• Featured, General, Uncategorized , 27.08.2014

     

    Today (or yesterday) Sony said yet again: “Hey guys, we know about your ODE device” with a new optional update 4.65.
    Though is not mandatory, probably is just an omen of what’s to come.

    A little background story:

    ODE devices appeared out of the blue, 3 companies, 3 similar products of different quality but with a common goal.
    Fill those demanding consumers libido, handed in silver plate with a nice price tag on it: Also, letting those to play online without being spotted so easy.
    With a huge plus that this device works with “Unhackeables” models = 3K and 4K series.

    The ones who made this possible, just created a new *breed* of consumers. Clearly this is not a stupid strategy but a well executed one.
    Covering a huge range of people who doesn’t want to read nor wait anymore for something else.

    Lesser evil:

    I still consider this devices a lesser evil in this situation. So far in almost 2 years, many people got bored with playing the *waiting game*.
    While PS3 scene made progress and there are many people making contributions to keep it alive, ODDe’s managed to silent those annoying voices.
    But also managed to piss off other people who don’t like the idea of emulation and want a free solution to all this.

    Creators of this devices, could care less of those opinions. After all people still buy them, not using a morality scale while getting them at expensive prices.

    We use our morals, each time we purchase something?:

    A good question with a nice analogy.

    Picture yourself entering into Puma or Adidas store, just to buy a pair of jeans.
    First thing you will probably do, is check the price, size and color and if those jeans will look nice on you.
    If you are satisfied with that, you will probably buy it and continue with your daily routine.

    But wait…You made a background check BEFORE making that purchase about those two brands?.
    I guess if you have an internet connection, you will know about the “Dassler Brothers”.

    Even knowing about “Dassler brothers”, people will buy those jeans. Why?, because as consumers they need to fulfil their needs.
    And if the product is good enough, who the fu$@! care about if those brands had a shady past?.
    You need a new pair of jeans, you buy them end of this history.

    Same modus operandi each time we have to buy something. Clearly we don’t use a strict moral code, we don’t need it.
    Otherwise will we have to go to a party/work or whatever, naked.

    Let’s apply the same example to what happen with ODE too:

    1) Do consumers care where it came from?.

    Clearly not, if the product works and those features promised are there are more than enough.
    They don’t have to struggle if CFW is 10 better and is FREE.

    As long as the device work, nobody will bitch about it.
    Let’s get back to the topic :P

    CFW and ODE: Getting online.

    I use my PS3 with CFW OFFLINE and the other with OFW ONLINE. Many of us got tired of make the same reply over and over again about the risks of going online with a modified system.
    Which clearly (not the first time we said this nor the last) you are breaking Sony’s TOS.
    You’ve read that TOS?, i didn’t. I just use common sense, if my system was modified i will keep it offline at all costs.

    Many CFW users will continue to go online, no matter what; without knowing nor caring about WHO founded Sony. Do they need that data?, nope.
    If you buy a console is to play with it not to get morally conflicted by their policies.

    Yeah, restrictions could by a pain in the arse. But hey, those are the *game rules*. You bought something that if you read carefully, it’s not even yours.

    With that in mind, indiscriminate and reckless people will continue to ruin online experience.
    After all you don’t need to pay a monthly fee for a subscription to play online. Just get the game, buy some *hacks* and ruin others experience.

    ODE users as CFW users, do the same when comes to playing online.
    With CFW which is free, going online is not something new. When ODDE’s appeared for the first time, that big promise was to get online without getting spotted.
    Meaning less chances of getting hammered faster than blackwidow’s signature move.
    So probably while you were in PSN, you played against other ODE and CFW users countless times.

    Did you noticed?, could you spot the difference?. Furthermore could you tell which one which was clearly cheating was on CFW and which one was with an ODE?.
    I guess not.

    PSN will remain free for PS3 users?:

    Due to what i mentioned above, countless of ilegal *aliens* accessing to a network where you don’t have to pay unless you want PLUS.
    Chances are that Sony probably will get tired of this shi! anytime soon and close it and make an imperative subscription to use their services.
    Pretty much like PS4.

    Someone who is paying a monthly subscription, i highly doubt it that will jeopardize his account to cheat. Though i won’t discard this idea.
    Reckless people make online experience terrible and if they are capable of pay for hacks, i guess they won’t have any *moral issue* while doing that.

    ODE, kill confirmed?:

    Pretty much i covered most i wanted to say and it’s not a rant per se, but more a point of view which you could agree with or not.
    I’m sure that they will block ODE from PSN. This 4.65 optional update was an not-so-encoded message alerting that they watch the traffic on their own network.
    Is just a formal *salute to those ODE users*.

