• Featured, General, Uncategorized , 07.11.2014

    I saw many people upgrading their rigs with some expensive hardware parts, such as = VGA (Video cards) and PSU’s to keep with those electricity consuming bastards. Same goes with CPU’s specially AMD FX which those consume 125w to 200w with the Vishera 9320 and memory sticks up to 16gb or even more.

    Personally i did an upgrade but only CPU and a VGA, thus from my understanding if you are preparing for a *World war 3 of gaming* you don’t need that much. Specially when game catalogue is more poor than Vita.

    So let’s dissect some several logical reasons why PC gamers are expending huge bucks on their gaming rigs and why some just simple decided to switch to next-gen consoles.

    PC gaming:

    This year was and still is the most scarce one in gaming material, 2 *titans* appear with their new products = *next-gen* and they made virtual revolution.
    As a PC gamer more than a console one, i felt that i was falling behind with my almost 3 years old hardware. So i thought to myself and decided to upgrade what i could and leave the rest for a near future.
    When i started to make some *numbers*, suddenly realized that several people who are currently following that wagon of being a “marketing whore”, decided to bet even higher not in changing several parts for upgrade but build something new. Funny fact, that building a high-end PC for gaming purposes is way too expensive and for that price you could get a PS4 or Xbox-One or both.

    Then you have a constant *comments war* on several internet boards and specially youtube. Will add too Gamespot with their biased *videos* showing how a game runs on PC/PS4/Xbox-one.
    No brainer there, that war is on and more alive than ever. While many may or many not notice that we don’t have enough material to use with such high-end rigs.
    Forgot to mention that Dead Rising 3, runs like shi@! and has more issues than GTA 4 when got release for PC that need almost 15 patches to get it right.

    PC gaming community is stuck and depending too much from what PS4/Xbox-one could release. You will see many PC games such as: Outlast, Dying light and so on getting released on next-gen consoles. While Microsoft with Xbox-one only decided to *let go* Ryse of Rome and Dead Rising 3.
    In some point feels like a *condescending marketing strategy* from big companies, like Sony and MS.
    They managed to reach with new hardware a similar performance of some high-end PC gaming rig and that set off another *f-bomb* between fanboys.

    War of comments, just plant a seed and watch it grow:

    I got tired of watching a fu@$@!$ youtube video and see a huge amount of comments about random guys and girls showing their specs and saying that Next-gen console can’t reach not even close a High-end pc gaming. In every single community happens the same, it’s all about FPS and 1080p and 720p and so on.
    If you observe instead of just *look* you probably will notice why so much interaction between users, fighting over nothing and saying *who will emerge victorious*.

    Due to lack of gaming content, they just let those fanboys battle to death until they have no *ping* anymore. More they talk, more interaction, more money for each site and so on.
    MS and Sony already did they part while joking around about their console specs and what you can do with them. Adding more wood to the fire.
    But take your time and check how many games you have on your steam account today and how many you can pre-order to justify expending big amount of money on a high-end PC gaming rig.
    Just to play terraria?, make no mistake i love that game but come on..

    Even South Park made their part also with several chapters about *Console wars* where Prince Kenny wanted a PS4 while Cartman an Xbox-One.
    So the idea from the beginning was to unleash that virtual war between console users and PC gamers and guess what?, so far so good. It’s working perfect.

    Next-gen consoles:

    I tried both and both work as expected. Played several games on both consoles and noticed as many of you probably nothing *jaw-dropping*, but this last Call of Duty on PS4. Really showed me something that i didn’t experienced before = A new kind of MOCAP (motion capture) that got me hyped for several hours.
    I’m not a COD fan but lured me to play and play even more to understand the argument behind that game, even if it’s another *generic FPS*.

    Also tried Shadow of Mordor and i got the same feeling: “Why the hell many consumers chose to build some high-end PC gaming rig?”. When you have the same or *best optimized* game on a console for a lower price.
    Many got tempted and decided to switch sides. I don’t blame them, PC hardware is NOT cheap specially when you live in a *galaxy far far away* and a next-console specially PS4 is more affordable than a high-end build.

