lol beast PC my ass, a low to mid range gaming rig is more like it, but if you think i was talking about a beast pc keep thinking that. anyways you fall into what i would like to call someone with more money than brains

    47. Persian McLovin
      06-20-2013
      11:05 AM
      47

      Originally Posted by Thelostdeathknight
      Lol beast PC my ass, a low to mid range gaming rig is more like it.
      But I thought you were going to "crunch" the new consoles?

      Out of curiosity may I ask you something? Are you going to purchase ANY of the next gen systems?

    48. Thelostdeathknight
      06-20-2013
      11:11 AM
      48

      Originally Posted by Persian McLovin
      But I thought you were going to "crunch" the new consoles?

      Out of curiosity may I ask you something? Are you going to purchase ANY of the next gen systems?
      a low to midrange PC will crunch them

      I may buy a Wii U when it's near the end of it's life cycle, but i learned my lesson with M$ and Sueme consoles. i lost count of how many xbox 360s RROD on me or GLOD, YLOD, RLOD ps3 i have had, was glad with myself for buying extra warrenties. that's not even counting in all the Other OS bs and the psn bs or the overpriced online play on xbox 360

    49. japsander
      06-20-2013
      11:12 AM
      49

      it would have been suicide to "not" backtrack on the DRM

      now i will keep an eye on both consoles instead of just the one

    50. SeanP2500
      06-20-2013
      11:22 AM
      50

      well I'll be has social media just won a small victory against the man? This is good news if it has. I personally just like to play video games. In terms of PC there are some truly amazing things on PC but all the titles (for example Way of Samurai 4 on PS3) I usually end up being interested in rarely come out on PC honestly (LOTR BFME II is an all time pc fav though). Always have been a console gamer at heart though. I think a couple of people said it best. Those who have been complaining were merely requesting rights we have had all along as console gamers. Why should we give up our rights? Now if you can make a good argument why sure I will hear it out. Over at another forum someone pointed out they were planning to make the XBOX 1 more mmo intensive. I mean there is a valid point I guess. Microsoft could have made a killer presentation showing how since most of the games will have mmo elements you truly need to be online etc. But that's not how it felt.

      It felt like a ploy to prevent piracy/exploits/mod/hacks.

      I have been playing modded consoles now heck since snes. In fact I am one of those people the system doesn't become real fun till it is exploited. Yeah Xmugen spoiled me...(along with many other cool xbox homebrew) You know what I think really happened...Bunny pulled someone aside at MS and explained

      Hey uh this is a bad idea it will only lead to attacks from day one and you lose relatively a small amount of revenue to piracy...if you do this hacks would start from day one...it would be a race essentially...

      I am surprised that people are saying the xbox1 and ps4 have differences from the architecture of the hardware to the design/appearance of the consoles they are very similar...only major difference I saw was ram, though I read an interesting comment here with how data will be run that claims ps4 will be superior, even with the ram in mind I see no true difference really...MS has some sorta vodoo be warned...some sort of memory manipulation technique that I don't really understand...some will think me crazy for posting this...but in my view MS can use this technique to get gains (probably why they went for cheaper memory) so the systems will be very similar in terms of performance. It will come down to each respective systems exclusives and online networks. In my view MS won the online network battle this gen while sony squeaked by with a slightly better set of exclusives. $100 won't be enough of a price difference to make Sony the winner by default. In terms of company solvency MS has a slight edge (but windows 8 is a disaster in my view I just had to make a power off restart shortcut for a user because it was too confusing to have them for to charm menu then 3 more taps lol) though I would not be surprised if a company like Apple started to gobble up sega nintendo or even sony....

      All in all I hope this shows the younger crowd something...don't like something complain and keep complaining and don't accept it...

      Red Tails We Fight - YouTube

    51. Persian McLovin
      06-20-2013
      11:29 AM
      51

      Originally Posted by Thelostdeathknight
      a low to midrange PC will crunch them

      I may buy a Wii U when it's near the end of it's life cycle, but i learned my lesson with M$ and Sony consoles. i lost count of how many xbox 360s RROD on me or GLOD, YLOD, RLOD ps3 i have had, was glad with myself for buying extra warrenties. that's not even counting in all the Other OS bs and the psn bs or the overpriced online play on xbox 360
      lol a low PC would crunch the PS4? Ok...

      Well moving on, I made the mistake of not buying a PS3 at launch, in fact I didn't buy one until 2010! Never will I do that again, I just can't resist the games.

      This is the most exciting time for a gamer and I am beyond looking forward to this November and playing some awesome games with brand new tech.

      Shame others won't get to experience that but I guess different strokes for different folks.