    When the next update comes out, they will try for the third or 4th time to shorten ODE’s lifespan.
    Many people using this device didn’t got caught while going online, until 4.60 update and this one forced them to make some changes.
    But, IF the product keeps a fail ratio high enough and their consumers start to whine about not working properly.
    ODE companies will have to make a decision, like happened with TB (trueblue) back in time.

    Cease official support, cease manufacture process and hide for some months or years until they have something more to make business with.

    I guess if we see the ODE getting fully blocked, another device will replace it. If they don’t find a workround.
    As you may notice, people hating this devices and wanting free solutions those opinions and huge stances against them, Do NOT create awareness. Quite the contrary, more your bash something.
    More interesting it gets for many. I guess is human nature, as curiosity killed the cat; some managed to skin it before that to happen.

    So signal the sirens and rally the troops. Because next time, we might face another thing we probably don’t like.
    No surprises though, happened several times and will continue to happen while we have more and more *uneducated* guests.

    With the Lesser evil gone, is the devils’ feast ;)

    Regards.

    Hellsing9

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  • 57 Comments

    1. willemse21
      08-27-2014
      01:30 AM
      1

      best news of the day

    2. tjhooker73
      08-27-2014
      01:50 AM
      2

      No one actually knows if it killed them yet. Everyone Is just assuming the worst/best.
      Cobra hasn't even released their fix yet. And I haven't seen anyone saying that their ode doesn't work.
      It has the same fix that 4.60 has.

    3. LoverboySimer
      08-27-2014
      01:59 AM
      3

      ode's are like skinny jeans, you can't even put your balls in there...
      but on the other hand cfw is like pajamas, so comfy that u can even masturbate in it......

      Still don't believe?, ask Sony....

    4. Cheesethief
      08-27-2014
      02:08 AM
      4

      [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] they can't charge money for PS3 PSN. They can't do it because it was one of their marketing points. They clearly stated that PSN would always be free on the PS3. This is why they only introduced/made PS+ almost mandatory on the PS4.

      Sent from my Nexus⁴ via Tapatalk

    5. hellsing9
      08-27-2014
      02:10 AM
      5

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] they can't charge money for PS3 PSN. They can't do it because it was one of their marketing points. They clearly stated that PSN would always be free on the PS3. This is why they only introduced/made PS+ almost mandatory on the PS4.

      Sent from my Nexus⁴ via Tapatalk
      And leave their network as it is?, i doubt it.
      You know sony and their policies, changes as the time passes.
      Probably when they stop making PS3 games (or left the console for dead) and there you got a perfect excuse to shutdown free access and make mandatory as well with another plan in sight.

    6. STLcardsWS
      08-27-2014
      02:23 AM
      6

      Sorry but Optional update doesnt kill **** lol

      let me direct you to a post by [MENTION=218018]joo[/MENTION]nie that dug into this firmware
      link

    7. hellsing9
      08-27-2014
      02:25 AM
      7

      Originally Posted by STLcardsWS
      Sorry but Optional update doesnt kill **** lol
      I know.
      In this article i didn't state that the optional could kill ODDE but a future update could do it.

      Besides the article title is = "ODDE, Kill confirmed?".
      No near a kill, just Sony waving back at ODDE's. At this rate they could care less, but one never knows.

    8. Kalberto
      08-27-2014
      02:26 AM
      8

      hopely, OFW 4.65 was not effected to CFW's user......for using bd on it.

    9. STLcardsWS
      08-27-2014
      02:28 AM
      9

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      I know.
      In this article i didn't state that the optional could kill ODDE but a future update could do it.

      Besides the article title is = "ODDE, Kill confirmed?".
      No near a kill, just Sony waving back at ODDE's. At this rate they could care less, but one never knows.
      Well i read the title wrong there my bad (sleepy haaha late here)

      but this HAS ZERO to do with ODDEs that why all this fuss and ODE talk about this update is SO funny to me.
      Just look at the link i put in my edit above.

    10. hellsing9
      08-27-2014
      02:30 AM
      10

      Originally Posted by STLcardsWS
      Well i read the title wrong there my bad, but this HAS ZERO to do with ODDEs that why all this fuss and ODE talk about this update is SO funny to me.
      Just look at the link i put in my edit above.
      Already read about [MENTION=240603]Joonie86[/MENTION] on maxconsole.

      http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php...l=1#post790504

    11. Cheesethief
      08-27-2014
      02:30 AM
      11

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      And leave their network as it is?, i doubt it.
      You know sony and their policies, changes as the time passes.
      Probably when they stop making PS3 games (or left the console for dead) and there you got a perfect excuse to shutdown free access and make mandatory as well with another plan in sight.
      Either they discontinue PSN on PS3 come 2016, or it will remain free till they decide to stop supporting the PS3. They will get sued if they charge money because it was touted as a free service for the lifetime of the console. The lifetime ends come November 2016 unless they extend it like they did for the PS2.