    So let’s go a little further into this theory of mine:

    I could say that TODAY, next-gen consoles are at the same level of a High-end gaming PC build. I don’t know what will happen in with gaming in general, but one thing for sure gaming constantly keeps changing and evolving and even sometimes trying to go back to those roots that generate certain nostalgia on certain consumers.
    Maybe that’s one of many reasons that we see so many *indie games* with a retro touch in them. Cheap and addictive as *gambling*, prices are more than ok and those offers are tempting enough.

    Both being at the same level with current gaming content makes you wonder how much next-gen console *life-span* expanded or just shortened or for how many years will last.
    We are talking about new hardware on this next-gen consoles focused 90% on gaming and the rest on social-media networking.

    So we could say too, that both consoles have their own networks *facebook/twitter-ish* and their primary goal is to share everything you play when you want to.
    Select button got removed from PS4 and Xbox-One controllers to add *Share* button to them.

    Indeed that hive mind of that “PC Master race” is a lie but a gullible enough to keep the consumer hyped enough to keep buying and buying more.
    Also is pretty obvious that a PC is way too different from a gaming console, but this year that line appeared and maybe some didn’t noticed that.

    Console = Entertaining system, just buy and download and ready to play and share with your friends.
    PC = Work, editing videos and lastly gaming.

    Thing is Sony as Microsoft knew that they could go head to head with current hardware for PC in the market. Also they knew that for those prices you could get your PC gaming build AND a console or if you are short with your money. Just buy a PS4 or Xbox-One and you can play to everything avoiding that way expending fortunes on your PC build to make it a fuc@!%$ beast.
    And if you go deeper = *Franchises*. Did you see Metal gear Ground Zeroes on PC?, after more than 7 months of being released on multiple consoles?.

    Last words:

    Sony and Microsoft, accomplished to *label* a 2007 hardware as useless. That’s why you don’t see so many multi-platform releases anymore. For example: AC/UNITY only next-gen and PC. While you have AC:ROGUE for PS3 and Xbox360.
    They managed to make believe that a 2007 hardware CAN’T handle another *The last of Us* and people believe in it. I’m not questioning what you do with your money, just asking myself and for those who will probably read this: Why?.

    They also accomplished to make a difference and a new breed of console gamers, where social-networking is the main *forte*.
    Plus they made those *hard-headed* consumers to doubt if to upgrade their gaming build or just buy a next-gen console.

    Last and not less important, PC master race if you read what i wrote above carefully above. It’s a nice lie, executed perfectly just to lure and plant more doubts on average consumers and those loyals ones too.
    Kinda obvious that PC gaming will continue no matter what, but this *raw* power of both next-gen showed to the world, was a clear message that you don’t need to invest extra cash in a high-end PC to be the coolest kid on the block or just have fun for a while after a heavy day of work.

    No need to deal with several patches for games, PS4 or Xbox-one will do it for you and sometimes without even asking.
    No need to deal to wait for your local store to have that game you were searching for, pay for PS plus and you have it *direct-to-drive*.
    No more waiting, no need to upgrade, you can change hardrives on both consoles if you want to.

    Too many comfort factors with console gaming, while on PC you have to take care what to upgrade what to downgrade, etc.
    Gaming industry certainly knows how to plan ahead and they’ve done it perfectly, even with almost ZERO gaming content to deliver to end user.

    Next time, think outside of the box for a while and *study* which one you will choose. Either way, PC master race is a lie as next-gen keeps growing in numbers with their products that deliver to the consumer what they need: Just play without too much hassle.

    Regards.

    Hellsing9

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  • 25 Comments

    1. Qraze1
      11-07-2014
      12:39 AM
      1

      Steam machines.........is the future i'm hoping for.

    2. hellsing9
      11-07-2014
      12:41 AM
      2

      Originally Posted by Qraze1
      Steam machines.........is the future i'm hoping for.
      I like the idea, but idk if that *hybrid* will work. Only 100 of them (i think) were created and i didn't see any substantial progress with them.

    3. predprey
      11-07-2014
      12:59 AM
      3

      well.... i agree there's no difference between consoles, but PC definitely has better graphical quality/fluidity than consoles provided you have high end hardware. of course i agree that going the PC route would not be the best bang for your buck, but if you have the disposable income to spare, it can really give a wow factor to your gaming experience. now that youtube allows 60fps, i believe more pple can come to appreciate the difference in fps. there seems to be a trend now for console exclusives being ported to PC i.e. Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid V, although its after a certain period. i'm willing to wait for the port though, for the best experience in exchange for playing later. FFXIII had its graphical options locked though , hoping for mods to solve it.

