[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by davidbb Ermm, have we suddenly forgotten that the first "real" hack (Geohot's was not what i would call a full user friendly hack) was a commercial venture designed to make money and play backups and had nothing to do with otherOS whatsoever.

Where do you think that came from? It either came from materials leaked by disgruntled sony staff or from the independent developments by the people trying to bring back OtherOS. You know it did not start from zero as a commercial venture...no businessman would spend R&D funds on trying to break a device that had not been hacked in 4 years unless there was already a good starting point that others did not have.

[davidbb]

Originally Posted by KillerBug Where do you think that came from? It either came from materials leaked by disgruntled sony staff or from the independent developments by the people trying to bring back OtherOS. You know it did not start from zero as a commercial venture...no businessman would spend R&D funds on trying to break a device that had not been hacked in 4 years unless there was already a good starting point that others did not have.

blah,blah,blah. Nobody knows where it initially came from because psjailbreak will not say, however they do claim to have developed it themselves. The fact of the matter is no matter how it came about homebrew and piracy on the ps3 to the masses came about first from a commercial venture not some do good hacker. Had Jailbreaking not came about i have no doubt that geohot's exploit which involved a hardware hack would have been commercialised into a modchip. I can't believe anyone is naive enough to believe piracy is not worth investing money into, the global piracy trade is easily worth as much as the illicit drug trade and worse still large corporations are profiting massively either directly or indirectly from it, including Sony. Anyway I don't want to hijack this thread anymore so i'm going to make my own thread on this issue i think.

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by davidbb I can't believe anyone is naive enough to believe piracy is not worth investing money into, the global piracy trade is easily worth as much as the illicit drug trade and worse still large corporations are profiting massively either directly or indirectly from it, including Sony.

You are correct, Piracy is a massive money maker for criminals, of course the PS Jailbreak creators, knew exactly that their release would open up Piracy on the PS3 in a huge level, they sold their dongle for a huge price, they profited off Piracy as did all the other dongle creators, it is inevitable when a back up method is created, Piracy is going to be rife.

[ibivibiv]

Originally Posted by JPOrtiz831 XBMC??? WHAT!?!?! for ps3 Where was i when this came out?? does it still exist?? ill kill for xbmc for ps3. Does anyone have it. wouldnt that mean mkv support and every video support with free streaming like netflix. or does it suck cuz it doesnt get to use the full power of the ps3.

I tried it out, it ran very poorly for most video that wasn't SD and was very beta at the time if you ask me. It was mostly due to the crippled hardware access that $ony gave the OtherOS. Like many I have come to realize that what I thought was an awesome gift to the hobbyist was nothing more than a tax write off for $ony and they never gave a #@% about me. Worse yet it seems they actually despise me and think I am a criminal for wanting to use Linux and a media player on my PS3. Sad, sad day for the consumer.

[davidbb]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin You are correct, Piracy is a massive money maker for criminals, of course the PS Jailbreak creators, knew exactly that their release would open up Piracy on the PS3 in a huge level, they sold their dongle for a huge price, they profited off Piracy as did all the other dongle creators, it is inevitable when a back up method is created, Piracy is going to be rife.

Never mind the criminals, legit businesses make a fortune from Blank media, dvd burners etc, all of which are essential to piracy.

Sony itself were once sued over the Betamax's ability to make potentially infringing copies, although ultimately the court filed in favour of Sony due to fair use, Geohot should use this as part of his defence, having the ability to infringe on copyright in the betamax case did not necessarily equate to enabling it, the same could be argued for Geohot or anybody else hacking the PS3

[DaDemon]

"If yellow dog linux was endorsed by Sony, Then it would suggest that Sony did infact give us the right to install 3rd party software, I mean what use is an OS if you cant install any software on it, or even update it??
Simple logic would suggest that Sony knows any OS would need to install updates as well as other 3rd party software!"

So by saying that, does that have any legal ramifications if Sony did say that it supported YDL, which in turn would be saying they supported 3rd party. I'm terribly confused about this case it seems pretty logical to me and that's why it's making me lost. It's so simple what GeoHotz did.
Why does Sony gotta be hatin?

[Mystt]

Nor does it say anywhere on the the box that it offers any other os function. I know I was pissed when they took otherOS but for people to say it was an ADVERTISED feature... is stretching it a bit. a few bits in industry conferences does not an advertisement make.

I pretty sure my box has it advertised, I think some did and some didn't. If I feel bored enough I'll check later; personally I sick of Sony dragging this, and I wish the judge would just rule on it. The evidence has been presented, Sony purposely played dodge ball with creation of SCIA or whatever its called. Just let it end already...

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by Mystt I pretty sure my box has it advertised, I think some did and some didn't. If I feel bored enough I'll check later; personally I sick of Sony dragging this, and I wish the judge would just rule on it. The evidence has been presented, Sony purposely played dodge ball with creation of SCIA or whatever its called. Just let it end already...

The judge will rule in Sony' favour I think as this and the other ongoing Sony cases are the only ones I have heard of where one party is legally allowed to actually change who they are whilst the case is ongoing.