      So in all likelihood, nothing will change until they shutdown PS3's PSN access for good.

      Sent from my Nexus⁴ via Tapatalk

    12. STLcardsWS
      08-27-2014
      02:31 AM
      12

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      Already read about [MENTION=240603]Joonie86[/MENTION] on maxconsole.

      http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php...l=1#post790201
      different post

    13. OoZic
      08-27-2014
      02:34 AM
      13

      As soon as the ODE's get blocked I think we will see a patch that will help install CFW on the PS3's with an ODE..... This was IMHO possible from the beginning but the money-hungry "hackers" blocked this possibility with crappy DRM....

    14. hellsing9
      08-27-2014
      02:36 AM
      14

      Originally Posted by STLcardsWS
      different post
      http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php...l=1#post790504

      Watching different things and posted the wrong one, i checked that source among many others early this morning. (Maxconsole)

    15. WalangAlam
      08-27-2014
      02:49 AM
      15

      Hope cfw will be possible for 3k and 4k. These odde are expensive and keep on getting blocked. CFW for 3k and 4k please...

    16. Cypherous
      08-27-2014
      02:53 AM
      16

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] they can't charge money for PS3 PSN. They can't do it because it was one of their marketing points. They clearly stated that PSN would always be free on the PS3. This is why they only introduced/made PS+ almost mandatory on the PS4.

      Sent from my Nexus⁴ via Tapatalk
      So was OtherOS, that didn't stop them then either :P

    17. hellsing9
      08-27-2014
      02:56 AM
      17

      Originally Posted by WalangAlam
      Hope cfw will be possible for 3k and 4k. These odde are expensive and keep on getting blocked. CFW for 3k and 4k please...
      I doubt it. Expensive or not, people continue to buy (support) those. I don't blame them though, each one is free to do whatever he/she wants with their money.

    18. Smhabib
      08-27-2014
      06:45 AM
      18

      Runtime Secure Boot Hardware based Cell Hardware Based no no Verification of images loaded into isolated SPE no
      http://www.ps3devwiki.com/ps3/Boot_Order
      If exploited, it would do the work for all ps3s but wont be easy i guess.....
      Still hardware based....

    19. passete
      08-27-2014
      07:07 AM
      19

      This is Purely BS !
      Good for people that like to read "sensational news", but nothing related to the truth !

    20. hellsing9
      08-27-2014
      07:37 AM
      20

      Originally Posted by passete
      This is Purely BS !
      Good for people that like to read "sensational news", but nothing related to the truth !
      And the truth is?.

    21. kristijan1001
      08-27-2014
      07:39 AM
      21

      What does this site has so much against ODE devices LOL ,Because they are making money ? let them make they've put sweat in to it,this is just funny to me lol,also even if sony makes online for ps3 with psplus(which will never happen) we will still be able to go online by faking psplus ,just like u can do on the xbox.....

    22. hellsing9
      08-27-2014
      07:47 AM
      22

      Originally Posted by kristijan1001
      What does this site has so much against ODE devices LOL ,Because they are making money ? let them make they've put sweat in to it,this is just funny to me lol,also even if sony makes online for ps3 with psplus(which will never happen) we will still be able to go online by faking psplus ,just like u can do on the xbox.....


      Never say never.

    23. passete
      08-27-2014
      07:52 AM
      23

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      And the truth is?.
      Ode are not blocked with 4.65 !
      Contrary to the sensational statement of the Thread, this kind of thread is good for entertainment, but not for "informed" ones.
      Ohh well, let's read more nonsense replys from ignorant, I do like it !

    24. hellsing9
      08-27-2014
      07:56 AM
      24

      Originally Posted by passete
      Ode are not blocked with 4.65 !
      Contrary to the sensational statement of the Thread, this kind of thread is good for entertainment, but not for "informed" ones.
      Ohh well, let's read more nonsense replys from ignorant, I do like it !
      In what part of my article says: "ODE is blocked with optional update 4.65?" or "ODE is currently blocked?".

    25. passete
      08-27-2014
      07:57 AM
      25

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      In what part of my article says: "ODE is blocked with optional update 4.65?" or "ODE is currently blocked?".
      OK, you are right !
      ODE is BS, people don't buy ODE's !

    26. hellsing9
      08-27-2014
      07:59 AM
      26

      Originally Posted by passete
      OK, you are right !
      ODE is BS, people don't buy ODE's !
      Where i've said that ODE's are BS?.
      You didn't read, and you are voicing your opinion out of your ****ing ass.
      Which i respect, even if i don't agree with you.

