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B00STER123 · 03-12-2011

This thread is pathetic. Allow me to clarify for you retards out there:

Arguement #1) They don't deserve our money, they knew they were doing something illegal.

- Okay, except they have done nothing illegal. None of them contributed anything to ISOLoading, and modifying the firmware of a device you own is certainly NOT illegal (See the legal precedent set when it was determined that Jailbreaking and iPhone is NOT illegal)

Arguement #2) The PS3 scene is more than just 2 people (i really LOL'd at this one Ray122, thanks for that)

- Tell me, how many people of notable calibre do you think will continue to hack the PS3 if these cases are lost? Are you going to? I assume you didn't join this site to proclaim your love for all the things Sony ALLOW us to do on our PS3's, because that would be stupid. You joined this site for the one reason it exists- Making the most of a system WE paid for. If you have an issue with the personalities of these two, fine, don't donate. But reducing the issue presented by these lawsuits to a matter of "I don't like them I hope they lose lolololol" is pathetic.

Arguement #3) "Breaking through security systems Sony's developed to protect their system from both, any "homebrew" as well as playing copied games is an act against the terms of license you have with them either buying the console or using PSN."

- You clearly aren't a lawyer. Just because the terms of license change when we update and we agree to them, does not make it a LEGAL CONTRACT. There are PLENTY of legal cases which have been shut down because it was deemed the contract was unfair- and illegal in and of itself.
Not to mention this: If I didn't update past 3.15, hell, if I just bought the system and proceeded to crack it without ever using PSN, then I didn't agree to any ToS (since a ToS which is not presented before sale is not legally binding until accepted separately post-sale; similarly to the whole "By looking at this sign you agree to xyz" being completely bull****)
Tell me, in that situation, how does any of that apply?

What it comes down to:
When I buy a system, I am entitled to do what I want with it. Think of it like this. I run a custom linux distro. I crack a game and run it illegally. Does the game dev go after the dude who made the custom distro? Or after the guy who cracked the game? In this instance, sony are going after the guy making the distro.

Now please shut up and leave. You know who you are, 2-3 people in this thread are the living embodiment of everything that was wrong with the PSP scene- unappreciative leeching a**h***s who continuously cause legitimately talented dev's to quit from sheer frustration.

Finally, props to GregoryRasputin for being a very professional mod. You guys probably would have pushed me to banhammer your asses by now out of sheer annoyance. And I'm normally responsible in positions of power.

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B00STER123 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346 Likes: 25 Liked 49 Times in 14 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This thread is pathetic. Allow me to clarify for you retards out there: Arguement #1) They don't deserve our money, they knew they were doing something illegal. - Okay, except they have done nothing illegal. None of them contributed anything to ISOLoading, and modifying the firmware of a device you own is certainly NOT illegal (See the legal precedent set when it was determined that Jailbreaking and iPhone is NOT illegal) Arguement #2) The PS3 scene is more than just 2 people (i really LOL'd at this one Ray122, thanks for that) - Tell me, how many people of notable calibre do you think will continue to hack the PS3 if these cases are lost? Are you going to? I assume you didn't join this site to proclaim your love for all the things Sony ALLOW us to do on our PS3's, because that would be stupid. You joined this site for the one reason it exists- Making the most of a system WE paid for. If you have an issue with the personalities of these two, fine, don't donate. But reducing the issue presented by these lawsuits to a matter of "I don't like them I hope they lose lolololol" is pathetic. Arguement #3) "Breaking through security systems Sony's developed to protect their system from both, any "homebrew" as well as playing copied games is an act against the terms of license you have with them either buying the console or using PSN." - You clearly aren't a lawyer. Just because the terms of license change when we update and we agree to them, does not make it a LEGAL CONTRACT. There are PLENTY of legal cases which have been shut down because it was deemed the contract was unfair- and illegal in and of itself. Not to mention this: If I didn't update past 3.15, hell, if I just bought the system and proceeded to crack it without ever using PSN, then I didn't agree to any ToS (since a ToS which is not presented before sale is not legally binding until accepted separately post-sale; similarly to the whole "By looking at this sign you agree to xyz" being completely bull**) Tell me, in that situation, how does any of that apply? What it comes down to: When I buy a system, I am entitled to do what I want with it. Think of it like this. I run a custom linux distro. I crack a game and run it illegally. Does the game dev go after the dude who made the custom distro? Or after the guy who cracked the game? In this instance, sony are going after the guy making the distro. Now please shut up and leave. You know who you are, 2-3 people in this thread are the living embodiment of everything that was wrong with the PSP scene- unappreciative leeching ah*s who continuously cause legitimately talented dev's to quit from sheer frustration. Finally, props to GregoryRasputin for being a very professional mod. You guys probably would have pushed me to banhammer your asses by now out of sheer annoyance. And I'm normally responsible in positions of power. __________________ Good hacking is like good art. Patience is a neccessity.** Read Me before arguing about the legitimacy of these hacking lawsuits! Last edited by B00STER123; 03-12-2011 at 07:37 AM.