Originally Posted by smf
The xbox 360 has encrypted ram & it's seven years old.
If they make ALSR mandatory across all modules including the OS then ROP will be useless too. If the memory is encrypted well then you won't have access to a memory dump to disassemble the code, so you won't even know what code you could jump to.
Nobody knows how to "rock systems like these" as they aren't out yet.
I think it's laughable that people think that someone will magically hack it & stick it to the man, when there is still no 3DS homebrew & DSi homebrew is ...........
I'd expect to see Wii-U native homebrew before the PS4 is hacked.
The 360 was a very well designed console from a security stand point, however I doubt any Sony console will bear resemblance to any of it's security. Also encrypted ram is easily defeated too with proper know how. As to your ASLR argument there are quite a few decent white papers and even public tools to defeat it. My favorite is this one.
As for the Ps4 not being out, it sure is out. Dev-kits shipped months ago. And to your 3ds idea (not sure how a hand held is related but hey) they have flash carts. If someone wanted to program something other than iso loading on 3ds they could. I would also expect to see Wii-U root before the Ps4 since both it's dev-kits and console in general were released way before the Ps4 launch. The main point you should take away from this is unless there is going to be a serious anti tampering mechanism (which i sincerely doubt) these consoles are going to be taken apart and ripped to shreds. That goes for both Ps4 and next gen Xbox. I believe that even with the Ps3 any n00b level person will have a hard time with this as embedded systems as crazy as these have some what of a learning curve. That said I have seen people who have made developments on this scene and I know from other places. Some of these people will make it look easy. It's not like it would be hard for anyone who has access to this hardware to exploit it. What the real question is what should be done with the hacked consoles and how can one keep sanity amongst a scene which is like a pack of wolves.