Originally Posted by Nichibotsu
man... give it up ^^ motherboard twisting? unleaded solder has different metals in it not adeguately mixed, so when the solder beads heat the different metals heat in different ways, and expand by different amounts... Causeing the beads to crack. Also, about the FW stuff. You can measure and compare with temperatures. KillerBug have looked into this throughly, with as far as five different thermometers, measuring the temperature in differentt points of the motherboard, like rsx, cell, northbridge, somewhere i don't remember and the incoming air temperature. He then measured the impulses form the pwm fan, as it's not the voltage that matters for pwm fans.
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Give what up? A perfectly good conversation about YLoD? No.
Yes, twisting motherboard. Do you know what a most metallic does when it gets heated up? Exactly, it expands and contracts. Aka "thermal expansion". When a metallic plate (or in this case, a copper plate as a motherboard) gets partially heated (CPU and GPU area), the areas around the CPU and GPU don't heat up as much and obviously won't bend as much as the CPU and GPU areas. Causing the plate to bend and perhaps twist a little. This little, is enough to break the solder contacts underneath the the chips. This is what mostly causes the YLoD. That's what I ment with breaking. It has nothing to do with it being unleaded or not...
Originally Posted by KillerBug
Sony has a bad reputation all over...their TVs have bad pictures and are unreliable...sometimes causing fires. Their stereo systems tend to overheat. Their blank media is worse than generic. Their computers are unreliable and have such poorly made keyboards that there is usually a loose or missing key when you open the box. Their music CDs have been known to come infected with viruses...intentionally. Their customer service is terrible. They can't even make a record player that works...seriously...how hard is it to make a f**king record player???
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Really? I never knew it was that bad... It's either that, or you just hate Sony.
Originally Posted by KillerBug
Somehow Sony got a good reputation with the uninformed consumer in spite of all this...and no matter what they do, it seems that they will keep this reputation. Bestbuy puts Sony TVs next to better TVs with more features, better picture quality, and a lower price...while stories about Sony TVs causing fires are still in the news...and people still buy the Sony.
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Sony delivers good quality stuff as far as I know, and they don't have a good reputation for nothing I guess...
Well, I work in a electronics super store (something like Best Buy or Walmart, I think) in Holland, and we have the newer model TV's sorted make by make. Even worse, the make agents don't allow us to put them next to other brands... Since they are the ones who provide US with the TV's, we have to do what THEY say. Otherwise, no TV's, no profit, no jobs...
Originally Posted by KillerBug
Most people with a dead PS3 don't think it was caused intentionally, or even that it could have been avoided...they just assume they were the unlucky person who had a failed unit...and they can't even go to give the 360 a chance because all of their games and accessories would become useless.
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Good point. People shoulden't be so lazy and should research a little more before thinking stuff like that...
Originally Posted by KillerBug
A note on unleaded solder: Personally I think that it is bad not just from a reliability standpoint, but also from environmental and health standpoints...but it is industry standard. My media server is all RoHS (lead-free solder)...it has been running for almost 6 years without the slightest issue, because it is cooled properly. Keep the solder cool and you don't have the problems...let it get hot and it won't last as long as a meth-head.
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Exactly what I thought. Nothing to do with the unleaded solder...