      It's not a matter of being right or wrong with this one. It's an observation about *Could happen* and a quick recap.
      Never said that ODE is currently blocked and never said to anyone to not buy an ODE device if they have a 4K series.

      I will quote myself:

      When the next update comes out, they will try for the third or 4th time to shorten ODE's lifespan.
      Many people using this device didn't got caught while going online, until 4.60 update and this one forced them to make some changes.
      But, IF the product keeps a fail ratio high enough and their consumers start to whine about not working properly.
      ODE companies will have to make a decision, like happened with TB (trueblue) back in time.


      Cease official support, cease manufacture process and hide for some months or years until they have something more to make business with.

      I guess if we see the ODE getting fully blocked, another device will replace it. If they don't find a workaround.

    27. zecoxao
      08-27-2014
      08:17 AM
      27

      if it's not ODDE patches, they're probably lv2 and lv1 patches to prevent exploits from happening. needless to say nobody is going through that route so who the **** cares

    28. will23
      08-27-2014
      10:04 AM
      28

      we shouldn't care that much about odde.
      They are just a small part of PS3 universe. Most of us are using a CFW, so we never go on-line, then why worry about them?
      Even if we have a OFW PS3 to play on-line, i don't think it's very common that we find a player with an odde, and my friends that regularly play on-line uses to meet friends and usually other regular players, that are legit players.

      We are moving to PS4 world, so a new OFW for PS3 is not that important.

    29. manster
      08-27-2014
      10:21 AM
      29

      I don't get it.

    30. haz367
      08-27-2014
      10:33 AM
      30

      Originally Posted by manster
      I don't get it.
      me neither, is it ODE or ODDE?
      that hellsing9postsucks retard guy..how old are u...u can't handle it?
      nxt time ur looking for a nick, name it droeftoeter

    31. Cheesethief
      08-27-2014
      10:39 AM
      31

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      In what part of my article says: "ODE is blocked with optional update 4.65?" or "ODE is currently blocked?".
      Your title heavily implies that 4.65 has made ODDEs useless. When I say heavily implies, I mean it outright says they're dead on 4.65. That is very misleading.

      Sent from my Nexus⁴ via Tapatalk

    32. DebugBrain
      08-27-2014
      10:45 AM
      32

      Originally Posted by will23
      we shouldn't care that much about odde.
      They are just a small part of PS3 universe. Most of us are using a CFW, so we never go on-line, then why worry about them?
      Even if we have a OFW PS3 to play on-line, i don't think it's very common that we find a player with an odde, and my friends that regularly play on-line uses to meet friends and usually other regular players, that are legit players.

      We are moving to PS4 world, so a new OFW for PS3 is not that important.
      Why do you say that those who use a CFW should not go online?
      Once again, you make speeches being very far from reality,
      Today more than ever, thanks to the free IDPS, many users of CFW playing online, and many of those who do, they use cheats.
      I do not know what are the exact percentages, but what is certain is that even if these are few are enough to ruin the game for everyone,
      then you are right in saying that we should not worry to users ODDE, they are just a sony's problem.

      ODDE?... Ops... ODE sorry xD

    33. manster
      08-27-2014
      10:50 AM
      33

      Originally Posted by haz367
      me neither, is it ODE or ODDE?
      that hellsing9postsucks retard guy..how old are u...u can't handle it?
      nxt time ur looking for a nick, name it droeftoeter
      Now I'm even more confused.

    34. DebugBrain
      08-27-2014
      11:00 AM
      34

      Originally Posted by Cheesethief
      Your title heavily implies that 4.65 has made ODDEs useless. When I say heavily implies, I mean it outright says they're dead on 4.65. That is very misleading.

      Sent from my Nexus⁴ via Tapatalk
      No, I believe that the title, as it has been written, doing curious the people, but then just read to understand that it is only a guess in the event of the issuance of a mandatory OFW, unless one is a little stupid.

    35. hellsing9
      08-27-2014
      11:47 AM
      35

      Originally Posted by haz367
      me neither, is it ODE or ODDE?
      that hellsing9postsucks retard guy..how old are u...u can't handle it?
      nxt time ur looking for a nick, name it droeftoeter
      Optical Disk Drive Emulation = ODDE.

      ====================

      If my article sucks so much, wonder why someone will waste his precious time to:

      1) Create an account.
      2) Try to mock me.

      Wow, seems that i'm very important for that *special* one. lol.

      =============================
      [MENTION=200937]Cheesethief[/MENTION] "ODDE, kill confirmed?" = Far from a confirmation, you will notice by reading the article. Is a question mark, not an imperative way to say it. (So to speak).

