[Wolfie708]

Personally I have no problem with it as if Sony had not crippled and limited the access to PSN to the latest OFW there would be none of this going on anyways.

[phantom76]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin So i don't own any of these game, if i download them and play them, you are claiming that it isn't illegal ?

Where did you get that idea from?, I never said any such thing.
I stated ITS ILLEGAL TO PLAY OR USE ANY DIGITAL MEDIA IF YOU DONT OWN THE ORIGNALS, I ALSO STATED THAT OWNING A BACKUP OF ANY DIGITAL MEDIA IS PERFECTLY LEGAL PROVIDING YOU OWN THE ORIGINAL.
I ALSO STATED THAT ITS OFFENCE TO LEND ANY DIGITAL MEDIA TO YOUR FRIENDS/FAMILEY, OR RENT THEM OUT.

Please guy's dont take offence, I'm not bashing anyone or trying to cause any trouble in any way what so ever, I'm just trying to enlighten the people that didnt know this, Theres lots of misinformation flying about and I thought that this topic could benefit from this info.

I STATE AGAIN, PLEASE DOUBLE AND TRIPLE CHECK THE LAWS IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY, ITS A GOOD IDEA TO CHECK WHAT I'VE STAED TOO, IN FACT I THINK ITS A GOOD IDEA TO DOUBLE CHECK ANY INFO TO ANY TOPIC IF YOUR UNSURE ABOUT ANYTHING.

I'M NOT ASKING ANYONE TO TAKE MY WORD ON SAID TOPIC, I'M SAYING CHECK IT OUT FOR YOUR SELFS.

Many thanks :-)

[aries2k]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 Personally I have no problem with it as if Sony had not crippled and limited the access to PSN to the latest OFW there would be none of this going on anyways.

exactly.
I would love to buy some PSN games but since I can´t get on PSN without the latest FW........

[Benzonia]

Originally Posted by mosstopher But, as you say, rules within rules and that quote is pretty vague. From my small amount of research around the net it seems it is legal to make a backup copy in the UK but it is illegal to have/use the tools or describe the method to circumvent copy protection to make said backup copy. Again, this is just my interpretation of what a few websites say and basically: I don't know. Just don't like seeing posts that state categorically that it is legal/illegal to make backups without a reference.

If you're looking for US citations, you could go directly to the federal source at 17 USC 107: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107

The doctrine of fair use is well-established within copyright law, and while there hasn't yet been a good case bringing video games within those protections, there soon will be.

[ATHEiST]

Originally Posted by EmBoLa.be Duplex are alsow the crew that brings new games thru file hosting sites and torrents, but that's just piracy.

Wrong.

DUPLEX are a warez scene group. They upload their releases directly and only to private scene FTP servers. They have nothing to do with file-sharing and torrents sites. Every scene release you see on a torrent site etc is leaked from private FTP source.

[phantom76]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 Like I tried to point out before, you are missing the point that these would Not be your copies that you download. Add to that the fact that someone has to upload them to the public (who may or may not have the original) and it is just about the most direct and blatant act of Piracy possible. The way around it is to declare that you have an original disk, but even then it is Piracy as nowhere in Sonys' TOS (Or UK CopyRight Laws) does it allow for you to share a legal BACKUP with anyone else

It doesnt matter if you made the copy your self or if you downloaded it, AS LONG AS YOU OWN THE ORIGINAL. Show me any UK legal document thats clearly states its illegal to download a copy even if you own the original?, How you make or obtain your legit copy is up to you, However, It is illegal to download if you dont own the original.
Oh and if I uploaded a copy to a storage site for my own use, But someone located it and downloaded it without owning the original then it is them that is breaking the law and not the person who uploaded it, UNLESS IT CAN BE PROVEN THAT THE PERSON WHO UPLOADED UPLOADED IT FOR PIRACY USE.
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Originally Posted by Wolfie708 Me thinks a lot of peeps are getting confused with the difference in a Backup and a Copy

I think you are trying to mislead people.
Maybe you should explain to us what the difference is between a backup and a copy?.
As far as I know, A backup is a copy! what else would it be??
So how do you make a backup without copying it??
To make a backup of digital media means to copy it.
Backup means to make a copy, Check out the definition. LMAO LOL

[Atrion]

aside from all the piracy talk, is there any way that this method they used to get these games to work that could be used to make 3.6+ Games Playable on CFW?

Would this have anything to do with the methos mentioned that the JFW DH once out may be able to play 3.6+ games without the keys?

[mosstopher]

Originally Posted by Benzonia If you're looking for US citations, you could go directly to the federal source at 17 USC 107: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 The doctrine of fair use is well-established within copyright law, and while there hasn't yet been a good case bringing video games within those protections, there soon will be.

Thanks but I'm in the UK.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Fair use is completely unrelated isn't it? As stated, I know next to nothing about copyright law so apologies if I'm wrong and I'm not looking to ask obnoxious questions just for the sake of it, genuinely interested but unable to make sense of even basic legalese.

[blackmath]

Who cares? Do what you got to do and shut up about it. No one cares if you own the game or not. People have been talking circles arond this &$@?! for too many years. It's the same arguments over and over and over again. Back and forth. This is a major scene development. Leave it at that. No need to dissect it to the point of nausea.

You do you. Leave everyone else out of it.

2 cents

[phantom76]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin I understood that, but he is also saying that it shouldn't be labeled as piracy, when downloading them of the net is considered piracy, there is a huge difference between backing a game up yourself and downloading one of the internet. If we allowed linking of those files on the forum, we could get into big trouble, because they are illegal.

Mate I 100% agree with you in regards to your reasons for not linking to the files, I ACTUALLY THINK IT MAKES ALOT OF SENSE, THE SITE COULD GO DOWN OVER SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND NONE OF US WANT THAT TO HAPPEN, But I have to strongly to disagree with what you said about downloading backups is piracy, Its only piracy for the people downloading and using them when they dont own the originals.
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Originally Posted by Rax909 This is not a debate topic. Talk about "derailing" a thread.

Dude its not derailing anything, Thats what this topic is all about.
What would you like people to talk about?, Or would you like a topic full or thank you's or flamming?, Your the one thats derailing it by saying what you just said, At least were talking about the topic and not moaning at people.
Oh and yes were talking not moaning *****ing or flamming.
It actually makes a nice change to be able to talk about such things without everyone flamming everyone.
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Originally Posted by calo edit ... tony hawks 1 pal working for me, kneaw 3.55 latest multiman. ...edit anyway ok lets get this straight, nobody is too post links to warez, torrents or any place to have copyrighted material. you all know that of course. lol my first post. but hey!!! points are, if you have a original game on disc. i think you can just download it again and play it. its not illegal. well ireland and uk its not, your countries it maybe, im not arguing that. so i think that is the point these people are saying and thats it. now lets get on with the thread. yay i say the sdk leaked recently lead to the drm being overcame.

I think I read somewhere that the games were for firmwares we already have the keys for, But duplex managed to bypass the activasion.
I could be very very wrong on this though. LOL