Originally Posted by nobleskill
GR, my compliment was born of respect for your usual cool head
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LoL...I know you must not be talking about Greg!
Originally Posted by nobleskill
Id really like to not discuss politics with the more passionate and aggressive posters here though.
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That aggression comes from oppression. If you would rather not talk with the oppressed then you will only get the side of the oppressor.
Originally Posted by nobleskill
My reason being is the key points i attempted to make where missed and met with offensive person attacks and conspiracy theories that are on the borderline of just silliness.
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While many of the conspiracies may sound downright silly, a lot of them have hard evidence to support them, they are only theories in the scientific sense (like the theory that gravity exists)
Originally Posted by nobleskill
It wasn't just America who made the treaty, they did however take allot of displaced Jewish refugees that no one wanted, who then worked their asses off and sent money to the family back home,,, a home selected by others surrounded by their ancestral enemies.
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No one forced them to go to Palestine. There were other, better places to go...but they wanted to be in their "Holy Land"...they wanted this and they got it. Once they got it, they wanted more...once they got that, they demanded more, and so on. The fact is that the people of Palestine never agreed to any of this, and their religion does not state that the jewish people should have this land and kill everyone else...so they don't appreciate it.
Originally Posted by nobleskill
Most expected them to not even survive yet alone grow.
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Most didn't expect them to have the full backing of the US military, and absolutely no one expected them to use this backing to steal more territory from Palestine. If anyone had suspected something like this, they would have fought tooth and nail to stop it.
Originally Posted by nobleskill
The complexity of keeping a secret that some claim has been done is illogical at best and that so many different intertwined done by so many is extremely improbable and difficult to take without significant evidence.
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You are right...they have not kept their secrets...anyone who does the slightest bit of research finds not only the things they would prefer to keep secret, but also the evidence.
Originally Posted by nobleskill
Both sides are at fault, no government is perfect, it wasn't just America who mad it it happen and will never be solved by extremest militias or murder en-mass
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From the Buddhist standpoint where it is better to be slaughtered than to hurt your attacker while defending yourself, yes...both sides are wrong. From the viewpoint of any civilization that has not been completely and utterly crushed by attackers, it is justifiable to defend yourself, in which case the Israeli side is wrong.
Originally Posted by nobleskill
This land really has a long history
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There is no question about that...and the jewish people have slaughtered innocent people for this land in the past, according to their own scriptures.
Originally Posted by nobleskill
I mean we are not anti-Semitic here are we?
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Race has nothing to do with this, but since the Semetic people are generally jewish, I can see how you might get confused.
Originally Posted by nobleskill
Comments from our Arab brother above make it sound like there are allot of people there who still hold the ancient prejudices that stem from religious beliefs and holy land ownership thousands of years ago and its worth taking another humans life in the name of a God and yes other religions have done the exact same way in the past but aren't we a little past that sort of behaviour by now
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There are a lot of them...and they are attacking Palestine. And no...they obviously are not past that sort of behavior yet.
Originally Posted by nobleskill
I mean we at the very base either way, god or no god, we need to calm the **** down about some ****... i mean really, just calm the **** down and be realistic about the value of expending so many resources over religious, and petty, fights.
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It would be very nice if people would do exactly that.
Originally Posted by nobleskill
Political discourse is great absent emotions...but i am truly sorry for upsetting or getting anyone offended.. i do however still stand by my beliefs
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Political discourse without emotions is clearly something you yourself are not capable of. You just responded to rational statements that are easily proven with a rant that sounded downright insane. I am not angry, sad, glad, etc right now...but I am a bit stunned that you would explode like this and then wish for emotionless discussion.