    52. Persian McLovin
      06-20-2013
      12:08 PM
      53

      Originally Posted by Thelostdeathknight
      My Honest Opinion on the Xbox One's Policy Shift - YouTube

    53. stuck?
      06-20-2013
      12:12 PM
      54

      Originally Posted by Thelostdeathknight
      Basically, I agree with the graphic, but what I find kind of funny is the statement about why they would really want to spy on out of shape 20-somethings in their basement.

      Well, why not? Wouldn't it give all kinds of invaluable information about how a person goes through their gaming rituals, day-to-day activities, etc etc? The government already spies on us through electronic media, they have drones over the skies spying on you. This just gives them more information. It may not seem like a big deal to find out you pick your nose while you watch a certain program or play a game, but at the same time, it can pick up on peoples habits; it will tell when you aren't in front of your screen, maybe even details about yourself that you dont even know. Maybe you didnt know you pick your nose so much while you watch tv; or your hand is in your pants because it's comfortable.

      Just me...

      I am all for innovation even if I absolutely hate change; but when innovation is stripping us of privacy and functionality etc I tend to get butthurt.

      All in all, I AGREE with the graphic, but still stand against.

    54. SeanP2500
      06-20-2013
      12:39 PM
      55

      stuck your a conspiracy theorist go drink some tapwater it will fix that problem...jk

    55. DaveOMac
      06-20-2013
      04:35 PM
      56

      I have never been a big fan of Microshaft but while trawling across the webs I found this:

      http://pastebin.com/uCmdh9jB

      It is a log of some Microsoft Engineer who decided to answer some of the questions that most gamers had. I found it to be an interesting read.

      Now it does make some good points on why the Xbone originally had these DRM/Internet "restrictions", so were us gamers and the media too hasty in blasting Bill Gates and his cronies 5 months before the console got released or before we got a press release detailing "the bigger picture" ??

      To be honest, with me it wouldn't have made one bit of difference really. Before the conference at e3 I was planning to get Sonys PS4 anyway.

      And of course I have to put in there, their have been plenty of times XpoX has been criticised for things they have done before and our voices just weren't heard or fell on deaf ears. The changes Microsoft have made is pretty much all down to the pre-sale figures. Bill wants more $$$$ to wipe his ass with so something had to give.

    56. donglehater
      06-20-2013
      04:48 PM
      57

      6 months from now all of you will want all the drm turned back on and thankfully they will be able to do that with a single update.

    57. amiroray
      06-20-2013
      05:15 PM
      58

      aaaaaand the big difference is. i can run whatever code i want on my pc. when it comes to gaming on the pc i pay a price for being able to run my own code and i accept that. consoles are very restricted pc's not allowing you to run your own software. if i want a steam environment i will build a pc not buy an xbox. whats the point in having a console if i cant sell, trade or buy used games. for $500 the same price as box1 i can build a decent pc that should be able to push the same graphics if not better, and i can run whatever software i want. honestly what is the point of a console if im restricted to a steam environment?

    58. ttesterzz
      06-20-2013
      05:47 PM
      59

      I bet Sony is pissed!

    59. BobbyBangin
      06-20-2013
      06:11 PM
      60

      It doesn't matter what console you're a fanboy of, this is a victory for all console gaming in general. Very much the same way that the defeat of SOPA and PIPA acts were. It doesn't really matter what the motivation was, Microsoft listened. They had to have listened to know exactly what features it was that people hated and why they were pre-ordering the PS4 3-1 over the Xbox One.

      Everybody is who is complaining now sounds like a f'n retard, because 10 days ago you were complaining for the exact opposite reasons. So now they're back in the game and your favorite console once again has competition and won't be considered the best through attrition...boo-f'n-hoo. They righted the Titanic BEFORE it struck the iceberg, which was the right thing to do.

      Yeah of course they did it for money but MS could drop their Xbox line altogether and would still be a multi-billion dollar corporation without it. The money they get from Xbox sales is just a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of their sales.

      And since when did Sony become the White Knight in the first place? Let's not forgot how they got in the game in the first place. Let's also not forget how they stayed in the game throughout the years. They have long since been vigilantes against piracy in their own right since the Playstation. I still remember all their anti-piracy warnings that came on all the original Playstation games. From beginning to end they have been a black mark on console gaming in general and people love them for it. It's like the woman who keeps going back to the husband that beats her. Just wait till the PS4 gets hacked and see how much people are going to love the Sony. Remember the YLOD, removal of otherOS, Geohotz lawsuit, raiding and jailing of Graf, PSN infiltration, Sony's support of SOPA(one of the largest supporters), the ban waves, and feature removals? Oh and there's the the fact that Sony started the patent that restricted used games. Lol...and they just bricked a shi+ ton of consoles with their latest update. If you don't know what the former was about then you're just as naive as MS was when they followed suit.