      TLDR; if you're not particular about graphics/fps PC=PS4=XB1, else PC>(PS4=XB1)

    4. hellsing9
      11-07-2014
      01:20 AM
      4

      Originally Posted by predprey
      well.... i agree there's no difference between consoles, but PC definitely has better graphical quality/fluidity than consoles provided you have high end hardware. of course i agree that going the PC route would not be the best bang for your buck, but if you have the disposable income to spare, it can really give a wow factor to your gaming experience. now that youtube allows 60fps, i believe more pple can come to appreciate the difference in fps. there seems to be a trend now for console exclusives being ported to PC i.e. Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid V, although its after a certain period. i'm willing to wait for the port though, for the best experience in exchange for playing later. FFXIII had its graphical options locked though , hoping for mods to solve it.

      TLDR; if you're not particular about graphics/fps PC=PS4=XB1, else PC>(PS4=XB1)
      True, but i don't follow that *trend* of *maxing out* most of the ports we PC gamers lately we are getting. You used as an example FF XIII, graphics options locked.
      I got tired of waiting for a proper release of many games which consoles had the exclusive.
      But you made a good point there.

    5. fromzero
      11-07-2014
      01:49 AM
      5

      ps4 / xbox one games = $59.99, dragons age will be 69.99 and of course special editions can go up to 200 with most games getting around $100 in dlc added on.

      pc games = heavily discounted via steam and piracy runs rampant 0 day, unlike consoles which take years.

      Pc may have more expensive hardware but you usually spend on hardware once. You spend on games once a month for 5-10 year life span of a console... Pc is cheaper. Just slightly more up front.

      That being said.. I'm a console gamer because of multiplayer, split screen, etc being far more console centric while pc is mostly about the single player experience.

    6. r3l1c
      11-07-2014
      07:37 AM
      6

      I used to be a firm console believer - but then .. Sony took my linux away ... later on .. the game became clones of other games ... the eyecandy got bettter, whereas game mechanics became much simpler ... the story got weaker .... and the hardware got obsolete. Now's the time of next-gen - - - and i cannot ... so far .. as much as stand it. There are so many games coming out .. and yet so little to grab my attention. These days you can build so much better pc for 500 ... it's not like I have confidence that the new console is using it's own developed and dedicated HW. I'd love to get the ps4 just for the uncharted game and the hell blade .. but yet ... is it worth my money.

      Taking look at how the mobile HW evolves i think I'm going to skip this gen for big HW and big bucks - - - seems like those new gpus like mali t7, adreno series 4, powervr g6, and nvidia k1 will do some serious business .. . how much you ask ? well ... maybe not this generation .. but certainly the next one will be able to play wii games via dolphin so .. for little money .. i get this tiny HW that I can use at home as "retro" gaming ... i can take it anywhere i want .. and it's gonna cost me 50 - 80 euros .... . . .. will do as my home theater PC .. saving electricity ... waiting for good games to be made again

      I don't say that there aren't any ... but looking at those re-cycled ideas and people going bonkers for stupid reasons makes me feel that somehow.... the gamer's breed has degraded .. a lot. So I'll skip a few years maybe ... taking the best out of what I've missed over those years .... hoping for the times to change.

    7. Qraze1
      11-07-2014
      08:42 AM
      7

      if all we had were just n64's, we would still be having fun.

    8. dablakmark8
      11-07-2014
      10:07 AM
      8

      I had about all the consoles/pc's you could ever have from commodore 64 to atari to intertelevison to etc...etc up to pc gaming rigs,I leave this all to my son as a parent there is no time for gaming no more sadly through all my years the pc does have an advantage over consoles,but not by much.Its close though.PC components are not cheap and you cant just pop all the plugs out and head to your friends house with a satchel.its really a fixed position a lonely place(besides the multiplayer and lan parties).oohhh i miss those days,

      I have been to ps3 lan parties which does not have that nerdy feel to it.Anyway its really comes down to sociability.pc=nextgen= fun,this is why we have it,enjoy it while you can cause in a blink of an eye your middle aged..lol
      peace

    9. kumikochan
      11-07-2014
      03:58 PM
      9

      Originally Posted by fromzero
      ps4 / xbox one games = $59.99, dragons age will be 69.99 and of course special editions can go up to 200 with most games getting around $100 in dlc added on.

      pc games = heavily discounted via steam and piracy runs rampant 0 day, unlike consoles which take years.

