[luqi]

wtf

make your a effort and :

close this thread and open a new with exact informations please. 90% of this thread ist bullsh ....

[GregoryRasputin]

This is a placer for the junk that has gathered in another front page article...

[KillerBug]

LoL...he really did kinda bring it on himself by replying to the news of the release like he did.

I’d like to say screw leakers, screw the scene, and this is my last contribution to it EVER. It seems I can’t even trust fellow developers to keep my work safe and not leaking it. (Not like any of them would have been able to tell you how all this even works in the first place)

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by KillerBug LoL...he really did kinda bring it on himself by replying to the news of the release like he did.

True, but talk about him doesn't need to spam up a front page article and make it look crap.

[bost7]

Well, after all, i still admire and respecting him and his skills

[VideoX]

Originally Posted by Senaxx So it seems the biggest ****storm is over. Have we decided yet if this (the leaking, and explanation by math) was a good thing or not? :P

It was a good thing, as now the scene is progressing in the proper way and not by the means of breaking NPDMR and give free games to everyone (piracy, the thing that made the PS2 the best selling console of all times).

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Originally Posted by CrystalWolf To be honest Senaxx, its gonna lead to more drama, and bashing at Math. Personally it shouldn't have gotten leaked in the first place. Although the fact still remains that now that we have this in the open what do we do with it, or how can we implement it. Those are the real questions.

If it hadn't got leaked, then where the scene is supposed to be?, stucked?, dead?. This is progress, and progress is always a good thing (at least in matters like hacking consoles, not talking about in the scale of a country).

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Originally Posted by mihakase Because when something attributed to him gets leaked or released, the public notoriously does one of the following: -improper attribution -comes to the conclusion that he's lying when he says something originated from him -lampoon him, even doing so doesn't even make sense, for not being properly forthcoming and not releasing things that will "progress the scene" (a.k.a. enable people to play their warez)

No body attributed this hack to itself. Math is a great developer indeed, but what was put in question is his attitude towards fellow developers and wannabes.

Most of the members of this site know Math's work, and apreciate them all because of all the advantages that were delivered with. It's not right to be a part of a club, community, whatever, bring something new and spectacular but not releasing it to anybody. Not even fellow devs.

Originally Posted by mihakase Explaining each and every bit of the exploit is the only way to make people hopefully understand that it did indeed originate from him, and that *maybe* he wasn't bull****ting every time he's said he has made contributions and people still didn't believe him. There actually is justification for his holier than though **** on your face attitude, but people would rather blame it on him than really try and understand why ("arrogant!", "selfish!", "hoarder!"). The truly ridiculous thing is no matter what this exploit leads to, people will still express hatred to him for very silly reasons.

That is just plain selfishness. If you don't want to share, the don't share. No need to talk about what you have in your pockets.

Originally Posted by mihakase Granted, the way he tends to fan the flames doesn't help. The 'scene' and mathieulh's opposing attitude are just two sides to the same coin.

I agree with you in the way Math tries to fan the flames.

Originally Posted by mihakase Frankly, I'd say clues are more than generous for such an undeserving community. After really taking a good look at all of the **** people spew, that every contributing developer has in one way or another had to face, one can only be astounded that anything gets released at all.

Who are the ungratefull users?, since most exploits and cracks are only useful to someone who can code. I was always sitting, reading and trying to learn what all this peoplea were talking about, never asking them to release a magic almigthy CFW that fries some chicken and made the PS3 go out for a walk with my dog. The things have their time of development, and I'm willing to wait for them without questioning nor flaming. Releases are always a good thing.

Originally Posted by mihakase Please; the knowledge is available if people work for it as every contributing developer has done (there is a literal treasure trove of information at lan.st, a lot of which has gone unacknowledged). Ask questions, read, experiment, and, god forbid, actually *learn*. But to expect **** to be handed to you on a silver platter when others have had to work for it is both selfish and arrogant. Especially when that very knowledge comes from developers who release to a userbase that essentially spits in their face 90% of the time.

Fine with this, but don't forget this. When team fail0verfl0w revealed the way they break the PS3, then the scene "gave it's big jump". What if they didn't release the tools and methods?. I know (as most of us do) that I don't have the skills to perform such achievement, so I wait never asking for things and giving ultimatums. Remember this, who are more important, fellow devs and truly scene members or pirates? (by "pirates" I mean kids that have a computer in front of them and only want to play games for free).

Originally Posted by Annelies If Mathieulh had no plans on releasing this in the first place, I'm glad it got leaked. Just sayin'. Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk

Totaly agree.

Originally Posted by japsander the same could be said for EVERY leak in the scene that we took advantage of. when sony stuff got leaked, who did everyone thank?? the leaker for releasing or sony for making the files?? what about the UC3 eboot? the same principle applies here too so when mathieulhs stuff got leaked, who should get the thanks? the person who gave it or the person who was never going to? this is in no way me bashing him and obviously big respect for all the work he put in but he didnt do this for the scene and he didnt do this for us. its all this "behind closed doors" BS that drives this scenes drama

I give credit where credit is due. Math wrote a nice tutorial on how to use this exploit. That's it, very nice, thank you, good night. But I'm not going to sit on my knees because his stuff got leaked.

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[GregoryRasputin]

^ someone that didn't understand my warning, he is gone for three days.

[RVX]

Am I... Am I looking in the wrong thread? I went to take a look because I wanted to see the other side of the opinions but its hate.

The title does say "The Lets Talk About Our Love For Math Thread" right? Or is that pure sarcasm?

I have mixed feelings about this, yeah maybe mad if he wanted to keep it for himself, but I'd understand he would be pissed if his trust was betrayed and hard work revealed without knowing.

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by RVX Am I... Am I looking in the wrong thread? I went to take a look because I wanted to see the other side of the opinions but its hate. The title does say "The Lets Talk About Our Love For Math Thread" right? Or is that pure sarcasm? I have mixed feelings about this, yeah maybe mad if he wanted to keep it for himself, but I'd understand he would be pissed if his trust was betrayed and hard work revealed without knowing.

Yes it is sarcasm, because the majority of peoples post share in this thread hate Math.

I respect Math quite a bit, i also love this forum and im pi*sed off with people constantly derailing front page articles, because they hate Math, so this thread is all the junk from the metldr front page article.

[Millerbomb]

I think Mathieulh is a pretty cool guy. Eh hordes ps3 exploits and doesn't afraid of anything.