      In the end it's fanboys faults that gaming is at where it is today. Does anybody really think some designers at Microsoft woke up one morning and thought to themselves, "let's f'k every single one of our core fans over while releasing the biggest flop of a console ever"? No, they didn't. They just followed all the consumer trends of what fans told them was acceptable. For everybody that willingly pays for DLC, Xbox Live, PSN, tb dongles, used gamestop games, a third different style of the same console, a third console after two previous YLOD's or two previous RROD's...congratulations, you're the ones that told them all these things were okay.

      In the meanwhile, Nintendo has kept their systems DRM free, kept online gaming free, didn't ban anybody for playing online with a modded console, and hasn't sued anybody or had their home raided for hacking their console. Yet, they're the most hated. I don't fk'n get it.

    60. Persian McLovin
      06-20-2013
      06:33 PM
      61

      I agree with [MENTION=200136]BobbyBangin[/MENTION]. This is why during this generation I haven't paid for a console new, bought any DLC or even Live. I would hate to be one of these people who b*tch and moan about stuff yet contradict themselves by funding the pockets of those they hate.

      Nintendo have done nothing wrong and if anything as a company, are clearly very devoted to their fanbase but it seems recently they're either a) criticised or b) hated by most. I don't get it either, seems they can't win.

    61. Thelostdeathknight
      06-20-2013
      06:50 PM
      62

      Originally Posted by BobbyBangin
      It doesn't matter what console you're a fanboy of, this is a victory for all console gaming in general. Very much the same way that the defeat of of SOPA and PIPA acts were. It doesn't really matter what the motivation was, Microsoft listened. They had to have listened to know exactly what features it was that people hated and why they were pre-ordering the PS4 3-1 over the Xbox One.

      Everybody is who is complaining now sounds like a f'n retard, because 10 days you were complaining for the exact opposite reasons. So now they're back in the game and your favorite console once again has competition and won't be considered the best through attrition...boo-f'n-hoo. They righted the Titanic BEFORE it struck the iceberg, which was the right thing to do.

      Yeah of course they did it for money but MS could drop their Xbox line altogether and would still be a multi-billion dollar corporation without it. The money they get from Xbox sales is just a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of their sales.

      And since when did Sony become the White Knight in the first place? Let's not forgot how they got in the game in the first place. Let's also not forget how they stayed in the game throughout the years. They have long since been vigilantes against piracy in their own right since the Playstation. I still remember all their anti-piracy warnings that came on all the original Playstation games. From beginning to end they have been a black mark on console gaming in general and people love them for it. It's like the woman who keeps going back to the husband that beats her. Just wait till the PS4 gets hacked and see how much people are going to love the Sony. Remember the YLOD, removal of otherOS, Geohotz lawsuit, raiding and jailing of Graf, PSN infiltration, Sony's support of SOPA(one of the largest supporters), the ban waves, and feature removals? Oh and there's the the fact that Sony started the patent the restricted used games. Lol...and they just bricked a shi+ ton of consoles on their latest update. If you don't know what that was about then you're just as naive as MS was when they followed suit.

      In the end it's fanboys faults that gaming is at where it is today. Does anybody really think some designers at Microsoft woke up one morning and thought to themselves, "let's f'k every single one of our core fans over while releasing the biggest flop of a console ever"? No, they didn't. They just followed all the consumer trends of what fans told them was acceptable. For everybody that willingly pays for DLC, Xbox Live, PSN, tb dongles, used gamestop games, a third different style of the same console, a third console after two previous YLOD's or two previous RROD's...congratulations, you're the ones that told them all these things were okay.

      In the meanwhile, Nintendo has kept their systems DRM free, kept online gaming free, didn't ban anybody for playing online with a modded console, and hasn't sued anybody or had their home raided for hacking their console. Yet, they're the most hated. I don't fk'n get it.
      This is why I may buy a Wii U down the road once there are a decent selection of games i want and also why it gets my goat that people are jumping on the xbox one/ ps4 bandwagons because they have to get their fix for games so bad they sell out to these companies by buying M$/PS4 consoles line of bullsh1t.

    62. ElSalvatore
      06-20-2013
      07:02 PM
      63

      Originally Posted by BobbyBangin
      CUT
      I couldn't agree more. That part about Sony being the ***** for a long time now is what I said a few times now in this thread. But nobody seemed to notice.