      Pc may have more expensive hardware but you usually spend on hardware once. You spend on games once a month for 5-10 year life span of a console... Pc is cheaper. Just slightly more up front.

      That being said.. I'm a console gamer because of multiplayer, split screen, etc being far more console centric while pc is mostly about the single player experience.
      I don't know where you live but here in Belgium most games get released at the price of 50 euro, xbox one and ps4 alike and most wii u games get released at 40 euro's here

    10. crazelunatic
      11-07-2014
      05:19 PM
      10

      I have a gtx 980 gfx card in my rig and game in UHD for most modern games with just about every gfx option turned on and ill get anywhere from 20-60 fps (my monitor is UHD and only goes up to 60fps) but then I feel guilty that ive spent a fortune on this card to realize that multi-plats on ps4/xbone run just as smoothly in 1080p/720p w/e p. Don't get me wrong i like my sharp eyecandy but is spending $550 dollars on a gfx card alone really justify the price when you can get "next-gen" consoles for $400 and realize that UHD is more of a gimmick than a real jaw dropper in the gfx department.

      I'd say if you strapped for cash wait until 8K comes out and that will be the leap like what dvd was to vhs. Its true that with steam sales PC software costs significantly less than console software but I feel like what you pay for pc hardware (especially if you want to enjoy games @ the highest level of detail) vs console hw will balance out. Now since there are so many videogames out there (especially in this time period) to choose from for the first time in my life I can say that buying older pc parts (if you can find them) can cost less or about the same as a "next-gen" console which will play older games with incredible visual fidelity (granted you have a tv/monitor to take advantage of that). However, the golden rule is if you want the latest games with the highest resolution and max settings be prepared to pay a pretty penny.

    11. fromzero
      11-07-2014
      06:12 PM
      11

      Originally Posted by kumikochan
      I don't know where you live but here in Belgium most games get released at the price of 50 euro, xbox one and ps4 alike and most wii u games get released at 40 euro's here
      I live in the US. That's why I used the dollar sign. Games have been $59.99 since 128 bit days.

    12. fellfrosch
      11-07-2014
      07:09 PM
      12

      In Australia some triple a console titles retail for $120. Perfect example the lego games retail for $69.95 for console picked them up in a steam sale for $7 a pop...that price difference is ridiculous

    13. kumikochan
      11-07-2014
      08:31 PM
      13

      Originally Posted by fromzero
      I live in the US. That's why I used the dollar sign. Games have been $59.99 since 128 bit days.
      yeah 60 dollars or 55 euro's or so is more or less the same

    14. hellsing9
      11-07-2014
      10:45 PM
      14

      Originally Posted by crazelunatic
      I have a gtx 980 gfx card in my rig and game in UHD for most modern games with just about every gfx option turned on and ill get anywhere from 20-60 fps (my monitor is UHD and only goes up to 60fps) but then I feel guilty that ive spent a fortune on this card to realize that multi-plats on ps4/xbone run just as smoothly in 1080p/720p w/e p. Don't get me wrong i like my sharp eyecandy but is spending $550 dollars on a gfx card alone really justify the price when you can get "next-gen" consoles for $400 and realize that UHD is more of a gimmick than a real jaw dropper in the gfx department.

      I'd say if you strapped for cash wait until 8K comes out and that will be the leap like what dvd was to vhs. Its true that with steam sales PC software costs significantly less than console software but I feel like what you pay for pc hardware (especially if you want to enjoy games @ the highest level of detail) vs console hw will balance out. Now since there are so many videogames out there (especially in this time period) to choose from for the first time in my life I can say that buying older pc parts (if you can find them) can cost less or about the same as a "next-gen" console which will play older games with incredible visual fidelity (granted you have a tv/monitor to take advantage of that). However, the golden rule is if you want the latest games with the highest resolution and max settings be prepared to pay a pretty penny.
      That's another point 980 is not a cheap gaming card, nor those r9 290x. For that price you can get a PS4 at least over here and even save some money.

