[SeanP2500]

no in the sense that it's not enough...look this is going to sound crazy but i am a pacifist and gosh even i must admit for things to change sadly it would take revolution and it appears human revolutions are bloody affairs...this is just a waste...i also dislike how every buzz group wants to take it's cause unions michael moore etc...

[kljash]

Originally Posted by Mr.Goodfrag I think the perception that people are protesting because they aren't rich is a bit off. I was under the impression that the large majority of these people are protesting because the rich pay a lower percentage tax-wise than the common man. In this regard, I completely agree with the protesters. Taxes should be fair, and the system shouldn't be slanted to benefit the absurdly wealthy. I remember when Ronald Reagan said the same things Obama is saying now, and the Republicans cheered him for it; but today Obama is called a Socialist. Sadly, I feel that greed has corrupted our entire political process in the USA, and I'm not sure what we can do to fix it (aside from outright banning money in politics). I support the protests, I'm all for the freedom to demonstrate. I also think the NYPD need to lay off the protesters. I've seen a lot of abuse coming from them, and most of it was not warranted.

Yeah thats part of what i was saying they use their money to buy legislation that helps them save even more money and everyone wins except us 99%

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by Mr.Goodfrag I also think the NYPD need to lay off the protesters. I've seen a lot of abuse coming from them, and most of it was not warranted.

lol you call that abuse, try being Black in 60's America, or a Catholic in Ireland between the 60's and 90's, shootings/beatings, lynchings/etc, by the police and army, now that was abuse, what is happening in New York isn't really abuse, they are maybe being a bit heavy handed, but i wouldn't consider it abuse.


Not to forget, Syria, Libya, Egypt and other countries, where the police shoot or beat the crap out of you with huge thick canes, now that is abuse.

These spoiled children in US don't know what abuse is.

[kljash]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin lol you call that abuse, try being Black in 60's America, or a Catholic in Ireland between the 60's and 90's, shootings/beatings, lynchings/etc, by the police and army, now that was abuse, what is happening in New York isn't really abuse, they are maybe being a bit heavy handed, but i wouldn't consider it abuse. Not to forget, Syria, Libya, Egypt and other countries, where the police shoot or beat the crap out of you with huge thick canes, now that is abuse. These spoiled children in US don't know what abuse is.

i agree with you in that those were/are different in terms of severity but are you saying that it's only abuse if you take it that far. i still think they are abusing there power in most cases.

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by kljash i agree with you in that those were/are defiantly different in terms of severity but are you saying that it's only abuse if you take it that far. i still think they are abusing there power in most cases.

I would say, if they were taking the protesters and beating the crap out of them, that they would be abusing, but arresting someone for protesting, is more heavy handed tactics, than abuse.

Perhaps that's what these kids need, is a good beating by a police officer, to understand what abuse is, or we could have the army brought in and they can star shooting at them, now that would be abuse.

[kljash]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin I would say, if they were taking the protesters and beating the crap out of them, that they would be abusing, but arresting someone for protesting, is more heavy handed tactics, than abuse. Perhaps that's what these kids need, is a good beating by a police officer, to understand what abuse is, or we could have the army brought in and they can star shooting at them, now that would be abuse.

i agree that most kids need to be beaten to realize just how good they have it here maybe travel to another country to see that we take for granted most things other people don't have, but they are protesting for equal representation in how things are run, and they have a right to do that. So i guess my take on the police issues is that even though all they are doing is arresting people doesn't mean they should or have a right to

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by kljash but they are protesting for equal representation in how things are run,

They are protesting, because they are spoiled little children, who aren't getting their own way, that their parents so often give them.

Libya - Protesting for freedom
Egypt - Protesting for freedom
Syria - Protesting for freedom
US - Protesting over school fees...........

[kljash]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin They are protesting, because they are spoiled little children, who aren't getting their own way, that their parents so often give them. Libya - Protesting for freedom Egypt - Protesting for freedom Syria - Protesting for freedom US - Protesting over school fees...........

sure most of people there are just whining without cause, but the real root of the protests is to stop big corporations from buying immunity to laws that would hurt them, and there is not a lot of people that know this is going on because nobody wants to cover it because they are owned by the same corporations that are the problem. just because we are not fighting for freedom doesn't mean what we are doing is meaningless or unnecessary we already fought for our freedom now we are fighting to better it.

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by kljash but the real root of the protests is to stop big corporations from buying immunity to laws that would hurt them,

Oh you mean, these corporations are buying immunity to laws, which will result in these corporations being lawfully allowed to go out an shoot, or beat American citizens ?

If not, then these protests against corporations, is 50/60 years to late.

[OoZic]

Governments and bankers and industrialists.... all legal mafia

Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

All Dons getting together once a year

On topic: The whole bonus culture sucks like I said before in another topic. Take bank employees, they sold us (nah, not me ) all kind of crap we actually can't pay for and we all still bleed for it.... all for their stupid bonus. And the next problem is they live thinking they get the bonus every time. If they don't get their bonus they can't pay their bills because they buy all kind of wealth they don't need or deserve.

I understand giving bonuses is good for a company, but it is bad for the customers. Customers get screwed because of the bonus need...
The bonus culture is also a kind of pyramid game. A manager only gets a bonus if the people below him work hard for their bonus. And the person above the manager only gets his bonus if the managers reach their goals and bonus.... and so on and on. In every work layer there is pressure to get that bonus. I almost want to say a bonus is a drug.....

And no, I'm not poor at all, more the opposite (my dad worked very hard for it... with his bare hands, not by sitting on his ass). But I hate to see people work hard for a few euro's/dollars/yen/whatever while the people at the top make the most stupid decisions a little kid wouldn't make. All to get fast money not thinking about other people. FTA