      =============================

    36. DEFAULTDNB
      08-27-2014
      12:05 PM
      36

      I would love ODEs to die a death.

      Perhaps if they do, their source code will be released and further the scene for "unhackables"...

      Quick question: If the new irisman supports 4.65 with mamba payload.. Where is cfw 4.65?
      [MENTION=272323]Smhabib[/MENTION] [MENTION=240603]Joonie86[/MENTION]? :P

    37. haz367
      08-27-2014
      02:07 PM
      37

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      Optical Disk Drive Emulation = ODDE.

      ====================

      If my article sucks so much, wonder why someone will waste his precious time to:

      1) Create an account.
      2) Try to mock me.

      Wow, seems that i'm very important for that *special* one. lol.
      he's kinda special alright, he must have some sand in his vagina
      and 465 is already made, but we wait on ferrox etc..it's taking a little longer atm, btw, is it CFW or MFW? damn all the confusion
      :P

    38. hellsing9
      08-27-2014
      02:09 PM
      38

      Originally Posted by haz367
      he's kinda special alright, he must have some sand in his vagina
      and 465 is already made, but we wait on ferrox etc..it's taking a little longer atm, btw, is it CFW or MFW? damn all the confusion
      :P
      That kinda of *Spezial* lol.

      If 465 is already made...then it's MFW, i think. I'm confused too.

    39. haz367
      08-27-2014
      02:23 PM
      39

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      That kinda of *Spezial* lol.
      yeah i know, it's kinda rare...must feel good to be extraspecial
      i'm confused to, custom or modified..it's not easy..let's stick with MFW for basic..and MLT,ITA,Cobracrap range it's CFW, not sure if it makes sense
      atleast that's what the confused smiley told me



      and jackie agrees to

    40. BobbyBangin
      08-27-2014
      02:39 PM
      40

      Lol... @hellsing9 it seems you have ruffled the feathers of some OD(D)E lovers.

      It's an editorial people, which means it's just as much opinion, if not more, than fact.

      I've never understood when people complain about reading something they didn't have to. Half of which were a rush to judgement, without taking time to read it.

      I liked the article and the accompanying graphics.

    41. hellsing9
      08-27-2014
      02:50 PM
      41

      Originally Posted by BobbyBangin
      Lol... [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] it seems you have ruffled the feathers of some OD(D)E lovers.

      It's an editorial people.

      I've never understood when people complain about reading something they didn't have to. Half of which were a rush to judgement, without taking time to read it.

      I liked the article and the accompanying graphics.
      Those negative comments don't hold me back. Quite the contrary, those are the fuel to make more articles since late 2011 (i think).
      Not the first time writing news, not the last time. Until someone decides to pull the switch.
      If someone read between lines or actually read the article, i'm not bashing ODE's nor praising them so most so far that i've read are quick assumptions and probably some commentary about my english grammar. (same old punchline). lol

      But well, **** happens and i got used to it

    42. kumikochan
      08-27-2014
      02:58 PM
      42

      Sometimes on hax a person can enjoy themselves with a good bag of chips or popcorn and enjoy reading up on some good old drama, way better then the drama they show on tv these days !

    43. hellsing9
      08-27-2014
      03:05 PM
      43

    44. BobbyBangin
      08-27-2014
      03:58 PM
      44

      Sony has made updates to kill ODDE's before, so it's not like this is suddenly such a farfetched conclusion to reach. I'm sure it will happen again.

    45. pustal
      08-27-2014
      04:09 PM
      45

      I really never had close contact with ODDEs, so please correct me if I'm wrong (I mean it, please do), but has far as I understand they emulate a BD, tricking the system into thinking there is a real, original PS disk in the drive. It's not a proper (or improper) jailbreak as it was marketed, but hackishly can run homebrew to some extent. Nevertheless, seems a tool with the sole purpose of running games.

      With that being said why do some of you guys hate it so much? (I'm really asking, no criticizing here). I mean, they are crazy expensive, for their price I can buy a used, downgraded/CFW console, I'd never use them as they are, but I really don't see why to be against them, specially to the point of wanting them gone. I mean, I can see the point of them being used mostly solely to run downloaded games, but some 90% or more of people using CFW do it and the scene doesn't judge them. Also, most scene developers worked with and for CFW the whole time.