      All those "fanboys" or whatever they are who praise Sony and kiss their a*s now because "MS is such a ****ty company" will bite their own asses when Sony (and very likely MS too) will repead that **** from a few years and block something promised through a System-Update...

      If Nintendo had a few more good and AAA-Games I would be a full-blood Nintendo Fanboy!
      Just because Nintendo doesn't put their costumers through sh*t like $ony and M$!

      Just my 2 cents.

    63. Annelies
      06-20-2013
      08:01 PM
      64

      Originally Posted by BobbyBangin
      In the meanwhile, Nintendo has kept their systems DRM free, kept online gaming free, didn't ban anybody for playing online with a modded console, and hasn't sued anybody or had their home raided for hacking their console. Yet, they're the most hated. I don't fk'n get it.
      None of that stuff ever happened to me. Even when I had my 360 flagged, I wasn't banned from Xbox Live. Not only that but I've been online gaming for free for a very long time now. Plus I never got my home raided or sued. Those things do happen and are f'ked up and I feel bad for the victims but those are isolated incidents and it's not like it happens every day or something. As far as DRM goes, it depends on the game. I freaking LOVE SimCity. I cannot get enough of that game. Money well spent!

      As for Nintendo, when I had my Wii it seemed like the only game that worked properly online was Super Mario Kart-whatever-its-called. It didn't lag and honestly it was pretty fun. Then I tried Super Smash Bros. Brawl and it seems like it took forever to find a game as I stood their fighting the same practice dummy for ages. Then I wanted to try Animal Crossing but I remembered, to join somebody's game online I'd need to punch in their 9,000 digit friend code so I just said f'k it. Why am I even doing this?

      Nintendo (to my knowledge) doesn't encourage social interaction. Of course, they do encourage local/couch co-op and such, but their as far as their online infrastructure goes, it's so bare bones. Does the Wii U even have screen names yet or are people still using friend codes? Can people get into a chat room like the PS3 or cross-game chat like Xbox 360?

      Why does it seem like Nintendo simply does not care about these types of technological advances?

    64. BobbyBangin
      06-20-2013
      08:19 PM
      65

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      None of that stuff ever happened to me. Even when I had my 360 flagged, I wasn't banned from Xbox Live. Not only that but I've been online gaming for free for a very long time now. Plus I never got my home raided or sued. Those things do happen and are f'ked up and I feel bad for the victims but those are isolated incidents and it's not like it happens every day or something.
      We're all aware that there have more than a few people banned by both Mi�rosoft and $ony. We also know they happen both consistently and in massive waves. Hardly isolated incidents. They both have ridiculous TOS, but I find it ironic that Nintendo doesn't ban anybody even on a service that is free but those who pay to use MS and Sony are getting banned. The raiding I was talking about was more specifically with Graf. Of course, he would have never been raided like that here in the states but the fact that $ony had it done, over reverse engineering and not piracy-enabling of all things, makes it even more insane.

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      Why does it seem like Nintendo simply does not care about these types of technological advances?
      It seems like Nintendo only cares about the oddity of technological advances such as 3D which was demonstrated as early as the Virtual Boy and motion controls. They've never cared about the most powerful and highest end graphics. The only Wii games I played online were Mario Kart Wii, Black Ops, and Goldeneye. I can't speak for other games but those worked fine. On the Wii U you have Nintendo Network account which has a screen name/username. Mine is BobbyBangin. I don't really care for online gaming in general outside of the few games I've mentioned. On the Wii U my online experiences have run flawless, except for long loading times for Black Ops II. A lot of people made a big deal about Mario 3D for Wii U not enabling online multiplayer. I could care less about that. In fact, I think Nintendo doesn't seem to care about it because most the core fanbase doesn't care about it much like myself. It's the fans of onther consoles who want Nintendo to be like their favorite console who seem to throw the biggest fit about it. I never think of online gaming when it comes to first party Nintendo titles outside of Mario Kart.

    65. firepixiedarien
      06-20-2013
      10:26 PM
      66

      I'm pretty sure some of you know who Angry Joe is, but for those who don't, he's basically an Internet Journalist known for his "angry" loud-mouthed down-to-earth video reviews of video games.

      I always thought that the "Angry" part of him was just merely a persona, and that it was all an act, albeit a very good and entertaining act.

      That is, until I saw this video of him being granted an interview with Larry Hryb, aka "Major Nelson", who apparently oversees the work for the entire XBox LIVE division.

      http://youtu.be/6RtSGFryKwo?t=11m13s

      Angry Joe does not mince words, and in the end asked Major Nelson a very tough question regarding the One. The question would never in a million years even be considered by "regular" Journalists, since it comes from the perspective of a regular person instead of a neutral party.