    15. PhyChris
      11-08-2014
      12:35 AM
      15

      The Golden age of PC gaming is gone. crisis was the last decent PC game released. there are way more gaming options if you use a cheep laptop and gaming console, you'll have all the newest games released 1st on the home consoles plus all the cool indie pc games will run just fine with any laptop made in the last 3 years. you wont have to worry about running crappy PC ports of console games and its a HELL of a lot cheaper
      every year the number of hi-end pc gamers falls, there is a reason for this.

    16. gail.delport.3
      11-08-2014
      02:45 AM
      16

      Hey man I want 2 start pc gaming what pc do I buy pls help =(

    17. Antikbaka
      11-08-2014
      12:37 PM
      17

      Have got ps3/4/vita, wii u and PC. Every time there is a multiplat i get it on PC - it's just way more cheaper. Although there are some exceptions for PS+ games, I play Binding of Isaac on ps4.

    18. Prince Valiant
      11-09-2014
      02:03 PM
      18

      CPUs and GPUs aren't always running at 100% TDP (in a console or PC) and video comparisons are poor at best :P.

    19. hellsing9
      11-10-2014
      05:41 AM
      19

      Originally Posted by Prince Valiant
      CPUs and GPUs aren't always running at 100% TDP (in a console or PC) and video comparisons are poor at best :P.
      Amen to that.

    20. jakslap
      11-10-2014
      08:37 AM
      20

      Another great article by hellsing9.

      "They managed to make believe that a 2007 hardware CANT handle another *The last of Us* and people believe in it. "
      Spot on mate, i felt the exact same thing when i first played uncharted 1 on ps3, that game could have easily been released on ps2 with a lower resolution.
      Call of duty world at war was released on ps2 but cod4 modern warfare wasnt.

      [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION]
      Can write an article discussing and analysing how during ps2 era the games were more detailed for example
      Resident evil 4 was much more detailed and longer then resident evil 5
      Metal gear solid 3 was much more detailed and longer then metal gear solid 4
      Battlefield 2 was much more detailed then battlefield 4
      Like when you compare the ps2 versions of those games compared to their ps3 sequels,
      The ps3 versions feel like a cut down budget version of the game.
      Ps2 games were using dvd 4.7gb compared to 40gb bluray discs.

    21. crazelunatic
      11-11-2014
      08:45 PM
      21

      Another great article by hellsing9.

      "They managed to make believe that a 2007 hardware CAN’T handle another *The last of Us* and people believe in it. "
      Spot on mate, i felt the exact same thing when i first played uncharted 1 on ps3, that game could have easily been released on ps2 with a lower resolution.
      Call of duty world at war was released on ps2 but cod4 modern warfare wasnt.

      @hellsing9
      Can write an article discussing and analysing how during ps2 era the games were more detailed for example
      Resident evil 4 was much more detailed and longer then resident evil 5
      Metal gear solid 3 was much more detailed and longer then metal gear solid 4
      Battlefield 2 was much more detailed then battlefield 4
      Like when you compare the ps2 versions of those games compared to their ps3 sequels,
      The ps3 versions feel like a cut down budget version of the game.
      Ps2 games were using dvd 4.7gb compared to 40gb bluray discs.
      Not quite sure what you mean by ps2 era games being more detailed than ps3 era games but when it comes to gfx leap, the leap from the ps1 era to the ps2 era was substantial. It was big for ps2 to ps3 and not quite so much from ps3 to ps4.

    22. Ret
      11-12-2014
      06:32 AM
      22

      [MENTION=186943]hellsing9[/MENTION], this is bad. Real bad.

      First off,

      Due to lack of gaming content, they just let those fanboys battle to death until they have no *ping* anymore. More they talk, more interaction, more money for each site and so on.
      Isn't that exactly what you're doing right now with this opinion piece? Let's just ignore that bit of hypocrisy, shall we?

      This year was and still is the most scarce one in gaming material, 2 *titans* appear with their new products = *next-gen* and they made virtual revolution.
      Excuse me? What revolution? All the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One was take features that PC gamers have enjoyed for years, added their own minor tweaks and adjustments and acted like it was some brand new, technological advancement in gaming. And you know it's true.