    46. BobbyBangin
      08-27-2014
      04:17 PM
      46

      Originally Posted by pustal
      With that being said why do some of you guys hate it so much?
      I think people only hate those that are unnecessary, such as tb dongles other devices that we found out in retrospect weren't necessary. When a method can be released for free, it should be. But, some people would prefer to handcuff the scene and release of information by charging for exploits, so they put them in a device with their own restrictions. All this is hypocritical, because the info was stolen from Sony in the first place. Other times, devs will steal another dev's work that was released for free and charge for that too. Now, instances, such as 3k and 4k model PS3's, ODDE's seem to be necessary evil, for now. When the dongles were the only method to play backups, that was a bad deal, because it wasn't necessary to handcuff the scene like that. They capitalized on people's ignorance and apathy. Having said that, I do feel people have the right to buy what they want and sell what they want, within reason. You just won't find me supporting them, except when they're necessary.

    47. pustal
      08-27-2014
      04:42 PM
      47

      Originally Posted by BobbyBangin
      They capitalized on people's ignorance and apathy.
      I'd say that this pretty much summarizes half of the world market in a nutshell xD TB should relabel their dongles "gluten free" and re-release them on the market.

    48. Joonie86
      08-27-2014
      04:48 PM
      48

      [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] [MENTION=138171]haz367[/MENTION] [MENTION=200136]BobbyBangin[/MENTION] [MENTION=224021]DEFAULTDNB[/MENTION]

      I kindly want to ask opinions about the differences between Custom FirmWare and Modified FirmWare,

      if MFWBuilder was being used then is it called MFW? Is that what you guys have been discussing?

      So, If I manually patch with hexeditor CoreOS's LV0 including 4 ldrs and other self/sprx files inside dev_flash and manually repack those dev_flash pkgs and coreos pkgs by using

      Puppack, unpkg,pkg,self rebuilder ISO rebuilder made by senior developers, does that still count as MFW because I have used their tool but not my own?

      All the keys stayed the same since 4.21 and all the work has been studied and finished and those are all up in PS3DEVWiki, and now we have working MFWBuilder that can make any versions of MFW

      within 3 mins, so no more true CFW?

      My friend [MENTION=180398]darkjiros[/MENTION] made me 4.65CFW on the day SONY released their OFW 4.65 Update then I immediately started working on payloads and it was done very quick because system call table was the same as OFW 4.60 just like any other optional update [like 4.40-4.41].

      I am not really interested in releasing newer firmware or gaining fame because it is just the same thing repeated over and over and nothing interesting but the different version number.

      unless there is like anti-ode fix made by [MENTION=272323]Smhabib[/MENTION] or the new project regarding full fix of Cinavia.

      Plus I do NOT like any drama at all, I just do thing as hobby and keep learning new things everyday, learning experience is very fun

      Finally, my recent work was possible because of all the hard dedications/contributions of TRUE senior developers, and I am currently looking for all possible credibility of them.

      PS3HAX is where I started my ps3 scene life, and I have learned a lot but also watched a lot of drama, and I am scared to voice my concerns sometimes just because of that.

      I would like to help people as much as I could if my time allows and hopefully PS4HAX will be much better world and expect to see the return of true senior developers

    49. BobbyBangin
      08-27-2014
      05:15 PM
      49

      I agree with you [MENTION=240603]Joonie86[/MENTION] the drama sucks, but it's much better than before. There's several reasons for that and one of them is that there is nothing new going on. When the PS4 and Xbox One gets hacked, there will tons of excitement and tons of drama. If it were my work, I would just do what I do and not worry about anything going on around me. The best devs generally stick to themselves.

      Personally, I do care if somebody releases something for their own fame or because they love their work. While the latter is more admirable, I'm just glad they released it. The scene is a very hypocritical place, yet full or morality police. People will support one thing, but condemn another. Do what YOU think is right. I don't even think Pauline leaked Rogero's for attention or whatever measure of internet fame that gains you. I think he honestly thought he was doing the right thing.I don't think it's any secret that I am a freedom of information guy, so I like to see things get released. I don't worry about why they were released. It's pure speculation and judgement of motives anyway. I don't want that burden. There's always gonna be trolls, so you can't worry about the negative, but you should accept the constructive criticism. MFW or CFW is all a matter of preference and is subjective to who you ask. Again, I appreicate ALL releases. You never know what one might lead to.

      As far as the credibility issue goes, that would be something you should speak with the devs in private about. One may not mind you to thank them, but I know a few that don't want their name associated at all.

    50. DEFAULTDNB
      08-27-2014
      05:48 PM
      50

      IMHO mfw is simple mods to OFW to make it "modded" OFW, nothing unique added.

      CFW is adding new features, or customising it not generically (again: my opinion)
      [MENTION=240603]Joonie86[/MENTION]'s your work has been amazing to date, so much contribution, and time and effort!

      I hate drama. Just do that you think is best, and know that the majoirty are thankful for your skills.

      We don't take you or any devs for granted.