      Basically, any questions that we, the player base, wants to ask, Journalists cannot ask for us since it's considered Professional Suicide.

      Angry Joe (who I thought was simply an entertainer) asked it, and Major Nelson took the mic away from him :/

    66. SeanP2500
      06-20-2013
      10:50 PM
      67

      the raiding and jailing of graf chokolo certainly a sore spot for me as linux user i think certain scene groups shoulda got the heat before him of all people and personally i think ruining anyones life over console hacking is terrible

      truth is as someone posted in some thread here or this one i cant remember while ms def set the precedent with the unauthorized reports to the servers in windows waaaay back sony and its rootkit stuff was totally crossing the line drm/trusted computing is basically the pits in my view wanna know irony...

      i love geometry wars on xbox 360 great game in my view heck i loved it back on xbox in project gotham anywho game was release in xbla with drm so like new 360 rrod right oh well sux for you need to go online to redownload yup you got your game yup its the whole game too but you dared change the broken console for a new one well better have online to get yo stuff back but heres the thing that kills me pretty sure i read somewhere the dev went out of business the kingdom of amular thing is also pretty absurd but that is a sidestory what really makes me bug out is that xbla was all hacked with yaris free toyota game

      thanks for posting the pastbin from ms engineer will make for interestig read i am sure the only bummer so far looks like we lost family share but maybe if we complain we can get it back

    67. GregoryRasputin
      06-21-2013
      01:45 AM
      68

      Originally Posted by SeanP2500
      the raiding and jailing of graf chokolo certainly a sore spot for me as linux user i think certain scene groups shoulda got the heat before him of all people and personally i think ruining anyones life over console hacking is terrible
      He wasn't jailed >.<

    68. BobbyBangin
      06-21-2013
      01:53 AM
      69

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      He wasn't jailed >.<
      I meant to add LulzSec in there. Somtimes I out think my typing and barely ever proof read. Was gonna fix it but I had already been quoted by the time I noticed.

    69. haz367
      06-21-2013
      02:32 AM
      70

      Originally Posted by BobbyBangin
      They both have ridiculous TOS
      haha true that....wich sane person is gonna read this novel?
      its crazy

    70. DaveOMac
      06-21-2013
      02:47 AM
      71

      Microshafts biggest mistake was to force this DRM cr[MENTION=93506]Pol[/MENTION]a down our throats and now they have done a 180 yes it is good news to some gamers but I have read a lot of comments from others that are more narked off with these new developments than they were before. What they should have done is give the consumer a choice, this mandatory update from day 1 should be optional, then it could please both groups either keep your new shoebox the way it was designed or get the update to make your console the same as the Xbox 360 (just with improved graphics but mandatory kinect so they can watch you in your pants) I read the m$ engineers response and yes he does make some valid points but one in particular just doesn't sit right with me. Its mainly the one about drm/second hand market/cheaper games. So M$ wanted to defeat the evil gamestop and give back more to the game developer? Righteous I suppose but in the current gen of consoles it doesn't work. We have a choice of digital download or disc based play at the mo, but thisis the bit I don't understand. The prices between both are different. Currently at the mo I can walk into game and pick up a copy of say bttlefield 3 (oldish title) for around �30 brand nw unopened but the same game digital download style is roughly �10ish MORE now I thught it would have been cheaper as they cut out the retailer but no so why the price hike or am I just being thick.

      Sent from my Radar C110e using Board Express

    71. r2rX
      06-21-2013
      03:30 PM
      72

      Their reputation has been affected, for sure. Despite this "turn-around", i'm still put off dealing with their ecosystem....i've always been apprehensive of MS (but have no choice but to use Windows...gaming. But that will change soon).

      Money, ladies and gentlemen....money. But that, too, will change....maybe not in our life time...but it will.

      Let's see what happens. They will be successful but it'll be at a price. How that manifests, let's see. But, as some have suggested, they might implement their nonsense after a decent number of machines are sold and have their game ecosystem integrated with their users....honestly, won't be suprised.....Sony could very well do so too.....

    72. GregoryRasputin
      06-21-2013
      03:36 PM
      73

      Now that Microsoft has announced that Xbox One consoles will not need to connect to the Internet once every 24 hours and that games can be shared or resold without restrictions, the Xbox One catapulted above both PS4 bundles and is now the top-selling item in Amazon’s video games category.
      http://bgr.com/2013/06/21/xbox-one-p...tion-4-amazon/

    73. Annelies
      06-21-2013
      04:15 PM
      74

      Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin
      http://bgr.com/2013/06/21/xbox-one-p...tion-4-amazon/
      Booooooooo.

