[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by underball No. He's claiming if you do own them, and just run backups of them instead of the originals, that isn't piracy. And he's right. But yeah - most people will just download the games and play them. That is Piracy.

I understood that, but he is also saying that it shouldn't be labeled as piracy, when downloading them of the net is considered piracy, there is a huge difference between backing a game up yourself and downloading one of the internet.

If we allowed linking of those files on the forum, we could get into big trouble, because they are illegal.

[Rax909]

This is not a debate topic. Talk about "derailing" a thread.

[underball]

Originally Posted by Rax909 This is not a debate topic. Talk about "derailing" a thread.

It's on topic because these PSN games aren't available anywhere but the PSN - so ultimately if you don't already own these, it's piracy.

and no one is insulting anyone, like you tried to do to me in the other thread "noob".

[calo]

edit ... tony hawks 1 pal working for me, kneaw 3.55 latest multiman. ...edit

anyway

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin I understood that, but he is also saying that it shouldn't be labeled as piracy, when downloading them of the net is considered piracy, there is a huge difference between backing a game up yourself and downloading one of the internet. If we allowed linking of those files on the forum, we could get into big trouble, because they are illegal.

ok lets get this straight, nobody is too post links to warez, torrents or any place to have copyrighted material. you all know that of course. lol my first post. but hey!!!

points are, if you have a original game on disc. i think you can just download it again and play it. its not illegal. well ireland and uk its not, your countries it maybe, im not arguing that. so i think that is the point these people are saying and thats it. now lets get on with the thread. yay

i say the sdk leaked recently lead to the drm being overcame.

[mosstopher]

I'm not commenting on who's right or who's wrong in the piracy debate, but is there any chance you could back your viewpoints up with evidence/links?

You may believe that something logical is true but it doesn't automatically mean it is.

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by mosstopher I'm not commenting on who's right or who's wrong in the piracy debate, but is there any chance you could back your viewpoints up with evidence/links? You may believe that something logical is true but it doesn't automatically mean it is.

There are rules within rules and as usual with legalise they do walk over each other at times, but this quote should make it plain enough me thinks .........

7.Restricted acts
It is an offence to perform any of the following acts without the consent of the owner:

Copy the work.

Rent, lend or issue copies of the work to the public.

Perform, broadcast or show the work in public.

Adapt the work.

EDIT That is UK CopyRight Law, so I cannot confirm other countries lol

[mosstopher]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 There are rules within rules and as usual with legalise they do walk over each other at times, but this quote should make it plain enough me thinks ......... 7.Restricted acts It is an offence to perform any of the following acts without the consent of the owner: Copy the work. Rent, lend or issue copies of the work to the public. Perform, broadcast or show the work in public. Adapt the work. EDIT That is UK CopyRight Law, so I cannot confirm other countries lol

But, as you say, rules within rules and that quote is pretty vague. From my small amount of research around the net it seems it is legal to make a backup copy in the UK but it is illegal to have/use the tools or describe the method to circumvent copy protection to make said backup copy.

Again, this is just my interpretation of what a few websites say and basically: I don't know. Just don't like seeing posts that state categorically that it is legal/illegal to make backups without a reference.

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by mosstopher But, as you say, rules within rules and that quote is pretty vague. From my small amount of research around the net it seems it is legal to make a backup copy in the UK but it is illegal to have/use the tools or describe the method to circumvent copy protection to make said backup copy. Again, this is just my interpretation of what a few websites say and basically: I don't know. Just don't like seeing posts that state categorically that it is legal/illegal to make backups without a reference.

Correct, it IS legal to make a backup of your owned games, films, music etc, but it is NOT legal to share that with anyone else, or download a copy from anyone or anywhere else as that is Not a backup of the original media you own.

It IS a load of pants, but that is the law as it stands lol

EDIT Technically it is illegal to record a program from the TV (even the BBC in Uk when you DO have a TV licence), but they let that pass as it is taken as read that no gain to you nor loss to author/owner will be made from it

[vak]

we don't support piracy, just circumventing the security to do so. seems legit.

[VIRGIN KLM]

Originally Posted by ZOMBIEKILLAH I said this w while back if DLC gets cracked so be it ! We deserve nothing less .Sony screwed us out of allot of money & it is only right we get what we paid for ! This is the best news ,in my book it may be piracy ,but i will only get a friend to get my belongings for me if they appear

Umm i agree but It's a faulty way of thinking.

You are NOT hitting Sony by pirating PSN games, you are hitting developers and publishing companies.
Boycooting their products it's the correct way to do that, which hurts them instantly ALOT.

I -will- pirate the games I want to play and they have a PSN Pass system to hit intentionally both Sony and the developers/publishing companies for allowing such thing being passed so easy with no reaction. If developers tell to Sony, unless they don't require them to use that PSN Pass on their game they won't develop the game for that platform but they will for, let's say XBOX360, Sony will be forced to drop that feature. Something simmilar with what happened with 3DS and the locked savegames to hit the used market, which resulted to people being exagerated with such thing and Nintendo announced almost in days that they are aware that this thing made everyone crazy and they'll drop it.
Also I heard alot of people skipping PSVita's launchdate, if that infact turns out true and even the half of them will turn their backs to PSVita, Sony will face some deadly-serious issues, best case scenario for them is that they will be forced to drop it's price very fast, just like what happened with 3DS.