    51. WalangAlam
      08-27-2014
      06:50 PM
      51

      Anybody working on CFW for 3K and 4K? or they lost interest?

      I somebody will work on it like this guy

      modrobert: After releasing 3k3y firmware v2.11 beta (with OFW 4.55 support) and losing interest in the ODE "cat & mouse" game with Sony (OFW 4.60 and 4.65), I have spent the past few weeks researching and dumping raw data in an ongoing project to extract lv0.2 keys via bootldr.

      What is required to install CFW on PS3 Super Slim (4k)?
      http://www.eurasia.nu/modules.php?na...=7266&forum=87

    52. pustal
      08-27-2014
      07:00 PM
      52

      Originally Posted by WalangAlam
      Anybody working on CFW for 3K and 4K? or they lost interest?

      I somebody will work on it like this guy



      http://www.eurasia.nu/modules.php?na...=7266&forum=87
      I'm sure there are more people trying to find some exploit to get keys but it's not only smartness but luck you need. Like the guy says, chances are slim.

    53. LoboGuara
      08-27-2014
      07:40 PM
      53

      Originally Posted by BobbyBangin
      (...)I don't even think Pauline leaked Rogero's for attention or whatever measure of internet fame that gains you. I think he honestly thought he was doing the right thing.I don't think it's any secret that I am a freedom of information guy, so I like to see things get released. I don't worry about why they were released. It's pure speculation and judgement of motives anyway. I don't want that burden. There's always gonna be trolls, so you can't worry about the negative, but you should accept the constructive criticism. MFW or CFW is all a matter of preference and is subjective to who you ask. Again, I appreicate ALL releases. You never know what one might lead to. (...)

      I disagree because is not that simple.

      This is not only a matter of moral and different points of view (we can relativize anything using some creativity), but it is also a matter of respect.

      Im not saying that leaking stuff is right or wrong, just that there are more variables to be analyzed than simple morals and fame (cause/effect, trust, demotivating devs etc).

    54. haz367
      08-27-2014
      07:50 PM
      54

      nvm this post..sry

    55. BobbyBangin
      08-27-2014
      08:32 PM
      55

      Originally Posted by LoboGuara
      I disagree because is not that simple.

      This is not only a matter of moral and different points of view (we can relativize anything using some creativity), but it is also a matter of respect.

      Im not saying that leaking stuff is right or wrong, just that there are more variables to be analyzed than simple morals and fame (cause/effect, trust, demotivating devs etc).
      I wasn't speaking about leaks, per se. I was mostly referring to Devs work in the scene in general and how end users perceive it and how they judge the work/ethics/motives of the devs. In itself, I don't agree with leaking. I have had and still have info that I have not leaked, because I was trusted with it and was asked not to leak it. I have never posted anything that I was asked not to. The only things I have posted were things that I was specifically asked to post, that would have been posted anyways, even if I had not been the one posting them. No dev or tester can say that I have ever broke my word or trust on that matter. On the most recent leak, I had even advised against leaking it. I still don't think he did it for fame or attention. I believe he thought he was doing the right thing, no matter how ill conceived the notion was. In the end, I don't think anything that has happened should be enough to discourage @Joonie86 or anybody else from proceeding with their work. I would only advice that they keep it in secrecy, if they don't want anybody to know about it.

    56. Joonie86
      08-27-2014
      11:56 PM
      56

      [MENTION=138171]haz367[/MENTION] [MENTION=224021]DEFAULTDNB[/MENTION] [MENTION=200136]BobbyBangin[/MENTION]

      Thanks for your valuable replies. I really appreciate them.

      Yes my English sucks because I'm not a native speaker, I started going back to school after 5 years of break, and this semester I am taking two language classes which are C# and English

      Hopefully I can polish my writing skills on both two languages that help my scene career

      I'm NOT discouraged at all, It was literally just a question. I have been helped by many scene developers lately and learned a lot from them and I feel grateful.

      [MENTION=138171]haz367[/MENTION]

      Thanks for being honest about your opinion, the reason why I stated all the issues of that leak was because I've been a huge fan of REBUG and [MENTION=121598]haxxxen[/MENTION] and I have been doubting about its legitimacy whether it was made by REBUG or someone as good as them, because of those unacceptable mistakes as a huge fan of REBUG. I have heard of stories behind briefly, and the moment I thought it was for real and made by REBUG. I accept the most part was done by them, but IMHO, this is NOT so REBUG. Someone must have gotten the source of REBUG toolbox and used [MENTION=272323]Smhabib[/MENTION] 's cobra source code of 4.53 Cobra and roughly fixed and applied them in to REBUG. [Nothing is confirmed but this is JUST my speculation.