    74. haz367
      06-21-2013
      04:48 PM
      75

      that changed quikly...people fall for it every time
      not saying its bad but my mind is made-up..PS4 ftw

    75. DEUS0x82
      06-21-2013
      05:20 PM
      76

      <~PS4+ & BF4 bundle, since most people I know will be playing it.

      I can't find anyone (close) that's wants a Xbox One, but they lead in pre-sales amazing.com.

    76. BobbyBangin
      06-21-2013
      06:35 PM
      77

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      Booooooooo.
      I don't know...I like having an American console as a major player on the market. At least until Atari is able to complete their separation from the structural financial encumbrances of their French parent holding company lol.

    77. crazelunatic
      06-21-2013
      07:35 PM
      78

      I wanna see gfx comparisons between the two before making my first decision and i think this is happening cause the ps3 pre-orders have been sold out if im not mistaken.... I guess people figured if we cant get our hands on a ps4 day one well shell out for a 360 on day 1

    78. malex
      06-22-2013
      11:36 AM
      79

      It's incredible just how selective some people's memories can be, and the crazy reasonings they will find to spin things to their favorite's toy benefit. How can one of these companies actually backtracking on their plans because of the big stink we raised be considered anything but a feking win?

      Originally Posted by some "smart" guy
      they didn't listen, they just did it for the money
      Yes because as we all know most console manufacturers want to exchange their equipment for love and happy feelings... specially sony.

      I tell you one thing, if sony had made this monumental fek-up you would all be happy, first because it's sony, and second because there is no way in feking hell sony would backtrack... oh yes unlike MS they have the balls to stick by their mistakes (how somebody that thinks like that reached their teen years is beyond me, or was that written sarcastically???).

      And to those worried about ms "sneaking" in the drm at a later point, all I can say is I hope you're not planning on buying a ps4, because if not for sony's bait n' switch tactics most of you wouldn't even consider it a possibility for that to happen. After owning a ps3 though, we were all taught that it can happen, hence why so many of you have these fears... I just hope you all realize who instilled that fear into you.

      Not to say that now ms is consumers' greatest friend, but they are no longer public enemy #1. They just need to do something about the kinect thing though... not that I would personally care much since I'm an exhibitionist


      Also [MENTION=109298]Annelies[/MENTION]
      "All that is required for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing" apathy is not cool, just saying.

    79. h82sk8
      06-23-2013
      10:53 AM
      80

      I've always been a PlayStation fan and never been a Xbox follower. It took a year or more before I purchased any of the Xbox consoles. I don't foresee an Xbox One purchase anywhere in my immediate future. Especially not after this DRM bull****. I have purchased all PlayStations on launch day though.

    80. devil hunter
      06-23-2013
      02:09 PM
      81

      Originally Posted by ElSalvatore
      LOL

      It's funny how everebody complains about MS planing to put that DRM-crap on the XBone in the first place. Don't you remember who came up with that DRM-sh*t in the first place?
      Sony did by applying for a patent.

      The only reason Sony didn't male the mistake to finally implement it was because they were waiting for MS' move.
      That's the reason they didn't show anything about the console back in Feb. but only the controller!
      Trust me, if MS hadn't gotten such bad feedback, Sony would have used their patented DRM-cr*p too!

      And who says that Sony won't implement their DRM-stuff in their PS4-OS but just don't activate it yet anyway?
      It seems to me that everybody's gotten their trust in Sony back just because they "keep" features that we've had since videogames existed.


      I'm afraid they'll try to pull the same sh*t they did with the PS3 and OtherOS.
      Why does it seem that I'm the only one with that fear...?
      you've got a point, BUT, OOS and DRM are total different things, you can still play games on a system even if you don't have oos, people bought ps3s mainly to be able to play some games, but then micro$oft is trying to be innovative, and help publishers over consumers and came out with this crap, also, it is true that sony made all drm stuff in first place when they implemented it on their music player (I thinkl),BUT consumers reacted and then sony changed their policies; unlike micro**** who didn't learn from others mistake.

    81. BobbyBangin
      06-23-2013
      02:23 PM
      82

      Originally Posted by devil hunter
      people bought ps3s mainly to be able to play some games,
      I'm guessing you don't remember how Sony advertised the PS3?

      "It was fully intended that you, a PS3 owner, could play games, watch movies, view photos, listen to music, and run a full-featured Linux operating system that transforms your PS3 into a home computer."

