[Alexerer]

So all facts are thesis'?

[pbanj]

facts are based on information you have, easy way to prove the orange thing is to eat one

and annelies like i said to you on irc, go ahead change the fact that my son is dead and cremated in an urn, im still waiting. not all facts can be changes but some can

[iDelete]

^ Amen.

[Annelies]

Originally Posted by pbanj not all facts can be changes but some can

That doesn't make sense because like I said, facts are supposed to be undeniable. Once a fact always a fact.

And I refuse to talk about your son because I see what you're trying to do and it's immature. I and a good amount of other people here don't think facts exist and change. I don't see what the problem is.

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Sorry @pbanj , i reopened as, people are remaining mature about the subject, let us not become Nazi's and close threads because we think they have become "to hot to handle". @AugustSKY , you are forgetting the Christian crusades, thousands of non Christians masacared in the name of the church, you are forgetting the hundreds, if not thousands of females deemed to be witches and burned at the stake by the church.

I think this might be a first...a closed thread re-opened!!!

Originally Posted by Annelies I still say a fact is a widely agreed upon opinion

Science has no facts, only theories. They say the sun is a radioactive fireball...but that is just a theory...if someone comes along and proves them wrong, they will have a new theory.

Originally Posted by lebofly Looks like all the scientists have left this thread

No, I was just sleeping.

Originally Posted by Annelies I think we all can remember the Black Death of Europe which took place between 1348 and 1350. Then, it was a fact that they were being punished by God. Now it's a fact that the rats carried the disease. Then later it will be a fact that ?????. Facts are supposed to be undeniable yet they change. Like opinions.

Actually, they thought that the entire world was being punished because one particular queen had an affair...but it wasn't a fact or even a scientific theory because there wasn't a hint of proof (or even logic) to this...that particular queen never even got the black death; she died of cancer. In reality, the main cause of the black death was lack of bathing...and bathing was almost completely eliminated for 1200 years by the prohibitions against public nudity by the various churches.

[pbanj]

Originally Posted by Annelies That doesn't make sense because like I said, facts are supposed to be undeniable. Once a fact always a fact. And I refuse to talk about your son because I see what you're trying to do and it's immature. I and a good amount of other people here don't think facts exist and change. I don't see what the problem is.

how is it immature im proving my point, not all facts are set in stone a fact is based off info you have and opinion is based on personal beliefs.
if you dont like that then how about this the twin towers are no longer there they were destroyed that is a fact you cant change. another fact i have a penis, only way to change that fact is to cut it off then that fact changes, that is a fact you can change

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by pbanj how is it immature im proving my point, not all facts are set in stone a fact is based off info you have and opinion is based on personal beliefs. if you dont like that then how about this the twin towers are no longer there they were destroyed that is a fact you cant change. another fact i have a penis, only way to change that fact is to cut it off then that fact changes, that is a fact you can change

Anyone who uses the words, "always" or "never" is not a scientist...unless it is in a statement like, "That is not always true" or "never say never".

[Annelies]

Instead of arguing against me and others who agree with me that we're flat out wrong, you should just let us be.

Again, I don't see what the problem is.

I hope my mind never changes for if I were forced to think like the rest of the world and believe in "facts", I don't think I could live here much longer.

[pbanj]

Originally Posted by Annelies Instead of arguing against me and others who agree with me that we're flat out wrong, you should just let us be. Again, I don't see what the problem is.

if your going to make a statement at least stand by it like a man.
the problem is that you make such a vague statement with a horrible way to back it up

good example at least he stands by his opinion

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by Annelies Instead of arguing against me and others who agree with me that we're flat out wrong, you should just let us be. Again, I don't see what the problem is. I hope my mind never changes for if I were forced to think like the rest of the world and believe in "facts", I don't think I could live here much longer.

Again you talk about "facts"...science doesn't have facts, just theories based on observations. If you don't want to believe in the theory that excessive sun exposure leads to an increased chance of cancer, throw away your sunscreen. If you don't want to believe in the theory that people need air to breathe, I have some very nice underwater real estate to sell you.

BTW...science is agnostic. Science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of god. Scientific theories and logic can sometimes discredit the holy books or even the holy men, but science is all just theories...maybe the earth really is only 5000 years old, and dinosaurs died in noah's flood, and noah went to all the islands of the world, dropping off the particular species for those islands...science can't disprove it...but science does make it seem very unlikely.