      I love your opinion about MFWBuilder, you made a perfect point about what is really happening on these days with those PUP builders. That is SO true, and that was why I have never even bothered to think about releasing any firmware releases, I have a flasher and it is very handy, I like messing with my PS3, I don't even know how many bricks I have had during past couple months.

      Anyways I will keep up with my work you guys are all right true devs just stick with themselves do not really care what people say [I'm not saying I'm a dev but I think at least I don't have to worry too much about my work because of possible dramas]

      I like reading stuff on PS3Devwiki, learning cool things, helping people, and this is just my babystep for next gen scene, hopefully soon to be WiiU scene .

    57. hellsing9
      08-29-2014
      01:38 AM
      57

      Originally Posted by Joonie86
      [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION] [MENTION=138171]haz367[/MENTION] [MENTION=200136]BobbyBangin[/MENTION] [MENTION=224021]DEFAULTDNB[/MENTION]

      I kindly want to ask opinions about the differences between Custom FirmWare and Modified FirmWare,

      if MFWBuilder was being used then is it called MFW? Is that what you guys have been discussing?

      So, If I manually patch with hexeditor CoreOS's LV0 including 4 ldrs and other self/sprx files inside dev_flash and manually repack those dev_flash pkgs and coreos pkgs by using

      Puppack, unpkg,pkg,self rebuilder ISO rebuilder made by senior developers, does that still count as MFW because I have used their tool but not my own?.


      within 3 mins, so no more true CFW?


      I strongly believe that if anyone uses other people tools in order to do something, only thing has to do is thanks that tool creator and give him credit to those seniors for using them.

      So the analogy goes:

      If i work with other people tools and not mine, i will thank that person for let me use them because probably without them i couldn't fix/create or whatever you may think without them.
      That's why in many releases so far we see people thanking other users.

      Even if you, me or anyone have the knowledge and not the means to achieve something.
      It's about sharing after all, not if it's a MFW or CFW.

      Even more, you spent your time to make something with the help of other users resources. Is more than enough to give you credit for that.




      All the keys stayed the same since 4.21 and all the work has been studied and finished and those are all up in PS3DEVWiki, and now we have working MFWBuilder that can make any versions of MFW.
      Sounds perfect that MFWbuilder.




      My friend [MENTION=180398]darkjiros[/MENTION] made me 4.65CFW on the day SONY released their OFW 4.65 Update then I immediately started working on payloads and it was done very quick because system call table was the same as OFW 4.60 just like any other optional update [like 4.40-4.41].

      I am not really interested in releasing newer firmware or gaining fame because it is just the same thing repeated over and over and nothing interesting but the different version number.

      unless there is like anti-ode fix made by [MENTION=272323]Smhabib[/MENTION] or the new project regarding full fix of Cinavia.
      You don't need to explain if you are not releasing something, that's my personal opinion about that.
      It's a hobby and anybody should take that as it is, when hobby turns sour as working. Then you should *quit your job* and do something else.
      When it's not fun anymore and you can escape from that situation, no need to explain anybody why you are doing what you are doing.


      Plus I do NOT like any drama at all, I just do thing as hobby and keep learning new things everyday, learning experience is very fun

      Finally, my recent work was possible because of all the hard dedications/contributions of TRUE senior developers, and I am currently looking for all possible credibility of them.

      PS3HAX is where I started my ps3 scene life, and I have learned a lot but also watched a lot of drama, and I am scared to voice my concerns sometimes just because of that.

      I would like to help people as much as I could if my time allows and hopefully PS4HAX will be much better world and expect to see the return of true senior developers
      Amen to learning experience Joonie but.. Drama is part of life and is part of even larger communities that this one and even more larger than all scene site combined.
      Sure, you can keep the drama content low, but is still drama.
      Is part of life, in the net and outside of it.

      The net works as a catalyst for all drama related, so any site saying and stating that they are *Drama free* that's a BIG lie.
      When you have a clash of different opinions and points of view, is pretty obvious that you will find yourself caught in that same web.

      It's not something that i personally like, but i learned to deal with it or just ignore it.

      You don't have to be afraid about voice your concerns, you are part of this community too. No one has to be afraid of that.
      I voiced many times mine having this *badge* as well as not having it too, Also i did the same in many other online communities.
      Inducing fear or feeling afraid of, will lead to not speak your mind and that's something that's not cool to happen.
      Many times fear, held people to make something, to make a difference that could change certain events.

      But also i always follow this simple rule = “I don't think..." then you shouldn't talk, said the Hatter.”

      I hope the same too and i hope for your own, that you never lose sight of that power that drives you to work even harder.
      When that happens, there's not much one can do. Unless, rest for a while or do something else.

      Glad to have you here.

      Regards.