      When i started to make some *numbers*, suddenly realized that several people who are currently following that wagon of being a “marketing whore”, decided to bet even higher not in changing several parts for upgrade but build something new. Funny fact, that building a high-end PC for gaming purposes is way too expensive and for that price you could get a PS4 or Xbox-One or both.
      Nobody forces you to spend $800, $1,000 or $1,500 for anything that you don't want. That's the beauty of PC. You spend what you want and depending on how much you spent is what you get. You do no that luxury with consoles. My GTX 760 runs all the games that I want at the performance levels that I'm comfortable with. How much did it cost? $249.

      Then you have a constant *comments war* on several internet boards and specially youtube. Will add too Gamespot with their biased *videos* showing how a game runs on PC/PS4/Xbox-one.
      Numbers don't lie. Where is the bias? One platform runs the game at 60 FPS and one does not. There is no bias. Those are undeniable facts.

      No brainer there, that war is on and more alive than ever. While many may or many not notice that we don’t have enough material to use with such high-end rigs.
      Forgot to mention that Dead Rising 3, runs like shi@! and has more issues than GTA 4 when got release for PC that need almost 15 patches to get it right.
      Yes, GTA IV was a complete and total disaster on PC. But why are you mentioning GTA IV, a game that came out 6, almost 7 years ago? Is it because games as poorly optimized as GTA IV aren't released as often as you want to make yourself believe?

      Most games run better and look better on PC. Deal with it.

      PC gaming community is stuck and depending too much from what PS4/Xbox-one could release. You will see many PC games such as: Outlast, Dying light and so on getting released on next-gen consoles. While Microsoft with Xbox-one only decided to *let go* Ryse of Rome and Dead Rising 3.
      If PC gamers were stuck on depending on Sony and Microsoft's offerings, wouldn't they be console gamers? You see how you aren't coherent here? PC gamers are dependent on good games and for years that is what we've received -- WITH BENEFITS.

      They managed to reach with new hardware a similar performance of some high-end PC gaming rig and that set off another *f-bomb* between fanboys.

    23. hellsing9
      11-13-2014
      04:51 PM
      23

      [MENTION=384260]Ret[/MENTION] your post(s) got automoderated because there's not one but 2 more posted a day ago (duplicate). That's the reason why you couldn't see it.

    24. crazelunatic
      11-13-2014
      08:19 PM
      24

      Nobody forces you to spend $800, $1,000 or $1,500 for anything that you don't want. That's the beauty of PC. You spend what you want and depending on how much you spent is what you get. You do no that luxury with consoles. My GTX 760 runs all the games that I want at the performance levels that I'm comfortable with. How much did it cost? $249.
      You have to take into consideration that you are already paying for a little more than half of what a console costs by just buying one component that's necessary for the PC to run.

      Yes, GTA IV was a complete and total disaster on PC. But why are you mentioning GTA IV, a game that came out 6, almost 7 years ago? Is it because games as poorly optimized as GTA IV aren't released as often as you want to make yourself believe?

      Most games run better and look better on PC. Deal with it.
      To play the latest games at their highest settings you will need hw that can cost anywhere from 2-3 times the price of what a console can pull off. While its true that with the right HW all games look better on PC IMHO, I strongly believe and for most multi-platform games, developers have a tendency to cut corners and not really deliver on the graphical prowess that the PC version of a game should pull off. Poor optimization is never an excuse on any platform but it happens unfortunately and if a game needs to cut corners graphically to get a steady-framerate on the console or lower settings on the pc version then so be it. When it comes to most multi-platform games that have been coming out for the ps3/360/one/ps4 I feel like the price you pay for building an "ultimate" gaming rig compared to what you get on a console isn't justified by the PC industry.

    25. lebofly
      11-18-2014
      04:39 PM
      25

      Originally Posted by hellsing9
      That's another point 980 is not a cheap gaming card, nor those r9 290x. For that price you can get a PS4 at least over here and even save some money.
      You can still get a card capable of running games at the same level as the PS4 if not better for a cheaper price


      Also hate gaming with controllers, I can't aim with them :C