      Then they took away otherOS...
      Install Other OS 2006 - 2010 Tribute - YouTube

      Even the United States military purchased thousands of them to be used as computers. So yeah, lot's of people bought a PS3 for reasons other(OS) than playing games.

      Originally Posted by devil hunter
      but then micro$oft is trying to be innovative, and help publishers over consumers and came out with this crap, also, it is true that sony made all drm stuff in first place when they implemented it on their music player (I thinkl),BUT consumers reacted and then sony changed their policies; unlike micro**** who didn't learn from others mistake.
      Technically Mi�rosoft never made that mistake.

    82. devil hunter
      06-23-2013
      02:35 PM
      83

      Originally Posted by BobbyBangin
      I'm guessing you don't remember how Sony advertised the PS3?

      "It was fully intended that you, a PS3 owner, could play games, watch movies, view photos, listen to music, and run a full-featured Linux operating system that transforms your PS3 into a home computer."


      Technically Mi�rosoft never made that mistake.
      Yes, they didnt make any mistake; however, considering Microsoft is one biggest company, and stills cant make a definite decision, then dont expect consumers to support them, and to be honest, Microsoft repeated same mistakes over and over, they do in-fact make good products only and only if the consumer is raging at them (ME-->xp, vista--> 7, 8--> maybe never).

    83. Mackdanny
      06-24-2013
      08:02 AM
      84

      Microsoft is taking features away from windows.... starting with the start button.


      /troll

    84. Simonbuck
      06-24-2013
      09:30 AM
      85

      Some nice internal pictures.

      http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/...slideid-138507




    85. malex
      06-24-2013
      11:05 AM
      86

      Originally Posted by Mackdanny
      Microsoft is taking features away from windows.... starting with the start button.


      /troll
      You know what they need to do with whoever thought of that bright idea? strap him to a chair in the 50th floor of a building, put him near a window and release a pissed off Steve Ballmer on the floor.

    86. mrBear
      06-24-2013
      11:20 AM
      87

      This changes won't change my mind on buying a PS4 instead. There are still a few sticky issues with the XBone :-

      1. Its 100 USD more expensive
      2. It's got a lower end GPU compared to the PS4
      3. PS4 uses GDDR5, XB uses DDR3
      4. You can swap the PS4 HDD, XBone can't do that on this point

      And even more. The above alone makes the PS4 a more powerful machine for 100 US less. And not to mention M$ only introduced these changes after they got crushed at E3. They should have thought about the backlash from day one.

    87. LoboGuara
      06-24-2013
      11:34 AM
      88

      ^^ According to this way of thinking consoles should be extinct, after all they are technologically inferior to pcs.

      In my humble opinion, good games > Technology. I'll probably buy both consoles.

    88. Theeze
      06-24-2013
      11:55 AM
      89

      Originally Posted by mrBear
      This changes won't change my mind on buying a PS4 instead. There are still a few sticky issues with the XBone :-

      1. Its 100 USD more expensive (It's bundled with a camera and a year's subscription of XBL from what I've heard)

      2. It's got a lower end GPU compared to the PS4

      3. PS4 uses DDR5, XB uses DDR3 (First of all there's no such thing as DDR5, It's GDDR5 and it's graphics memory even though it's faster at handling huge amounts of data, It's latency is much much higher than DDR3. Xbox one makes up for it with it's large 32mb cache pool)

      4. You can swap the PS4 HDD, XBone can't do that on this point

      And even more. The above alone makes the PS4 a more powerful machine for 100 US less. And not to mention M$ only introduced these changes after they got crushed at E3. They should have thought about the backlash from day one.
      DDR3 has direct access to the cpu and is much lower in latency and power efficiency. Since both have a paywall for online, I'd say XBL is the better service and this is coming from someone who's used both extensively, I have no doubt it'll be the case next gen.

    89. Annelies
      06-24-2013
      12:07 PM
      90

      Originally Posted by mrBear
      This changes won't change my mind on buying a PS4 instead. There are still a few sticky issues with the XBone :-

      1. Its 100 USD more expensive
      2. It's got a lower end GPU compared to the PS4
      3. PS4 uses DDR5, XB uses DDR3
      4. You can swap the PS4 HDD, XBone can't do that on this point

      And even more. The above alone makes the PS4 a more powerful machine for 100 US less. And not to mention M$ only introduced these changes after they got crushed at E3. They should have thought about the backlash from day one.
      You should just get a PC then.

      At the end of the day, LoboGuara is right, we are gamers and all we want at the end of the day are good games to play. I am still trying to get my hands on another PS3 just for WWE 2K14.

    90. BobbyBangin
      06-24-2013
      01:01 PM
      91

      Originally Posted by Mackdanny
      Microsoft is taking features away from windows.... starting with the start button.


      /troll
      Luckily for you Windows 8.1 is coming out in two days and you'll have your start button back

    91. stuck?
      06-24-2013
      01:26 PM
      92

      Originally Posted by SeanP2500
      stuck your a conspiracy theorist go drink some tapwater it will fix that problem...jk
      Tapwater isn't the problem; or maybe it is, I drink it every day....

      In all seriousness though, I don't think I'm far off with what I say. With the amount of data mining that people are doing these days, that type of stuff I mentioned is a valuable resource.

      All kinds of various direct and indirect marketing can arise from the data collected regarding seemingly innocent activities.

    92. kokotas
      06-24-2013
      01:49 PM
      93

      Originally Posted by BobbyBangin
      Luckily for you Windows 8.1 is coming out in two days and you'll have your start button back
      Could be wrong but... start button ≠ start menu

    93. Simonbuck
      06-24-2013
      01:59 PM
      94

      Originally Posted by BobbyBangin
      Luckily for you Windows 8.1 is coming out in two days and you'll have your start button back
      been using start button for months


      http://www.classicshell.net/

    94. GregoryRasputin
      06-24-2013
      02:07 PM
      95

      Originally Posted by Simonbuck
      been using start button for months


      http://www.classicshell.net/
      That's the one I use and wont be changing from it after the update.

    95. Perez1986
      06-24-2013
      06:36 PM
      96

      I haven't even bothered trying Windows 8. Is it worth upgrading from Windows 7?

    96. BobbyBangin
      06-24-2013
      08:29 PM
      97

      Originally Posted by babytuti
      I haven't even bothered trying Windows 8. Is it worth upgrading from Windows 7?
      I dual boot both Windows 7 and 8. I hated Windows 8 at first, but now think I prefer it. Plus I don't have the driver problems with 8 that I have with Win7. But that's just me. Another plus I like about Windows 8 is that it supports DirectX 11.1 while Win7 only partially supports DirectX 11.1 and only if you meet certain requirements.

    97. Perez1986
      06-24-2013
      09:15 PM
      98

      Thanks. I think i'll buy a copy of Windows 8 one of these days. Mostly because Windows 8 supports Directx 11.1 like you said. Better visuals in games is definitely a plus for me.

    98. saxile
      06-24-2013
      09:25 PM
      99

      Windows 8 seems to load and shut down faster to me too, and I'm not using an SSD yet

    99. DEUS0x82
      06-24-2013
      10:14 PM
      100

      Win8+touch-screen+tablet or Android for the light end-user.

      <I didn't read all post, nor am I following any Xbox One info>

      It appears that they got rid of the family sharing plan, 10 members and/or how ever that works. Maybe, this is important to someone? I don't know much about it, or how it is applies to disc and downloaded content?

    100. mrBear
      06-25-2013
      06:25 AM
      101

      Originally Posted by Annelies
      You should just get a PC then.

      At the end of the day, LoboGuara is right, we are gamers and all we want at the end of the day are good games to play. I am still trying to get my hands on another PS3 just for WWE 2K14.
      I actually agree with you since I do have a gaming laptop. But unfortunately some exclusives never makes it to PC from the PS world. I do enjoy playing with a controller now and then as well, I even had to adjust my habits on PC and get a Logitech G13 since I just can't play WASD
      ************* [ - Post Merged - ] *************
      Originally Posted by Theeze
      DDR3 has direct access to the cpu and is much lower in latency and power efficiency. Since both have a paywall for online, I'd say XBL is the better service and this is coming from someone who's used both extensively, I have no doubt it'll be the case next gen.
      Not so cut and dry with GDDR5 mate. Yes, GDDR5 is not good for normal PCs due to latency, but it can do a read and write in one clock cycle. That is ideal for VRAM with lots of processing units that can proceed if one is stalled. So if the games on consoles are more GPU intensive, this will be a benefit. I believe both the consoles uses a unified memory model, so the GDDR5 is used by both the OS and the GPU (Correct me if I am wrong). In that case, if the GPU uses more of the RAM, there will be a real benefit. Normal PCs won't benefit for processing of background tasks etc with GDDR5, but a game that is GPU intensive will definately benefit from it.

      Saying this, 90% of the games unfortunately are based on a game dev tool, and they rely on the provider (Unreal, Unity, Crytek etc) to optimize their engine. Unfortunately if the developer start using the scripting language of the tool too intensively, the optimization might be in vein. Only a select few buy source licenses and optimize themselves. So some games might not benefit from the GDDR5 by processing in the CPU rather than the GPU.